Funny how this claim is inconsistent, with the fact that science proves again and again, that vegans and vegetarians, are generally healthier than omnivores...
B12 is found in organic grown food. There's whole proteins in soybeans oats, and seaweed. There's protein in general, in all green things. Iron in green leaves, and both better quality, than that found in meat. Sorry but some of ur statements aren't true at all, if any.
I've seen a healthy vegetarian, and vegan cat on youtube, as well.
NO, we have brain, we chose! by your logic we have sharp teeth we should eat dogs, cats, ostriches, elephants, whales, and even humans... no wait some of us already do that!!!
because man kind has the unusual ability to make tools we are skipping evolution by making the tools we need which mean we don't have to grow sharp teeth or anything like that
Gorillas also have cannines. They are used to tear into tough vegetable matter and husks as well as the outside of bamboo stalks to get at the edible parts inside.
also, the fact that we have one so-called "hunting adaptation" (eyes at the front) is outweighed by the fact that we do not have any natural hunting weapons and have to make them to be able to kill animals. also, I think if we were *naturally built to eat meat* we would be able to eat it raw. also, if you're comparing us to chimps to prove our natural diet, then why can chimpanzees eat raw meat if we can't? chimpanzees, like humans, can also think outside of pure instinct.
1. real canines are meant to be used to attack prey and rip it apart raw, and seeing as humans have to cook meat to eat it (and also cannot take down/kill an animal with our mouths like a lion could), canines with the purpose of hunting animals and tearing raw flesh apart would be useless and pointless.
2. protein can be found in natural foods other than meat, such as nuts and beans
3. B12 can be found in fresh vegetables that have not been washed
you are right , we are omnivores. If you eat just veggies you are depriving yourself of essential vitamins and minerals where as if you eat meat and vegetables you are balancing your diet.
@dylan111291 Sorry friend, you are not depriving yourself of anything by being a 100% vegan or a 100% Raw vegan. Name any nutrient that you cannot get by eating plant foods. B12 are missing in meat eaters as well, so it is not a good argument.
@Mekelsior What do you mean B-12 is missing in people who eat meat? Where's your proof ? Nutritionists agree that abstaining completely from meat poultry fish,dairy products and eggs is not good. While eating veggies is really healthy , just eating veggies is not. We have a food pyramid for a reason.
@dylan111291 Again, just do a google search here, a study was made and they discovered that 40% of the American public were deficient in B12, this is a different standard than Japan that sets the limit higher, so it is safe to conclude that meat eaters also are deficient. Personally, I was a meat eater and I was deficient, so then your argument that only animal produce can sustain a healthy living and in particular in regards to B12 is false.
@dylan111291@dylan111291 It is also not advisable to generalize "Nutritionists agree that.. ect.." I would agree that "SOME" agree, but it is not concensus. Dr John McDougall, Dr Walter J. Veith, Jeff Novick, Dr Esselstyn, Dr Bernard, Dr Doug Graham, and many many others all agree that the best way of living is off a whole food, low fat, low protein, high carb, vegan diet, some even argue that the RAW vegan diet as described is far superior than any other alternative.
@dylan111291 The food pyramid have been changing pretty much on an annual basis, it is also based on flawed science, funded by meat and dairy industry who have a vested interest in promoting the eating of flesh foods. You can however get a perfectly fine pyramid if you want, 4 types. 1: Grains, 2; Legumes, 3: Veggies, 4: Fruits/nuts/seeds. Personally I have experienced that fruit is far superior as energy source and I have a great time on just fruit. =)
I think that humans are omnivores, because they CAN digest meat AND vegetables. That doesn't implicate that they NEED to eat both. With some experience you can stick to plants, but your "inner analytical chemist" needs the experience to know that all nutrition can be found in plants, and this can be a hard learning period from the perspective of people who's "inner analytical chemist" got used to meat.
@SebbeSucksBawlz I have the african bushmen and the north american escimos in mind. but these people area bound to their environment. in many other countries people have more choice.
I think the "natural" diet also includes the time, quantities, and variety of foods we eat. A wild human might find and eat a bunch of blueberries one day, broccoli another day, etc. (or whatever existed before agriculture and selective breeding), and hunt animal perhaps once a week - more often in the winter. Although the government claims grain is the base of the food pyramid, I would not eat most raw grains except out of desperation in the wild, with flax seed being one exception offhand.
What about all the vegan bodybuilders, runners, cyclists, dancers, ultra endurance athletes, tennis players etc?? Does Dr Jeff live on Mars? What about Scott Jurek, Robert Cheeke, Carl Lewis etc?
lmfao! ;) Ive cycled over 180 000km as a vegan and have to laugh when crew that couldnt even keep up for a mile say 'oh vegans dont get enough energy..'. ;)
@TheRawvoice What about them? Are they able to compare properly to someone in their same weight and body size category? Are the really out there, as you claim? When did they start eating vegetarian/vegan diets in their lives? If I look them up, will I see that they suffed series health issues, like a great number of famous vegan/vegetarians have? As for cycling, how do we know that you are telling the truth? Where is it documented? What about your crew may have given them difficulties?
Proteins and Irons can both be found in Spinage. Well for the assumption that we are created like all other animals (Not considering our modern weapons). We have no natural weapons at all, but for the b12 they can come from eggs as well. And eggs are easily accessable for humans because you don't actually have to catch or kill it to get it. I believe we were herbivores before but have evovled into omnivores (Basicly because of our superior tool use and intelligence)
@GedenWilbur ===> "I believe we were herbivores before but have evovled into omnivores (Basicly because of our superior tool use and intelligence)"
If that is what you believe then you would be wrong. there is no pure herbivore in our family tree. Primates originally evolved from insectivores that evolved into omnivores. IE Plesiadapis, c. 55–58 million years ago
@rosepetal108 that's so cool, i eat both meat and veggies and insects. What type of insectivores did we evolve from? Sorry....i don't know too much about our animal ancestry lol.
@Jennivision He wasn't talking about specific cases. He is talking about natural diet for general human population. And by the way, that was 2 sentences, not 1.
@Jennivision Really? I didn't know that! I thought everyone ate meat. Are they vegetarian from religion or do they have no resources to support farming animals in their region?
@Jennivision Those people are able to get by without suffering some of the negative effects because... guess what... they eat insects, both live and dead since India in many places do not practice cleaning food as we do in the Americas, Europe and other parts of Asia. So, in order to avoid vegan/vegetarian issues nutrient defiency issues, should we now eat insects, both live and dead?
@Jennivision I'm afraid it's true. Go look this up. India does not practice the cleaning of food the way the U.S, and Europe do. It does not matter whether they do not like eating insects, but their plants are contaminated with it, both live and dead. When the vegetarian peoples of India immigrate to the U.S. or other places, they wind up getting sick from B-12 deficencies. Do a Google search, B-12 deficency is still a big issue in India dispite the insect contamination.
@Jennivision =====> "Um, no, vegetarian populations don't get "missing nutrients" from eating insects"
Um, yes, it is well documented. There is also some "missing nutrients" to be obtained from rotting or cultured foods due to bacterial contamination. Both these sources (insects and bacteria) are not commonly found in Western Foods due to cleaning, processing and preservation. Of course we don't have the endemic problems of disease for that same reason.
@Jennivision There are no "missing nutrients" among the vegetarian or vegan populations. It may be malnutrition if they eat to few calories.. b12 is produced by bacterias anyway, so neither animal meat or plants can provide it.
@Mekelsior The cells in animal meat have stored up vitamins in them just like we store nutrients in our cells , so that's how you can get it. You can also get a super source of it from ants .
@dylan111291 What did the animal eat, or the ant eat, in order to get those stored up nutriets? Just think about it for a moment, why go to a secondary source and in some cases even further up the food chain, where toxins accumulate, it is called bio magnification and it is not healthy.Why do I need to eat ants to get my protein when my body only needs 2.5% of total calories from both fat and proteins? (WHO)
It's a free country. People should be allowed to eat whatever they want to. STOP trying to pressure normal people into following your lifestyle choices. And despite what most people think, vegetarianism and veganism are NOT "green" or "eco-friendly"!
Also, the National Physicians group thing that promotes veganism and vegetarianism as the right way to go? It's not even legit. Their head are a part of PETA, and most of them aren't even qualified to be physicians.
Humans are clearly Omnivores! We need both. The Sailors who left the shores and lost the benefit of plants quickly found out they F'd up! Scurvy Hello! No vitamin C= severe disease! You can live without meat for the better part of your life with the correct mix of plants. But a lack of vitamin B12 can screw your body up big time. Anemia is no ghost! It is a reality. Vegans take note! It is especially important to the young and women bearing children.
meat eaters have claws, have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue, humans have no sharp front teeth(our canines are not sharp), meat eaters have intestinal tract only 3 times body length so rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly, herbivores and humans have intestinal tract 10-12 times body length, meat eaters have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat, herbivores like humans have hydrochloric acid 20 times weaker than that of meat eaters
@guitarhero666759 well the reason humans have been able to eat meat throughout all these years is because we use our brains to survive, we don't have claws or sharp teeth for hunting, but we have our brains. and my meat digests fine so I don't see the problem.
@SebbeSucksBawlz not really, even heavy meat eaters will live long enough to produce offspring, but the evidence against meat eating is becoming more and more overwhelming. Yes we have our brains, but people don't use them very well, for instance, we're using well over 17kg of grain to produce 1kg of beef. seems more intelligent to use that grain to feed humans directly, rather than a big wasteful process. and do you know what actually happens when u digest your meat?
@SebbeSucksBawlz meat in humans is retained for 4-5 days, more than enough time to release deadly toxins into the system. you're probably young, when the body is young it can take a lot of punishment, but even so, you'll feel it as you grow older in due course of time.
@guitarhero666759 the reason they waste all that wheat to get meat is because there are people who actually want to eat meat. anyways I'm no meat expert, my point is that humans can and will eat meat for years to come and while it's there and not doing my body any major harm at the moment I'll eat it.
