Well, that's easy. Same answer for that question as for this... throw them in solitary, tell them they're in it for life, and toss in a belt/rope etc. I really wonder how many of the people who heard about sadaam or osama's killings were like, "YEAHH! KILL THAT MOFO!" also opposed the death penalty.
The reason our Governments dont allow voluntary euthanasia is because WE ARE NO GOOD TO THEM DEAD. We are their food, we are their drugs, we are their LIVESTOCK...do u have ANY IDEA how much fucking MONEY they make per year on sick people? Our suffering is their bank deposit. We get some stupid ache somewhere and go to the hospital then come home with some new shit, then have to go back, etc etc ad nauseum...they WANT us to get sick, why else would they spray chemicals into the sky for no reason
s it worth killing yourself then spending your whole life in hell, burning and worms devouring your body? SUICIDE IS A SIN.
Revelation 21:8 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
If euthanasia is so good,how come it is not universal in every culture&country in the world today? Also in past cultures&civilizations, where was euthanasia a part of it? My father had Alzhimers&never the thought of putting him "quote- out of his misery" ever came into my mind. I cherished every moment with him until he died"NATURALLY". Let everyone die their natural appointed death.
@RonSafreed - if I had alzhimers I would *want* to put *myself* out of *my* misery before the disease stole too much of me. Different people want different things. All the video is asking for is *choice*
@RonSafreed We're not asking for every ill person to be euthanised. We're asking for a CHOICE. So, if you and your family wish, you can die 'naturally', it's just horribly unfair to disallow others who may be in terrible agony for years the right to die so the choice isn't even merely availble to you. Why would you want to keep alive these people just to endure there suffering? It's sadistic.
Youre not being "pro-living" or "pro-natural death". Youre just being anti-choice.
Exit and Dignitas is just bullshit!If you happends to live in France or in other EU country exept for 2-3 of all ,its impossible to buy Nembutal,its also forbidden to came to theire countries(Eu should be one but its absolutely not!You need passport between all countries and its not a union.Exit and Dignitas refuse to send or take my sister(now its too late,we tryed 2.3yrs no one care.Pets -no problems!Why should humans have to suffer?Eu-Is Nazi camp
@LucienneBeauvois Hey DIPSHIT not only am I a medical professional but I also believe in Dignitas and Exit and I do live in GERMANY...so go get a fucking terminal illness with lots of pain and suffering or treat people with illnesses such as and then we will talk again, until then keep that crap to yourself
The hurting man in this ad is really hurting, and so many of you watching this want to judge him because you all think you know better than him. It's his CHOICE and he has every right and to him it is correct..
How would feel you if your mum or dad was in so much of years of pain and they wanted to have a peaceful death... It would hurt me to see their pain for so long and l won't hestitate to assist them die peacefully..
Fucking nanny state. I think 85% of Australians is a huge UNDERestimation. Well at least I hope it is. Our laws in this country are beyond stupid. This needs to be legal and it needs to be legalised *now*.
The ending will still be the same and it's just a matter of time, i think the rationale why we can't end life because God says so and who are we in this world to defy that. What if there is really God don't you think that little wait is really worth it than the risk of being in hell where more pain and punishment awaits. Muster your fear, your loneliness, your pain. Scream if you have too... look death straight into the eye with faith like being in the octagon :) No short cuts!.... Be a man!
I think the universe itself is solid indication that God exist, the planets float without even a tangible matter that supports them and that i think is convincing. Jesus was tortured and experience great pain, I think the purpose is to show us that he too was human being. Suffering, loneliness and pain are part of life and being human. Don't expect that everything in this world will be serve in a silver platter with great convenience and ease.
@pencilPASTIESpanda You should probably be on meds... Please get yourself to a psychiatrist, I've been in your place. You need to make an appointment and go. Those thoughts will leave. Promise me?
Not legalizing Euthanasia is just going to cause more chaos and that's why we have people committing public suicides in train stations or jumping off buildings. Why not let someone choose when they want to end their life, and we will do it in a cleaner and private way.
I don't understand how some people can strongly disagree with euthanasia. If all those people took a chance to stop and observe the pain these people go through, then they would all know that euthanasia is right. To bad it's illegal in my country :/
go rob a bank if you do it right you get the money and if you fail you fight to the death also you can use that money to pay someone to kill you after and give the rest to people you care about.
I never understood how suicide to some could be considered selfish but coming out at the age of 14 isn't even though it may hurt those around you. You can be gay straight black or white and that's accepted but the moment pain takes you over so much you wish to die you are labeled "selfish,coward,insane,stupid." and any other name they can call you I guess people just fear things they don't understand and lash out! Some peoples lack of empathy is pathetic and inhumane. I am pro choice on it all!
Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
I understand that people are in pain. I understand that no one wants to be sick. We all want to be healthy. But what I don't understand is why, instead of promoting better health care, better support groups, a better understanding that life is full of suffering and the best way to be compassionate is to share in the suffering, people are wanting the easy way out. I know the pains of illness. I've wanted to die myself but saying that it's ok to die we are saying that we really don't care enough.
Unfortunately, sometimes there isn't any hope. If someone has inoperable cancer all over their body, and only has a month to live because their body has begun to consume itself, there is only one way out. At that point, better health care and better support groups won't do jack shit. You're left with 2 options: die racked in terrible pain, or drift off peacefully.
To me, preventing someone from choosing the latter is both idiotic and cruel.
@mistajames3213 2 options: Kill yourself or die the way it was meant to be - being surrounded by people that love you enough to take care of you in your last days
My choice is not life ...I need to find a painless way out..not just for me, but the people I leave behind. And no, if you're reading this I'm not some angst ridden teenager
Everyone has the right to choose a peaceful death. Our elected governments are bent on denying people this right, basing their decision largely on mindless religious beliefs and on their personal misconceptions; yet, their counter-argument consists of nonsensical assumptions, like. for example, that millions of teenagers are going to jump off bridges, like lemmings, the moment we allow very sick people to choose to end ther lives with dignity.
It is so easy for those of us who are healthy and able-bodied to vote down assisted suicide, but what we should really be doing is going to those to whom it would actually affect; the ones who are living in pain with no hope of alleviating it, the ones with an illness that slowly takes away their ability to do the simplest of tasks. It may not be every terminally ill person who wants to die with the help of assisted suicide, but it should be them that make the final choice.
Unfortuantely what a lot of people fail to realize is that this advert plants the thought that it's ok to kill myself if I really want to. In this guy's case it's because he is suffering physically, so it only seems fair. However when a young teenager watches this who is suffering emotionally, they will not see the difference between thier situation and his. And we will loose yet another precious life to the thought - I have the right to kill myself if I so choose.
@TmaxProductionsNZ - you dont think euthanasia will be run with Futurama style suicide booths do you? If you want a quick painless exit from a doctor there will certainly be a process.
Or was that just meant to be a scare tactic? Because it didn't scare me.
It is likely that legal euthanasia would lead your imaginary teen to getting some help while seeking a painless end, whereas in its absense they may well kill themselves painfully.
Typical - our government does not aggree with this advert, so it get banned; simple as that. If I was even a little paranoid, I would say that the government influenced whether it was shown or not. But I am sure that would not happen.......
It's about time the government listened to the people instead of to big business and the right-wing Christian lobby. Are those so-called Christian people really caring and compassionate, or are they judgmental and keen for others to suffer?
We are all sad about people dying young, of whatever cause. For the elderly, the best way to go is probably by a heart attack, rather than slow dying of cancer or dementia. I know what I want.
This is very sad. It shows that we need better funding for palliative care. Better training for our doctors and better education for our community. This man needs proper medical care and pain relief so that he is without pain in his final weeks, until nature takes its path. If he is wanting to die, perhaps he has depression and needs to be treated for that too.
@alexspyk maybe he just wants to die sooner rather than go through that pain. Maybe he doesn't want to spend the last days of his life hooked up to an IV drip, popping pills and bed ridden while his family watches on. Sometimes physical pain isn't everything.
