Also, the 4 on 6 or 2 over 3, however you're looking at it, shouldn't be too hard at all... The first note of the left hand lines up perfectly with the first note of the right hand, as well as the 3rd note of the left hand and the 4th note of the right hand. You can let your hands guess in between, or with the 2 on 3 it can be perfected as the 2nd eighth note of the left hand falls exactly halfway between the 3rd and 4th triplet.
The hardest thing is bringing the melody (and countermelody).
"The anacrusis (non-melody part) is pure weight transfer." - Yes. Definitely. This is crucial. Or else you'll develop arthritis before you can perform this. Also, it allows the melody to be easily distinguishable from this light yet dextrous playing.
"practice slowly and lightly with broken chords...then gradually increase the tempo under control." - No. Playing this song slowly versus quickly requires two completely different techniques/mechanisms. In my opinion, faster and lighter is easier.
I disagree about the tempo - it should NOT be faster. The Chopin etudes are nearly always played too fast. I am sick of a lifetime of performances where the pianists play like little robots, rushing through the etudes one after another with no sense of line, obsessed with trying to prove how great they are technically while the music gets buried. . This one above all should have breadth and amplitude, with a subtle rubato. Her playing of it is incandescent and beautiful
Wow. Lisitsa plays it much faster. In fact, she plays almost everything much faster. However, I like these performances much more. She plays these very intimately and pays a great deal of attention to phrasing and voicing. Exquisite.
Bravoooo!!! She played op 25 nr 1 very similar to Rubinstein: The same rubato and tempo. Most pianists, including lisitsa played it too fast. This is one of my favorite etudes,
haha I was actually suprised that I found them so easy, i was scared when i seen them on the page. Try not to concentrate too much on the stated appoggiatura and try to establish a rythm, as if your hands are floating to the extemeties of the keyboard and then splashing in the middle. That's just a suggestion for technical bothers, this piece, along with Chopin's other works, call for individual style. Have fun :)
I play this piece, I did not say the rythms clash, I meant establish a rythmic hand movement to cope with the technical difficulty of the piece. It was also just a suggestion.
2:3 rhythms become catchy once you get them down...
just think (the left hand quadruplets on the right hand sextuplets)... both hands -> right hand immediately followed by left hand then another right hand
dont' think of it as playing left-hand quadruplets in 12/8. Think of it as right-hand triplets in 4/4, same sound - much easier to get your head around.
Learning your chord theory makes this piece much easier too. I'm actually an organist so fine on the chord front - just lacking the little-finger strength (it burns!)
hmm...im always trying to come to this speed with this etude..but it seems like there is no way i will ever achieve it, not in one month and not in one year.
and to tell you the truth, im still only trying to play the right hand ;)
does anyone have a tip for me? i dont have a piano grade or something, but still i think i should be able to manage this. the only tip i got yet is to play in a circling movement with the right hand. is there another tip?
Well, if other people can do it why shouldn't you! So perhaps practise more with both hands together. Try different rhythms if evenness is a trouble for you. The Alfred Cortot editions (look up Cortot Salabert) are good study editions with fingering suggestions that differ from what you might usually find and each etude is preceded by a text with suggestions of how to practise including exercises derived from the piece. And remember speed is secondary to making the piece sound good.
The anacrusis (non-melody part) is pure weight transfer. DO NOT use finger force!! Also, don't keybed (the note should be played lightly and not driven hard down). The finger just supply bones for the weight transfer (NOT MUSCLE). And yes, you need those circling motions to line the bones up for good arm power transference.
this piece requires large-ish hands which are soft and flexible and a very delicate touch, its light touch which brings the speed, practice stacatto, dotted rythms etc, and also, what helps, is play the broken chord tuplets as chords, rather than broken chords, to gain a sense of colour change
Err..how is someone supposed to practice this as blocked chords...you could injure your hand some of the stretches would be so wide!! And, most of the fingers would be assuming non-optimal positions inducing strain and ingraining bad habits. Better to let the hand find its most efficient natural alignment for each note and practice slowly and lightly with broken chords...then gradually increase the tempo under control.
