@October31st1517 right I worded that kind of funny. I meant following the doctrine placed by God that John Calvin is known for (even though it's just interpreting the bible). Basically just following Christ. Thanks for reproof brother
To ARMINIANS -Romans 11:32 "for God has shut up all to unbelief, that he might have mercy on all".
To CALVINISTS -1 Timothy 4:10"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of ALL MEN ESPECIALLY y of those believing."
DOUBTERS I Cor. 15:23-28"But every man in his own order:..For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet..last enemy...destroyed is DEATH... Son also Himself be subject unto Him..that God may be ALL IN ALL"
This made me laugh. I caught all the logic puzzles you were pointing out. One of them was kinda funny for a different reason. Where we could take all this to "why do you pray at all as an Arminianist?", I realize that they could ask the same of Cal's, citing that logically Cal's don't need to pray if "it's all predetermined." However, that criticism is shortsighted based on a misunderstanding of prayer. The caricature prayer was great! Now, correct your spelling. :P
@Habakkuk2v20 Oops... change that a little. That criticism of Calvinists is shortsighted AND based on a misunderstand of prayer AND CALVINISM. Sorry, I left that last part off originally.
there is not a drop of evidence that hell is eternal and if you think so then by all mean send my a message and I will gladly refute your argument : )
Forgive my perplexity, but whenever an Arminian prays, I feel a strong urge to dump a glass of iced water on their heads to pull them out of the woefully irrational trance that they have placed themselves in. Their words with regards to themselves are so utterly self-congratulatory in site of their own maker that it makes my skin crawl.
I hope this guy does some serious scriptural pondering on the verses you provided for him.
The main point: If one believes God does not change the will of a man to see the glory of God, and thereafter believe and choose Him, isn't it inconsistent for that person to then ask God to change the will of Calvinists to see this alleged error in their theology? If our theology truly doesn't allow God sovereignty over our will, then we should pray the way Spurgeon caricatured. But if we pray like that, certainly we are boasting in ourselves. This poses another theological problem entirely!
It seems the main point of this video is to pose this question: If one believes that God does not change the will of a man to see the glory of God, and thereafter believe and choose Him, isn't it inconsistent to ask God to change the will of Calvinists to see this alleged error in their theology? If this claim is true (and I think the argument is sound), then we need to either change the way we pray, or permit our theology to allow God power to influence the human will.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and *cause* you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
All this use of the word "force" is giving me a headache. Let's use the Biblical/scientific word "cause." The fact is that the Bible teaches us that God causes us to obey Him.
the real Bible, the KJB, doesnt say what your fake bible says in 1Sam 2:25 ---If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them. --it doesnt say the Lord deired to kill him. no wonder you adhere to a whacked out theology. you have a perverted "bible"
Sorry, but the english is NOT inspired. I am interested in what the prophets & apostles had to say. Not some baby sprinkling, Calvinistic translator had to say. I am a student. You are not.
Which Hebrew and Greek is the same as the autographs, Mark? There are many manuscripts, false and true. Which one is right, or are you gullible enough to think there aren't any corrupt Hebrew and Greek manuscripts? Even Paul said there "are many which corrupt the word of God".
So your saying that we no longer have the word of God? Now you will say the TR is the insired text, but what if i can show you that the TR and the KJV argue with eachother? Would that be worth something to you?
First, let me say, I love the video. That prayer of Spurgeons get's me laughing every time.
I've pretty been much in agreement with you up until you committed this fallacy, "I am a student. You are not." as if that fact somehow bolsters your argument. It doesn't. It only reeks of arrogance. Might want to reconsider that.
LOLFunny687 is some teenager with a webcam, parrotting what he has been told about Calvinism, rather than letting them speak in context for themselves. I'm praying for him to be a little more honest...
Ever notice entire passages of the OT are omitted in Sunday School so as not to scare kids? Now our culture does not fear God. CHRIST said, "...fear the One Who can send your soul to hell."
If God desired to kill people, those people "needed killin." And if He is NOT sovereign, if people "have something over on Him"--then He's not a god at all. In that case, he'd be just like us.
What good is an idol god I can control? I want the YAHWEH of the Bible. And I WANT HIM to control me.
By the way, the end of the video made you sound very pompous. I mean, everyone does have the same chance. Everyone can go to heaven if they accept God's Grace. It's not just a select few that you happen to be a part of.
From what I've heard from some Calvinists, yes, God would deny people. I've had a Calvinist say to me that God hand picks who will go to heaven and who will not, not giving the people He picks to not go to heaven the opportunity to ask forgiveness.
I believe that this is wrong and that it's more of a two-way deal. Not that God forces us into asking for forgiveness and not that we ask for forgiveness on our own. It's more of God influences us and some accept his gift.
I cannot believe that there is any one person that does not have some good in them. Some people have more good in them than others for sure, but there is still some natural good qualities in all people. It is those good qualities which allow us to seek God, not him controlling us as that is against what he has done in giving us free will.
Calvin was a radical and a human being. Read the bible and follow it. Don't just blindly follow the teachings of a human being.
