@elendil77 Someone who has escaped from a place, but STILL prefers living like the people in this clip rather than go home is guaranteed to have a reason for his escape. If you think that lunafringe10, or yourself, is too good for afghanistan because you are not from there, but these refugees are not too good for it, than you value a man less for his origin. Which is racist.
there is no "too good" or "too bad"....we are NOT from there! Nor any of our ancestors, so you cannot tell us to go "back".
They ARE from there, their ancestors were Afghans, they are not Europeans. Racist or not (btw they are basically WHITE), Europe is for Europeans. What they have or don't have is not our problem! And it's not just war, is there a war in Mexico? USA is flooded with them!
@elendil77 The average white american has all his ancestors in Europe (only indians are native americans) should they move back here? We all ultimately have our ancestors in Africa, does that mean we should all have to "go back" there? You make an illusion of borders that don't naturally exist, with the consequence of people having to suffer and die because they are not European. Mexicans have other reasons to escape. There is no official war in Kongo either, although thousands are killed there.
America is a different story, and you can't go back to the dawn of homo sapiens to back up your claim. Virtually all European ethnic groups have been here for the last two tousand years....and longer!
The "we're all immigrants" argument does NOT apply in Europe!
And what are their reason? Poveety? As I said, they're asking for a handout. I would sooner flush five eruos down the toillet than let it be wasted on accommodating them.
@elendil77 "Virtually all European ethnic groups have been here for the last two tousand years....and longer!". You seem to think that for this time, Europe has been immune to immigration and exchange between gene pools?
Poverty leads to starvation. They are looking for jobs that are good enough paid to let them live a slightly more decent life. But they probably still have to work harder than you for less money, so you are more than they comparable to the one who gets handouts.
I don't want them to work for a nickel! I don't care if they are willing to accept that. they can do that back home. YEs, we won't work for a penny, so wha? We should let them do that and deprive our fellow countrymen of their jobs?
borders are no less "real" than institutions, democracy, human rights, laws or anything else created by common consent. The only thing that separates social reality from an illusion is consent.
Since most people believe in borders and nations, you are defending an illusion. If you want us to go back to "natural state", renounce EVERYTHING that exists only within social reality, including propert!y Do you think there's a biological connection between my body and my car?
I value my family's and friends' needs way above strangers'! Does that sound "racist"?
Since there is a hierarchy, with my family at the top, followed by friends, neighbours and finally my compatriots. Charity begins at home, and since there are seven million people on this planet, it also ENDS there.
I suggest you look into ethnic nepotism altough in my case it extends to other ethnic groups as long they are indigenous Europeans.
@elendil77 So what have they done to your family? What is racist is that you want these people to die, not that you put family first.
Charity begins with the ones who needs it the most; If a man is shot and another gets a paper cut, you first help the guy who got shot.
"A country of their own" "no full scale war". You obviously think that Afghanistan is quite a picnic. I've got news for you: there's still a goddamn lot of persecution going on with people being tortured and killed.
My family was just a comparisment, I said my family matters more than a total stranger, but a total stranger who is also a fellow countrymen is also more important than any immigrant.
I don't want them to die, but I don't want them here either. 3 billion people live in appaling conditions! So, we should invite them all to enjoy our advanteges? They migh want to learn how to use a condom instead!
Oh, a we like to twist our opponents words a bit, don't we? Did I say it was a picnic? Full scale war is different from unstable region. People are raped and tortured here as well. Sometimes by immigrants.
@elendil77 Discussing the details can go on for ever, so let's just say the important stuff: nepotism is in my life proven wrong, since I unconciously love people who have no ethnic bonds to me as much as others, and the only people I've met that aren't also that way are those who consciously choose to unlike people of other origin as result to brainwash from parents or similar.
@elendil77 Well, since nepotism is based on a false theory about sheer sentimental response, that comment surprised me.
