Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
A free thought convention for freethinkers, atheists, naturalists? Who was it that picked the slogan, "I Think Therefore I Am". Would it not be more appropriate to use something like, "Neurological Processes Occur Therefore I Am Not". ?????
I like the fact that this is at a All Souls Unitarian Church. A church? I mean what is next, this is like having an overeaters anoinmous meeting at "Golden Coral" or an AA meeting at at bar. I mean could this group not afford to rent a community building or a college campus? That is just wild to me. Maybe next the Muslim community will open a a mosque for your next meeting, just ask them, see what they say...........lol
@ockersteve Had you done a bit of homework, you'd realize that many atheists attend Unitarian services for the community and interaction, and because most Unitarian churches promote principles for living instead of dogma and doctrine. In Unitarian churches, the atheist is welcome, as are people from all walks of life. Whether or not you agree with the idea, this organization welcomed more than 300 atheist attendees and accommodated the event with courtesy and goodwill. My thanks to them.
@TheThinkingAtheist Dear Thinking Athiest, I had no idea about the Unitarian Church, and what it means. It was actually interesting reading on it. It just seemed funny to me seeing an Athiest Group at a Church, but when i read about unitarians, it made sense. No, I am not Athiest, but I do respect peoples beliefs. Thank you for informing me about the Unitarian Church.
"[the free thought convention] is at a [sic] All Souls Unitarian Church. This is like having an overeaters anoinmous [sic] meeting at "Golden Coral [sic]" or an AA meeting at at bar." - ockersteve
Your analogies of atheists in a church to overeaters and alcoholics recovery members at a Golden Corral and bar respectively are tragically flawed as we are not a group of people dependent upon religion. We would be the group that simply promotes responsible eating drinking in such an analogy.
In essence, a church is nothing more than any other structure - composed of a skeleton, bricks, wood, and mortar resting upon a foundation. Whatever we decide to call this building is completely arbitrary and irrelevant to the activities enjoyed on the inside (such as we observed with FreeOK). When Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet in 2006, neither the mass, composition, orbit, satellites, rotation, et al., changed as a result.
In fact, being in a Unitarian church doesn't make one a Unitarian anymore than being in a garage makes one a car. I can understand completely the desire to steer away from any church, but let's try to keep an open mind and recognize that it's probably the church sermon you're really weirded out about and not necessarily the secular activities going on before/after hours and there's a glaring difference between the two. This was a completely secular event inside a building called a church.
In the words of Shakespeare, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Those words ring true today. If your only grievance with the location is the name it is given, then you are working from flawed logic, my friend. That is to suggest you would refuse to eat a delicious and potable meal because someone called it "crap" when you would ingest ethylene glycol if it was called "spaghetti".
The essence of what an object is exists independent of a mind to perceive and consequently name it and all you're effectively disputing is the name of the building, not the building itself.
"could this group not afford to rent a community building or a college campus?" - ockersteve
We almost had a college auditorium secured, but when it fell through our options were sorely limited. Have you ever tried securing a large venue for an atheist group?
"Maybe next the Muslim community will open a a [sic] mosque for your next meeting, just ask them, see what they say" - ockersteve
If invited, we would. Alas, Muslims aren't generally as accepting as Unitarians and - if you did your homework as Seth suggested - you would realize that many Unitarians are very atheist friendly.
For the record, next year's FreeOK will be held at a convention center. You're more than welcome to come hang out.
@willpoire Thank you for the invite. I am not Athiest, but most people that know me are suprised that I have in the past stuck up for them. You see I had a great uncle that him and his wife were devout Athiest, and supported Athiest groups, but they always respected me, and the rest of the family that was Christian. It was not a big deal, there was respect, it was family, and that is how it should be.
this series is fantastic well coming from TheThinkingAtheist would not expect it not to be,i however have a confession in truth i am a "fence sitter"in other words agnostic and not proud to admit that,though we can dismiss the bible and other holy books,and probably due to lack of intelligence of knowing all i am not able to dismiss that there isn't a "God or higher intelligence"which is a reason i started to study philosophy. Philosophy is not all about religion in fact a lot has to do with
Lol, What kind of question is that? You don't have a choice. God is there and He sees all that you do and think, good and evil. The crazy thing is, God loves you even at your worse. He is there for you. If you seek Him, you will find Him. This is the great promise
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. ~ Matthew 7:7-8
so why does he send people to hell for the simple act of not believing, why does he send babies to hell for nbot being christened, why does he torture many nice innocent people for eternity for nothing other than a disbelief? that is NOT love, you cant force love, your god is a cunt!
@theUKatheist Babies don't go to hell whether they are christened or not. Baby baptism is not Biblical. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling the Jews what they need to do in order to be saved. "Repent" How can a baby repent?
why dont you just think about what your saying instead of instantly thinking of excuses. how can a dying /dead baby repent and be baptised? BABIES CANT REPENT! that verse is refering to any adults that have not been baptised yet!.
""Repent" How can a baby repent?"
EXACTLY MY POINT. according to your god ,they go to hell!
also what about the BILLIONS of good , hard working non believers or believers of another religion?
@theUKatheist Exactly, babies can't repent so there is no such thing as baby baptism. The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin. So there is no such thing as original sin or baby baptism. So God doesn't send babies to hell when they die unbaptized. The are angels and they have no sin.
Your comment about God has ended any further debates between you and I savage.
@miket1m " The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin"
well that is a lie. how can someone else take away a sin. if i commit a crime and someone else goes to jail for me that is not taking away the immoral act from me is it? the whole concept is idiotic.
"So God doesn't send babies to hell when they die unbaptized"
you do not know this, he did not tell you.
"Your comment about God has ended any further debates between you and I savage."
@theUKatheist Well thats a lie? Do you read what is posted and think about or do you just make up your own meaning as to what is said in the post? Whats wrong with you? If you commit a crime, you child is not responsible for that crime. Thats all I said.
God did tell me and everyone through the Bible moron.
You don't even understand what you are talking about, thats what I believe. You make atheist look bad.
@miket1m "You don't even understand what you are talking about, thats what I believe. You make atheist look bad."
loo, its you who doesnt understand anything here. you dont even know what you said or i said , your comment makes little sense.
"If you commit a crime, you child is not responsible for that crime. "
thats my point! ffs are you retarded or something. this is what God has done with us. ADAM committed the sin yet WE are responsible. why dont you understand the comparison dumbass!
@miket1m continued - "The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin"
so why are we responsible for the sin of Adam !!?!??!!??
you are going around in circles, its like you have a mental issue or something.
also ""Well thats a lie?"
well can you prive anything you have said? can you prove to me that hell exists, or that babies dont go there or that heaven exists anything? the answer is no. you are being dishonest, if you or no one else can prove it, why say it!?!?!
Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. ~ Romans 5:18 Just as we were all condemned by act of Adam, we are all saved by the act of Jesus dying on the cross.
Can you prove that don't exist? That God doesn't exist? No so shut the hell up.