This is Calvinism in a nutshell, we dont' believe we have any good in us that enables us to believe and we won't believe unless drawn and made alive by the God himself. (1st Corinthians 2:8-16)
Why do we believe what we do? Because we study the bible and we see election, predestination, and Gods Sovereignty over and over again.
He's not asking God to FORCE you to see the truth... only that the Holy Spirit will speak to you, and you will get off your high horse and listen for once...
This video sure shows us what kind of people you guys truly are.
So Kloudes, is the Holy Spirit not already doing that to every unbeliever who hears the gospel? Is he not already trying his best and putting out his 100% effort to save unbelievers and us calvinists. Are we asking him, when we pray for someone, to do more than he already is trying to do? If we fail to pray for someone, then what does it matter? Even Norman Geisler said that God will save as many as he could without violating their free will. So why pray Kloudes?
The belief of the Arminian is that man chooses God. The belief of a Calvinist is that God CHOSE you. Do God choose you or did you choose God? And if you did choose God, doesn't that contradict the fact that we are CHOSEN as Scripture states?
I love your percentages! Let me ask again, would it make you feel better if 95% were predestined to heaven and only 5% to hell? Would you be OK with those odds?
I think you have let your eye become envious of whom God will have mercy. Matthew 20 paints a grim picture of you grumbling.
no, it would not make me 'feel better' if 99% were predestined to heaven, because its still heresy.
God doesn't force us to love Him.
I defend myself on that point, I've already talked with you before, I know that you are going to stick with calvinism, and I'm not not going to go to calvinism, so I'm done now..
The underlying assumption you are advancing is that you are more just than God is, unless you are going to dabble in Open-theism you must admit God allowed the Fall in Genesis 3 knowing full well that the majority of humanity, comparatively speaking, was going to hell.
Laras said: "He does not force me to serve Him like the tyrant you make Him out to be."
What a tired old mischaracterization. There is nothing "tyrannical" about ressurecting a DEAD sinner to life. We dont hear any complaints when Lazarus was raised from the Dead - and he certainly didnt make any "freewill decision" to be raised. We also dont hear any complaints when Paul was converted on his way to arrest Christians.
God is in control. Stop worshipping a false Jesus that puts you in control.
why attack my prayer at the end of my 2 video series? not to mention, you make it seem like i just put up a video for the sole purpose of praying for Calvinists.
nor did you even provide a link to the original video man..
nor did you even let me know of what you did here, I'm glad someone showed me.
why attack my prayer with lies about what I believe?
you made things up which I clearly pointed out just before the prayer in the 2 part video
since when is praying in public a bad thing?I do pray in private.
this man, october31st1517 subscribed to me and friended me and a day later posts this video attacking a prayer of mine(without even telling me he did this or even posting a link to my video) so his calvinist buddies can get a laugh.
If that's what he did then perhaps you should confront him about that. That's not right if he did, but even so, Matthew 6:4-6says for us to pray in public. And furthermore, why are you praying like that anyway? You honestly don't believe that
Your whole argument hinges on the concept of "free will." Since your entire argument consists of defending "free will" I would ask you:
1) What exactly is the "will"? 2) Once you have defined "will," I would like to know: How or in what sense is this "will" free? [In other words, the will--whatever it is--is "free" from what?]
I ask these things because I've found that many Arminians are "defending to the death" a concept [free will] they've never actually thought through or defined.
Scribe! Our sovereign God has brought us together once again. [I hope that didn't come across as too Calvinistic....I mean, I really did want to be here...it doesn't seem forced at all.] ;)
It's great to read you defending the Faith, brother!
LOL, strange how compatibilism fleshes itself out...I look forward to a future synergistic apologetic endeavor with you ( I hope I wasn't too arminianistic ...) :)
Please please stop all of the argueing over doctrine. PLEASE! We need to share the gospel, and whether people are saved through free will or predestination will not matter in the end. I do not make videos, but lately I see so much of this. It has increased greatly. I see gracious rebukes and disrespectful mockery on both sides. We as Christians are better than this. ...aren't we?
The fact that this kid would post a public prayer like this also violates Matthew 6:5
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
He prays to God saying that "he knows for a FACT" what kind of God He isnt, but I dont hear him praying to God confessing what kind of man this guy is. Correct me if I am wrong, but everytime I pray, I always confess to God what kind of sinner I am and what is wrong with me, and I EXALT everything I do know about God based on what I learn from solascriptura.
I love it. You can't help but pray as a Calvinist.
"LORD please open their eyes!"
But how is God supposed to bring this request to pass if He is helpless and subservient to man's almighty will? How can God open someone's eyes without changing their will? How does God bring the unwilling to a state of willingness?
Is God a puppet-master and man a puppet? A puppet-master does not create the material out of which the puppet is made nor does he control the puppet's thoughts. Puppets have no thoughts.They have no wills to control.
No, man is not a puppet. According to the Bible man is a lump of clay. Man is a lump of clay that God breathed the breath of life into, and out of the same lump God can choose to save some and not others.This is entirely up to God. It is His sovereign choice.
