@polea10 your a moron and you don't get the joke..the joke is since gays can't get married all people lose there rights so this is actual a skit impowering gay people saying they should be able to get married
I'd like to say that this is exaggerated, but it's not. 25% of female U.S. soldiers are sexually assaulted, usually by other soldiers. I heard that on NPR.
Er, I know that it was your intention to shock people, but seriously? Rape? It's just a liiiiitle too far. :/
All that aside, I completely agree with you guys. I live in Sacramento and my parents voted against prop 8. Afterwards, I kind of became a young activist, campaigning for its overturn. :]
Keep making more of these videos; maybe an episode six? :]
Just uh, yeah. No more rape references? Please? :/
Sorry to comment again, but seriously. When your being violated like that, your too shocked to talk, you can't even scream. Your brain just shuts down.
@Sociopath713 they already are treated as equals just look at legal partner ships, check this /watch?v=6zbpDe_QhS0 hey i don't care who you love but i hate when they make it seem so general as if they actually are losing any rights. also separate church from state, you can't force a church to marry someone against their beliefs, which is what they want to do.
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Proposition 8 was a CALIFORNIA amendment. The army is run by the federal government. These videos are trying to fool those who don't know anything about how their own government works... plus, denying gay marriages has nothing to do with any part of the bill of rights. none.
I given reference to China & Japan where homosexuality was praised in art & literature throughout their respective histories, yet marriage was always male:female as it was regarded as a means for providing a home to raise the next generation in society w/both a mom & dad. Now are 2 moms w/o dad or dads w/o mom just as good for raising the kids as a mom & dad? Or moms & dads interchangeable for the kids & there are no differences in the sexes emotionally or psychologically?
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Marriage is not a right. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? Is there a right to marry siblings, parents, & other immediate relatives? No. Is there a right to marry more than 1 person? No. Gays already have their rights & marriage isn't a right, nor is military service, so they have equal rights.
we dont have the same right str8 people have!!! we have about half thankyou! and what your spouting is ridiculous incest is not the same as being gay you half wit! two non related men who are of legal age, give equal consent to marry one another is totally different. how would you like it if you were refused the right to marry the person you loved?
Yes, you do have the same rights: vote, sit on juries, crimes against you are regarded as such. Marriage is NOT a right. Or is there a right to marry a person who refuses? I didn't compare same-sex to incest; I compared the grounds for same-sex to the grounds for incest: If your basis is equality, then why not allow siblings to marry? That is egalitarian. The ? is what is best for society, not for me. Now answer my questions that I provided.
Well, Americans have the right to religious freedom. And, if it's part of a gay person's religion to be married, than shouldn't it be their right? Because if not, that means government would favor one religion over another. Which would go against the first amendment, and the establishment clause. Which is the law. And all i've seen you bring up are incest and people who refuse, pedophilia and bestiality. Which are all against the law. Homosexuality is not against the law.
"Gays already have their rights & marriage isn't a right, nor is military service, so they have equal rights."
Oh they do? Just like they did 30 years ago when Anita Bryant tried firing all gay teachers in public schools? Are you talking about those rights? You ignorant pig.
I'm living in 2009, not 1979. Please be more up to date. Thank you. & please answer the ?s that I have posed below. & Thank you further for insulting me. My side will win as your side as insults, and baseless, vacuous platitudes while my side seeks to keep the needs of society paramount and the needs of kids more important than the wants of adults as gay adults don't need marriage, but kids need moms & dads.
Kids need PARENTS. That doesn't necessarily mean a mother and father. And those against gay marriage are known to be more insulting and more hateful than supporters. So why don't you take your fake intelligence your trying to convince us you have somewhere else, because you aren't wanted here.
This video is the kind of straw man employed by a cause without the intellectual merits to argue rationally and honestly and thus resort to scare tactics, protecting marriage = unfair search and seizures/ conscription and quartering of soldiers, quite a stretch.
A more realistic slippery slope would be the continued deterioration of the marriage criteria to accommodate polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia.
But hey, that would require a rational look at the law.
"marriage criteria to accommodate polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia." In fact the ACLU and radical feminists already have stated they favor legalizing polygamy. There are pro-polymory groups waiting too. The ACLU would defend NABLA in court over pedophilia & PETA & its allies inevitably will push for human:animal marriages. It will happen & people who don't think so are deluding themselves.
This is not a question of separate but equal because no one is claiming that marriage is the same as a domestic partnership. They are two distinct institutions that are covered by two different sections of the CA Code.
Prop 8 defined marriage in the exact same manner it had been defined by the people of CA since the state's inception.
Homosexuals are entitled to marriage in the same manner as anyone else. They simply CHOOSE not to abide by the conditions attached to it.
You have a bizarre idea of freedom. What you want is benefits from someone who does not want to give them to you. Prop 8 does nothing to impede your freedom at all. You are free to live your life as you see fit with no interference from the state. What you are not able to do is get the benefits from society because you refuse to comply with the legitimate restrictions and conditions society has attached to those benefits.
The whole fallacy of this series is the claim that marriage is a right. It's not. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? No. Your own siblings, parents, or immediate relatives? No. More than 1 person? No. Marriage requires consent & has restrictions just like driving a car or getting a vocational license(as consent comes from the state and there are restrictions). Are they rights too? No.
The fact that a marriage that can be performed in 3 states (soon in 6) cannot be recognized in other states just makes no sense at all. And let's say DOMA is repealled, the fact that a state may recognize certain marriages performed in other states but prohibits it to its own citizens makes no sense at all. It goes further than religious tolerance or educating society on homophobia, its just plain dumb simple common sense.
Marriage has nothing to do with religion? I disagree, many synagogues, churches and temples perform same sex-marriage and it has to do, in part, with religious freedom. Now civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, even if it stems from religious law it is not religious when the State performs them. A good analogy I can think of is citizenship, either you are born into a religion or you convert, but once you're in you're in and that's the origin of State citizenship or nationalization.