You talk about "nature" taking it's path - but what kind of natural path requires drugs, machines and being confined to a bed? Medical treatments can only prolong a life, not improve the quality. Just because someone wants to die doesn't mean they're depressed. It means they want to die before their (unavoidable) illness becomes worse. I'm healthy and happy, but I know that if I had a terminal illness, I'd want to end my life while I'm independent and without pain. It's about choice.
@MsAnnaBubbles I think that there is some incorrect information in this debate. It may be an attempt to muddying the waters. Good palliative care allows for DNR orders, no heroic efforts, people refusing treatment. It is not about pro-longing life.
With good palliative care, the patient can be comfortable right up until the point of death. Giving the patient to die comfortably. I think Pro-Euthanasia people are largely unaware of how good palliative care is these days.
@alexspyk - however good palliative care is not everyone will want it. Some people will want to say their goodbyes in their right mind at a time of their choosing.
Did you listen to the video where he says he didnt choose to drag his family through hell?
@alexspyk The desire to die is not in and of itself a mental disorder and is not always a symptom of depression according to the DSM-IV. Therefore it stands that one can reasonably and rationally come to the decision to end their own life.
@JoeDSileo1988 I agree (did you actually read my comment?). Someone with a terminal illness is a prime candidate for depression and a symptom of depression can be the desire to die. This is why i used the phrase - PERHAPS HE HAS DEPRESSION. I'm not a doctor, i don't own a copy of the DSM-IV. If his does this needs to be sorted.
@alexspyk - maybe he doesnt want palliative care. I know I wouldnt want to waste away in hospital when I could choose my time and place while I was still me!
It is a perfectly rational decision. Obviously you'd choose differently to me, and I'd not force you to take a dignified death you didnt want
This is very sad. It shows that we need better funding for palliative care. Better training for our doctors and better education for our community. This man needs proper medical care and pain relief so that he is without pain in his final weeks, until nature takes its path.
A brilliant advert about an important issue - I always thought Australia was a country where the majority were listened to by their government - obviously not - they have the same type of government that everybody else does - a reasoned advert which makes you think about an important issue about everyone's rights - maybe that is why they banned it....
EUTHANASIA IS MY RIGHT WHEN AND IF THE TIME COMES,THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT AND WILL NOT HAVE ANY SAY IN IT. THEY SHOULD STICK TO RUNNING THE COUNTRY NOT THE WAY I CHOOSE TO DIE SHOULD I BECOME A BURDEN ON FAMILY, FRIENDS AND SOCIETY. IF 85% OF THE PROPLE AGREE WITH EUTHANASIA, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHY GOVERNMENTS ARE SO AFRAID TO CHANGE THE LAW (as they are so poll driven) ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF THE CHRISTIAN BACKLASH 15%-- WHAT HOLD DO THEY HAVE OVER OUR GOVERNMENT
@adamraco It's people like you who give Australia a bad name. No wonder the world thinks we're all racist when people like you claim to represent us. Can your tiny brain comprehend that we're all immigrants in this country? All the second generation immigrants claim they're more Australian than people immigrating now. Well guess what, we could have told your parents or grandparents or great grandparents to 'f#ck off' but we didn't; they got a chance. Show some compassion.
@KellyThundercloud - when you are really in the situation, &you can see a beloved pet suffering, you know that you have the moral choice or the selfish choice.
There's a real temptation to be selfish and keep them with you as long as possible. But you know that's cruel.
We accept, as a society, that it is cruel to make them suffer, and we accept that the vet is doing a kindness. I know that everyone I've known of in this situation has thanked the vet through floods of tears.
Maybe there is not going to be someone offering me a fairytale choice. What if the pain is so severe that eliminating it would mean being so sedated that I'm not conscious - eliminating myself so that the pain alone can survive.
Maybe there will be more than pain, there'll be the loss of dignity having no control of my bodily functions.
I'm not going to make the choice for you, so don't try to make it for me
Consciousness does not equal being a human. The inherent ability to be conscious is what makes us human. With your logic, every time you sleep you eliminate yourself.
You think you lose your dignity if you can't control when you pee? A loss of dignity is when you have so much pride that you can't handle it if somebody loves you so incredibly much that they will take care of you in your worst of days.
@romanceandsparkles - ok, you are serious, but you are wrong. You are trying to force your preference (that life is worth preserving at any cost, no matter what) onto others. That disgusts me. You probably don't see how callous that makes you seem.
I want to die with dignity. Like the man in the video says "life's all about choices" and if I'm faced with the erosion of everything that makes me myself, I will not choose to keep suffering mindlessly.
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@Gordonisgreat It does not make me seem callous, because I am not solely about preserving life. I am about allowing every life the dignity, right, and respect it deserves.
Die with dignity, then. Die surrounded by people who love you and take care of you - don't die surrounded by people who are so hurt that you are so miserable that you simply just have to kill yourself.
We euthanize dogs and cats, but if you notice, we are far different from dogs and cats.
@romanceandsparkles - I didn't miss your point, I was just horrified by it. Like you said you are *obviously* pro life, which explains your callous atitude and your lack of compassion, and your arbitrary distinctions.
The man in the video wants to make his own choices about his own life. If you watch the video you'll see why. He's not making any choices for you, you can suffer and lose your dignity if that's what you want. It's not what I want. It's not what most people want.
@romanceandsparkles - a huge difference with humans is that we, unlike dogs or cats, can actually tell you that our suffering is getting unbearable and we are ready to die.
If anything the case for euthanasia is more ambiguous for dogs and cats because they cannot tell us what they want. We have to decide for them based on that quality you "pro life" types find so elusive - compassion.
@Gordonisgreat Well if a 12 year old said "Mom, Dad, I know you love me, and I love you too, but I want you to help me kill myself. I am ready to die." would you advocate their suicide?
And seriously if your only argument is related to dogs and cats, which have different capacities and souls than human beings, please talk to somebody else.
@romanceandsparkles - are you really this obtuse? (answer, you're pro life, *of course* you are this obtuse)
If a person is suffering and is not going to get better and has made their own choice then of course I support it. But they should not have to rely on amateurs like me to get the job done.
My argument is not about dogs and cats or imaginary souls. It is about dignity and choice and suffering. It is cruel to force another person to suffer against their will.
@Gordonisgreat Don't you find it rather cruel to ask another person to help you kill yourself? To ask them to help you end all your pain because you just can't bear the thought of it anymore? To ask them to cut you off frome verybody else because your pain is too much for their love?
@Gordonisgreat It is your wife's/your kid's/your parent's/brother's/cousin's/etc JOB to help you kill yourself? You don't consider it cruel to tell them that being 'peacefully dead' is better then being loved by them?
@romanceandsparkles - no, I don't want to be killed by an amateur. I want the option to go to a trained medical professional. I wouldn't expect my family to perform surgery on me either.
As for my loved ones, I want to be able to say my goodbyes while I am still me. It seems kinder.
I'm not faced with a choice of being dead or being loved by them. I'm loved by them now. I still love my dead family members.
By "loved" you seem to mean "forced to suffer and wither away against your will"
@Gordonisgreat I'm not saying THEY are going to be the ones killing you. But they will be forced to standby and watch in horror as a doctor and yourself agree that suicide is the best option 'for you'.
Say your goodbyes then, make your peace with people. Just because you do doesn't mean you have to die right away. Also, on your deathbead you shouldn't dispair, but keep hope.
I know you love your family members. Isn't it kinder to let them love you for as long as possible?
@romanceandsparkles - people *already* watch in horror as their loved ones die and being able to say "at least it was quick and painless" is a mercy too many people are denied.
I'm not buying your empty rhetoric. There is no way you are turning me into a callous tyrant on this issue.
Did you even watch the video? You can make whatever sick twisted choice you want for yourself, dont think you can make it for me.
@Gordonisgreat Yes I watched it, don't insult my intelligence. That's not part of our discussion.
