That's what happens sometimes when heritage determines who is the ruler. Kobayakawa was an easy to manipulate fool who just so happenly Mitsunari tasked him with the southern curve of his formation to encircle Ieyasu. Kikkawa on the other hand knew as even the late Hideyoshi's wife had knowledge of who would win when the dust settled. Mitsunari should have killed Tokugawa when he had him in Osaka castle. The perfect opportunity wasted and Tokugawa escaped undetected.
reason why kobaykawa sided with east is simply, duirng the imjin war kobaykawa messed up big time and mitsunari said to hideyoshi that he should kill himself but tokugawa stood up and said hes just a boy doing a mans job and that he should be spared, at one point kobaykawa was heading to tokugawa to side with him but mitsunari stopped him saying that 'your betraying your own family and that tokugawa will simply make a fool out of you' this worked but he still remembered that tokugawa saved him
@jumpingdan In the end tho he went insane after he chose to destroy his own family. The irony of that honestly, he went to save his family and in the end destroyed it.
Even though Mitsunari hates ambushes, another good idea is to have Otani placed in in ambush, as he has a high intelligence rating. Since Fukashima is likely to attack first, Otani's spear tactic will instantly destroy Fukashima's horse unit even if he manages to survive the ambush. I loved doing that since watching the same thing done to the English cavalry in "Braveheart."
If you want Kobayakawa ordered to do something just make the command opposite of what you want and his disobedience will actually work in Ishida's favor. In War Council I placed Kobayakawa's unit in front of Ishida to act as a shield so the Eastern Army had no choice but to fight him first.
It's not as simple as that. Sometimes he will defect as soon as the battle starts and Kobayakawa wasn't the only one who defected at Sekigahara. Mori, Kikawa, Ogawa, and many small units either defected or agreed not to interfere with Tokugawa. Easily half of Mitsunaris army was secretly in league with or at least had sympathies with Tokugawa.
Kobayakawa Hideaki was only 19 at the battle, and he had no love for Ishida, ever since Mitsunari denounced him to Hideyoshi. Kobayakawa had already promised to fight for the Tokugawa any way, so if he hadn't have defected, history would still look down on him for not keeping his word.
I'm not saying he acted justly, but given his age and cowardly disposition, he acted on his emotions (and to the blank musket shots from the Tokugawa unit).
in a way yes but some officers only sided with tokugawa (kato, fukushima being the main ones) because they hated Mitsunari and the other beauocrats officers that served under hideyoshi that problem was there while hideyoshi was alive but once he died tokugawa cleverly used that to his advantage to weaken the toyatomi's and make his army stronger and was one of the reasons why he won at sekigharia even though he was missing his son's troops because they were held up by the sanadas
Nobunaga began the quest to unite. When he died, Toyotomi the "monkey" became his successor. He put down all chances of rebellion, including Ieyasu. But when Toyotomi died, his young son took over. Ieyasu took this opportunity to rebel. So one side is supporting young Lord Toyotomi, the other supports Ieyasu.
here's a fun fact for you guys the guy voicing kobayakawa is the same guy who voice's l in the anime death note notice the irony
romacechina 5 days ago
That's what happens sometimes when heritage determines who is the ruler. Kobayakawa was an easy to manipulate fool who just so happenly Mitsunari tasked him with the southern curve of his formation to encircle Ieyasu. Kikkawa on the other hand knew as even the late Hideyoshi's wife had knowledge of who would win when the dust settled. Mitsunari should have killed Tokugawa when he had him in Osaka castle. The perfect opportunity wasted and Tokugawa escaped undetected.
BlackDeathViral03 11 months ago
Kobaykawa was a little prick and I enjoyed beating him in this game, as well as killing him in Samurai Warriors II.
tenman18 1 year ago
reason why kobaykawa sided with east is simply, duirng the imjin war kobaykawa messed up big time and mitsunari said to hideyoshi that he should kill himself but tokugawa stood up and said hes just a boy doing a mans job and that he should be spared, at one point kobaykawa was heading to tokugawa to side with him but mitsunari stopped him saying that 'your betraying your own family and that tokugawa will simply make a fool out of you' this worked but he still remembered that tokugawa saved him
jumpingdan 1 year ago
@jumpingdan In the end tho he went insane after he chose to destroy his own family. The irony of that honestly, he went to save his family and in the end destroyed it.