@miket1m "Can you prove that don't exist? That God doesn't exist? No so shut the hell up." that just proves you are a fucking retard right there. YOU CANT DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF ANYTHING!!! its a logical fallacy you ass hole. every bit of proof given can be rationalized.
example
prove to me that an invisible alien named Steve doesnt live on Jupiter. you cant disprove it!
the burden of proof is on the person/people CLAIMING THE EXISTENCE!
so now ass hole, you have to prove God DOES exist!
instead of being such a dick and then trying to shift the burden of proof to me,you should now prove god exists, like i said disproving existence is nonsensical, trying to put that on me shows your pussy way out and shows you know absolutely nothing on the subject!
Also dont quote bible verses it makes you look like a moron. i could easily quote verses that you can not explain and makes the bible look like a vile piece od shit.
How am I being a dick? I'm simply asking you to validate your position. Atheism is an intellectual decision. I would like to know why you have decided not to believe in God. You guys whine, "we don't see any proof" Not good enough. Because you don't see any proof doesn't mean God does not exist. In order for you to say there is no God, you would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the entire universe? Look svage, you want proof ok.
Ok savage, here is proof. I need to ask you a question. Do you think you could just answer the question without saying something like, "This doesn't have anything to do with..." or something similarly stupid?
If you don't answer the question I am just going to assume you don't know the answer, ok? Give it the ole savage try!
there is no such thing as absolutes. that is why its impossible to disprove anything existing, hence why the burden of proof is on the person claiming the existence.
i say im not absolutely positive a god does not exist, BUT the evidence and logic behind it is non existent therefore there is absolutely no reason to believe a god exists. so to me its around 99.99% chance that a god is not real.
instead of throwing insults , ask questions. LEARN SOMETHING!
To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. It s either true or false. If its true, then its false...which is logically contradiction which proves my premise to begin with. So, it can only be false and there are such things as logical absolutes.
@miket1m no, as far as we know there are no absolutes, the answer its self is not absolute because we do not know! we do not have the knowledge yet to say if there are absolutes or not. i say there are no absolutes because of this very reason.
okay answer this
is god so powerful he can create a rock even he couldn't lift?
answers.
no - he is not all powerful if he cant create that rock.
yes - he is not all powerful if he cant lift that rock.
Once you are introduced to an idea, you can't stay neutral about it. You invariably make a judgment about an idea once it has been introduced to you. You can brush it off as ridiculous, ponder its possibility, accept it, reject it, or do something in between. But you can't return to a lack of belief position, if lack of belief is defined as a non-intellectual commitment or non-action concerning belief.
i was introduced to the idea of god at a young age, i believed it, later on i read the bible investigated the source of the bible, looked into other religion, used my logic and intelligence to determine that a god was not likely, therefore i REJECTED IT. i have had religious people constantly throwing their "proof and evidence" at me, i research this evidence and it turns out to be false or illogical, so i still REJECT the idea of a gods existence.
call me savage again and you will be blocked, you have been warned. ask the question, i will answer it however i see fit. you cannot put boundries on how i want to answer a question. if you are not willing to listen to the answer then why ask it?
@theUKatheist Sure you do idiot. You say there is no such thing as God. I believe there is no God. What the hell is the difference you imbecile? I'm getting very aggravated with you. You have to be a young kid because your statements are child like
no they are not, you are infuriating, you have no clue about burden of proof, you spew out logical fallacies, you never bother RESEARCHING before you spew out total nonsense and insults.
"What the hell is the difference you imbecile?
you STILL dont even understand burden of proof when i have explained it and you have the fucking internet to check it out. why be so ignorant? why not just look it up? do you even try to understand anything?
@miket1m haha, big man speaks through the internet. grow up. you threaten people online you fucking retard. oh if you were infront of my i would turn into a giant and stamp on you while while superman fetches me a coke and batman gives me thumbs up.. talking bollocks through the net is not hard little boy.
also everything you said is AGAINST YOUR RELIGION! .,. man you are fucking retarded. not only do you talk like a child through the net but you defy your own religion. YOUR A FUCKING MORON!
@miket1m wow, brilliant comeback! a repeat of what i said to you followed by a "yo' momma" insult haha. thanks for clearing up my hypothesis of you being a total fucktard. even though i do not believe in a hell, you do, have fun there. maybe i will see you there. or maybe we wont and you can threaten me through the internet again and insult my mother hahaahaha. fucking hell kid, grow the fuck up.
@theUKatheist Know what? One of these days, you're going to get cocky with someone and they're going to beat you into the middle of next week. Sorry, I won't have a chance top see that. There is nothing I would like more to see than an idiot like yourself get beat into a bloody pulp. Fuck off ass clown
@miket1m ooo another brilliant come back. look moron, i dont get cocky with people, you got cocky first and just because you have the IQ of a rat and fail to make any good argument with anything you say you give out threats, you are a fucking idiot!
"There is nothing I would like more to see than an idiot like yourself get beat into a bloody pulp"
very Christian of you , haha. what a loser!
PS you wish violence on a stranger because of your own incapability to debate, YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON!
@miket1m funny how you removed your comments that show that you are. if you are not then you have been arguing for someone else's idiotic beliefs. which again makes you a FUCKING MORON!
either way you are one dumb shit. so please dont bother replying., its like speaking to a 9 year old child. well atleast the child may be a bit smarter than you.
@sonykroket To me your opinion is bullshit. Who do you think you are? You're the fucking idiot walking around saying there is no God. You whole idiotic position is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility and is 100% intellectually indefensible. So you are the fucktard here along with your fucktard idiotic comrades. Atheist? You give atheist a bad name moron. Get some original material will you please
@miket1m which god? you didn't clarify which one, there are 2800+ gods cataloged, since i know none to be proven, i don't know which one are claiming that about, but please come fourth support your claim and clarify us (just remember supporting claims require real evidence or logic)
He has the personality of a great preacher. I'm glad he wised up, and isn't one, but like all the speakers I wish he spent more time with the why instead on the what.
My best friend. Is christian. I'd give my life for him. He's a good person. He was real. My other friend, our little trio, the third person, wasn't real. When I became atheist, he was gone. He was so immediate, in leaving. He didn't care about me. I realized that. And when I did, I was like, "F*** you. I spent fun times with you, and one little change, changes it all. How can you live with yourself."
I'm an Atheist and at first i thought that last video about Horus and Jesus was awesome, and watched the whole thing thinking it was even better. But then my gf who's into egyption mythology told me to fact-check it. It is Saturated with flagrant misrepresentations and outright lies. It is essentially muslim propaganda against christians, as you will see in the description. Also all comments have to be approved for it. Typical.
@Roenazarrek I've actually looked into this myself even before this video. While there are obvious similarities between Jesus and other mythological figures the Horus comparison is inflated to say the least. That being said I loved Dr. Morgans speech.