So if 'at least it was painless' is good, then shouldn't all of that euthanasia funding be spent on finding new ways to ease the pain? So nobody has to die?
And as for the turning you into a callous tyrant..that is not my intention. I'm trying to persuade to you at least listen to the debates, so that maybe you won't kill yourself. I care.
I don't assume to make a choice for you. Its not a choice
@romanceandsparkles - it is a choice, every person's choice to make for themself.
I have no respect for your intelligence. You are rooted in your pro life stance. It is like talking to a wall, or would be if the wall made lame attempts to emotionally manipulate me.
"So nobody has to die" - I hate to break it to you, but we will all die. That's a given. Not dying is not an option available to anyone.
One day I will die, I would rather not waste away first and I don't want to die in pain.
@Gordonisgreat Do not insult me. It does nothing for your side of the argument, and it makes you seem like you have nothing else to say except nasty remarks. And yes, of course I am rooted in my pro life stance. You are rooted in your pro choice stance.
Alright, I phrased that the wrong way. I should have said, "So nobody has to kill themselves and make their loved ones suffer".
If you don't wish to die in pain, perhaps the focus should be on pain releif and not suicide.
@romanceandsparkles - I've said plenty, you've ignored it and come back with platitudes. It makes sense since you are stuck with the short end of the stick, defending the indefensible.
Your focus can be wherever you want. I don't see what I gain by being drugged into unconsiousness so that the date on my death certificate can be artifically extended. If I don't exist as a person anymore then it is pointless.
Pain relief doesn't stop death, and too often isn't even enough to stop the pain.
@Gordonisgreat I'm not sure if this is clear, but pulling the plug on a machine that breathes for you is not euthanasia. If without being hooked up to something that is breathing for you you would die, then unplug it. THAT is artificial life,and yes, I'm against it.
So again you resort to the point that because a person is uncomfortable, they might as well die if they want. What if that pain did go away?Is the life more precious?
Or do you believe women in labour should die b/c they r in pain?
@Gordonisgreat I'm asking you a simple question. If somebody about to be euthanized had all their pain taken away would you be for or against euthanization?
@romanceandsparkles - I'd be for the person still having the right to make their own choice. So, in your example, the person is not in pain, but is that enough for them?
I can imagine, if Ihad ALS or Alzheimers, that pain would not be a particular concern or a factor.
But you knew my answer already. So this is a waste of time!
@Gordonisgreat I was trying to point out that by you only saying that because of the pain we should be able to choose to kill ourselves, with the evolution of science you will eventually contradict your own argument.
@romanceandsparkles - no, it is not. I'm going to die. I'm in good health today and that is still true. I am not going to live forever. My death is a fact of life. How I will die is not a given. I could die peacefully in a sunny garden surrounded by loved ones or cold and lonely trapped down a well.
If I have a condition where I know it will deteriorate to either intolerable pain or unacceptable loss of dignity it should be my choice where the line is drawn for me. You can make your own choice
"I could die peacefully in a sunny garden surrounded by loved ones" THIS is exactly why I am against euthanasia. This is what could be, if we would focus on making death comfortable and dignified rather than..
"cold and lonely trapped down a well."
Loss of good physical feeling does not equal loss of dignity.
@Gordonisgreat No, because I respect all human life. Assisted suicide/murder is a direct attack at the dignity of that person's life (how could it not be? It stops them from living! That individual dies!).
@Gordonisgreat Yes every individual dies. Do you think children should be killed just because 'everybody dies'? No..Now I know you are going to say "It's compassionate to save themf rom their suffering" and I've shown you my points on that.
@romanceandsparkles - no, you really haven't. You haven't made a single point to defend your indefensible stance. I'm not suprised, since there isn't a point to be made. Emotional appeals - what if someone cries - but not any actual arguments.
What more do you want? I already told you my points. Euthanasia is a direct attack to the dignity of the iving person because it kills them. It is adirect attack to those around that person.
If somebody is so terribly ill that they will die in pain, maybe all that energy and time and money should be put into making the last moments comfortable and surrounded by loved ones WITHOUT suicide.
if you claim to respect human life, why is it that you do not respect a human beings capacity to make decisions about their own life. Individual autonomy is a human right, and because human rights serve to protect human life, why is it that your claim to respect human life does not extend to respect for a persons right to control how they leave this world? Seems to me that the scope of your alleged "respect" is rather limited
@hBeix Yes, humans have the ability to choose...but the right decision that respects their own dignity is often the harder one throughout life. So it is with death. When it boils down to it, somebody will die because they can't go on or they will live because they have the strength because they can and WILL.
@romanceandsparkles - so since you have nothing sensible to say can you please go away. I'm sick of my inbox being full of "but what if you dying makes someone cry"
@Gordonisgreat Again, I ask you please, do not insult me. I'm sick of my inbox being full of "you have no intelligence" and "i don't want to die uncomfortably".
If you feel that you are finished with our discussion, though I have more points, YOU can end it any time you like. If you want to continue it, please, do.
@romanceandsparkles - if you had more points you should have made them, rather than making the same empty emotional appeal "people might cry, life at any cost"
But yes, this is an empty and fruitless discussion. am clearly not going to talk sense (or compassion) into you and you are not going to talk them out of me.
Hopefully one day it'll click and you'll abandon your "life at any cost" stance for something more nuanced.
@Gordonisgreat Never have I once said 'life at any cost'. This is a common misconception - that pro lifers would go to the ends of the earth and empty their banks and take out mortgages to get live saving treatment. Although this treatment would be wonderful to have, any treatment that is burdening (financially, emotionally, physically, etc) is considered extraordinary. Therefore, it is not considered euthanasia to use it. Only refused ordinary treatment is euthanasia.
Euthanasia is about having the choice, just like the ad says, to take ultimate control of your own life. I fully support it. The option for people at the moment is to take their own life in an uncontrolled manner - could imagine getting home and finding your grandfather had hung himself? Would you prefer that over knowing that he would slip peacefully into sleep, and then his heart would simply stop beating. I know what I would choose. Great ad, very powerful.
Euthanasia should be allowed. Its your life, your choice to live or die. whats wrong with that?
If I had some illness and prefer to end my life, I would. Some people deal with pain most of their life and just want to go. Just remember, there are many ways to kill yourself. Euthanasia is good to go peacefully than suicide by jumping off a bridge or into a train or into traffic, hanging themselves, gun to the head, etc. Put yourself in their shoes..
@hyllerical, last two independent polls in Australia shows support over 80%. Gallup polls from 1962 to 1995 show support has grown from 47% to 78% respectively *
* Voluntary Euthanasia and the Common Law By Margaret Otlowski , Oxford University,2000. Press P.262
I think euthanasia should be legal, but there should be very strict guidelines as to who it is legal for. Only the seriously terminal should be allowed. We can't just be all offing ourselves because things get too hard, but there are certain situations that call for euthanasia, like the one portrayed in this ad.
@adamraco MATE unless your aborigine then your a fucken immigrant too you fucken sped.. If you dont want to deal with my criticism which i have a right to express and if euthanasia becomes legal in australia do me a favour and kill yourself you fucken dickhead
Howard is GONE, we are adults, and should have this debate in Australia. The government and opposition (and the bloody churches) know what we want, and that is why they won't allow a debate. It would be one referendum which would pass with a resounding YES, WE CAN !
Firstly, let me say that I support voluntary euthanasia, as I believe the only person who should have any legislative control over our own life is yourself.
However I must point out the majority support fallacy. Over 85% agreeing to something means jack shit. 100% of people could support racial profiling, or the condemnation of homosexuals, but the role of a democratic government is to protect the rights of the minority, not constantly bow to the majority. As an angle, I feel it's fairly weak.
Obviously the moral arguments for euthanasia aren't persuasive enough for conservative politicians; indeed, no moral argument ever seems to be persuasive to conservatives. If you're going to persuade a conservative, you have to play their game -- whether fallacious or not -- and this requires an appeal ad populum. A conservative must be pragmatic if he is to retain credence -- and power, for that matter -- so the will of the majority matters.
