Let this be a battle of wits and commitment, The flames of text shall be swift. None shall survive this enevitible war, Our history is no myth. We will bombard your positions, Frustration shall be rerun. You will react in anger. Their plight has just begun. There was once a time when gods fought demons, when light fought dark, when angels fought heathens. This, the flame war of 1990, battlecruisers on the ready, lowly lives repelled their God, Derek Smart almighty. The flame war never ended.
@lowgrade84 You are partially correct, while you are correct about Stargate in relation to Star Trek, Star Wars is so advanced it easily trumps both of them.
@chevron8locked Source of this assertion please, besides, beaming antimatter? that sounds like a very bad idea. Combining the finicky nature of Transporters with the instabilities of a warp core... yeah... no thanks...
@chevron8locked Obviously there are, otherwise it wouldn't have taken so many shots to blow it up, though granted there's enough deviation from the source material by having the docks withstand the opening volley, shields or no.
Why in every star trek vs star wars is the empire(bad guys) fighting the federation (good guys) shouldnt they be fighting the borg the star trek (bad guys) and the rebellion (good guys) be fighting the federation?
i want to see the dominion get involved and the klingons the klingons have a warriors will and would have stayed and faugt even if the spacebase was destroyed and not retreated and the dominion are just like the empire except they are smart n drug their clones which makes their warriors more lethal
@leandjake29 The Dominion aren't nearly as smart as the Empire, the drugging of their clones makes them terrible, it's only used as an attempt to have them be loyal, but it's caused them nothing but trouble (the Jem'Hadar going crazy due to withdrawl, and/or killing their Vorta and taking the White, becoming pirates to get more.).
It would take only 4 Stormtroopers to succeed where 80-160 Jem'hadar failed at AR-558
the borg use some form of technollogically inhanced telepathy, so they do use telepathy. the borg queen and the other psudo-borg like locutus could still use the force (asumming they had a high midiclorian count) even if the force requires free will. the borg would be running into several new species so they should make more of them. There was that woman(forgot her name) who got godlike powers like gary mitchell and used them for good so it wouldn't nessicerilly be bad.
@TheUnknowable2 No the Borg use Cybernetically implanted subspace transceivers, not telepathy (though the effect is similar, it requires someone to have that tranceiver still in them, like Seven of Nine or Picard.)
If telekinesis or telepathy was something they could assimilate the Queen would already have those abilities, and be able to telepathically contact people who have never been assimilated. Nothing of the sort has ever occurred. Elizabeth Dehner wasn't much better than Mitchell.
@TheUnknowable2 The Queen would never accept so many Borg with free will, least of all those with considerable powers. The Federation would also never do something like that, not even Section 31 for the sole reason that such beings would be too difficult to control and would pose an even greater threat, IE the Cure would be worse than the Disease. Of course, it's not like the Empire have no counters to the force and abilities like it, and in such a seemingly unlikely form too.
I hope the Borg don't get involved. Sith Borg would be really difficult to deal with, especially if the Borg figured out what make Jedi able to feel the force. At that point there wouldn't be many beings who could stand against them. The Federation would have to send shipfuls of people with high esper ratings to the edge of the galaxy (TOS "Where no man has gone before" I think)
@TheUnknowable2 The Borg have assimilated species capable of telepathy and Telekinesis before, and not once did they demonstrate having either abilities. The Force requires someone to have will of their own, which inherently makes it impossible for the Borg to utilize. Also it would take time that the Federation doesn't have to do that, and the worst case scenario for the Federation is that it works, after all an army of Gary Mitchells would be worse than an army of Khans
The people commenting on this video are only taking the Federation and the Empire into consideration. This video is Star Trek vs Star Wars, which includes everybody. In either case, Star Wars would easily win in a relatively short period of time due to their technological superiority.
@xRulerxLS He's right. The Federation would have the help of every single life form in the galaxy. I bet even the Q continuoum would pitch in. Maybe even the borg would help, just to get their own way
@1993Warbirds While the Borg coming in to help may happen to an extent, I doubt it would last for very long. They were fortunate the war with species 8472 was as brief as it was, since even after only a few days the alleged alliance was already at the breaking point.
Q Continuum wouldn't be likely to care, since the Empire are hardly omnicidal maniacs who commit mass genocides. In fact I don't recall any sentient species the Empire drove to extinction.
@1993Warbirds Another problem is that you assume the Federation could somehow A) get message out to every race in the galaxy and to play nice with one another rather than say, join the Empire willingly, not think the Empire will attack them and/or think they can handle the Empire on their own.
Considering the fact that, in your scenario if the Empire find the Federation to be harbouring Luke they will only attack whatever is between them and Luke, no other races will want to get involved.
@1993Warbirds Once the Emperor has killed Luke (the only reason he failed so many times is because he wanted Luke alive to turn to the Dark Side at all costs including his own life and that of the Empire's, now that he actually WANTS him dead Luke's pretty much screwed.) He'll either conquer the federation under the pretence that they are a long lost colony of humans and/or to punish them further for Harbouring an enemy of the Empire.
@1993Warbirds Even if the Federation made a plea for help in this case no other race would want to get involved, and even if there were those who DID want to get involved the Federation would no longer exist by the time they could send so much as a single ship or fleet for aid. Even if it only took a day to reach Federation space at max warp they would come to find every planet in what used to be the Federation with Imperial ships, Starfleet destroyed, and Troops marching through the streets.
@xRulerxLS I think you are taking a very broad interpretation of the term "Franchise X vs Franchise Y" generally speaking the only logical way to go about this is to have a reasonable model of invasion, with reasonable limits and motives. Using precedents as a guide one can see the Empire going off to conquer a new galaxy or at least parts of it. However, assuming that every member of one franchise will attack another just because it's "X vs Y" is silly.
Even then the Imperials stranded in the milky way with finite supplies could launch a retaliatory strike while they still have supplies and wipe the federation off the face of the galaxy in under a day simply out of spite.
More likely though they would instead negotiate a peace treaty.
@Perion Here's something to think about though. Watch my version of events and see what I mean. What if the wormhole simply traversed space, not time and the famed jedi order is restored and Sidious, back from the dead, is no more than a rebel himself
Star Trek will win the day every time. I refuse to believe that an old guy that shoots lightning bolts out of his fingers with a major temper issue could beat the calm cool UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS!!!!!!!!11
@1993Warbirds that "old guy" can be quite calm and cool when he feels it's nessescary. But lets face it, everyone loves to engage in megolomania now and then if they feel like they can get away with it.
In all seriousness it all comes down to the tech base, and while strong will, enginuity and skill can tip the scales in your favour if the enemy is stronger than you by 2-10 times over in extreme cases. But honestly the tech gap is as wide as Ancient Egypt(Federation) vs Modern USA(Empire).
@Perion but the basic timeline skew the whole thing over anyway. The beginning of every star wars movie means that our favorite characters from both sides couldn't ever meet. "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away"... Still if they ever did, I would still place my money on the Federation. Darth Sidious is too full of himself to realize the wholes in his own plans. The Federation could easily take advantage of that.
@1993Warbirds The emperor was fully aware that he was putting it all on the line at Coruscant and Endor (turning Anakin to the Dark side, which paid off, and turning luke to the dark side, which did not.) There is no reason to make such a gambit when invading the Federation. The Empire could overrun and effectively erase the Federation from existence overnight using clone war era dropships with no dedicated anti-capital ship vessels. IE a hundred or so Acclamators could do the trick.
@1993Warbirds Arrogance and confidence does not inherently = completely helpless, if he displayed caution while taunting Luke his taunts would lose their effect for one thing. The oft quoted "They're overconfident, that's why we will win." line is utter nonsense when one faction is thousands of years ahead of another. Modern America would certainly appear to act like they were completely full of themselves and overconfident if they fought Ancient Egypt, does that mean the Egyptians can win?
@1993Warbirds The standard method of having them meet is rather obvious, a wormhole, which as sci-fi geeks such as you and me all know can join points in both time and space.
Now depending on the location of the wormhole, and the relative time of discovery between the Empire and the Federation, there is an astronomically small chance that the Federation MIGHT be able to collapse said wormhole before the Empire can get supply trains and infrastructure building ships and facilities through.
