Mathematically Perfected Economy PART 09A - IMF vs MPE

[oldspammer]

Most of the audio radio programs are very slow paced to get to the principles of your system. The introductory parts contain a lot of praise for the system without first explaining it in any detail. Obviously valueless money is money that has no obligation to pay anything to the holder of the money. By obligation to pay, you mean debt, but others mean bank debt upon which interest is always charged, & could also be monetized & used as a fractional reserve commodity, then sold to many others.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer Slow? I just watched 50 minutes of a well known Austrian claiming to explain the nature and purposes of money -- and never even coming close to either. My first program itself takes you further than all the other monetary material I've ever crossed; and if it doesn't explain the issues (quite differently than you summarize them), I'm not sure I could possibly be to blame. To build any idea on the obfuscations of banking, you have to justify a terminal obfuscation. No one ever has.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne People who are piecing together the mysteries of how all this got started indicate that the elite have prolonged their dominance over the uninitiated by twisting & contorting the true origins & intents of the system from its Egyptian / Babylonian origins of thousands of years ago. The tool they use is the body of knowledge & secrets known as international law, & the UCC / admiralty jurisdiction law to keep the system in the private hands of its monopoly owners. Follow the money.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer

Little real piecing together is taking place, if the route has already been traveled by prior research. I would expect that perhaps further details will be discovered. But what does any of this matter when the principles of solution are irrefutable, and already at our feet? Do we profit by *ourselves* obfuscating all this *supposed* history into the equation? What we need to do is exert those irrefutable principles as a re-united people.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne It is all just a giant conspiracy where the few at the top keep all the rest of us down. To do this successfully, they need muscle--goon squads to break some knee caps if anyone should question their scheme. The trouble is that more people are catching on that the system is fundamentally broken, & is doomed to collapse from forces with inside & outside it. The conspiracy is obvious when corruption is uncovered from time to time.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne To make your thesis points for your scheme, you should summarize, & section the information off into a top down organization. Show a current system flaw. Say why it is important not to have this flaw due to some eventual negative outcome. Then give your main couple of policy points that defeat that flaw. Show how your scheme will have mechanisms in it to punish the guilty corruption that will inevitably come in to try to upset your scheme. Money masters now game their own system.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer Even the various sections are spun off as you suggest.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne Reaching lots of people is important, so dumb it down quite a bit. Don't use specialized terms, but instead, refer to historical situations by naming them after their key history instigating people involved & the approximate year of the event. Having nicely coined terms to describe "certain situations" works only when the terms for them are not overused, dominating the discussion of the premise, outcomes, & remedies. Maybe just teach critical thinking for monetary systems.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer "Reaching lots of people is important, so dumb it down quite a bit. Don't use specialized terms, but instead, refer to historical situations by naming them after their key history..."

Many people have some idea for "dumbing down" the message. Not a single instance of a dumbed down explanation however conveys what we have to understand. "Ponzi Scheme" for instance?

You advise not to use "specialized terms" in the same sentence you recommend how to build them.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne Give the driving fundamentals for the UCC law legal fictions in operation today--corporations who are "a person." Show how money seems to flow into places where it gets hoarded so that it cannot be used as productively to prevent bad things from repeating over & over again. Give theories as to what drives the human made catastrophes that are on their way to destroy the uninitiated, innocent, person who is trying to make ends meet, but is blamed as the instigator of all the ills.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer You know, it was my work which introduced the inevitable consequences of interest-bearing debt. You think somehow that because you cite a mess of preposterous assertions that is somehow faster moving. But nothing you write or watched can explain why "interest is always charged, & could also be monetized..." "sold," etc. You're not meant for solution, pal. You're part of the problem. Probably the most vital part, because only a people who are disposed to failure, will.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne Prior to the Bank of England & others similarly purposed, Kings & Governments would coin or tax & spend money into existence without the currency being borrowed into existence & paying interest to the money creators who risked nothing to issue it. Thus, money was intrinsically worth something, could purchase lots of things & was debt & interest free. The King or Government would tax the population to keep inflation to near zero whilst providing good works to society.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne Currency as debt w/interest charged & with a compounding period can be seen by any high school student of math to be a system meant to collapse & require frequent bailing out because such a system has inflation built into it & works in favor of the currency issuers. System runs on money or wealth that was in the jurisdiction prior to it being instituted. It makes zero sense to borrow more to pay off growing interest charges--it's an endless snowballing effect.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne So, others have explained this that prior to the instituting of "central banks" (a Jewish / Liberal / communist idea) governments & kings did not charge interest on currency they issued / spent into existence. Interest or fees was only always charged by Babylonian patterned bankers/merchants. So "interest is always charged"--only by them. So most of the solution is to do away with borrowing from them altogether by taxing loans as income.

[oldspammer]

@mikemontagne I had never heard of you or your work & had long known that borrowing large sums at high interest rates would be a potential downfall for anyone or any organization--those inevitable consequences were also well known & obvious to many others.

I'm not your pal.

I'm critical of you, but obviously your ego is very inflated to the point you think that you can or should decide & pronounce who is worthy of a solution to the corrupt government & monetary system in use today.

[vendetta4v]

@oldspammer Very poor understanding. You need to look past the introduction to understand MPE. At the moment I have to say that you do not understand it nor how our current system is enslaving us.

