Why did Joseph Smith the first Mormon prophet take women in marriage that were already married to other men? These women continued to live with their first husband and have children with their first husband after they were married to Joseph. I don't see women marrying more than one man permitted by God in the bible.
Romney will never get in the whitehouse. we need a strong man of God, not some milkquetoast Mormon! My gawd, don't ever let it be some damn Mormon. Isn't a muslim bad enough?
@twocentsin6 bahahahaha wow... you obviously don't know your religions man. Define a man of God... It's obviously not you. Slamming people because of their faith... IN GOD!
@twocentsin6 He is not Joseph Smith. Look at Joseph Smith III, Alexander Hale Smith and David Hyrum Smith, then look at Emma and you will realize he cannot be Joseph Smith Jr. I don´t want to see the photo of any man distinct to Jesus that belongs to your faith.
All must be ever learning to know the Lord; but these follow every new notion, yet never seek the truth as it is in Jesus. Like the Egyptian magicians, these were men of corrupt minds, prejudiced against the truth, and found to be without faith. Yet though the spirit of error may be let loose for a time, Satan can deceive the nations and the churches no further, and no longer, than God will permit.
He is not Joseph Smith. Look at Joseph Smith III, Alexander Hale Smith and David Hyrum Smith, then look at Emma and you will realize he cannot be Joseph Smith Jr.
@TheBBQPope All it takes is to brainwash a group of submissive, idiot followers who in turn lure more idiots to great a cult following. The Mormons are probably the most successful cult in history when you consider their numbers...and they've managed to influence state and local governments and now are attempting to reach the oval office if one of these Mormon presidential runner ups win.......scary if they did.
@modestoca25 Not attempting to reach the oval office... will reach the oval office. Heaven help us if a good man of faith, resilience, and decency should get to be the President of the Untied States. The world as we know it might cease to exist.
@onbesnedenberelul You are just a neophyte, that likes to spew out ignorance ....mark my words, one day you will know this man ( Joseph Smith) was a man of God... and a Prophet...
@onbesnedenberelul See if you really read it whether u believe it or not there is nothing in it saying its a cult. so first of all, what u say is bs because the book of mor is literally if u want to say the bible rewritten inthe americas. same story different names and places. so if the writings in the book of mormon are a cult then anyone who reads the bible must be following a cult. plus read the definition of a cult. mormons dont fit into it. fundlmentalist mormons do and even catholics do.
@onbesnedenberelul I love the idea, you automatically assume I'm a Mormon. You must have some hatred that you channel towards Mormons to justify your own shortcomings. The missionaries are around the world, but do they "harrass" when they are asked to stop? No, they don't. And furthermore, to think that a website created by some man, is going to topples what someone is trying to discredit that was also "created by a man" is nothing more than a paradox. And where did these facts come from?
@onbesnedenberelul so i take it you have actually never read the book of mormon and the only stuff you can say is what you pastor has told you so sad. but hey its your call. and to everyone asking where will you be if you die tonight ask your self. plus my faith is in christ. the son of the living god. if i die tonight i will return to him.
MADE UP BY A MAN, A MORTAL MAN. NO AMOUNT OF MAGIC UNDERWEAR WILL CHANGE THAT FACT. I am not vulgar or vile, I am merely a messenger of the rational majority. There is no such thing as "True Religion" That would be a contradiction in terms. OXYMORON if you will.
John Taylor in section 135 remarks that in his opinion Joseph "has done more save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived"
@walterkeathley In answer to your question, yes, mormons do harass others. My family left the mormon church a year and a half ago. They STILL come to our home on the first sunday of every month with their little blue envelope, wanting money. They also will NOT leave my kids alone, still wanting them to go to primary, march in the parade with their ward, go to scouts our activity days, knowing full well we are no longer lds. I call that harassment!
@TheChristiankat. All you need to do is send a letter to your current Bishop indicating you wish to be removed from the records or the church, and you don;t want any further contact from member. That will do it. Missionaires might occassionally know on your door, but members won;t contact you. Once the pilot for this new missionary program is complete, in the US missionaries may altogether stop tracking, or atleast cut back 80%.
Joseph Smith was of Irish descent and his family had no British ancestry until his family went to America. Joseph Smith was also a descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages. This means Joseph Smith had Irish Royal blood.
I am so frustrated at times when I see such comments. I mean really if you don't agree with Mormonism, then live and let live. Who cares? Are Mormons harrassing others this way, I haven't see it ever. It goes to show the level of society's filth, when we see a religion so detested and insulted. I ask, does this happen to another denomination in Christianity, does it happen to Islam, Judaism, or even to Catholicism? No, it doesn't! Why, I don't understand the foolsihness of some people. Enough!
READ ON OR DIE TONIGHT AT10:35 P.M.9 years ago a person named Jerry got dared to sleep in a house that was believed haunted.The next day his friends waited for him out side the house. They had to go inside and search for him.They went through every room except the attic. He wasn't supposed to sleep there.He was Supposed to sleep in the living room. They went into the attic. They saw Jerry's corpse and they just left because they were scared. Later Jerry Ghost Killed ThemPaste This To11 Vi
Maybe...who knows, Looks to have the semi bald spot on his left, after the man was tarred and feathered (then nearly castrated for his lusting after young girls)
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Joseph Smith was a good man. I'm glad he stood up for his beliefs and that he did not waver in the knowledge of truth! He died for what he believed in and was a great man. I cannot wait to shake his hand in Heaven! I want to live better to have that chance when I pass away.
I am a professional sculptor with 17 years of experience, and an active mormon, I am what you would call a well versed portrait sculptor, and I can say that is indeed Joseph Smith Jr. you must take into account that the death mask was probably made after many hours, perhaps even days of his death, tissue in this state tends to become a bit swollen, but more than anything I can see a great man in those eyes
@zkulptor I was with you until the last sentence. Great man? Really ? A thieving, lying, deceitful, polgamist with an underage wife, using money gained by fraud. Nice bloke to get your morals from eh? Have any of you actually read the book of mormon. Itr contains many ascertions that can be disproved beyond doubt. Why would anyone still live their lives by this manipulative nonsense?
@a68rebel i'm a Graphic designer of long standing and one of our tasks is graphic manipulation. Basically ANY picture can match up IF you want it to and because these pics don't, don't read anything else into it... for me.. it isn't Jo Smith Jnr... the bone structure is close but not the same.
@a68rebel nope the painting is not quiet accurate as it was a representation (done by a man) based on the death mask, the mask being take from a corpse, not the same level of accurate forms once a man has been dead for hours or days.... sorry but the picture does match the basic bone structure, width of the nose ,eye position, lips etc.... I don't look for the mask to match the picture, but the overall basic bone structure to do so.. and to me it does...
@zkulptor Remember that his picture looks like it was taken when he was younger. joseph died when he was older. therefor lips nose and other facial features changed or got bigger. (nose and lips). i am convinced. how can other people who seemed to afford to have there picture taken. why wouldn't joseph smith? mormons clearly had money, and a population enough. so to say that not one of those people had a camera is pretty unlikely. (even for the rarity of camera's in those days).
@SteffiReitsch although i strongly disagree with authoratarian theology and what the mormon church (among others) have done to decieve people, i don't wish death on them. i think its a shame people feel this way towards their fellow man. in the end, we are all flawed and imprefect. who knows, maybe your god will punish and kill you?
“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
Strange that those who speak against Mormonism are so vile and vulgar. This, alone, makes me curious to know more. True religion has always been met with persecution by people of such ilk.
@divtid Its not about religion, its about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I've learned what it means to be a Christian, its not about a church, its about knowing the true nature of God. Read your Bible. I left my life long Mormon church and will never look back, I now have truth on my side.