Words such as how you exalt your own choices over God's? I feel sorry for you Arminians. Is your faith in Jesus so incredibly weak you have to imagine you could somehow add to it with your works as if anything you could do could have your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life in accordance with your own merit?
Oh and if Christians took the time to ask.... I am not Arminian. I am born again in the spirit and Jesus Christ paid the price for my sins. He is my best friend , the most faithful and gentle savior, master and Lord. Nothing else matters.
Your wording is very odd, as if you call yourself "born again" yet not Christian. Anyway, you showed yourself a person who likes to make blanket statements, so I only returned the favor using a majority of words from your own statement.
God shows us Truth in scripture, and the scripture couldn't be more clear: God saves whomever He wills.
"So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy...Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens" (Rom 9:16,18).
That God is sovereign in all things--including salvation--is the clear and consistent testimony of holy scripture.
We must follow the God & Christ of scripture, not the god/christ of our own mental construct.
Nobody is baiting you. You spoke of "Christians" as if they were a group separate from yourself, which I found odd. As for God picking and choosing who "receives the good news" (which I'm sure you are using as a euphemism for salvation), of course I believe that. It is what the Bible teaches.
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I feel sorry for calvinists, is your faith in Jesus so incredibly weak you have to imagine God already chose you so nothing you could do could have your name wiped out of the book of life. Be friends with Jesus, talk to our heavenly father, ask him to make you fit for heaven and trust him.. Your faith is from God yes, you dont need calvernism at all.
Quit being a flip-flopper. Just like you are flip-flopping on the KJV, you are flip-flopping on calvinism. It was just yesterday that you questioned whether calvinism was true.
Like I told you yesterday, whether you stay a Calvinist or not - I still consider you a brother. But please, make up your mind and pick a side already.
Jordan -- if what theheat151 says is true, then I can only *encourage* continue to keep seeking the truth. Test all things in light of scripture!
A dear friend who discipled me in many matters of holiness "flippedflopped" for awhile, too: On those very issues, in fact. As he grew and studied and learned, he sometimes saw the point of one and then another, but eventually he saw the unified message of scripture as a whole. In the end, his discipleship also led me to see the doctrines of grace.
Jordan -- I know your grief. I have had beloved friends turn on me because as they were in the midst of their spiritual infancy, others would have them believe I were as good as a cult and had nothing to do with Christ.
I am always pleased to talk scripture with those who disagree on the grounds of things they have understood through scripture. These peaceful discussions encourage my own reading of the Bible. What hurts me is all the strawmen and wild accusations that are being made by some.
Laras420, I would humbly ask that you buy a book on Sovereign Grace (not an anti-calvinist ruckman book). The Doctrines of Grace by Boice/Ryken is a good easy to read item (sound doctrinal books can be hard reads sometimes).
A Calvinist (so-called) does not love God for fear of hell but because He loved us first. He is the author and finisher of our faith. We grow in faith and sactification with His guiding hand not by threats of damnation. All Glory goes to Him.
Thanks for being nice, i like nice. You know stead, i personally could find it incredibly easy to be a calvinist. I can pin point the exact moment God tapped me on the shoulder as a kid and held my hand till he filled me with his holy spirit, he is so perfect i didnt want to " come too" He has pulled me literally from the brink of Hell, when my heart began to hate. Jesus was my invisible chiidhood friend even before i knew what he did for me. Just wont say he died for one and not another
Thanks, don't take any aggression you may see too seriously. You're no stranger to Youtube...as you know; everyone is expecting trolling so we can be defensive from time to time.
It is a hard doctrine and there is a lot of misinformation out there about it. But look into. Even those people I know that still disagree have an appreciation for the doctrine after they have studied the theology and history of it.
"I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me."
"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,"
Poor Arminian kid didn't have a chance. He started out by shooting himself in the foot.
Funny, I looked for "'accepting Jesus"' in the bible. Closest thing I found was in the Eph 1:6 KJV, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein HE hath made US accepted in the beloved.
I'll keep looking. It's got to be there somewhere ;)
You couldn't find where people need to "accept Jesus" in scripture?
"or another gospel, which YE HAVE NOT ACCEPTED, ye might well bear with [him] 2 Cor. 11;4
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT! Matt. 23:37
"'What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men"'
Some how that fits with that fellow. But I just smile rather than argue with a wall :-)
And yours is not? Whenever I watch one of your videos you're always prideful and acting like you know everything. Why not admit that you have no clue like the rest of us and get off your high horse?
The word 'accept' in your definition is pregnant w/ assumption... we are looking for a clear verse that substantiates your assertion, the aforementioned speaks to to different issues, none which plead with the sinner to accept Christ in a soteriological fashion by virtue of his autonomous 'freewill'.
I'll have to disagree with you in 1:24. I can agree with you that God desires to kill those who unrighteously violates his laws but God does not enjoy killing people.
Excellent point. I had the same feeling, but could not remember the verse that spoke of God not having pleasure in the death of the wicked. Thanks for posting it here.
When will these Arminians get it... following Calvin's doctrine IS following Christ!!
HosannaHM 6 months ago
@HosannaHM It's not Calvin's doctrine. Calvinism has nothing to do with John Calvin, But it has everything to do what the bible says.