@1993Warbirds That is the ONLY feasible way the Federation could repel an Imperial Invasion, however, by the time the Federation knew the Empire was that dangerous the Wormhole would be either too well guarded or the Empire in the Milky way would be too self sufficient, this plan is only really feasible if the person or people in command of Starfleet knew full well who and what the Empire was.
It also assumes the Empire would invade at all, rather than simply ignore the small and Primitive feds
@Perion Some say it's a good thing he did, after realizing the devastating effect their single warship had on a Galaxy class, which, at the time, I believe was one of the Federation's strongest class of ship. However, I've often wondered if that level of power could have been given to the recreated warship by 'Kevin' himself of if the Husnock ships really were that formidable.
@WeAreBorg359 Well we know the Husnock devastated the ecosystem of Delta Rana IV, leaving it reduced to a charred wasteland, was it said how many Husnock vessels were present when they made their bombardment? how long it took? Even so, while the Husnock would be no match for the Empire (The planet wasn't glassed or the crust reduced to molten slag like from a Base Delta Zero) They may very well have been more than a match for the Federation.
@Perion I don't believe it was stated how may there were, though, it's been quite a while since I've seen the episode, "The Survivors". I personally think, in terms of weaponry and technological superiority, the Husnock definitely would have had the upper hand, if you base their capability on what was demonstrated on the second conflict, again, if that was its true level of power.
@Perion I still throw around a slight mental debate amongst myself on whether or not 'Kevin' simply gave the warship the upper hand during the second demonstration, but, given its effect on the planet and 'Kevin's ' reference to them as, "a species of hideous intelligence", I'd say they probably would have outclassed the Federation. But, again, they're most likely only a stellar, (Type-2), the Empire is still Galactic, (Type-3), so yeah, no match there, the Empire wins no contest.
We've seen the Federation in Trek overcome all sorts of diversity, but with the Empire's incredibly high-powered turbo-laser technology and the hull components for their SDs, Starfleet would probably ultimately fall within a short time, probably the best they could do would be to delay it for a bit. However, it's not because Trek is a bad or crappy show like so many people throw out there, it's because The Federation and neighboring species are only Type 2 civilizations. The Empire is a Type 3.
@WeAreBorg359 exactly, I mean, compared to us the Federation and neighboring species are extremely advanced and vastly superior tech wise (Their ground forces notwithstanding) but the Empire is as far beyond them as they are beyond well, rome.
@Perion Yeah, the only way, that I know of, for the Federation to win in a conflict like this would have to be. . well, Q would have to aid in the matter or the "Doud" life form from the TNG episode, "The Survivors". Q has shown to have the best interest of the Federation at heart before, but I'm not so sure he or a Doud would decide to assist them.
@WeAreBorg359 Unlikely, the Douwd Uxbridge only retaliated out of extreme greif, and at the Hussnock who were basically Dalek wannabes (omnicidal xenophobic facists)
The Q have shown to have the best interest of the Human race at heart before, and the Empire's dominant race are indeed human, and they are far closer to that potential Q keeps talking about than the Federation.
@Perion Yeah, the Douwd who lived as the human, Kevin, refused to revoke the attack on Rana IV. Only after his wife was killed in the attack did he loose his control in a moment of grief and rage, and he annihilated the entire Husnock civilization. So, it is very unlikely that he'd assist the Federation in a conflict.
Well, I've always defended Trek in these situations, just because I like it better. I like Wars too, and I's just as soon keep them in their respective galaxies. If the Federation and the Empire ever did meet, I'm quite sure Starfleet, the Klingons and possibly even the Romulan and Cardassians would put up one hell of a good fight.
@WeAreBorg359 Brief, but they'd go down swinging. I actually doubt the Empire would bother with them, They like conquering but they aren't above just leaving people alone.
Oh I simply love ST vs SW discussions xD ... and I'm a fan of both so that makes it difficult to choose for me =P
I'm not gonna throw any statistical data in here from books and such. It's not always cannon and I prefer comparing what I see on screen.
I would bank on the Empire for raw military power, BUT starfleet tech is not to be underestimated and they come up with pretty creative ways to defeat you + let's face it: the way Star destroyers die in SW is downright humiliating =/
@GianniAerts The only Star Destroyers we've seen get destroyed are the Executor, and it took the entire rebel fleet to do it, granted the final blow was a little embarrassing (an A-Wing crashing into the bridge once the shields were down) but it took all of the rebel capital ships taking the bridge shields down to make that happen.
Books aren't canon for Star Trek, but they are for Star Wars, even so, when comparing what we see on screen alone, it still favours Star Wars very, very heavily.
@GianniAerts we see two other Star Destroyers disabled, the Tyrant from a ground based Ion Cannon (designed for planetary defence against capital ships) and the unnamed Star Destroyer that took a rather large Asteroid to the bridge tower.
the Asteroid hit one was in said field for days, and was very possibly hit by the same Ion Cannon as the Tyrant was, so it may have had it's shields still down (but engines and some weapons functional) when Vader gave the order to follow the Falcon.
@GianniAerts Also the Hoth/Anoat Asteroid field is among the most violent and dense Asteroid fields in sci-fi that I have ever seen, no Asteroid field in Star Trek comes close. We saw in at least one TNG Episode, that Data refused to take a fully functional Enterprise D into an asteroid field that was downright passive and disperse by comparison, even for a moment, let alone for days.
@GianniAerts The Invisible Hand's death was quite impressive, she took quite a pounding before going down (even with the main shields down) and even then landed in better shape (for the occupants) than the Enterprise-D, in spite of having a much harder, more violent landing while being blown to bits.
Worst part is the Invisible Hand was never designed to land, while the Enterprise-D saucer was designed to slide out much as it did in Generations.
@gdore1964 too bad Star Wars weaponry are not "simple lasers" as they have wildly different characteristics, and in the very next episode Picard refused to "endanger this ship under any circumstances" when tasked with bringing a mediator to settle a dispute between warring factions armed with laser weaponry.
If you compare the destructive yields of Starfleet and Imperial weapons you'll notice a MASSIVE Disparity, a Photon torpedo is worth 24 megatons while a Medium Turbolaser is worth 200,000.
Can I add transporters, cloaking devices (inc. phased), time travel, Q, parallel universes, replicator technology, Q, the Romulans, Species 8472, the Borg, V'Ger, the Dowd, the Crystalline Entity, Q, wormholes, the Caretaker, Iconian portals, Nagiluum, Q...... SW ships still have radar dishes or golf-ball radomes on the top for god's sake!. How quaint. The Force can choke and move objects, but it can't wipe out an entire species with a single thought, or an entire universe with a finger click!
@masere Transporters aren't an advantage, they are blocked by shields, interference and dense materials, all of which Imperial ships have in spades, cloaking devices, even phased, have mass and affect/are affected by gravity. so they can be detected using Imperial CGT sensors, Grab a phase cloaked ship by the nacelles with a pair of tractor beams and make a wish.
Time travel only affects parallel universes, and bringing those in will, at most, give the Empire more galaxies to conquer.
lol i dont like either but star wars fans talk bullshit its not real get a life and to be fair to star trek there tech is based on facts and proven theories also starships that size will be impossible to make
@charlieissocoollik The only thing limiting starships of that size is materials science and engineering.
Star Wars technology is so far beyond our level it HAS to be based on made up stuff.
Meanwhile Star Trek is far closer to our level of technology and understanding, so a few things are based on actual theories, albiet loosely. However Star Trek is not wtihout completely unrealistic and nonsensical technologies, such as the Transporter.
All in all, neither is more realistic than the other.
@masere the Q don't care, the romulans are weak, 8472 are cowards, the Borg are a joke, V'Ger at best can match a single Star Destroyer's firepower, the Dowd won't bother you unless you are an omnicidal maniac of Dalek wanabe proportions, the Crystaline entity was killed by an angry woman who pushed a button on the E-D, the Q don't care, Wormholes are unstable and the Empire don't need them, the caretaker is dead, iconian portals are made out of similar if not weaker materials as Imperial ships.