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If she would only use more movement in her elbows and shoulders, it would help her to relax and produce a fuller sound. You can tell she has talent, just maybe not the right training perhaps? If you look at her left hand in some parts, you will see the stiffness I am talking about when her fingers curl and stick up, and also the tension in her right forearm. It's all about technique to help you in the end.
darkkerigan, you are right! I am studying this piece too and know which are the problems. Technique is a primary thing for this piece. Anyway it is not a bad performance, it seems an easy piece but it isn't
I am a classical pianist with conservatory training from the Manhattan School of music. When i watch her play, I get tense - Her technique isn't very good. If you take a close look at her hands, she seems very tense and stiff when she plays, taking away from what could be brilliant performances. I have performed this Etude many times and know the different challenges it presents. She personally is not my cup of tea, but it doesn't mean she is not talented =).
Wow.. This piece looks so easy when she played... well, I tried... finger twister, joint breaker... I can't even play a measure right... hehe... What a great pianist!
Does she play anything other than Chopin etudes? According to what's on Youtube, the answer is negative! Anyway, she is tremendous. Op.25 must be her favorite; I saw her playing the whole opus on the Rubinstein competition website. The whole damn thing, flawlessly. Her Beethoven wasn't as impressive, however.
Um, please look up the dictionary to learn the definition of "tremendous" and "flawlessly". Also, I can criticize anything and anyone I want because I'm entitled to my own opinions and tastes just like anybody. I certainly wouldn't ask a total stranger such a silly question as "And who the hell are you to criticize...". I'd feel foolish and embarrassed if I did that.
yeah. she's certainly good, but anyone can criticize other's work. She usually plays chopin, so her beethoven might not be as nice, i havnt heard it so i dont know but yeah.
around 1:20 was fantastic I have a friend who is an amazing pianist and I know she could pull this off I love her skill as much as I love her personally I can't wait to hear her play again this song reminds me of her.
Hmm, I wonder who you could be talking about, Shaggylord, *cough, cough* Cody. I love her interpretation of this song, it's my favorite, no wonder she made it to the finals.
I don't Know Goldenkitten *eh ehm* Megan I'm very alusive when I speak it could be about anyone :D But I think you might know*blush blush* Hehe :P Anyways CHYA she is awesome I love her performances oh and Son Yeol-eum is good too *wink*
Aeolian Harp is seemingly hard. I don't think I would play it right as of right now, maybe in a few years. It's a mature song, and I'm pretty immature when it comes to my personality, well, you know, you are around me everyday, lol.
Lol well whether its a few years or tomorrow I'm always going to be with you I know you are a wonderful person and pianist Its wonderful to be around you for a day and listen to you play. She is amazing but you are too never forget that.
aside from fantaisie impromptu and revolutionary etude , are there other chopin pieces a 13-year old can play ? (mazurkas not included hehe )thanks .......
There are preludes, etudes, waltzes, nocturnes, polonaises, impromptus, and others dpending on how advanced you are. You will appreciate the mazurkas more when you are older. they are musically very sophisticated.
She is so unpretentious in her playing, and no overly exaggerated body movements either - just beautifully interpreted and played Chopin - I love her playing, and her amazing technique, she makes it look so easy and flawless. Defdinitely a performer with class.
My favorite performance of this piece on YouTube!
MrPianogeek 7 months ago
Also, the 4 on 6 or 2 over 3, however you're looking at it, shouldn't be too hard at all... The first note of the left hand lines up perfectly with the first note of the right hand, as well as the 3rd note of the left hand and the 4th note of the right hand. You can let your hands guess in between, or with the 2 on 3 it can be perfected as the 2nd eighth note of the left hand falls exactly halfway between the 3rd and 4th triplet.
The hardest thing is bringing the melody (and countermelody).
dustinlima 1 year ago
"The anacrusis (non-melody part) is pure weight transfer." - Yes. Definitely. This is crucial. Or else you'll develop arthritis before you can perform this. Also, it allows the melody to be easily distinguishable from this light yet dextrous playing.
"practice slowly and lightly with broken chords...then gradually increase the tempo under control." - No. Playing this song slowly versus quickly requires two completely different techniques/mechanisms. In my opinion, faster and lighter is easier.
dustinlima 1 year ago
I disagree about the tempo - it should NOT be faster. The Chopin etudes are nearly always played too fast. I am sick of a lifetime of performances where the pianists play like little robots, rushing through the etudes one after another with no sense of line, obsessed with trying to prove how great they are technically while the music gets buried. . This one above all should have breadth and amplitude, with a subtle rubato. Her playing of it is incandescent and beautiful
beyond words. Bravo!