There is nothing worse than seeing a loved one suffer, whether that loved one is a person with a terminal illness or that loved one is the partner, mother, father, brother or sister of the one terminally ill. We profess to be a humane society; where do we practice this when there are those that are forced into such immeasurable suffering. It is not suicide. It is having the right to make the most important decision in one's life.
Imagine having terminal cancer, for years. You're so used to the morphine your doctor prescribes, It doesn't help any more. Imagine having a bowel obstruction, and dying from choking on your feces (in front of other horrified patients, too.)
I work in a hospital, and see this every day. It's a right to die in dignity that EVERY human deserves, but doesn't get.
Search Facebook: Euthanasia: The Right To Die With Dignity. Lets help get the ball rolling.
Its about time this topic was brought into the forefront, when is Australia actually going to get a progressive on civil rights like this one, as well as other issues like Gay Marriage.
The fact that this ad is banned shows you how gutless our current government is
When one person suffers from delusion, its called insanity. When a group of people suffer from delusion, its called religion. Unfortunatley, in 2010, the church still has enough influence over legislation and Government decisions that common sense doesn't preveil.
I cannot believe the selfish people opposed to this add who obviously cannot deal with their own motality and have to make others suffer because of it. Everyone should have the right to their own destiny. This add only asks for debate and thats it. And it still gets banned. What a sad society we live in if we cannot even talk about such a serious issue. I think those opposed to it like seeing terminally ill people suffer. Perhaps they need to swap places with those people and see the point.
@iceprincess247 Sorry? Where does this mention murder? It's about choice, something you may have missed or not experienced or have no understanding of someone when they die
@gimj76 Euthanasia is not about murder of yourself. It's about providing people with incurable conditions another option, apart from a life of suffering and pain. Have you or someone you know been in this position? I guess not...
@gimj76 - I like many other people believe the bible is a fictional book. It is your choice and yours alone to choose to take the words of the bible as undeniable and factual. Thats the great thing about out society. Your free to believe what you want. And there is more than just your religion out there so think of others and not just yourself. Dont force your ideas on others, let them choose.
@gimj76 The bible might, but the bible is not what governs this country. Church and State are seperate for a reason. Australia is not a Christian version of Iran, idiot.
@philipb4. The decision says that this ad "promotes suicide". It does no such thing. It promotes the discusion of legislation. But by no means is someone going to watch this ad and be inspired to top themselves.
Secondly your are welcome to believe in the "sanctity" of life, no one is stopping you. In a similar situation to this ad you can choose to see it through to the very bitter end. But we should have the right to choose a peaceful dignified end.
The actor says that he didn't choose to be terminally ill...does that mean that when anything comes our way that we didn't CHOOSE we should end our lives?
What about the guy who's wife left him or the parent who's child has just died or a car accident. I'm sure none of these things are chosen and are not what those who are promoting euthanasia intend it for.
Terminal illness is not about whether we choose it, it has to do with it being terminal!
@HarryJai19 - I think it's more of a choice when certain situations are out of your control and unplanned, when there is nothing more that medicine or you can do to make it better or to cure you, that you are able to decide for yourself whether or not your life would be better to continue in pain and hopelessness or to end it peacefully before you have suffered too much.
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Well, that's easy. Same answer for that question as for this... throw them in solitary, tell them they're in it for life, and toss in a belt/rope etc. I really wonder how many of the people who heard about sadaam or osama's killings were like, "YEAHH! KILL THAT MOFO!" also opposed the death penalty.
snaveleber 2 weeks ago
If you want to DIE... do it yourself! You want the governments to condone more murder! (after abortion has already been allowed)
snaveleber 2 weeks ago
@snaveleber You have no problem with death penalty though?
NewCrobuzon 2 weeks ago
Why was this banned?
BKofficer23 3 weeks ago
The reason our Governments dont allow voluntary euthanasia is because WE ARE NO GOOD TO THEM DEAD. We are their food, we are their drugs, we are their LIVESTOCK...do u have ANY IDEA how much fucking MONEY they make per year on sick people? Our suffering is their bank deposit. We get some stupid ache somewhere and go to the hospital then come home with some new shit, then have to go back, etc etc ad nauseum...they WANT us to get sick, why else would they spray chemicals into the sky for no reason
dethchannel 1 month ago
85%?then, change the gov
KaKaGaNu 1 month ago
wtf?
Mr007matimati 1 month ago
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s it worth killing yourself then spending your whole life in hell, burning and worms devouring your body? SUICIDE IS A SIN.
Revelation 21:8 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
darkaus32 4 months ago
If euthanasia is so good,how come it is not universal in every culture&country in the world today? Also in past cultures&civilizations, where was euthanasia a part of it? My father had Alzhimers&never the thought of putting him "quote- out of his misery" ever came into my mind. I cherished every moment with him until he died"NATURALLY". Let everyone die their natural appointed death.
RonSafreed 5 months ago
@RonSafreed - if I had alzhimers I would *want* to put *myself* out of *my* misery before the disease stole too much of me. Different people want different things. All the video is asking for is *choice*
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@RonSafreed We're not asking for every ill person to be euthanised. We're asking for a CHOICE. So, if you and your family wish, you can die 'naturally', it's just horribly unfair to disallow others who may be in terrible agony for years the right to die so the choice isn't even merely availble to you. Why would you want to keep alive these people just to endure there suffering? It's sadistic.
Youre not being "pro-living" or "pro-natural death". Youre just being anti-choice.
HerGlassBones94 4 months ago 8
@Pluft520 I hope you respect others more than you respect me for your own sake
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@Pluft520 I would rather allow somebody the dignity to die surrounded by the people that love them enough to stay by their side.
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
Exit and Dignitas is just bullshit!If you happends to live in France or in other EU country exept for 2-3 of all ,its impossible to buy Nembutal,its also forbidden to came to theire countries(Eu should be one but its absolutely not!You need passport between all countries and its not a union.Exit and Dignitas refuse to send or take my sister(now its too late,we tryed 2.3yrs no one care.Pets -no problems!Why should humans have to suffer?Eu-Is Nazi camp
LucienneBeauvois 7 months ago
@LucienneBeauvois Hey DIPSHIT not only am I a medical professional but I also believe in Dignitas and Exit and I do live in GERMANY...so go get a fucking terminal illness with lots of pain and suffering or treat people with illnesses such as and then we will talk again, until then keep that crap to yourself
Sternlein4USA 6 months ago
The hurting man in this ad is really hurting, and so many of you watching this want to judge him because you all think you know better than him. It's his CHOICE and he has every right and to him it is correct..
How would feel you if your mum or dad was in so much of years of pain and they wanted to have a peaceful death... It would hurt me to see their pain for so long and l won't hestitate to assist them die peacefully..
gobbwgo 7 months ago
Fucking nanny state. I think 85% of Australians is a huge UNDERestimation. Well at least I hope it is. Our laws in this country are beyond stupid. This needs to be legal and it needs to be legalised *now*.
brisbanette 8 months ago
dead is dead it is only the pain you suffer ..........oh yeah god boterers .... leave him alone on sundays
grunt182820 8 months ago
The ending will still be the same and it's just a matter of time, i think the rationale why we can't end life because God says so and who are we in this world to defy that. What if there is really God don't you think that little wait is really worth it than the risk of being in hell where more pain and punishment awaits. Muster your fear, your loneliness, your pain. Scream if you have too... look death straight into the eye with faith like being in the octagon :) No short cuts!.... Be a man!
atomikarrow 9 months ago
I think the universe itself is solid indication that God exist, the planets float without even a tangible matter that supports them and that i think is convincing. Jesus was tortured and experience great pain, I think the purpose is to show us that he too was human being. Suffering, loneliness and pain are part of life and being human. Don't expect that everything in this world will be serve in a silver platter with great convenience and ease.
atomikarrow 9 months ago
I wont say don't kill your self, I will say try marijuana first
killpath 9 months ago
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pencilPASTIESpanda 10 months ago
@pencilPASTIESpanda Have you been to a therapist/psychiatrist?