@masere Imperials have Replicator technology, everything from food replicators to skyscrapper sized
droids that eat up buildings and crap out ships, or how about the World Devastators, which are essentially weaponized replicators. Keep in mind that Imperial ships are made out of many materials the Feds never even heard of, and ones they have heard of such as carbon and Neutronium. The same stuff that the Dyson Sphere and Iconian structures are made out of. Imperials can REPLICATE this stuff.
@masere Nagiluum is localized in one anomaly that was never seen before or since, the Q don't care.
Those aren't radar dishes, if you look at the cross sections of them they are hyperwave sensors and communications, which are far more advanced than subspace sensors and communications. (we see them communicating in real time without relay networks from across 100,000ly in ROTS and ATOC)
let's see star wars has The Death Star The Executor The Sun Crusher The Force The CIS, The clone army, The Rebel alliance AND THE EMPIRE! Emperor Palapatine Sith Jedi The Star Forge that can produce thousands of ships in a day The Mandolorians! SO BRING IT ON YOU FUCKING TREKIES YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE BRING IT FUCKING ON
@TheDalekslayer Star Wars may have the Sun Crusher (whatever that is), but Star Trek has.....Crusher's son - WESLEY! The mere mention of his name is enough to make the Empire shake with terror and retreat. Hehe
On a serious note, just one little letter will destroy the entire SW universe with a click of the fingers - Q.
@masere there's a massive difference between "could" and "will", while for all we know Q COULD destroy the entire empire with the click of the fingers, maybe we don't know for certain, there is no reason to assume he would, as no Q has ever displayed that level of power. Which if it doesn't bring their capability to do so into question, it most certainly bring their will to do so into serious doubt.
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@Perion DIE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha yes IN YOUR FACE thats right lets see what Captain Sisko thinks about THAT DIE STAR WARS DIE thats right you pah wraith cretins DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thumbs up awesome cool
@17MrBob01 let's see star wars has The Death Star The Executor The Sun Crusher The Force The CIS, The clone army, The Rebel alliance AND THE EMPIRE! Emperor Palapatine Sith Jedi The Star Forge that can produce thousands of ships in a day The Mandolorians! SO BRING IT ON YOU FUCKING TREKIES YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE BRING IT FUCKING ON
One thing that people aren't considering is this. If a "Worm Hole" opened between the demention of Star Wars, and the Empire sent ships in the Rebels would probably send ships as well. If they didn't then they would no doubt have at least a few spys on the ships that did. These Rebels (spys or other wise) would no boubt get in touch with the good guys (aka the UFP) and provide them with any information the needed to help fend of the Empire. The truth is it wouldn't be in there intrests to stay.
@McMahonHater shame the rebels wouldn't be able to help, they'd see what the Federation has to work with and be all like "well shit, you're on your own guys." since the Rebels could try to teach them every trick they know, it won't help due to the massive tech gap, and if the Rebels tried to teach them how to build stuff, it still wouldn't work because the Federation wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around it, and even if they could they don't have the infrastructure to build any of it.
and the cherry on top, is even if they did have the infrastructure to build some ships, the Empire would STILL overwhelm them completely in a straight fight, and the only reason the Rebels won was because of Luke. The Federation have no such valuable potential sith that would warrant betting the farm on.
@Perion So, if there was an rebel Spy Cell on one of thos Imperial destroyers, who are now cut off from their allies, they wouldn't try to make knew allies where they were, and do whatever they could to help them? WOW the rebels sure are stupid. No wonder the Empire was kicking them around for so long.
@Perion So they would just give up, sit back, and let billions die with out trying to help. Makes me glad I'm more of a Star Trek Guy then a Star Wars fan.
@McMahonHater Bullshit, giving up without a fight can SAVE lives, which is far more important than some idiotic sense of honour.
There's a difference between bravery and throwing your life and the lives of the people under your command away, which is called stupidity.
The Federation simply do not have the technology to resist, not even with help from a few rebel spies, I already went over this. you confuse Common Sense with Cowardice and Bravery with Stupidity, what are you a Klingon?
"The Federation can't do it on their own (concession ftw?), so they need the Rebels to help them out." (in regards to the "what if a wormhole opened up and the Rebels trained the UFP)
Star Wars vs. Star Trek = Star Wars faction vs. Star Trek faction
not
Star Wars faction vs. Star Trek (and Star Wars) faction
@iherduliekthem Could you please pull your head out of your ass and re-read every post I have hear so you could respond correctly. I have no fucking clue what you are talking about with you jibber jabber comments.
I thing Trek vs Wars is miss leading. It is most likely that the UFP would aid the rebels in the efforst to beat the empire. Espcialy if the planets resisting joined up. All thos fresh people and equipment, compined with Luck Laya and Han, it's all over for the Golactic Empire.
@McMahonHater problem with that is the UFP wouldn't be able to help much, the absolute most they could do is enlist in the Rebellion, since their ships would be worthless and their territory far too tiny to be of any use (150 planetary assets isn't going to be much more than a sitting duck for the Empire to make a light snack out of)
problem is at that point it's no longer Star Wars vs Star Trek and is instead Star Wars fighting over the fate of Star Trek.
@McMahonHater Actually the Empire was winning against the Ewoks, they only started losing when one of their AT-STs were stolen and even then, it took han solo's ex imperial knowledge to fool the Imperials into opening the bunker doors.
It's a good point about ground warfare but remember what two low cost A10 thunderbolt warthog attack aircraft did to Iraq's retreating ground forces on the highway of death in the first gulf war. If you had a starship able to vaporize the entire surface of the planet, would you spend much time on ground forces?
One line from the episode "The outrages okona" is all thats needed - Picard says "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shielding" Thus any Empire vessel would be outclassed from the start
@GaryED44 Shame Star Wars "Lasers" aren't the same thing as a L.a.s.e.r. in Star Trek, they move slower than light, they interact with other bolts/beams, they flak burst, they are incoherent energy and they are visible in a vacuum.
Ergo, they are not L.a.s.e.r.s
Also a powerful enough L.a.s.e.r. could obliterate the Enterprise. However, most races that have the power generation capabilities to so have switched to other types of weapons The Empire is no exception, they just kept the name.
Picard never said that they were immune to any L.a.s.e.r. of any power in that episode, and it's idiotic to assume that was implied.
We've seen other episodes where Laser weapons prompt Picard to order "forward shields to maximum" (TNG: Conundrum)
Or when having to escort a diplomat to a warzone using Laser weapons he demands a cease fire, since he will not "endanger this ship under any circumstances" (TNG: Loud as a Whisper)
@Perion Drop 7 of 9 onto one of their battle cruiser, in an hour it will be under her comand. In a week they will all be under her comand. The rebels win, and we can all go for a bear.
As a matter of fact he did, but not the way it was implied ("The Outrageous Okona). The ships are not immune to laser fire, their battle shields are. What was said was that lasers wouldn't even penetrate the Enterprises' navigational shielding.
@admstacks Except they aren't, It's simply that the L.a.s.e.r.s seen in "The Outragous Okona" were far too weak. however. L.a.s.e.r.s of sufficient power (either individually or collectively) could pose a potential threat, even a very lethal one. As we saw clearly in (TNG: Loud as a Whisper)
Again most races capable of the power generation required to make a L.a.s.e.r. powerful enough to damage a federation vessel have switched to other types of energy weapons. The Empire is no different.
1. SW weapons are not lasers.Lasers are also beam weapons like phasers, Turbolasers are bolt firing weapons.
2. To say all lasers bounce off the shields is stupid. Suppose you have aLaser with the same energy output as a Phaser. By that logic, the equally powerful laser will still bounce off simply because its a laser, which is ludicrous.
i dont get it people say star wars woul kick star treks ass in a fight but think about it people star wars is set 'a long time ago' and star trek is set in the future which means star trek have more advanced sheilds,better weapons, and better fighting tatics
@QR2458 That's because Star Wars is such a powerful civilization. Their ships can cross their galaxy in hours or days, they can create replicator like factories that can pump out ships and droids in unimaginable numbers, they can produce materials thousands of time stronger than steel. They can build reactors that can produce enough power to pop a planet like a balloon etc. So Star Wars is definitely not more primitive than Star Trek.