Greed does actively harm people (our entire western lifestyle depends on pollution and lousy working conditions justified only by racism and ignorance, as already conlcuded)
"...It's our fault that Africa is in such a pitiful state, so we must let them in..." far from what I said. I explained that racism was only made to justify our greed.
Racism involves racial supremacy, anything else is merely racial realism. Greed does not need justification,
feudal lords exploited their own people.
Finding someone likable a priori, just because he is human is pure sentimental response. If you think it's anythin rational, you're beyond help. nepotism is based on collectivist impulse, not sentimentality. We are social animals but we still love indivdualism, sthat's why the collective identity evolved. It combines both needs.
@elendil77 "Racial realism" is only i nicer word for racism.
Feudal lords justified it for being of nobel family.
Nepotism is founded of the idea of people prefering a certain "kind" of people because of sentimental response. I don't like everybody, but their origin does not effect whether or not I do.
NO, that's white nationalism. Racial realism means that we acknowledge that races exist. And most people of any race AGREE. It has nothing to do with politics.
well, they do! It has been proven over and over again. people prefer people who have similar views, interests, characteristics etc.
If you wish to prove that something is false, you can only fight the that idea of "kind". Trying to prove that our response to other people is not based on emotions is idiotic.
Actually, my nepotism is based on common culture and ethnic origin, so technically if there is a child of mixed race whose parent is of my ethnic group, and if it's brought up in our culture.
Since I am white, of course i incidentally give an advantage to whites, but NOT all whites, and not because of their biological race. News flash, Afghans are WHITE!!!! If I was a racist I would say I will take them in and reject Africans. People with darker complexion are not black.
yes, but they did exploit serfs, didn't they. If I start a company and give good wages, I gurantee it I am making more good than by donating to UNICEF.
Invisble hand, right? Capitalism is natural, because people work for their own gain and their immediate family not someone else's. Both socialism and feudalism do not encourage work
you obviously can't read. It is purely sentimental/emotional response, but that's not where ethnic nepotism stems from. Your love of someone regardless of his/her ethnic background is still love- an emotion. You can build a case for universalism, but certainly not on anything rational.
@elendil77 And the reason to it is only that people want to justify having products that bring suffering to people. In older days, people made excuses to make blacks look less worth than us so that they could use them as slaves, and the tracks are still there, making ideologies like nepotism arise as a bitter aftertaste of a greedy and evil system. And it's still running. Slaves kept by guerillas in africa mine the minerals used to make our electronics.
@elendil77 Or, as in your case, since you maybe didn't know specifically that your electronics came from armed groups, it's only used as an excuse not to help suffering people. Since your neighbour doesn't suffer as much, it's a lot more comfortable to care for him. And you hear about this made up ideology and use it to justify your greed and selfishness.
No, he is my compatriot, and I care more about his non-basic needs than basic needs of any foreigner. It has nothing to do with what's easier. Sure, we have hospitals, welfare system, charity organizations so he can hardly be in the same situation as someone in Africa, but I still prefer to help him. Of course there ARE people of my own kind who are sick, poor, handicapped, they have the advantage, but immigrant scroungers are exluded.
hahaha....so is that bloke I've met for the first time in my life. But if he needs an operation without which he would die, I will still spend my money on my cousin's education. i rest my case! You don't understand the concept of giving priority to your compatriots and peole from the same culture, and I can't help it. Actually, you obviously believe in "no bordes" ideology, so you are blind and deaf to ideals like patriotism, nativism and Europeanism.
@elendil77 Your "civilization" is but part of humanity. It's only an excuse because helping your friend who wants a better car seems easier than helping someone in real need. You can't help everyone, but a few of those in greatest need you CAN help.
LOL.....easier? Good cars cost a lot of money. If used half of it, it would home those immigrants for some time.
I will follow my own pattern, thank you! First those countrymen who are in greatest need, the non-essential needs of my countrymen, and if there's anything left foreigners.....in FOREIGN lands, not here.