@divtid I would have no problem at all in speaking against mormonism ,as it is nothing short of the work of satan himself ,and anyone who is foolish enough to believe joeseph smith over CHRIST JESUS ,is going to reap what they sow ,fact
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
@itsalltheory Galatians 1-8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed",
@itsalltheory Galatians 5-4 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace".--You believe you earned your place ,I read ,Ephesians 2-8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God , Galatians 2-21"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” ,listen to CHRIST not joe ,
@roxfoot Thank you for your concern. All the same, I'm acutely aware of the Protestant philosophy concerning the doctrine of justification. However, "works" is not an attempt to secure salvation, rather it is an outward expression of our inner faith and subservience to our Lord Christ Jesus. One cannot simply assume salvation by professing faith in the Christ, yet continue to maintain a life contrary to His teaching.
Listen to CHRIST not Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Zwingli, Knox, and list goes on
@itsalltheory CHRIST is my guide ,no other ,brother were you to practice what you preach ,you would not deny that our salvation rests entirely on his death on the cross ,and the idea of joseph improving on what CHRIST told us would be abhorrent to you as it is me ,CHRIST said
@roxfoot Your interpretation is a misrepresentation. When the scripture illustrates "after" it speaks to the believer willing to submit everything of themselves to God. When Nephi spoke of "all we can do," he was not referring to individual perfection on our own, which is impossible in mortality, but rather of being reconciled to Christ by exercising our faith unto repentance and by entering into a covenant with God through baptism to keep his commandments and being faithful to that covenant.
@roxfoot Latter day saints believe we are saved through the atonement of Jesus Christ, him doing for us what we cannot do. I don't understand why people think otherwise. The words of Christ teach all men that they should do good. LDS's also believe that Jesus lives today, with a perfect ressurected body of flesh and bone. We don;t believe his is a spirt. We also believe that Christ stands at the head of his church today, as in the days of old has called prophets & apostles to testify of him.
@itsalltheory my "interpretation" is exactly as your book states it is ,you definition of your own books is contorted ,do i really have to explain to you what you believe ,romans tells us that abraham was considered righteous by his faith ,before he was circumsized ,your book teaches circumscision before righteousness ,
Romans 3
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
@roxfoot Your appeal to semantics may amuse the disgruntled Protestant crowd you continually pander to, but it has little relevance in understanding what Latter-Day Saints profess.
"do i really have to explain to you what you believe" It seems that telling Latter-Day Saints what they really believe is a past-time for those outside our faith.
Shall I now quote a Biblical scripture that's contrary to the verses you've indicated, or shall we continue the hermeneutics game?
@itsalltheory No ,lets look at what is written in the history of the church where joe puts himself over and above CHRIST ,boasting he done more than JESUS (history of the church vol 6 pg 461) weird when John 5-23 tells us“in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.” just as in greek is kaq ,meaning exactly but ,yeah go ahead ,try and prove to me the GOD you claim to believe in contradicts HIMSELF
@roxfoot The story of Abraham and Issac loses all sigficance if God and Jesus Christ are the incomprehensible being. This story is a modle to help us understand the extent of the love our father in heaven has for us. To sacrifice his own son, no greater love. Likewise Jesus willing to submit to the fathers will, and sacrifice his own life for all of us.
@cawadsworth No ,the verse states very clearly that we should worship CHRIST "exactly as the father ,as CHRIST could forgive sins ,how dare joseph smith claim he has more to boast than anyman ,when did joe ,raise the dead ,heal the sick ,forgive sins ,establish the church ,even if he was a prophet ,he would not talk about christ saying that CHRISTS followers ran from him but not from me ,that my friend is blasphemy ,as it was written apostacy never happened ,JOHN 15-16
@cawadsworth Infact ,you and your ignorant friend have heard the word of GOD preached unto you and have chosen to ignore all that has been said ,your decision is made there is no more i can do for you ,were i to try it would bare no fruit ,as you have set your hearts against GOD ,and believe that your church is the key to eternity ,when CHRIST is the only way ,all your traditions will bring you not but swift destruction ,
@roxfoot Christ will be our judge. I would start with coming to know for yourself that Jesus Christ is real. Once you know that, the holy ghost can bare testimony of all things. A testimony begins and ends with Jesus Christ. Who is our advocate with the Father.
@cawadsworth Fool ,nothing i have said, could be read as a view from someone who does not believe CHRIST is real ,the fact i capitalise HIS name when i write should have been a huge clue ,YOyou believe in the mason ,i will believe in the MESSIAH ,
@cawadsworth ,i knew where you were going to go with that ,not a burning in the bossom ,education yes education ,and then when i believed i was filled with the HOLY SPIRIT ,you believe you received the HOLY SPIRIT ,so now you believe ,
interesting that someone who opposes GOD would do exactly the opposite of truth ,like satan GOD said ,"we are to test the spirits if they are of GOD" ,1 john 4-1
without education i would not be able to know anything
@roxfoot Really, so does our uneducated African brother seeking only after his next meal and not a scholastic vocation fall for every lie, or could he possibly equate the Lord's Spirit for himself? Wow roxfoot you must belong to a very exclusive church, from your particular perspective 20-30% of the world is too ignorant to receive the Holy Spirit. Please inform us, does the Holy Spirit require a doctorate, an degree, or possibly just a layman's understanding in order for one to be saved?
moroni 10 -32 ,rid yourself of all unrighteousness
romans 10-3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
as they conflict ,we are forced to choose ,i choose the book that has proved itself accurate 100% ,
not the one plagerized from the bible and the apocrapha ,
your logic would and could rightly be attributed to yourself ,as i have not seen a smidgen of scripture from you ,as all i read are opinions with no bilical referrance ,veiled insults and argument with no basis in scripture ,just childish statements about wearing glasses ,and old prodestant problems ,as though joes seperation from the church is any different at all to those you condem for turning away from the truth of the gospel
@roxfoot Are so-called "old" Protestant problems not relevant in your evaluation of God's truth. Certainly you don't maintain your opinions are held to a higher standard because you spatter them here and there with partial and out of context scripture? In denouncing my "opinions" hopefully you're not holding God responsible for the dribble you present as academic endeavour. Perhaps you may want to re-read Mark 12:31 Love your neighbor as yourself There is no commandment greater than these.”
prodestant problems are no different to mormonism ,they are all because of someone rejecting gospel and others following blindly without doing as commanded ,and testing the spirits if they are of GOD ,by reading the BIBLE sitting up at the night until all hours ,having been up very early ,and will be again the next day ,just so i can show ,share the truth with someone ,who like me has been lied to ......................................,that is love ,
@roxfoot Their problems are much different. As previously noted, Protestants enjoyed the fruits of much cruelty, including enslaving blacks. Protestants were semi-successful in destroying Native Americans under the banner of "Manifest Destiny". Protestant reformers believed Jewish people should be exterminated, as did a did Hitler, who often referenced Martin Luther's anti-Semetic literature. Coincidence that Germany is the birth place of the Reformation/Protestantism? You call this love?
@itsalltheory the term prodestant ment anyone in objection to the vatican ,as such you too are a prodestant ,
however if every church on this planet were corrupt ,it would still not prove mormonism to be true ,no more than asserting that because the crusadews were evil islam is correct ,in fact i have heard that from muslims ,the similarity again rears its ugly head
now back to CHRIST
PHILPPIANS 2 ,
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 3 ,9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
also 2,
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
so joseph saying "he done more" is total blasphemy
@itsalltheoryColossians 1 speaking of CHRIST it reads :16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
including satan ,i am quoting "scripture" ,you "opinions" ,its very evident who believes in the Bible ,and who believes in themself ,you have been lied to ,drowning in you sins ,i am trying to help you ,thats love
by your logic ,expressed in your comment ,anyone who is guilty of evil is not christian ,sorry brother but that would also applie to the mormon chuchs "prophet" ,danites ,mountain meadows ,teenage wives ,blasphemy ,deception ,witchcraft ,fraud ,adding to that what was wrote as was forbidden by GOD
Duter 4,2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you
@itsalltheory "Coincidence that Germany is the birth place of the Reformation/Protestantism? You call this love?
as much a coincidence as the fact that ,that joseph was a 33rd degree mason ,who by their own books engage in ceremonies that are total blasphemy before our LORD ,or that he was an american ,who have invaded iraq and afghanistan ,causing death and misery to millions ,in an illegal war ,
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; ,meaning destroying any teaching that opposes the true gospel of CHRIST ,and it is an act of love
hence my"love" for you is not just my choice , but my obligation as a christian ,
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
@roxfoot Really? So what of the millions of people that have never had access to the Bible, are they doomed by your God? In reply to your second ill-informed comment, I'd imagine you'd have us believe that Protestants had nothing to do with American slavery? Perhaps you should inform historians of your findings. And how bout all them good ole boys scratching up the KKK in defence of Protestantism? Please spare us the self-righteous, supercilious nonsense. Once again you embarrass yourself.
does the Holy Spirit require a doctorate, an degree, or possibly just a layman's understanding in order for one to be saved?
no just reading and obeying scripture ,which is very clear about one GOD
about the cross ,not the garden ,about faith ,not work ,about future false gospels ,about sinners going to hell and staying there for eternity ,about the trinity ,about the prophets been finished after john ,about satan created by CHRIST
@roxfoot It seems you have some difficultly answering questions clearly.
