«Могущество России может быть подорвано только отделением от неё Украины… необходимо не только оторвать, но и противопоставить Украину России, стравить две части единого народа и наблюдать, как брат будет убивать брата. Для этого нужно только найти и взрастить предателей среди национальной элиты и с их помощью изменить самосознание одной части великого народа до такой степени, что он будет ненавидеть всё русское, ненавидеть свой род, не осознавая этого. Всё остальное — дело времени»
Can someone show documents that gave Sevastopol to the province Ukraine? They don't exists for the Crimean peninsula! Crimea became like Ukraine Autonomic in 1991. Ukraine took it by force in 1992 Sevastopol was still closed area and didn't belong to that deal. Sevastopol is Ukraine until someone wakes up it was a mistake. Do not fight about it. Russian flags are at all buildings and Ukrainian citizens are welcome for a holiday, as long they go home after it like the Germans did in 1944!
я буду там через месяц. недолго, полдня перед поездом, но опять увижу его )) в этом году вообще повезло побывать в Севастополе дважды, будет и третий раз )))
"""The Cimmerians, Greeks, Persians (Iranians), Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', Byzantine Greeks, Kipchaks, and the Mongols all controlled Crimea in its early history."""
"""In the 13th century it was partly controlled by the Venetians and by the Genoese; these were followed by the Crimean Khanate and Ottoman Empire in the 15th18th centuries, the Russian Empire in the 18th20th centuries, the Russian SFSR and later Ukrainian SSR within Soviet Union in the rest of 20th century, Germany in World War II, and now, the independent Ukrainian state."""
Why are you starting with the 13th century? Before the 13th century it was part of Kievan Rus, (Modern day Ukraine) It actually could be said that it was Ukrainian before it became Russian. Russia itself is a named derived from Kievan RUS. Before that it was called Muscovy.
I guess you dot read well :p,i sated that it was part of Kievan Rus,so as we go by your theory you are basicaly saying all Ukraininas are Russian,hence Crimea being Russian,well done,splendid theoryology :)
Im sorry I did not catch the bottom portion of Kievan Rus that you wrote.
However Kievan Rus established modern day territories of Russia including Moscow, and gave it its authority.
Kiev is in the center of Ukraine, therefore Ukraine has much more right to claim it for its own then Russia. A name actually derived from Kiev, Kievan RUS.
Therefore it does not matter who controlled Sevastapol in the past, because it was numerous empires, all that matters is that it is Ukrainian today.
Haha, yeah and the Chechens want to be an independent nation, but the difference is the Chechens have a much different culture, and still have to war with Russia for independence. And how do you expect Crimea to survive without Ukraines water supply, if they were to become part of Russia? Do you know what kind of burden that would be for them?
Give it a couple of more years and Ukrainianization of Crimea will be complete,
You give up because you have no idea what you are talking about. What exactly did I tell you that was incorrect? I will wait forever for you to point it out, because my history knowledge far exceeds what you obviously know about the territory without wikipedias help.
It must have been very hard for you to have such a vast history knowledge when your reading skills are so dismall either that or it just takes your brain that little bit longer than most people to keep up :)
Enayze (2 hours ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam | Spam Crimea was originally Tatar land.
Isnt that a humiliation lol
Oh and please tell me where i was insulting,i was mearly conversing in a mature manner,i suggest if you cant handle that then dont talk to me :( It was fun though and i enjoyed your banter and wit,thank you :)
lol and for your great history knowledge you thought the Tartars originaly owned Crimea,now thats ironic and funny :p oh and do try to keep up old man.
I assure you I am younger than you, and smarter (but that goes without saying). As for Tatars not "tartars" owning Crimea before Russia, I was definitely correct in saying so. Russians did not conquer Crimea from Tatars until the 18th century.
This is the last comment I leave you, because arguing with a fool only makes you a larger fool.
Bottom line is, Crimea is part of Ukraine, Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city, deal with it.
Younger by a fraction but smarter never,and i do applogize for my typo,that of which im sure youve never commited,you are so confused by what is fact,you are starting to say things i didnt even say,you stated the Tatars originaly owned Crimea,they didnt i was right you were wrong,there is no point running of crying like a little child becasue you were wrong :(
No, Sevastopol was always a Russian city, and will remain a Russian city. Ukraine does not deserve a jewel such as Crimea. And you hopefully, one day, Sevastopol will be part of Russia again.
What you mean Ukraine does not deserve Crimea? Who are you to say anything? Ukraine is the root of East Slavic civilization, if anyone it should be Ukraine who should own Crimea, from all those Cossack wars with the Tatars.
"Ukraine" is the root of East Slavic civilization? Kievan Rus (notice: Rus) is the root of slavic civilization; Ukraine is a relatively modern nation that has no real historical roots.
Cossack wars? What are you talking about? Russia freed Crimea, and Russia founded Sevastopol, Russian sailors settled in Sevastopol; therefore Sevastopol is a Russian city
The territory of Southern Rus, NOT Russia but Rus has been referred to as Ukraine by Kings of Kievan Rus on many occasions. Ukraine always existed its only uneducated people such as yourself who want to suppress any known history of the country. Take a wild guess on what territory Kiev is located
Ukraines historical roots are in Kiev, Galicia, and the Cossacks. There wasn't even such a thing as Russia before the 18th century, it was called "Muscovy". Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city, deal with it
It is incredibly difficult to argue with a Ukrainian nationalist with a limited knowledge of history... But here it goes:
Kievan Rus was never called Ukraine, because Ukraine comes from the word "Okraina" which means borderland - Kievan kings would not call the birthplace of Russian and East Slavic civilization the borderland
Ukraine itself is a result of Polish influence on what was Kievan Rus after the Mongol Invasion; what you call "Ukrainian" was the result of Polish rule over Kievan Rus.