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Far from being "callous" or "brutal", Prop 8 is an act of TRUE CHRISTIAN CHARITY!!! What could be more CRUEL and INHUMANE than to stand idly by while those FILTHY FAG BRUTES condemn their immortal souls to Hell by gay-marrying each other!!! In the name of mercy and decency, all good Christians must come together and protect the fags from themselves and their sinful, soul-condemning proclivities!!! Prop 8 is for the fags' OWN GOOD!!!!
MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION! Why do you give a fuck anyway? You really have nothing better to do with your life besides prevent a loving couple to get married? People like you sicken me.
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How can you say marriage has "nothing to do with religion"? It most DEFINITELY does. Marriage is as religious as ANY ritual can be: it is what sanctifies the union of man and woman, making the difference between sinful fornication and blessed matrimonial bliss. And for depraved, blasphemous fags (and their liberal, atheist enablers) to dilute and corrupt such an institution is an unforgivable affront to the mercy of the Almighty, which they should be stopped from committing for their OWN SAKE!!!
thats all fine an dandy and i respect that to be your beliefs and i wouldn't want to try and change that about you because its your right to think that way. but when marriage becomes a part of law and its not just about having a title is about legality. health care taxes children ect your argument doesn't apply. no 1 asked for your church to recognize gay marriage just the state.And if they arent hurting you why would you care?
ozfan2themax makes a point church and state are ment to be seperate and i bet you see more strait married people divorced than you do gay married people and you know what my parent at married and theyve been together for like 30yr
people get married so they can take half of what the other person owns not becase they truely love each other if they did they wouldnt care to get married
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i loveeeee how gays think its crazy how conservatives compare gay marriage to beastiality and polygamy etc etc but its okay and acceptable to think that prop 8 will lead to slavery, rape, and pretty much chaos and no rights of any person! IDIOTS
ok i think this is hell of funny and im a bisexual and a LOT of my friend's r gay 2 and they all love this, just cuz it give's us something 2 do. me and all my friend's want 2 thank all you people who respect and stand up for us gay people.
I'm all for letting gays marry, but I fail to see how voting against gay marriage will see my house taken over by the army and my daughter raped.
"Ever since Prop 8 passed, we can do whatever we want" - Just how many houses have been taken over by the army since Prop 8 passed?
I get that you're trying to be a bit funny, but you have to make a real argument at the same time. It is a serious issue and shouldn't be used as an excuse to practice your amateur drama skills.
shut the fuck up this my be over dramatized but its partially true b/c of prop 8 and other gay marriage banning laws other rights could start to be taken away by the government, and don't say they won't do that b/c people think the government wont do alot of stuff until its too late
Wow your a moron. The Constitution protects against illegal searches and seizures as well. Have you even read the patriot act? Cause the Constitution doesnt "protect" u anymore. You better open your ignorant eyes brother. Cause the document we hold so dear is losing ground to mindless citizens who could give a rats ass about it.
I fully support gay marriage. Huge opponent of Prop 8.
However, there is a flaw in the logic of this series. There's a huge difference between State law and Constitutional Law. In fact, the Constitution establishes State's rights in all matters not specifically mentioned (ie. Marriage) Therefore, as it is currently interpreted, it is against the constitution to step in and tell a State it is wrong for holding a legal vote on marriage law. Blame the state, not the fed.
but no state reserves the right to grant itself powers which usurp the Constitution. If the U.S. Supreme Court (the ONLY authority on the Constitution) decided the case and found that gay marriage is totally legitimate according to the Constitution then all states would have to abide by that ruling... so yeah, blame the Fed... just look at Roe v. Wade
Not necessarily. States are empowered to amend the Constitution through a constitutional convention. They, not the Court, would then have the final say.
I've tried talking sense to you guys for a few weeks now and you still don't get it.
Marriage is a privalage, not a right. Gays still enjoy the same rights, such as the freedom of speech. But they can't get married to who ever they want. But just because of that doesn't mean that their "rights" were taken away.
Perhaps one day all of you will wake up and think, "That's what he meant. That makes sense." But I doubt that day will come because you all seem to shallow minded to think for once.
I suppose that technically you are correct in that it is a privilege.
However, the discrimination of prohibiting someone from a privilege based on nothing they've actually done runs counter to the principle of equality under the law.
The family aspect is also a moot point, thanks to adoption. It could be argued that dual-income households run counter to the idea of marriage, lacking a "homemaker".
And for the record, I'm against marriage. Not just gay marriage, all marriage.
Are you really that blind? Before Prop 8 was passed, Prop 22 was deemed "unconstitutional" by the CA Supreme Court. How the hell do you think 18,000 couples got married right before election day? They could marry then but not now. That means their right was taken away.
Marriage IS a right. In the Declar. of Indep., Thomas J. wrote that each citizen is given 3 INALIENABLE rights: "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness." MANY founding fathers believe that marriage constitutes as a right.
SabreKitteh down there gets it, that marriage is a privilage. You and everyone else that agrees with your skewed way of thinking seem to be the only ones not with the program.
Wouldn't you agree that someone who has their drivers license suspended would be entitled to have it back because it's their, so called, "right" to drive. Even though driving is a privilage and not a "right"? If that doesn't make sense, then you're more shallow minded then you've already made youself out to be.
because when people get their license suspended ITS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DESERVED it- drunk driving
you have the right to drive IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES because other wise people would be getting killed, more so, if you dont follow the rules then you shouldn't have the right to do that
that means shit to nobody you dumb fuck... the founding fathers also thought human flight was impossible and that the universe could be understood mathematically but never experienced tangibly (through space travel... which we do everyday). They didn't know what electricity was, they hadn't the slightest clue about deterrence theory, communism, M.A.D, blitzkrieg, crude oil, genetics, or even modern economic principles... yet somehow, we don't all wear powdered wigs and knickerbockers do we!