Prophets after John - I thought all was complete in Jesus? Trinity? I searched the scriptures exceedingly and could not find that word or concept. Perhaps you could have Constantine unravel that quandary. Satan created by Christ - have you informed your pastor of this revelation?
@itsalltheory ,you will not find a word about other prophets to come or rejecting black people or nephite or lamenites ,or GOD instucting polygamy ,or temple cerimonies ,or special underware ,or baptism for the dead ,or three heavens ,or many gods ,or men of god using withcraft or boasting about how they are so great as joe did in fact that whole i have done more than any man is like the 5 i wills in isaiah spoken by the spirit of satan
all the prophets were to prophesize of CHRIST ,and HE was the last ,as the bible states clearly ,John was before CHRIST
also Revelation 19 ,10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Yahshua. Worship Yahweh! For the testimony of Yahshua is the spirit of prophecy.”,
CHRIST is GOD ,who created satan ,CHRIST was the ******only******begotten
@itsalltheory "It seems you have some difficultly answering questions clearly."
my answers are very clear and endorsed biblicaly ,saying you do not understand what is written is only an insult to yourself ,but then as a mormon you will have these problems as they have blinkered you to facts and scewed your thought process ,i fear the bible term "strong dilusion" may be applicable ,but if CHRIST can raise the dead ,he can heal you ,just trust HIM not yourself ,I will pray for you ,goodbye
@roxfoot If I may be so bold, Mark 7:6-16 would be a nice touch and perhap's help drive home the point. The Truth shall set them free (but only if they let it)
@roxfoot Here is a question for you. If the true church of Christ was on the earth today with the same organization as it had in formative times. Would such a church be met with much persecution from those claiming to speak in the name of the Lord as in days of old??
@cawadsworth i just did ,your implication that persecution is validation of your religious assertion is confusion ,and applicable to the despicable ,when the prophets ,the disciples ,the apostles ,CHRIST HIMSELF ,would have done exactly as GOD would have us do ,speak out against all religious doctrine that is of satan ,
@roxfoot _ You'd be doing yourself a favour to look inward before utilizing the ignorant pejorative (you're embarrassing yourself). As far as the fruits of your labor are concerned I imagine they produce little in the people you commonly condemn because your Christlike solicitude is severely deficient. You, like many of your Protestant predecessors, would rather eliminate those outside your realm of rectitude than subdue them, yet Christ and His infinite mercy does not operate from that premise.
no ignorant means based on lack of facts ,if i was to see a black person stealing and call them a robber ,its not racist ,i do not wish to eliminate anyone ,but include everyone in the truth ,
that i demonstrated from your book and the bible ,as for needing a degree to be saved ,
the bible tells us to test the spirits if the are of GOD ,as many false prophets have gone out into the world ,trusting yourself without checking facts is not just unbiblical ,but ridiculous
@itsalltheory ,and if you could please explain why theres occult symbolism all over the temple in Utah ,like the pentagram on the eagles gate ,and why anyone would choose a mason over a messiah
@cawadsworthThank you for your kind words. Though it has been amusing debating issues in this venue, I feel that it's time to move on as things have deteriorated leaving roxfoot with little more than anger fuelled ad hominem assaults and the same ole anti arguments that do not merit a response. Let him conclude he has won the war, it should help subdue his ire. I shall take my leave and permit you to inform him the Trinity is not Biblical Let him in on the Constantine quandary would you? Gd Lk
John 2:19-21- Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.See? >>>>>>>Jesus said He would do it.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Now, the Father...
Romans 6:4 -Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
@roxfoot You accuse others of mental gymnastics? At what point did you extrapolate Trinity from those scriptures? 1+1+1 does not = 1 Mental gymnastics - for sure!
@itsalltheory actually ,all 3 claiming to raise people from the dead is proof ,not gymnastics ,however ,what could be called gymnastics is someone claiming to be of GOD and performing the rituals it takes to become a mason ,even the very first one is to blaspheme GOD ,it is interesting though that again ,as allways you introduce conjecture ,with no Bilical confirmation ,brother when the storm comes ,your shelter is in CHRIST not joe ,who contradicts the BIBLE on almost everything
@itsalltheory 1 John 5:7 is not mental gymastics. John 4:24 "God is a Spirit" is not mental gymnastics. Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man" is not mental gymnastics. Calling the two women figures, numbers 2 & 4 on page 41 of the Pearl of Great Price "King Pharaoh" & "Prince of Pharaoh" is mental gymnastics. They are the egyptian godesses Isis & Maat. Any encyclopedia, egyptian book, internet article etc. agree on that point. Figure 1 is not Abraham, he is the egyptian god Osiris.
34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye alove one another; as I have loved you, that ye also blove one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have alove one to another.
@roxfoot Mathew 25: 31¶When the aSon of man shall come in his bglory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all anations: and he shall bseparate them one from another, as a cshepherd divideth his dsheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his aright hand, but the goats on the left.
@cawadsworth brother ,please understand ,that the 1 and a half hours i spent was not becaus i enjoy ripping people ,
it was because i love people
i would not walk by ,as you drown
or would i ,allow someone to steal from you
but joseph will ,
i have but one intent
to show you how inconsistent your techers are with the bible
mountain meadows massacar is worth a look ,but i leave you with this ******************************Galatians 6,7,8,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please read it
@roxfoot Matt 25 continued - 34Then shall the King say unto them on his aright hand, Come, ye bblessed of my Father, cinherit the dkingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an ahungred, and ye bgave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a cstranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye avisited me: I was in bprison, and ye came unto me.
@roxfoot matt 25 continued - 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee asick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have adone it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
@roxfoot matt 25 continued - 41Then shall he say also unto them on the aleft hand, bDepart from me, ye ccursed, into everlasting dfire, eprepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an ahungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
@cawadsworth CHRIST said that its a gift that none may boast ,
2 nephi 25-23 ,
We know that it is by grace that we are saved, ****after**** all we can do."
again with the cart in front of the horse
romans 3
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
@roxfoot matt 25 last one - 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the aleast of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into aeverlasting bpunishment: but the crighteous into dlife eeternal.
@cawadsworth d+c 282 onward joe claimed to be head of the churchd
Colossians 1-18 ,CHRIST is
d+c 114-1 prophecy about david patterson ,one of many that failed
Deuteronomy 18-21,22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
@roxfoot Grace. A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ.
@roxfoot It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means.
@cawadsworth grace is given to those who believe CHRIST is GOD ,not your spirit brother or an equal to satan ,THE ALLMIGHTY ,not a god ,the only GOD ,
Isaiah 45-51
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me
and that polygamy thing have you folks made up you mind yet is it in ,or out this year ,
9 first vision accounts ,
if GOD appeared to me ,i would remeber
lets talk about the virgin birth ,when CHRIST is made to look like horus after isis and osiris get it together
@roxfoot Divine grace is needed by every soul in consequence of the fall of Adam and also because of man’s weaknesses and shortcomings. It is truly the grace of Jesus Christ that makes salvation possible. This principle is expressed in Jesus’ parable of the vine and the branches (John 15:1–11).