@Roenazarrek actually those parallels are true. not directly about horus in one text but in many different texts and mergers between the egyptian deities. for instance youll find that horus and ra merged to be known and re horakhty (horus of the two horizons) nd the trinity of horus. sun at rising position, ra - sun at midday and Osiris sun at settingg (dying) position.
@TikiTubeable See, you go it all wrong. It's not a worship of science, but a RESPECT for science. So, what, you're going to just erase what you learned in the third grade about the Scientific Method because "it has a cult attached to it"?
You only want a new title because the religious want to burn athesists at the stake or "fix" them.
The problem is they can't see past what they were raised or blinded with.
Sad when we can't be open-minded and check why we believe what we do...
Think I need to go find a new name for my lack of belief then, fucking organized atheism....what a joke you idiots make us ALL look like. please stop.
@TikiTubeable Anyone can gather and talk about a subject, doesn't mean are a cult. You use cult in a very loose way, it doesn't just mean a group of people; cults usual have a leader, or a fringe group. Atheism does not revolve around one person and it does not branch off another group of Athiesm. I am glad to see Atheists, talking in the open, and challenging beliefs with no fear.
What a shame, and no atheism may not revolve around one person (right now) but it does tend to revolve around one chain of thought, and a general worship of science.
I need to go find a new name for myself, atheist is a shameful title to hold right now. Fucking cult nut jobs. I knew this would fucking happen.
@TikiTubeable Atheism is not a chain of thoughts! Atheism is not a political or a moral set of beliefs, it's a disbelief in god. And which every title floats your boat, friend.
listen to this i think back to youth conferences i had gone to in my church, i remember the speakers were funny connective and to a degree knowledgeable. but even then it was hollow and sugar coated dren and they were to scared to say things outright(if you dont want kids to do stupid things SAY SO dang dont beat around the bush)
I really liked his talk non-offensive (or it seemed so 2 me), intelligent funny informative supportive and accepting. most importantly more facts than personal stories
However, ONLY watch that 1st section of the 1st film -- the one pertaining to ancient religion -- as the ENTIRE rest of the original film and the entireties of its two sequels are nothing but 9/11 "Truther" nonsense, right-wing, Libertarian conspiracy theories about the Fed, and then some other insane, futuristic nonsense that I couldn't possibly classify, so you can (and should) safely ignore and stay clear of the other two sections and the other two films.
Also, guys, that last video he showed was a clip from the first part (out of 3) of the original "Zeitgeist" documentary (again, out of 3 total). I HIGHLY recommend that you watch it (it's only 15 mins or so long) because it's even _more_ mind-blowing than the short clip he showed!
It's absolutely FASCINATING, and WELL WORTH the watch and ur time! Every second of it. It's honestly the first time I've ever been put on the "edge of my seat" by a historical documentary! Remember: this is PBS NOVA, not just the fuckin' History Channel, so your getting a "better than even the BBC" quality level doc here. ;~D
...archaeology, but they only treat the Bible just as yet another "holy" book...they don't see it as FACT, but rather they use it in a similar manner as to how a Greek archaeologist would use Homer's "Iliad" to help him uncover the true history of the Trojan War. I must say, tho, that seeing it done to OUR dominant religion is rather different than seeing it done to another, DEAD religion. VERY eye-opening to say the least! I can honestly never look at (ancient) religion in the sam
Lol, the Jews and Muslims clearly AREN'T right, dude, so you even mention 'em? ;~)
Now, to everybody else: if you haven't watched "The Bible's Buried Secrets" (the 2-hour long PBS NOVA program the Doc was talking about), omg, stop watching this and go watch that FIRST. You can even find it here on YouTube! But basically, it's a bunch of Jewish and Christian (and now probably agnostic, lol) archaeologists analyzing the history of the old testament, both using the Bible AND archaeol
this was awesome, i saw the run time and that i'd never heard of the guy and didn't think i'd make it through it. very very good stuff. what a cool dude.
I want a source for those claims made by the final video. The Horus and Jesus connection. The video they linked to had a source link in the description, but it didn’t work. I’ll continue to read up on Horus to see what I can find.
Shit, I don't hate God cause I can't fucking hate something that doesn't even exist; as a matter fact, I don't even hate those people who invented God, but do you know what I hate though? I hate in the way those people are manipulating others and I hate in the way they want to keep on going with mind games on others and I hate also the way they want to keep playing with other ignorant people's minds. Yes I hate that a lot!!!
I wish I had been able to go to this, but I live in OKC and didn't want to make the long drive to and from Tulsa. I'm so glad that the lectures were recorded.
Dr Morgan is a great orator. I am ignorant when it comes to the ins and outs of American religions. But after a quick Wiki search on Oral Roberts and ORU I was able to understand why he is such an important speaker for a non believing Oklahoman to hear speak (no offence if I got Oky peoples 'group name' wrong)
@perfectshot77 Well you could always chose to believe in god despite not having a reason to. But then again without any evidence to make you believe, you would have to willingly lie to yourself until "god revealed himself to you", but then again, lieing is a sin so I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't :/
@berner well they have a reason, it's described in the books if you cared to read them, the problem is lacking strong evidence, but that's what faith is about. So no they are not lying to themselves, show some basic understanding of the debate, and try to resist mocking religion, you might end up with reasonable conclusions that are more likely to get through to them as opposed to confusion them and yourself.
@berner then I wonder why you didn't find it useful I cared to correct your perceived and flawed public 'observation'. It's ok if you haven't read the books, no need to take offense for your lack of knowledge resulting from that choice. instead you should appreciate my advice and you won't end up making such incorrect 'observations' again.
@architect333 Well as long as you don't have any children, we'll both be okay. You're right, I haven't read the books, I had them read to me in public school while I was growing up. I'm sorry you found my comment to be threatening, I'll make sure from now not to think of or talk about religion because as long as it keeps getting represented by people like you who spit subtle venom at me for not agreeing with it, I have reason not to go looking for god and only helps me to appreciate rationality.
@berner I told you no need to be offended, I didn't spit anything at you besides the obvious, correcting you and offering some advice, quit acting like a religious nut. "well as long as i don't have children" lol your acting irrationally,immaturely or have serious self esteem issues. no need to be sorry about anything, again your perception is incorrect thinking i was threatened by your comment. It's the other way around, nothing wrong with disagreeing, it's called public discourse. cheer up.
@architect333 Nah actually you're being passive aggressive. You made an assumption that because my point of view isn't in agreeance with religion that I don't know anything about religion, as if somehow by reading any religious text I would be a believer and you chose to attack it by being arrogant, and in most cases people don't attack something unless they feel threatened by it. Anyways, I've got better things to do with my time. You can have the last word if you want, go nuts.
@berner I made it clear for you to show the basic understanding of faith compared to lying. this we are not in disagreement, your simply wrong for your newly passive 'observation' as opposed to aggressive opinion. and I gave reason for why this is, which is your focus on mocking religion not necessarily your lack of knowledge. Your response was clearing aggressive and nothing to do with the topic. nice to see your being passive about it now, that's compromising in dialogue, no need for excuses.