Star trek all the way to the scrap heap, because that's where their ships will be after an encounter with the Empire.
They have fighters too,which weren't very numerous compared to the fighters launched by imperial fleets.
Ground combat would be hell for the federation, they don't have artillery, body armor, support vehicles, atmospheric fighters/bombers, grenades, troop transports scounting vehicles....yeah I can keep going.
@blacksun2175 To say this: Ground combat would be hell for the federation, they don't have artillery, body armor, support vehicles, atmospheric fighters/bombers, grenades, troop transports scounting vehicles....yeah I can keep going.
I assume, you feel, that we'll not feel the need to produce any of those things in the future. Don't forget we are human in the federation too. And to think we won't continue to advance in our ground war tatics against an alien attack,... "unbelievable"
@blacksun2175 Think about who we are as humans. What!? We really going to let our ground game go. No artillery, No transport vehicles, No grenades, No Assault weapons, No Protective Body wear, No knives,... I can go on also. All of these items will be more advanced though. There may be other alien races that don't have most of that. But us (Humans), Come on now. You forget who/what we are. We will fight using whatever,... lol In every movie produce that the earth was attacked, we brought it all
Enterprise D: 24 megatons per photon torpedo, but only 1 torpedo launcher can fire at a target, they can fire in bursts but it takes time to reload in between said bursts, for a rather low average rate of fire per minute.
Acclamator Troop Transport: 2,400,000 megatons spread across 12 turrets. All able to target enemies in the forward arc, no less than 6 in any other arc, fire rate 1 shot per second each for.
Imperial II Class Star Destroyer: 800,000,000 megatons spread across 120 turrets, Again same fire arc distribution.
Executor Class Star Dreadnought (also known as a Super Star Destroyer) 80,000,000,000 megatons spread across over 1,000 turrets.
Let it be known that the Shielding for an ISDII is fully capable of handling another ISDII hitting it for over 30 minutes straight before it's shields go down, Federation shields rarely last 10 min from a ship with comparable firepower to their own.
@Perion well i think they should do a movie on this and this his how the story go we all now that the rebel alliance destroyed the empire and us real starwars fans know that empire after it was destroyed became divided so i thik the divided empire should fight the future startrek people and the new rebel alliance help the startrek people and become allies
@SuperPhilipr nah, too predictable of a story, not exciting enough. and besides, the Federation ships would be completely useless so about the most the Star Trek people would be able to provide is recruits.
at which point it's not Star Trek vs Star Wars anymore it's Star Wars fighting over the fate of Star Trek.
If you go to Stardestroyer,net and read the "Conquest" fanfic by Mike Wong, THAT would make one helluva exciting miniseries, I'm thinking 3-4 parts and CG Beowulf style.
WOOPS! I FORGOT. Star Wars Technology will never work, even if you throw every single pseudo-scientific theory in the book! A StarShip the size of the Exterminator would destroy itself in under almost all circumstances becasue the craft would try to physically consolidate itself. (Just Saying...)
@ifly6 neither will Star Trek technology, in sci-fi crossovers, the relative realism of two series makes no difference, especially since in this case, neither one is more realistic than the other.
Mmmhhmm... The Akira class federal ship shoulded be the first one to leave its hangar: that class is designed specifically as a warship, while the Galaxy class isn't. I hope the stardock has got phasers: the Imperial destroyers are a very very very big danger :-|
U have to admit starwars has better space and ground battles then star treck oh wait star treck has neither of those.
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Jameswaterslive 1 month ago
independence day track!
11JohnThomas11 2 months ago
what class of ship is that that is as big as the SD? or is it just a big Fed looking ship created yourself?
TheBeskar 2 months ago
good job! this is loads better than most of these
TheBeskar 2 months ago
sstar trek vs starwars = star trek wins
star trek vs Stargate = Stargate wins
lowgrade84 3 months ago
@lowgrade84 You are partially correct, while you are correct about Stargate in relation to Star Trek, Star Wars is so advanced it easily trumps both of them.
Perion 1 month ago
@Perion Star Trek demonstrates teratons with their weakest guns.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@lowgrade84 Star Trek wins both.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
...Is'nt that Darth Nihilus' flagship from Kotor 2?
mortierox 3 months ago
I liked the underneath shot of the Super Star Destroyer scrolling by, that was impressive.
Keiththegamergeek 3 months ago
Beautiful models guys! Well done!!!
edge2980 3 months ago
this is boring
R4043 4 months ago
Since when do space docks explode like that?
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked Antimatter storage for refuelling docked ships perhaps?
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion
that was only in very very old space docks, now they have shuttles or they beam them to a cargo bay
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked Source of this assertion please, besides, beaming antimatter? that sounds like a very bad idea. Combining the finicky nature of Transporters with the instabilities of a warp core... yeah... no thanks...
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion
when you shoot a ship dock today does it have a massive explosion
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked When you shoot a ship's reactor today does it have a massive explosion? No, does it do so in Star Trek? boy howdy.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion
Look at the space dock, its flimsy and it has lights, looks like no ant-matter storage to me
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked There doesn't appear to be any room for shields either, but there they are.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion
There's no space dock shields, but if there where they would be small shield emitters scattered through the whole thing
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked Obviously there are, otherwise it wouldn't have taken so many shots to blow it up, though granted there's enough deviation from the source material by having the docks withstand the opening volley, shields or no.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion
In all of my time watching star trek one torpedo blows it up, not multiple shots
chevron8locked 5 months ago
@chevron8locked My point exactly.
Perion 5 months ago
Why in every star trek vs star wars is the empire(bad guys) fighting the federation (good guys) shouldnt they be fighting the borg the star trek (bad guys) and the rebellion (good guys) be fighting the federation?
IIIIandrew 6 months ago
@IIIIandrew There are two videos for that, /watch?v=zDTHB4sSKAI and "The Empire Strikes the Borg"
Perion 6 months ago
i want to see the dominion get involved and the klingons the klingons have a warriors will and would have stayed and faugt even if the spacebase was destroyed and not retreated and the dominion are just like the empire except they are smart n drug their clones which makes their warriors more lethal
leandjake29 7 months ago
@leandjake29 The Dominion aren't nearly as smart as the Empire, the drugging of their clones makes them terrible, it's only used as an attempt to have them be loyal, but it's caused them nothing but trouble (the Jem'Hadar going crazy due to withdrawl, and/or killing their Vorta and taking the White, becoming pirates to get more.).
It would take only 4 Stormtroopers to succeed where 80-160 Jem'hadar failed at AR-558
Perion 7 months ago
I think I speak for everyone when I say I want to see Picard vs Vader! Direct combat
FANADICALCOWHEAD 7 months ago
@FANADICALCOWHEAD That would be rather breif... I mean Vader force chokes Picard and well... It's over...
Perion 7 months ago
the borg use some form of technollogically inhanced telepathy, so they do use telepathy. the borg queen and the other psudo-borg like locutus could still use the force (asumming they had a high midiclorian count) even if the force requires free will. the borg would be running into several new species so they should make more of them. There was that woman(forgot her name) who got godlike powers like gary mitchell and used them for good so it wouldn't nessicerilly be bad.
TheUnknowable2 7 months ago
@TheUnknowable2 No the Borg use Cybernetically implanted subspace transceivers, not telepathy (though the effect is similar, it requires someone to have that tranceiver still in them, like Seven of Nine or Picard.)
If telekinesis or telepathy was something they could assimilate the Queen would already have those abilities, and be able to telepathically contact people who have never been assimilated. Nothing of the sort has ever occurred. Elizabeth Dehner wasn't much better than Mitchell.
Perion 7 months ago
@TheUnknowable2 The Queen would never accept so many Borg with free will, least of all those with considerable powers. The Federation would also never do something like that, not even Section 31 for the sole reason that such beings would be too difficult to control and would pose an even greater threat, IE the Cure would be worse than the Disease. Of course, it's not like the Empire have no counters to the force and abilities like it, and in such a seemingly unlikely form too.