No partner I am actually a history major, so do not tell me to learn something that you have no idea of. Ukraine is refers to the territory of present day Ukraine. Ukraine is the name that was used by Kievs Kings to indicate a principality. A major principality in fact, the one where Kiev and Galicia were located, that is a fact.
1187 entry on the death of Prince Volodymyr of Pereyaslav says The Ukraina groaned for him, ѡ нем же Оукраина много постона (wikipedia)
A history major uses quotes from wikipedia? There's something incredibly fishy about that.
I repeat, Ukraine comes from the world borderland. It was used to describe border provinces such as Galicia - it was never used to describe Kievan Rus itself, which wasn't Ukraine.
Do you understand how hard you Muscovites have been trying to erase Ukraine, and its history off the face of the planet? From the betrayal after Pereyaslav, to the Ems Ukaz, to communists, to present day chauvinists such as yourself. You have been endlessly trying to erase the place which creates your complex.
The Tryzub is a UKRAINIAN national symbol, a symbol which was used as coat of arms by Kievan Kings. Kyiv (the mother of Slavic civilization) is a Ukrainian city, located in Ukraine
Erase Ukraine? How can we erase something from history that was never there in the first place?
I don't care about the Tryzub, you can go shove it up where you like it, it has no place in this argument. Even so, it was a symbol of Kievan Rus which Ukraine decided to put on its modern coat of arms;. doesn't make it it Ukrainian, though, jsut because Kievan Rus was geographically where modern Ukraine is now today
Hello, Please can someone show documents that made Crimea and Sevastopol into Ukrainian territory in 1954????? Where is this officially written? Crimea is occupied territory after 1992. The moment that Crimea took the Moscow time
Legally, Sevastopol is still a Russian city; however, in the Peace and Friendship Treaty between Russia and Ukraine, it was agreed that Sevastopol would go to Ukraine and Russia can lease its military bases in Sevastopol; if Yushenko violates that treaty by refusng to extend the rent for the military bases, then Russia has legal pretext for demanding back Sevastopol.
By you? You're an idiot who can't tie two sentences together nor can sustain a decent argument. Get an education, and come to Sevastopol, we'd much like to show you the wonders of Sevastopol and how amazing they look when you have a tryzub shoved up your ass.
Legally Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city which we really couldn't give two shits about.
Kyiv, Lviv, Chernihiv, amongst many other cities are more precious to Ukraine than the dump you call Sevastopol.
Russia has shit after 2017, when the lease is over. It will leave or it will be forced to leave.
I guess thank you papa Khruschev for giving us this "gem" haha that actually belonged to the Tatars that the Cossacks fought so hard against. You know Cossacks, the Hahols you call "Ukrainians"
Forced to leave? Ha ha by what? By the old farts sitting in Kiev? Legally Sevastopol is a Russian city, whether you like it or not.
You're obviously a 12 yr old Ukrainian nationalist who doesn't know shit about history; let me educate you; Sevastopol was NEVER a Tatar city, since it was founded in the 19th century by RUSSIA.
Oh and you couldn't give two shits about it? Crimea and Sevastopol is the only valuable possession Ukraine has.
Give them hell, because you are right! The total rent of the port goes to Kiev at the moment. Can you immagian how rich Sevastopol would be being Autonome like Monaco? For what she needs Ukraine? Yes Ukraine is good to reach Crimea by land from the rest of modern and civelized western Europe! Ever been in west Ukraine? I think the former citizens of Mangup Cale live there now. (Smile) We are always happy to have past that 600 km of desaster going home from our holiday in West Europe.
The Habsburg (Ludwig) used to send their criminals to that area of Lviv when it was theirs. I don't understand that everyone can be so quiet in Sevastopol being occupied by Ukraine (1992). As Dutch I love the city and the Russians because of common history. But we still hate the Germans for stealing grandfathers bike. Are the Ukrainian better in this then the Germans, or did the locals change?? Please help me understand because I am just a humble farmer.
Western land, particularly Galicia belong to Kievan Rus way before it belonged to Poland. Now Ukraine has regained that land. What do you think the Khmelnytski uprising was about? Just because a country conquers parts of another countries lands does not rightfully make it their land. Crimea rightfully belongs to Tatars in the end, not Russia or Ukraine.
Crimea is dependent on Ukraine economically, it is where they get their main source of fresh water.
The lands of Galicia belonged to Kievan Rus way before Polish rulers ever got their paws on them, now we have regained them. This of course is written in simple history which you do not have enough brain capacity to comprehend. I cannot argue with a 19 year old fool, who still is in highschool because he probably got left back more than once.
Dump Sevastopol? Ever been here? And who would like to force the Russians to leave? "They" would have to deport 99,5% of the population. Poor people only received by accident a Ukrainian passport, but are at heart Russian. Just had the New Year with again the largest fire works at 23.00 local time. That is 24.00 Moscwa time you know? Funny you call Khruschev a Hahol! :-) Time they give West Ukraine back to the Habsburg empire. At least there is a normal lady boss in parliament.
No one is kicking any Russians out. Crimea was given to Ukraine based on many things. No.1 Economically it is almost completely dependent on Ukraine for things such as water and other things. Geographically its fit to be part of Ukraine. And second the Russian citizens can enjoy Crimea all they wont, just as long as they respect the country and dont act like idiots when national questions arise.
To be honest Russia does not even want Crimea, because that will create a burden for them.
Wrong once more. Really, when are you gonna say something with substance? Sevastopol gets millions of rubles invested into it from Moscow every year; Russia invests money into apartment blocks for its sailors; Sevastopol can pretty much be fully sustained by Russia.
