Joel Osteen at Lakewood 09/23/07 (part 1)

[MrBeautifulba1]

Big, expensive, concrete, plastic and glass. All in the name of a god that says he doesn't dwell in temples made by the hands of man. Without money that church would fade away in a very short amount of time.

[k0smon]

@MrBeautifulba1 Since God is everywhere present, He has no choice but to be in those temples. Yes, money is necessary. Ref: Crystal Cathedral.

[MrBeautifulba1]

@k0smon yabba dabba doo. I'll believe in your god when i see some amputees healed and all child abuse eraticated,

[k0smon]

@MrBeautifulba1 God's existence does not depend on your beliefs. What you wish to see happen will happen in the next phase of life we refer to as the hereafter.

[ScottMacFie]

"The Most High himself hates sinners, and upon the wicked he takes vengeance." [Sir. 12:7]

[k0smon]

@ScottMacFie Why do you continue to belittle God, who is perfect, by ascribing to him human frailties such as hatred and vengeance? Sometime the bible is just flat out wrong.

[ScottMacFie]

@k0smon: Maybe, for the purposes of illustrating your true soul completely before the Christian body, you should lay out all the areas that the Bible (the Holy Scriptures delivered by God to our Prophets), that you believe are "wrong".

Please, tell us all, where is the Holy Bible "wrong", and provide a written record of it. You can publish it and see how many people worship you.

Satan get behind me...

[k0smon]

@ScottMacFie The books have already been written..  "Jesus, Interrupted" and "Misquoting Jesus" both written by bible scholar Bart Ehrman. Neither Bart nor I wish your worship.

[onstageagain]

@k0smon Interesting how we justify non biblical teaching to satisfy R-own doubts. " life coach " I like that explanation. I'm reading a book that's brought this issue up again.

Materialism is 1 of today's biggest transgressions. Jesus spoke against wealth frequently. He spoke of R obligation to the poor

Most of Jesus ministry was directed with compassion to the have-nots of society. Jesus didn't live a life of luxury. Rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. He is R example. ~ me

[ScottMacFie]

God judges the wicked and hates sinners, and anyone who tells you otherwise is spreading blasphemy.

[k0smon]

@ScottMacFie God hates no one. That is a human failure, and God is perfect. You blaspheme against God by belittling Him.,

[ScottMacFie]

@k0smon: FALSE, you are either ignorant or knowingly spreading a satanic message: "You are not a god who delights in evil; no wicked person finds refuge with you; the arrogant cannot stand before you. You [God] hate all who do evil;" [Ps. 5:4-5]



[k0smon]

@ScottMacFie  You have set up the bible as your idol, and hold it up higher than God Himself.

[ScottMacFie]

"Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice. You love justice and hate wrongdoing; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow kings. [Ps. 45:6-7] "For I hate divorce, says the LORD, the God of Israel, And covering one's garment with injustice, says the LORD of hosts; You must then safeguard life that is your own, and not break faith." [Mal. 2:16]

[ScottMacFie]

N.T. "Your throne, O God, stands forever and ever; and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom. You {Jesus} loved justice and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with the oil of gladness above your companions"; [Heb. 1:8-9]

[ScottMacFie]

N.T. "But you have this in your favor: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I {Jesus} also hate. " ' "Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God." ' [Rv. 2:6-7]

[jmallton]

This dude is a member of the prosperity movement.....filthy rich off his followers....the churches and I mean all of them...are under God's judgment right now

[k0smon]

@jmallton Wow! How did you get so anointed that you can determine God's judgment? Joel makes his money from his book sales and does not take a salary from the church. He preaches practical Christian living, not just "prosperity".

[jmallton]

@k0smon It must be nice to have several churches encouraging their members to purchase everything the guy writes about.....probably at an escalated price.....maybe Osteen should practice what he preaches and live a practical life.....he is a sham

[k0smon]

@jmallton ;;; Osteen has a quite practical life . The only sham here is your comments.

[paulfbest]

so this is WHAT america's protestantISM has turned into...a easy going preacher with a monster size TV screen.

My Father, please send your Son, Jesus the Christ, your Annointed One quickly, soon,,,I implore you on my knees.

Save us from ignorance.

Joel is too easy, contrast with,the kingdom which is very painful and difficult.