@cawadsworth Guess who else had a heavenly mother and heavenly father who spawned so called divinity ,babylon
ALSO ,the book of moron ,sorry mormon ,has plagerized huge amounts of the bible ,i have endless examples ,
and zarahemla is still missing like the coins ,war artifacts ,i mean millions died ,there should be at least an arrow head or a piece of writting somewhere ,
history of the church vol6 ,pg 408-409 ------pure an utter blasphemy
@roxfoot The word coin or coins never appears in the BOM, it speaks of different "measures" the bible however references farthings and mites, coins of 16th century England. Suffice to say that the BoM needs no more explanation than what has been given, and the Bible can simply be said to be suffering from a translator’s efforts to make the coinage familiar to [his] contemporary readers. There seems to be a double standard to all the anti-mormon rhetoric.
@cawadsworth How dare you ,fool ,I have given you scriptures from the BIBLE ,a book you claim to believe in ,I have given you scientific facts , i have quoted the exact verses from your book that conflict with the BIBLE ,
the death of Lazerous
plagerized in the death of lamoni ,eg ,they both stinketh ,believith thou this ,as in alma ,and John
alma the younger and paul
both wicked,persecuted,struck and performed same miracle
@cawadsworth sorry brother ,but symantical nonsense is not an option here ,i can call you many names all pertaining to an actuall view ,that we both would understand be it negative or positive
ALMA 11:4. Now these are the names of the different pieces of their gold, and of their silver, according to their value.
sounds like coins to me
however you can say ,the book of lies dont mention coins ,but we both understand exactly what the writer is describing ,the BIBLE says your a fool ,Prvs 12 -1
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Original Word: καθώς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: kathos
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-oce')
Short Definition: just as, as
Definition: according to the manner in which, in the degree that, just as, as.
@roxfoot Jesus quoted Isaiah more frequently than he quoted any other prophet. Isaiah is also quoted frequently by Peter, John, and Paul in the N.T. Prophets love to quote the prophets who came before them, and the scriptures contain hundreds, if not thousands of examples of earlier scriptures being quoted or expounded upon. The fact that Isaiah is moving, and powerfully prophetic, it makes sense. In fact, some might make the argument that a lack of such practice would be far more suspicious.
@cawadsworth josephet smith prophecy (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).
never happened
Deuteronomy 18 ,22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
referring to valid arguments as rhetoric ,is a conclusion ,not an argument and is only insulting your own intelligence ,no citys ,no tools no weapons ,no huge temples ,not writings ,nothing
@roxfoot Speaking of Isaiah brother 7-14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel...........................................which means GOD among us
@roxfoot Hmm, Isaiah 17:1 is relevant according to your evaluation, seeing that Damascus is hardly a ruinous heap and remains one of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities. Alarmed anyone? As far as evidence is concerned there is not a single substantiated historical or archeological evidence that points to the existence of our Lord, yet we do not flounder in our faith or conviction of His legitimacy. So are the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandments then untrue as well?
damacus is an event of the future end times ,that ****has not***** happened yet
joes "Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted" ***did not*** happen at all
when reading prophecies ,i am very carefull to define a difference in what **has not***,,
and what ***did not*** happen ,so that my point is built on solid fact ,and there is not objecting to facts
What the hell is a death mask? Yuk!
twocentsin6 1 month ago
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What up creep...
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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Why did Joseph Smith the first Mormon prophet take women in marriage that were already married to other men? These women continued to live with their first husband and have children with their first husband after they were married to Joseph. I don't see women marrying more than one man permitted by God in the bible.
twoclose2call 1 month ago
Romney will never get in the whitehouse. we need a strong man of God, not some milkquetoast Mormon! My gawd, don't ever let it be some damn Mormon. Isn't a muslim bad enough?
twocentsin6 2 months ago
@twocentsin6 bahahahaha wow... you obviously don't know your religions man. Define a man of God... It's obviously not you. Slamming people because of their faith... IN GOD!
bballer2324ify 1 month ago
@bballer2324ify Dude, I mean it, that picture is what Joe Smith looks like...IN HELL!
twocentsin6 1 month ago
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@twocentsin6 He is not Joseph Smith. Look at Joseph Smith III, Alexander Hale Smith and David Hyrum Smith, then look at Emma and you will realize he cannot be Joseph Smith Jr. I don´t want to see the photo of any man distinct to Jesus that belongs to your faith.
dorisfenella 2 weeks ago
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All must be ever learning to know the Lord; but these follow every new notion, yet never seek the truth as it is in Jesus. Like the Egyptian magicians, these were men of corrupt minds, prejudiced against the truth, and found to be without faith. Yet though the spirit of error may be let loose for a time, Satan can deceive the nations and the churches no further, and no longer, than God will permit.
twocentsin6 2 months ago
Damn that picture is creepy.
twocentsin6 2 months ago
He is not Joseph Smith. Look at Joseph Smith III, Alexander Hale Smith and David Hyrum Smith, then look at Emma and you will realize he cannot be Joseph Smith Jr.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
@TheBBQPope All it takes is to brainwash a group of submissive, idiot followers who in turn lure more idiots to great a cult following. The Mormons are probably the most successful cult in history when you consider their numbers...and they've managed to influence state and local governments and now are attempting to reach the oval office if one of these Mormon presidential runner ups win.......scary if they did.
modestoca25 3 months ago
@modestoca25 Not attempting to reach the oval office... will reach the oval office. Heaven help us if a good man of faith, resilience, and decency should get to be the President of the Untied States. The world as we know it might cease to exist.
myway43 2 months ago
This is Joseph Smith III not Joseph Smith jr
Woodzulu 4 months ago
he had to be pretty good looking to get all that ass.
superthunderbombhead 4 months ago
hes a reptilian! aaaaahh!
menetjunky 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul What a mouth man!
dorisfenella 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul You are just a neophyte, that likes to spew out ignorance ....mark my words, one day you will know this man ( Joseph Smith) was a man of God... and a Prophet...
zkulptor 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul You are disgusting.
So I don´t care what you think
dorisfenella 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul I am not a Mormon. I am just stating facts.
swissnor 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul See if you really read it whether u believe it or not there is nothing in it saying its a cult. so first of all, what u say is bs because the book of mor is literally if u want to say the bible rewritten inthe americas. same story different names and places. so if the writings in the book of mormon are a cult then anyone who reads the bible must be following a cult. plus read the definition of a cult. mormons dont fit into it. fundlmentalist mormons do and even catholics do.
TheBeattyBoi 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul I love the idea, you automatically assume I'm a Mormon. You must have some hatred that you channel towards Mormons to justify your own shortcomings. The missionaries are around the world, but do they "harrass" when they are asked to stop? No, they don't. And furthermore, to think that a website created by some man, is going to topples what someone is trying to discredit that was also "created by a man" is nothing more than a paradox. And where did these facts come from?
walterkeathley 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul Yes, but I'm not sure what your comment has to do with this video?
a68rebel 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul so i take it you have actually never read the book of mormon and the only stuff you can say is what you pastor has told you so sad. but hey its your call. and to everyone asking where will you be if you die tonight ask your self. plus my faith is in christ. the son of the living god. if i die tonight i will return to him.
TheBeattyBoi 5 months ago
It doesn't matter if it is, we've seen a dead liar before.
jahbulon00 6 months ago
I was praying last night and Joseph Smith appeared before me. He informed me that this is not him.
schlegelt 6 months ago
wow seriously who cares
floogerbomb 6 months ago
MADE UP BY A MAN, A MORTAL MAN. NO AMOUNT OF MAGIC UNDERWEAR WILL CHANGE THAT FACT. I am not vulgar or vile, I am merely a messenger of the rational majority. There is no such thing as "True Religion" That would be a contradiction in terms. OXYMORON if you will.
andysworldoftunes 6 months ago 2
John Taylor in section 135 remarks that in his opinion Joseph "has done more save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived"
cawadsworth 6 months ago
We have already done that. Everyone knows we have done that. That is why I am so irked!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@walterkeathley In answer to your question, yes, mormons do harass others. My family left the mormon church a year and a half ago. They STILL come to our home on the first sunday of every month with their little blue envelope, wanting money. They also will NOT leave my kids alone, still wanting them to go to primary, march in the parade with their ward, go to scouts our activity days, knowing full well we are no longer lds. I call that harassment!