We came here to teach people like you, to eat with knife and fork, but had to stop very quickly because not many survived trying it. Now we started with the alfabeth and we are already at the C after 10 years. So for your standards, that is very good! By the way, you moved not too long ago away from Chufut Cale? I saw never so many universities and high educated people together in one place like Sevastopol. But what would I know? I have seen just a little of the world with 96 countries.
lol you came here to teach us to eat with a knife and fork when you yourself have a history of doing it with your hands. Tell me how can an egg teach a chicken? How can you do anything in Sevastopol? Everyone is against you? Im not a fan of Sevastopol, not because I hate the city, but because the people living their thing they are above Ukrainian law. You are more than welcomed to leave Ukraine at any point you wish, and attempt to "teach" someone else to eat with a fork and knife.
Thank you for your answer, but I do not understand why it is so quiet at the peninsula without any official documents. 1991 Crimea announced autonomic. in 1992 it became occupied territory by Ukraine who didn't like the clock put to Russian time. You can agree with it that Crimea is the same like South Ossetia Palestine Ireland Bask and more! It is occupied area. The whole world did fight when the Germans did this. Now it is quiet. I am not in favour of Russia, but Crimea has right to be free
Free? As in independent? I don't think that's what the majority wants; the ties we have to Russia are too great to cut loose; if Crimea ever secedes from Ukraine, it will eventually become part of Russia, or depend on it greatly, in any case.
I know but it just would be fantastic for the area. I have seen 96 countries during 25 years of travel, but like Sevastopol the best of all places. They have all what is spred in the rest of the world, in a small area. As independed taxfree state it would even be a better place. However then the prices of hotels and apartment would have to level to normal rates instead the gold they ask now. The ties with Russia have to be very strong as well for economical reasons.
Kroutchev who was ukrainian give crimea only because ukrain was in SSSR.
Now you are "independant" and you hate russians, so it will be difficult to stay in Crimea. Don't forget Sevastopol was built
by russians and the most of people of Crimea have blood russian. They 'll never leave. You need russia to live. Because European Union and nato never fight for you. Obama says no to Ukrain to come in Nato.Don't be esthonish if Crimea as kosovo will soon ask his independance.
There is a critical problem, no.1 Crimea was originally Tatar land, second it will remain in Ukraine as will Kosovo.
Third who do we need protection from that Russia is going to fight for us? The only people we do need protection from is YOU, Russia, because throughout history Russia feels like it needs to combine Ukraine into its Empire or else its not an empire.
I dont hate Russians, but I appreciate my independence.
Thank you for your friendly answer. May I understand there is no official document of the Khruschev action? And What if the minority of Ukrainians in parliament at the moment, don't extend the rental contract in 2016? Is there a chance that Sevastopol returns to the right owner Russia?
Thank you for the updat on my mistake of 1955. However you seem to be smart and I am sure you may be able to tell me where I can find a copy of the official document of that fact?? I am very interested because I am forreign living in Sevastopol.
THe people living in that geographical location did not change. They are the same people of Rus who now consider themselves Ukrainians.
People from Kyiv call themselves Ukrainian, som would punch you in the face for calling them Russian many of them do not like Russians, & some are bigger nationalists than that of Lviv.
Therefore I will take the Tryzub thank you its one of the only things the Muscovites did not steal from Ukraine, and I do not think you realize how important the Coat of Arms is.
They didn't change? Not even after centuries of Polish Lithuanian rule?
Look, you're wasting my time. You don't know anything about history nor are you an intelligent person whom I'd like to debate with. So I suggest you shove that Tryzub up your ass or come up with a decent argument or something close.
Under the protection of the Tryzub? Are you fucking kidding me? The Ukrainian military is a joke, a rusting, decomposing piece of shit. We're living under the protection of Russian sailors, those who can actually fight, instead of you whimpering sons of a bitches, who'd run to the Nazis at first sight.
How about this, instead of worrying about Crimea, which is not even your land originally, but the Tatars land, why dont you worry about Alaska. A true Russian land leased to America. Why dont you scream about getting Alaska back?
I will tell you why, because America takes a dump on you, and being a bully does not work against someone who can kick your ass.
You know why I don't worry about Alaska? Because I'm from Sevastopol. And no, Crimea is not Tatar land; it was originally populated by the Skythians; it was conquered by many others, the last one being Russia.
Oh and about the Alaska, we sold it fair and square; yes maybe it was a stupid move, but we have no claims on it, and have no desire to put any claims on it.
Populated by the Scythians and who do you think the Scythians were? They are what modern Ukrainians turned into. The capital of Scythia is reported to be some miles away from Kyiv.
And you did not sell Alaska, you leased Alaska for some 100 years that have now expired. Of course Alaska is a lost hope, no way America gives it back, but then again so is Crimea, no way Ukraine gives it back as well.
So in reality the Ukrainian national identity is simply an amalgamation of Russian and Polish culture.
Oh and you're wrong, Russia "was there", except it was broken down in many kingdoms; Muscovy united them all by 1721; there was a Russian people then; there was a Russian language; there was a Russian culture and there was Russia before 1721. Ukraine? Sorry, there was nothing Ukrainian then. Ukraine was called Malorossia (Little Russia) - that says something doesn't it?
Malorossia? Lol according to who? your backward Tsars as a result of their complex?
The term Ukraine is mentioned for the years 1187, 1189, 1213, 1280, and 1282 for various East Slavic lands (for example, Galician Ukrayina, etc). If you do not believe me look it up for yourself, its there in "TRUE" history.