October31st1517 6 months ago
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MrMilesproductions 6 months ago
@October31st1517 right I worded that kind of funny. I meant following the doctrine placed by God that John Calvin is known for (even though it's just interpreting the bible). Basically just following Christ. Thanks for reproof brother
HosannaHM 6 months ago
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To ARMINIANS -Romans 11:32 "for God has shut up all to unbelief, that he might have mercy on all".
To CALVINISTS -1 Timothy 4:10"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of ALL MEN ESPECIALLY y of those believing."
DOUBTERS I Cor. 15:23-28"But every man in his own order:..For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet..last enemy...destroyed is DEATH... Son also Himself be subject unto Him..that God may be ALL IN ALL"
motibi 6 months ago
Learn to spell and use punctuation.
Habakkuk2v20 7 months ago
@Habakkuk2v20 Oh, I touched a nerve. How about commenting on the video 's topic?
October31st1517 7 months ago
@October31st1517 Sure!
This made me laugh. I caught all the logic puzzles you were pointing out. One of them was kinda funny for a different reason. Where we could take all this to "why do you pray at all as an Arminianist?", I realize that they could ask the same of Cal's, citing that logically Cal's don't need to pray if "it's all predetermined." However, that criticism is shortsighted based on a misunderstanding of prayer. The caricature prayer was great! Now, correct your spelling. :P
Habakkuk2v20 7 months ago
@Habakkuk2v20 Oops... change that a little. That criticism of Calvinists is shortsighted AND based on a misunderstand of prayer AND CALVINISM. Sorry, I left that last part off originally.
Habakkuk2v20 7 months ago
there is not a drop of evidence that hell is eternal and if you think so then by all mean send my a message and I will gladly refute your argument : )
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
Forgive my perplexity, but whenever an Arminian prays, I feel a strong urge to dump a glass of iced water on their heads to pull them out of the woefully irrational trance that they have placed themselves in. Their words with regards to themselves are so utterly self-congratulatory in site of their own maker that it makes my skin crawl.
I hope this guy does some serious scriptural pondering on the verses you provided for him.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
Excellent video. Maybe that guy was just trying to be funny, a comedian, after all, he does have LOL in his name!
NewDirection4us 1 year ago
The main point: If one believes God does not change the will of a man to see the glory of God, and thereafter believe and choose Him, isn't it inconsistent for that person to then ask God to change the will of Calvinists to see this alleged error in their theology? If our theology truly doesn't allow God sovereignty over our will, then we should pray the way Spurgeon caricatured. But if we pray like that, certainly we are boasting in ourselves. This poses another theological problem entirely!
JohnoPete 1 year ago
@JohnoPete And that point is?
October31st1517 1 year ago
It seems the main point of this video is to pose this question: If one believes that God does not change the will of a man to see the glory of God, and thereafter believe and choose Him, isn't it inconsistent to ask God to change the will of Calvinists to see this alleged error in their theology? If this claim is true (and I think the argument is sound), then we need to either change the way we pray, or permit our theology to allow God power to influence the human will.
JohnoPete 1 year ago
Psalm 119:165
*Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble.
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago
And this is why children ought not speak when adults are..Just listen....and thanks for the prayer... ; )
Vargsvideoblogs 2 years ago
CALVINISM IS THE GOSPEL (=
xlazym0nk3yx 2 years ago 7
amen lol what a coincidence its me menooa drummer
menooa123 2 years ago
This young man is praying that God would urge your heart, reveal something to you and help you to listen, not force you to do so.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Amen! This video completely ignores that and argues against something that isn't even there.
wuteverfloatsurkayak 2 years ago
Ezekiel 36:26-28 KJV
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and *cause* you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
ajlightbearer 2 years ago
All this use of the word "force" is giving me a headache. Let's use the Biblical/scientific word "cause." The fact is that the Bible teaches us that God causes us to obey Him.
ajlightbearer 2 years ago
I could also talk about the differences between the words "shall" and "will." God will and man shall.
Will, simply put, is show a desire to do something.
Shall, however, is a word denoting certainty. Every time God says something shall happen, it does.
Is it coincidence that, in this passage, every time God refers to Himself, He says He will, but every time He refers to man, He says that man shall?
No coincidence there. God is sovereign. Man is not.
ajlightbearer 2 years ago
the real Bible, the KJB, doesnt say what your fake bible says in 1Sam 2:25 ---If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them. --it doesnt say the Lord deired to kill him. no wonder you adhere to a whacked out theology. you have a perverted "bible"
filoIII 2 years ago
Sorry, but the english is NOT inspired. I am interested in what the prophets & apostles had to say. Not some baby sprinkling, Calvinistic translator had to say. I am a student. You are not.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Which Hebrew and Greek is the same as the autographs, Mark? There are many manuscripts, false and true. Which one is right, or are you gullible enough to think there aren't any corrupt Hebrew and Greek manuscripts? Even Paul said there "are many which corrupt the word of God".
