Galloway Crackers #16 (BBC Bias Israel Palestine Conflict)

[Graham6762]

The BBC never mentioned that Israel still occupies part of Lebanon. The Shebaa farms region, this is an integral part of the story.

[scandalasdog]

From an Irish-mans perspective after 30 years of seeing this kind of brutality in my own land, the Jewish state should honestly realize that land they steal from Palestine will HAVE to be paid for in blood. People didn't realize that the troubles in Northern Ireland included redress for injustices which date back from as far back as the 14th century ! Humans have long memories and short tempers, its such a shame that truly both sides will pay the price in tears for years to come.

[nowisyourtime]

The bbc has always been biased , this is nothing new... they were biased towards british in the northern irish troubles, they are biased towards Usa in everything and they are biased towards Israel.... unfortunately though Jews bankroll Usa and Usa bank roll westminister so the arse kissing will go on for the forseeable future. FREE PALESTINE, EIRE 32, TIOCFAIDH AR LA

[sarissa336]

This whole Zionist project of reclaiming the Holy Land after close to 2,000 years of the Jews being outside it is blind fanaticism. Can we seriously accept that an entire community of people have some sacred right to re-occupy a land after 20 centuries? Even to the detriment of ALL other people there. To the detriment of peace in the Middle East? To the detriment of world stability? This is utter, irrational madness. It's like deciding to re-furbish an entire house or street to suit one chair.

[Kurtlane]

Hanan Ashrawi gets back, "I don't see why they have to protect themselves on our land."

For the same reason Soviet Union and England alike had to protect themselves by going all the way to Berlin. Because you are murderous bastards.

[Kurtlane]

Hussein Ibish, an apologist for Hamas and Hezbollah, takes over. Ibish, "Israel's basic posture is anything but defensive" (oh really? then why doesn't Israel attack much weaker state of Jordan, for instance?) "Israel is the only country in the world which... maintains troops outsidfe its borders in somebody else's country (what country is that, Ibish?) for the sole purpose of taking the land away from them"

Really? Then why hasn't it done so already? It had 40 years to do it.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Cont. Ibish, "and forsing them to live under the worst form of tyrrany imaginable."

Oh really? So why did this terrible tyranny result in the explosion of Palestinian population? If it were so terrible, on'd think they would give up on having children rather than have more. Why have they become second healthiest, wealthiest, best educated ASrabs in the Middle East (after Israeli Arabs)? Why are most of the hospitals, schools, universities, etc. in the area built by Israel?

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Dare I say Darfurians, Bedouins in Arab countries, Copts, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Tibetans, Gypsies, Native Americans in most of Latin America, and scores upon scores of other people live far far worse. Even Arabs in Arab countries live worse.

One's mind boggles at the insanity of Ibish's assertions. And yet, this is not something new. It's the same crap everyone hears day in and day out from every conceivable media source.

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane 5-7 million palestinians have been forced to leave palestine by israel, their homes have been stolen and given to jews.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, darling, in late 1940s there were under a million Arabs living in all of the land that is now Israel. Including the territories.

Where did 5-7 million come from?

The rest of your statement is also nonsense.

Somebody is feeding you lies (Sigh.)

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane look Sunshine, you talk pish. 5 million are registered refugees, had these families not been forced out they would still be living in israel. something like 80% of palestinians were forced out.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, and how many of thiose refugees really are form that place?

Because in 1948, as they ran into Jordan, Egypt, etc., the UN came in, put up tents, and started feeding them. And then Bedouins and other locals heard that you can get free food and tents and medical service if you pn;y call yourself "refugee," and they came and registered. Many if not most stayed in those camps, their children and grandchildren grew up there, and they really do think they are refugees.

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[Kurtlane]

Read "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters.

Plus, the figure of 5-6 million is false because Paleo leadership keeps padding their numbers to make themselves more important. Just as they keep changing every statistic up or down to benefit themselves. You're not very familiar with Middle Eastern ways, are you?

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[Kurtlane]

Plus, however many there are, this is today. They have all bred and multiplied, those in the camps, those in Arab countries, in Israel - everywhere. These are some of the fastest growing populations in the world.

Here is what Wikipedia says: "The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba) occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it."

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

This is referenced to McDowall, David; Claire Palley (1987). The Palestinians. Minority Righs Group Report no 24. p. 10. ISBN 0946690421.