TheChristiankat 7 months ago
@TheChristiankat. All you need to do is send a letter to your current Bishop indicating you wish to be removed from the records or the church, and you don;t want any further contact from member. That will do it. Missionaires might occassionally know on your door, but members won;t contact you. Once the pilot for this new missionary program is complete, in the US missionaries may altogether stop tracking, or atleast cut back 80%.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
Joseph Smith was of Irish descent and his family had no British ancestry until his family went to America. Joseph Smith was also a descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages. This means Joseph Smith had Irish Royal blood.
swissnor 7 months ago
I am so frustrated at times when I see such comments. I mean really if you don't agree with Mormonism, then live and let live. Who cares? Are Mormons harrassing others this way, I haven't see it ever. It goes to show the level of society's filth, when we see a religion so detested and insulted. I ask, does this happen to another denomination in Christianity, does it happen to Islam, Judaism, or even to Catholicism? No, it doesn't! Why, I don't understand the foolsihness of some people. Enough!
walterkeathley 7 months ago
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741pandalover 7 months ago
Maybe...who knows, Looks to have the semi bald spot on his left, after the man was tarred and feathered (then nearly castrated for his lusting after young girls)
BasicInsB4LvingEarth 7 months ago
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
@ov3rl0rd33 A Vampire.... WHA!? Lol. Well, Everyone has their opinions and I'm glad we do. :)
ZalabarVideo 9 months ago
Joseph Smith was a good man. I'm glad he stood up for his beliefs and that he did not waver in the knowledge of truth! He died for what he believed in and was a great man. I cannot wait to shake his hand in Heaven! I want to live better to have that chance when I pass away.
ZalabarVideo 9 months ago
In the newest pictures painted of Joseph, he looks like a Ken doll lol
RetCrayon 10 months ago
This is not him! The vodeo proves that!
emiltonmiranda 10 months ago
@hisgracelordjoe yeah, Bunny Cult rules!! It's the One True Church!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheBunnyist 10 months ago
OMG!
strodogg130 11 months ago
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The day, when the last temple of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, is closed, and sold off; will be a great day, indeed!
blufx1963 11 months ago
I am a professional sculptor with 17 years of experience, and an active mormon, I am what you would call a well versed portrait sculptor, and I can say that is indeed Joseph Smith Jr. you must take into account that the death mask was probably made after many hours, perhaps even days of his death, tissue in this state tends to become a bit swollen, but more than anything I can see a great man in those eyes
zkulptor 1 year ago
@zkulptor I was with you until the last sentence. Great man? Really ? A thieving, lying, deceitful, polgamist with an underage wife, using money gained by fraud. Nice bloke to get your morals from eh? Have any of you actually read the book of mormon. Itr contains many ascertions that can be disproved beyond doubt. Why would anyone still live their lives by this manipulative nonsense?
sids500 10 months ago
All religions are cults.
dj63010 1 year ago
sorry didnt get the video!! what is all this about?? anyone explain me!!!! please!!!
osarsaph 1 year ago
Personally I don't believe that this is a photo of Joseph Smith...
hie2kolobb 1 year ago 3
@hie2kolobb The mouth, the cheekbones and the forehead don´t fit
dorisfenella 9 months ago
@hie2kolobb I agree it does not look enough like all the other paintings, the deathmask, sketches, and so on
Veritatis101 8 months ago
The painting and the death mask match up....but the photograph does not.
a68rebel 1 year ago
@a68rebel i'm a Graphic designer of long standing and one of our tasks is graphic manipulation. Basically ANY picture can match up IF you want it to and because these pics don't, don't read anything else into it... for me.. it isn't Jo Smith Jnr... the bone structure is close but not the same.
54v115 1 year ago
@a68rebel nope the painting is not quiet accurate as it was a representation (done by a man) based on the death mask, the mask being take from a corpse, not the same level of accurate forms once a man has been dead for hours or days.... sorry but the picture does match the basic bone structure, width of the nose ,eye position, lips etc.... I don't look for the mask to match the picture, but the overall basic bone structure to do so.. and to me it does...
zkulptor 1 year ago
@zkulptor Speaking of bone structure, Joseph was know for his very broad shoulders.....the man in the photo has very narrow shoulders.
a68rebel 11 months ago
@zkulptor Remember that his picture looks like it was taken when he was younger. joseph died when he was older. therefor lips nose and other facial features changed or got bigger. (nose and lips). i am convinced. how can other people who seemed to afford to have there picture taken. why wouldn't joseph smith? mormons clearly had money, and a population enough. so to say that not one of those people had a camera is pretty unlikely. (even for the rarity of camera's in those days).
solidenber 10 months ago
@SteffiReitsch although i strongly disagree with authoratarian theology and what the mormon church (among others) have done to decieve people, i don't wish death on them. i think its a shame people feel this way towards their fellow man. in the end, we are all flawed and imprefect. who knows, maybe your god will punish and kill you?
izzemazzy 1 year ago
Joseph Smith is amazing and Jesus is the Christ
thefedexpope 1 year ago
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
imationqwest 1 year ago
Strange that those who speak against Mormonism are so vile and vulgar. This, alone, makes me curious to know more. True religion has always been met with persecution by people of such ilk.
divtid 1 year ago 8
@divtid False religion has been persecuted too. It is not necessarily a mark of quality for a religion to be persecuted.
MrBeerbug 9 months ago
@divtid Its not about religion, its about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I've learned what it means to be a Christian, its not about a church, its about knowing the true nature of God. Read your Bible. I left my life long Mormon church and will never look back, I now have truth on my side.
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@divtid I would have no problem at all in speaking against mormonism ,as it is nothing short of the work of satan himself ,and anyone who is foolish enough to believe joeseph smith over CHRIST JESUS ,is going to reap what they sow ,fact
roxfoot 8 months ago
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itsalltheory 7 months ago
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@itsalltheory ,yawn ,
2 timothy 4
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
roxfoot 7 months ago
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@itsalltheory Galatians 1-8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed",
roxfoot 7 months ago
@itsalltheory Galatians 5-4 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace".--You believe you earned your place ,I read ,Ephesians 2-8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God , Galatians 2-21"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” ,listen to CHRIST not joe ,
roxfoot 7 months ago
@roxfoot Thank you for your concern. All the same, I'm acutely aware of the Protestant philosophy concerning the doctrine of justification. However, "works" is not an attempt to secure salvation, rather it is an outward expression of our inner faith and subservience to our Lord Christ Jesus. One cannot simply assume salvation by professing faith in the Christ, yet continue to maintain a life contrary to His teaching.
Listen to CHRIST not Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Zwingli, Knox, and list goes on
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory CHRIST is my guide ,no other ,brother were you to practice what you preach ,you would not deny that our salvation rests entirely on his death on the cross ,and the idea of joseph improving on what CHRIST told us would be abhorrent to you as it is me ,CHRIST said
I AM THE WAY
brigham young said no one saved without joe
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory does your book not state pacifically ,w
we are saved by grace after all we can do
CHRIST said
we are saved by grace not by works lest anyman should boast
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Your interpretation is a misrepresentation. When the scripture illustrates "after" it speaks to the believer willing to submit everything of themselves to God. When Nephi spoke of "all we can do," he was not referring to individual perfection on our own, which is impossible in mortality, but rather of being reconciled to Christ by exercising our faith unto repentance and by entering into a covenant with God through baptism to keep his commandments and being faithful to that covenant.