@SebbeSucksBawlz on the contrary meat does a lot of major harm to the human body .Dean Ornish, M.D. was the first person to prove that heart disease can be reversed, and he did so by feeding his patients a vegetarian diet.
Um.. .I don't eat meat because I think it's gross. I hate biting into a steak and juice floods my mouth.. *gag* Why can't people just leave everyone alone? Yeesh.
Mac Danzig (vegan) David Burke (Vegan), Tony Robbins (Vegan except for fish)
Mac Danzig, won 8 consecutive fights after turning vegan.
David Burke world #2 Junior, world #3 Senior bodybuilding
Tony Robbins Speaks in over 65 countries and over 35 million people each yeah for 20 years and has never missed and single date.
Vegans live longer, and are healthier. I'm a raw vegan, and I run marathons, I am strong, and have tons of energy! I hope you -try going vegan- for a month. See how you feel!
Veganism is an *absolutist* belief centered around it being *morally wrong* to kill animals. Outside of your post, I don't think I've ever heard the philosophies of "veganism" and "harm reduction" being argued simultaneously.
Re-read my post...I never said vegans had MORE blood on their hands...I just said there was SOME. (And thus the moral ideal of "not killing animals" is a forlorn hope.)
so does the fault lie on production/harvesting methods or the vegans ?
Vegan philosophy isn't about it being morally wrong to kill animals, that is part of it. They find it wrong in a developed society where strong alternatives are available to use animals full stop, from entertainment to medicinal testing
Obviously this is an imperfect world with imperfect people, the ''motto'' of veganism is to cause as little harm as possible, ''don't do nothing cause you can't do everything''
Maybe you met some extreme vegans etc i don't know, but from vegans i know & have listened to/read etc. They all highly stress the point that its about cutting out animal use to the best possible degree, harm reduction if you want to call it that IS the core of veganism.
Its a flaw in practice if one doesn't live to such standards not a flaw in theory.
I don't really see how one can say vegans are crazy/flawed though for trying to live a life of compassion.
Of course we're not natural herbivore... we're closer to frugivore I'd say. I believe our natural diet mostly consisted of greens ( go in a forest and tell me what you see... only green leaf... ) berries and other fruits, and a source of fat (this could be fish, dead animals, nuts, seeds, fatty fruit like avocado, olives, coconut, etc. Mushroom, grasses, grains, legumes, seaweed, roots, bee product and other foods could be added but would not have been a stapple in our diet.
3:00 Pause. I'm sorry but it seems you've been misinformed. Dandelion greens are iron rich, as well as many other greens. Protein is not needed in our diets, amino acids are, and all plants have amino acids. B12....I think it's time for an update - living-foods(DOT)com/articles/b12issue.html I'm glad you understand that fiber is a necessary nutrient, not many people do. We are not the only herbivores with eyes placed in the front. tierversuchsgegner(DOT)org/wiki/index(DOT)php?title=Taxonomy
Neither is protein, iron or b12 exclusive to meat. It's simply not the case.
The arguments at the end seem to get weaker and even you seem less convinced. Eyeballs?? Plenty of herbivores with eyes at the front....and intelligence...hmmm, well putting humans to one side...the most intelligent animals on the planets are omnivores and herbivores....I can't think of a really intelligent carnivore. Gorillas, orangatuns, pigs, parrots, chimps eat either 100% plant diet, or 95%+ plant.
B12 deficiencies in largely natural and vegetarian villages in India are extremely rare, despite not having access to b12 fortified foods, supplements or meat of course. The theory is that westerners kill the b12 bacteria via pesticides etc, and another theory is that these villagers reproduce the bacteria internally in the intestines.
As for the teeth, plenty of herbivores have canine teeth - hippos, gorillas, bats and more. The teeth argument is also not really a valid one. Neither is protei
I think although this video is a fair attempt at not being biased....I think a lot of the arguments are assumptive and based on current western diets.
Protein, iron and amino acids are easily obtainable in many Plants, vegetables and nuts. Lentils for example provide a great deal of iron and amino acids AND protein.
As for b12....it's just a bacteria, and this is available on natural plant life that hasnt been sprayed by farmers. (so in the wild)
Meat is bland without any seasoning or sauces, and horrid and potentially dangerous raw. It's not like you can rip a piece of meat off a freshly dead animal and chew it with your teeth....as we lack claws and lack really powerful teeth. Carnivores and omnivores are far better equipped naturally than humans.
Heart Disease, Stroke, Cancer, According to census statistics 1999-2010 these are three of the four killers of AMERICANS. I want to ask you, have you ever known a Vegan who has had a heart attack, a stroke, gotten cancer, or had diabetes? Have you ever known a fat vegan? You talk about what is and is not natural. Seriously dude, is driving a car natural? These arguments could go back and forth all day. Incisors could be used to tear the husks off coconuts!
@calico992 actually, yes, I have. Heart attacks, strokes, and cancer can strike anyone at any age, regardless of diet. Diabetes is a man-made disease that some doctors enforce to get money from drug companies. I have known several FAT vegans. Whether from diet or glandular, I don't know. Too much of anything causes adverse effects. Try removing the poisons we consume every day, like in drinking water, and most problems will disappear.
THERE ARE NO CARNIVOROUS HUMANS. ALL humans are either 100 percent herbivore (vegan) or omnivore (meat AND plant products.) No human on earth can sustain his or her life with just animal products. They would die from scurvy. (even the Innuits\eskimos) consumed seaweed and herbs. So meat eaters AND Vegans, PLEASE STOP CALLING HUMAN MEAT EATERS CARNIVORES, THEY ARE NOT.
Herbivores are not Vegan Vegetarians, however. Herbivores do eat insects and other small lifeforms, mostly as an incident to their eating habits. However, Vegans intentioinally do not eat infested vegetation.
your argument about the teeth: wrong, look it up very closely. The naïef assumption made decades ago is already proven wrong also decades ago.
The fact that we are able to digest animal products is just like with many omnivores: just to be able to digest the very few things we could find while looking for food. dead carcasses and eggs.
But indeed we are omnivores, but very flexible ones. So enough freedom to choose what you eat. Allthough it isn't as flexible as with rats... hmm...
thank you for being neither being the "uninformed meat-fetishist" and "naive vegan", one just as opportunist as the other. being both vegan and a skeptical person i'm constantly faced with this pseudo-dichotomy and it pisses me off.
but: the topic can be only answered by extensive evolutionary (or biomedical) research, not common sense. one can't just say "it's like that because it makes sense" (see evolution of the giraffe's neck).
human canines really don't make a good example for fangs. why would humans even need canines to catch and hold prey (the incisors are for tearing apart), when they can build weapons? gorillas also have large canine teeth and eyes on the front of the head, and they are herbivorous.
this whole discussion also imo misses the point. just because some diet is "natural" it doesn't imply it's the healthiest, especially not for a totally different way of life compared to that 10000s of years ago.
@fishbrot Maybe we haven´t wolf-like canines, but we haven´t cow-like mollars either. And our digestive track is shorter even than the chimpanzees's. I mention chimpanzees because they are (genetically talking) the closest animals to us. And because their digestive track is larger than ours, and even they eat meat. If you don´t believe me, search "Chimpanzees hunting red colobus". It was impressive.
Monkeys have huge canines and are hebivores, don't get me wrong iam an omnivore but better arguments have to be given.But the fact of the matter is i can survive off an omnivoruous diet, iam an omnivore.
YES HUMANS WERE OMNIVORES CAUSE THEY NEEDED TO BE, TODAY YOU ARE VEGAN IF YOU DONT LIKE EATING COCK AND BALLS FROM GOATS AND COWS AND CHICKENS OFF THE CUTTING FLOOR : ) IF YOU WANNA ACTUALLY LIVE LONG LIVES WITH GOOD HEALTH YOU CAN TOO BUT IF YOU WANN ASTAY RETARDED LIKE MOST MEATEATERS THEN KEEP ON LIVING OFF THE PAIN OF OTHERS : ) GENESIS SAYS I GIVE YOU THE NUTS FRUIT AND VEGIES OFF THE TREES ETC AS YOUR MEAT. JESUS SAYS I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END : )
@SuperChristopherZ meat eaters? lol man you made the top of my retard list....were called "omnivores" if you have any intelligence-and why would i want to live till i was 100? you may enjoy people wiping your ass when your old but i hope i die yound with a good taste in my mouth rather than old, retarded, and eating bushes and animal shit.
B12 is actually a vegan bacteria but because the bacteria clings to meat it is unfortunate for us vegan/vegetarians. Unfortunately we have to have a pill containing B12. Or fortified soy and the like. Sigh!!!
Source: Vegan Freak by Torres&Torres (Their updated version of their first book)
Ummmm, why are people arguing about this? Go and observe some humans in their habitat. You will see they eat both meats and vegetables. The evidence stands for itself.
If your canine's are meant to 'rip and tear meat' then go tackle a water buffalo, tear into into with your viciously huge 'canines' and eat the meat raw (like true meat-eating animals do).
W.H.O. state a protein requirement of 6% calories from protein.
Fruit is made of 5-10% protein
Consuming excess protein means our bodies are forced into gluconeogenesis to convert amino acids to glucose. This can lead to kidney failure. Why would we be evolutionarily adapted to something that could harm us?
Okay... that did it. I'm off to buy some ground chuck, a red onion & a carton of eggs. I have anchovy, worsteshire, lemon juice, capers, salt & pepper, itallian parsley, mustard... (thinking of what i'm forgetting). Anyways... In a half an hour from now, the next vegan who reads this post, should know that Im having Stear Tartare for lunch.
C-ya all later.
p.s. i'll risk my health to buy the cheapest beef possible to know it was kept in a 12' sq cage.