Just like I said, less than a million.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, Btw, do you know that at the same time and a little later, about a million Jewish refugees fled for their lives from all Arab countries? You, don't hear much about it, because Israel took them in and made them citizens with full rights. Today they and their children make up majority of Israelis (so much for "Jews came from Europe" nonsense).

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

"The United Nations General Assembly since 1947 has adopted 687 resolutions on the Arab-Israeli conflict. 101 of those resolutions dealt with refugees. But all those 101 resolutions dealt with Palestinian refugees only. It is astonishing to realize that not one resolution, not one of these resolutions ever dealt with the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab lands."

Irwin Cotler

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[Kurtlane]

Palestinian Arab refugees, on the other hand, are treated pretty badly in Arab countries, they have no citizenship, are often not allowed to leave refugee camps and are prohibited from working.

As one Arab official said, "We will continue to keep them refugees until Israel disappears."

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Hisham Yousef, spokesman for the Arab League, was asked to explain this. He replied that Palestinians do live "in very bad conditions," but the official policy is meant "to preserve their Palestinian identity."

"If every Palestinian who sought refuge in a certain country was integrated and accommodated into that country, there won't be any reason for them to return to Palestine."

"Treatment Frustrates Palestinian Refugees" LA Times, Jan. 4, 2004)

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Thyey live far worse than Palestinian Arabs in Israel, and no one cares. Because it cannot be blamed rxclusively on Jews.

On the other hand, other refugees are treated much worse. The UN has 2 groups for dealing with refugees: UNHCR for all non-Palestinian refugees, and UNRWA only for Palestinian ones. Palestinian refugees receive more per person monetary aid than anyone else in the world.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

There are 170 Palestinan refugees per 1 UN social worker, in the rest of the world there are 4,000 refugees per 1 UN social worker.

This combination of UN support and Arab government discriminatory restrictions ensures that while in the rest of the world refugees stop being refugees and are absorbed into local societies, Palestinian Arab refugees remain refugees for at least 3 generation now, and probably forever.

[Kurtlane]

Ashrawi, "They [news media] don't present it as saying Israel is the aggressor, Israel is killing people on their own land, in their own homes. But no, Israel is defending itself."

Really? They don't? Then how come this is all I hear from the media?

Never mind that the people killed in their homes are killed because they open fire from their homes (and they would just as well be killed in any country on earth.)

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Yes, Israel is defending itself. For the first time in almost 2,000 years, Jewish people are defending themselves. Israel defended itself in wars Arabs fought against it, and it's defending itself in intifadas (which are wars with different name and different tactic.) If you don't like it - tough.

[Kurtlane]

Hanan Ashrawi again, "Protesting because of occupation, seige, total oppression." Then why do those young people yell "Kutile al-Yahood" "Itbakh al-Yahood" ("Kill the Jews"), "Al Yahud kelabna" (Jews are our dogs) and other such pleasantries?

People truly protesting oppression, such as Poles protesting Russian oppression in Tsarist times, yelled "For our freedom and yours." Can anyone imagine these characters saying something like this?

Isn't there something else going on here?

[Kurtlane]

Just listen to this scumbag Hanan Ashrawi say "young people largely unarmed" (oh really?) "total oppression of the whole nation" (oh really? what oppression and what nation?)

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Just listen to Seth Ackerman say, "When population resists, Israel is presented as being under attack."

Is there a more pure use of political language (which is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable)?

Perhaps when Seth Ackerman is disemboweled by "resisting population", he might rethink the whole matter. Perhaps his last thoughts then might be, "I really am under attack."

And then "resisting population" will dance with his guts and heart.

[Kurtlane]

What a bunch of shameless liars.

"Occupation is not mentioned."

Really? All I hear whenever Israel is mentioned is "Occupation, occupation, occupation." I feel like screaming, "Israel is a country, not ocupation."

Is BBC biased against Israel? Is the pope Catholic?

Is there one station, mainstream or alternative, that is not biased against Israel? If there is, I don't know it.