You my friend are delusional, there was no such thing as RUSSIA, before the 18th century. Muscovy stole the name Rus that belonged to Kyiv shamelessly and added a SIA at the end.
See below. Ukraine was not used to describe Kievan Rus, only the border provinces. Kievan Rus, in culture, identity, language and history is Russian, not Ukrainian (which is a modern make-up identity).
Muscovy was the successor of the Kievan Rus; Kiev was a russian city, in terms of culture and language.
On the basis that this isnt 1914 anymore. Sevastopol as of 1954 is a Ukrainian city, you can cry about it all you like, but that is just how the cookie crumbles.
And its ok Lviv and Kyiv are 10 times more "great" than your beloved Sevastopol. Kyiv is actually the greatest of all Slavic cities.
I wn't cry about it. You know what happened when you tried to put up a sign "Sevastopol - city of Ukrainian glory"? We took down the sign and we drowned it in the sea. Ukraine is a crumbling piece of shit, and we have no intention of going down with you.
I suggest you take a couple of history courses and stop relying on wikipedia to give you all your information. THe map you are speaking of I am sure is from the 10th century. However by the 12th century Kievan Rus had encompassed all of the territory surrounding the black sea, including Crimea.
Yup you have failed,i am going on several sources,one being that my wife is from Crimea,i wouldnt comment on stuff if i didnt know what i was talking about but from what i see,you clearly do :)
Why would I hate Russia because I am American? You guys make no difference in my life, but as a History major I know that Russia derived from Kiev, present day Ukraine, and that it also where it got its name from Kievan RUS, thus RUS.
There would be no Russia without Ukraine, however Ukraine can exist without Russia, so I guess that is why subconsciously Russians want to unite with Ukraine against the Ukrainians will?
And i was wrong for saying it ws "originaly" Russian,however it ws part of Russia before it was part of Ukraine and most of its population is Russian who for years have wanted their indipendance from Ukraine.
«Могущество России может быть подорвано только отделением от неё Украины… необходимо не только оторвать, но и противопоставить Украину России, стравить две части единого народа и наблюдать, как брат будет убивать брата. Для этого нужно только найти и взрастить предателей среди национальной элиты и с их помощью изменить самосознание одной части великого народа до такой степени, что он будет ненавидеть всё русское, ненавидеть свой род, не осознавая этого. Всё остальное — дело времени»
Bugel852 1 year ago
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watcherwatcher2 1 year ago
moja lubimaja rodina....
priwet ostrjakam.............lozmanskaja-bozmanskaja.........soskychilis uje do smerti....po tebe,sevastopol.......
protest5 3 years ago
Остряки)) а какой именно кусок? мы жили у Московского рынка ))
lazycat83 3 years ago
@lazycat83 generala chrjykina 3 ostonowki pered 5 km
protest5 1 year ago
Crimea belongs to Russia, not Ukraine.
wnxsilence 3 years ago 7
Can someone show documents that gave Sevastopol to the province Ukraine? They don't exists for the Crimean peninsula! Crimea became like Ukraine Autonomic in 1991. Ukraine took it by force in 1992 Sevastopol was still closed area and didn't belong to that deal. Sevastopol is Ukraine until someone wakes up it was a mistake. Do not fight about it. Russian flags are at all buildings and Ukrainian citizens are welcome for a holiday, as long they go home after it like the Germans did in 1944!
robin6463 3 years ago
im from there and i lived really close to places that u ware showing!
lv2sing103 3 years ago
Thanks for the video. I live in Sevastopol, but never heared this wonderful song.
1russianwoman 3 years ago
wsego mesjaz nasad buli w sewastopole,no uje prosto newunosimo chochetsja nasad....postojanno w serdze sewastopol...libimuj i rodnoj nasch gorod
spasibo sa kagru
my liebe sewastopol....
protest5 3 years ago
я буду там через месяц. недолго, полдня перед поездом, но опять увижу его )) в этом году вообще повезло побывать в Севастополе дважды, будет и третий раз )))
lazycat83 3 years ago
jimira99, это Ольга Тишина, песня называется "Город, любимый всеми богами".
Veyf 3 years ago
Thanks for this amazing video mate!!!!
Love Sevastopol and "Kamyshevaya Bukhta"
InstitutionalTrader 3 years ago
Spasibo! Ein hübsches Video, dass Sehnsucht nach dem Schwarzem Meer weckt. Ich würde die Stadt gern sehen. Alles Gute! Danke!
aurorakater 4 years ago
Sevastopol is Russian or Ukrainian city??????
ombrut 4 years ago
Ukrainian, but most of the people there are Russian.
jimira99 4 years ago
Russian!!!
mvlasenko 4 years ago
You wish
Enayze 3 years ago
Crimea was originaly Russian,but Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave it to Ukriane as a present,i guess he did so because it was his homeland.
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Crimea was originally Tatar land.
Enayze 3 years ago
Actually you will find that it was originaly Cimmerian land,the Tartars didnt own it to a lot later :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Ehh either way not Russian. Didn't the Greeks possess it at one point as well?
Enayze 3 years ago
"""The Cimmerians, Greeks, Persians (Iranians), Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', Byzantine Greeks, Kipchaks, and the Mongols all controlled Crimea in its early history."""
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
"""In the 13th century it was partly controlled by the Venetians and by the Genoese; these were followed by the Crimean Khanate and Ottoman Empire in the 15th18th centuries, the Russian Empire in the 18th20th centuries, the Russian SFSR and later Ukrainian SSR within Soviet Union in the rest of 20th century, Germany in World War II, and now, the independent Ukrainian state."""
Got from Wikipedia
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Why are you starting with the 13th century? Before the 13th century it was part of Kievan Rus, (Modern day Ukraine) It actually could be said that it was Ukrainian before it became Russian. Russia itself is a named derived from Kievan RUS. Before that it was called Muscovy.