@podffff check the arguments for creation, dr.craig outlines them in his book, all I've seen are presumptions as to why creation is unlikely. of course that's all we can do, giving our ignorance of the cosmos and how it is directly tied to the existence of life or consciousness to understand it. It takes our brightest minds to poke at this complexity, this suggest some evidence of possible intelligence, we can be arrogant with new interpretations for this but that would be a religious endeavor.
@architect333 i don't like the reasonning of Craig, it's like saying "yeah god surely did it over the years" because he doesn't know. I think the need to slip god into everything like he does is dangerous in the way that he forces the things he believes in the natural courses of action. Only people who are insecure about their religion would do that, and he's doing a disservice to people who want to understand of evolution. The fact that he's only peer reviewed in theology says it all.
@perfectshot77 You didn't exist before you were conceived. Hmm, no mention of that. If you die and there's something more, life isn't as valuable because, like you said, there's something MORE and please explain the concept of the afterlife. What comes after life? It can't be life and you can't be living because you've just passed it. My life being finite is what make my life priceless because I know I have it and will lose it as far as I know, have one of them.
@perfectshot77 The existence of hell, would be much worse than just ending. When you really think about it, isn't even an eternity in heaven, WORSE than just coming to an end?
Didn't matter? Didn't matter?! You affected countless others- some for the worse, hopefully many more for the better. Children, friends, etc... You touch so many lives both directly and indirectly- that's hardly not mattering! That's not a waste of time. The helping of others IS a worthy pursuit, and is far, far, far from sad or a waste.
Showing that clip of Zeitgeist was a really bad ending... There's been quite a few people that researched the Horus/Jesus link claimed and found it to be false.
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 11 hours ago
Anyone else getting the Mormon adverts before these videos?
zeldaofarel 2 weeks ago in playlist Oklahoma Freethought Convention 2011
haha this guy is too good. old man got the comedy spirit instead of the holy ghost.
halflifeproductionz 4 weeks ago
Why the fuck did he end this with zeitgeist?
sooleyiscool 2 months ago in playlist Videos
@sooleyiscool Why not end with Zeitgeist? Its correct.
dewpoint88 4 weeks ago
This guy is awesome! Thanks for the upload.
onegodlessbitch 3 months ago
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A free thought convention for freethinkers, atheists, naturalists? Who was it that picked the slogan, "I Think Therefore I Am". Would it not be more appropriate to use something like, "Neurological Processes Occur Therefore I Am Not". ?????
pompousprick 4 months ago
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pompousprick 4 months ago
I like the fact that this is at a All Souls Unitarian Church. A church? I mean what is next, this is like having an overeaters anoinmous meeting at "Golden Coral" or an AA meeting at at bar. I mean could this group not afford to rent a community building or a college campus? That is just wild to me. Maybe next the Muslim community will open a a mosque for your next meeting, just ask them, see what they say...........lol
ockersteve 4 months ago
@ockersteve Had you done a bit of homework, you'd realize that many atheists attend Unitarian services for the community and interaction, and because most Unitarian churches promote principles for living instead of dogma and doctrine. In Unitarian churches, the atheist is welcome, as are people from all walks of life. Whether or not you agree with the idea, this organization welcomed more than 300 atheist attendees and accommodated the event with courtesy and goodwill. My thanks to them.
TheThinkingAtheist 4 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist Dear Thinking Athiest, I had no idea about the Unitarian Church, and what it means. It was actually interesting reading on it. It just seemed funny to me seeing an Athiest Group at a Church, but when i read about unitarians, it made sense. No, I am not Athiest, but I do respect peoples beliefs. Thank you for informing me about the Unitarian Church.
ockersteve 3 weeks ago
"[the free thought convention] is at a [sic] All Souls Unitarian Church. This is like having an overeaters anoinmous [sic] meeting at "Golden Coral [sic]" or an AA meeting at at bar." - ockersteve
Your analogies of atheists in a church to overeaters and alcoholics recovery members at a Golden Corral and bar respectively are tragically flawed as we are not a group of people dependent upon religion. We would be the group that simply promotes responsible eating drinking in such an analogy.
willpoire 4 months ago
In essence, a church is nothing more than any other structure - composed of a skeleton, bricks, wood, and mortar resting upon a foundation. Whatever we decide to call this building is completely arbitrary and irrelevant to the activities enjoyed on the inside (such as we observed with FreeOK). When Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet in 2006, neither the mass, composition, orbit, satellites, rotation, et al., changed as a result.
willpoire 4 months ago
In fact, being in a Unitarian church doesn't make one a Unitarian anymore than being in a garage makes one a car. I can understand completely the desire to steer away from any church, but let's try to keep an open mind and recognize that it's probably the church sermon you're really weirded out about and not necessarily the secular activities going on before/after hours and there's a glaring difference between the two. This was a completely secular event inside a building called a church.
willpoire 4 months ago
In the words of Shakespeare, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Those words ring true today. If your only grievance with the location is the name it is given, then you are working from flawed logic, my friend. That is to suggest you would refuse to eat a delicious and potable meal because someone called it "crap" when you would ingest ethylene glycol if it was called "spaghetti".
willpoire 4 months ago
The essence of what an object is exists independent of a mind to perceive and consequently name it and all you're effectively disputing is the name of the building, not the building itself.
"could this group not afford to rent a community building or a college campus?" - ockersteve
We almost had a college auditorium secured, but when it fell through our options were sorely limited. Have you ever tried securing a large venue for an atheist group?
willpoire 4 months ago
"Maybe next the Muslim community will open a a [sic] mosque for your next meeting, just ask them, see what they say" - ockersteve
If invited, we would. Alas, Muslims aren't generally as accepting as Unitarians and - if you did your homework as Seth suggested - you would realize that many Unitarians are very atheist friendly.
For the record, next year's FreeOK will be held at a convention center. You're more than welcome to come hang out.
willpoire 4 months ago
@willpoire Thank you for the invite. I am not Athiest, but most people that know me are suprised that I have in the past stuck up for them. You see I had a great uncle that him and his wife were devout Athiest, and supported Athiest groups, but they always respected me, and the rest of the family that was Christian. It was not a big deal, there was respect, it was family, and that is how it should be.
ockersteve 3 weeks ago
I would love to go to the Freethought convention
Altosaxaphonist 4 months ago
I got a bible ad while watching this.
Wow, really?
TheRealKittyboo 4 months ago
seeking the truth and a host of other things and would recommend others looking into it as well.
philosophicalreason 4 months ago
this series is fantastic well coming from TheThinkingAtheist would not expect it not to be,i however have a confession in truth i am a "fence sitter"in other words agnostic and not proud to admit that,though we can dismiss the bible and other holy books,and probably due to lack of intelligence of knowing all i am not able to dismiss that there isn't a "God or higher intelligence"which is a reason i started to study philosophy. Philosophy is not all about religion in fact a lot has to do with
philosophicalreason 4 months ago
how's this for free-thought? /watch?v=2zi8rewamVI
desirefirst 4 months ago
Anyone know where I can find that list from the General?