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory no ,any mormon that evr knocked here stated that we are saved by faith and works as does
moroni ,10 -32
and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, ***then*** is his grace sufficient for you .
ephesians 2-8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
,not something to be earned by doing what the bible said we can not romans 3 -10
read luke 7-50 and romans 3
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Latter day saints believe we are saved through the atonement of Jesus Christ, him doing for us what we cannot do. I don't understand why people think otherwise. The words of Christ teach all men that they should do good. LDS's also believe that Jesus lives today, with a perfect ressurected body of flesh and bone. We don;t believe his is a spirt. We also believe that Christ stands at the head of his church today, as in the days of old has called prophets & apostles to testify of him.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@itsalltheory my "interpretation" is exactly as your book states it is ,you definition of your own books is contorted ,do i really have to explain to you what you believe ,romans tells us that abraham was considered righteous by his faith ,before he was circumsized ,your book teaches circumscision before righteousness ,
Romans 3
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Your appeal to semantics may amuse the disgruntled Protestant crowd you continually pander to, but it has little relevance in understanding what Latter-Day Saints profess.
"do i really have to explain to you what you believe" It seems that telling Latter-Day Saints what they really believe is a past-time for those outside our faith.
Shall I now quote a Biblical scripture that's contrary to the verses you've indicated, or shall we continue the hermeneutics game?
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory No ,lets look at what is written in the history of the church where joe puts himself over and above CHRIST ,boasting he done more than JESUS (history of the church vol 6 pg 461) weird when John 5-23 tells us“in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.” just as in greek is kaq ,meaning exactly but ,yeah go ahead ,try and prove to me the GOD you claim to believe in contradicts HIMSELF
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot The story of Abraham and Issac loses all sigficance if God and Jesus Christ are the incomprehensible being. This story is a modle to help us understand the extent of the love our father in heaven has for us. To sacrifice his own son, no greater love. Likewise Jesus willing to submit to the fathers will, and sacrifice his own life for all of us.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth No ,the verse states very clearly that we should worship CHRIST "exactly as the father ,as CHRIST could forgive sins ,how dare joseph smith claim he has more to boast than anyman ,when did joe ,raise the dead ,heal the sick ,forgive sins ,establish the church ,even if he was a prophet ,he would not talk about christ saying that CHRISTS followers ran from him but not from me ,that my friend is blasphemy ,as it was written apostacy never happened ,JOHN 15-16
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth Infact ,you and your ignorant friend have heard the word of GOD preached unto you and have chosen to ignore all that has been said ,your decision is made there is no more i can do for you ,were i to try it would bare no fruit ,as you have set your hearts against GOD ,and believe that your church is the key to eternity ,when CHRIST is the only way ,all your traditions will bring you not but swift destruction ,
PROVERBS 3-34
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Christ will be our judge. I would start with coming to know for yourself that Jesus Christ is real. Once you know that, the holy ghost can bare testimony of all things. A testimony begins and ends with Jesus Christ. Who is our advocate with the Father.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth Fool ,nothing i have said, could be read as a view from someone who does not believe CHRIST is real ,the fact i capitalise HIS name when i write should have been a huge clue ,YOyou believe in the mason ,i will believe in the MESSIAH ,
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot How do you know he is real?
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth .........................Education
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot "Education" Interesting. the truth is coming out.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth ,i knew where you were going to go with that ,not a burning in the bossom ,education yes education ,and then when i believed i was filled with the HOLY SPIRIT ,you believe you received the HOLY SPIRIT ,so now you believe ,
interesting that someone who opposes GOD would do exactly the opposite of truth ,like satan GOD said ,"we are to test the spirits if they are of GOD" ,1 john 4-1
without education i would not be able to know anything
and fall for every lie
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Really, so does our uneducated African brother seeking only after his next meal and not a scholastic vocation fall for every lie, or could he possibly equate the Lord's Spirit for himself? Wow roxfoot you must belong to a very exclusive church, from your particular perspective 20-30% of the world is too ignorant to receive the Holy Spirit. Please inform us, does the Holy Spirit require a doctorate, an degree, or possibly just a layman's understanding in order for one to be saved?
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
,test the spirits if they are of GOD ,
by checking scripture such as ,
moroni 10 -32 ,rid yourself of all unrighteousness
romans 10-3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
as they conflict ,we are forced to choose ,i choose the book that has proved itself accurate 100% ,
not the one plagerized from the bible and the apocrapha ,
roxfoot 6 months ago
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@roxfoot "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Your sustained anger, insult and contempt is telling of your fruits.
I imagine there are few wishing to pick from your garden.
Your evaluation of plagiarism is sophomoric at best.
You may wanted to consider wearing dark glasses and a hat in public.
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
brother all i am doing is sharing scripture ,
your logic would and could rightly be attributed to yourself ,as i have not seen a smidgen of scripture from you ,as all i read are opinions with no bilical referrance ,veiled insults and argument with no basis in scripture ,just childish statements about wearing glasses ,and old prodestant problems ,as though joes seperation from the church is any different at all to those you condem for turning away from the truth of the gospel
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Are so-called "old" Protestant problems not relevant in your evaluation of God's truth. Certainly you don't maintain your opinions are held to a higher standard because you spatter them here and there with partial and out of context scripture? In denouncing my "opinions" hopefully you're not holding God responsible for the dribble you present as academic endeavour. Perhaps you may want to re-read Mark 12:31 Love your neighbor as yourself There is no commandment greater than these.”
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
prodestant problems are no different to mormonism ,they are all because of someone rejecting gospel and others following blindly without doing as commanded ,and testing the spirits if they are of GOD ,by reading the BIBLE sitting up at the night until all hours ,having been up very early ,and will be again the next day ,just so i can show ,share the truth with someone ,who like me has been lied to ......................................,that is love ,
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Their problems are much different. As previously noted, Protestants enjoyed the fruits of much cruelty, including enslaving blacks. Protestants were semi-successful in destroying Native Americans under the banner of "Manifest Destiny". Protestant reformers believed Jewish people should be exterminated, as did a did Hitler, who often referenced Martin Luther's anti-Semetic literature. Coincidence that Germany is the birth place of the Reformation/Protestantism? You call this love?
itsalltheory 5 months ago
@itsalltheory the term prodestant ment anyone in objection to the vatican ,as such you too are a prodestant ,
however if every church on this planet were corrupt ,it would still not prove mormonism to be true ,no more than asserting that because the crusadews were evil islam is correct ,in fact i have heard that from muslims ,the similarity again rears its ugly head
now back to CHRIST
PHILPPIANS 2 ,
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
PHILIPPIANS 3
19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
SOUNDS LIKE THE BURNING IN THE BOSOM TO ME
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
Philippians 3 ,9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
also 2,
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
so joseph saying "he done more" is total blasphemy
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheoryColossians 1 speaking of CHRIST it reads :16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
including satan ,i am quoting "scripture" ,you "opinions" ,its very evident who believes in the Bible ,and who believes in themself ,you have been lied to ,drowning in you sins ,i am trying to help you ,thats love
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
by your logic ,expressed in your comment ,anyone who is guilty of evil is not christian ,sorry brother but that would also applie to the mormon chuchs "prophet" ,danites ,mountain meadows ,teenage wives ,blasphemy ,deception ,witchcraft ,fraud ,adding to that what was wrote as was forbidden by GOD
Duter 4,2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory "Coincidence that Germany is the birth place of the Reformation/Protestantism? You call this love?
as much a coincidence as the fact that ,that joseph was a 33rd degree mason ,who by their own books engage in ceremonies that are total blasphemy before our LORD ,or that he was an american ,who have invaded iraq and afghanistan ,causing death and misery to millions ,in an illegal war ,
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
all men are sinners ,
Rom.3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God
Eccl.7:20 Not a just man on earth, that...sinneth not
Isa.64:6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags
Rom.3:10 There is none righteous, no not one
Jam.2:10 Whoever shall offend in one point (of law), guilty of all
1Jn.1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
2 corinthians 10
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; ,meaning destroying any teaching that opposes the true gospel of CHRIST ,and it is an act of love
hence my"love" for you is not just my choice , but my obligation as a christian ,
roxfoot 6 months ago
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FlyHipHopGuy 5 months ago
@FlyHipHopGuy2 Corinthians 10:3-6
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory
i would strongly suggest you read Matthew 5 and onwards ,and ask yourself where would you go if you died tonight
roxfoot 5 months ago
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FlyHipHopGuy 5 months ago
@FlyHipHopGuy "Were I or you go is not determined by your evaluation of scripture", i do not define the BIBLE ,it defines itself !!