@elendil77 Anyway, I don't think we are going to get any further now, and I gotta sleep, so good night to you sir. :) Hope you'll realize how bizarre it is to put a car before a life someday! ;)
Greed is a problem only if it actively harms someone else. If i prefer to invest my money to make more money than to spend it on charity, that's not a crime.
they want a handout! They think we are obliged to feed them. They have their own country, Afghanistan is not the safest place on Earth, but there's no full scale war at this pooint.
هاى افسوس چې د يوې ويزې له پاره دوى دومره درواغ وايي خداى مو تباه او برباد کړه لکه دا ياست چې په سلو کې سل فيصده دا ډول کيسې درواغ دي > it's nothing but a bullshit they will say whatever is necessary for obtaining a visa ................ shame on them
human beings are well adopted, and capable of creating shelter on their own, and living isolated. survival of the fittest. sounds cruel, but true. and the french government could go to hell and all the other governments who attempt to hurt people. Just use your brains...you will survive.
@larawbarafghan1
Learn some English, bloody scrounger!
EUROPE FOR EUROPEANS
elendil77 3 months ago
@lunafringe10 Or we send YOU there and see how you like it.
SimonDaNinja2 4 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
send him back to HIS country? I'm pretty sure he is writting from there!
What kind of a twisted logic is this? You will send him to Afghfanistan which is not his country of origin, but Afghanis should not be deported?
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 Someone who has escaped from a place, but STILL prefers living like the people in this clip rather than go home is guaranteed to have a reason for his escape. If you think that lunafringe10, or yourself, is too good for afghanistan because you are not from there, but these refugees are not too good for it, than you value a man less for his origin. Which is racist.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
there is no "too good" or "too bad"....we are NOT from there! Nor any of our ancestors, so you cannot tell us to go "back".
They ARE from there, their ancestors were Afghans, they are not Europeans. Racist or not (btw they are basically WHITE), Europe is for Europeans. What they have or don't have is not our problem! And it's not just war, is there a war in Mexico? USA is flooded with them!
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 The average white american has all his ancestors in Europe (only indians are native americans) should they move back here? We all ultimately have our ancestors in Africa, does that mean we should all have to "go back" there? You make an illusion of borders that don't naturally exist, with the consequence of people having to suffer and die because they are not European. Mexicans have other reasons to escape. There is no official war in Kongo either, although thousands are killed there.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
America is a different story, and you can't go back to the dawn of homo sapiens to back up your claim. Virtually all European ethnic groups have been here for the last two tousand years....and longer!
The "we're all immigrants" argument does NOT apply in Europe!
And what are their reason? Poveety? As I said, they're asking for a handout. I would sooner flush five eruos down the toillet than let it be wasted on accommodating them.
Society IS an illusion,
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 "Virtually all European ethnic groups have been here for the last two tousand years....and longer!". You seem to think that for this time, Europe has been immune to immigration and exchange between gene pools?
Poverty leads to starvation. They are looking for jobs that are good enough paid to let them live a slightly more decent life. But they probably still have to work harder than you for less money, so you are more than they comparable to the one who gets handouts.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
I don't want them to work for a nickel! I don't care if they are willing to accept that. they can do that back home. YEs, we won't work for a penny, so wha? We should let them do that and deprive our fellow countrymen of their jobs?
Well, it has managed to repel most invasions!
elendil77 3 months ago
borders are no less "real" than institutions, democracy, human rights, laws or anything else created by common consent. The only thing that separates social reality from an illusion is consent.
Since most people believe in borders and nations, you are defending an illusion. If you want us to go back to "natural state", renounce EVERYTHING that exists only within social reality, including propert!y Do you think there's a biological connection between my body and my car?
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
I value my family's and friends' needs way above strangers'! Does that sound "racist"?
Since there is a hierarchy, with my family at the top, followed by friends, neighbours and finally my compatriots. Charity begins at home, and since there are seven million people on this planet, it also ENDS there.
I suggest you look into ethnic nepotism altough in my case it extends to other ethnic groups as long they are indigenous Europeans.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 So what have they done to your family? What is racist is that you want these people to die, not that you put family first.