MsSeaKittens 10 months ago
@pencilPASTIESpanda who do you want to give a fuck (as you wrote) about you ? would it be enough for you ?
silentfades 10 months ago
@pencilPASTIESpanda You should probably be on meds... Please get yourself to a psychiatrist, I've been in your place. You need to make an appointment and go. Those thoughts will leave. Promise me?
Di5tilled 8 months ago
Not legalizing Euthanasia is just going to cause more chaos and that's why we have people committing public suicides in train stations or jumping off buildings. Why not let someone choose when they want to end their life, and we will do it in a cleaner and private way.
sora41333 10 months ago
I don't understand how some people can strongly disagree with euthanasia. If all those people took a chance to stop and observe the pain these people go through, then they would all know that euthanasia is right. To bad it's illegal in my country :/
PhantomSergeant 11 months ago
go rob a bank if you do it right you get the money and if you fail you fight to the death also you can use that money to pay someone to kill you after and give the rest to people you care about.
either way you get what you want.
natstar27 11 months ago
I never understood how suicide to some could be considered selfish but coming out at the age of 14 isn't even though it may hurt those around you. You can be gay straight black or white and that's accepted but the moment pain takes you over so much you wish to die you are labeled "selfish,coward,insane,stupid." and any other name they can call you I guess people just fear things they don't understand and lash out! Some peoples lack of empathy is pathetic and inhumane. I am pro choice on it all!
keepingitreal15 1 year ago
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Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
vkonej 1 year ago
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Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
vkonej 1 year ago
I understand that people are in pain. I understand that no one wants to be sick. We all want to be healthy. But what I don't understand is why, instead of promoting better health care, better support groups, a better understanding that life is full of suffering and the best way to be compassionate is to share in the suffering, people are wanting the easy way out. I know the pains of illness. I've wanted to die myself but saying that it's ok to die we are saying that we really don't care enough.
Kittycat8806 1 year ago
@Kittycat8806 That's nice.
Unfortunately, sometimes there isn't any hope. If someone has inoperable cancer all over their body, and only has a month to live because their body has begun to consume itself, there is only one way out. At that point, better health care and better support groups won't do jack shit. You're left with 2 options: die racked in terrible pain, or drift off peacefully.
To me, preventing someone from choosing the latter is both idiotic and cruel.
mistajames3213 1 year ago 12
@mistajames3213 2 options: Kill yourself or die the way it was meant to be - being surrounded by people that love you enough to take care of you in your last days
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
My choice is not life ...I need to find a painless way out..not just for me, but the people I leave behind. And no, if you're reading this I'm not some angst ridden teenager
chris103050 1 year ago
Also the cultural references are matter of choise.
Ich Klage An 1943
313XP 1 year ago
If we're lucky, terminally ill suicide bombers will make fascist pro-lifers go extinct.
JPWMT 1 year ago
Everyone has the right to choose a peaceful death. Our elected governments are bent on denying people this right, basing their decision largely on mindless religious beliefs and on their personal misconceptions; yet, their counter-argument consists of nonsensical assumptions, like. for example, that millions of teenagers are going to jump off bridges, like lemmings, the moment we allow very sick people to choose to end ther lives with dignity.
The fight for our rights must never stop.
RatRaceAce 1 year ago
It is so easy for those of us who are healthy and able-bodied to vote down assisted suicide, but what we should really be doing is going to those to whom it would actually affect; the ones who are living in pain with no hope of alleviating it, the ones with an illness that slowly takes away their ability to do the simplest of tasks. It may not be every terminally ill person who wants to die with the help of assisted suicide, but it should be them that make the final choice.
SilimonDaelae 1 year ago
Unfortuantely what a lot of people fail to realize is that this advert plants the thought that it's ok to kill myself if I really want to. In this guy's case it's because he is suffering physically, so it only seems fair. However when a young teenager watches this who is suffering emotionally, they will not see the difference between thier situation and his. And we will loose yet another precious life to the thought - I have the right to kill myself if I so choose.
TmaxProductionsNZ 1 year ago
@TmaxProductionsNZ - you dont think euthanasia will be run with Futurama style suicide booths do you? If you want a quick painless exit from a doctor there will certainly be a process.
Or was that just meant to be a scare tactic? Because it didn't scare me.
It is likely that legal euthanasia would lead your imaginary teen to getting some help while seeking a painless end, whereas in its absense they may well kill themselves painfully.
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago
Typical - our government does not aggree with this advert, so it get banned; simple as that. If I was even a little paranoid, I would say that the government influenced whether it was shown or not. But I am sure that would not happen.......
hinkyponky 1 year ago
It's about time the government listened to the people instead of to big business and the right-wing Christian lobby. Are those so-called Christian people really caring and compassionate, or are they judgmental and keen for others to suffer?
We are all sad about people dying young, of whatever cause. For the elderly, the best way to go is probably by a heart attack, rather than slow dying of cancer or dementia. I know what I want.
Susie3493 1 year ago 5
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Stop it, stop it! This is too much for my fragile mind!
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DWDCanada 1 year ago
When will our governments (and, apparently television censors) learn there is a difference between assisted-dying, euthanasia and suicide?
Great video. Sorry it never aired.
DWDCanada 1 year ago
@DWDCanada please excuse my ignorance, what is the difference between assisted-dying and euthanasia?
alexspyk 1 year ago
This is very sad. It shows that we need better funding for palliative care. Better training for our doctors and better education for our community. This man needs proper medical care and pain relief so that he is without pain in his final weeks, until nature takes its path. If he is wanting to die, perhaps he has depression and needs to be treated for that too.
alexspyk 1 year ago
@alexspyk maybe he just wants to die sooner rather than go through that pain. Maybe he doesn't want to spend the last days of his life hooked up to an IV drip, popping pills and bed ridden while his family watches on. Sometimes physical pain isn't everything.
upasna31 1 year ago 4
@alexspyk
You talk about "nature" taking it's path - but what kind of natural path requires drugs, machines and being confined to a bed? Medical treatments can only prolong a life, not improve the quality. Just because someone wants to die doesn't mean they're depressed. It means they want to die before their (unavoidable) illness becomes worse. I'm healthy and happy, but I know that if I had a terminal illness, I'd want to end my life while I'm independent and without pain. It's about choice.
MsAnnaBubbles 1 year ago 5
@MsAnnaBubbles I think that there is some incorrect information in this debate. It may be an attempt to muddying the waters. Good palliative care allows for DNR orders, no heroic efforts, people refusing treatment. It is not about pro-longing life.
With good palliative care, the patient can be comfortable right up until the point of death. Giving the patient to die comfortably. I think Pro-Euthanasia people are largely unaware of how good palliative care is these days.
alexspyk 1 year ago
@alexspyk - however good palliative care is not everyone will want it. Some people will want to say their goodbyes in their right mind at a time of their choosing.
Did you listen to the video where he says he didnt choose to drag his family through hell?
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago
@alexspyk The desire to die is not in and of itself a mental disorder and is not always a symptom of depression according to the DSM-IV. Therefore it stands that one can reasonably and rationally come to the decision to end their own life.
JoeDSileo1988 1 year ago
@JoeDSileo1988 I agree (did you actually read my comment?). Someone with a terminal illness is a prime candidate for depression and a symptom of depression can be the desire to die. This is why i used the phrase - PERHAPS HE HAS DEPRESSION. I'm not a doctor, i don't own a copy of the DSM-IV. If his does this needs to be sorted.
alexspyk 1 year ago
@alexspyk - maybe he doesnt want palliative care. I know I wouldnt want to waste away in hospital when I could choose my time and place while I was still me!