How could Christ suffer as He did and joel walks around in finely tailored suits.

and is afraid to condemn mormonism?

[k0smon]

@paulfbest The kingdom is very painful and difficult? I guess you haven't read Matthew 11:28-30. Christ suffered in our place so we wouldn't have to, isn't that the gospel story? Joel will not practice condemnation - unlike yourself, he lets God do the judging.

[onstageagain]

It's a kind of spiritual snobbery that makes people think they can be happy living without money, while you have several jets parked at the airport. Living in a house worth millions, and continue to beg millions of people for there grocery money to pay for all that.

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet Joel speaks, “You may be in debt, you need to boldly say that you are the head and not the tail. You need to declare good things over your life. If you wanna know where you'll be five years from now, listen to what you are saying. Your circumstances will line up with your words. Words are like seeds, they have creative power. Fear is a force just like faith is a force." This is another gospel that argues that we can create our own realities through vain repetition.

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen speaks,” Joel that sounds like wishful thinking. No, that's using your words to create what you need. You can cancel out God's best plan by speaking negative words. You can change your world by simply changing your words. You can use words to bless your life or curse your life. Start calling in victory. Start calling in divine health. Start calling in abundance. You can prophesize your future.You may have sickness in your body; you need to call in health.”

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet and false teacher Joel Osteen, Many of you today know this, you believe it down here in your heart. But the reason that you're not experiencing as much as you should is because you're not declaring it. You've got to give life to your faith by speaking it out. Your words have creative power. When you go around saying, 'I have favor, people want to be good to me and supernatural doors are opening." This form of decreeing and affirming is demonic in nature.

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen, “I believe one of the main ways that we grow in favor is by declaring it. It’s not enough to just read it it’s not enough to just believe it. You’ve got to speak it out. Your words have creative power. And one of the primary ways we release our faith is through our words. And there is a divine connection between you declaring God’s favor and you seeing God’s favor manifest in your life. You’ve got to give life to your faith by speaking it out.”

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen “There’s power in what you visualize,” “take a few moments each day to visualize things you want in your life so God can bring them to pass He then tells a story about a coach and his team “Close your eyes and envision winning the game”, “they produced exactly what they saw.” You must conceive it in your heart and mind before you can receive it.” This form of Creative Visualization is nothing more than an occultic technique.

[iloveyourstory]

I look at this man as a fantastic motivational speaker and coach. I listen to my real preacher for the scripture though.

[chipsc7]

Osteen is one of the ministers of Satan, and ignorant christians who don't spend enough time in the bible and searching the scriptures to see what the bible really says are deceived into believing this Satan's minister, and it is their own fault for being ignorant of scripture.

[Rylucero]

The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen on Larry King Live, King asks Joel, What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all? Osteen then responds, you know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know. Joel Osteen by his very words denies that acceptance of Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior is the only way that salvation is possible for the unbeliever.

[pricelesspam]

@Rylucero He probably just means they would maybe accept Jesus at some time in the future.We dont know if they would get pardoned after death if they would accept Christ if they really understood rightly.God knows.

[pricelesspam]

@person6113 We are to follow Jesus and be loving and caring,and kind hearted.Allways willing to forgive when wronged.We must focus on what is right before God first and foremost.I f our body tells us to go and do something contrary to God we are to deny it

[rgbaysa]

KING JAMES VERSION

THE ROMANS 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

[iloveyourstorytoo]

in the business of god

[Wales223]

No one is condemning Joel, that's Christ's decision. But some of us are pointing out what the Bible tells us, the truth. Do you fear the truth? As for the Bible, true it has violence, sin, death, destruction, but also love, sacrifice, repent, giving..that's life. So, are you afraid of life? The scriptures were written long before Constantine existed. Playing the Xbox is a positive thing, helps coordination, no clubbing, going out and get into trouble, don't spend money so do you worship it?

[daniloticzon]

BEWARE OF SWEETS...with thy lips...