Enayze 3 years ago
I guess you dot read well :p,i sated that it was part of Kievan Rus,so as we go by your theory you are basicaly saying all Ukraininas are Russian,hence Crimea being Russian,well done,splendid theoryology :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Im sorry I did not catch the bottom portion of Kievan Rus that you wrote.
However Kievan Rus established modern day territories of Russia including Moscow, and gave it its authority.
Kiev is in the center of Ukraine, therefore Ukraine has much more right to claim it for its own then Russia. A name actually derived from Kiev, Kievan RUS.
Therefore it does not matter who controlled Sevastapol in the past, because it was numerous empires, all that matters is that it is Ukrainian today.
Enayze 3 years ago
Maybe,but you fail to realise Sevastopol and the rest of Crimea dont want to be part of Ukraine,they want to rejoin Russia :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Haha, yeah and the Chechens want to be an independent nation, but the difference is the Chechens have a much different culture, and still have to war with Russia for independence. And how do you expect Crimea to survive without Ukraines water supply, if they were to become part of Russia? Do you know what kind of burden that would be for them?
Give it a couple of more years and Ukrainianization of Crimea will be complete,
Enayze 3 years ago
lol i give up you have no idea what you are really talking about,also give your history proffesor a kicking,he screwed your teaching up.
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
You give up because you have no idea what you are talking about. What exactly did I tell you that was incorrect? I will wait forever for you to point it out, because my history knowledge far exceeds what you obviously know about the territory without wikipedias help.
Enayze 3 years ago
It must have been very hard for you to have such a vast history knowledge when your reading skills are so dismall either that or it just takes your brain that little bit longer than most people to keep up :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
I guess this argument is over. It is always a clear sign that a person has been defeated when they result to insults.
Have a good day sir, and please in the future dont humiliate yourself again with anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Enayze 3 years ago
Oh and
Enayze (2 hours ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam | Spam Crimea was originally Tatar land.
Isnt that a humiliation lol
Oh and please tell me where i was insulting,i was mearly conversing in a mature manner,i suggest if you cant handle that then dont talk to me :( It was fun though and i enjoyed your banter and wit,thank you :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
lol and for your great history knowledge you thought the Tartars originaly owned Crimea,now thats ironic and funny :p oh and do try to keep up old man.
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
I assure you I am younger than you, and smarter (but that goes without saying). As for Tatars not "tartars" owning Crimea before Russia, I was definitely correct in saying so. Russians did not conquer Crimea from Tatars until the 18th century.
This is the last comment I leave you, because arguing with a fool only makes you a larger fool.
Bottom line is, Crimea is part of Ukraine, Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city, deal with it.
Enayze 3 years ago
Younger by a fraction but smarter never,and i do applogize for my typo,that of which im sure youve never commited,you are so confused by what is fact,you are starting to say things i didnt even say,you stated the Tatars originaly owned Crimea,they didnt i was right you were wrong,there is no point running of crying like a little child becasue you were wrong :(
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
No, Sevastopol was always a Russian city, and will remain a Russian city. Ukraine does not deserve a jewel such as Crimea. And you hopefully, one day, Sevastopol will be part of Russia again.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Keep dreaming
Enayze 3 years ago
It will be
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
What you mean Ukraine does not deserve Crimea? Who are you to say anything? Ukraine is the root of East Slavic civilization, if anyone it should be Ukraine who should own Crimea, from all those Cossack wars with the Tatars.
Enayze 3 years ago
"Ukraine" is the root of East Slavic civilization? Kievan Rus (notice: Rus) is the root of slavic civilization; Ukraine is a relatively modern nation that has no real historical roots.
Cossack wars? What are you talking about? Russia freed Crimea, and Russia founded Sevastopol, Russian sailors settled in Sevastopol; therefore Sevastopol is a Russian city
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
The territory of Southern Rus, NOT Russia but Rus has been referred to as Ukraine by Kings of Kievan Rus on many occasions. Ukraine always existed its only uneducated people such as yourself who want to suppress any known history of the country. Take a wild guess on what territory Kiev is located
Ukraines historical roots are in Kiev, Galicia, and the Cossacks. There wasn't even such a thing as Russia before the 18th century, it was called "Muscovy". Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city, deal with it
Enayze 3 years ago
It is incredibly difficult to argue with a Ukrainian nationalist with a limited knowledge of history... But here it goes:
Kievan Rus was never called Ukraine, because Ukraine comes from the word "Okraina" which means borderland - Kievan kings would not call the birthplace of Russian and East Slavic civilization the borderland
Ukraine itself is a result of Polish influence on what was Kievan Rus after the Mongol Invasion; what you call "Ukrainian" was the result of Polish rule over Kievan Rus.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
No partner I am actually a history major, so do not tell me to learn something that you have no idea of. Ukraine is refers to the territory of present day Ukraine. Ukraine is the name that was used by Kievs Kings to indicate a principality. A major principality in fact, the one where Kiev and Galicia were located, that is a fact.
1187 entry on the death of Prince Volodymyr of Pereyaslav says The Ukraina groaned for him, ѡ нем же Оукраина много постона (wikipedia)
Enayze 3 years ago
A history major uses quotes from wikipedia? There's something incredibly fishy about that.
I repeat, Ukraine comes from the world borderland. It was used to describe border provinces such as Galicia - it was never used to describe Kievan Rus itself, which wasn't Ukraine.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Those quotes are directly from the Primay Chronicle. Is the Primary Chronicle fishy to you as well? I know Wikipedia is said to be
an "unreliable" source, but it has all the right information, so I might as well use it.