It is a perfectly rational decision. Obviously you'd choose differently to me, and I'd not force you to take a dignified death you didnt want
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago
This is very sad. It shows that we need better funding for palliative care. Better training for our doctors and better education for our community. This man needs proper medical care and pain relief so that he is without pain in his final weeks, until nature takes its path.
alexspyk 1 year ago
A brilliant advert about an important issue - I always thought Australia was a country where the majority were listened to by their government - obviously not - they have the same type of government that everybody else does - a reasoned advert which makes you think about an important issue about everyone's rights - maybe that is why they banned it....
hinkyponky 1 year ago 5
EUTHANASIA IS MY RIGHT WHEN AND IF THE TIME COMES,THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT AND WILL NOT HAVE ANY SAY IN IT. THEY SHOULD STICK TO RUNNING THE COUNTRY NOT THE WAY I CHOOSE TO DIE SHOULD I BECOME A BURDEN ON FAMILY, FRIENDS AND SOCIETY. IF 85% OF THE PROPLE AGREE WITH EUTHANASIA, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHY GOVERNMENTS ARE SO AFRAID TO CHANGE THE LAW (as they are so poll driven) ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF THE CHRISTIAN BACKLASH 15%-- WHAT HOLD DO THEY HAVE OVER OUR GOVERNMENT
robbie69612 1 year ago 3
@adamraco It's people like you who give Australia a bad name. No wonder the world thinks we're all racist when people like you claim to represent us. Can your tiny brain comprehend that we're all immigrants in this country? All the second generation immigrants claim they're more Australian than people immigrating now. Well guess what, we could have told your parents or grandparents or great grandparents to 'f#ck off' but we didn't; they got a chance. Show some compassion.
clairepinkysister 1 year ago
What I want is that if I get some terminal illness I am treated with the same compassion we'd show a dog or a cat.
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago 49
@Gordonisgreat i'd rather be treated like a human
alexspyk 1 year ago
@alexspyk - I'd rather being treated like a human involved at least as much compassion as is shown to a dog or a cat.
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago
@Gordonisgreat I could never even do it to a dog or cat!
KellyThundercloud 8 months ago
@KellyThundercloud - when you are really in the situation, &you can see a beloved pet suffering, you know that you have the moral choice or the selfish choice.
There's a real temptation to be selfish and keep them with you as long as possible. But you know that's cruel.
We accept, as a society, that it is cruel to make them suffer, and we accept that the vet is doing a kindness. I know that everyone I've known of in this situation has thanked the vet through floods of tears.
Gordonisgreat 8 months ago
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@Gordonisgreat You want to be reduced to being treated like a dog or cat in your final days?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - I certainly don't want to be treated *worse* than a dog or a cat!
You say "reduced" but if a dog or cat is suffering they are treated with more compassion than a human in the same circumstances.
They are, as you point out, *my* final days, so it should be up to me if I don't want to draw them out in misery.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
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@Gordonisgreat Wouldn't you rather eliminate pain than eliminate yourself?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - it is hard to tell if you are being serious.
Maybe there is not going to be someone offering me a fairytale choice. What if the pain is so severe that eliminating it would mean being so sedated that I'm not conscious - eliminating myself so that the pain alone can survive.
Maybe there will be more than pain, there'll be the loss of dignity having no control of my bodily functions.
I'm not going to make the choice for you, so don't try to make it for me
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
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@Gordonisgreat I am perfectly serious.
Consciousness does not equal being a human. The inherent ability to be conscious is what makes us human. With your logic, every time you sleep you eliminate yourself.
You think you lose your dignity if you can't control when you pee? A loss of dignity is when you have so much pride that you can't handle it if somebody loves you so incredibly much that they will take care of you in your worst of days.
Your last statement is self refuting.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - ok, you are serious, but you are wrong. You are trying to force your preference (that life is worth preserving at any cost, no matter what) onto others. That disgusts me. You probably don't see how callous that makes you seem.
I want to die with dignity. Like the man in the video says "life's all about choices" and if I'm faced with the erosion of everything that makes me myself, I will not choose to keep suffering mindlessly.
We treat dogs and cats better than that
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
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@Gordonisgreat It does not make me seem callous, because I am not solely about preserving life. I am about allowing every life the dignity, right, and respect it deserves.
Die with dignity, then. Die surrounded by people who love you and take care of you - don't die surrounded by people who are so hurt that you are so miserable that you simply just have to kill yourself.
We euthanize dogs and cats, but if you notice, we are far different from dogs and cats.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - it makes you seem *incredibly* callous.
Apparently the biggest dfference between me and a dog or a cat is that if I were a dog or cat you would be willing to treat me with some compassion!
I see from your profile that you are "pro life", I am not suprised.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Well obviously I am pro life.
And thanks for missing my point. Dogs and cats are not humans, therefore are not treated the same way. And if you consider murder compassion...wow
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - I didn't miss your point, I was just horrified by it. Like you said you are *obviously* pro life, which explains your callous atitude and your lack of compassion, and your arbitrary distinctions.
The man in the video wants to make his own choices about his own life. If you watch the video you'll see why. He's not making any choices for you, you can suffer and lose your dignity if that's what you want. It's not what I want. It's not what most people want.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - a huge difference with humans is that we, unlike dogs or cats, can actually tell you that our suffering is getting unbearable and we are ready to die.
If anything the case for euthanasia is more ambiguous for dogs and cats because they cannot tell us what they want. We have to decide for them based on that quality you "pro life" types find so elusive - compassion.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Well if a 12 year old said "Mom, Dad, I know you love me, and I love you too, but I want you to help me kill myself. I am ready to die." would you advocate their suicide?
And seriously if your only argument is related to dogs and cats, which have different capacities and souls than human beings, please talk to somebody else.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - are you really this obtuse? (answer, you're pro life, *of course* you are this obtuse)
If a person is suffering and is not going to get better and has made their own choice then of course I support it. But they should not have to rely on amateurs like me to get the job done.
My argument is not about dogs and cats or imaginary souls. It is about dignity and choice and suffering. It is cruel to force another person to suffer against their will.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Don't you find it rather cruel to ask another person to help you kill yourself? To ask them to help you end all your pain because you just can't bear the thought of it anymore? To ask them to cut you off frome verybody else because your pain is too much for their love?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - no, I don't find it cruel at all, especially considering it would be their job.
As even you admit, it'd be *my* pain to make the decision about.
Remove your blinkers and get some compassion!
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat It is your wife's/your kid's/your parent's/brother's/cousin's/etc JOB to help you kill yourself? You don't consider it cruel to tell them that being 'peacefully dead' is better then being loved by them?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - no, I don't want to be killed by an amateur. I want the option to go to a trained medical professional. I wouldn't expect my family to perform surgery on me either.
As for my loved ones, I want to be able to say my goodbyes while I am still me. It seems kinder.
I'm not faced with a choice of being dead or being loved by them. I'm loved by them now. I still love my dead family members.
By "loved" you seem to mean "forced to suffer and wither away against your will"
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat I'm not saying THEY are going to be the ones killing you. But they will be forced to standby and watch in horror as a doctor and yourself agree that suicide is the best option 'for you'.
Say your goodbyes then, make your peace with people. Just because you do doesn't mean you have to die right away. Also, on your deathbead you shouldn't dispair, but keep hope.
I know you love your family members. Isn't it kinder to let them love you for as long as possible?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - people *already* watch in horror as their loved ones die and being able to say "at least it was quick and painless" is a mercy too many people are denied.
I'm not buying your empty rhetoric. There is no way you are turning me into a callous tyrant on this issue.
Did you even watch the video? You can make whatever sick twisted choice you want for yourself, dont think you can make it for me.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Yes I watched it, don't insult my intelligence. That's not part of our discussion.
So if 'at least it was painless' is good, then shouldn't all of that euthanasia funding be spent on finding new ways to ease the pain? So nobody has to die?
And as for the turning you into a callous tyrant..that is not my intention. I'm trying to persuade to you at least listen to the debates, so that maybe you won't kill yourself. I care.
I don't assume to make a choice for you. Its not a choice
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - it is a choice, every person's choice to make for themself.