We are murdivorous. We just destroy everything. It's not fair what they do to animals, so even if we are meant to eat meat, we should go and hunt it ourselves. How many people have you seen use claws or their teeth to kill an animal? So if we are made to kill animals like that why have we never ever done this in history?
@VHDT10 We HAVE done this in history. Humans were given a 5th digit on their hands commonly referred to as a "thumb" in which we learned to make tools, to kill these animals SAFELY. If you look at everything from our oral cavity design, to the lack of enzymes in our saliva, to our teeth, etc. etc., you'd see we were DESIGNED to eat meat. As for eating others, Do some homework on tribes in New Guinea. It was never a nutritional issue, but a warfare issue.
@jjrants right I know that cannibalism exists. I just don't think that money is as important as billions of animals being tortured and slaughtered. If you've seen the way they do it, you know it's wrong. We'd be able to stop starvation of humans with half the resources we use to sustain enough animals to eat tiny parts of and throw away the rest. It's a horrible world we live in and I just can't stand to see people not give a shit.
@VHDT10 I completely agree. My point is that there are 2 ways to change this: 1) Fight for the rights of animals, or 2) Fight to change the way we eat. I happen to think the latter of the two would be far more productive.
If McDonalds, KFC, and Wendys all disappeared tomorrow, then "POOF", the demand for poultry and beef would go down. That would make a competitive market which would mean higher standards. The problem is its the lardasses who raise their kids on this shit who support it.
@jjrants yes and then a whole part of the country starves. kfc produces its own chicken. i dont even think mcdonalds is real meat most of the time. what about the farmers that make their living off the cows in their field? your talking about a major economical hit. and what then happens with said cows? are we going to let them roam free? if so we still have to kill them because they overpopulate except now the meat is wasted because we are all sandal recycling vegan hippies.
@TheBigsteve2010 If someone starves because fast food chains go down, They SHOULD just for being that fucking stupid and out of principle. Also, why is it that i've NEVER seen a vegan actually taking NORMAL measures to try to get the laws changed?? There's a reason why we have the USDA and the FDA. Why is it that i've never seen a vegan trying to change the "standards" of the conditions the animals are kept in, yet they continously tell people to "not eat meat". There are a MILLION better..
@jjrants Im sorry i think we got mixed up here or i did or something. I agree with you lol. the whole eradicating of meat is what would make people starve not literally but figurtively livestock farmers would lose their ass if we just one day said meats illegal which would effect us economically. I wasnt calling you a hippie i was saying if vhd's idea to turn us all into hippie's worked lol.
@TheBigsteve2010 hahaha. Thanks for clarifying steve. Vegans don't seem to understand how important "meat" is to us not only on a nutritional level, but economically. This isn't to mention that while they claim they don't need meat to live, Everybody's body chemistry is different and to assume that their belief should apply to EVERYBODY, is absurd at best. We're MADE to eat meat and them being the vast minority proves it. By the way... vhd is a communist hippie. His opinion doesn't count.
@TheBigsteve2010 ways to go about changing the way animals are kept, housed, fed, slaughtered, etc. than simply telling people they shouldn't eat meat. If anything, that's the least credible way to go about it simply because anyone like myself would simply tell a vegan to "fuck off".
@VHDT10 Also, my problem with veganism isn't that they want conditions controlled... They want to ERADICATE the idea of eating meat for everyone. THIS, is what personally, pisses me off to no end. Look up the "hidden articles" on PETA, and you'll know why they're full of shit.
@jjrants dude, I'm sure not all vegans want that. But I don't see how it's worth it to take another's life when you don't have too. It's just a snack to you, but for them it's hell they didn't deserve. All you really need is empathy. Why should people play god and take innocent lives, for a snack? We have people dying around the world of starvation, I can understand if they hunt. If they won't stop though, I would be happier if they didn't treat and slaughter them so carelessly. You know?
@VHDT10 My thing is, we were designed to eat meat. (which is proven by everything from our body chemistry, to our oral cavity design & It's the nature of any species to eat what it was intended to to live). The idea of "Veganism" is more of a phiolosophical idea as is religion & this doesn't make it practical to our naturally born instincts. Is it possible to kill humanely? Absolutely, but to stop altogether? No way. It's what I was built to eat & anything is dangerous in excess Even veganism
@jjrants goto the video Humans: Carnivore, Omnivore or Herbivore. He actually points out some carnivorous traits we totally lack. It goes both ways. I can see eating meat to survive. But it's the people who like to eat it and don't want to care enough to stop that bug me. I love eating meat. But I found out what really happens to living beings that breathe and feel as I do, so I got serious and stopped. Even if you were meant to eat meat, animals were not meant to be slaughtered for money
@VHDT10 To suggest that people weren't build to eat meat is the most fucking absurd thing that i've ever, EVER heard of. Vegans in the vegitarian world, are like Scientologists are in the religious world: You're Both BAT SHIT CRAZY.
As for killing animals for profit, yes.... it costs money to produce meat. (meaning no matter how liberal you are, not even food is always free). Jesus Christ.... If people DIDNT pay for meat and we hunted our own, you'd STILL whine about it. Seriously.
@jjrants well you don't mind that horrible things happen because of money, that's great. You are a great person for not giving a shit. It just pisses me off because I want things to go right. You have any pets? It seems like you just ran out of things to say so you start acting like a dick. Nice one, and no one cares about your health. Not even you. I believe enough ppl some day will stand up for whats right. And that classifies me as BAT SHIT CRAZY because there's too many people like u
@VHDT10 I am a realist. Not some fucking tree-bark eating hippie who lives in a dream world in front of his bong. The reality is, it DOES cost money to raise livestock. Jesus christ, of ANYONE, you hippies should know that nobody sure as hell isn't going to work for FREE! Should the conditions be better? Sure!! But that means the consumer paying more. Ever heard of Capitolism? You should get the point now.Instead of preaching to us, how about getting off your fucking ass and changing the laws.
@jjrants well since you told me you were a realist I can say you are a realist but you can't call me some fucking tree-bark eating hippie, because I'm not and obviously that shows you aren't even willing to consider if certain people are right about something making you a dumb ass ignorant person that will accomplish nothing for the human race. It's not worth commenting you because you won't listen, but I still will because it's funny, dick.
@VHDT10 if you arent a tree bark eating hippie and you arent a meat consuming savage like the rest of us how do you live? do you stick your feet in the ground and look at the sun for food? your point's have been analyzed and their folly pointed out yet you still keep ranting on. I bet your a card carrying PETA sympathizer too aren't you maybe you even helped them kill 97% of the animals they 'saved' last year and stuck in a freezer because funding is better spent on propaganda. give it a rest.
@TheBigsteve2010 Now now.... play nice Steve. He's about to tell me how he's doing something to benefiet us. Personally... I thought he was spewing a bunch of treehugging bullshit telling us that just because HE's too much of a dipshit to know his place on the food chain, that we should neglect ours as well. But APPARENTLY, he's found a way for vegitarianism to "benefiet the entire human race". Lets hear him out! hehehe
@jjrants hey I'm a vegetarian! I love a big plate of green beans and corn right next to the mash potatoes,gravy and big heaping T-bone. Infact I munched on one while watching "meet your meat" and I must say it was almost arousing to watch PETA propaganda, I mean i haven't seen such BS since the soviet union.
@TheBigsteve2010 hahaha. Hey now!! I hope those green beans weren't cooked in butter!! After all, butter's made from cream, which comes from cows, which is depriving a baby calf of their dinner!! (Actually, eat all the fucking butter you want. I'll just slaughter the little bastard for some veal cutlets). Yuuummmm.
I haven't watched that "meet your meat" yet... it sounds too much like a cheap, low budget porn. Yup...leave it to a vegan to endorse that shit! hehehe
@jjrants I've seen it and I bet Peta raises animals in bad conditions just to pretend they infiltrate institutions so they can make their propaganda more valid!
@CanisLupus1987 Hey.... for every bit of solicited bullshit, fake propaganda, there's a vegan in there stuffing money in his or her pocket. Whaddya wanna bet that they sell the things down in chinatown for a few MORE bucks? It sure as shit wouldn't suprise me.
@CanisLupus1987 Oh HELL yeah. Any absurd, non profit organization like PETA is all about making cash. They're tied into so much seedy shit, it's not even funny.
I researched them when my girlfriend and I were looking to adopt cats. They're fucking discusting with their practices, and its all by luring absolute idiots into their scheme. I've known a few vegan peta supporters, and doing a bit of traveling, and eating some rather exotic (wierd) shit, I was the one who had to educate them. Idiots.
@VHDT10 "Accomplish nothing for the human race".... So by soliciting your bullshit views on becoming vegitarian, THIS is accomplishing something for the human race?? I'm sorry...I must have misunderstood. Now by being a pushy asshole on trying to change the eating habits of everyone because you simply don't like it, How exactly is this accomplishing something for the human race again?? (i'd love to hear what kind of bullshit you're going to pull out of your ass for this one). Please, do tell!!
@jjrants hahaha, I'm not trying to change any eating habits or anything, you are bashing me with all this shit that I didn't say. All I want is for you to watch "meet your meat" and then you can say whatever you want. It's one of the many eye openers. If you disagree that's great, but watch the goddamn thing first. You like what I pulled from my ass? I'm glad you have that kind of faith in me.
@VHDT10 but IF people are meant to eat meat and meat needs to be slaughtered are you saying that people should have to do it all ourselves? or should the people that raise and slaughter animals should do it for free? im trying to figure out if your crazy or a communist. I would have no problem slaughtering my own beef, i have land in which to raise animals and can do it. what about someone that lives in an apartment in the city?
@TheBigsteve2010 They are stupid. One killing his own meat would mean more animals killed and more meat wasted. Their argument is just plain ridiculous.
We Had a pig ( it got really big and only on healthy food and usually eating freely on our land) and we had so much meat we had to give away for our relatives and even so we had meat for 3 months... so buying from a a butcher (and choosing natural farmed animals) is better because you avoid unnecessary waste.