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Maybe it is just a function of how youtube organizes responses that you missed the context of my comment. It was in response to ryanahari's comment concerning Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence.
I read it genius, I don't go into things half cocked. My point was, the founding fathers saw a LOT of things differently than we conceive them today... it is called progress, and you should try it... just the tip, just to see how it feels
THEY NEVER MADE THIS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE YOU FUCKTARD... gay marriage was NOT an issue of import or discussion during the constitutional convention OR any early legislative assembly. We must thus use MODERN conceptions (how inventive!) to frame the debate.
According to your argument we should have no NASA because the founders never decided that the Vice-President should also be the chief staff member of our space exploration
you know you think you fucking get, by how do would you feel if you were gay, and were told that you couldn't marry because you were gay.
it would suck, think from a gays perspective
i get what your trying to say, marriage not natural right, its a privilege, it sounds SMART. but its not fucking justice. its fucking discrimination.
what about blacks SITTING IN THE GOD DAM FRONT OF THE BUS. they could still ride the fucking bus, but its telling them 'YOUR NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DO WHAT US WHITES DO
Why do people who wish to redefine marriage always try to equate it with race? The two situations are completely different. Homosexuals were never brought here against their will, held in bondage, denied their basic right to life and liberty. They have never been denied the right to read or vote. We fought the deadliest war in our history to rectify the mistakes we made in denying these rights on account of race and we amended the Constitution specifically to redress those wrongs.
While the two situations are definitely not the same, and anyone who says they're exactly the same is an idiot, there are *comparisons* in how two different groups have been discriminated against throughout history and denied equal treatment under the law. I don't want to get into an argument about who has been more oppressed [which also ignores the existence of black gay people]. I want to be able to help find common ground in standing up for what's right - everyone should be equal.
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There is no comparison. Blacks were denied equal treatment because of who they were. Homosexuals want special treatment because of what they choose to do.
The current marriage law in CA treats everyone equally.
So... because you say that someone shouldn't fall in love with someone else of the same sex, your wishes should get to dictate our lives? Also, is being religious something someone is born with and can't change, or is it something someone chooses? If it's the latter, why are people protected to follow the religion they want but not to be safe loving the person they're in love with?
I couldn't care less who anyone falls in love with and neither does the state. You are confusing personal, individual reasons for marriage and the state's interest.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your religion analogy.
yes BUT. if there were gays during those time they would have been treated the same. the two situations are not exactly the same, but they are similar. people being judged for who they are
this series says alot...if u think about it when people take away the rights of gays they arent just gays, they're people, just like everyone else. everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness and when people get into their religions guess what...its not about you or your religion. whats wrong to u is not necessarily wrong to another person. it's not doing the "right" thing by not allowing gay marriage, ur demeaning these people just because of their sexuality.
the point of this video is to show that by prop 8, the government has taken away the basic rights of the people to practice freedom of religion without discrimination.
they are taking away other basic rights of people in the videos to show how stupid prop 8 was.
The comparison drawn in these videos is stupid and meant to scare people. Prop 8 did not say the military could come and kill gays. The only comparison that can be made is a heterosexual couple planning to get married and then outlawing that marriage. These videos are stupid.
they aren't to scare people (how are they scary?). they are to show the hypocrisy of the law by taking away peoples rights as stated in the constitution.
Where does it say in the constitution that you have the right to gay marriage? And it has to be a direct quote stating EXACTLY that! Such as, "every American has the right to gay marriage." Show me where is says EXACTLY that word for word in the constitution, and I'll agree with it, that it is a right.
it doesn't have to say exactly, juts fall under that category. it says everyone had the right to freedom of religion. doesn't marriage fall under that category?
Hahaha!!! Ok, I'm going to make an argument that I lose a lot of people on. Are you ready?
If it's not in the constitution exactly as I stated it, then it's not in there, therefore, it's not a RIGHT. The freedom of marriage and religion are two different rights. You cannot mesh two rights together! That's an idiotic thing to do!
But here's where I lose people... God calls homosexuality, an abomination. That's why it's wrong, there is no other reason for it. If God wasn't real, there would be no right or wrong. God lays down the foundation for not only our laws, but also our lives. No matter how you look at it, the laws that God has given us have shaped the laws we have today. That's why gay marriage, as a whole is illegal. The same as theft and murder, it's wrong because God says it is. Did I lose you yet?
god also says homosexuals should be put to death... and cheaters... so if someone cheats on their husband/wife, we should kill them... I have the utmost respect for the christian religion. I ask that you show the same respect toward gays. Let's say being gay was a choice (I disagree, but anyway), so is your religion. I don't disturb you for making what is, in my opinion, the wrong choice of religion. you should not bother me because I, in your opinion, make the wrong choice of sexual orientation
It's not a matter of my opinion towards your choice in sexual orientation [which it is a choice]. It's the fact that God calls homosexuality an abomination. In other words, that means it's wrong. My opinion doesn't matter, I'm simply stating it. But what matters is what God tells us. So many people have given up on God... It says in the end times, the truth will become lies, and lies will become truth. It is happening right now. This is just one of the lies God was refering to.
seriously if your really against gay marriage then don't marry a gay person. What does gay people getting married have to do with you if your not gay it's really none of your concern. This country was founded on the principle of a separation of church and state any reference to god or the bible should have no standing when it comes to public policies.
So if it says I have the right to own a gun [which it does] and I have the right to the pursuit of happiness [which it does] and if killing people makes me happy, then I should have a right to do that seeing as how I have a right to a gun and happiness. Wouldn't you agree that I am then given the right to shoot whom ever I pleased because it was a right given to me by my country? And remember, both those rights are in the constitution, but it doesn't say that exactly. : p
This is gay!
rickclayfan 2 weeks ago
Rafi has sex in the buutt. ♪
Hellbellshadz 2 months ago in playlist FineBros Favorites
Phew!! After the daughter was being raped, I thought this would have a bad ending.