Ukraine was used to describe not the borderland, but the principalities of Kyiv and Galicia.
Kievan Rus, was Kievan Rus, but either way it was NOT RUSSIA
Enayze 3 years ago
Neither was it Ukraine (the modern description). Full stop.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Do you understand how hard you Muscovites have been trying to erase Ukraine, and its history off the face of the planet? From the betrayal after Pereyaslav, to the Ems Ukaz, to communists, to present day chauvinists such as yourself. You have been endlessly trying to erase the place which creates your complex.
The Tryzub is a UKRAINIAN national symbol, a symbol which was used as coat of arms by Kievan Kings. Kyiv (the mother of Slavic civilization) is a Ukrainian city, located in Ukraine
Enayze 3 years ago
Erase Ukraine? How can we erase something from history that was never there in the first place?
I don't care about the Tryzub, you can go shove it up where you like it, it has no place in this argument. Even so, it was a symbol of Kievan Rus which Ukraine decided to put on its modern coat of arms;. doesn't make it it Ukrainian, though, jsut because Kievan Rus was geographically where modern Ukraine is now today
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Hello, Please can someone show documents that made Crimea and Sevastopol into Ukrainian territory in 1954????? Where is this officially written? Crimea is occupied territory after 1992. The moment that Crimea took the Moscow time
robin6463 3 years ago
Legally, Sevastopol is still a Russian city; however, in the Peace and Friendship Treaty between Russia and Ukraine, it was agreed that Sevastopol would go to Ukraine and Russia can lease its military bases in Sevastopol; if Yushenko violates that treaty by refusng to extend the rent for the military bases, then Russia has legal pretext for demanding back Sevastopol.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Ah typical Moscal foaming out the mouth because he has been proven wrong.
Enayze 3 years ago
By you? You're an idiot who can't tie two sentences together nor can sustain a decent argument. Get an education, and come to Sevastopol, we'd much like to show you the wonders of Sevastopol and how amazing they look when you have a tryzub shoved up your ass.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Legally Sevastopol is a Ukrainian city which we really couldn't give two shits about.
Kyiv, Lviv, Chernihiv, amongst many other cities are more precious to Ukraine than the dump you call Sevastopol.
Russia has shit after 2017, when the lease is over. It will leave or it will be forced to leave.
I guess thank you papa Khruschev for giving us this "gem" haha that actually belonged to the Tatars that the Cossacks fought so hard against. You know Cossacks, the Hahols you call "Ukrainians"
Enayze 3 years ago
Forced to leave? Ha ha by what? By the old farts sitting in Kiev? Legally Sevastopol is a Russian city, whether you like it or not.
You're obviously a 12 yr old Ukrainian nationalist who doesn't know shit about history; let me educate you; Sevastopol was NEVER a Tatar city, since it was founded in the 19th century by RUSSIA.
Oh and you couldn't give two shits about it? Crimea and Sevastopol is the only valuable possession Ukraine has.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Give them hell, because you are right! The total rent of the port goes to Kiev at the moment. Can you immagian how rich Sevastopol would be being Autonome like Monaco? For what she needs Ukraine? Yes Ukraine is good to reach Crimea by land from the rest of modern and civelized western Europe! Ever been in west Ukraine? I think the former citizens of Mangup Cale live there now. (Smile) We are always happy to have past that 600 km of desaster going home from our holiday in West Europe.
robin6463 3 years ago
"Crimea and Sevastopol is the only valuable possession Ukraine has."
First off I am an adult with an education, something your clearly lacking.
You on the other hand call NO shots, and have no say in anything that Ukraine does. As long as your living in Crimea or Sevastopol your our bitch.
As for Crimea and Sevastopol, you can shove both those territories up your ass, they are not Crimea in general is not even Russia, but Tatar land.
Handle Chechnya before you even start thinking about Crimea
Enayze 3 years ago
You're an adult with an education? Don't make me laugh, there's more intelligence in a dead fish then you.
Your bitch? Ha ha, good one, just try coming down from Lviv or Kiev or whatever shithole you're from and say that to anyone in Sevastopol.
Tatar Land? Then Western Ukraine is Polish land. Poles, take back what is yours!
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Then Western Ukraine is Polish land.
The Habsburg (Ludwig) used to send their criminals to that area of Lviv when it was theirs. I don't understand that everyone can be so quiet in Sevastopol being occupied by Ukraine (1992). As Dutch I love the city and the Russians because of common history. But we still hate the Germans for stealing grandfathers bike. Are the Ukrainian better in this then the Germans, or did the locals change?? Please help me understand because I am just a humble farmer.
robin6463 3 years ago
Western land, particularly Galicia belong to Kievan Rus way before it belonged to Poland. Now Ukraine has regained that land. What do you think the Khmelnytski uprising was about? Just because a country conquers parts of another countries lands does not rightfully make it their land. Crimea rightfully belongs to Tatars in the end, not Russia or Ukraine.
Crimea is dependent on Ukraine economically, it is where they get their main source of fresh water.
Enayze 3 years ago
The lands of Galicia belonged to Kievan Rus way before Polish rulers ever got their paws on them, now we have regained them. This of course is written in simple history which you do not have enough brain capacity to comprehend. I cannot argue with a 19 year old fool, who still is in highschool because he probably got left back more than once.
