Climate Change Hits Home - Arctic Sea Ice

[dmlt12]

ice maps here confirmed elsewhere - obvious fact that Arctic is drastically reducing in size - yeah you probably want to deny that too - seems to me that many "denies" are likely to remain so even if the worst predicted scenarios are upon us!

[david222444]

More bull. This propaganda must be stopped. The Sun is the primary driver of the planet's climate. It is in an inactive period hence the Planet is now cooling abruptly.

[nwowarrior]

NWO PROPAGANDA!

[Evilfisher]

oh noes.. the seasons.. i mean the bad humans made the ice melt!! oh noes!! we must save the world by inplementing a global co2 tax!! yay thats gonna save the world

[voiceofintelligence]

It's a fact that Arctic ice is melting. It's also a fact that global temperatures have been declining for the last ten years. It's also a fact that polar bear populations are 5 times what they were 30 years ago. Their numbers increased LAST YEAR! Also, the antarctic, which holds over 80% of the world's ice, is GROWING. We are in a period of increased solar activity which is melting arctic ice. It is also melting the icecaps on Mars. This is not man made, and there is nothing we can do about it.

[barklikeamonkey]

FAKE PROPAGANDA....

[aqwyxse]

We all need to change our wonts and plant more trees !!!

We all need to act now !!!!!!!

[voiceofintelligence]

There are more trees in the United States today than ever before... EVER!!

[stopglobalwarming08]

thanks LinkTV!

for spreading the correct information

[Sigifrith]

Climate change is certainly happening, as it always has since the formation of the planet. There is no proof whatsover that we are causing it however. The truth is the true scientific community doesn't know how the climate will react to an increase in co2 because they don't know if the feedbacks are positive or negative. So far their models have proved laughably wrong. But the alarmism isn't about saving the planet, it's the policies that are goal.

[hugesinker]

If you have time, I would highly recommend watching a few of greenman3610's videos. He makes a good case that we are indeed the cause.

[Sigifrith]

I've seen a few of them but I've found them unpersuasive. When I point out problems with the AGW theory, I get nothing more than insults and appeals to authorities I no longer trust as uninvested.

[hugesinker]

Most of the videos are debunking "crocks". Did you find any of the "crocks" persuasive?

The ice cores certainly suggest that the current warming trend and loss of polar ice are not cyclical or natural.

[Sigifrith]

The only data that suggests that the current warming trend, since 1850, is unnatural is the proxy tree ring and proxy ice core isotope data. The malfeasence witht the tree ring data of the Mann "hockey stick" should be well known by now. Twelve trees make all the difference. The ice core proxies have no such scandals that I know of, but last I checked there are only 40 of them, hardly a sufficient data sample to reach the conclusions argued by the alarmists.

[scorpiooooooh]

Sig...You are right, temps on earth have fluxuated since the beginning of time. That does not mean that humankind's insatiable appetite for energy has not amplified to the effects of a natural phenomenon making the net effect worse.

We can mitigate the effects of climate change BUT it requires understanding and co-operation. Policymakers all over the world argue cause and effect to protect their economic interests while we wait for a solution. We cannot afford to wait, it's time to act.

[Sigifrith]

I can paint a window on my house black and it will have a warming effect, but it won't keep me warm in the winter.

There are valid reasons for curbing the importation of energy, but the alarmism isn't about helping people or the planet.

What we need is a dose of realism. Even using the IPCC models, the amount of co2 mitigation required to effect 1 C would require the complete shut down of modern society for 80 years assuming we can't magically replace all our energy needs with nukess et al

[scorpiooooooh]

Sig, The energy problem is, in the most simple terms, about the environment AND about national security. No energy, no production, no food, no water pumped to your home. Russia, Venezuela, Iran, among others, are all security risks to America because they control oil. How is becomming less dependent on energy resources that originate from places that want to see America fail a bad idea? Reducing pollution is just ONE aspect of the energy issue. The more immediate threat is energy security.

[Sigifrith]

Energy independence is a valid goal for security reasons that you mentioned but the gloabl warming alrmism has nothing to do with security. We have plenty of coal and natural gas but the alarmists don't want us to use coal because of the myth of agw. Cap and trade is a transfer of wealth from the west to the third world, and not it's people, but the dictators paid off not to develop their countries.

We need to act now to STOP COPENHAGEN.

[scorpiooooooh]

Sig, both arguments for security and ecology have merit, and diferent people will respond to one or the other. I agree that cap & trade is not a good plan. It is far tooo exploitable. What America needs to do, for reason A or reason B is get the monkey called foreign oil off our backs. The USA needs to draft a decleration of energy independence. Wars always begin over control of resources and economics, been that way since day zero. By going green for either reason we can avoid a conflict.

[ProudtobePagan]

The sooner we as humans except that we are the source of most of "Climate Change" the better off our future will be.

[Squirelbutt]

The world has been melting for thousands of years.