Turns out it had a happy one.
:-P
EmeraldView 3 months ago
lisa is the daughter x'DD
winnienobody 4 months ago
poor daughter
ayumicorrine 5 months ago
Gays can get married in New York...
luvkid17 5 months ago 2
love it and to all the haters stop hatin. what are you doing huh
CrazyArabChick410 5 months ago
These guys are playin hard ball... I LIKE IT!!!
riddick0846 6 months ago 2
This is fucking shit and not even funny! not gonna watch this guys videos -.-
chuckbuck123 6 months ago
@chuckbuck123 Thanks for letting the rest of us know
TheRandyChimp 5 months ago
The rape was a little too much. I like the premise of the video, though. Really stunning.
snhettich 7 months ago 2
Makes no sense, marriage isn't in the Bill of Rights.
ninjasniper8472 7 months ago
plz go on lina12347 and plz subscribe and comment to tell how bad or good it is
lina12347 7 months ago
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stop posting this spam comment on every video
Fidorikocompany 7 months ago
Brilliant work!
muddyabbas 7 months ago
LOL!! THE SCREAM
Frijolitobeanman 8 months ago
Sooooo weird. But funny lolz. Cum check me out!
pureawesome15 9 months ago
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Gay marriage is no NATURAL! I mean come on! Seriously! Prop 8 is not even CLOSE to this!!!!!!!!!
lejacobems 9 months ago
HE'S RAPPING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheSickeningTruth 1 year ago
at 0:58 i thought the guy was screaming for a second XD
acm1995 1 year ago 3
@lagrtz i'm pretty sure its a bill that prohibits gays from getting married, atleast thats what it was in california.
ELFKRUNCH 1 year ago
97 of the ppl who dislikes are gays
polea10 1 year ago
@polea10 You just caused my head to explode. I'm dead, and typing this from beyond the grave. The afterlife isn't so bad actually.
dtoliaferro 1 year ago
@polea10 your a moron and you don't get the joke..the joke is since gays can't get married all people lose there rights so this is actual a skit impowering gay people saying they should be able to get married
FAPorDIE 7 months ago
@victor0727
As many people have discovered.
Sociopath713 1 year ago
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If your just joking around, don't ask.
Sociopath713 1 year ago
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! OMG lucky I'm not drinking anything. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
lovemoviesful2 1 year ago
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"...You have a daughter?"
yuumeko 1 year ago
LOL!
UltraComboer 1 year ago
I have those red pants. :)
CryLittleSister17 1 year ago
I'd like to say that this is exaggerated, but it's not. 25% of female U.S. soldiers are sexually assaulted, usually by other soldiers. I heard that on NPR.
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
What does this have to do with Prop. 8?? Nothing. Stupid.
viddrome 1 year ago
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yes it does, well at least the video does....
The tagline is equal rights or no rights. Get it?
ThaX14 1 year ago
Wow, some people really don't understand metaphorical hyperboles.
alifeinthelens 1 year ago
meehjust cant seem to find a prince who knows his way around a womans body
IeshaHarris23 1 year ago
HES RAPING MEEEE!!!!!
FAPorDIE 1 year ago 147
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Nice work... check my Web Series out some time.. we shot with the canon 7d..
BloodBr0thers 1 year ago
put it this way... who would you prefer to watch, two lesbians getting it on, or courtney love... doing anything...???
Coryashire 2 years ago
Prejudice is not the same as ABERRATION ...!
Who do You Want Guard Your Little "Lambs" a dog or a WOLF...?
chachapc007 2 years ago
@chachapc007 Neither both would eat it, i'd just get me a gun.
ButterCupHeartz22 1 year ago
Er, I know that it was your intention to shock people, but seriously? Rape? It's just a liiiiitle too far. :/
All that aside, I completely agree with you guys. I live in Sacramento and my parents voted against prop 8. Afterwards, I kind of became a young activist, campaigning for its overturn. :]
Keep making more of these videos; maybe an episode six? :]
Just uh, yeah. No more rape references? Please? :/
HelloTacoPocket 2 years ago
same! i joined the courage campaign and do things like canvassing with them.... and a few protest :-)
prop 8 was BS.... since when is it okay to take away someone's rights
JadeSClark 1 year ago
we dont need to overturn prop 8.
and are The Fine Bros gay?
musashikyo 2 years ago
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saw the full episode on krunchd(dot)com/freebietv
harrylee2311 2 years ago
you guys are brilliant!
nkudashkina 2 years ago
damm
ruifernandesmz 2 years ago
they should allow gays to get married just like straight people love is love
vaporeon333xxx 2 years ago 4
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no,gay love isnt love :S
dfaisald 2 years ago
this was great
rainbowpagan2 2 years ago
Sorry to comment again, but seriously. When your being violated like that, your too shocked to talk, you can't even scream. Your brain just shuts down.
Sociopath713 2 years ago
what is this "prop 8" thing? i'v heard about it abit
manjo90 2 years ago
it's to keep marriage between a man and a woman
Reggid123 2 years ago
oh ok then ty
manjo90 2 years ago
love the video, but the rape thing wasnt funny, rape is sad!
Isabellathefella 2 years ago
rape isn't funny thats sad
cjrulez10 2 years ago
Its ALSO sad that there aren't equal rights in this country.
smcmahan1990 2 years ago
When any of our brothers face discrimination we face discrimination... UNITED WE STAND . love 2 all
JoeyBoya 2 years ago
No, let the gay's get married. Equal rights!
Sociopath713 2 years ago 167
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i agree!