@VHDT10 ok which is more cruel, a gazelle getting munched on while its still conscious or a air driven spike to the skull instantly killing the animal? with everything theres the exception of shady people that commit animal cruelty but for the most part I think we can safely say that our method of slaughtering animals is far more humane than a lions or a wolves. you cant stop the world, nature is far more cruel than humans on a daily basis, just when nature does it its just that "nature"
@VHDT10 yes we should thank the animal spirit for feeding us before we slaughter our food. does this mean i can ride down sunset blvd naked on a horse hootin and hollering and shooting a bow and arrow at pigeons on telephone lines?
I agree. Cats will chew on grass, but they are still carnivorous. house cat food is more grain that meat and they live just fine. You can buy cat grass for your house cat to chew on at a pet store. But they are still carnivorous. It's not black and white.
Humans can live on meat, but to get the nutrients they have to eat it raw and freshly killed like wild cats. Fresh live flesh has all necessary nutrients, but it depletes fast. Feed a cat nothing but cooked meat and it will die of malnutrition
Cats mostly chew on grass for stomach discomfort or to induce vomitting. Helps with the hair balls.
Grains and such in cat food are just fillers so they won't have to use as much meat, and to, like you said make up for the fact that what they would normally get from the meat is either not there or depleted.
The best omnivore video on YouTube. Most Veg' videos only show one side and most anti Veg' videos show nothing at all. I'll rather get my nutrients from vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains, and seeds, it's easier and more efficient to digest.
In the wild, I'm sure it would be difficult to live without meat. It's probably difficult enough to find enough food to survive without excluding any type of food.
Fortunately, most of us watching this video are enough to be able to choose what they eat and what they don't.
As I've said, I'm vegan and feel privileged to have the luxury of being able to be a healthy vegan.
My vegan philisiohy in a nut shell: "I believe it is morally wrong to kill and eat any sentient being UNNECESSARILY.
I'm vegan and I know that humans can digest both plant and animal matter and are therefore omnivorous.
On the subject of teeth, we have some physical traits that were useful in our evolutionary past which don't necessarily have an advantage in our modern species. We can live well without, for example, our appendix or tonsils so just because we possess a physical trait doesn't necessarily mean anything.
The fact that humans can diget both plant and animal matter shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone but eating only plant food is not bad for you. In the modern Western diet, one cosumes too much meat than is healthy.
One other thing that is unquestionable is the fact that eating animal products causes suffering and death to billions of animals per year.
@marcluc1988 Actually, eating only plant can be terrible for the reasons you chose to ignore in the video.
Vegan mothers frequently get pregnancy completely wrong and decide to eat their child into a life of rickets, anemia or cretinism...it's just horrible. Children in the western, developed, rich world being born with third-world diseases. It's inexcusable and it's usually caused by pressure imposed on her by her partner to not eat what she has to.
@ihaterobbie123 Did you know that, one the 'humane' headshot KILLS the cow? How can you call unnecessary KILLING 'humane'? Humans are the only species to eat the BABY FOOD of ANOTHER SPECIES after WEANING.
Also, 12% of cows need more than one captive bolt shot to render them unconscious. Is THAT 'humane'?
@ihaterobbie123 I suspect these children born to vegan parents with horrible diseases, illnesses etc. are just media sensationalisms. A story about a child born to vegan parents is far more likely to be printed than a story about a child born to vegan parents who is doing fine.
Also, you mention that it's 'usually' the partner 'imposing' on her what she can and cannot eat. Well, 2/3 of vegans are female so I doubt it's "usually" the partner imposing his will on his wife/girlfriend.
@ihaterobbie123 As an active member of several vegan organisations, I meet with vegans all the time and hear their stories of child birth, diets, health all the time and so I get to hear first-hand what real vegans lives are like. Not sensationalised stories in the media.
My sister was interveiwed for a local newspaper and I can tell you, she agrees, that a lot that what was printed (even in quotes), she never said. The media is not there to report, it's there to sensationalise.
@marcluc1988 I'm not going to respond to everything you said and I think that was your plan.
My mother is a midwife, she knows more tales of childbirth than you could ever know. I can remember one woman in particular who's child didn't survive the night because it was just so far gone. It had hardly any bodyfat, wouldn't feed, and while the mother was crying my mum couldn't stay in the same room because she was furious at her.
Of course this was a rare(ish) case of a poorly managed diet.
@ihaterobbie123 I bet she knows meat-eaters who've lost babies too but minorities stand out. I'm highly unlikely to have a baby considering I'm male and gayu so your comment is totally irrelevant to me in any case.
@ihaterobbie123 Also, I know a vegan lady whose midwife said she was going to call social services and have the baby taken in to care. So the mother got dressed and left the hospital and went to live with her mother for fear of ignorant people like your mother taking away her baby (because, I you say she was furious - not the best emotion for judging whether to take a baby from its mother).
Her daughter is now 20, perfectly healthy and has never consumed animals products.
@ihaterobbie123 You can have a bad diet whether you're vegan or not. Have you ever seen 'Supersize Me!'? THAT'S not a vegan diet by any stretch of the imagination. So don't judge all vegan diets to be bad any more than you would judge all non-vegan diets to be healthy.
It's not as black and white as you seem to paint it!
@ihaterobbie123 It's not I who is ignoring the facts. It's you who soak up this nonsense because it justifies your desire to consume animals.
I bet this guy and yourself know no (or very few) vegans on a personal basis.
Veganism is at the same point as homosexuality was about 30 years ago. Full of prejudice, myths and blantant rubbish. I just hope that in 30 years, veganism will follow the path of homosexuality, and people will be less ignorant.
@ihaterobbie123 Another point is, as a gay male, pregnancy is not going to effect me. On top of this, I know many vegan mothers who've had no problems at all.
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Funny how this claim is inconsistent, with the fact that science proves again and again, that vegans and vegetarians, are generally healthier than omnivores...
B12 is found in organic grown food. There's whole proteins in soybeans oats, and seaweed. There's protein in general, in all green things. Iron in green leaves, and both better quality, than that found in meat. Sorry but some of ur statements aren't true at all, if any.
I've seen a healthy vegetarian, and vegan cat on youtube, as well.
starfaery 3 weeks ago
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starfaery 3 weeks ago
NO, we have brain, we chose! by your logic we have sharp teeth we should eat dogs, cats, ostriches, elephants, whales, and even humans... no wait some of us already do that!!!
highskyeagle 1 month ago
Great video!
hortulanus94 3 months ago
our jaw and teeth shape do not meter
because man kind has the unusual ability to make tools we are skipping evolution by making the tools we need which mean we don't have to grow sharp teeth or anything like that
deathtoislam1000 5 months ago
Gorillas also have cannines. They are used to tear into tough vegetable matter and husks as well as the outside of bamboo stalks to get at the edible parts inside.
desmodaeus 7 months ago
also, the fact that we have one so-called "hunting adaptation" (eyes at the front) is outweighed by the fact that we do not have any natural hunting weapons and have to make them to be able to kill animals. also, I think if we were *naturally built to eat meat* we would be able to eat it raw. also, if you're comparing us to chimps to prove our natural diet, then why can chimpanzees eat raw meat if we can't? chimpanzees, like humans, can also think outside of pure instinct.
SebbeSucksBawlz 8 months ago
1. real canines are meant to be used to attack prey and rip it apart raw, and seeing as humans have to cook meat to eat it (and also cannot take down/kill an animal with our mouths like a lion could), canines with the purpose of hunting animals and tearing raw flesh apart would be useless and pointless.
2. protein can be found in natural foods other than meat, such as nuts and beans
3. B12 can be found in fresh vegetables that have not been washed
4. nuts and dark leafy greens contain iron
SebbeSucksBawlz 8 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz He said that these nutrients come from other sources aside from meat, but it doesn't dispute his conclusion that we're omnivores!
brianv00 8 months ago
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greeneyesmax 8 months ago
you are right , we are omnivores. If you eat just veggies you are depriving yourself of essential vitamins and minerals where as if you eat meat and vegetables you are balancing your diet.
dylan111291 9 months ago
@dylan111291 You're not depriving yourself, all of the vitamins and minerals in meat can be gained from other sources (as he stated in the video).
brianv00 8 months ago
@dylan111291 Sorry friend, you are not depriving yourself of anything by being a 100% vegan or a 100% Raw vegan. Name any nutrient that you cannot get by eating plant foods. B12 are missing in meat eaters as well, so it is not a good argument.
Mekelsior 6 months ago
@Mekelsior What do you mean B-12 is missing in people who eat meat? Where's your proof ? Nutritionists agree that abstaining completely from meat poultry fish,dairy products and eggs is not good. While eating veggies is really healthy , just eating veggies is not. We have a food pyramid for a reason.
dylan111291 6 months ago
@dylan111291 Again, just do a google search here, a study was made and they discovered that 40% of the American public were deficient in B12, this is a different standard than Japan that sets the limit higher, so it is safe to conclude that meat eaters also are deficient. Personally, I was a meat eater and I was deficient, so then your argument that only animal produce can sustain a healthy living and in particular in regards to B12 is false.
Mekelsior 6 months ago
@dylan111291 @dylan111291 It is also not advisable to generalize "Nutritionists agree that.. ect.." I would agree that "SOME" agree, but it is not concensus. Dr John McDougall, Dr Walter J. Veith, Jeff Novick, Dr Esselstyn, Dr Bernard, Dr Doug Graham, and many many others all agree that the best way of living is off a whole food, low fat, low protein, high carb, vegan diet, some even argue that the RAW vegan diet as described is far superior than any other alternative.