MISHA1119 1 year ago 2
Wow. Lisitsa plays it much faster. In fact, she plays almost everything much faster. However, I like these performances much more. She plays these very intimately and pays a great deal of attention to phrasing and voicing. Exquisite.
styler54 1 year ago 2
Very beautiful, thanks; and I'm sorry but you missed 12 notes at 2:20.
dchneric 1 year ago
@dchneric who cares, she did a beautiful job.
MrPianogeek 7 months ago
Very beautiful, thanks; and I'm sorry but you missed 12 notes at 2:20.
dchneric 1 year ago
Bravoooo!!! She played op 25 nr 1 very similar to Rubinstein: The same rubato and tempo. Most pianists, including lisitsa played it too fast. This is one of my favorite etudes,
arossle 1 year ago
this piece is unbelievable beautiful
real harp sounds calm realxing and romantic
Big thanks
fxv26 1 year ago
beautiful
MrMozartman 1 year ago
Génial magnifique et tendre
Genial, magnific and beautiful
MrMozartman 1 year ago
Very beautiful interpretation of this wonderful work. Thanks for posting.
cwldoc 2 years ago 4
just started this today and im in love with it... so much fun
maclover246 2 years ago 2
beautiful slow tempo. it's should be faster, but this way is more romantic. amazing
pejkr 2 years ago 6
the sixtuplets against quadruplets are killing me.
ilovemybagon 3 years ago 2
haha I was actually suprised that I found them so easy, i was scared when i seen them on the page. Try not to concentrate too much on the stated appoggiatura and try to establish a rythm, as if your hands are floating to the extemeties of the keyboard and then splashing in the middle. That's just a suggestion for technical bothers, this piece, along with Chopin's other works, call for individual style. Have fun :)
maddguizz74 2 years ago
i seen the piece myself no clashing of rhythms
theromanpraetorian 2 years ago
I play this piece, I did not say the rythms clash, I meant establish a rythmic hand movement to cope with the technical difficulty of the piece. It was also just a suggestion.
maddguizz74 2 years ago
2:3 rhythms become catchy once you get them down...
just think (the left hand quadruplets on the right hand sextuplets)... both hands -> right hand immediately followed by left hand then another right hand
repeat... etc. if you get what i mean
thaiguy20fromla 2 years ago
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all were sixtuplets playing together!!! there were no clashing of rhythms !!!! dont be stupid no offence
theromanpraetorian 2 years ago
i'm not being stupid. 0:53 - left hand quadruplets against right hand sextuplets. look at the sheet music
thaiguy20fromla 2 years ago 6
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dont be stupid all were sixtuplets no quadruplets there were no "clashing of ryhtms" in this piece.
theromanpraetorian 2 years ago
look at the score mm.17-21 for example
milograamans 2 years ago
dont' think of it as playing left-hand quadruplets in 12/8. Think of it as right-hand triplets in 4/4, same sound - much easier to get your head around.
Learning your chord theory makes this piece much easier too. I'm actually an organist so fine on the chord front - just lacking the little-finger strength (it burns!)
carrotman2001 1 year ago
.. and legato ..
culturehorse 3 years ago
.. beautiful hands ..
culturehorse 3 years ago 4
im playing this on a recital on tuesday. Quite a tough piece but VERY nice piece.
Simon0 3 years ago 3
She plays with such refreshing fluencey. I especially apreciated her Rubato in the last two bars.Genius.
65231x 3 years ago 4
hmm...im always trying to come to this speed with this etude..but it seems like there is no way i will ever achieve it, not in one month and not in one year.
and to tell you the truth, im still only trying to play the right hand ;)
does anyone have a tip for me? i dont have a piano grade or something, but still i think i should be able to manage this. the only tip i got yet is to play in a circling movement with the right hand. is there another tip?
it would really help me
Watcher0fTheSkies 3 years ago
Well, if other people can do it why shouldn't you! So perhaps practise more with both hands together. Try different rhythms if evenness is a trouble for you. The Alfred Cortot editions (look up Cortot Salabert) are good study editions with fingering suggestions that differ from what you might usually find and each etude is preceded by a text with suggestions of how to practise including exercises derived from the piece. And remember speed is secondary to making the piece sound good.
patrickytting 3 years ago
The anacrusis (non-melody part) is pure weight transfer. DO NOT use finger force!! Also, don't keybed (the note should be played lightly and not driven hard down). The finger just supply bones for the weight transfer (NOT MUSCLE). And yes, you need those circling motions to line the bones up for good arm power transference.