[oldspammer]

Charlotte Iserbyt states that the Skull and Bones secret society was closely associated with the Bavarian Illuminati Freemasons. George H. W. Bush & his father Prescott were members of Skull and Bones. One or more of the Rothschild family joined the Freemasons a very long time ago.

It is too bad that your efforts were misdirected towards "these people" who would never try to make your system work.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer

Since when were my efforts directed toward "these people"?

[oldspammer]

The puppet leaders who you contacted about your economic scheme were supposedly deeply involved in the Rockefeller sphere, & the New World Order conspiracy to establish one world socialistic government under their control. Charlotte Iserbyt says that the plans for this originate with the ideas of Plato and the plutocracy he writes about. Later the Knights Templar, Freemasons, and 1776 Bavarian Order of the Illuminati joined in. Their plans were leaked when a courier was struck by lightening.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer

*Just one* reason to *record* appeals to purportedly representative government is to accumulate proof of criminal evasion.

[oldspammer]

Video search (Dr. Helen Caldicott: The New Nuclear Danger. Part2of4)

At 2m:13s into it she states that Ronald Reagan probably had an IQ of about 100.

According to Charlotte Iserbyt videos, the Reagan Bush era kept up the US Dept Education's deliberate dumbing down of America policy influenced by the Rockefeller General Education Board & Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Education to bring about a socialistic collectivist society that could be comfortably merged with the USSR.

[mikemontagne]

@oldspammer

Reagan certainly wasn't brilliant. As to the latter theory however, I don't suppose that lack of brilliance would be so propitious as to succeed -- especially above a truly capable public, deserving actual representation (by understanding at least what that comprised). So if there is no public disposition to eradicate "economy" of its criminal destructions of representative government, what chance do we have?

[Independent0bserver]

Usury (at any rate) is the only enemy. The usurer has but one tool – it's everywhere and we willingly use his tool to judge each other. We do this to our own detriment for his benefit alone. Mankind must mature beyond money if he is to achieve anything of value.

"Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talks of the sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile."-WLMK

[mikemontagne]

@Independent0bserver

Usury is the enemy; but not the only enemy, for the present obfuscation likewise launders principal into the possession of mere publishers of the evidence of our promissory obligations to each other -- making solution of the remaining categoric faults of pretended economy impossible. Monetary justice is sustained in mathematically perfected economy -- not in a power of government to issue credit, but in a right of the people to issue unexploited promissory obligations.

[Independent0bserver]

@mikemontagne Srry, meant to say 'biggest' enemy ... however it is the underlying foundation. Congress/Parliament can issue a bond or a bill ... both are based on the credit of the people. The bond fattens the banker (usurer) and the bill benefits the people. In the end ... money is still a judgement. Other than that, yes, better systems than what we have now such as LETS, are available but for the will of the people.

[mikemontagne]

@Independent0bserver

LETS is a plagiarism of my work which does not solve our problems. These systems sprung up everywhere in the wake of my work, using my arguments to claim insulation. But there is no real insulation at all. You're still subject to paying taxes on escalating federal and other public debt. You're still subject to escalation of private debt. LETS solves *nothing* -- and over many years, I've explained that to the authors.

[mikemontagne]

@Independent0bserver

We can't forget then that *any* obfuscation of the currency is inimical; and thus that usury is not the *only* enemy. It is the most destructive to date; but it is our tolerance for obfuscation which made its destruction possible.

[Independent0bserver]

@mikemontagne Notice my correction earlier, from 'only' to 'biggest'. Yes, we have an accord. Usury is the most destructive. 'Tolerance', implies we have a choice for for our labour to serve the ALL or for it to serve SELF. It is when our labour is seen to serve SELF when it is exposed to the usurer. My path is to find the unobvious (choice is hidden) way to serve ALL and disable the usures obfuscation. Neo went to the machine city and surrendered. No more 'copper top'. Peace was achieved.

[mikemontagne]

@Independent0bserver

Sorry, I didn't notice that. I can only get over here every once in a while, and often just respond in a serial progression through the posts.

But yes then, you're right -- it's the most criminal and most destructive. If you're interested in my articulation of these and many further related issues, you might visit the TNS Radio archives at tnsradio dot com/?cat=11

Archives cover the obfuscation of the currency, terminal failure, and proof of singular solution (MPE).

[NowisEvollovetion]

Any system of LIVING IN IGNORANCE (as in that of USURY) MUST contain within it, the circumstances which bring about its inevitable demise/failure.

Any system which is FALSE/UNJUST, MUST in the passing of time, be eventually superseeded/made redundant.

This is the process by which intelligent life, you and me, in time, through experience, become more intelligent.

And is the REAL PURPOSE of this place (the Uni-verse), IN THE CREATING OF UNI-TY.

[mikemontagne]

@NowisEvollovetion

*Very* well said.

[Independent0bserver]

@NowisEvollovetion

I guess the question is: do we wait for the trap to catch us or do we recognize the imminent peril and remove the trap before it slams shut? History repeats itself despite the obvious lessons it has to teach. The system we have now has never been successful. Simple math reveals the design flaw. The easy way is to change now. The hard way is to wait for collapse and pick up the pieces.

[mikemontagne]

@Independent0bserver

Ay, and really, the ultimate point of all this is to demonstrate with certainty that there is a way to resolve all this immediately and even virtually without cost, by immediate adoption of mathematically perfected economy™.