KajVO 4 months ago
mike11m=superstitious pussy
sonykroket 5 months ago
Haha, Morgan could be Carlins uncle or something
I love his comedy take on reli-nonsense
sonykroket 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
this makes me a little upset, i don't know whether it's from anger or sadness. perhaps both.
lonedesertfox 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m You make him sound so appealing. The divine peeper.
TheThinkingAtheist 5 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist - I was thinking Big Brother
pandapalace11 5 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist XD! That's so true!
MetalxXxMayhem 5 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist If I could I would like that comment :)
NykolaiMcherron 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m why would anyone want that?
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist
Lol, What kind of question is that? You don't have a choice. God is there and He sees all that you do and think, good and evil. The crazy thing is, God loves you even at your worse. He is there for you. If you seek Him, you will find Him. This is the great promise
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. ~ Matthew 7:7-8
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m "You don't have a choice."
true, because no one is watching us.
" God loves you even at your worse."
so why does he send people to hell for the simple act of not believing, why does he send babies to hell for nbot being christened, why does he torture many nice innocent people for eternity for nothing other than a disbelief? that is NOT love, you cant force love, your god is a cunt!
"Ask and it will be given to you;"
even you know this is total crap.
please stop with the bullshit.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Babies don't go to hell whether they are christened or not. Baby baptism is not Biblical. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling the Jews what they need to do in order to be saved. "Repent" How can a baby repent?
You stop with the bullshit moron.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m
why dont you just think about what your saying instead of instantly thinking of excuses. how can a dying /dead baby repent and be baptised? BABIES CANT REPENT! that verse is refering to any adults that have not been baptised yet!.
""Repent" How can a baby repent?"
EXACTLY MY POINT. according to your god ,they go to hell!
also what about the BILLIONS of good , hard working non believers or believers of another religion?
they go to hell too? your god is a cunt!
you believe this shit?
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Exactly, babies can't repent so there is no such thing as baby baptism. The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin. So there is no such thing as original sin or baby baptism. So God doesn't send babies to hell when they die unbaptized. The are angels and they have no sin.
Your comment about God has ended any further debates between you and I savage.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m " The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin"
well that is a lie. how can someone else take away a sin. if i commit a crime and someone else goes to jail for me that is not taking away the immoral act from me is it? the whole concept is idiotic.
"So God doesn't send babies to hell when they die unbaptized"
you do not know this, he did not tell you.
"Your comment about God has ended any further debates between you and I savage."
dont like the truth? coward.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Well thats a lie? Do you read what is posted and think about or do you just make up your own meaning as to what is said in the post? Whats wrong with you? If you commit a crime, you child is not responsible for that crime. Thats all I said.
God did tell me and everyone through the Bible moron.
You don't even understand what you are talking about, thats what I believe. You make atheist look bad.
miket1m 5 months ago
@theUKatheist You make atheist look bad and I would say thats pretty hard to do.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m "You don't even understand what you are talking about, thats what I believe. You make atheist look bad."
loo, its you who doesnt understand anything here. you dont even know what you said or i said , your comment makes little sense.
"If you commit a crime, you child is not responsible for that crime. "
thats my point! ffs are you retarded or something. this is what God has done with us. ADAM committed the sin yet WE are responsible. why dont you understand the comparison dumbass!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@miket1m continued - "The Bible also states that no man is responsible for his fathers sin"
so why are we responsible for the sin of Adam !!?!??!!??
you are going around in circles, its like you have a mental issue or something.
also ""Well thats a lie?"
well can you prive anything you have said? can you prove to me that hell exists, or that babies dont go there or that heaven exists anything? the answer is no. you are being dishonest, if you or no one else can prove it, why say it!?!?!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist
Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. ~ Romans 5:18 Just as we were all condemned by act of Adam, we are all saved by the act of Jesus dying on the cross.
Can you prove that don't exist? That God doesn't exist? No so shut the hell up.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m "Can you prove that don't exist? That God doesn't exist? No so shut the hell up." that just proves you are a fucking retard right there. YOU CANT DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF ANYTHING!!! its a logical fallacy you ass hole. every bit of proof given can be rationalized.
example
prove to me that an invisible alien named Steve doesnt live on Jupiter. you cant disprove it!
the burden of proof is on the person/people CLAIMING THE EXISTENCE!
so now ass hole, you have to prove God DOES exist!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@miket1m continued
instead of being such a dick and then trying to shift the burden of proof to me,you should now prove god exists, like i said disproving existence is nonsensical, trying to put that on me shows your pussy way out and shows you know absolutely nothing on the subject!
Also dont quote bible verses it makes you look like a moron. i could easily quote verses that you can not explain and makes the bible look like a vile piece od shit.
you OBVIOUSLY haven't watched all these videos!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
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@theUKatheist
How am I being a dick? I'm simply asking you to validate your position. Atheism is an intellectual decision. I would like to know why you have decided not to believe in God. You guys whine, "we don't see any proof" Not good enough. Because you don't see any proof doesn't mean God does not exist. In order for you to say there is no God, you would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the entire universe? Look svage, you want proof ok.
miket1m 5 months ago
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@theUKatheist
Ok savage, here is proof. I need to ask you a question. Do you think you could just answer the question without saying something like, "This doesn't have anything to do with..." or something similarly stupid?
If you don't answer the question I am just going to assume you don't know the answer, ok? Give it the ole savage try!
miket1m 5 months ago
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@theUKatheist
Are there such things as logical absolutes? For example... 'A' cannot be both 'A' and not 'A' at the same, time.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m no i mentioned that earlier.
there is no such thing as absolutes. that is why its impossible to disprove anything existing, hence why the burden of proof is on the person claiming the existence.
i say im not absolutely positive a god does not exist, BUT the evidence and logic behind it is non existent therefore there is absolutely no reason to believe a god exists. so to me its around 99.99% chance that a god is not real.
instead of throwing insults , ask questions. LEARN SOMETHING!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist
To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. It s either true or false. If its true, then its false...which is logically contradiction which proves my premise to begin with. So, it can only be false and there are such things as logical absolutes.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m no, as far as we know there are no absolutes, the answer its self is not absolute because we do not know! we do not have the knowledge yet to say if there are absolutes or not. i say there are no absolutes because of this very reason.
okay answer this
is god so powerful he can create a rock even he couldn't lift?
answers.
no - he is not all powerful if he cant create that rock.
yes - he is not all powerful if he cant lift that rock.
therefore a god cannot exist.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist
Once you are introduced to an idea, you can't stay neutral about it. You invariably make a judgment about an idea once it has been introduced to you. You can brush it off as ridiculous, ponder its possibility, accept it, reject it, or do something in between. But you can't return to a lack of belief position, if lack of belief is defined as a non-intellectual commitment or non-action concerning belief.