Mekelsior 6 months ago
@dylan111291 The food pyramid have been changing pretty much on an annual basis, it is also based on flawed science, funded by meat and dairy industry who have a vested interest in promoting the eating of flesh foods. You can however get a perfectly fine pyramid if you want, 4 types. 1: Grains, 2; Legumes, 3: Veggies, 4: Fruits/nuts/seeds. Personally I have experienced that fruit is far superior as energy source and I have a great time on just fruit. =)
Mekelsior 6 months ago
@Mekelsior You're a nutbag .
dylan111291 6 months ago
I think that humans are omnivores, because they CAN digest meat AND vegetables. That doesn't implicate that they NEED to eat both. With some experience you can stick to plants, but your "inner analytical chemist" needs the experience to know that all nutrition can be found in plants, and this can be a hard learning period from the perspective of people who's "inner analytical chemist" got used to meat.
dailydols 9 months ago
@dailydols we can digest COOKED meat, not meat in its natural state that nature offers it to carnivores/omnivores.
SebbeSucksBawlz 8 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz aren't there still tribes that eat of raw meat?
I really have no attempt to "debunk" a "no raw meat" idea, but as far as I know, there are still people who do their living like that.
dailydols 8 months ago
@dailydols that sounds interesting actually, can you name some of these tribes for me? I'd like to look into it.
SebbeSucksBawlz 8 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz I have the african bushmen and the north american escimos in mind. but these people area bound to their environment. in many other countries people have more choice.
dailydols 8 months ago
Humans are stupids ....
estremofilo 10 months ago
I think the "natural" diet also includes the time, quantities, and variety of foods we eat. A wild human might find and eat a bunch of blueberries one day, broccoli another day, etc. (or whatever existed before agriculture and selective breeding), and hunt animal perhaps once a week - more often in the winter. Although the government claims grain is the base of the food pyramid, I would not eat most raw grains except out of desperation in the wild, with flax seed being one exception offhand.
sparkloweb 10 months ago
What about all the vegan bodybuilders, runners, cyclists, dancers, ultra endurance athletes, tennis players etc?? Does Dr Jeff live on Mars? What about Scott Jurek, Robert Cheeke, Carl Lewis etc?
lmfao! ;) Ive cycled over 180 000km as a vegan and have to laugh when crew that couldnt even keep up for a mile say 'oh vegans dont get enough energy..'. ;)
TheRawvoice 10 months ago
@TheRawvoice What about them? Are they able to compare properly to someone in their same weight and body size category? Are the really out there, as you claim? When did they start eating vegetarian/vegan diets in their lives? If I look them up, will I see that they suffed series health issues, like a great number of famous vegan/vegetarians have? As for cycling, how do we know that you are telling the truth? Where is it documented? What about your crew may have given them difficulties?
Nowhereman10 9 months ago
Proteins and Irons can both be found in Spinage. Well for the assumption that we are created like all other animals (Not considering our modern weapons). We have no natural weapons at all, but for the b12 they can come from eggs as well. And eggs are easily accessable for humans because you don't actually have to catch or kill it to get it. I believe we were herbivores before but have evovled into omnivores (Basicly because of our superior tool use and intelligence)
GedenWilbur 10 months ago
@GedenWilbur ===> "I believe we were herbivores before but have evovled into omnivores (Basicly because of our superior tool use and intelligence)"
If that is what you believe then you would be wrong. there is no pure herbivore in our family tree. Primates originally evolved from insectivores that evolved into omnivores. IE Plesiadapis, c. 55–58 million years ago
rosepetal108 10 months ago
@rosepetal108 that's so cool, i eat both meat and veggies and insects. What type of insectivores did we evolve from? Sorry....i don't know too much about our animal ancestry lol.
dylan111291 9 months ago
@dylan111291 ====> "What type of insectivores did we evolve from?"
As I posted before, "Plesiadapis, c. 55–58 million years ago" Which basically was a lemur-like animal.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
Well, I can prove you're wrong in one sentence. I am a herbivore and I am a human.
Jennivision 11 months ago
@Jennivision He wasn't talking about specific cases. He is talking about natural diet for general human population. And by the way, that was 2 sentences, not 1.
pfleiderer1 11 months ago
@pfleiderer1 Well how do you explain entire countries being vegetarian? It's personal preference, we havent 'evolved' to need meat. It's a choice.
Jennivision 11 months ago
@Jennivision Which whole country is entirely vegetarian? I'm very interested to know the answer to this question....
CrazyDantw 11 months ago
@CrazyDantw many regions of India are 100% vegetarian and have been for centuries
Jennivision 11 months ago
@Jennivision Really? I didn't know that! I thought everyone ate meat. Are they vegetarian from religion or do they have no resources to support farming animals in their region?
CrazyDantw 11 months ago
@CrazyDantw Mostly religion, they have cows but don't eat them
Jennivision 11 months ago
@Jennivision Ah that's right. They're sacred, aren't they...Well you learn something everyday.
CrazyDantw 11 months ago
@Jennivision Those people are able to get by without suffering some of the negative effects because... guess what... they eat insects, both live and dead since India in many places do not practice cleaning food as we do in the Americas, Europe and other parts of Asia. So, in order to avoid vegan/vegetarian issues nutrient defiency issues, should we now eat insects, both live and dead?
Nowhereman10 9 months ago
@Nowhereman10 Um, no, vegetarian populations don't get "missing nutrients" from eating insects
Jennivision 9 months ago
@Jennivision I'm afraid it's true. Go look this up. India does not practice the cleaning of food the way the U.S, and Europe do. It does not matter whether they do not like eating insects, but their plants are contaminated with it, both live and dead. When the vegetarian peoples of India immigrate to the U.S. or other places, they wind up getting sick from B-12 deficencies. Do a Google search, B-12 deficency is still a big issue in India dispite the insect contamination.
Nowhereman10 9 months ago
@Jennivision =====> "Um, no, vegetarian populations don't get "missing nutrients" from eating insects"
Um, yes, it is well documented. There is also some "missing nutrients" to be obtained from rotting or cultured foods due to bacterial contamination. Both these sources (insects and bacteria) are not commonly found in Western Foods due to cleaning, processing and preservation. Of course we don't have the endemic problems of disease for that same reason.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@Jennivision There are no "missing nutrients" among the vegetarian or vegan populations. It may be malnutrition if they eat to few calories.. b12 is produced by bacterias anyway, so neither animal meat or plants can provide it.
Mekelsior 6 months ago
@Mekelsior The cells in animal meat have stored up vitamins in them just like we store nutrients in our cells , so that's how you can get it. You can also get a super source of it from ants .
dylan111291 6 months ago
@dylan111291 What did the animal eat, or the ant eat, in order to get those stored up nutriets? Just think about it for a moment, why go to a secondary source and in some cases even further up the food chain, where toxins accumulate, it is called bio magnification and it is not healthy.Why do I need to eat ants to get my protein when my body only needs 2.5% of total calories from both fat and proteins? (WHO)
Mekelsior 6 months ago
It's a free country. People should be allowed to eat whatever they want to. STOP trying to pressure normal people into following your lifestyle choices. And despite what most people think, vegetarianism and veganism are NOT "green" or "eco-friendly"!
Also, the National Physicians group thing that promotes veganism and vegetarianism as the right way to go? It's not even legit. Their head are a part of PETA, and most of them aren't even qualified to be physicians.
TrojanMuleMCCCXXXVII 11 months ago
Humans are clearly Omnivores! We need both. The Sailors who left the shores and lost the benefit of plants quickly found out they F'd up! Scurvy Hello! No vitamin C= severe disease! You can live without meat for the better part of your life with the correct mix of plants. But a lack of vitamin B12 can screw your body up big time. Anemia is no ghost! It is a reality. Vegans take note! It is especially important to the young and women bearing children.
CosmicEuphoria 11 months ago
@CosmicEuphoria
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
Skeletonwitharaygun 11 months ago
I LOVE MEAT....RED HAIRED FREAK!
freashboy15 11 months ago
you're no world class debater, lemme tell you that!
i can see your documentation was supperficial
De4sher 11 months ago
meat eaters have claws, have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue, humans have no sharp front teeth(our canines are not sharp), meat eaters have intestinal tract only 3 times body length so rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly, herbivores and humans have intestinal tract 10-12 times body length, meat eaters have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat, herbivores like humans have hydrochloric acid 20 times weaker than that of meat eaters
guitarhero666759 1 year ago
@guitarhero666759 well the reason humans have been able to eat meat throughout all these years is because we use our brains to survive, we don't have claws or sharp teeth for hunting, but we have our brains. and my meat digests fine so I don't see the problem.
SebbeSucksBawlz 1 year ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz not really, even heavy meat eaters will live long enough to produce offspring, but the evidence against meat eating is becoming more and more overwhelming. Yes we have our brains, but people don't use them very well, for instance, we're using well over 17kg of grain to produce 1kg of beef. seems more intelligent to use that grain to feed humans directly, rather than a big wasteful process. and do you know what actually happens when u digest your meat?
guitarhero666759 11 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz meat in humans is retained for 4-5 days, more than enough time to release deadly toxins into the system. you're probably young, when the body is young it can take a lot of punishment, but even so, you'll feel it as you grow older in due course of time.
guitarhero666759 11 months ago
@guitarhero666759 the reason they waste all that wheat to get meat is because there are people who actually want to eat meat. anyways I'm no meat expert, my point is that humans can and will eat meat for years to come and while it's there and not doing my body any major harm at the moment I'll eat it.
SebbeSucksBawlz 11 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz on the contrary meat does a lot of major harm to the human body .Dean Ornish, M.D. was the first person to prove that heart disease can be reversed, and he did so by feeding his patients a vegetarian diet.
guitarhero666759 11 months ago
Um.. .I don't eat meat because I think it's gross. I hate biting into a steak and juice floods my mouth.. *gag* Why can't people just leave everyone alone? Yeesh.
beckasha83 1 year ago
dude im red as well.... but you are intense....nice shade!