"however you may want to reevaluate your own endeavour and then apply Matt. 5:23 to yourself"
teaching the truth of scipture and destroying lies ,is not just an act of love but an obligation
1 john 4.5.6
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory "Really, so does our uneducated African brother seeking only after his next meal and not a scholastic vocation fall for every lie"
maybe ,,if he does not check the facts and rely on the gut instinct of a heart thats wicked and a mind that is evil continually ,
"Wow roxfoot you must belong to a very exclusive church"
..............................................but we dont hate black people
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Really? So what of the millions of people that have never had access to the Bible, are they doomed by your God? In reply to your second ill-informed comment, I'd imagine you'd have us believe that Protestants had nothing to do with American slavery? Perhaps you should inform historians of your findings. And how bout all them good ole boys scratching up the KKK in defence of Protestantism? Please spare us the self-righteous, supercilious nonsense. Once again you embarrass yourself.
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory "
does the Holy Spirit require a doctorate, an degree, or possibly just a layman's understanding in order for one to be saved?
no just reading and obeying scripture ,which is very clear about one GOD
about the cross ,not the garden ,about faith ,not work ,about future false gospels ,about sinners going to hell and staying there for eternity ,about the trinity ,about the prophets been finished after john ,about satan created by CHRIST
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot It seems you have some difficultly answering questions clearly.
Prophets after John - I thought all was complete in Jesus? Trinity? I searched the scriptures exceedingly and could not find that word or concept. Perhaps you could have Constantine unravel that quandary. Satan created by Christ - have you informed your pastor of this revelation?
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory ,you will not find a word about other prophets to come or rejecting black people or nephite or lamenites ,or GOD instucting polygamy ,or temple cerimonies ,or special underware ,or baptism for the dead ,or three heavens ,or many gods ,or men of god using withcraft or boasting about how they are so great as joe did in fact that whole i have done more than any man is like the 5 i wills in isaiah spoken by the spirit of satan
never the less you accept all these things
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
all the prophets were to prophesize of CHRIST ,and HE was the last ,as the bible states clearly ,John was before CHRIST
also Revelation 19 ,10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Yahshua. Worship Yahweh! For the testimony of Yahshua is the spirit of prophecy.”,
CHRIST is GOD ,who created satan ,CHRIST was the ******only******begotten
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory "It seems you have some difficultly answering questions clearly."
my answers are very clear and endorsed biblicaly ,saying you do not understand what is written is only an insult to yourself ,but then as a mormon you will have these problems as they have blinkered you to facts and scewed your thought process ,i fear the bible term "strong dilusion" may be applicable ,but if CHRIST can raise the dead ,he can heal you ,just trust HIM not yourself ,I will pray for you ,goodbye
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth great defence against the blatant blasphemy of joe and your non prophets ,
im educated ,therefor a liar
wonderful rebuttal ,through study of CHRISTIANITY ,i have become a liar
through "seeking diligently" as the BIBLE instructs us ,I am satanic
my years of investigation of the facts ,archeology ,history ,literature ,biology ,chemistry ,geology ,,scripture ,
all defeated by some heart felt notion that you had ,
does a gay not believe he was born that way
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth i strongly suggest you read matthew 5 onwards ,and ask yourself ,where you will be if you die tonight ,goodbye and GOD bless
roxfoot 5 months ago
@cawadsworth
i would strongly suggest you read Matthew 5 and onwards ,and ask yourself where would you go if you died tonight ,as All men are sinners:
Rom.3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God
Eccl.7:20 Not a just man on earth, that...sinneth not
Isa.64:6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags
Rom.3:10 There is none righteous, no not one
Jam.2:10 Whoever shall offend in one point (of law), guilty of all
1Jn.1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves
roxfoot 5 months ago
@roxfoot If I may be so bold, Mark 7:6-16 would be a nice touch and perhap's help drive home the point. The Truth shall set them free (but only if they let it)
pappyforyou 5 months ago
@roxfoot Here is a question for you. If the true church of Christ was on the earth today with the same organization as it had in formative times. Would such a church be met with much persecution from those claiming to speak in the name of the Lord as in days of old??
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth muslims are by your definition "persecuted" way more than you are ,so islam is the way to GOD by your logic
roxfoot 6 months ago
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@roxfoot you don;t want to answer the question do you?
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth i just did ,your implication that persecution is validation of your religious assertion is confusion ,and applicable to the despicable ,when the prophets ,the disciples ,the apostles ,CHRIST HIMSELF ,would have done exactly as GOD would have us do ,speak out against all religious doctrine that is of satan ,
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth Revelation 5--5,6 clearly describe CHRIST ,as the one who is above all ,
so joe claiming he has more to boast of than anyman ,is the highest form of blasphemy
brigham young claiming
no salvation in this dispensation without joe ,as he did in journal of discourses vol 7 pg 289 is a fallacy
again maroni 10 -32 ,is impossible ,
9 first visions is comical
GOD was once a man is ridicule
CHRIST mock you in return harshly at that
mattew 7,22
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth Isaiah 43 -10,11
10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
please understand ,this verse it reads one GOD ,not many
,and he is the only saviour ,CHRIST and GOD are one
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot _ You'd be doing yourself a favour to look inward before utilizing the ignorant pejorative (you're embarrassing yourself). As far as the fruits of your labor are concerned I imagine they produce little in the people you commonly condemn because your Christlike solicitude is severely deficient. You, like many of your Protestant predecessors, would rather eliminate those outside your realm of rectitude than subdue them, yet Christ and His infinite mercy does not operate from that premise.
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
"there is not one single substantiated piece of historical or archeological evidence that points to the existence of our Lord"
you think
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory i argue my point from scripture ,
your talking from your opinions ,
fairly evident who believes in GOD ,
and who believes in themselves ,then that is what mormonism teaches ,(rid yourself of all unrighteousness) ,
and the burning in the bosom ,
nothing to do with facts ,just gut instinct like the bible said beasts living by emotions,
good luck with that ,
i have no interest in conversing with someone who would rather talk opinions than scripture ,
"i imagine" ,yeah you really do
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory ,
no ignorant means based on lack of facts ,if i was to see a black person stealing and call them a robber ,its not racist ,i do not wish to eliminate anyone ,but include everyone in the truth ,
that i demonstrated from your book and the bible ,as for needing a degree to be saved ,
the bible tells us to test the spirits if the are of GOD ,as many false prophets have gone out into the world ,trusting yourself without checking facts is not just unbiblical ,but ridiculous
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory cant wait to watch your mental gymnastics ,mormon are experts
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory ,and if you could please explain why theres occult symbolism all over the temple in Utah ,like the pentagram on the eagles gate ,and why anyone would choose a mason over a messiah
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory well stated!
cawadsworth 6 months ago
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itsalltheory 6 months ago
@cawadsworthThank you for your kind words. Though it has been amusing debating issues in this venue, I feel that it's time to move on as things have deteriorated leaving roxfoot with little more than anger fuelled ad hominem assaults and the same ole anti arguments that do not merit a response. Let him conclude he has won the war, it should help subdue his ire. I shall take my leave and permit you to inform him the Trinity is not Biblical Let him in on the Constantine quandary would you? Gd Lk
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory proverbs 27
,5 Open rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
as regards the trinity please see next comment
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory as regards the trinity
John 2:19-21- Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.See? >>>>>>>Jesus said He would do it.
roxfoot 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
Now the Holy Spirit...
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Now, the Father...
Romans 6:4 -Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Quite simple, eh?