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m
you quoted "lack of belief" not me.
i was introduced to the idea of god at a young age, i believed it, later on i read the bible investigated the source of the bible, looked into other religion, used my logic and intelligence to determine that a god was not likely, therefore i REJECTED IT. i have had religious people constantly throwing their "proof and evidence" at me, i research this evidence and it turns out to be false or illogical, so i still REJECT the idea of a gods existence.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@miket1m "Ok savage,"
call me savage again and you will be blocked, you have been warned. ask the question, i will answer it however i see fit. you cannot put boundries on how i want to answer a question. if you are not willing to listen to the answer then why ask it?
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist I'm blocking you savage!
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m "Atheism is an intellectual decision"
no it is not! you can be the dumbest person on the planet and still reject the claim of a god! you are talking nonsense , again!
"You guys whine, "we don't see any proof" Not good enough" so not having any proof is not good enough to disbelieve it? are you being f*cking serious?
"In order for you to say there is no God"
WE DONT, absolute certainty is illogical! we say there is no reason to believe, also disbelief IS NOT A CHOICE!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Sure you do idiot. You say there is no such thing as God. I believe there is no God. What the hell is the difference you imbecile? I'm getting very aggravated with you. You have to be a young kid because your statements are child like
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m
no they are not, you are infuriating, you have no clue about burden of proof, you spew out logical fallacies, you never bother RESEARCHING before you spew out total nonsense and insults.
"What the hell is the difference you imbecile?
you STILL dont even understand burden of proof when i have explained it and you have the fucking internet to check it out. why be so ignorant? why not just look it up? do you even try to understand anything?
LOOK UP "the burden of proof" FUCKTARD!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m haha, big man speaks through the internet. grow up. you threaten people online you fucking retard. oh if you were infront of my i would turn into a giant and stamp on you while while superman fetches me a coke and batman gives me thumbs up.. talking bollocks through the net is not hard little boy.
also everything you said is AGAINST YOUR RELIGION! .,. man you are fucking retarded. not only do you talk like a child through the net but you defy your own religion. YOUR A FUCKING MORON!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m wow, brilliant comeback! a repeat of what i said to you followed by a "yo' momma" insult haha. thanks for clearing up my hypothesis of you being a total fucktard. even though i do not believe in a hell, you do, have fun there. maybe i will see you there. or maybe we wont and you can threaten me through the internet again and insult my mother hahaahaha. fucking hell kid, grow the fuck up.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Know what? One of these days, you're going to get cocky with someone and they're going to beat you into the middle of next week. Sorry, I won't have a chance top see that. There is nothing I would like more to see than an idiot like yourself get beat into a bloody pulp. Fuck off ass clown
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m ooo another brilliant come back. look moron, i dont get cocky with people, you got cocky first and just because you have the IQ of a rat and fail to make any good argument with anything you say you give out threats, you are a fucking idiot!
"There is nothing I would like more to see than an idiot like yourself get beat into a bloody pulp"
very Christian of you , haha. what a loser!
PS you wish violence on a stranger because of your own incapability to debate, YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON!
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist Again idiot, I never said I was a Christian did I?
miket1m 5 months ago
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@miket1m funny how you removed your comments that show that you are. if you are not then you have been arguing for someone else's idiotic beliefs. which again makes you a FUCKING MORON!
either way you are one dumb shit. so please dont bother replying., its like speaking to a 9 year old child. well atleast the child may be a bit smarter than you.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@miket1m
So what other relitrailer do you belong to them? The mecca-tribe?
To me it's all bullshit but just because you don't happen to be a christtard doesn't mean your beliefs are any less stupid
sonykroket 5 months ago
@sonykroket To me your opinion is bullshit. Who do you think you are? You're the fucking idiot walking around saying there is no God. You whole idiotic position is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility and is 100% intellectually indefensible. So you are the fucktard here along with your fucktard idiotic comrades. Atheist? You give atheist a bad name moron. Get some original material will you please
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m
You fail at your first ass-umption. We don't say there is no god, we just don;t believe in any because of a lack of evidence.
You fuckin uninformed reli-dipshit
sonykroket 5 months ago
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miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m
Is he watching while my grandma is having a shower?...he's a pervert !
jakatom 5 months ago
@jakatom He heard the disrespect you have for Him
miket1m 5 months ago
@miket1m so is the flying spaggetti monster go belive in him
suReEgg 5 months ago
@miket1m which god? you didn't clarify which one, there are 2800+ gods cataloged, since i know none to be proven, i don't know which one are claiming that about, but please come fourth support your claim and clarify us (just remember supporting claims require real evidence or logic)
Ultra4 5 months ago
@miket1m Your comment is...HILARIOUS! Thankyou.
KOOKY1PANDORA 5 months ago
@miket1m Would you mind giving a brief explanation to how that telepathic mind reading trick works?
christo930 5 months ago
Around 17:48, you can hear someone playing Words With Friends.
iz2sicc 5 months ago
re: biblical contradictions: The Skeptic's Annotated Bible catalogues them very nicely.
StrikaAmaru 5 months ago
"i was ambushed by nova. sonofabitch!!!" lol....
robthefirefly 5 months ago in playlist More videos from TheThinkingAtheist
Thanks for upload!!! Great stuff :)
lockwyn 5 months ago
This guy is great! But yeh, shame about the Zeitshite. I can't believe that shit either!
saintlybastard 6 months ago in playlist Oklahoma Freethought Convention 2011
Zeitgeist is my ALL TIME favorite documentary! Glad to see it here.
dudeedud7 6 months ago
He has the personality of a great preacher. I'm glad he wised up, and isn't one, but like all the speakers I wish he spent more time with the why instead on the what.
shabido1 6 months ago
Wait? the end was from Zeitgeist?? I loved the entire speech but inserting a part from Zeitgeist was silly
yuriythebest 6 months ago
@TikiTubeAble wow you are some dumb twat.
Naxer84 6 months ago
lol this guy is awesome
HeadShot319 6 months ago
My best friend. Is christian. I'd give my life for him. He's a good person. He was real. My other friend, our little trio, the third person, wasn't real. When I became atheist, he was gone. He was so immediate, in leaving. He didn't care about me. I realized that. And when I did, I was like, "F*** you. I spent fun times with you, and one little change, changes it all. How can you live with yourself."
maxitae 6 months ago
i wish i could adopt this man as my grandpa ; )
ScamallDorcha 6 months ago
I'm an Atheist and at first i thought that last video about Horus and Jesus was awesome, and watched the whole thing thinking it was even better. But then my gf who's into egyption mythology told me to fact-check it. It is Saturated with flagrant misrepresentations and outright lies. It is essentially muslim propaganda against christians, as you will see in the description. Also all comments have to be approved for it. Typical.
Roenazarrek 6 months ago
@Roenazarrek I've actually looked into this myself even before this video. While there are obvious similarities between Jesus and other mythological figures the Horus comparison is inflated to say the least. That being said I loved Dr. Morgans speech.