I John 4:1

[MailManFan28]

WOW! This video footage was actually taken on your camera @ Lakewood Church! I love this! how original compared to some of the other videos I have seen! This is a one of a kind! Please tell me, are you a member of Lakewood? Or did you visit? How was it? I am a single parent of 5 little ones, and I'm thinking of moving to TX to join Lakewood Church :)

[GlendaPerezosa]

Lakewood is great! I'm really sorry for the critics. Please remember Jesus came to teach the simple ones, and all the so called men of knowledge (Pharisees) were so JEALOUS of HIM. Joel IS NOT Jesus. Jesus knew so much at the early age of 12 and had no academic preparation in religious matters. Everything was already in His PURE HEART through the Holy Spirit. "Making Money"? Bible says every worker deserves his pay. "Prosperity Gospel"? Critics, read Matthew 6:33! Where are you/kids moving from?

[07genclik]

dont listen to this faggot he jst does this for money thats all

[pricelesspam]

He does not even take a salary from lakewood.

[pricelesspam]

He is trying to show people the love of God,and bring them closer to Jesus thru the love he is showing,love never fails.STOP BEING BITTER HATEFUL; AND CONDEMNING THIS IS OPPOSITE TO CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.

[benn669]

Duh thats how they decieve people!!!!

[pricelesspam]

Do you even know what Christianity is about,it is about God forgiving us not condeming us.Wise up.

[benn669]

Christianity is not about God forgiving us and not condeming us, Christianity is about having a relationship with Him.

[pricelesspam]

You can not have a proper relationship with him unless you accept his forgiveness through Jesus Christ,Hindus and muslims think it is all about a relationship.You must accept Christ and what he did for you to be a Christian.Look at the word Christian closely.Christ is at the very begining.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam "THIS IS OPPOSITE TO CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE."

So is much of what Joel says from behind the pulpit.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 What is?Trying to encourage Christians by showing them love and kindness,or being a gentle person who cares about others feelings and problems?i WILL GIVE YOU LOADS OF SCRIPTURES THAT ENCOURAGE US TO LOVE,AND NOT HATE OTHERS BY TEARING THEM DOWN,AND TRYING TO DESTROY THEM.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 Maybe you should stop picking on others and concentrate on yourselve,and your short comings.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam I have many short comings; but Christians are supposed to be discerning. Osteen holds to a form of godliness while denying it's power.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 Did you hear him Deny God or Jesus as his lord and savior?Stop judging this man he is helping thousands of God's children every day feel better with their life and daily struggles.What are you doing?

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam The gospel is about fallen sinners being made right with God by grace, through faith, on account of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Joel makes it about having a happy life. I will leave it up to you to decide if he is right to change the biblical message into the pop-psychology laden gospel preached by Mr. Osteen.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 First of all he is a pastor,and maybe not so much an evangelist.His main message it seems is directed towards believers.Jesus said if you give a cup of water to a little one that belongs to him it is like giving it to him.It is important for believers to have a strong supportive pastor who genuinly cares for them.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam Yes, we all need a caring pastor. My problem with Joel Osteen is that he presents an inadequate gospel. We Christians need the gospel the same as unbelievers; and there is no guarantee that all the people in his church are saved. I would also like to add that all Christians are called to be evangelists. I don't think saying "he is a pastor, and maybe not an evangelist" is a legitimate defense. According to Paul a false gospel is worthy of only damnation. Galatians 1:8&9

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 Read 1 Corinthians12:27-31

THERE ARE DIFFERENTS GIFTS , possitions APPOINTED TO GOD'S BELIEVERS.Some are teachers ,some are prophets.People should really read the Bible before making false accusations at believers.

Read 1 Corinthians 13

We need to desire to be loving,and Joel is very loving ,and caring.

Why dont you stop attacking those who are helping starving children in Africa,putting clothes on the naked,and being kind to those that are suiffering.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam I am not attacking anyone. I am asserting that Joel Osteen preaches a false gospel. I know he is a nice guy. So what? Let me ask you a question: Does Joel Osteen preach the gospel?

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 Are you saying that he does not mention what Christ did for us enough for your satisfaction?