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[Kurtlane]

There is no truth at all in this video, except for one thing: there is lack of context in the media. The media never reports on how Jewish people lived before Israel was created, on ancient hatred of Arabs towards Jews, on Weizman-Feisal agreement, on Arab massacres of Jews, on juist how empty Palestine was before greater numbers of Jews started to arrive and created an economic boom, on Damascus Blood Libel (1840), shootings in Jaffa (1909), Nebi Musa riots (1920), Jaffa riots (1921),

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Hebron massacre (1929), Safed massacre (1929), the Great Arab Revolt (1936-39), Tiberias Massacre, Farhud massacre (1941), on British pro-Arab and anti-Jewish policies, on Hajj Amin al-Husseini and those who followed him, on Arab support for Hitler, on the invention of "Palestinian nation," Arab rejection of 1947 partition plan, Arab war on newly-born Israel, on endless Arab terror against Israelis throughout past 60 years, on 6-day war, Yom Kippur War, fedayyeen, mujaheddin,

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

school bus attack (1970), hijacking and blowing up airplanes in Zarqa (1970), Palestinians in Lebanese civil war (1970-1983), Lod Airport Massacre (1972), Munich Olympics massacre (1972), Kiryat Shmona massacre (1974), Ma'alot school massacre (1974), Entebbe hijacking (1976), bus hijacking (1978), shelling of northern Israel (1982), attack on Rome's main synagogue (1982), Achille Lauro hijacking and murder (1985), first intifada (1987),

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

bus bombings, attacks on Jewish centers in Argentina, suicide bombings (1992-present), al-Aqsa intifada (2000-present), murder, mutilation and disembowelment of Jews in Ramallah (2000), celebrations of 9/11 attacks (2001), soccer with a Jewish man's head (2004), Hamas takeover of Gaza (2007) and much much more.

Even the murder of Bobby Kennedy (1968) is kept in the dark.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

It's just a continuous barrage of murder, hatred and lies. And this video too is part of the same. It lies. Boy does it lie!

It's not about occupation. What did Damascus blood libel and all the massacres that followed it have to do with any occupation, or Zionism for that matter? Zionism didn't even exist then.

It's not about occupation. It's about extermination. Extermination of at least 6 million Israeli Jews.

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane

what about the Sabra and Shatila massacre, genocide....israel is methodically ethnic cleansing the population of palestine. the state of israel is the real terrorist.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, the very fact that you refer to 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre tells a lot about how pathetic your argument is.

Look at how many massacres there have been in the world since then, including outright genocide in Rwanda (about 800,000 people killed), conflict in Democratic Republic of Congo (5,400,000 people killed), Darfur (ongoing genocide, about 300,000 killed), etc.

And in the region, just look at what Ghaddafi has been doing to his people all the way to today.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

But it's more than that. Because the massacre in Sabra and Shatila was not ordered by Sharon or done by Israelis. It was done by a Christian Lebanese group under the command of Shubeika. So blaming it on Israel is just another misattribution and libel, like blaming death of Andrei Yushchinsky on Menahem Beilis or of Mary Phagan on Leo Frank, or passing military secrets to Germany on Alfred Dreyfus.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

So if the real culprits are not Israeli Jews but Shubeika and his gorilla soldiers, the massacre falls into the context of Lebanese Civil War, in which such massacres were routine. The same Sabra and Shatilla were later in 1985 occupied by Amal and Shiite Sixths Brigade. How many have been killed? No one knows. Or cares. Because it cannot be blamed on Jews.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

And who really put the fire into Lebanese Civil War? Who brought in "identity killings" and tying people to cars to pull them apart? Arafat and his Palestinians.

Also at the same time, in 1982, the Syrian city of Hama was bombarded by Syria's own army. Syrian troops massacred people in Hama, Syria. 10-20,000 people killed and 100,000 displaced. The media hardly said a word. It was too busy with Sabra & Shatila massacres.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Why nothing about Hama, and so much about Sabra/Shatila? Because Sabra/Shatila can be blamed on Jews. Falsely. But who cares.

So much for Sabra and Shatila - another case of "Jews drink the blood of babies."

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane libya was the most advanced nation in africa and the rebellion was one tribe versus another, i lived in ireland during the troubles and i know what is going on in israel is evil, go to palestine....if you do not see the israeli state is bad then you have no heart....if there is a heaven the palestinians will get there....not so sure about the zionists.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, right, you were in Ireland, so you understand Israel. That's a good one.

(Sigh.)

I was in Israel. But who listens to me. Everybody thinks he's an expert here. Even if all he does is listen to that Galloway sellout.

Here is just one instance of how Arabs treat Jews in Israel:

On Oct. 12, 2000 two Israelis took a wrong turn and ended up in Ramallah. They were chased by a mob and took refuge in a Palestinian police station.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

The mob surrounded the station and threatened to set it on fire. The police let them in.