MrJosepha82 6 months ago
@Roenazarrek actually those parallels are true. not directly about horus in one text but in many different texts and mergers between the egyptian deities. for instance youll find that horus and ra merged to be known and re horakhty (horus of the two horizons) nd the trinity of horus. sun at rising position, ra - sun at midday and Osiris sun at settingg (dying) position.
i'll give you more later
pistolpete667 6 months ago
@TikiTubeable See, you go it all wrong. It's not a worship of science, but a RESPECT for science. So, what, you're going to just erase what you learned in the third grade about the Scientific Method because "it has a cult attached to it"?
You only want a new title because the religious want to burn athesists at the stake or "fix" them.
The problem is they can't see past what they were raised or blinded with.
Sad when we can't be open-minded and check why we believe what we do...
MindOfGenius 6 months ago
lol what is atheism a fucking cult now?
Think I need to go find a new name for my lack of belief then, fucking organized atheism....what a joke you idiots make us ALL look like. please stop.
TikiTubeable 6 months ago
@TikiTubeable Anyone can gather and talk about a subject, doesn't mean are a cult. You use cult in a very loose way, it doesn't just mean a group of people; cults usual have a leader, or a fringe group. Atheism does not revolve around one person and it does not branch off another group of Athiesm. I am glad to see Atheists, talking in the open, and challenging beliefs with no fear.
lovesXtoXspoog 6 months ago
@lovesXtoXspoog So it's a cult, right got it.
What a shame, and no atheism may not revolve around one person (right now) but it does tend to revolve around one chain of thought, and a general worship of science.
I need to go find a new name for myself, atheist is a shameful title to hold right now. Fucking cult nut jobs. I knew this would fucking happen.
TikiTubeable 6 months ago
@TikiTubeable Atheism is not a chain of thoughts! Atheism is not a political or a moral set of beliefs, it's a disbelief in god. And which every title floats your boat, friend.
lovesXtoXspoog 6 months ago
@lovesXtoXspoog
Atheism isn't a 'set of beliefs'.
If that is how you define it, then it fits perfectly into the description of a religion. Like Buddhist, which doesn't worship a God of any sort also.
LOL. Cult.
Think I'll go with "person that simply doesn't follow any religion" from now on haha.
TikiTubeable 6 months ago
@TikiTubeable Thank you. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't know that not having a religion is actually having a religion.
lovesXtoXspoog 6 months ago
@lovesXtoXspoog Yea like being bald is a haristyle
Roenazarrek 6 months ago
listen to this i think back to youth conferences i had gone to in my church, i remember the speakers were funny connective and to a degree knowledgeable. but even then it was hollow and sugar coated dren and they were to scared to say things outright(if you dont want kids to do stupid things SAY SO dang dont beat around the bush)
I really liked his talk non-offensive (or it seemed so 2 me), intelligent funny informative supportive and accepting. most importantly more facts than personal stories
iAMtekey 6 months ago
Theres an add for a christian dating website next to this video
mullacABC 6 months ago
My sentiments, exactly!
tomwest3 6 months ago
when i was a child ,i thought the soul ,was like a big liver ,with a black mark on it :(
badslabber 6 months ago
Thanks for spreading the Logic!
DasHinchen 6 months ago
@macgeek2004 (2/2)
However, ONLY watch that 1st section of the 1st film -- the one pertaining to ancient religion -- as the ENTIRE rest of the original film and the entireties of its two sequels are nothing but 9/11 "Truther" nonsense, right-wing, Libertarian conspiracy theories about the Fed, and then some other insane, futuristic nonsense that I couldn't possibly classify, so you can (and should) safely ignore and stay clear of the other two sections and the other two films.
macgeek2004 6 months ago
Also, guys, that last video he showed was a clip from the first part (out of 3) of the original "Zeitgeist" documentary (again, out of 3 total). I HIGHLY recommend that you watch it (it's only 15 mins or so long) because it's even _more_ mind-blowing than the short clip he showed!
macgeek2004 6 months ago
@eat666shit
...same way ever again!
It's absolutely FASCINATING, and WELL WORTH the watch and ur time! Every second of it. It's honestly the first time I've ever been put on the "edge of my seat" by a historical documentary! Remember: this is PBS NOVA, not just the fuckin' History Channel, so your getting a "better than even the BBC" quality level doc here. ;~D
macgeek2004 6 months ago
@eat666shit
...archaeology, but they only treat the Bible just as yet another "holy" book...they don't see it as FACT, but rather they use it in a similar manner as to how a Greek archaeologist would use Homer's "Iliad" to help him uncover the true history of the Trojan War. I must say, tho, that seeing it done to OUR dominant religion is rather different than seeing it done to another, DEAD religion. VERY eye-opening to say the least! I can honestly never look at (ancient) religion in the sam
macgeek2004 6 months ago
@eat666shit
Lol, the Jews and Muslims clearly AREN'T right, dude, so you even mention 'em? ;~)
Now, to everybody else: if you haven't watched "The Bible's Buried Secrets" (the 2-hour long PBS NOVA program the Doc was talking about), omg, stop watching this and go watch that FIRST. You can even find it here on YouTube! But basically, it's a bunch of Jewish and Christian (and now probably agnostic, lol) archaeologists analyzing the history of the old testament, both using the Bible AND archaeol
macgeek2004 6 months ago
What a great speaker. Highly illuminating and entertaining.
singring76 6 months ago
this was awesome, i saw the run time and that i'd never heard of the guy and didn't think i'd make it through it. very very good stuff. what a cool dude.
phead80 6 months ago
The loneliness of the long distance runner *g*
Tokoroegao 6 months ago
I'm convinced they were smoking some good shit!
GoogleVideoMan 6 months ago
what comedian is that in the video, he is brilliant.
whatdoyano 6 months ago
Verifiable evidence, all that the poor christians need is some verifiable evidence.
wwickeddogg 6 months ago
@lautaa33
Have fun rotting in the ground, dumbass! Seriously, have you ever opened up a book OTHER than the bible??? You should try it...lol!
macgeek2004 6 months ago
@perfectshot77 Sorry, my imagination isn't THAT good. An eternity of anything would indubitably become boring.
johnedwards1968 6 months ago
@johnedwards1968 I could use a few thousand years to visit some nearby exoplanets.
MrAdvancedAtheist 6 months ago
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Whatever4690 6 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist This is the very first clip from the convention ?
eminescinescu 6 months ago
I really liked this guy's talk.
RhondaH 6 months ago
I want a source for those claims made by the final video. The Horus and Jesus connection. The video they linked to had a source link in the description, but it didn’t work. I’ll continue to read up on Horus to see what I can find.
DallasMavericksGuy 6 months ago
@DallasMavericksGuy im on it homie
pistolpete667 6 months ago
@pistolpete667 I feel like I’m slowly getting smarter.