Enayze 3 years ago
Dump Sevastopol? Ever been here? And who would like to force the Russians to leave? "They" would have to deport 99,5% of the population. Poor people only received by accident a Ukrainian passport, but are at heart Russian. Just had the New Year with again the largest fire works at 23.00 local time. That is 24.00 Moscwa time you know? Funny you call Khruschev a Hahol! :-) Time they give West Ukraine back to the Habsburg empire. At least there is a normal lady boss in parliament.
robin6463 3 years ago
No one is kicking any Russians out. Crimea was given to Ukraine based on many things. No.1 Economically it is almost completely dependent on Ukraine for things such as water and other things. Geographically its fit to be part of Ukraine. And second the Russian citizens can enjoy Crimea all they wont, just as long as they respect the country and dont act like idiots when national questions arise.
To be honest Russia does not even want Crimea, because that will create a burden for them.
Enayze 3 years ago
Wrong once more. Really, when are you gonna say something with substance? Sevastopol gets millions of rubles invested into it from Moscow every year; Russia invests money into apartment blocks for its sailors; Sevastopol can pretty much be fully sustained by Russia.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
You're an idiot who does not know the first thing about politics and economics.
Enayze 3 years ago
We came here to teach people like you, to eat with knife and fork, but had to stop very quickly because not many survived trying it. Now we started with the alfabeth and we are already at the C after 10 years. So for your standards, that is very good! By the way, you moved not too long ago away from Chufut Cale? I saw never so many universities and high educated people together in one place like Sevastopol. But what would I know? I have seen just a little of the world with 96 countries.
robin6463 3 years ago
lol you came here to teach us to eat with a knife and fork when you yourself have a history of doing it with your hands. Tell me how can an egg teach a chicken? How can you do anything in Sevastopol? Everyone is against you? Im not a fan of Sevastopol, not because I hate the city, but because the people living their thing they are above Ukrainian law. You are more than welcomed to leave Ukraine at any point you wish, and attempt to "teach" someone else to eat with a fork and knife.
Enayze 3 years ago
Thank you for your answer, but I do not understand why it is so quiet at the peninsula without any official documents. 1991 Crimea announced autonomic. in 1992 it became occupied territory by Ukraine who didn't like the clock put to Russian time. You can agree with it that Crimea is the same like South Ossetia Palestine Ireland Bask and more! It is occupied area. The whole world did fight when the Germans did this. Now it is quiet. I am not in favour of Russia, but Crimea has right to be free
robin6463 3 years ago
Free? As in independent? I don't think that's what the majority wants; the ties we have to Russia are too great to cut loose; if Crimea ever secedes from Ukraine, it will eventually become part of Russia, or depend on it greatly, in any case.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago 2
majority wants,
I know but it just would be fantastic for the area. I have seen 96 countries during 25 years of travel, but like Sevastopol the best of all places. They have all what is spred in the rest of the world, in a small area. As independed taxfree state it would even be a better place. However then the prices of hotels and apartment would have to level to normal rates instead the gold they ask now. The ties with Russia have to be very strong as well for economical reasons.
robin6463 3 years ago 5
Kroutchev who was ukrainian give crimea only because ukrain was in SSSR.
Now you are "independant" and you hate russians, so it will be difficult to stay in Crimea. Don't forget Sevastopol was built
by russians and the most of people of Crimea have blood russian. They 'll never leave. You need russia to live. Because European Union and nato never fight for you. Obama says no to Ukrain to come in Nato.Don't be esthonish if Crimea as kosovo will soon ask his independance.
VALASTA1 3 years ago
There is a critical problem, no.1 Crimea was originally Tatar land, second it will remain in Ukraine as will Kosovo.
Third who do we need protection from that Russia is going to fight for us? The only people we do need protection from is YOU, Russia, because throughout history Russia feels like it needs to combine Ukraine into its Empire or else its not an empire.
I dont hate Russians, but I appreciate my independence.
Enayze 3 years ago
Thank you for your friendly answer. May I understand there is no official document of the Khruschev action? And What if the minority of Ukrainians in parliament at the moment, don't extend the rental contract in 2016? Is there a chance that Sevastopol returns to the right owner Russia?
robin6463 3 years ago
Im sorry not in 1954, but in 1955 Khruschev ceded Crimea from Russia to Ukraine. Look it up yourself.
Enayze 3 years ago
Thank you for the updat on my mistake of 1955. However you seem to be smart and I am sure you may be able to tell me where I can find a copy of the official document of that fact?? I am very interested because I am forreign living in Sevastopol.
robin6463 3 years ago
THe people living in that geographical location did not change. They are the same people of Rus who now consider themselves Ukrainians.
People from Kyiv call themselves Ukrainian, som would punch you in the face for calling them Russian many of them do not like Russians, & some are bigger nationalists than that of Lviv.
Therefore I will take the Tryzub thank you its one of the only things the Muscovites did not steal from Ukraine, and I do not think you realize how important the Coat of Arms is.
Enayze 3 years ago
They didn't change? Not even after centuries of Polish Lithuanian rule?
Look, you're wasting my time. You don't know anything about history nor are you an intelligent person whom I'd like to debate with. So I suggest you shove that Tryzub up your ass or come up with a decent argument or something close.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Your not debating with anyone, because you do not have enough brain capacity to understand simple facts written into ancient documents.
As for the Tryzub, your living under its protection you ungrateful son of a bitch. Get the hell out of Crimea if you do not like it ok?
Ukraine does want you there anyways, so move back to your precious Siberia where you belong.
Enayze 3 years ago
Under the protection of the Tryzub? Are you fucking kidding me? The Ukrainian military is a joke, a rusting, decomposing piece of shit. We're living under the protection of Russian sailors, those who can actually fight, instead of you whimpering sons of a bitches, who'd run to the Nazis at first sight.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Your Russian sailors will leave after 2017, mark my words.
Enayze 3 years ago
How about this, instead of worrying about Crimea, which is not even your land originally, but the Tatars land, why dont you worry about Alaska. A true Russian land leased to America. Why dont you scream about getting Alaska back?