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
So your saying that we no longer have the word of God? Now you will say the TR is the insired text, but what if i can show you that the TR and the KJV argue with eachother? Would that be worth something to you?
October31st1517 2 years ago
First, let me say, I love the video. That prayer of Spurgeons get's me laughing every time.
I've pretty been much in agreement with you up until you committed this fallacy, "I am a student. You are not." as if that fact somehow bolsters your argument. It doesn't. It only reeks of arrogance. Might want to reconsider that.
ajlightbearer 2 years ago
Hahaha! This is great!
kat02dolick 2 years ago
The idea of "Freewill" is a mythical invention of Satan designed to appeal to sinners Lust for God's Power.
Freewill is PowerLust!
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
LOLFunny687 is some teenager with a webcam, parrotting what he has been told about Calvinism, rather than letting them speak in context for themselves. I'm praying for him to be a little more honest...
Wired4Truth 2 years ago
Ever notice entire passages of the OT are omitted in Sunday School so as not to scare kids? Now our culture does not fear God. CHRIST said, "...fear the One Who can send your soul to hell."
If God desired to kill people, those people "needed killin." And if He is NOT sovereign, if people "have something over on Him"--then He's not a god at all. In that case, he'd be just like us.
What good is an idol god I can control? I want the YAHWEH of the Bible. And I WANT HIM to control me.
fruitofspirit 2 years ago
By the way, the end of the video made you sound very pompous. I mean, everyone does have the same chance. Everyone can go to heaven if they accept God's Grace. It's not just a select few that you happen to be a part of.
morsusmihi 2 years ago
Sure, God wouldn't deny anyone... it's just that no one would ask.
ForgedInStone 2 years ago
From what I've heard from some Calvinists, yes, God would deny people. I've had a Calvinist say to me that God hand picks who will go to heaven and who will not, not giving the people He picks to not go to heaven the opportunity to ask forgiveness.
I believe that this is wrong and that it's more of a two-way deal. Not that God forces us into asking for forgiveness and not that we ask for forgiveness on our own. It's more of God influences us and some accept his gift.
morsusmihi 2 years ago
That's Hyper-Calvinism which is not the historical Calvinism.
Calvin said that man is so depraved, he will not choose God. It's not that God will deny Salvation, it's just that nobody would ask.
ForgedInStone 2 years ago
I cannot believe that there is any one person that does not have some good in them. Some people have more good in them than others for sure, but there is still some natural good qualities in all people. It is those good qualities which allow us to seek God, not him controlling us as that is against what he has done in giving us free will.
Calvin was a radical and a human being. Read the bible and follow it. Don't just blindly follow the teachings of a human being.
morsusmihi 2 years ago
Read the bible you say. I totally agree.
You say we have good qualities. And from a worldly view, I'd agree..
BUT the bible says, Why callest thou me good? there is NONE GOOD but one, that is, God Matt 19:17
You said, we have good qualities which allow us to seek God.
BUT the bible says, There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:9-11
It also says, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him .John 6:44
pt2 coming
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
pt 2
This is Calvinism in a nutshell, we dont' believe we have any good in us that enables us to believe and we won't believe unless drawn and made alive by the God himself. (1st Corinthians 2:8-16)
Why do we believe what we do? Because we study the bible and we see election, predestination, and Gods Sovereignty over and over again.
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
He was praying for God to help you, not for God to force you.
There's a difference between a puppet master and a guiding light.
morsusmihi 2 years ago
Kloudes, please answer the questions I posted below
iahm87 2 years ago
He's not asking God to FORCE you to see the truth... only that the Holy Spirit will speak to you, and you will get off your high horse and listen for once...
This video sure shows us what kind of people you guys truly are.
Kloudes 2 years ago
So Kloudes, is the Holy Spirit not already doing that to every unbeliever who hears the gospel? Is he not already trying his best and putting out his 100% effort to save unbelievers and us calvinists. Are we asking him, when we pray for someone, to do more than he already is trying to do? If we fail to pray for someone, then what does it matter? Even Norman Geisler said that God will save as many as he could without violating their free will. So why pray Kloudes?
iahm87 2 years ago
I serve Jesus Christ, but He does not force me to serve Him like the tyrant you make Him out to be.
I am not an Arminian.
Calvinists and Arminians both have the incorrect view of atonement.
The atonement is Unconditional.
the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus Christ, is, however, limited to those who put their faith in His finished work at the cross.
Not to mention, Arminianism traditionally believes one can lose salvation(thus invoking works+faith)
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
LOL I don't know why they keep saying we're "arminian" - we are followers of Christ. BTW, love ya name lolol
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
hey thanks lol,
spent 10 minutes making up a name and all were taken so I thought it was funny and put in this and got it :)
and yeah, anything that isn't 'calvinist' to them is an arminian
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
@solarisgalrocks
The belief of the Arminian is that man chooses God. The belief of a Calvinist is that God CHOSE you. Do God choose you or did you choose God? And if you did choose God, doesn't that contradict the fact that we are CHOSEN as Scripture states?
theheat151 1 year ago
I serve Jesus Christ, but He does not force me to serve Him like the tyrant you make Him out to be.