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam I am saying that he teaches a gospel which promises prosperity, and well-being at all times, if (big caveat) we have enough faith. That isn't the gospel. Joel Osteen's gospel is centered on Man. God becomes a cosmic bellhop. The biblical gospel is centered on God. So in that regard he really doesn't talk about it at all.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 You know i gave your question some thought .Joel Osteen try 's to live the Gospel in my opinion.We are to walk in love as Christiansand this is a huge witnass of Christ in our lives to others.Sometimes people dont need hypicrites preaching to them.People are drawn to God by his love for them.His forgiveness,and acceptance for them,not his anger or condemnatiom of them.People ussually inately realize they are sinners.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam It isn't loving at all to preach a false gospel. You are right in saying that God's love is what draws people. But what does that mean? God showed his live for wretched sinners by slaughtering his son in our place. We are to respond by loving God above all things; coming to him in repentant faith. Jesus didn't die so I could get a promotion, nice house, or good parking spot. There isn't anything wrong with having those things; but they are not promised to us. Not in this life.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 I dont receive Joel's message or take it in the way you apparently do.You feel he is pooh poohing the gospel.I do not see it that way.He is trying to be a positive force in a world where people can get very discouraged and beat down.You just dont see it the way most others probably do.Jesus said to think on lovely things,we have enough things in life tearing us down.Christians need encouragement,and uplifting,not depression.They are allready struggling to fight that everyday.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam Maybe it would help us to define our terms. Would you please explain the gospel to me? What is it?

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 The Gospel is What Jesus for us by dying on the cross and savimg us from death and destruction through his sacrifice. Some people live the Gospel,by living in love.God sent Jesus to die for us because he loved and continues to love us because he is love.Jesus said the thief comes to kill and destroy ,but he has come to give us life more abundantly.This is what Joel is trying to do,help Christians live a more abundant life in Christ in my opinion.

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 This is what Joel looks like he is trying to do in my opinion.

Colossians 3:12

Since God chose you to be the holy people whom He loves,you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy,kindness,humility,gentle­ness,and patience.

[the13thof12]

@pricelesspam Now I think we're getting somewhere. You mentioned that Jesus dies to save us from death and destruction. Do you also think that he died to ensure our material prosperity in this life?

[pricelesspam]

@the13thof12 I think you make that out to be what Joel is preaching about,but i dont think it is .He just wants us to have the most victorious life in Christ that we can have in every way possible.Alot of his sermons aim to uplift the beat down and depressed Christians whom the enemy has had a field day with.He is helping fellow believers become more confident and stronger in the Lord in my opinion .i WISH YOU COULD SEE THAT,but apparently you think he is a money grubber.

[opoutry]

@the13thof12 Man i strongly agree with you.Joel doesn't preach the whole truth of the Gospel.Joel's gospel is candy coated.I would say that it is a perverted gospel.Not the gospel that was preached by Christ and the Apostles.The Bible clearly presents the gospel as a confrontational message with spiritually dead lost people and not a feel good message.Joel can't accept the truth that the gospel is a stumbling block to the jews and stupidity to gentiles.

[stayingup1]

All I know is Joel has brought me closer to God...actually totally got me reading the bible and because of him I have been watching other great preachers such as Jim Toll (church on the way), Joyce Meyer..etc~ the bible says we must worship God with a child at heart..we should keep our eyes on Jesus and see the preachers as teachers with different styles...... you have no right to judge anyone... only God does...!! so chill and be cool and let go and let God... much luv your way.... peace~

[miniann15]

god has told us not to judge or condemn anyone that he will the finally judge. So instead I will pray for the ones below who are judging that they may find peace in their hearts with the lord during their approx. 80 yrs on earth so that they may then spend eternity on the upside instead of the downside. Please god bless them all.

[ItsTruth2]

You last 4 should just watch something else. If you hate Joel so much quit watching him- He doesnt take any money or profit from the ministry - . Shame on u avooz107 for saying such a stupid thing!! All of you get a life and watch something that makes you happy and positive -like Darwins theory on evolution- or something about hate and devastation,

[pricelesspam]

They seem to be very jeaolous of this man because he is such a positive speaker,i guess they want a little more negativity involved with Christianity maybe.

[QuantumProphet]

@pricelesspam yes, they want to send people to hell, they think that is the christian way...

[pricelesspam]

@QuantumProphet Im tired of peple who love hate,live in love that is what a Christian is supposed to do,stop judging others ,Jesus did not even condem others,he forgave them.try to do the same .Your job is not to make others feel like crap.God's love is supposed to set us free and fill us with love,and peace,not anger and fear.