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@Sociopath713 they already are treated as equals just look at legal partner ships, check this /watch?v=6zbpDe_QhS0 hey i don't care who you love but i hate when they make it seem so general as if they actually are losing any rights. also separate church from state, you can't force a church to marry someone against their beliefs, which is what they want to do.
painokitos 3 months ago
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pffffffffff.....not fucking funny at all!!!!!
get a life peps!!!
gays brothers!!
klolk1991 2 years ago
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I thought this could be a good web series, but the end was fucking sick. Have some common sense assholes.
guitarist62626 2 years ago
"our poor daughter"
"well, at least the gays can't get married"
lol
r33na1 2 years ago
LOL! I loved the random ending! :D
mookiecookiebits 2 years ago
isn't the dad from the elevator show???
soultrain97 2 years ago
HES RAPEING ME
SuperRainbowbright 2 years ago
Thats Woody Tondorf from Elevator!
lawrencetimmons94 2 years ago
LOL!!!
MistressTracy 2 years ago 2
gays should get married
treezoth 2 years ago 7
No they shouldn't
anhsproductions 2 years ago
@anhsproductions and why shouldnt they?
MistahDude 2 years ago
because they're gay
dfaisald 2 years ago
wow hat last part was horrific and not funny at all totally fucked up...
oo7nikp 2 years ago
Oh my gosh! What a horrific ending! ;)
HappyGirl01234567890 2 years ago
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Proposition 8 was a CALIFORNIA amendment. The army is run by the federal government. These videos are trying to fool those who don't know anything about how their own government works... plus, denying gay marriages has nothing to do with any part of the bill of rights. none.
Nonamearisto 2 years ago
I given reference to China & Japan where homosexuality was praised in art & literature throughout their respective histories, yet marriage was always male:female as it was regarded as a means for providing a home to raise the next generation in society w/both a mom & dad. Now are 2 moms w/o dad or dads w/o mom just as good for raising the kids as a mom & dad? Or moms & dads interchangeable for the kids & there are no differences in the sexes emotionally or psychologically?
Aegius 2 years ago
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Marriage is not a right. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? Is there a right to marry siblings, parents, & other immediate relatives? No. Is there a right to marry more than 1 person? No. Gays already have their rights & marriage isn't a right, nor is military service, so they have equal rights.
Aegius 2 years ago
we dont have the same right str8 people have!!! we have about half thankyou! and what your spouting is ridiculous incest is not the same as being gay you half wit! two non related men who are of legal age, give equal consent to marry one another is totally different. how would you like it if you were refused the right to marry the person you loved?
moviesman2008 2 years ago
Yes, you do have the same rights: vote, sit on juries, crimes against you are regarded as such. Marriage is NOT a right. Or is there a right to marry a person who refuses? I didn't compare same-sex to incest; I compared the grounds for same-sex to the grounds for incest: If your basis is equality, then why not allow siblings to marry? That is egalitarian. The ? is what is best for society, not for me. Now answer my questions that I provided.
Aegius 2 years ago
Well, Americans have the right to religious freedom. And, if it's part of a gay person's religion to be married, than shouldn't it be their right? Because if not, that means government would favor one religion over another. Which would go against the first amendment, and the establishment clause. Which is the law. And all i've seen you bring up are incest and people who refuse, pedophilia and bestiality. Which are all against the law. Homosexuality is not against the law.
CluppHead 2 years ago
"Gays already have their rights & marriage isn't a right, nor is military service, so they have equal rights."
Oh they do? Just like they did 30 years ago when Anita Bryant tried firing all gay teachers in public schools? Are you talking about those rights? You ignorant pig.
LiberalSanity 2 years ago
I'm living in 2009, not 1979. Please be more up to date. Thank you. & please answer the ?s that I have posed below. & Thank you further for insulting me. My side will win as your side as insults, and baseless, vacuous platitudes while my side seeks to keep the needs of society paramount and the needs of kids more important than the wants of adults as gay adults don't need marriage, but kids need moms & dads.
Aegius 2 years ago
Kids need PARENTS. That doesn't necessarily mean a mother and father. And those against gay marriage are known to be more insulting and more hateful than supporters. So why don't you take your fake intelligence your trying to convince us you have somewhere else, because you aren't wanted here.
RobertB559 2 years ago 3
This video is the kind of straw man employed by a cause without the intellectual merits to argue rationally and honestly and thus resort to scare tactics, protecting marriage = unfair search and seizures/ conscription and quartering of soldiers, quite a stretch.
A more realistic slippery slope would be the continued deterioration of the marriage criteria to accommodate polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia.
But hey, that would require a rational look at the law.
Speegs23 2 years ago
"marriage criteria to accommodate polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia." In fact the ACLU and radical feminists already have stated they favor legalizing polygamy. There are pro-polymory groups waiting too. The ACLU would defend NABLA in court over pedophilia & PETA & its allies inevitably will push for human:animal marriages. It will happen & people who don't think so are deluding themselves.
Aegius 2 years ago
What lie is that?
nnjhansen 2 years ago
This is not a question of separate but equal because no one is claiming that marriage is the same as a domestic partnership. They are two distinct institutions that are covered by two different sections of the CA Code.
Prop 8 defined marriage in the exact same manner it had been defined by the people of CA since the state's inception.
Homosexuals are entitled to marriage in the same manner as anyone else. They simply CHOOSE not to abide by the conditions attached to it.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
They have equal rights.
Civil marriage has nothing to do with religion. It is a civil institution that serves a legitimate civil interest.
What fundamental right are you speaking of? Homosexuals are able to be married subject to the same conditions and limitations as anyone else.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
You have a bizarre idea of freedom. What you want is benefits from someone who does not want to give them to you. Prop 8 does nothing to impede your freedom at all. You are free to live your life as you see fit with no interference from the state. What you are not able to do is get the benefits from society because you refuse to comply with the legitimate restrictions and conditions society has attached to those benefits.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
The whole fallacy of this series is the claim that marriage is a right. It's not. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? No. Your own siblings, parents, or immediate relatives? No. More than 1 person? No. Marriage requires consent & has restrictions just like driving a car or getting a vocational license(as consent comes from the state and there are restrictions). Are they rights too? No.