carlhopkinson 3 years ago
this piece requires large-ish hands which are soft and flexible and a very delicate touch, its light touch which brings the speed, practice stacatto, dotted rythms etc, and also, what helps, is play the broken chord tuplets as chords, rather than broken chords, to gain a sense of colour change
lazawrcat666 3 years ago 2
thanks to you guys for all the advices :)
im going to practice hard ;)
Watcher0fTheSkies 3 years ago
Err..how is someone supposed to practice this as blocked chords...you could injure your hand some of the stretches would be so wide!! And, most of the fingers would be assuming non-optimal positions inducing strain and ingraining bad habits. Better to let the hand find its most efficient natural alignment for each note and practice slowly and lightly with broken chords...then gradually increase the tempo under control.
carlhopkinson 3 years ago 3
@carlhopkinson Uhhhhh... now you tell me. Just tried piece, and it only takes 1 hour to make my hand fell numb.. FOR A DAY!! o.o
Sudokubank 1 year ago
Could anything be more beautiful than this music, her performance, and her demeanor?
HaddonLane 3 years ago 2
the audio isn't so good, but she plays this etude so well...
sissichopin91 3 years ago 4
my sound is not right and she plays so beautifull:')
krino2lino 3 years ago
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dcdude 3 years ago
good interpretation although the sound quality is nasty
spartanpredeterminad 3 years ago
very very nice interpretation !!!
siebhirn 3 years ago 2
sounds sexy
Sospiro1209 3 years ago
hahaha lol yes it does lol jk
imbored1996 3 years ago
Dear LULU, lovely girl... who are you ???? Thank you for your superlative interpretation .... you give me a deep impression. Wishes from Italy, Como Lake
ilovescarlatti 3 years ago
Brava!It's the best interpretation I've ever heard
RockonRoll92 3 years ago
If she would only use more movement in her elbows and shoulders, it would help her to relax and produce a fuller sound. You can tell she has talent, just maybe not the right training perhaps? If you look at her left hand in some parts, you will see the stiffness I am talking about when her fingers curl and stick up, and also the tension in her right forearm. It's all about technique to help you in the end.
darkkerrigan 4 years ago
darkkerigan, you are right! I am studying this piece too and know which are the problems. Technique is a primary thing for this piece. Anyway it is not a bad performance, it seems an easy piece but it isn't
maxbigazzi 3 years ago
But it's easier than many other chopin etudes. I had recognized too. Even yundi li's hands looks little bit stiffed.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
@darkkerrigan you can't doubt anything about her amazing technical ability .
Dennischek 1 year ago
I am a classical pianist with conservatory training from the Manhattan School of music. When i watch her play, I get tense - Her technique isn't very good. If you take a close look at her hands, she seems very tense and stiff when she plays, taking away from what could be brilliant performances. I have performed this Etude many times and know the different challenges it presents. She personally is not my cup of tea, but it doesn't mean she is not talented =).
darkkerrigan 4 years ago
弹得很牛逼了
zljaff 4 years ago
Excellent!
jsw663 4 years ago
Wow.. This piece looks so easy when she played... well, I tried... finger twister, joint breaker... I can't even play a measure right... hehe... What a great pianist!
yvawoo 4 years ago 3
Ok, this is brilliant. Its the best rendition I have heard on youtube.
cathysloper 4 years ago
Does she play anything other than Chopin etudes? According to what's on Youtube, the answer is negative! Anyway, she is tremendous. Op.25 must be her favorite; I saw her playing the whole opus on the Rubinstein competition website. The whole damn thing, flawlessly. Her Beethoven wasn't as impressive, however.
vitellia 4 years ago
And who the hell are you to critize anybody's work?
arivera3426 4 years ago
Um, please look up the dictionary to learn the definition of "tremendous" and "flawlessly". Also, I can criticize anything and anyone I want because I'm entitled to my own opinions and tastes just like anybody. I certainly wouldn't ask a total stranger such a silly question as "And who the hell are you to criticize...". I'd feel foolish and embarrassed if I did that.
vitellia 4 years ago 5
piss off wanker
arivera3426 4 years ago
Excuse me, but this not an appropriate manner to speak to a lady. A little more kindness does not harm. Friendly
d1040i300 3 years ago
who the hell are you talking to and who is the lady??
arivera3426 3 years ago
yeah. she's certainly good, but anyone can criticize other's work. She usually plays chopin, so her beethoven might not be as nice, i havnt heard it so i dont know but yeah.
shinhwa980324 4 years ago 2
At the same time, though, you gotta remember, she does this for a living.