[pricelesspam]

@QuantumProphet I dont think being loving and encouraging as a Christian is wrong.

[trikker01]

Psychologist is what he is - nothing more. What he says is just what people want to hear.

[CHODESPAZ]

He's just in it for the money.

[avoozl07]

I lost a good friend to this bastard...this phoney. it's sad how many people he is securing to hell. shame.

[NearingZero]

No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

[yuutubeJunkie]

Oh, By the way, thanks to everyone who puts this great stuff on YouTube, Most people would only think of looking here for quality Christian materal as an afterthought. It is a testament as to the popularity and fame that has spread because of this amazing preacher. This is a man raised in the faith who has more than paid his dues in the trenches. As a fellow Christian(Southern Baptist) I can understand that. Admittedly I did not come to YouTube looking for this but I'm so glad, This is inspiring

[yuutubeJunkie]

Experience makes students of us all, Joel did not always WANTED to even be a preacher. Even with the strentgh and will that Jesus Christ our lord and saviour gives us to succeed and flourish, It is still our own limited experience and knowledge (we're only human) that limits us sometimes in truly expressing what feelings we want to convey well enough for others to understand. Don't confuse the limitations of the devout follower of Christ for God himself, Our God has none, he patiently helps us!

[freshcut86]

Read from the bottom to TOP! Bottom=First TOP=Last

[freshcut86]

He corrected his mistake and that's what matters. Bet it won't happen again. And P.S God works in Mysterious ways. But this doesn't mean that you can't find out how he's worked in your life. A philosopher once said "Believe whats true to you"...I feel that this is how God Judges someone. He judges them based off what's true to them or true to their heart rather. It can make or break a man. Make sure what's true to you MAKES you and MAkes you A BETTER YOU! A BETTER you lived through CHRIST.I WiLL

[freshcut86]

expecting something to go on the highlight reel something spectacular. Jordan had to know this because he knows how the crowd reacts to him. So on this Break away dunk what do u think was going through his mind to make him MISS? Proved he was human at the least. Same for Joell he's Human and makes mistakes and not pointing out that "god say's The only way to the father is through the son" and leave it at that was a mistake. Know how i know? He apologized for it once he realized what was done!~

[freshcut86]

But rather the Job of the lord and savior himself. The one who knows the heart of every individual. Joell doesn't know the heart of every individual and his Judgment means nothing. He's also human and I could only imagine what was going through his mind at the time. MICHEAL Jordan missed a WIDE OPEN DUNK in an ALLSTAR game. WHat does that mean? It means we Have Jordan who is known for being flashy on the fast break at 40 in an allstar game on a break away about to dunk. As the audience we were

[freshcut86]

On that show he felt under pressure and had the right to because as a man he can say "people will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior", but people Who accept Jesus as there lord and savior and still travel in the dark end up in Hell. Why because they accepted God but chose not to folloow him. SO if this is the case Joell is right for trying to get around the question because he would be JUDGING. Who is he to say Who goes to hell and who doesnt? It's not his JOb

[freshcut86]

He preaches the MOTIVATIONAL word. He's a good shooter in that sense. There preachers that only preach HELL and scriptures to the public to get followers to Jesus. What Joell preaches is the PRomise. He preaches God's Will and his blessings. For people who might be homeless and nowhere to go and on the wrong path he shows them the light of Jesus. He lets them know that theres more to life if you follow JESUS. So tell me how can that bad?

[freshcut86]

I hear a lot of people Talking crazy about Joell. People saying that "if you follow him you follow sin". People saying he "denied Christ" on the show. And people saying he does not preach a balanced Word. Okay I'll start with that first. To win in the NBA everybody doesn't have to be Lebron James or Kobe Bryant they cannot win by themselves. They are Well rounded players. Damon jones is in the NBA for his Shooting he doesn't have a BALANCEd game but he helps his team win. Same with Joell

[NearingZero]

Jesus WHO just sell me some Joel

[Primetime7]

There is clips of Joel on Larry King having horrible showing. King is a professional and a well paid one; for he has been the business a long time; and not even he can understand where this guy stands. You can tell it in his tone and questioning. King asked him most rudimentary questions, which what is your core beliefs. And Joel trips up, back paddles, fumbles and stumbles on even that! Clearly Joel has not even the faintness idea of what he believes or what he even speaks of

[bobbyblueyes6969]

why does so many people hate joel? evil is abundant in the world and in the democrat-socialist-marixist-co­mmunist party.