Perion 7 months ago
I hope the Borg don't get involved. Sith Borg would be really difficult to deal with, especially if the Borg figured out what make Jedi able to feel the force. At that point there wouldn't be many beings who could stand against them. The Federation would have to send shipfuls of people with high esper ratings to the edge of the galaxy (TOS "Where no man has gone before" I think)
TheUnknowable2 7 months ago
@TheUnknowable2 The Borg have assimilated species capable of telepathy and Telekinesis before, and not once did they demonstrate having either abilities. The Force requires someone to have will of their own, which inherently makes it impossible for the Borg to utilize. Also it would take time that the Federation doesn't have to do that, and the worst case scenario for the Federation is that it works, after all an army of Gary Mitchells would be worse than an army of Khans
Perion 7 months ago
The people commenting on this video are only taking the Federation and the Empire into consideration. This video is Star Trek vs Star Wars, which includes everybody. In either case, Star Wars would easily win in a relatively short period of time due to their technological superiority.
xRulerxLS 8 months ago
@xRulerxLS He's right. The Federation would have the help of every single life form in the galaxy. I bet even the Q continuoum would pitch in. Maybe even the borg would help, just to get their own way
1993Warbirds 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds While the Borg coming in to help may happen to an extent, I doubt it would last for very long. They were fortunate the war with species 8472 was as brief as it was, since even after only a few days the alleged alliance was already at the breaking point.
Q Continuum wouldn't be likely to care, since the Empire are hardly omnicidal maniacs who commit mass genocides. In fact I don't recall any sentient species the Empire drove to extinction.
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds Another problem is that you assume the Federation could somehow A) get message out to every race in the galaxy and to play nice with one another rather than say, join the Empire willingly, not think the Empire will attack them and/or think they can handle the Empire on their own.
Considering the fact that, in your scenario if the Empire find the Federation to be harbouring Luke they will only attack whatever is between them and Luke, no other races will want to get involved.
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds Once the Emperor has killed Luke (the only reason he failed so many times is because he wanted Luke alive to turn to the Dark Side at all costs including his own life and that of the Empire's, now that he actually WANTS him dead Luke's pretty much screwed.) He'll either conquer the federation under the pretence that they are a long lost colony of humans and/or to punish them further for Harbouring an enemy of the Empire.
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds Even if the Federation made a plea for help in this case no other race would want to get involved, and even if there were those who DID want to get involved the Federation would no longer exist by the time they could send so much as a single ship or fleet for aid. Even if it only took a day to reach Federation space at max warp they would come to find every planet in what used to be the Federation with Imperial ships, Starfleet destroyed, and Troops marching through the streets.
Perion 8 months ago
@xRulerxLS I think you are taking a very broad interpretation of the term "Franchise X vs Franchise Y" generally speaking the only logical way to go about this is to have a reasonable model of invasion, with reasonable limits and motives. Using precedents as a guide one can see the Empire going off to conquer a new galaxy or at least parts of it. However, assuming that every member of one franchise will attack another just because it's "X vs Y" is silly.
Perion 8 months ago
Even then the Imperials stranded in the milky way with finite supplies could launch a retaliatory strike while they still have supplies and wipe the federation off the face of the galaxy in under a day simply out of spite.
More likely though they would instead negotiate a peace treaty.
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion Here's something to think about though. Watch my version of events and see what I mean. What if the wormhole simply traversed space, not time and the famed jedi order is restored and Sidious, back from the dead, is no more than a rebel himself
1993Warbirds 8 months ago
Star Trek will win the day every time. I refuse to believe that an old guy that shoots lightning bolts out of his fingers with a major temper issue could beat the calm cool UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS!!!!!!!!11
1993Warbirds 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds that "old guy" can be quite calm and cool when he feels it's nessescary. But lets face it, everyone loves to engage in megolomania now and then if they feel like they can get away with it.
In all seriousness it all comes down to the tech base, and while strong will, enginuity and skill can tip the scales in your favour if the enemy is stronger than you by 2-10 times over in extreme cases. But honestly the tech gap is as wide as Ancient Egypt(Federation) vs Modern USA(Empire).
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion but the basic timeline skew the whole thing over anyway. The beginning of every star wars movie means that our favorite characters from both sides couldn't ever meet. "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away"... Still if they ever did, I would still place my money on the Federation. Darth Sidious is too full of himself to realize the wholes in his own plans. The Federation could easily take advantage of that.
1993Warbirds 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds The emperor was fully aware that he was putting it all on the line at Coruscant and Endor (turning Anakin to the Dark side, which paid off, and turning luke to the dark side, which did not.) There is no reason to make such a gambit when invading the Federation. The Empire could overrun and effectively erase the Federation from existence overnight using clone war era dropships with no dedicated anti-capital ship vessels. IE a hundred or so Acclamators could do the trick.
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds Arrogance and confidence does not inherently = completely helpless, if he displayed caution while taunting Luke his taunts would lose their effect for one thing. The oft quoted "They're overconfident, that's why we will win." line is utter nonsense when one faction is thousands of years ahead of another. Modern America would certainly appear to act like they were completely full of themselves and overconfident if they fought Ancient Egypt, does that mean the Egyptians can win?
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds The standard method of having them meet is rather obvious, a wormhole, which as sci-fi geeks such as you and me all know can join points in both time and space.
Now depending on the location of the wormhole, and the relative time of discovery between the Empire and the Federation, there is an astronomically small chance that the Federation MIGHT be able to collapse said wormhole before the Empire can get supply trains and infrastructure building ships and facilities through.
Perion 8 months ago
@1993Warbirds That is the ONLY feasible way the Federation could repel an Imperial Invasion, however, by the time the Federation knew the Empire was that dangerous the Wormhole would be either too well guarded or the Empire in the Milky way would be too self sufficient, this plan is only really feasible if the person or people in command of Starfleet knew full well who and what the Empire was.
It also assumes the Empire would invade at all, rather than simply ignore the small and Primitive feds
Perion 8 months ago
what program did you use for this?
Crookster100 8 months ago
@Perion Some say it's a good thing he did, after realizing the devastating effect their single warship had on a Galaxy class, which, at the time, I believe was one of the Federation's strongest class of ship. However, I've often wondered if that level of power could have been given to the recreated warship by 'Kevin' himself of if the Husnock ships really were that formidable.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
@WeAreBorg359 Well we know the Husnock devastated the ecosystem of Delta Rana IV, leaving it reduced to a charred wasteland, was it said how many Husnock vessels were present when they made their bombardment? how long it took? Even so, while the Husnock would be no match for the Empire (The planet wasn't glassed or the crust reduced to molten slag like from a Base Delta Zero) They may very well have been more than a match for the Federation.
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion I don't believe it was stated how may there were, though, it's been quite a while since I've seen the episode, "The Survivors". I personally think, in terms of weaponry and technological superiority, the Husnock definitely would have had the upper hand, if you base their capability on what was demonstrated on the second conflict, again, if that was its true level of power.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
@Perion I still throw around a slight mental debate amongst myself on whether or not 'Kevin' simply gave the warship the upper hand during the second demonstration, but, given its effect on the planet and 'Kevin's ' reference to them as, "a species of hideous intelligence", I'd say they probably would have outclassed the Federation. But, again, they're most likely only a stellar, (Type-2), the Empire is still Galactic, (Type-3), so yeah, no match there, the Empire wins no contest.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
We've seen the Federation in Trek overcome all sorts of diversity, but with the Empire's incredibly high-powered turbo-laser technology and the hull components for their SDs, Starfleet would probably ultimately fall within a short time, probably the best they could do would be to delay it for a bit. However, it's not because Trek is a bad or crappy show like so many people throw out there, it's because The Federation and neighboring species are only Type 2 civilizations. The Empire is a Type 3.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
@WeAreBorg359 exactly, I mean, compared to us the Federation and neighboring species are extremely advanced and vastly superior tech wise (Their ground forces notwithstanding) but the Empire is as far beyond them as they are beyond well, rome.