MrGaidzak 1 year ago
meat is freakin delicious
dandelions are disgusting
my tongue is that of an omnivore
Blambla72 1 year ago
Mac Danzig (vegan) David Burke (Vegan), Tony Robbins (Vegan except for fish)
Mac Danzig, won 8 consecutive fights after turning vegan.
David Burke world #2 Junior, world #3 Senior bodybuilding
Tony Robbins Speaks in over 65 countries and over 35 million people each yeah for 20 years and has never missed and single date.
Vegans live longer, and are healthier. I'm a raw vegan, and I run marathons, I am strong, and have tons of energy! I hope you -try going vegan- for a month. See how you feel!
calico992 1 year ago
Lol you just read this off of a sight. Not that it's wrong. But sweet jeebuz. Don't deviate from the book at all =/
XxtwotapxX 1 year ago
To the Vegans reading this...
Did it ever occur to you that your diet *also* is dependent on dead animals?
You eat bread...well,
1. Land had to be cleared to grow the grain...that supported animals that are now dead.
2. Some sort of means of killing the bugs+rodents that otherwise would have ate the grains in the field was employed.
3. The rodents that would otherwise run rampant in the granary had to be killed, too.
There's blood on your hands, vegans... ;-)
bcubed72 1 year ago
@bcubed72
Right this comment has to be addressed for being seriously idiotic (no offence)
1) more land is used to produce meat/dairy & thus more animals die from loss of habitat/combine harvesters etc
2) all life expands at the cost of another life, be that urban expansion/agricultural expansion etc etc.
3) veganism is about avoiding & minimising harm where possible, not perfection or total abstinence.
You fail to understand the basic idea of vegetarian/veganism & your argument is weak
TheTvrulesthenation 1 year ago
@TheTvrulesthenation I *do* understand veganism...I wonder if you do , though.
Veganism is an *absolutist* belief centered around it being *morally wrong* to kill animals. Outside of your post, I don't think I've ever heard the philosophies of "veganism" and "harm reduction" being argued simultaneously.
Re-read my post...I never said vegans had MORE blood on their hands...I just said there was SOME. (And thus the moral ideal of "not killing animals" is a forlorn hope.)
bcubed72 11 months ago
bcubed72
so does the fault lie on production/harvesting methods or the vegans ?
Vegan philosophy isn't about it being morally wrong to kill animals, that is part of it. They find it wrong in a developed society where strong alternatives are available to use animals full stop, from entertainment to medicinal testing
Obviously this is an imperfect world with imperfect people, the ''motto'' of veganism is to cause as little harm as possible, ''don't do nothing cause you can't do everything''
TheTvrulesthenation 11 months ago
@bcubed72
Maybe you met some extreme vegans etc i don't know, but from vegans i know & have listened to/read etc. They all highly stress the point that its about cutting out animal use to the best possible degree, harm reduction if you want to call it that IS the core of veganism.
Its a flaw in practice if one doesn't live to such standards not a flaw in theory.
I don't really see how one can say vegans are crazy/flawed though for trying to live a life of compassion.
-Vegetarian
TheTvrulesthenation 11 months ago
Of course we're not natural herbivore... we're closer to frugivore I'd say. I believe our natural diet mostly consisted of greens ( go in a forest and tell me what you see... only green leaf... ) berries and other fruits, and a source of fat (this could be fish, dead animals, nuts, seeds, fatty fruit like avocado, olives, coconut, etc. Mushroom, grasses, grains, legumes, seaweed, roots, bee product and other foods could be added but would not have been a stapple in our diet.
XNinjaSebX 1 year ago
@XNinjaSebX Oh and of course insect eaten by accident!
XNinjaSebX 1 year ago
3:00 Pause. I'm sorry but it seems you've been misinformed. Dandelion greens are iron rich, as well as many other greens. Protein is not needed in our diets, amino acids are, and all plants have amino acids. B12....I think it's time for an update - living-foods(DOT)com/articles/b12issue.html I'm glad you understand that fiber is a necessary nutrient, not many people do. We are not the only herbivores with eyes placed in the front. tierversuchsgegner(DOT)org/wiki/index(DOT)php?title=Taxonomy
steelpython 1 year ago
nomnivores?
Quex01 1 year ago
I'm crepenivores.
GaySingleMulatto 1 year ago
Neither is protein, iron or b12 exclusive to meat. It's simply not the case.
The arguments at the end seem to get weaker and even you seem less convinced. Eyeballs?? Plenty of herbivores with eyes at the front....and intelligence...hmmm, well putting humans to one side...the most intelligent animals on the planets are omnivores and herbivores....I can't think of a really intelligent carnivore. Gorillas, orangatuns, pigs, parrots, chimps eat either 100% plant diet, or 95%+ plant.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
B12 deficiencies in largely natural and vegetarian villages in India are extremely rare, despite not having access to b12 fortified foods, supplements or meat of course. The theory is that westerners kill the b12 bacteria via pesticides etc, and another theory is that these villagers reproduce the bacteria internally in the intestines.
As for the teeth, plenty of herbivores have canine teeth - hippos, gorillas, bats and more. The teeth argument is also not really a valid one. Neither is protei
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
I think although this video is a fair attempt at not being biased....I think a lot of the arguments are assumptive and based on current western diets.
Protein, iron and amino acids are easily obtainable in many Plants, vegetables and nuts. Lentils for example provide a great deal of iron and amino acids AND protein.
As for b12....it's just a bacteria, and this is available on natural plant life that hasnt been sprayed by farmers. (so in the wild)
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
Meat is bland without any seasoning or sauces, and horrid and potentially dangerous raw. It's not like you can rip a piece of meat off a freshly dead animal and chew it with your teeth....as we lack claws and lack really powerful teeth. Carnivores and omnivores are far better equipped naturally than humans.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
Heart Disease, Stroke, Cancer, According to census statistics 1999-2010 these are three of the four killers of AMERICANS. I want to ask you, have you ever known a Vegan who has had a heart attack, a stroke, gotten cancer, or had diabetes? Have you ever known a fat vegan? You talk about what is and is not natural. Seriously dude, is driving a car natural? These arguments could go back and forth all day. Incisors could be used to tear the husks off coconuts!
calico992 1 year ago
@calico992 actually, yes, I have. Heart attacks, strokes, and cancer can strike anyone at any age, regardless of diet. Diabetes is a man-made disease that some doctors enforce to get money from drug companies. I have known several FAT vegans. Whether from diet or glandular, I don't know. Too much of anything causes adverse effects. Try removing the poisons we consume every day, like in drinking water, and most problems will disappear.
darquehuntre4 1 year ago
THERE ARE NO CARNIVOROUS HUMANS. ALL humans are either 100 percent herbivore (vegan) or omnivore (meat AND plant products.) No human on earth can sustain his or her life with just animal products. They would die from scurvy. (even the Innuits\eskimos) consumed seaweed and herbs. So meat eaters AND Vegans, PLEASE STOP CALLING HUMAN MEAT EATERS CARNIVORES, THEY ARE NOT.
Much Love
-Educated Vegan.
calico992 1 year ago
@calico992 Meat is yummy. Therefore your argument is invalid.
PitxLinkFOREVAH 1 year ago
Herbivores are not Vegan Vegetarians, however. Herbivores do eat insects and other small lifeforms, mostly as an incident to their eating habits. However, Vegans intentioinally do not eat infested vegetation.
Joeykm1972 1 year ago
Were Omnivores. There is no such thing as an unnatural omnivore.
huckster699 1 year ago
your argument about the teeth: wrong, look it up very closely. The naïef assumption made decades ago is already proven wrong also decades ago.
The fact that we are able to digest animal products is just like with many omnivores: just to be able to digest the very few things we could find while looking for food. dead carcasses and eggs.
But indeed we are omnivores, but very flexible ones. So enough freedom to choose what you eat. Allthough it isn't as flexible as with rats... hmm...
kittyminty 1 year ago
thank you for being neither being the "uninformed meat-fetishist" and "naive vegan", one just as opportunist as the other. being both vegan and a skeptical person i'm constantly faced with this pseudo-dichotomy and it pisses me off.
but: the topic can be only answered by extensive evolutionary (or biomedical) research, not common sense. one can't just say "it's like that because it makes sense" (see evolution of the giraffe's neck).
fishbrot 1 year ago
human canines really don't make a good example for fangs. why would humans even need canines to catch and hold prey (the incisors are for tearing apart), when they can build weapons? gorillas also have large canine teeth and eyes on the front of the head, and they are herbivorous.
this whole discussion also imo misses the point. just because some diet is "natural" it doesn't imply it's the healthiest, especially not for a totally different way of life compared to that 10000s of years ago.
fishbrot 1 year ago
@fishbrot Maybe we haven´t wolf-like canines, but we haven´t cow-like mollars either. And our digestive track is shorter even than the chimpanzees's. I mention chimpanzees because they are (genetically talking) the closest animals to us. And because their digestive track is larger than ours, and even they eat meat. If you don´t believe me, search "Chimpanzees hunting red colobus". It was impressive.
Sliverandzant943 1 year ago
Monkeys have huge canines and are hebivores, don't get me wrong iam an omnivore but better arguments have to be given.But the fact of the matter is i can survive off an omnivoruous diet, iam an omnivore.
sailornaruto39 1 year ago
YES HUMANS WERE OMNIVORES CAUSE THEY NEEDED TO BE, TODAY YOU ARE VEGAN IF YOU DONT LIKE EATING COCK AND BALLS FROM GOATS AND COWS AND CHICKENS OFF THE CUTTING FLOOR : ) IF YOU WANNA ACTUALLY LIVE LONG LIVES WITH GOOD HEALTH YOU CAN TOO BUT IF YOU WANN ASTAY RETARDED LIKE MOST MEATEATERS THEN KEEP ON LIVING OFF THE PAIN OF OTHERS : ) GENESIS SAYS I GIVE YOU THE NUTS FRUIT AND VEGIES OFF THE TREES ETC AS YOUR MEAT. JESUS SAYS I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END : )
SuperChristopherZ 1 year ago
@SuperChristopherZ meat eaters? lol man you made the top of my retard list....were called "omnivores" if you have any intelligence-and why would i want to live till i was 100? you may enjoy people wiping your ass when your old but i hope i die yound with a good taste in my mouth rather than old, retarded, and eating bushes and animal shit.