[OmarThePug]

Is Joel Osteen a bad Martin Short character?

[cesmyra]

you shall know them by their fruit...

[apologiamixer]

Yep. Joel markets his books in the Mormon bookstore in Rexburg Idaho. That explains why he won't say anything critical about the Mormon cult. See "Zarahemla Final" on youtube

[iceaclmicacle]

i don't watch vids with shitty quality. thanks 4 jack

[mysanitysgone]

God Bless Joel Osteen!!! & Gods Peace be with with him.

[Stevem360]

He avoids explaining salvation and every important concept of the bible.

[totallyturtles]

Yes Joel takes away sin. If you take away sin then there's no reason for the cross, if you take away the cross you basically take away Christianity.

[k0smon]

totally: Take it all away. I took it away (from myself) 30 years ago, And don't ever want it back.

The religion Constantine developed in 325 AD is quite fractional. Some support JO, (I do) and some think he is headed for hell. Watch the judgments fly among Christians! And they all use the same source: the Bible. The book of a thousand interpretations. The Bible scholar Bart Ehrman, in his "Misquoting Jesus", tells of the multitude of errors in the Bible. (And he left Christianity as a result.)

[sobakatom]

Joel is a true Christian

[totallyturtles]

he's a wolf in sheeps clothing!

[high6williams]

Yes he is. Is is a antichrist! 1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." KJV Anyone who denies the authority of the Scriptures and the death of Jesus Christ as the ONLY payment for their sins is anti (against)christ. We must preach the truth to all! Matthew 28:18-20. Let us run our race with patience the race that is set before us (Hebrews 12:1)

[totallyturtles]

I second that.

[k0smon]

turtles: Do you mean he is wearing a wool suit?

[geminirecording]

Jesus was crucified too for preaching God's word. It's hard sometimes too be good and have faith. It has never been easy from the beginning. There are a lot of people who appreciate & love you Joel. Thank You Lord for Joel.

[yiltrfrontline]

i don't think Joel is in any danger of being crucified. If Jesus preached what Joel does he never would have been crucified.

[sobakatom]

Joel is the first step to a true relationship with Jesus!

[jofandkerstin]

to Sobakatom - you said "Joel is the first step to a true relationship with Jesus" I hate to burst your bubble dude but isn't the first step "repentence of sin", I guess you may not know that because Joel dosen't use the word sin or preach on repentence.

May I suggest that you read the new testemant again. Yes God wants to bless your life but Christ also said pick up your cross and follow me. From what I've seen Joel Olsteen he does not preach a balanced gospel.

[sobakatom]

Joel is the greatest. Helping millions live a Christian life. We all love you Joel and your message!

[Skater017]

God gave me a brain to look at things with common sense. My brain tells me not to follow anybody blindly........

[Minorthreatislife]

I agree. You have to listen to his sermons and read what he has said and determine for yourself if you believe like he believes. I've been listening to Joel for several years and I find him to spread a message of hope in a hopeless world. He seems to be a man of God-what I would call a good christian.

[bushpilot1970]

Minorthreatislife - Osteen only has too deny my Jesus once! Thats all that's needed... He has publicly claimed that Jesus is NOT the only way for salvation. How much more do you need to hear to be convinced. Exam your heart - Are you in the faith?? If you welcome his doctrine than you welcome a demon - you know NOT God. I pray you will consider my words...

[iakentdoz]

If you can't say any thing good, don't say any thing at all. God's way not my way. I for one am so tired of everyone saying bad things about everyone else and not thinking about what they are doing to make thing better. The way we see salvation has changed and if the are other ways of finding salvation that will lead us to find a life with God, then so be it.

[bushpilot1970]

iakentdoz - "The way we see salvation has changed..." precisely the problem! There is only ONE why and the bible is extremely clear on that...

[mykeyoung]

to bushpilot1970

have you forgotten that Peter (who was a preacher of the Word) denied Christ 3 times? You can find the proof in Matthew 26:34, 69-70, 73-74. Yet we still learn from his (Peter) teaching in the Bible! I find it very encouraging that someone who has denied Christ 3 times can still be forgiven by the grace of God.