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion Yeah, the only way, that I know of, for the Federation to win in a conflict like this would have to be. . well, Q would have to aid in the matter or the "Doud" life form from the TNG episode, "The Survivors". Q has shown to have the best interest of the Federation at heart before, but I'm not so sure he or a Doud would decide to assist them.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
@WeAreBorg359 Unlikely, the Douwd Uxbridge only retaliated out of extreme greif, and at the Hussnock who were basically Dalek wannabes (omnicidal xenophobic facists)
The Q have shown to have the best interest of the Human race at heart before, and the Empire's dominant race are indeed human, and they are far closer to that potential Q keeps talking about than the Federation.
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion Yeah, the Douwd who lived as the human, Kevin, refused to revoke the attack on Rana IV. Only after his wife was killed in the attack did he loose his control in a moment of grief and rage, and he annihilated the entire Husnock civilization. So, it is very unlikely that he'd assist the Federation in a conflict.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
Well, I've always defended Trek in these situations, just because I like it better. I like Wars too, and I's just as soon keep them in their respective galaxies. If the Federation and the Empire ever did meet, I'm quite sure Starfleet, the Klingons and possibly even the Romulan and Cardassians would put up one hell of a good fight.
WeAreBorg359 8 months ago
@WeAreBorg359 Brief, but they'd go down swinging. I actually doubt the Empire would bother with them, They like conquering but they aren't above just leaving people alone.
Perion 8 months ago
Oh I simply love ST vs SW discussions xD ... and I'm a fan of both so that makes it difficult to choose for me =P
I'm not gonna throw any statistical data in here from books and such. It's not always cannon and I prefer comparing what I see on screen.
I would bank on the Empire for raw military power, BUT starfleet tech is not to be underestimated and they come up with pretty creative ways to defeat you + let's face it: the way Star destroyers die in SW is downright humiliating =/
GianniAerts 8 months ago
@GianniAerts The only Star Destroyers we've seen get destroyed are the Executor, and it took the entire rebel fleet to do it, granted the final blow was a little embarrassing (an A-Wing crashing into the bridge once the shields were down) but it took all of the rebel capital ships taking the bridge shields down to make that happen.
Books aren't canon for Star Trek, but they are for Star Wars, even so, when comparing what we see on screen alone, it still favours Star Wars very, very heavily.
Perion 8 months ago
@GianniAerts we see two other Star Destroyers disabled, the Tyrant from a ground based Ion Cannon (designed for planetary defence against capital ships) and the unnamed Star Destroyer that took a rather large Asteroid to the bridge tower.
the Asteroid hit one was in said field for days, and was very possibly hit by the same Ion Cannon as the Tyrant was, so it may have had it's shields still down (but engines and some weapons functional) when Vader gave the order to follow the Falcon.
Perion 8 months ago
@GianniAerts Also the Hoth/Anoat Asteroid field is among the most violent and dense Asteroid fields in sci-fi that I have ever seen, no Asteroid field in Star Trek comes close. We saw in at least one TNG Episode, that Data refused to take a fully functional Enterprise D into an asteroid field that was downright passive and disperse by comparison, even for a moment, let alone for days.
Perion 8 months ago
@GianniAerts The Invisible Hand's death was quite impressive, she took quite a pounding before going down (even with the main shields down) and even then landed in better shape (for the occupants) than the Enterprise-D, in spite of having a much harder, more violent landing while being blown to bits.
Worst part is the Invisible Hand was never designed to land, while the Enterprise-D saucer was designed to slide out much as it did in Generations.
Perion 8 months ago
did you make this animation? Its quite good.
VocalIntuition 8 months ago
to bad simple lasers can not penetrate any starfleet shields but its a good watch
gdore1964 9 months ago
@gdore1964 too bad Star Wars weaponry are not "simple lasers" as they have wildly different characteristics, and in the very next episode Picard refused to "endanger this ship under any circumstances" when tasked with bringing a mediator to settle a dispute between warring factions armed with laser weaponry.
If you compare the destructive yields of Starfleet and Imperial weapons you'll notice a MASSIVE Disparity, a Photon torpedo is worth 24 megatons while a Medium Turbolaser is worth 200,000.
Perion 9 months ago
the music is from the movie indipendence day at the start
raiuzumaki 9 months ago
@raiuzumaki 'nope......DS9.
keithehlert 9 months ago
Did u add the USS Enterprise E in one of the episodes?
starwarsfan9631 9 months ago
Did u add the U.S.S. Enterprise E?
starwarsfan9631 9 months ago
Of course Star Wars would win against star trek:
In Star Wars they can cross some 50 000 light years in like 5 hours= They travel at 3 Light years A SECOND!
Voyager would have needed 70 Years for 70 000 light years. Thats 1000 Light years a year = 3 Light years a DAY.
So in Star wars ships are like 86 400 times faster than in star trek.
And now u can begin to compare the technological superiority of star wars.
Denorius01 9 months ago
Can I add transporters, cloaking devices (inc. phased), time travel, Q, parallel universes, replicator technology, Q, the Romulans, Species 8472, the Borg, V'Ger, the Dowd, the Crystalline Entity, Q, wormholes, the Caretaker, Iconian portals, Nagiluum, Q...... SW ships still have radar dishes or golf-ball radomes on the top for god's sake!. How quaint. The Force can choke and move objects, but it can't wipe out an entire species with a single thought, or an entire universe with a finger click!
masere 10 months ago
@masere Transporters aren't an advantage, they are blocked by shields, interference and dense materials, all of which Imperial ships have in spades, cloaking devices, even phased, have mass and affect/are affected by gravity. so they can be detected using Imperial CGT sensors, Grab a phase cloaked ship by the nacelles with a pair of tractor beams and make a wish.
Time travel only affects parallel universes, and bringing those in will, at most, give the Empire more galaxies to conquer.
Perion 10 months ago
lol i dont like either but star wars fans talk bullshit its not real get a life and to be fair to star trek there tech is based on facts and proven theories also starships that size will be impossible to make
charlieissocoollik 9 months ago
@charlieissocoollik The only thing limiting starships of that size is materials science and engineering.
Star Wars technology is so far beyond our level it HAS to be based on made up stuff.
Meanwhile Star Trek is far closer to our level of technology and understanding, so a few things are based on actual theories, albiet loosely. However Star Trek is not wtihout completely unrealistic and nonsensical technologies, such as the Transporter.
All in all, neither is more realistic than the other.
Perion 9 months ago
@masere the Q don't care, the romulans are weak, 8472 are cowards, the Borg are a joke, V'Ger at best can match a single Star Destroyer's firepower, the Dowd won't bother you unless you are an omnicidal maniac of Dalek wanabe proportions, the Crystaline entity was killed by an angry woman who pushed a button on the E-D, the Q don't care, Wormholes are unstable and the Empire don't need them, the caretaker is dead, iconian portals are made out of similar if not weaker materials as Imperial ships.
Perion 10 months ago
@masere Imperials have Replicator technology, everything from food replicators to skyscrapper sized
droids that eat up buildings and crap out ships, or how about the World Devastators, which are essentially weaponized replicators. Keep in mind that Imperial ships are made out of many materials the Feds never even heard of, and ones they have heard of such as carbon and Neutronium. The same stuff that the Dyson Sphere and Iconian structures are made out of. Imperials can REPLICATE this stuff.
Perion 10 months ago
@masere Nagiluum is localized in one anomaly that was never seen before or since, the Q don't care.
Those aren't radar dishes, if you look at the cross sections of them they are hyperwave sensors and communications, which are far more advanced than subspace sensors and communications. (we see them communicating in real time without relay networks from across 100,000ly in ROTS and ATOC)
Perion 10 months ago
TheDalekslayer 10 months ago
@TheDalekslayer Star Wars may have the Sun Crusher (whatever that is), but Star Trek has.....Crusher's son - WESLEY! The mere mention of his name is enough to make the Empire shake with terror and retreat. Hehe
On a serious note, just one little letter will destroy the entire SW universe with a click of the fingers - Q.
masere 10 months ago
@masere there's a massive difference between "could" and "will", while for all we know Q COULD destroy the entire empire with the click of the fingers, maybe we don't know for certain, there is no reason to assume he would, as no Q has ever displayed that level of power. Which if it doesn't bring their capability to do so into question, it most certainly bring their will to do so into serious doubt.