Amen to that, we serve because he is our lord, our saviour, our King and we love him.
Laras420 2 years ago
yeah, God of calvinism forces people to love him.
My God is a King,
not a tyrant/dictator forcing 95% of His creation to burn in hell and forcing the other 5% to love him like in calvinism
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
I love your percentages! Let me ask again, would it make you feel better if 95% were predestined to heaven and only 5% to hell? Would you be OK with those odds?
I think you have let your eye become envious of whom God will have mercy. Matthew 20 paints a grim picture of you grumbling.
Freewillheresy 2 years ago
you already asked me this question before.
I'll answer again.
no, it would not make me 'feel better' if 99% were predestined to heaven, because its still heresy.
God doesn't force us to love Him.
I defend myself on that point, I've already talked with you before, I know that you are going to stick with calvinism, and I'm not not going to go to calvinism, so I'm done now..
peace-
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
So LOLFunny,
The underlying assumption you are advancing is that you are more just than God is, unless you are going to dabble in Open-theism you must admit God allowed the Fall in Genesis 3 knowing full well that the majority of humanity, comparatively speaking, was going to hell.
scribe7580 2 years ago
Is God your king because you allowed Him to be?
October31st1517 2 years ago
Laras said: "He does not force me to serve Him like the tyrant you make Him out to be."
What a tired old mischaracterization. There is nothing "tyrannical" about ressurecting a DEAD sinner to life. We dont hear any complaints when Lazarus was raised from the Dead - and he certainly didnt make any "freewill decision" to be raised. We also dont hear any complaints when Paul was converted on his way to arrest Christians.
God is in control. Stop worshipping a false Jesus that puts you in control.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
I am not a puppet.
attacking my prayer is nice though, thanks.
why don't you respond to the points i brought up in the 15 minutes+ before the prayer?
I am neither a puppet of Satan nor God. you seem to think we are all puppets and God has made some perverted movie that we are all partaking in.
Calvinism is monergism is fatalism is incompatibilism.
check my channel playlist for 'Calvinism' videos.
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
why don't you respond to the points i brought up in the 15 minutes+ before the prayer?
It's in the works.
October31st1517 2 years ago
I don't understand though.
why attack my prayer at the end of my 2 video series? not to mention, you make it seem like i just put up a video for the sole purpose of praying for Calvinists.
nor did you even provide a link to the original video man..
nor did you even let me know of what you did here, I'm glad someone showed me.
why attack my prayer with lies about what I believe?
you made things up which I clearly pointed out just before the prayer in the 2 part video
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
I'm not claiming to be God or anything, neither am I trying to judge you, but this prayer of yours seems evry insincere.
You do not need to pray like that in public. This seems very contentious to me. You should've done this in private.
vekl 2 years ago
since when is praying in public a bad thing?I do pray in private.
this man, october31st1517 subscribed to me and friended me and a day later posts this video attacking a prayer of mine(without even telling me he did this or even posting a link to my video) so his calvinist buddies can get a laugh.
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
If that's what he did then perhaps you should confront him about that. That's not right if he did, but even so, Matthew 6:4-6says for us to pray in public. And furthermore, why are you praying like that anyway? You honestly don't believe that
calvinists worship a false god?
vekl 2 years ago
Your whole argument hinges on the concept of "free will." Since your entire argument consists of defending "free will" I would ask you:
1) What exactly is the "will"? 2) Once you have defined "will," I would like to know: How or in what sense is this "will" free? [In other words, the will--whatever it is--is "free" from what?]
I ask these things because I've found that many Arminians are "defending to the death" a concept [free will] they've never actually thought through or defined.
spgdmin 2 years ago
spgdmin,
Our paths finally 'cross' again. :)
scribe7580 2 years ago
Scribe! Our sovereign God has brought us together once again. [I hope that didn't come across as too Calvinistic....I mean, I really did want to be here...it doesn't seem forced at all.] ;)
It's great to read you defending the Faith, brother!
spgdmin 2 years ago
LOL, strange how compatibilism fleshes itself out...I look forward to a future synergistic apologetic endeavor with you ( I hope I wasn't too arminianistic ...) :)
scribe7580 2 years ago
If God is able to open the unbeliever's eyes without violating their free will, then why does he not do that to everybody.
If God is already trying his 100% to save an unbeliever, then why pray for someone to be saved? Are we asking God to do 110%?
iahm87 2 years ago
Please please stop all of the argueing over doctrine. PLEASE! We need to share the gospel, and whether people are saved through free will or predestination will not matter in the end. I do not make videos, but lately I see so much of this. It has increased greatly. I see gracious rebukes and disrespectful mockery on both sides. We as Christians are better than this. ...aren't we?
imlivn4him 2 years ago
Great Video, my brother!!
Haukman66 2 years ago
The fact that this kid would post a public prayer like this also violates Matthew 6:5
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
What a show off. This is false humility!!
vekl 2 years ago
why don't you watch the 2 videos I posted vekl?
I'm not showing off anything.
I've never seen Christians attack a 19 year old kid for saying a prayer at the end of a 2 part video series.