[bushpilot1970]

mykeyoung - yes your right and I fully agree. However, my comment was in referance to denying Christ by ongoing confession that all roads lead to Christ. Peter didn't teach, after his repentance, that all you had to do to be saved was live a good life. A mormon is not saved and for Osteen to claim that he is, is in fact, a form of denial

[mykeyoung]

I not 100% sure, but I don't think Osteen has actually said that mormons are saved or not saved. I think he (osteen) hopes that by not condeming them that they will be more open to receive the word.

[thomasharris3]

Joel is the greatest. Helping millions live a Christian life. We all love you Joel and your message!

[wazungo]

Joel is a dumbass, without any formal theological education, that "preaches" to a crowd of biblically illiterate people whom are willing to believe all that trash, because of their lack of discernment. swallowing his "hakkunna matata" version of the gospel.

[Minorthreatislife]

Were any of the great prophets/disciples theologically trained? Moses, Abraham, Peter, Paul? No, they were called by God to spread his word. You don't need to have a document saying that you can preach. All you need is Gods word and have faith and live to be closer to God, that is all.

[wazungo]

Well Minor, I'm not sure if you are part of that crowd, but let me inform you; Moses and Abraham, didn't preached any gospel or word of God. As for Paul he was a highly trained pharisee, who spoke at least three languages, educated under Gamaliel. As for Peter, remember Pentecost? he and the other disciples were transformed for the power of the Holy Spirit. just read the Gospels and Acts, and compare the Peter before and after pentecost.

[k0smon]

wazungo; If Joel is a dumbass, I want to be one to. He didn't get to have the largest church in the USA by being a dumbass, you dumbass. What he teaches is not 'trash', it is biblically supported. You want someone who is biblically literate, then read "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman. He has a degree from Princeton.

[wazungo]

k0smon; You are so misled,so you think that because a lot of people follows Joel and his crew, what he "preaches" is the truth?.as ananalogy Islam has way much more followers and has existed longer than Osteen Inc. Same with LDS, even Louis Farrakan has alarger group of duped followers and has been in "action" longer than Osteen and co.Does that proves that what all the former are "teaching" is the truth? wake up! kosmon, dumbass....

[MrPinoy91]

People crucify this man because he spreads hope.

so are they saying hope + a merciful god will = Hell.

um.. yah are THEY IDIOTS!

Do they really want a condeming God..

jeeez people.

[thomasharris3]

Joel doesn't take one penny from his ministry not even a salary. He is a true man of God spreading the good news of Jesus. Jesus is smiling down on him. God bless Joel and his ministry. We love ya Joel!

[werttey8]

I respect Joel Osteen I think He's sharing a positive message of hope. however it is missleading concerning the truth of Jesus Christ. But don't start at joel Osteen start with peole everywhere that just plainley want to here what they want to here, they aren't really interested in the truth. So really just lay off of poor o Joel he's just giving everybody what they want positive coaching.

[7895225789]

Well the people don't want the truth , but Joel had a little fault too.

[7895225789]

Well the people don't want the truth , but Joel had a little fault too

[Primetime7]

This is lolly pop gospel stuff is for 5 and 6 year olds at vacation bible school! With everyone play nice in the sandbox gospel is not going to get you anywhere. When you should be eating meat he is giving milk. Wake up! Wake up!

[k0smon]

primetime7; I couldn't disagree with you more. Joel doesn't preach to kids. You have to have an adult mind to understand a prosperity approach. Please describe what you consider 'Meat'? And thanks for waking me up.

[apelikemenace]

Who has more Osteen you can share here?

[Godpleaser77]

I have more. Run from this mans teachings. Run to the Bible and scream out to God to save you. Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.

[icarryacross]

2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[savdbygrce]

Christianity = The end of all being is for the Glory of God

Humanism = The end of all being is for the glory of man.

Which one is being preached here?

[WhiteHorseProduction]

...It is a lot easier to try to point out what we think is work, rather then going out and doing somthing productive for Christ. I think I sense some jealosy. Lord have mercy on your body and keep supplying those servants which you are using so greatly and which you are putting in the spotlight. Cover them and cover your economy.