I have no respect for your intelligence. You are rooted in your pro life stance. It is like talking to a wall, or would be if the wall made lame attempts to emotionally manipulate me.
"So nobody has to die" - I hate to break it to you, but we will all die. That's a given. Not dying is not an option available to anyone.
One day I will die, I would rather not waste away first and I don't want to die in pain.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Do not insult me. It does nothing for your side of the argument, and it makes you seem like you have nothing else to say except nasty remarks. And yes, of course I am rooted in my pro life stance. You are rooted in your pro choice stance.
Alright, I phrased that the wrong way. I should have said, "So nobody has to kill themselves and make their loved ones suffer".
If you don't wish to die in pain, perhaps the focus should be on pain releif and not suicide.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - I've said plenty, you've ignored it and come back with platitudes. It makes sense since you are stuck with the short end of the stick, defending the indefensible.
Your focus can be wherever you want. I don't see what I gain by being drugged into unconsiousness so that the date on my death certificate can be artifically extended. If I don't exist as a person anymore then it is pointless.
Pain relief doesn't stop death, and too often isn't even enough to stop the pain.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat I'm not sure if this is clear, but pulling the plug on a machine that breathes for you is not euthanasia. If without being hooked up to something that is breathing for you you would die, then unplug it. THAT is artificial life,and yes, I'm against it.
So again you resort to the point that because a person is uncomfortable, they might as well die if they want. What if that pain did go away?Is the life more precious?
Or do you believe women in labour should die b/c they r in pain?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - I don't resort to anything. you are just obsessed with forcing your crazy view on other people.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat I'm asking you a simple question. If somebody about to be euthanized had all their pain taken away would you be for or against euthanization?
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - I'd be for the person still having the right to make their own choice. So, in your example, the person is not in pain, but is that enough for them?
I can imagine, if Ihad ALS or Alzheimers, that pain would not be a particular concern or a factor.
But you knew my answer already. So this is a waste of time!
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat I was trying to point out that by you only saying that because of the pain we should be able to choose to kill ourselves, with the evolution of science you will eventually contradict your own argument.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - but I didn't say "only pain" I also made a big deal about dignity. Which, of course, you immediately dismissed as irrelevant.
So you are setting up your trap in the wrong place.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Alright, fine. Lets talk about dignity then. Btw you can message me if you want, we'll have more room to write.
Killing yourself is attacking your own dignity, is it not?
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - no, it is not. I'm going to die. I'm in good health today and that is still true. I am not going to live forever. My death is a fact of life. How I will die is not a given. I could die peacefully in a sunny garden surrounded by loved ones or cold and lonely trapped down a well.
If I have a condition where I know it will deteriorate to either intolerable pain or unacceptable loss of dignity it should be my choice where the line is drawn for me. You can make your own choice
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Living is also a fact of life.
"I could die peacefully in a sunny garden surrounded by loved ones" THIS is exactly why I am against euthanasia. This is what could be, if we would focus on making death comfortable and dignified rather than..
"cold and lonely trapped down a well."
Loss of good physical feeling does not equal loss of dignity.
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - "THIS is exactly why I am against euthanasia." - becuse you are unfeeling? Because you have no compassion?
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@Gordonisgreat No, because I respect all human life. Assisted suicide/murder is a direct attack at the dignity of that person's life (how could it not be? It stops them from living! That individual dies!).
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - every individual dies.
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Yes every individual dies. Do you think children should be killed just because 'everybody dies'? No..Now I know you are going to say "It's compassionate to save themf rom their suffering" and I've shown you my points on that.
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - no, you really haven't. You haven't made a single point to defend your indefensible stance. I'm not suprised, since there isn't a point to be made. Emotional appeals - what if someone cries - but not any actual arguments.
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@Gordonisgreat I never once said what if someone cries.
What more do you want? I already told you my points. Euthanasia is a direct attack to the dignity of the iving person because it kills them. It is adirect attack to those around that person.
If somebody is so terribly ill that they will die in pain, maybe all that energy and time and money should be put into making the last moments comfortable and surrounded by loved ones WITHOUT suicide.
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - forcing someone to suffer against their express wishes is a direct atack on the dignity of a living person.
you have no right to make that choice for anyone but yourself.
Gordonisgreat 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles
if you claim to respect human life, why is it that you do not respect a human beings capacity to make decisions about their own life. Individual autonomy is a human right, and because human rights serve to protect human life, why is it that your claim to respect human life does not extend to respect for a persons right to control how they leave this world? Seems to me that the scope of your alleged "respect" is rather limited
hBeix 5 months ago 15
@hBeix Yes, humans have the ability to choose...but the right decision that respects their own dignity is often the harder one throughout life. So it is with death. When it boils down to it, somebody will die because they can't go on or they will live because they have the strength because they can and WILL.
romanceandsparkles 5 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - so since you have nothing sensible to say can you please go away. I'm sick of my inbox being full of "but what if you dying makes someone cry"
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Again, I ask you please, do not insult me. I'm sick of my inbox being full of "you have no intelligence" and "i don't want to die uncomfortably".
If you feel that you are finished with our discussion, though I have more points, YOU can end it any time you like. If you want to continue it, please, do.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
@romanceandsparkles - if you had more points you should have made them, rather than making the same empty emotional appeal "people might cry, life at any cost"
But yes, this is an empty and fruitless discussion. am clearly not going to talk sense (or compassion) into you and you are not going to talk them out of me.
Hopefully one day it'll click and you'll abandon your "life at any cost" stance for something more nuanced.
Gordonisgreat 6 months ago
@Gordonisgreat Never have I once said 'life at any cost'. This is a common misconception - that pro lifers would go to the ends of the earth and empty their banks and take out mortgages to get live saving treatment. Although this treatment would be wonderful to have, any treatment that is burdening (financially, emotionally, physically, etc) is considered extraordinary. Therefore, it is not considered euthanasia to use it. Only refused ordinary treatment is euthanasia.
romanceandsparkles 6 months ago
I really don't see how this advert promotes suicide.
Instead, this is a great ad to raise the issue about euthanasia.
Government should deal with this topic in a more open-minded way, consult with the public, patients and their families.
And then create a clear rule for permission to euthanasia.
And I have to say the statistic at the end is just stuipid.
85% Australians, what makes them think that they can represent all Australian.
iampoorman 1 year ago
@iampoorman can you point us to this 85% of Australians survey? Is it reputable survey?
alexspyk 1 year ago
Will someone kick out the current government and get the Australian Sex Party in?
Ugh. Fuck off, right-wing.
AquaRing 1 year ago 3
Euthanasia is about having the choice, just like the ad says, to take ultimate control of your own life. I fully support it. The option for people at the moment is to take their own life in an uncontrolled manner - could imagine getting home and finding your grandfather had hung himself? Would you prefer that over knowing that he would slip peacefully into sleep, and then his heart would simply stop beating. I know what I would choose. Great ad, very powerful.
TheRandomAustralian 1 year ago 4
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otacon23 1 year ago
Great Ad, don't see why it should be banned.
Euthanasia should be allowed. Its your life, your choice to live or die. whats wrong with that?
If I had some illness and prefer to end my life, I would. Some people deal with pain most of their life and just want to go. Just remember, there are many ways to kill yourself. Euthanasia is good to go peacefully than suicide by jumping off a bridge or into a train or into traffic, hanging themselves, gun to the head, etc. Put yourself in their shoes..
otacon23 1 year ago 4
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iampoorman 1 year ago
No, I don't actually care enough about the subject to have an opinion either way. I AM however, strongly opposed to propaganda.
hyllerical 1 year ago
@hyllerical
The ad is not just propaganda, it's an appeal to natural rights -- a valid moral argument for most people.
Obversity 1 year ago 6
@Obversity I was referring specifically to the statistics - 85% - not the ad
hyllerical 1 year ago
@hyllerical
Ah, my apologies. I posted another comment about the statistic part of the ad.