Perion 10 months ago
hey thumbs up if you think im awesome--and if you think star trek is better than star wars, and if you thimk they should have left the carbine, br, and chopper in the latest halo and PWNS YOU ALL rate it up
17MrBob01 11 months ago
hey vincent if you read this you suck bad
plus avatar, star wars, and halo suck worse than vincent
17MrBob01 1 year ago
@17MrBob01 are you having a laugh? HALO is the best sci-fi fps in my opinion
bennie128 11 months ago
hey vincent if you read this you suck bad
17MrBob01 1 year ago
star trek wins oh sry SPOILER ALERT!
17MrBob01 1 year ago
@17MrBob01 hahaha... no.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion DIE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha yes IN YOUR FACE thats right lets see what Captain Sisko thinks about THAT DIE STAR WARS DIE thats right you pah wraith cretins DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thumbs up awesome cool
17MrBob01 11 months ago
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@17MrBob01 let's see star wars has The Death Star The Executor The Sun Crusher The Force The CIS, The clone army, The Rebel alliance AND THE EMPIRE! Emperor Palapatine Sith Jedi The Star Forge that can produce thousands of ships in a day The Mandolorians! SO BRING IT ON YOU FUCKING TREKIES YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE BRING IT FUCKING ON
TheDalekslayer 10 months ago
this is amazing how did u make it?
robemsue 1 year ago
What I wanna know is, how did the Empire discover the location of the Starbase?
0079Gundamfan 1 year ago
@0079Gundamfan Probe droids?
Or maybe the wormhole just HAPPENED to open up there.
Roosauec 11 months ago
3:02 the entire federation fleet couldnt take on that bad boy!!!!
TheonlyShade96 1 year ago
This music is from ID4, yes? That should be thrown into the space fight arena.
KJOSCOT 1 year ago
you all suck, avatar is way beter than both combined
xenexe 1 year ago
are the sound effects from Star Trek Bridge Commander? just asking cause they sound so similar.
SpartanAceMe2 1 year ago
star trek is so much better
4dojo 1 year ago
One thing that people aren't considering is this. If a "Worm Hole" opened between the demention of Star Wars, and the Empire sent ships in the Rebels would probably send ships as well. If they didn't then they would no doubt have at least a few spys on the ships that did. These Rebels (spys or other wise) would no boubt get in touch with the good guys (aka the UFP) and provide them with any information the needed to help fend of the Empire. The truth is it wouldn't be in there intrests to stay.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater shame the rebels wouldn't be able to help, they'd see what the Federation has to work with and be all like "well shit, you're on your own guys." since the Rebels could try to teach them every trick they know, it won't help due to the massive tech gap, and if the Rebels tried to teach them how to build stuff, it still wouldn't work because the Federation wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around it, and even if they could they don't have the infrastructure to build any of it.
Perion 1 year ago
and the cherry on top, is even if they did have the infrastructure to build some ships, the Empire would STILL overwhelm them completely in a straight fight, and the only reason the Rebels won was because of Luke. The Federation have no such valuable potential sith that would warrant betting the farm on.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion So they would act like a bunch of gutless faggots is what your saying.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater No, they would continue to fight the Empire, they just don't have the resources to really stop them.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion HUH? What does that have to do with them not offering help to the Fed, since you don't feel they could stop them on there own?
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Everything, you clearly have no grasp for politics and strategy.
It would be vastly more trouble than it was worth to help the federation, far too much risk with nowhere near enough gain.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion So, if there was an rebel Spy Cell on one of thos Imperial destroyers, who are now cut off from their allies, they wouldn't try to make knew allies where they were, and do whatever they could to help them? WOW the rebels sure are stupid. No wonder the Empire was kicking them around for so long.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater They might, but there would be nothing they can do.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion So they would just give up, sit back, and let billions die with out trying to help. Makes me glad I'm more of a Star Trek Guy then a Star Wars fan.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Considering you subscribe to the Zapp Brannigan school of bravery, that doesn't mean much.
Perion 1 year ago
@McMahonHater There is a massive difference between being "gutless" and recognizing a lost cause.
like it or not, there IS such a thing as a no-win scenario.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Yeah it was called Star Trek II, but that doesn't mean you don't try. Only a coward give up without fighting.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Bullshit, giving up without a fight can SAVE lives, which is far more important than some idiotic sense of honour.
There's a difference between bravery and throwing your life and the lives of the people under your command away, which is called stupidity.
The Federation simply do not have the technology to resist, not even with help from a few rebel spies, I already went over this. you confuse Common Sense with Cowardice and Bravery with Stupidity, what are you a Klingon?
Perion 1 year ago
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avrilrockedyou 1 year ago
@McMahonHater
Posts like that basically say:
"The Federation can't do it on their own (concession ftw?), so they need the Rebels to help them out." (in regards to the "what if a wormhole opened up and the Rebels trained the UFP)
Star Wars vs. Star Trek = Star Wars faction vs. Star Trek faction
not
Star Wars faction vs. Star Trek (and Star Wars) faction
iherduliekthem 1 year ago
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@iherduliekthem Could you please pull your head out of your ass and re-read every post I have hear so you could respond correctly. I have no fucking clue what you are talking about with you jibber jabber comments.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
This would be cool, because the Vulcan's would make kick ass Jedi's.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater until they turn to the dark side every 7 years.
Perion 1 year ago
I thing Trek vs Wars is miss leading. It is most likely that the UFP would aid the rebels in the efforst to beat the empire. Espcialy if the planets resisting joined up. All thos fresh people and equipment, compined with Luck Laya and Han, it's all over for the Golactic Empire.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater problem with that is the UFP wouldn't be able to help much, the absolute most they could do is enlist in the Rebellion, since their ships would be worthless and their territory far too tiny to be of any use (150 planetary assets isn't going to be much more than a sitting duck for the Empire to make a light snack out of)
problem is at that point it's no longer Star Wars vs Star Trek and is instead Star Wars fighting over the fate of Star Trek.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Genesis Torpedoes.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Which are useless against shields.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion If supirior weapons and training always asured victory, then why did the Empire lose to teddy bears with sling shots.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Actually the Empire was winning against the Ewoks, they only started losing when one of their AT-STs were stolen and even then, it took han solo's ex imperial knowledge to fool the Imperials into opening the bunker doors.
Perion 1 year ago
i love both these series.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
It's a good point about ground warfare but remember what two low cost A10 thunderbolt warthog attack aircraft did to Iraq's retreating ground forces on the highway of death in the first gulf war. If you had a starship able to vaporize the entire surface of the planet, would you spend much time on ground forces?
Ringdogggg 1 year ago
@Ringdogggg If you would like to take the planet intact, then you would most likley spend alot on ground forces.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
One line from the episode "The outrages okona" is all thats needed - Picard says "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shielding" Thus any Empire vessel would be outclassed from the start
Gary
GaryED44 1 year ago
@GaryED44
Insert Data laughing from DEJA Q and you've got an idea of how advanced the ENTERPRISE is compared to a Star Destroyer.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@GaryED44 Shame Star Wars "Lasers" aren't the same thing as a L.a.s.e.r. in Star Trek, they move slower than light, they interact with other bolts/beams, they flak burst, they are incoherent energy and they are visible in a vacuum.
Ergo, they are not L.a.s.e.r.s
Also a powerful enough L.a.s.e.r. could obliterate the Enterprise. However, most races that have the power generation capabilities to so have switched to other types of weapons The Empire is no exception, they just kept the name.
Perion 1 year ago
Picard never said that they were immune to any L.a.s.e.r. of any power in that episode, and it's idiotic to assume that was implied.
We've seen other episodes where Laser weapons prompt Picard to order "forward shields to maximum" (TNG: Conundrum)
Or when having to escort a diplomat to a warzone using Laser weapons he demands a cease fire, since he will not "endanger this ship under any circumstances" (TNG: Loud as a Whisper)
So much for Immunity to L.a.s.e.r.s
Perion 1 year ago 2
@Perion Drop 7 of 9 onto one of their battle cruiser, in an hour it will be under her comand. In a week they will all be under her comand. The rebels win, and we can all go for a bear.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater uh no, Borg cannot assimilate Imperial technology, it's too advanced.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Picard sucks, give me Kirk over that fag anyday. Picards isn't sneaky enough to fight people as powerful as this.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater
Kirk is the one prone to fight people one-on-one, reminds me of Marty McFly before he gained the understanding that insults mean nothing.