[Godpleaser77]

It's not easier. Love can be very tuff sometimes. John 12:25 (Jesus said) The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. (Joel loves this world and is not afraid to show it. He does not preach the Gospel of Christ. He preaches the gospel of love thy self. It's a Christians obligation to expose lies.

[JayeeB1]

the devil jealous about how many people Joel has drawn from hell to Jesus!!! Sorry for the devil. You will fight to draw people back to the devil but you will lose. please and please know that God is watching you. This is mixed t

[Godpleaser77]

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

[Chefkou]

I agree with you, people of Christ will defeat the devils ways of ruin people's life. I'm glad Joel Olsteen is reaching to the million, even the trillions, and I don't know why people are trying to crucify him like they did to Jesus. Good will always win over evil and may God bless those who talks down on him.

[WhiteHorseProduction]

Joel Osteen is a good pastor. I love how people judge Gods servants and they haven't even produced a single fruit of their own. The Lord is the judge and in the end I think we will all need mercy when we face Jesus. I think Joel is following his heart and we should pray for him and we should pray for ourselves so that we would lift up our hands and do a work which would be well pleasing to God...

[pcaball]

thanx for your great comment!! is so true what u said about people focus in criticizing other ministries that are producing thousands of fruits when they havent even produced a single fruit of their own

[Godpleaser77]

There is a huge difference between criticizing and warn you to stay away from evil. Rather run from evil. The only fruit that Joel is producing is a fruit of unrighteousness. Oh I pray for you people who are so deceived. I grieve for you. The Holy Spirit which resides inside me grieves for you. Run from this mans teaching. It is a lie. Why do people run to a man instead of God? Oh why!

[k0smon]

Godpleaser77 You call teaching people how to live a better Christian life evil? His teaching is a lie? They 'run to a man' because they are hoping that he can help them, thru God, to solve their problems. His teaching is not a lie, it just doesn't happen to be all you think it should be.

[Godpleaser77]

You must understand!

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

The unregenerate heart will follow anything.

[Godpleaser77]

Whitehorse, He is a good pastor if you love this world. The people of God are supposed to make judgments. How are we supposed to know good from bad. That's a judgment! Christians are to be looking towards heaven. Not a better life now. This is so far from the truth. You lovers of Joel have no love for God. Are you one that holds the Bible in your hand? Or are you one who reads it and knows it, and by reading have found God?

[Godpleaser77]

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

[newtopia123]

Joel Osteen is a good pastor, but he needs to preach the entire word of God. You see being a faithful steward or messenger of God, you cannot delete or sugarcoat something. I hope he learns from his father Pastor John Osteen..... you cannot always be a life coach for everybody, you cannot teach values before the gospel... or else you are making people self righteous..... preach God's word faithfully. God bless you Joel

[pcaball]

Bro u r so religious that's why many people dont come to Christ because of people like u who r just condeming and criticizing other ministries... go and preach the gospel to the lost and the nations instead of criticize other ministries..

[Athlon76]

Everyone loves Joel, even atheists. Look at thunderstruck665's comment.

So what's the problem?

Osteen is a FALSE TEACHER, DOESN'T KNOW JESUS CHRIST OR THE BIBLE.

"God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness" Acts 17:30-31

Jesus Christ said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

If you like Osteen, which God do you serve?

[Godpleaser77]

You are correct! John 15:19 (Jesus said) If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

[totallyturtles]

FINALLY! Someone who'll look at scripture and compare it to preachers! I like you and totally support that comment.

[k0smon]

athion76: I do like Osteen, and I'm not a Christian. I serve the Creator by serving His creation, since you asked. I came to the Creator directly, and needed no middleman. To me, John 14:6 is quite irrelevant.

[Athlon76]

You're spiritually dead.

"Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."

1 John 5:12

You serve a god, but it is not Jesus Christ.

You are under God's wrath on condemnation.

[k0smon]

Athlon76: You are partly right. I do not serve Jesus Christ, because I believe him to have been a composite person put together by Constantine.

I think of God more like the native American Indians did, the Great Spirit. Haven't you heard that God is Love? You have your head stuck in that bible again. I'll go along with Bart Ehrman that the bible is the word of man, not God.