This guy makes it out to look like I just posted a video to pray for calvinists as the sole purpose.
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
He prays to God saying that "he knows for a FACT" what kind of God He isnt, but I dont hear him praying to God confessing what kind of man this guy is. Correct me if I am wrong, but everytime I pray, I always confess to God what kind of sinner I am and what is wrong with me, and I EXALT everything I do know about God based on what I learn from solascriptura.
zmode82 2 years ago
Good video brother Mark!
AnihiIus 2 years ago
I love it. You can't help but pray as a Calvinist.
"LORD please open their eyes!"
But how is God supposed to bring this request to pass if He is helpless and subservient to man's almighty will? How can God open someone's eyes without changing their will? How does God bring the unwilling to a state of willingness?
As always, Arminians pray like Calvinists.
skalapunk 2 years ago 2
Excellent video Mark.
Is God a puppet-master and man a puppet? A puppet-master does not create the material out of which the puppet is made nor does he control the puppet's thoughts. Puppets have no thoughts.They have no wills to control.
No, man is not a puppet. According to the Bible man is a lump of clay. Man is a lump of clay that God breathed the breath of life into, and out of the same lump God can choose to save some and not others.This is entirely up to God. It is His sovereign choice.
lightspeed52 2 years ago
Arminian's never claimed to be consistent
got2liv4him 2 years ago
God is sovereign and yet many would rather trust their own unsure hands. Thank God He is the solid Rock. He cannot fail. God bless.
Blogrich55 2 years ago 3
read my comment jordan...
Laras420 2 years ago
laras420 the arminian pothead lol 420? i mean c'mon, seriously?
bumbacutthoat 2 years ago
is that comment spose to bother me?
feel free to expose your heart to me, God already sees it,
Laras420 2 years ago 2
huh? lol
bumbacutthoat 2 years ago
James 3:6
James 3:7-12 and this one is a must read
Matthew 12:34
Matthew 12:34-37
But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in (D)the day of judgment.
Laras420 2 years ago
Words such as how you exalt your own choices over God's? I feel sorry for you Arminians. Is your faith in Jesus so incredibly weak you have to imagine you could somehow add to it with your works as if anything you could do could have your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life in accordance with your own merit?
Anakrino 2 years ago 2
He is referring to the "420" in your username, not just randomly calling you a drug abuser.
Anakrino 2 years ago
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
Laras420 2 years ago
Oh and if Christians took the time to ask.... I am not Arminian. I am born again in the spirit and Jesus Christ paid the price for my sins. He is my best friend , the most faithful and gentle savior, master and Lord. Nothing else matters.
Laras420 2 years ago
Your wording is very odd, as if you call yourself "born again" yet not Christian. Anyway, you showed yourself a person who likes to make blanket statements, so I only returned the favor using a majority of words from your own statement.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Im not going to be baited by someone who believes God picks and chooses who recieves the good news. I hope you ask him to show you the truth.
Laras420 2 years ago
God shows us Truth in scripture, and the scripture couldn't be more clear: God saves whomever He wills.
"So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy...Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens" (Rom 9:16,18).
That God is sovereign in all things--including salvation--is the clear and consistent testimony of holy scripture.
We must follow the God & Christ of scripture, not the god/christ of our own mental construct.
spgdmin 2 years ago
Nobody is baiting you. You spoke of "Christians" as if they were a group separate from yourself, which I found odd. As for God picking and choosing who "receives the good news" (which I'm sure you are using as a euphemism for salvation), of course I believe that. It is what the Bible teaches.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Laz, you're comments are excellent - keep preaching it!!
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
I would have to agree to that. He made himself vulnerable with the choice of "420" in his username. It's kinda hard not to snicker at that.
APSOC38 2 years ago
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I feel sorry for calvinists, is your faith in Jesus so incredibly weak you have to imagine God already chose you so nothing you could do could have your name wiped out of the book of life. Be friends with Jesus, talk to our heavenly father, ask him to make you fit for heaven and trust him.. Your faith is from God yes, you dont need calvernism at all.
Laras420 2 years ago
Why feel sorry for us? Because we exalt God over all?
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago 2
No cos Jesus isnt enough for you
Laras420 2 years ago
How do you figure?
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago
Jordan,
Quit being a flip-flopper. Just like you are flip-flopping on the KJV, you are flip-flopping on calvinism. It was just yesterday that you questioned whether calvinism was true.
Like I told you yesterday, whether you stay a Calvinist or not - I still consider you a brother. But please, make up your mind and pick a side already.
Shalom & Agape
theheat151 2 years ago
Jordan -- if what theheat151 says is true, then I can only *encourage* continue to keep seeking the truth. Test all things in light of scripture!
A dear friend who discipled me in many matters of holiness "flippedflopped" for awhile, too: On those very issues, in fact. As he grew and studied and learned, he sometimes saw the point of one and then another, but eventually he saw the unified message of scripture as a whole. In the end, his discipleship also led me to see the doctrines of grace.
Chrishankhah 2 years ago 2
I'm not really flip-flopping...more like getting discouraged from others attacking Calvinism
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago
Jordan -- I know your grief. I have had beloved friends turn on me because as they were in the midst of their spiritual infancy, others would have them believe I were as good as a cult and had nothing to do with Christ.