Obversity 1 year ago
85% of Aussies agree with euthanasia? Where did you get that figure from? Arbitrarily chosen I'd say.
hyllerical 1 year ago
@hyllerical You are obviously one of the 15% of people.
cooleddies 1 year ago
@hyllerical, last two independent polls in Australia shows support over 80%. Gallup polls from 1962 to 1995 show support has grown from 47% to 78% respectively *
* Voluntary Euthanasia and the Common Law By Margaret Otlowski , Oxford University,2000. Press P.262
edouard67 1 year ago
Powerful ad.
ludicrousitymegan 1 year ago
I think euthanasia should be legal, but there should be very strict guidelines as to who it is legal for. Only the seriously terminal should be allowed. We can't just be all offing ourselves because things get too hard, but there are certain situations that call for euthanasia, like the one portrayed in this ad.
amandajoyceisabella 1 year ago
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euthanasia can get fucked its wrong and isnt the option
vinesrok 1 year ago
@vinesrok people like you who corrupt our country. fuck off you immigrant scum
adamraco 1 year ago
@adamraco YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fable1029384756 1 year ago
@adamraco MATE unless your aborigine then your a fucken immigrant too you fucken sped.. If you dont want to deal with my criticism which i have a right to express and if euthanasia becomes legal in australia do me a favour and kill yourself you fucken dickhead
vinesrok 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@vinesrok - maybe not for you. Who are you to decide for everyone else what is an option?
Gordonisgreat 1 year ago
aww :(
MrJapWannabe 1 year ago
very powerful. When wil governments realize, they have no business forcing people to suffer in their old age
InuvikPhil 1 year ago 2
Howard is GONE, we are adults, and should have this debate in Australia. The government and opposition (and the bloody churches) know what we want, and that is why they won't allow a debate. It would be one referendum which would pass with a resounding YES, WE CAN !
chitchant 1 year ago 4
Firstly, let me say that I support voluntary euthanasia, as I believe the only person who should have any legislative control over our own life is yourself.
However I must point out the majority support fallacy. Over 85% agreeing to something means jack shit. 100% of people could support racial profiling, or the condemnation of homosexuals, but the role of a democratic government is to protect the rights of the minority, not constantly bow to the majority. As an angle, I feel it's fairly weak.
ottopotomas 1 year ago 2
@ottopotomas
Obviously the moral arguments for euthanasia aren't persuasive enough for conservative politicians; indeed, no moral argument ever seems to be persuasive to conservatives. If you're going to persuade a conservative, you have to play their game -- whether fallacious or not -- and this requires an appeal ad populum. A conservative must be pragmatic if he is to retain credence -- and power, for that matter -- so the will of the majority matters.
Obversity 1 year ago
a magic off button would be nice for major depression
addamsk 1 year ago
ive thought about suicide, but i dont want the pain assosiated with going through with it if i fail.......
addamsk 1 year ago
There is nothing worse than seeing a loved one suffer, whether that loved one is a person with a terminal illness or that loved one is the partner, mother, father, brother or sister of the one terminally ill. We profess to be a humane society; where do we practice this when there are those that are forced into such immeasurable suffering. It is not suicide. It is having the right to make the most important decision in one's life.
georgiiaz93 1 year ago 5
Here's a new perspective, Pro-Lifers.
Imagine having terminal cancer, for years. You're so used to the morphine your doctor prescribes, It doesn't help any more. Imagine having a bowel obstruction, and dying from choking on your feces (in front of other horrified patients, too.)
I work in a hospital, and see this every day. It's a right to die in dignity that EVERY human deserves, but doesn't get.
Search Facebook: Euthanasia: The Right To Die With Dignity. Lets help get the ball rolling.
SigmaTramp010 1 year ago 6
Its about time this topic was brought into the forefront, when is Australia actually going to get a progressive on civil rights like this one, as well as other issues like Gay Marriage.
The fact that this ad is banned shows you how gutless our current government is
dctcool 1 year ago
When the hell is Australia going to move into the 21st century already?
Give them their rights, for Christ's sake...
TheDermyShow 1 year ago 4
When one person suffers from delusion, its called insanity. When a group of people suffer from delusion, its called religion. Unfortunatley, in 2010, the church still has enough influence over legislation and Government decisions that common sense doesn't preveil.
perfboi69 1 year ago 3
Great ad. Fuck the legal scum stopping this from being aired.
supermassiveblackman 1 year ago
I cannot believe the selfish people opposed to this add who obviously cannot deal with their own motality and have to make others suffer because of it. Everyone should have the right to their own destiny. This add only asks for debate and thats it. And it still gets banned. What a sad society we live in if we cannot even talk about such a serious issue. I think those opposed to it like seeing terminally ill people suffer. Perhaps they need to swap places with those people and see the point.
kaptinkle 1 year ago
Euthanasia
A slippery slope to legalised murder...
iceprincess247 1 year ago
@iceprincess247 Sorry? Where does this mention murder? It's about choice, something you may have missed or not experienced or have no understanding of someone when they die
brettnwau 1 year ago
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Euthanasia is murder of yourself the Bible clearly states you should not commit Murder.
gimj76 1 year ago
@gimj76 Euthanasia is not about murder of yourself. It's about providing people with incurable conditions another option, apart from a life of suffering and pain. Have you or someone you know been in this position? I guess not...
brettnwau 1 year ago
@gimj76 - I like many other people believe the bible is a fictional book. It is your choice and yours alone to choose to take the words of the bible as undeniable and factual. Thats the great thing about out society. Your free to believe what you want. And there is more than just your religion out there so think of others and not just yourself. Dont force your ideas on others, let them choose.
kaptinkle 1 year ago 6
@gimj76 The bible is also a work of fiction that has been misleading millions for years.
AoDIronMask 1 year ago 35
@AoDIronMask Guiding some, misleading many...
Schredder222 1 year ago
@gimj76 The bible might, but the bible is not what governs this country. Church and State are seperate for a reason. Australia is not a Christian version of Iran, idiot.
perfboi69 1 year ago 4
wtf is wrong with this ad.
aussieaussieaussie6 1 year ago
@aussieaussieaussie6 slimy bitch Gillard pandering to the fundamentalists and the sheeples in government following
AquaRing 1 year ago
@philipb4. The decision says that this ad "promotes suicide". It does no such thing. It promotes the discusion of legislation. But by no means is someone going to watch this ad and be inspired to top themselves.
Secondly your are welcome to believe in the "sanctity" of life, no one is stopping you. In a similar situation to this ad you can choose to see it through to the very bitter end. But we should have the right to choose a peaceful dignified end.
sxe005 1 year ago
To promote Euthanasia, the add needs to change.
The actor says that he didn't choose to be terminally ill...does that mean that when anything comes our way that we didn't CHOOSE we should end our lives?
What about the guy who's wife left him or the parent who's child has just died or a car accident. I'm sure none of these things are chosen and are not what those who are promoting euthanasia intend it for.
Terminal illness is not about whether we choose it, it has to do with it being terminal!
HarryJai19 1 year ago
@HarryJai19 - I think it's more of a choice when certain situations are out of your control and unplanned, when there is nothing more that medicine or you can do to make it better or to cure you, that you are able to decide for yourself whether or not your life would be better to continue in pain and hopelessness or to end it peacefully before you have suffered too much.
A7XDudeDrums 1 year ago
government and politicians in Australia are so out of touch it's unbelievable
baggygreen111 1 year ago
This is why we should be burning bibles and telling Christians to gtfo and let people make the choice they want.
Plax123 1 year ago
@Plax123
God you are fucking ignorant. You are implying that christians like me simply dont care if you want to die, you can go and do it.
Get over yourself.
Pawluk44 1 year ago
Why the hell was this banned?
People have every right to make their own choices, even the difficult ones.
2edsajdmsa 1 year ago
this is a comment intended to increase the comment count and hopefully the view count, while at the same time being long so it blends in and most likely wont be read by too many people, thus wasting the least time possible, other than the time I inherently wasted typing this whole damn thing up. And now it is two sentences long, and really just becomes tl;dr
pokepat460 1 year ago