Are you going to tell you're lawyer he's getting the argument all wrong?
Most lawyers would walk out. I would.
CheesePhoenix 4 years ago
"Does she play anything other than Chopin etudes?..."
answer:
"...I saw her playing the whole opus on the Rubinstein competition website..."
"...Her Beethoven wasn't as impressive, however...."
triplebig 3 years ago
great job!!!!!!brava!!!
RockonRoll92 4 years ago
Wonderful rubato and technique. One of the best performances of this Etude I have ever heard.
stephenTGV 4 years ago 3
around 1:20 was fantastic I have a friend who is an amazing pianist and I know she could pull this off I love her skill as much as I love her personally I can't wait to hear her play again this song reminds me of her.
shaggylord7 4 years ago
Hmm, I wonder who you could be talking about, Shaggylord, *cough, cough* Cody. I love her interpretation of this song, it's my favorite, no wonder she made it to the finals.
Goldenkitten4 4 years ago
I don't Know Goldenkitten *eh ehm* Megan I'm very alusive when I speak it could be about anyone :D But I think you might know*blush blush* Hehe :P Anyways CHYA she is awesome I love her performances oh and Son Yeol-eum is good too *wink*
shaggylord7 4 years ago
Aeolian Harp is seemingly hard. I don't think I would play it right as of right now, maybe in a few years. It's a mature song, and I'm pretty immature when it comes to my personality, well, you know, you are around me everyday, lol.
Goldenkitten4 4 years ago
Lol well whether its a few years or tomorrow I'm always going to be with you I know you are a wonderful person and pianist Its wonderful to be around you for a day and listen to you play. She is amazing but you are too never forget that.
shaggylord7 4 years ago
THanks Cody. Hey listen to her play Etude 25 - 6 and 25 - 11, they are awesome. She is kick ass, I love her.
Goldenkitten4 4 years ago
1:13 - 1:30 was brilliant . also she had a nice rubato the best interpretation i've heard.
ninsanjin 4 years ago
very delicious performance
196823 4 years ago
this 21 years old korean young pianist it brilliant !
I can't wait to see her play live
cyberguile 4 years ago
She plays just wiyh feeling and a great technique yet I have heard her interpretation as well.Fantastic.
adamchikha 4 years ago
Sooo piacevole :)
jannokas85 4 years ago
10 !!!!
internosil 4 years ago
best version on youtube
oldmiyagi 4 years ago
I disagree: Rubinstein has a sense of colour that gives a whole new sense to the piece. But I still like her very much!
guboub 4 years ago 2
yep my mistake sorry.. i meant that this is one of the bests (to me) :)
oldmiyagi 4 years ago
Heartfelt and musical
shishirth 4 years ago
aside from fantaisie impromptu and revolutionary etude , are there other chopin pieces a 13-year old can play ? (mazurkas not included hehe )thanks .......
lukey7650 4 years ago
There are preludes, etudes, waltzes, nocturnes, polonaises, impromptus, and others dpending on how advanced you are. You will appreciate the mazurkas more when you are older. they are musically very sophisticated.
piano6861 4 years ago
She is so unpretentious in her playing, and no overly exaggerated body movements either - just beautifully interpreted and played Chopin - I love her playing, and her amazing technique, she makes it look so easy and flawless. Defdinitely a performer with class.
kwongi 4 years ago 2
i really adore how she plays...i was listening to some of her other work her playing just so refined and expressive
lifehappens 4 years ago 2
shes very animated too, full of class
chupashuevos 4 years ago
GREAT ! I hope I can one day play like this. Realle good work
chinesepianist 4 years ago
i agree, the rubato could be less; however, the clarity of melody and flowing accompanying notes are well done.
parlait 4 years ago
Great expression, and I actually think the rubato is in good taste.
skg1991 4 years ago
wonderful; )
manowarbabsi 4 years ago 2
i love this song, this melody is sweet
manowarbabsi 5 years ago
she really sing good the melody but i think that is too much rubato
josetato 5 years ago
she really got the rubato and swing of melody as it developed.Goos Chopin playing
lovesGenet 5 years ago
beautiful, the melody is so lucid.
fortissimo25 5 years ago
love this piece
aidengrandfield 5 years ago