Aegius 2 years ago
cool
3timesfuny 2 years ago
wow lol
SoraXBri7 2 years ago
The fact that a marriage that can be performed in 3 states (soon in 6) cannot be recognized in other states just makes no sense at all. And let's say DOMA is repealled, the fact that a state may recognize certain marriages performed in other states but prohibits it to its own citizens makes no sense at all. It goes further than religious tolerance or educating society on homophobia, its just plain dumb simple common sense.
muellerican 2 years ago
The "full faith and credit" clause doesn't extend toward same-sex unions to be lawfully recognized in other states.
Fyrstorm180 2 years ago
Marriage has nothing to do with religion? I disagree, many synagogues, churches and temples perform same sex-marriage and it has to do, in part, with religious freedom. Now civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, even if it stems from religious law it is not religious when the State performs them. A good analogy I can think of is citizenship, either you are born into a religion or you convert, but once you're in you're in and that's the origin of State citizenship or nationalization.
muellerican 2 years ago
If they don't hurt you physically, or involve you directly Stfu about and take your bigotry somewhere else.
VerticalDeception 2 years ago
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Far from being "callous" or "brutal", Prop 8 is an act of TRUE CHRISTIAN CHARITY!!! What could be more CRUEL and INHUMANE than to stand idly by while those FILTHY FAG BRUTES condemn their immortal souls to Hell by gay-marrying each other!!! In the name of mercy and decency, all good Christians must come together and protect the fags from themselves and their sinful, soul-condemning proclivities!!! Prop 8 is for the fags' OWN GOOD!!!!
ItIsNotOkayToBeGay 2 years ago
Riddle me this, ItsNotOkayToBeGay,
MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION! Why do you give a fuck anyway? You really have nothing better to do with your life besides prevent a loving couple to get married? People like you sicken me.
EdginasaurusRex 2 years ago 2
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How can you say marriage has "nothing to do with religion"? It most DEFINITELY does. Marriage is as religious as ANY ritual can be: it is what sanctifies the union of man and woman, making the difference between sinful fornication and blessed matrimonial bliss. And for depraved, blasphemous fags (and their liberal, atheist enablers) to dilute and corrupt such an institution is an unforgivable affront to the mercy of the Almighty, which they should be stopped from committing for their OWN SAKE!!!
ItIsNotOkayToBeGay 2 years ago
thats all fine an dandy and i respect that to be your beliefs and i wouldn't want to try and change that about you because its your right to think that way. but when marriage becomes a part of law and its not just about having a title is about legality. health care taxes children ect your argument doesn't apply. no 1 asked for your church to recognize gay marriage just the state.And if they arent hurting you why would you care?
ozfan2themax 2 years ago
ozfan2themax makes a point church and state are ment to be seperate and i bet you see more strait married people divorced than you do gay married people and you know what my parent at married and theyve been together for like 30yr
people get married so they can take half of what the other person owns not becase they truely love each other if they did they wouldnt care to get married
jessep12345 2 years ago
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i loveeeee how gays think its crazy how conservatives compare gay marriage to beastiality and polygamy etc etc but its okay and acceptable to think that prop 8 will lead to slavery, rape, and pretty much chaos and no rights of any person! IDIOTS
mmunive21 2 years ago
It's Woody Tondorf! <3
gabichou26 2 years ago
LOL ur daugther is property of U.S army...lol
MrWatcher978 2 years ago
Ha ha, this may be my favorite... You guys are really funny and poignant.
Marriage Equality for All.
theknowbody 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ITS SAD THAT THESE ARE KINDA FUNNY.... in a - uh oh we're in trouble we should end prop 8 sorta way.
tfrobinhood 2 years ago
ok i think this is hell of funny and im a bisexual and a LOT of my friend's r gay 2 and they all love this, just cuz it give's us something 2 do. me and all my friend's want 2 thank all you people who respect and stand up for us gay people.
~BI 4 LIFE~
13renee3 2 years ago
why are people getting so mad its a joke
Ekiome 2 years ago
I'm all for letting gays marry, but I fail to see how voting against gay marriage will see my house taken over by the army and my daughter raped.
"Ever since Prop 8 passed, we can do whatever we want" - Just how many houses have been taken over by the army since Prop 8 passed?
I get that you're trying to be a bit funny, but you have to make a real argument at the same time. It is a serious issue and shouldn't be used as an excuse to practice your amateur drama skills.
shoein81 2 years ago
shut the fuck up this my be over dramatized but its partially true b/c of prop 8 and other gay marriage banning laws other rights could start to be taken away by the government, and don't say they won't do that b/c people think the government wont do alot of stuff until its too late
ilovecullen100594 2 years ago
yeah, rape is never something to joke about
ziltiod94 2 years ago
Nice BS propoganda going on here.
Likwidlyric 2 years ago
is prop 8 real?
Treggorz 2 years ago 2
yes
bBpro10 2 years ago
what exactly is it?
Treggorz 2 years ago
Brilliant!
rags847 2 years ago
Wow your a moron. The Constitution protects against illegal searches and seizures as well. Have you even read the patriot act? Cause the Constitution doesnt "protect" u anymore. You better open your ignorant eyes brother. Cause the document we hold so dear is losing ground to mindless citizens who could give a rats ass about it.
ORACLE063 2 years ago
People who write "your a moron" never fail to amuse me.
sklanger 2 years ago
: ) Oh yes.
harleyfiona 2 years ago
lol.. this would be nice too
victor2cutube 2 years ago
I fully support gay marriage. Huge opponent of Prop 8.