Picard is more of a sneaky, little Fed. The bald head is a distraction!
iherduliekthem 1 year ago
Lol why you talking bull i just watched them both you idiot
charlieissocoollik 9 months ago
@charlieissocoollik I suggest you watch them again, very carefully.
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion
As a matter of fact he did, but not the way it was implied ("The Outrageous Okona). The ships are not immune to laser fire, their battle shields are. What was said was that lasers wouldn't even penetrate the Enterprises' navigational shielding.
admstacks 9 months ago
@admstacks Except they aren't, It's simply that the L.a.s.e.r.s seen in "The Outragous Okona" were far too weak. however. L.a.s.e.r.s of sufficient power (either individually or collectively) could pose a potential threat, even a very lethal one. As we saw clearly in (TNG: Loud as a Whisper)
Again most races capable of the power generation required to make a L.a.s.e.r. powerful enough to damage a federation vessel have switched to other types of energy weapons. The Empire is no different.
Perion 9 months ago
@GaryED44
1. SW weapons are not lasers.Lasers are also beam weapons like phasers, Turbolasers are bolt firing weapons.
2. To say all lasers bounce off the shields is stupid. Suppose you have aLaser with the same energy output as a Phaser. By that logic, the equally powerful laser will still bounce off simply because its a laser, which is ludicrous.
Scioneer 1 year ago
i dont get it people say star wars woul kick star treks ass in a fight but think about it people star wars is set 'a long time ago' and star trek is set in the future which means star trek have more advanced sheilds,better weapons, and better fighting tatics
QR2458 1 year ago
@QR2458 That's because Star Wars is such a powerful civilization. Their ships can cross their galaxy in hours or days, they can create replicator like factories that can pump out ships and droids in unimaginable numbers, they can produce materials thousands of time stronger than steel. They can build reactors that can produce enough power to pop a planet like a balloon etc. So Star Wars is definitely not more primitive than Star Trek.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago 2
@onlypeaceindeath Everything you just said can be done in the Star Trek series too.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater uh, no. There are tons of things that the Imperials can do that the Federation can only dream of (or have nightmares about)
Perion 1 year ago
@QR2458
SW is also set in a different galaxy, and is about a civilization that has been in space for thousands of years, not hundreds.
Scioneer 1 year ago
Star Trek all the way.
They have fighters too.
But, the Star Ships can handle their own very very well.
On ground combat could/will be very tricky though, against the force.
To me Star Trek crews have more of a family base. You not going to beat a whole family.
xxGjbbyxx 1 year ago
@xxGjbbyxx
Star trek all the way to the scrap heap, because that's where their ships will be after an encounter with the Empire.
They have fighters too,which weren't very numerous compared to the fighters launched by imperial fleets.
Ground combat would be hell for the federation, they don't have artillery, body armor, support vehicles, atmospheric fighters/bombers, grenades, troop transports scounting vehicles....yeah I can keep going.
Trek crews carry family into battle? Idiots.
blacksun2175 1 year ago 2
@blacksun2175 HAHAH u are indeed powerful
wilhelmscream25 1 year ago
@blacksun2175 To say this: Ground combat would be hell for the federation, they don't have artillery, body armor, support vehicles, atmospheric fighters/bombers, grenades, troop transports scounting vehicles....yeah I can keep going.
I assume, you feel, that we'll not feel the need to produce any of those things in the future. Don't forget we are human in the federation too. And to think we won't continue to advance in our ground war tatics against an alien attack,... "unbelievable"
xxGjbbyxx 1 year ago
@blacksun2175 Think about who we are as humans. What!? We really going to let our ground game go. No artillery, No transport vehicles, No grenades, No Assault weapons, No Protective Body wear, No knives,... I can go on also. All of these items will be more advanced though. There may be other alien races that don't have most of that. But us (Humans), Come on now. You forget who/what we are. We will fight using whatever,... lol In every movie produce that the earth was attacked, we brought it all
xxGjbbyxx 1 year ago
@xxGjbbyxx
Too bad the federation pussified due to relative peace for so long, again yet you never see any of the stuff I mentioned.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
@xxGjbbyxx
Yet the federation doesn't equipt their troops with any of them....not even dduring the dominion war. LOL
blacksun2175 1 year ago
that because the x-wing could out maourvre the enterprise but out a super star destroyer against the enterprise and let have discussion then
DJSVADER 1 year ago
@DJSVADER well let me put it this way.
Enterprise D: 24 megatons per photon torpedo, but only 1 torpedo launcher can fire at a target, they can fire in bursts but it takes time to reload in between said bursts, for a rather low average rate of fire per minute.
Acclamator Troop Transport: 2,400,000 megatons spread across 12 turrets. All able to target enemies in the forward arc, no less than 6 in any other arc, fire rate 1 shot per second each for.
Perion 1 year ago
Imperial II Class Star Destroyer: 800,000,000 megatons spread across 120 turrets, Again same fire arc distribution.
Executor Class Star Dreadnought (also known as a Super Star Destroyer) 80,000,000,000 megatons spread across over 1,000 turrets.
Let it be known that the Shielding for an ISDII is fully capable of handling another ISDII hitting it for over 30 minutes straight before it's shields go down, Federation shields rarely last 10 min from a ship with comparable firepower to their own.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion well i think they should do a movie on this and this his how the story go we all now that the rebel alliance destroyed the empire and us real starwars fans know that empire after it was destroyed became divided so i thik the divided empire should fight the future startrek people and the new rebel alliance help the startrek people and become allies
SuperPhilipr 1 year ago
@SuperPhilipr nah, too predictable of a story, not exciting enough. and besides, the Federation ships would be completely useless so about the most the Star Trek people would be able to provide is recruits.
at which point it's not Star Trek vs Star Wars anymore it's Star Wars fighting over the fate of Star Trek.
If you go to Stardestroyer,net and read the "Conquest" fanfic by Mike Wong, THAT would make one helluva exciting miniseries, I'm thinking 3-4 parts and CG Beowulf style.
Perion 1 year ago
Star Wars Wins!!!!
WOOPS! I FORGOT. Star Wars Technology will never work, even if you throw every single pseudo-scientific theory in the book! A StarShip the size of the Exterminator would destroy itself in under almost all circumstances becasue the craft would try to physically consolidate itself. (Just Saying...)
HOW THE H**L DID YOU MAKE THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
ifly6 1 year ago
@ifly6 neither will Star Trek technology, in sci-fi crossovers, the relative realism of two series makes no difference, especially since in this case, neither one is more realistic than the other.
Star Trek just likes to pretend it is.
Perion 1 year ago
It's been mathmatecelly proven by CANON sources for both that an X-wing could/would outclass the Enterprise-D
lgmmrm 1 year ago 2
Mmmhhmm... The Akira class federal ship shoulded be the first one to leave its hangar: that class is designed specifically as a warship, while the Galaxy class isn't. I hope the stardock has got phasers: the Imperial destroyers are a very very very big danger :-|
ilania95 1 year ago
@ilania95 It wouldn't matter which ship would leave the hangar first. The result would be the same.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
nice animation
1337Alepo 1 year ago
LOL it's not like anybody gave a shit about your opinion then or now. (^_~)
blacksun2175 1 year ago 2
Oh my lord, I've been gone for months and the same pathetic discussions are still taking place.
katey1dog 1 year ago
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@katey1dog Indeed.
Morons to say the least.
You know what? Nobody wins.
Why? Because they never existed you whiny fanboys.
You debate which is better, but you'll never find out.
You people are truly pathetic. Do something better, get you life back in order,
or live in the slums.
SamPD2 1 year ago
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@SamPD2 I haven't commented on this forum precisely that. But it's not me you should be worried about.
katey1dog 1 year ago
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