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot You accuse others of mental gymnastics? At what point did you extrapolate Trinity from those scriptures? 1+1+1 does not = 1 Mental gymnastics - for sure!
itsalltheory 5 months ago
@itsalltheory actually ,all 3 claiming to raise people from the dead is proof ,not gymnastics ,however ,what could be called gymnastics is someone claiming to be of GOD and performing the rituals it takes to become a mason ,even the very first one is to blaspheme GOD ,it is interesting though that again ,as allways you introduce conjecture ,with no Bilical confirmation ,brother when the storm comes ,your shelter is in CHRIST not joe ,who contradicts the BIBLE on almost everything
roxfoot 5 months ago
@itsalltheory 1 John 5:7 is not mental gymastics. John 4:24 "God is a Spirit" is not mental gymnastics. Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man" is not mental gymnastics. Calling the two women figures, numbers 2 & 4 on page 41 of the Pearl of Great Price "King Pharaoh" & "Prince of Pharaoh" is mental gymnastics. They are the egyptian godesses Isis & Maat. Any encyclopedia, egyptian book, internet article etc. agree on that point. Figure 1 is not Abraham, he is the egyptian god Osiris.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 4 months ago
@roxfoot I hesitate to even respond. John 13:34-35
34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye alove one another; as I have loved you, that ye also blove one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have alove one to another.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@roxfoot Mathew 25: 31¶When the aSon of man shall come in his bglory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all anations: and he shall bseparate them one from another, as a cshepherd divideth his dsheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his aright hand, but the goats on the left.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth brother ,please understand ,that the 1 and a half hours i spent was not becaus i enjoy ripping people ,
it was because i love people
i would not walk by ,as you drown
or would i ,allow someone to steal from you
but joseph will ,
i have but one intent
to show you how inconsistent your techers are with the bible
mountain meadows massacar is worth a look ,but i leave you with this ******************************Galatians 6,7,8,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please read it
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Matt 25 continued - 34Then shall the King say unto them on his aright hand, Come, ye bblessed of my Father, cinherit the dkingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an ahungred, and ye bgave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a cstranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye avisited me: I was in bprison, and ye came unto me.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@roxfoot matt 25 continued - 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee asick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have adone it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth You could have saved a great measure of time ,by ----not assuming ignorance of scripture on my part
moroni ,10 -32
and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, ***then*** is his grace sufficient for you .
ephesians 2-8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
,not something to be earned by doing what the bible said we can not romans 3 -10
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot matt 25 continued - 41Then shall he say also unto them on the aleft hand, bDepart from me, ye ccursed, into everlasting dfire, eprepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an ahungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth CHRIST said that its a gift that none may boast ,
2 nephi 25-23 ,
We know that it is by grace that we are saved, ****after**** all we can do."
again with the cart in front of the horse
romans 3
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot matt 25 last one - 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the aleast of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into aeverlasting bpunishment: but the crighteous into dlife eeternal.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth d+c 282 onward joe claimed to be head of the churchd
Colossians 1-18 ,CHRIST is
d+c 114-1 prophecy about david patterson ,one of many that failed
Deuteronomy 18-21,22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Grace. A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworththe joseph
"I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all
eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil. God was once a man like us and dwelt on
earth, the same as Jesus Christ did.
"bible teaches that "God is not a man that He should lie" (Num. 23:19). Moses
declared in Psalm 90:2 that God is from everlasting to everlasting. God Himself said, "I am the Lord, I
change not" (Mal. 3:6). Simply put, God has always existed as God
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth grace is given to those who believe CHRIST is GOD ,not your spirit brother or an equal to satan ,THE ALLMIGHTY ,not a god ,the only GOD ,
Isaiah 45-51
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me
and that polygamy thing have you folks made up you mind yet is it in ,or out this year ,
9 first vision accounts ,
if GOD appeared to me ,i would remeber
lets talk about the virgin birth ,when CHRIST is made to look like horus after isis and osiris get it together
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Divine grace is needed by every soul in consequence of the fall of Adam and also because of man’s weaknesses and shortcomings. It is truly the grace of Jesus Christ that makes salvation possible. This principle is expressed in Jesus’ parable of the vine and the branches (John 15:1–11).
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth Guess who else had a heavenly mother and heavenly father who spawned so called divinity ,babylon
ALSO ,the book of moron ,sorry mormon ,has plagerized huge amounts of the bible ,i have endless examples ,
and zarahemla is still missing like the coins ,war artifacts ,i mean millions died ,there should be at least an arrow head or a piece of writting somewhere ,
history of the church vol6 ,pg 408-409 ------pure an utter blasphemy
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot The word coin or coins never appears in the BOM, it speaks of different "measures" the bible however references farthings and mites, coins of 16th century England. Suffice to say that the BoM needs no more explanation than what has been given, and the Bible can simply be said to be suffering from a translator’s efforts to make the coinage familiar to [his] contemporary readers. There seems to be a double standard to all the anti-mormon rhetoric.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth How dare you ,fool ,I have given you scriptures from the BIBLE ,a book you claim to believe in ,I have given you scientific facts , i have quoted the exact verses from your book that conflict with the BIBLE ,
the death of Lazerous
plagerized in the death of lamoni ,eg ,they both stinketh ,believith thou this ,as in alma ,and John
alma the younger and paul
both wicked,persecuted,struck and performed same miracle
mormon plagerization of BIBLE
Then its only rhetoric ,,,,,right
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth sorry brother ,but symantical nonsense is not an option here ,i can call you many names all pertaining to an actuall view ,that we both would understand be it negative or positive
ALMA 11:4. Now these are the names of the different pieces of their gold, and of their silver, according to their value.
sounds like coins to me
however you can say ,the book of lies dont mention coins ,but we both understand exactly what the writer is describing ,the BIBLE says your a fool ,Prvs 12 -1
roxfoot 6 months ago
@cawadsworth john 5-23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Original Word: καθώς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: kathos
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-oce')
Short Definition: just as, as
Definition: according to the manner in which, in the degree that, just as, as.
hence CHRIST is GOD
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Jesus quoted Isaiah more frequently than he quoted any other prophet. Isaiah is also quoted frequently by Peter, John, and Paul in the N.T. Prophets love to quote the prophets who came before them, and the scriptures contain hundreds, if not thousands of examples of earlier scriptures being quoted or expounded upon. The fact that Isaiah is moving, and powerfully prophetic, it makes sense. In fact, some might make the argument that a lack of such practice would be far more suspicious.
cawadsworth 6 months ago
@cawadsworth josephet smith prophecy (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).
never happened
Deuteronomy 18 ,22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
referring to valid arguments as rhetoric ,is a conclusion ,not an argument and is only insulting your own intelligence ,no citys ,no tools no weapons ,no huge temples ,not writings ,nothing
roxfoot 6 months ago
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@roxfoot Speaking of Isaiah brother 7-14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel...........................................which means GOD among us
not ,,,,,,a god
roxfoot 6 months ago
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itsalltheory 6 months ago
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@roxfoot Hmm, Isaiah 17:1 is relevant according to your evaluation, seeing that Damascus is hardly a ruinous heap and remains one of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities. Alarmed anyone? As far as evidence is concerned there is not a single substantiated historical or archeological evidence that points to the existence of our Lord, yet we do not flounder in our faith or conviction of His legitimacy. So are the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandments then untrue as well?
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory
damacus is an event of the future end times ,that ****has not***** happened yet
joes "Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted" ***did not*** happen at all
when reading prophecies ,i am very carefull to define a difference in what **has not***,,
and what ***did not*** happen ,so that my point is built on solid fact ,and there is not objecting to facts
roxfoot 6 months ago
@roxfoot Yes, yes the future. We'll claim the same - in God's year of course.
itsalltheory 6 months ago
@itsalltheory MARK 9 .6.7,8,9
clearly demonstrate that the law tru Mosses ,and the prophets tru Elijah ,are done ,
furthermore CHRIST said in Matthew 11-13 ,that john was the last prophet ,hebrews talks of in times past GOD spoke tru the prophets ,
mathew 21 ,33-38 is a parable by CHRIST ,about the prophets which clearly states in verse 37 ,that ,
"LAST OF ALL ,he sent his son ,
hence no more prophets ,thats not ad homme ,its biblical
roxfoot 6 months ago
@divtid You must be a huge fan of the Muslim religion then.
Bossk333 7 months ago
Judging by the language of its detractors, Mormonism must truly irritate the vile and vulgar elements of society. Strange.
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