However, there is a flaw in the logic of this series. There's a huge difference between State law and Constitutional Law. In fact, the Constitution establishes State's rights in all matters not specifically mentioned (ie. Marriage) Therefore, as it is currently interpreted, it is against the constitution to step in and tell a State it is wrong for holding a legal vote on marriage law. Blame the state, not the fed.
cmaprice 2 years ago 5
but no state reserves the right to grant itself powers which usurp the Constitution. If the U.S. Supreme Court (the ONLY authority on the Constitution) decided the case and found that gay marriage is totally legitimate according to the Constitution then all states would have to abide by that ruling... so yeah, blame the Fed... just look at Roe v. Wade
charr05 2 years ago
Not necessarily. States are empowered to amend the Constitution through a constitutional convention. They, not the Court, would then have the final say.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
i was in the army, :)
AntarcticaMan81186 2 years ago
states rights and national rights are different dumbass
castlesnaredrum 2 years ago
Aaah, yay, civil liberties in the form of comedy...
Keep it coming!
Gaaaaaaaah what is it with people and their freaking stereotypical judgments?
xmenarutofan 2 years ago
Wow. Trying to get people on their side by bashing the U.S. military. Stupid!
Kettenring 2 years ago
It's not about the military, try watching it again with your eyes OPEN
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago 3
I've tried talking sense to you guys for a few weeks now and you still don't get it.
Marriage is a privalage, not a right. Gays still enjoy the same rights, such as the freedom of speech. But they can't get married to who ever they want. But just because of that doesn't mean that their "rights" were taken away.
Perhaps one day all of you will wake up and think, "That's what he meant. That makes sense." But I doubt that day will come because you all seem to shallow minded to think for once.
balinne 2 years ago
I suppose that technically you are correct in that it is a privilege.
However, the discrimination of prohibiting someone from a privilege based on nothing they've actually done runs counter to the principle of equality under the law.
The family aspect is also a moot point, thanks to adoption. It could be argued that dual-income households run counter to the idea of marriage, lacking a "homemaker".
And for the record, I'm against marriage. Not just gay marriage, all marriage.
SabreKitteh 2 years ago
Are you really that blind? Before Prop 8 was passed, Prop 22 was deemed "unconstitutional" by the CA Supreme Court. How the hell do you think 18,000 couples got married right before election day? They could marry then but not now. That means their right was taken away.
Marriage IS a right. In the Declar. of Indep., Thomas J. wrote that each citizen is given 3 INALIENABLE rights: "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness." MANY founding fathers believe that marriage constitutes as a right.
ryanahari 2 years ago
SabreKitteh down there gets it, that marriage is a privilage. You and everyone else that agrees with your skewed way of thinking seem to be the only ones not with the program.
Wouldn't you agree that someone who has their drivers license suspended would be entitled to have it back because it's their, so called, "right" to drive. Even though driving is a privilage and not a "right"? If that doesn't make sense, then you're more shallow minded then you've already made youself out to be.
balinne 2 years ago
If you say that marriage is a privilage, and everything, why not just make divorce illegal?
That's what it was like in the bible, right?
Make marriage like the mafia. Once you're in, you're in.
jasisweird777 2 years ago 6
that metaphor you made was stupid
DONT MAKE ARGUMENT THAT NO WORK.
because when people get their license suspended ITS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DESERVED it- drunk driving
you have the right to drive IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES because other wise people would be getting killed, more so, if you dont follow the rules then you shouldn't have the right to do that
ziltiod94 2 years ago
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And every single founding father saw marriage as the union of man and woman.
Claiming they saw marriage as a right does not mean they saw any other union as marriage.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
that means shit to nobody you dumb fuck... the founding fathers also thought human flight was impossible and that the universe could be understood mathematically but never experienced tangibly (through space travel... which we do everyday). They didn't know what electricity was, they hadn't the slightest clue about deterrence theory, communism, M.A.D, blitzkrieg, crude oil, genetics, or even modern economic principles... yet somehow, we don't all wear powdered wigs and knickerbockers do we!
charr05 2 years ago 7
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Maybe it is just a function of how youtube organizes responses that you missed the context of my comment. It was in response to ryanahari's comment concerning Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
I read it genius, I don't go into things half cocked. My point was, the founding fathers saw a LOT of things differently than we conceive them today... it is called progress, and you should try it... just the tip, just to see how it feels
charr05 2 years ago
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Then don't try to use the writings of one of the founders to buttress an argument that the author would never have conceived of.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
THEY NEVER MADE THIS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE YOU FUCKTARD... gay marriage was NOT an issue of import or discussion during the constitutional convention OR any early legislative assembly. We must thus use MODERN conceptions (how inventive!) to frame the debate.
According to your argument we should have no NASA because the founders never decided that the Vice-President should also be the chief staff member of our space exploration
charr05 2 years ago
I believe your argument is with the person who brought up Thomas Jefferson, not me.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
you know you think you fucking get, by how do would you feel if you were gay, and were told that you couldn't marry because you were gay.
it would suck, think from a gays perspective
i get what your trying to say, marriage not natural right, its a privilege, it sounds SMART. but its not fucking justice. its fucking discrimination.
what about blacks SITTING IN THE GOD DAM FRONT OF THE BUS. they could still ride the fucking bus, but its telling them 'YOUR NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DO WHAT US WHITES DO
ziltiod94 2 years ago 4
Why do people who wish to redefine marriage always try to equate it with race? The two situations are completely different. Homosexuals were never brought here against their will, held in bondage, denied their basic right to life and liberty. They have never been denied the right to read or vote. We fought the deadliest war in our history to rectify the mistakes we made in denying these rights on account of race and we amended the Constitution specifically to redress those wrongs.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
While the two situations are definitely not the same, and anyone who says they're exactly the same is an idiot, there are *comparisons* in how two different groups have been discriminated against throughout history and denied equal treatment under the law. I don't want to get into an argument about who has been more oppressed [which also ignores the existence of black gay people]. I want to be able to help find common ground in standing up for what's right - everyone should be equal.
evolveordissolve 2 years ago 3
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There is no comparison. Blacks were denied equal treatment because of who they were. Homosexuals want special treatment because of what they choose to do.