I am always pleased to talk scripture with those who disagree on the grounds of things they have understood through scripture. These peaceful discussions encourage my own reading of the Bible. What hurts me is all the strawmen and wild accusations that are being made by some.
Chrishankhah 2 years ago
Laras420, I would humbly ask that you buy a book on Sovereign Grace (not an anti-calvinist ruckman book). The Doctrines of Grace by Boice/Ryken is a good easy to read item (sound doctrinal books can be hard reads sometimes).
A Calvinist (so-called) does not love God for fear of hell but because He loved us first. He is the author and finisher of our faith. We grow in faith and sactification with His guiding hand not by threats of damnation. All Glory goes to Him.
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago 6
Sad thing is, many people are misinformed on Calvinism...
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago 3
Thanks for being nice, i like nice. You know stead, i personally could find it incredibly easy to be a calvinist. I can pin point the exact moment God tapped me on the shoulder as a kid and held my hand till he filled me with his holy spirit, he is so perfect i didnt want to " come too" He has pulled me literally from the brink of Hell, when my heart began to hate. Jesus was my invisible chiidhood friend even before i knew what he did for me. Just wont say he died for one and not another
Laras420 2 years ago
Thanks, don't take any aggression you may see too seriously. You're no stranger to Youtube...as you know; everyone is expecting trolling so we can be defensive from time to time.
It is a hard doctrine and there is a lot of misinformation out there about it. But look into. Even those people I know that still disagree have an appreciation for the doctrine after they have studied the theology and history of it.
I do thank you for sharing your testimony.
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
Thanks for being Christ like :-)
Laras420 2 years ago 2
lol
Nephtali1981 2 years ago
Calvernism?
dwaynesweatman1988 2 years ago
Oh gee, there was a typo. Get over it, it's not like you've never accidentally hit a key on the keyboard.
morsusmihi 2 years ago
"I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me."
(Jeremiah 32:40)
"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,"
(Eph 1:11)
SalvationEternity777 2 years ago 3
Aaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa, is that his real YouTube ID - LOLfunny687? My word, he sure lives up to it, doesn't he?!?!?!
Afrikitty is a happy puppet in her PuppetMaster's hands. God can pull my strings any which way He will.
Afrikitty 2 years ago 3
Amen indeed brother, God is totally Sovereign!
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago 4
Poor Arminian kid didn't have a chance. He started out by shooting himself in the foot.
Funny, I looked for "'accepting Jesus"' in the bible. Closest thing I found was in the Eph 1:6 KJV, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein HE hath made US accepted in the beloved.
I'll keep looking. It's got to be there somewhere ;)
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago 4
You couldn't find where people need to "accept Jesus" in scripture?
"or another gospel, which YE HAVE NOT ACCEPTED, ye might well bear with [him] 2 Cor. 11;4
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT! Matt. 23:37
I found it for you. Anything else?
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
:-)
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
You are looking at the word accept. Your trying to make man the author and finisher of his own faith. Your pride is your downfall.
October31st1517 2 years ago
October31st1517,
"'What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men"'
Some how that fits with that fellow. But I just smile rather than argue with a wall :-)
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
"Your pride is your downfall"
And yours is not? Whenever I watch one of your videos you're always prideful and acting like you know everything. Why not admit that you have no clue like the rest of us and get off your high horse?
Aren't we supposed to be humble?
morsusmihi 2 years ago
KingJamesVideoMan ,
Obviously, you are arminianic in view (free will).
However reading your proflie; Do I understand it correctly that you are an anti-Trinitarian and you do not believe in going to church?
Thanks
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
I made up a new word....it's late and I can't type anyway. One more try....
Obivously, you are arminian in viewpoint (free will).
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
Yes, there is such a thing as freewill. It's in your King James 17 times, or should I try to get rid of those and re-translate it?
Yes, I am anti-Trinitarian. Jesus only is my Saviour. Only he died for me.
I didn't say I don't believe in going to church. I am the church, or did Christ die for a building?
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
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standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
The word 'accept' in your definition is pregnant w/ assumption... we are looking for a clear verse that substantiates your assertion, the aforementioned speaks to to different issues, none which plead with the sinner to accept Christ in a soteriological fashion by virtue of his autonomous 'freewill'.
scribe7580 2 years ago
I love you man..you are an inspiration!
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago 2
Thank you my brother. Keep the faith!!!
October31st1517 2 years ago
God keeps us in the faith ;)
TruthInAnswers 2 years ago
I'll have to disagree with you in 1:24. I can agree with you that God desires to kill those who unrighteously violates his laws but God does not enjoy killing people.
"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD,
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live:
turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways;
for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:10,11
gneisenau321 2 years ago 3
Excellent point. I had the same feeling, but could not remember the verse that spoke of God not having pleasure in the death of the wicked. Thanks for posting it here.
Anakrino 2 years ago
i cant even watch this kid pray, so scary and God dishonoring
pfowler20 2 years ago 2