DDzane13KK 1 year ago
@DDzane13KK I rather get old healthy, but everybody his own choice offcourse.
kittyminty 1 year ago
@kittyminty yes me too but that doesnt mean you cant eat meat.
DDzane13KK 1 year ago
B12 is actually a vegan bacteria but because the bacteria clings to meat it is unfortunate for us vegan/vegetarians. Unfortunately we have to have a pill containing B12. Or fortified soy and the like. Sigh!!!
Source: Vegan Freak by Torres&Torres (Their updated version of their first book)
tejo29se 1 year ago
Ummmm, why are people arguing about this? Go and observe some humans in their habitat. You will see they eat both meats and vegetables. The evidence stands for itself.
physicsbugga 1 year ago
Why would I listen to someone who looks like a cross between chewbacca and the yetti?
TokiUltra 1 year ago 14
@TokiUltra Why would I listen to a retard? Oh wait, I wouldn't. *block*
XOmniverse 1 year ago 16
@TokiUltra fjhkahfasgfashfjkas f hahahahahah. you pwn.
omgreek1 1 year ago
@TokiUltra: LMAO!!!!!
ChantalGOVEGAN 1 year ago
@TokiUltra Because Chewbacca is a fucking Bamf?
Bagpiper1603 1 year ago
If your canine's are meant to 'rip and tear meat' then go tackle a water buffalo, tear into into with your viciously huge 'canines' and eat the meat raw (like true meat-eating animals do).
Your logic is flawed.
lastplacewin 1 year ago
@Xomniverse don't pay atention to those ignorants.
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
W.H.O. state a protein requirement of 6% calories from protein.
Fruit is made of 5-10% protein
Consuming excess protein means our bodies are forced into gluconeogenesis to convert amino acids to glucose. This can lead to kidney failure. Why would we be evolutionarily adapted to something that could harm us?
temjiin 1 year ago
i think not eating meat isn't gonna stop slaughter houses. all it does is garuntee that those animals died in vain
mrfoozy47 1 year ago
Okay... that did it. I'm off to buy some ground chuck, a red onion & a carton of eggs. I have anchovy, worsteshire, lemon juice, capers, salt & pepper, itallian parsley, mustard... (thinking of what i'm forgetting). Anyways... In a half an hour from now, the next vegan who reads this post, should know that Im having Stear Tartare for lunch.
C-ya all later.
p.s. i'll risk my health to buy the cheapest beef possible to know it was kept in a 12' sq cage.
Anyways, by the time
jjrants 1 year ago
our teeth are made to eat meat. our stomachs are made to eat meat. we are omnivores.
indycoltsfan04 1 year ago
i wonder if onision saw this.
starberry2947 1 year ago
@starberry2947 Onision is stupid.
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
@CanisLupus1987
alot of the time yes, but i still subscribed :/
starberry2947 1 year ago
Lordy. If you want to eat meat, eat meat. If you want to eat vegetables, eat vegetables. That should be the end of it. Just eat what you want to.
Pretolux 1 year ago
We are murdivorous. We just destroy everything. It's not fair what they do to animals, so even if we are meant to eat meat, we should go and hunt it ourselves. How many people have you seen use claws or their teeth to kill an animal? So if we are made to kill animals like that why have we never ever done this in history?
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 We HAVE done this in history. Humans were given a 5th digit on their hands commonly referred to as a "thumb" in which we learned to make tools, to kill these animals SAFELY. If you look at everything from our oral cavity design, to the lack of enzymes in our saliva, to our teeth, etc. etc., you'd see we were DESIGNED to eat meat. As for eating others, Do some homework on tribes in New Guinea. It was never a nutritional issue, but a warfare issue.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants right I know that cannibalism exists. I just don't think that money is as important as billions of animals being tortured and slaughtered. If you've seen the way they do it, you know it's wrong. We'd be able to stop starvation of humans with half the resources we use to sustain enough animals to eat tiny parts of and throw away the rest. It's a horrible world we live in and I just can't stand to see people not give a shit.
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 I completely agree. My point is that there are 2 ways to change this: 1) Fight for the rights of animals, or 2) Fight to change the way we eat. I happen to think the latter of the two would be far more productive.
If McDonalds, KFC, and Wendys all disappeared tomorrow, then "POOF", the demand for poultry and beef would go down. That would make a competitive market which would mean higher standards. The problem is its the lardasses who raise their kids on this shit who support it.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants yes and then a whole part of the country starves. kfc produces its own chicken. i dont even think mcdonalds is real meat most of the time. what about the farmers that make their living off the cows in their field? your talking about a major economical hit. and what then happens with said cows? are we going to let them roam free? if so we still have to kill them because they overpopulate except now the meat is wasted because we are all sandal recycling vegan hippies.
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 If someone starves because fast food chains go down, They SHOULD just for being that fucking stupid and out of principle. Also, why is it that i've NEVER seen a vegan actually taking NORMAL measures to try to get the laws changed?? There's a reason why we have the USDA and the FDA. Why is it that i've never seen a vegan trying to change the "standards" of the conditions the animals are kept in, yet they continously tell people to "not eat meat". There are a MILLION better..
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants Im sorry i think we got mixed up here or i did or something. I agree with you lol. the whole eradicating of meat is what would make people starve not literally but figurtively livestock farmers would lose their ass if we just one day said meats illegal which would effect us economically. I wasnt calling you a hippie i was saying if vhd's idea to turn us all into hippie's worked lol.
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 hahaha. Thanks for clarifying steve. Vegans don't seem to understand how important "meat" is to us not only on a nutritional level, but economically. This isn't to mention that while they claim they don't need meat to live, Everybody's body chemistry is different and to assume that their belief should apply to EVERYBODY, is absurd at best. We're MADE to eat meat and them being the vast minority proves it. By the way... vhd is a communist hippie. His opinion doesn't count.
jjrants 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 ways to go about changing the way animals are kept, housed, fed, slaughtered, etc. than simply telling people they shouldn't eat meat. If anything, that's the least credible way to go about it simply because anyone like myself would simply tell a vegan to "fuck off".
jjrants 1 year ago
@VHDT10 Also, my problem with veganism isn't that they want conditions controlled... They want to ERADICATE the idea of eating meat for everyone. THIS, is what personally, pisses me off to no end. Look up the "hidden articles" on PETA, and you'll know why they're full of shit.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants dude, I'm sure not all vegans want that. But I don't see how it's worth it to take another's life when you don't have too. It's just a snack to you, but for them it's hell they didn't deserve. All you really need is empathy. Why should people play god and take innocent lives, for a snack? We have people dying around the world of starvation, I can understand if they hunt. If they won't stop though, I would be happier if they didn't treat and slaughter them so carelessly. You know?
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 My thing is, we were designed to eat meat. (which is proven by everything from our body chemistry, to our oral cavity design & It's the nature of any species to eat what it was intended to to live). The idea of "Veganism" is more of a phiolosophical idea as is religion & this doesn't make it practical to our naturally born instincts. Is it possible to kill humanely? Absolutely, but to stop altogether? No way. It's what I was built to eat & anything is dangerous in excess Even veganism
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants goto the video Humans: Carnivore, Omnivore or Herbivore. He actually points out some carnivorous traits we totally lack. It goes both ways. I can see eating meat to survive. But it's the people who like to eat it and don't want to care enough to stop that bug me. I love eating meat. But I found out what really happens to living beings that breathe and feel as I do, so I got serious and stopped. Even if you were meant to eat meat, animals were not meant to be slaughtered for money
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 To suggest that people weren't build to eat meat is the most fucking absurd thing that i've ever, EVER heard of. Vegans in the vegitarian world, are like Scientologists are in the religious world: You're Both BAT SHIT CRAZY.
As for killing animals for profit, yes.... it costs money to produce meat. (meaning no matter how liberal you are, not even food is always free). Jesus Christ.... If people DIDNT pay for meat and we hunted our own, you'd STILL whine about it. Seriously.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants well you don't mind that horrible things happen because of money, that's great. You are a great person for not giving a shit. It just pisses me off because I want things to go right. You have any pets? It seems like you just ran out of things to say so you start acting like a dick. Nice one, and no one cares about your health. Not even you. I believe enough ppl some day will stand up for whats right. And that classifies me as BAT SHIT CRAZY because there's too many people like u
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 I am a realist. Not some fucking tree-bark eating hippie who lives in a dream world in front of his bong. The reality is, it DOES cost money to raise livestock. Jesus christ, of ANYONE, you hippies should know that nobody sure as hell isn't going to work for FREE! Should the conditions be better? Sure!! But that means the consumer paying more. Ever heard of Capitolism? You should get the point now.Instead of preaching to us, how about getting off your fucking ass and changing the laws.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants well since you told me you were a realist I can say you are a realist but you can't call me some fucking tree-bark eating hippie, because I'm not and obviously that shows you aren't even willing to consider if certain people are right about something making you a dumb ass ignorant person that will accomplish nothing for the human race. It's not worth commenting you because you won't listen, but I still will because it's funny, dick.
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 if you arent a tree bark eating hippie and you arent a meat consuming savage like the rest of us how do you live? do you stick your feet in the ground and look at the sun for food? your point's have been analyzed and their folly pointed out yet you still keep ranting on. I bet your a card carrying PETA sympathizer too aren't you maybe you even helped them kill 97% of the animals they 'saved' last year and stuck in a freezer because funding is better spent on propaganda. give it a rest.