Hinato29 1 year ago
Even though Mitsunari hates ambushes, another good idea is to have Otani placed in in ambush, as he has a high intelligence rating. Since Fukashima is likely to attack first, Otani's spear tactic will instantly destroy Fukashima's horse unit even if he manages to survive the ambush. I loved doing that since watching the same thing done to the English cavalry in "Braveheart."
nydaimyo 2 years ago
If you want Kobayakawa ordered to do something just make the command opposite of what you want and his disobedience will actually work in Ishida's favor. In War Council I placed Kobayakawa's unit in front of Ishida to act as a shield so the Eastern Army had no choice but to fight him first.
nydaimyo 2 years ago
It's not as simple as that. Sometimes he will defect as soon as the battle starts and Kobayakawa wasn't the only one who defected at Sekigahara. Mori, Kikawa, Ogawa, and many small units either defected or agreed not to interfere with Tokugawa. Easily half of Mitsunaris army was secretly in league with or at least had sympathies with Tokugawa.
MysticalWizardMerlin 2 years ago
damn why didnt i think of that... i run around with ishida with an army on 700 soldiers or 25 and i had to hide behind him
i beated all tokugawas generals then i attackd him with all my soldiers but then reinforcements came and i got ass whooped :(
denmarkkingV2 2 years ago
i love the flute music, it's hauntingly beautiful
AlphaDragonOmega 2 years ago 6
Kobayakawa Hideaki was only 19 at the battle, and he had no love for Ishida, ever since Mitsunari denounced him to Hideyoshi. Kobayakawa had already promised to fight for the Tokugawa any way, so if he hadn't have defected, history would still look down on him for not keeping his word.
I'm not saying he acted justly, but given his age and cowardly disposition, he acted on his emotions (and to the blank musket shots from the Tokugawa unit).
DHAxel 3 years ago
i wish people would leave kobayakawa alone sure he was slightly cowardly but if it wasnt for him who knows how much history could of been changed
ThEmEmAn2 3 years ago
Kobayakawa's face looks like the Noh masks that are used in Japaneses plays...
LordZhongHui 3 years ago 3
lol, yeah
musashix 3 years ago
kobayakawa was a fool he couldn't think and decided to with the person that is the strongest
im disgusted with that man
caozhou 3 years ago 6
agreed, plus he always was a total dick in the gameplay and wouldnt obey orders.
Skullgrin140 3 years ago
in that battle I postion both idiots that disobey in the front line of the enemy
drunkenfooly 3 years ago
True, but it was his betrayal that shifted the battle of Sekigahara to Tokugawa's favor, Both in the game and historically.
But that's all he'll be remembered as. A Traitor to his own family.
ChouMemoir 3 years ago
this battle was an insult to all hideyoshi had acheived in his lifetime
FREDDO2K7 4 years ago 2
yes kikkawa and kobayakawa are in contact with the tokugawa.
karleichholtz13 4 years ago
Hideyoshi's nephew of all people. It's kinda sad how many close people betrayed him after death
musashix 4 years ago
in a way yes but some officers only sided with tokugawa (kato, fukushima being the main ones) because they hated Mitsunari and the other beauocrats officers that served under hideyoshi that problem was there while hideyoshi was alive but once he died tokugawa cleverly used that to his advantage to weaken the toyatomi's and make his army stronger and was one of the reasons why he won at sekigharia even though he was missing his son's troops because they were held up by the sanadas
romacechina 3 years ago
@musashix Kobayakawa and Kikkawa hated Ishida like Fukushima and other eastern leaders that's the main reason for their defection
Yojimbo13david 1 year ago
do you have the cutscene from tokugawa's perspective?
CaptainCool07 4 years ago
No such thing as villains. Mearly two sides facing each other. In history, Mitsunari wasn't very well liked.
Bladedwind 4 years ago
Hideaki Kobyakawa shall betray the Toyotomi
sengokusamurai 4 years ago
a man should live like lord sakonshima worth for his short life but with honour
sakonshima 4 years ago
Nobunaga began the quest to unite. When he died, Toyotomi the "monkey" became his successor. He put down all chances of rebellion, including Ieyasu. But when Toyotomi died, his young son took over. Ieyasu took this opportunity to rebel. So one side is supporting young Lord Toyotomi, the other supports Ieyasu.
musashix 5 years ago
Indeed, there is no good guy/bad guy. Only matter of opinion.
ZhouTai84 5 years ago
so Mitsunari,Kanbei,and Yukimura are the main villains of Kessen 1?
karleichholtz13 5 years ago
Yes. First you play from Tokugawa's perspective, then you can play from Mitsunari's and the others.
musashix 5 years ago