DallasMavericksGuy 6 months ago
@DallasMavericksGuy If pistolpete gives you the same information as me, 10 minutes of searching the web will plenty debunk the virgin birth bit
whodareswhb 6 months ago
@whodareswhb yeah
DallasMavericksGuy 6 months ago
The mountain looks like a volcano. Good not to be atop it.
n3rdm4n 6 months ago
Shit, I don't hate God cause I can't fucking hate something that doesn't even exist; as a matter fact, I don't even hate those people who invented God, but do you know what I hate though? I hate in the way those people are manipulating others and I hate in the way they want to keep on going with mind games on others and I hate also the way they want to keep playing with other ignorant people's minds. Yes I hate that a lot!!!
WICKEDMAN9MM 6 months ago
Thanks god, I'm an Atheist...
WICKEDMAN9MM 6 months ago
@WICKEDMAN9MM halleluiah
xyoop 6 months ago
@xyoop Ramen!!!
WICKEDMAN9MM 6 months ago
Glad you explained the 5 gallon can.
I thought it had to be robot fuel for your speakers.
Bax7a 6 months ago
i love how towards the end he turns hardcore language and all
mafiouso 6 months ago
I cannot watch this guy. He makes me stomach churn. Second try 17:23.
SissingPyd 6 months ago
I wish I had been able to go to this, but I live in OKC and didn't want to make the long drive to and from Tulsa. I'm so glad that the lectures were recorded.
Ceenymeeny 6 months ago
Dr Morgan is a great orator. I am ignorant when it comes to the ins and outs of American religions. But after a quick Wiki search on Oral Roberts and ORU I was able to understand why he is such an important speaker for a non believing Oklahoman to hear speak (no offence if I got Oky peoples 'group name' wrong)
Thanks for the sharp presentations TTA!
O2BSoLucky 6 months ago
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O2BSoLucky 6 months ago
@17:53 someone was playing Words With Friends.
logsdonj 6 months ago
@perfectshot77 Well you could always chose to believe in god despite not having a reason to. But then again without any evidence to make you believe, you would have to willingly lie to yourself until "god revealed himself to you", but then again, lieing is a sin so I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't :/
berner 6 months ago
@berner well they have a reason, it's described in the books if you cared to read them, the problem is lacking strong evidence, but that's what faith is about. So no they are not lying to themselves, show some basic understanding of the debate, and try to resist mocking religion, you might end up with reasonable conclusions that are more likely to get through to them as opposed to confusion them and yourself.
architect333 6 months ago
@architect333 How about not putting words in my mouth because I'm making an observation? That might be a good start, if you cared to.
berner 6 months ago
@berner then I wonder why you didn't find it useful I cared to correct your perceived and flawed public 'observation'. It's ok if you haven't read the books, no need to take offense for your lack of knowledge resulting from that choice. instead you should appreciate my advice and you won't end up making such incorrect 'observations' again.
architect333 6 months ago
@architect333 Well as long as you don't have any children, we'll both be okay. You're right, I haven't read the books, I had them read to me in public school while I was growing up. I'm sorry you found my comment to be threatening, I'll make sure from now not to think of or talk about religion because as long as it keeps getting represented by people like you who spit subtle venom at me for not agreeing with it, I have reason not to go looking for god and only helps me to appreciate rationality.
berner 6 months ago
@berner I told you no need to be offended, I didn't spit anything at you besides the obvious, correcting you and offering some advice, quit acting like a religious nut. "well as long as i don't have children" lol your acting irrationally,immaturely or have serious self esteem issues. no need to be sorry about anything, again your perception is incorrect thinking i was threatened by your comment. It's the other way around, nothing wrong with disagreeing, it's called public discourse. cheer up.
architect333 6 months ago
@architect333 Nah actually you're being passive aggressive. You made an assumption that because my point of view isn't in agreeance with religion that I don't know anything about religion, as if somehow by reading any religious text I would be a believer and you chose to attack it by being arrogant, and in most cases people don't attack something unless they feel threatened by it. Anyways, I've got better things to do with my time. You can have the last word if you want, go nuts.
berner 6 months ago
@berner I made it clear for you to show the basic understanding of faith compared to lying. this we are not in disagreement, your simply wrong for your newly passive 'observation' as opposed to aggressive opinion. and I gave reason for why this is, which is your focus on mocking religion not necessarily your lack of knowledge. Your response was clearing aggressive and nothing to do with the topic. nice to see your being passive about it now, that's compromising in dialogue, no need for excuses.
architect333 6 months ago
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podffff 6 months ago
@podffff check the arguments for creation, dr.craig outlines them in his book, all I've seen are presumptions as to why creation is unlikely. of course that's all we can do, giving our ignorance of the cosmos and how it is directly tied to the existence of life or consciousness to understand it. It takes our brightest minds to poke at this complexity, this suggest some evidence of possible intelligence, we can be arrogant with new interpretations for this but that would be a religious endeavor.
architect333 6 months ago
@architect333 that was stupid of me. I thought you were talking about the bible. sorry.
podffff 6 months ago
@architect333 i don't like the reasonning of Craig, it's like saying "yeah god surely did it over the years" because he doesn't know. I think the need to slip god into everything like he does is dangerous in the way that he forces the things he believes in the natural courses of action. Only people who are insecure about their religion would do that, and he's doing a disservice to people who want to understand of evolution. The fact that he's only peer reviewed in theology says it all.
ThinkerResearcher 6 months ago
Good video. Keep up the good work TTA.
topvelvet 6 months ago
didn't show up in my sub box... x(
southpawOO7 6 months ago
@perfectshot77 You didn't exist before you were conceived. Hmm, no mention of that. If you die and there's something more, life isn't as valuable because, like you said, there's something MORE and please explain the concept of the afterlife. What comes after life? It can't be life and you can't be living because you've just passed it. My life being finite is what make my life priceless because I know I have it and will lose it as far as I know, have one of them.
HybridD91 6 months ago
@perfectshot77 The existence of hell, would be much worse than just ending. When you really think about it, isn't even an eternity in heaven, WORSE than just coming to an end?
johnedwards1968 6 months ago
@perfectshot77
Didn't matter? Didn't matter?! You affected countless others- some for the worse, hopefully many more for the better. Children, friends, etc... You touch so many lives both directly and indirectly- that's hardly not mattering! That's not a waste of time. The helping of others IS a worthy pursuit, and is far, far, far from sad or a waste.
Traodea 6 months ago
Bravo!
ezzstreet 6 months ago
Showing that clip of Zeitgeist was a really bad ending... There's been quite a few people that researched the Horus/Jesus link claimed and found it to be false.
whodareswhb 6 months ago
@whodareswhb would you like me to send you some info that could help?
pistolpete667 6 months ago
@pistolpete667 That could help what?
whodareswhb 6 months ago
@whodareswhb you say the horus/jesus connection is false. i happen to know otherwise. would you like to see the texts that prove it as fact?
pistolpete667 6 months ago
@pistolpete667 Sure, send me the link and I'll have a read
whodareswhb 6 months ago
"He's a little bit fucked up... But he's not crazy." LOL
EdgePitSwing 6 months ago