Charity begins with the ones who needs it the most; If a man is shot and another gets a paper cut, you first help the guy who got shot.
"A country of their own" "no full scale war". You obviously think that Afghanistan is quite a picnic. I've got news for you: there's still a goddamn lot of persecution going on with people being tortured and killed.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
My family was just a comparisment, I said my family matters more than a total stranger, but a total stranger who is also a fellow countrymen is also more important than any immigrant.
I don't want them to die, but I don't want them here either. 3 billion people live in appaling conditions! So, we should invite them all to enjoy our advanteges? They migh want to learn how to use a condom instead!
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
No it doesn't! It matters more what type of car my fellow countrymen drives than whether these guys have something to eat. Yes it does to me!
Look up ethnic nepotism, and you will understand. That pretty much describes my POW adequately!
I care about our economy and our identity, and they will ruin both!
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
Oh, a we like to twist our opponents words a bit, don't we? Did I say it was a picnic? Full scale war is different from unstable region. People are raped and tortured here as well. Sometimes by immigrants.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 Discussing the details can go on for ever, so let's just say the important stuff: nepotism is in my life proven wrong, since I unconciously love people who have no ethnic bonds to me as much as others, and the only people I've met that aren't also that way are those who consciously choose to unlike people of other origin as result to brainwash from parents or similar.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
unconciously is empathic reaction. I also like virtually everyone when it comes to sheer senitmental response. -
But if I chose to follow it without thinkig I would be a proverbial church mouse in before sunset. I think you understand.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 Well, since nepotism is based on a false theory about sheer sentimental response, that comment surprised me.
Greed does actively harm people (our entire western lifestyle depends on pollution and lousy working conditions justified only by racism and ignorance, as already conlcuded)
"...It's our fault that Africa is in such a pitiful state, so we must let them in..." far from what I said. I explained that racism was only made to justify our greed.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
Racism involves racial supremacy, anything else is merely racial realism. Greed does not need justification,
feudal lords exploited their own people.
Finding someone likable a priori, just because he is human is pure sentimental response. If you think it's anythin rational, you're beyond help. nepotism is based on collectivist impulse, not sentimentality. We are social animals but we still love indivdualism, sthat's why the collective identity evolved. It combines both needs.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 "Racial realism" is only i nicer word for racism.
Feudal lords justified it for being of nobel family.
Nepotism is founded of the idea of people prefering a certain "kind" of people because of sentimental response. I don't like everybody, but their origin does not effect whether or not I do.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
NO, that's white nationalism. Racial realism means that we acknowledge that races exist. And most people of any race AGREE. It has nothing to do with politics.
well, they do! It has been proven over and over again. people prefer people who have similar views, interests, characteristics etc.
If you wish to prove that something is false, you can only fight the that idea of "kind". Trying to prove that our response to other people is not based on emotions is idiotic.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 BUT thinking that those one race should look after primarilly those of the same race IS racist my good sir.
Anyway, good night ^^
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
Actually, my nepotism is based on common culture and ethnic origin, so technically if there is a child of mixed race whose parent is of my ethnic group, and if it's brought up in our culture.
Since I am white, of course i incidentally give an advantage to whites, but NOT all whites, and not because of their biological race. News flash, Afghans are WHITE!!!! If I was a racist I would say I will take them in and reject Africans. People with darker complexion are not black.
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
yes, but they did exploit serfs, didn't they. If I start a company and give good wages, I gurantee it I am making more good than by donating to UNICEF.