I will tell you why, because America takes a dump on you, and being a bully does not work against someone who can kick your ass.
Enayze 3 years ago
You know why I don't worry about Alaska? Because I'm from Sevastopol. And no, Crimea is not Tatar land; it was originally populated by the Skythians; it was conquered by many others, the last one being Russia.
Oh and about the Alaska, we sold it fair and square; yes maybe it was a stupid move, but we have no claims on it, and have no desire to put any claims on it.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago 2
Populated by the Scythians and who do you think the Scythians were? They are what modern Ukrainians turned into. The capital of Scythia is reported to be some miles away from Kyiv.
And you did not sell Alaska, you leased Alaska for some 100 years that have now expired. Of course Alaska is a lost hope, no way America gives it back, but then again so is Crimea, no way Ukraine gives it back as well.
Enayze 3 years ago
So in reality the Ukrainian national identity is simply an amalgamation of Russian and Polish culture.
Oh and you're wrong, Russia "was there", except it was broken down in many kingdoms; Muscovy united them all by 1721; there was a Russian people then; there was a Russian language; there was a Russian culture and there was Russia before 1721. Ukraine? Sorry, there was nothing Ukrainian then. Ukraine was called Malorossia (Little Russia) - that says something doesn't it?
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Malorossia? Lol according to who? your backward Tsars as a result of their complex?
The term Ukraine is mentioned for the years 1187, 1189, 1213, 1280, and 1282 for various East Slavic lands (for example, Galician Ukrayina, etc). If you do not believe me look it up for yourself, its there in "TRUE" history.
You my friend are delusional, there was no such thing as RUSSIA, before the 18th century. Muscovy stole the name Rus that belonged to Kyiv shamelessly and added a SIA at the end.
Enayze 3 years ago
See below. Ukraine was not used to describe Kievan Rus, only the border provinces. Kievan Rus, in culture, identity, language and history is Russian, not Ukrainian (which is a modern make-up identity).
Muscovy was the successor of the Kievan Rus; Kiev was a russian city, in terms of culture and language.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
On what basis is Sevastopol a Ukrainian city?
I repeat: Crimea was conquered by the RUSSIAN Empire, Sevastopol was founded by RUSSIA, it was populated by RUSSIANS; therefore it is RUSSIAN.
You "Ukrainians" do not deserve such a great city.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
On the basis that this isnt 1914 anymore. Sevastopol as of 1954 is a Ukrainian city, you can cry about it all you like, but that is just how the cookie crumbles.
And its ok Lviv and Kyiv are 10 times more "great" than your beloved Sevastopol. Kyiv is actually the greatest of all Slavic cities.
Enayze 3 years ago
I wn't cry about it. You know what happened when you tried to put up a sign "Sevastopol - city of Ukrainian glory"? We took down the sign and we drowned it in the sea. Ukraine is a crumbling piece of shit, and we have no intention of going down with you.
FirstManInTheMoon 3 years ago
Kerch is close to Russia and a pipeline makes all possible. Sevastopol (Crimea) does not need Ukraine!
robin6463 3 years ago
Oh and just one last thing, look at a map of Kievan Rus,Crimea was never apart of it,Moscow indeed was but not Crimea :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
I suggest you take a couple of history courses and stop relying on wikipedia to give you all your information. THe map you are speaking of I am sure is from the 10th century. However by the 12th century Kievan Rus had encompassed all of the territory surrounding the black sea, including Crimea.
Enayze 3 years ago
Yup you have failed,i am going on several sources,one being that my wife is from Crimea,i wouldnt comment on stuff if i didnt know what i was talking about but from what i see,you clearly do :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Oh i just realised,your American meaning that you hate Russia,so your going to try your best to put it down,ok fair enough :)
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Why would I hate Russia because I am American? You guys make no difference in my life, but as a History major I know that Russia derived from Kiev, present day Ukraine, and that it also where it got its name from Kievan RUS, thus RUS.
There would be no Russia without Ukraine, however Ukraine can exist without Russia, so I guess that is why subconsciously Russians want to unite with Ukraine against the Ukrainians will?
Enayze 3 years ago
And i was wrong for saying it ws "originaly" Russian,however it ws part of Russia before it was part of Ukraine and most of its population is Russian who for years have wanted their indipendance from Ukraine.
princemarcusagnew 3 years ago
Прекрасная песня! Большое спасибо! А кто её автор?
jimira99 4 years ago
Это Диана Арбенина - Ночные Снайперы
silantiy60 3 years ago
нет а не Диана, но очень похоже конечно..
Alprin 3 years ago
как хочу обратно в родной Севастополь!!обязательно постараюсь туда выбраться летом!
wildcatsun 4 years ago
The next summer I will go there!
Balazs198311 4 years ago
Such a beautifull song about my home city. Thanks a lot. Классная песня о прекрасном городе моего детства. Спасибо
TSPV7 4 years ago
Боже, что за песня о моем городе. Я уже пятый раз подряд слушаю.
KVAKIKVAKI13 4 years ago
Супер! Спасибо!
Alprin 4 years ago
,И я скучаю!!!:(
Umslapagas 4 years ago
I miss this city, love it,love it, love it
modnica 4 years ago
my native city!!!I want to go to Sevastopol!!!!
citycat82 4 years ago
I was here for last month )))
lazycat83 4 years ago
Отличное видео!Как я скучаю по этому прекрасному городу!
Eleonaas 4 years ago
Ох, а как я скучаю...
lazycat83 4 years ago
Ты рождена там?
Umslapagas 4 years ago
нет, у меня там бабушка жила и все летние каникулы мы там проводили ))
lazycat83 4 years ago