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 Now now.... play nice Steve. He's about to tell me how he's doing something to benefiet us. Personally... I thought he was spewing a bunch of treehugging bullshit telling us that just because HE's too much of a dipshit to know his place on the food chain, that we should neglect ours as well. But APPARENTLY, he's found a way for vegitarianism to "benefiet the entire human race". Lets hear him out! hehehe
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants hey I'm a vegetarian! I love a big plate of green beans and corn right next to the mash potatoes,gravy and big heaping T-bone. Infact I munched on one while watching "meet your meat" and I must say it was almost arousing to watch PETA propaganda, I mean i haven't seen such BS since the soviet union.
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 hahaha. Hey now!! I hope those green beans weren't cooked in butter!! After all, butter's made from cream, which comes from cows, which is depriving a baby calf of their dinner!! (Actually, eat all the fucking butter you want. I'll just slaughter the little bastard for some veal cutlets). Yuuummmm.
I haven't watched that "meet your meat" yet... it sounds too much like a cheap, low budget porn. Yup...leave it to a vegan to endorse that shit! hehehe
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants I've seen it and I bet Peta raises animals in bad conditions just to pretend they infiltrate institutions so they can make their propaganda more valid!
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
@CanisLupus1987 Hey.... for every bit of solicited bullshit, fake propaganda, there's a vegan in there stuffing money in his or her pocket. Whaddya wanna bet that they sell the things down in chinatown for a few MORE bucks? It sure as shit wouldn't suprise me.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants Truth. Plus I bet Soy enterprises are also helping them. They are the ones who win with the whole no meat stuff.
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
@CanisLupus1987 Oh HELL yeah. Any absurd, non profit organization like PETA is all about making cash. They're tied into so much seedy shit, it's not even funny.
I researched them when my girlfriend and I were looking to adopt cats. They're fucking discusting with their practices, and its all by luring absolute idiots into their scheme. I've known a few vegan peta supporters, and doing a bit of traveling, and eating some rather exotic (wierd) shit, I was the one who had to educate them. Idiots.
jjrants 1 year ago
@VHDT10 "Accomplish nothing for the human race".... So by soliciting your bullshit views on becoming vegitarian, THIS is accomplishing something for the human race?? I'm sorry...I must have misunderstood. Now by being a pushy asshole on trying to change the eating habits of everyone because you simply don't like it, How exactly is this accomplishing something for the human race again?? (i'd love to hear what kind of bullshit you're going to pull out of your ass for this one). Please, do tell!!
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants hahaha, I'm not trying to change any eating habits or anything, you are bashing me with all this shit that I didn't say. All I want is for you to watch "meet your meat" and then you can say whatever you want. It's one of the many eye openers. If you disagree that's great, but watch the goddamn thing first. You like what I pulled from my ass? I'm glad you have that kind of faith in me.
VHDT10 1 year ago
@jjrants Yeah someone actually saw the same thing I saw and wrote on my blog
Vegan= Scientologist.
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
@VHDT10 Amen. I'm a veggie also.
TheGreatCompassion 1 year ago
@TheGreatCompassion word :)
VHDT10 1 year ago
@VHDT10 but IF people are meant to eat meat and meat needs to be slaughtered are you saying that people should have to do it all ourselves? or should the people that raise and slaughter animals should do it for free? im trying to figure out if your crazy or a communist. I would have no problem slaughtering my own beef, i have land in which to raise animals and can do it. what about someone that lives in an apartment in the city?
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@TheBigsteve2010 They are stupid. One killing his own meat would mean more animals killed and more meat wasted. Their argument is just plain ridiculous.
We Had a pig ( it got really big and only on healthy food and usually eating freely on our land) and we had so much meat we had to give away for our relatives and even so we had meat for 3 months... so buying from a a butcher (and choosing natural farmed animals) is better because you avoid unnecessary waste.
CanisLupus1987 1 year ago
@VHDT10 ok which is more cruel, a gazelle getting munched on while its still conscious or a air driven spike to the skull instantly killing the animal? with everything theres the exception of shady people that commit animal cruelty but for the most part I think we can safely say that our method of slaughtering animals is far more humane than a lions or a wolves. you cant stop the world, nature is far more cruel than humans on a daily basis, just when nature does it its just that "nature"
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
@VHDT10 yes we should thank the animal spirit for feeding us before we slaughter our food. does this mean i can ride down sunset blvd naked on a horse hootin and hollering and shooting a bow and arrow at pigeons on telephone lines?
TheBigsteve2010 1 year ago
I agree. Cats will chew on grass, but they are still carnivorous. house cat food is more grain that meat and they live just fine. You can buy cat grass for your house cat to chew on at a pet store. But they are still carnivorous. It's not black and white.
Humans can live on meat, but to get the nutrients they have to eat it raw and freshly killed like wild cats. Fresh live flesh has all necessary nutrients, but it depletes fast. Feed a cat nothing but cooked meat and it will die of malnutrition
RyanUnplugged 1 year ago
@RyanUnplugged Good stuff.
Cats mostly chew on grass for stomach discomfort or to induce vomitting. Helps with the hair balls.
Grains and such in cat food are just fillers so they won't have to use as much meat, and to, like you said make up for the fact that what they would normally get from the meat is either not there or depleted.
Ozza22 1 year ago
I always like my dinner with meat and some source of meat in my sandwiches. Great video XD
But I love the old green stuff to XD
DeadlyTeaParty 1 year ago
this is a really good video :D
cocoforcrack 1 year ago
Go and suck on a cucumber you veggies. Then hug a tree you fuckers. Hope a whale eats you.
vangoch999 1 year ago
Thank you
PrjRAPTOR 1 year ago
The best omnivore video on YouTube. Most Veg' videos only show one side and most anti Veg' videos show nothing at all. I'll rather get my nutrients from vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains, and seeds, it's easier and more efficient to digest.
HybridD91 1 year ago
In the wild, I'm sure it would be difficult to live without meat. It's probably difficult enough to find enough food to survive without excluding any type of food.
Fortunately, most of us watching this video are enough to be able to choose what they eat and what they don't.
As I've said, I'm vegan and feel privileged to have the luxury of being able to be a healthy vegan.
My vegan philisiohy in a nut shell: "I believe it is morally wrong to kill and eat any sentient being UNNECESSARILY.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
I'm vegan and I know that humans can digest both plant and animal matter and are therefore omnivorous.
On the subject of teeth, we have some physical traits that were useful in our evolutionary past which don't necessarily have an advantage in our modern species. We can live well without, for example, our appendix or tonsils so just because we possess a physical trait doesn't necessarily mean anything.
marcluc1988 1 year ago 2
The fact that humans can diget both plant and animal matter shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone but eating only plant food is not bad for you. In the modern Western diet, one cosumes too much meat than is healthy.
One other thing that is unquestionable is the fact that eating animal products causes suffering and death to billions of animals per year.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988 Actually, eating only plant can be terrible for the reasons you chose to ignore in the video.
Vegan mothers frequently get pregnancy completely wrong and decide to eat their child into a life of rickets, anemia or cretinism...it's just horrible. Children in the western, developed, rich world being born with third-world diseases. It's inexcusable and it's usually caused by pressure imposed on her by her partner to not eat what she has to.
In the UK cows usually get a humane headshot.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 Did you know that, one the 'humane' headshot KILLS the cow? How can you call unnecessary KILLING 'humane'? Humans are the only species to eat the BABY FOOD of ANOTHER SPECIES after WEANING.
Also, 12% of cows need more than one captive bolt shot to render them unconscious. Is THAT 'humane'?
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 I suspect these children born to vegan parents with horrible diseases, illnesses etc. are just media sensationalisms. A story about a child born to vegan parents is far more likely to be printed than a story about a child born to vegan parents who is doing fine.
Also, you mention that it's 'usually' the partner 'imposing' on her what she can and cannot eat. Well, 2/3 of vegans are female so I doubt it's "usually" the partner imposing his will on his wife/girlfriend.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 As an active member of several vegan organisations, I meet with vegans all the time and hear their stories of child birth, diets, health all the time and so I get to hear first-hand what real vegans lives are like. Not sensationalised stories in the media.
My sister was interveiwed for a local newspaper and I can tell you, she agrees, that a lot that what was printed (even in quotes), she never said. The media is not there to report, it's there to sensationalise.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988 I'm not going to respond to everything you said and I think that was your plan.
My mother is a midwife, she knows more tales of childbirth than you could ever know. I can remember one woman in particular who's child didn't survive the night because it was just so far gone. It had hardly any bodyfat, wouldn't feed, and while the mother was crying my mum couldn't stay in the same room because she was furious at her.
Of course this was a rare(ish) case of a poorly managed diet.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 I bet she knows meat-eaters who've lost babies too but minorities stand out. I'm highly unlikely to have a baby considering I'm male and gayu so your comment is totally irrelevant to me in any case.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 Also, I know a vegan lady whose midwife said she was going to call social services and have the baby taken in to care. So the mother got dressed and left the hospital and went to live with her mother for fear of ignorant people like your mother taking away her baby (because, I you say she was furious - not the best emotion for judging whether to take a baby from its mother).
Her daughter is now 20, perfectly healthy and has never consumed animals products.
Don't stereotype.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 You can have a bad diet whether you're vegan or not. Have you ever seen 'Supersize Me!'? THAT'S not a vegan diet by any stretch of the imagination. So don't judge all vegan diets to be bad any more than you would judge all non-vegan diets to be healthy.
It's not as black and white as you seem to paint it!
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 It's not I who is ignoring the facts. It's you who soak up this nonsense because it justifies your desire to consume animals.
I bet this guy and yourself know no (or very few) vegans on a personal basis.
Veganism is at the same point as homosexuality was about 30 years ago. Full of prejudice, myths and blantant rubbish. I just hope that in 30 years, veganism will follow the path of homosexuality, and people will be less ignorant.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 Another point is, as a gay male, pregnancy is not going to effect me. On top of this, I know many vegan mothers who've had no problems at all.
marcluc1988 1 year ago