The current marriage law in CA treats everyone equally.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
So... because you say that someone shouldn't fall in love with someone else of the same sex, your wishes should get to dictate our lives? Also, is being religious something someone is born with and can't change, or is it something someone chooses? If it's the latter, why are people protected to follow the religion they want but not to be safe loving the person they're in love with?
evolveordissolve 2 years ago 2
I couldn't care less who anyone falls in love with and neither does the state. You are confusing personal, individual reasons for marriage and the state's interest.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your religion analogy.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
Amen to that, evolveordissolve!
I love your name, by the way.
EdginasaurusRex 2 years ago
you don't choose who you are attracted to.
ChokaBlack 2 years ago 6
so what?
nnjhansen 2 years ago
yes BUT. if there were gays during those time they would have been treated the same. the two situations are not exactly the same, but they are similar. people being judged for who they are
ziltiod94 2 years ago
Are you saying homosexuality is exclusively a 20-21st century phenomenon?
There is NOTHING comparable about the experience of blacks and the experience of homosexuals in America. NOTHING.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
this series says alot...if u think about it when people take away the rights of gays they arent just gays, they're people, just like everyone else. everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness and when people get into their religions guess what...its not about you or your religion. whats wrong to u is not necessarily wrong to another person. it's not doing the "right" thing by not allowing gay marriage, ur demeaning these people just because of their sexuality.
tch822 2 years ago
Why do people hate these videos? I think they're well-constructed and funny.
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gsimon363 2 years ago
Lol these videos are stupid, prop 8 doesn't do any of this...
tubo222555 2 years ago
the point of this video is to show that by prop 8, the government has taken away the basic rights of the people to practice freedom of religion without discrimination.
they are taking away other basic rights of people in the videos to show how stupid prop 8 was.
get it???
pandaeXpressiions 2 years ago
The comparison drawn in these videos is stupid and meant to scare people. Prop 8 did not say the military could come and kill gays. The only comparison that can be made is a heterosexual couple planning to get married and then outlawing that marriage. These videos are stupid.
tubo222555 2 years ago
they aren't to scare people (how are they scary?). they are to show the hypocrisy of the law by taking away peoples rights as stated in the constitution.
pandaeXpressiions 2 years ago
Where does it say in the constitution that you have the right to gay marriage? And it has to be a direct quote stating EXACTLY that! Such as, "every American has the right to gay marriage." Show me where is says EXACTLY that word for word in the constitution, and I'll agree with it, that it is a right.
balinne 2 years ago
it doesn't have to say exactly, juts fall under that category. it says everyone had the right to freedom of religion. doesn't marriage fall under that category?
pandaeXpressiions 2 years ago 2
Hahaha!!! Ok, I'm going to make an argument that I lose a lot of people on. Are you ready?
If it's not in the constitution exactly as I stated it, then it's not in there, therefore, it's not a RIGHT. The freedom of marriage and religion are two different rights. You cannot mesh two rights together! That's an idiotic thing to do!
balinne 2 years ago
But here's where I lose people... God calls homosexuality, an abomination. That's why it's wrong, there is no other reason for it. If God wasn't real, there would be no right or wrong. God lays down the foundation for not only our laws, but also our lives. No matter how you look at it, the laws that God has given us have shaped the laws we have today. That's why gay marriage, as a whole is illegal. The same as theft and murder, it's wrong because God says it is. Did I lose you yet?
balinne 2 years ago
god also says homosexuals should be put to death... and cheaters... so if someone cheats on their husband/wife, we should kill them... I have the utmost respect for the christian religion. I ask that you show the same respect toward gays. Let's say being gay was a choice (I disagree, but anyway), so is your religion. I don't disturb you for making what is, in my opinion, the wrong choice of religion. you should not bother me because I, in your opinion, make the wrong choice of sexual orientation
speakOUTtaketwo 2 years ago 2
It's not a matter of my opinion towards your choice in sexual orientation [which it is a choice]. It's the fact that God calls homosexuality an abomination. In other words, that means it's wrong. My opinion doesn't matter, I'm simply stating it. But what matters is what God tells us. So many people have given up on God... It says in the end times, the truth will become lies, and lies will become truth. It is happening right now. This is just one of the lies God was refering to.
balinne 2 years ago
seriously if your really against gay marriage then don't marry a gay person. What does gay people getting married have to do with you if your not gay it's really none of your concern. This country was founded on the principle of a separation of church and state any reference to god or the bible should have no standing when it comes to public policies.
jonetr01 2 years ago 3
god isn't real. if god's real, then santa clause, the tooth fairy, & the easter bunny exist.
ryanahari 2 years ago 9
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Fukin athiest Shut up about your Opinion
Coolkid174 2 years ago
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GO FUCK A PREIST
dduble07 2 years ago
Suck my dick, Christfag! Go pray to the cosmic, Jewish zombie you worship.
ryanahari 2 years ago 7
thats the way i think
god is like santa clause, to keep you good and reward you at winter, which in universal symbolism, represents death
but then you grow up and hes not actually there and then you SAD FACE :(
ziltiod94 2 years ago
where in the bible does it say that?
MilexProductions 2 years ago
So if it says I have the right to own a gun [which it does] and I have the right to the pursuit of happiness [which it does] and if killing people makes me happy, then I should have a right to do that seeing as how I have a right to a gun and happiness. Wouldn't you agree that I am then given the right to shoot whom ever I pleased because it was a right given to me by my country? And remember, both those rights are in the constitution, but it doesn't say that exactly. : p
balinne 2 years ago
ok fine you win.
im done wasting my life arguing to people over youtube.
ps - gay marriage doesn't kill anyone :]
pandaeXpressiions 2 years ago
it kills me...from the inside :/
cjude87 2 years ago
hahaha you made me laugh.
you get a gold star :]
pandaeXpressiions 2 years ago