Invisble hand, right? Capitalism is natural, because people work for their own gain and their immediate family not someone else's. Both socialism and feudalism do not encourage work
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
you obviously can't read. It is purely sentimental/emotional response, but that's not where ethnic nepotism stems from. Your love of someone regardless of his/her ethnic background is still love- an emotion. You can build a case for universalism, but certainly not on anything rational.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 As a matter of fact, I was planning on bringing feudal lords up ^^
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
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@elendil77 ...but we still need to help them, because they are dying and suffering.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@elendil77 And the reason to it is only that people want to justify having products that bring suffering to people. In older days, people made excuses to make blacks look less worth than us so that they could use them as slaves, and the tracks are still there, making ideologies like nepotism arise as a bitter aftertaste of a greedy and evil system. And it's still running. Slaves kept by guerillas in africa mine the minerals used to make our electronics.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@elendil77 Or, as in your case, since you maybe didn't know specifically that your electronics came from armed groups, it's only used as an excuse not to help suffering people. Since your neighbour doesn't suffer as much, it's a lot more comfortable to care for him. And you hear about this made up ideology and use it to justify your greed and selfishness.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
No, he is my compatriot, and I care more about his non-basic needs than basic needs of any foreigner. It has nothing to do with what's easier. Sure, we have hospitals, welfare system, charity organizations so he can hardly be in the same situation as someone in Africa, but I still prefer to help him. Of course there ARE people of my own kind who are sick, poor, handicapped, they have the advantage, but immigrant scroungers are exluded.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 I rest my case, immigrants are also people of your own kind.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
hahaha....so is that bloke I've met for the first time in my life. But if he needs an operation without which he would die, I will still spend my money on my cousin's education. i rest my case! You don't understand the concept of giving priority to your compatriots and peole from the same culture, and I can't help it. Actually, you obviously believe in "no bordes" ideology, so you are blind and deaf to ideals like patriotism, nativism and Europeanism.
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
since i cannot help everyone, I will not even begin to extend charity beyond the boundaries of my own civilization.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 Your "civilization" is but part of humanity. It's only an excuse because helping your friend who wants a better car seems easier than helping someone in real need. You can't help everyone, but a few of those in greatest need you CAN help.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
LOL.....easier? Good cars cost a lot of money. If used half of it, it would home those immigrants for some time.
I will follow my own pattern, thank you! First those countrymen who are in greatest need, the non-essential needs of my countrymen, and if there's anything left foreigners.....in FOREIGN lands, not here.
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
it doesn't matter. If it's gone, then the whole humanity can go to hell.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 Anyway, I don't think we are going to get any further now, and I gotta sleep, so good night to you sir. :) Hope you'll realize how bizarre it is to put a car before a life someday! ;)
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
not if you are a nepotist!
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
Oh, yeah...I know all about that bs! It's our fault that Africa is in such a pitiful state, so we must let them in.
elendil77 3 months ago
@elendil77 And I have to admit, I am also a greedy bastard, to be honest. But I am trying to change that as much as I possibly can.
SimonDaNinja2 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
Greed is a problem only if it actively harms someone else. If i prefer to invest my money to make more money than to spend it on charity, that's not a crime.
elendil77 3 months ago
@SimonDaNinja2
they want a handout! They think we are obliged to feed them. They have their own country, Afghanistan is not the safest place on Earth, but there's no full scale war at this pooint.
elendil77 3 months ago
@killdehippies Well MAYBE (since it kinda' was the topic of the film), he refered to rights such as shelter?
SimonDaNinja2 4 months ago
u tray to learn english
totakey 6 months ago
@totakey Learn to spell when insulting someone.
NicolaJane0085 5 months ago
هاى افسوس چې د يوې ويزې له پاره دوى دومره درواغ وايي خداى مو تباه او برباد کړه لکه دا ياست چې په سلو کې سل فيصده دا ډول کيسې درواغ دي > it's nothing but a bullshit they will say whatever is necessary for obtaining a visa ................ shame on them
ismail9431 8 months ago
now they have no shelter so what? send them to their home country,
lunafringe10 1 year ago
human beings are well adopted, and capable of creating shelter on their own, and living isolated. survival of the fittest. sounds cruel, but true. and the french government could go to hell and all the other governments who attempt to hurt people. Just use your brains...you will survive.
crazykidfolife 2 years ago