The two Jews were caught, killed, mutilated. Their bodies were thrown out of the window. One of the mutilators then appeared in the window and showed his hands full of blood of his victims. The mob cheered. The mob below tore the bodies into pieces, took out hearts and guts and paraded with them all over central Ramallah.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

The gesture of showing one's hands with blood of Jews on them has since become a ritual. I have a photo of a little girl doing it. The 'blood' is paint, but the gesture is real: the girl promises to cover her hands with Jewish blood when she grows up. And she means it.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

In 2004 in Gaza, Israeli armed troop carrier was blown up. Palestinian "freedom fighters" got to it in an ambulance they stole from the UN, dismembered the bodies of soldiers and took them away. They played soccer with a human head. Later, the dismembered bodies and one severed human head were shown on al-Jazeera.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Which is so similar to what happened in the village of Yedwabne, Poland, in 1941, where some Jews living in the village were tortured and dismembered, and some of the torturers played soccer with a human head. That was part of the Holocaust. And this is part of what? Soccer?

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Do you have a heart for this? For Shalhevet Pass, age 10 months, shot dead in her carriage as her parents took her to see her grandparents? For 3-month-old Hadas Fogel, 4-year-old Elad Fogel, 11-year-old Yoav Fogel and their parents Udi and Ruth Fogel, butchered in their home? For Blondi - a 17-year-old high school student, killed on a bus in Haifa? For, for, for...

Of course you don't. You celebrate their murders.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

"Several years ago, while visiting one of Germany's universities, I was surprised to see an abundance of red and black flags hanging out of windows in student dorms. I was told that local communists and anarchists were celebrating... a successful terror attack in Tel Aviv." - Alexander Kabakov, Russian writer

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

"When people make disproportionate criticisms, when they express rage and indignation about the treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories, but they say nothing at all when the Passover seder is blown up, or when a volleyball match in Pakistan is blown up, or when the London subway, or the Madrid subway, or on and on... when they somehow cannot find the words, when the level of indignation and eloquence just escapes them, then you know you are dealing with a dishonest person.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

"You know you are dealing with a person who is motivated by hatred and not by attempting to empirically assess what is actually going on.

"So when the Helsinki commission and various human rights organizations here in Washington begin calling these people what they are - war criminals, who kill innocent people for no reason whatsoever - when that happens - then I will be willing to listen to what they have to say about Israeli behavior in the occupied territories." - Jeffrey Herf

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Same here. As I see the whole world care so much for Palestinians and not give a fig for Israeli Jews, when no one sees the difference between a soccer ball and a cut off head of a Jew, why should I care about Palestinians?

The whole fucking world cares for them. Let me care for those for whom no one cares.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391 , as far as genocide, I wish you wouldn't use words the meaning of which you don't understand.

In 1948, there were less than a million "Palestinians" (actually, they were just called "Palestinian Arabs" at the time.) Now, there are about 4 million. If this is genocide, it is genocide backwards.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391 , "israel is methodically ethnic cleansing the population of palestine. the state of israel is the real terrorist"

Right. And the earth is flat, and the moon is made of blue cheeze, and Jews have horns.

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane i never said jews were bad, but the state of israel is.....it is a disgrace to humanity and i would like to see it change for the better, but there are many racist zionist warmongering selfish humans in the state of israel, and they like apartheid.

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391 , "israel is methodically ethnic cleansing the population of palestine. the state of israel is the real terrorist"

I wonder, where have you learned to duckspeak?

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

"The intention was to make speech, and especially speech on any subject not ideologically neutral, as nearly as possible independent of consciousness. .. a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgement should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying forth bullets."

-George Orwell

[robin22391]

@Kurtlane wwwdotnogwdotcom/israeliatroci­ties.html

[Kurtlane]

@robin22391, thanks for giving me this nogw web site.

Now things are becoming clearer

It's a apge under title "Barack Obama - Zionist Wolf In Sheep's Clothing"

And immediately underneath: "America Is No Longer a Representative Democracy: Zionists Have Seized Control During The 2000 ELECTION COUP D' ETAT, Installed Puppet Regime"

A bit below something on Planet X Nibiru, Comet elenin.

It's a place for crazy people.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

You are mentally ill.

Please accept my sincere condolences.

And please go find psychiatric help for yourself. You need it.

And please stay off the internet.

[Fronika]

Superb video.

[lumpfish99]

when you have a custodial sentence imposed on citizens who dont pay the tv licence fee in the uk it is only natural that the bbc will be biased.....dont pay the tv fine and dont watch tv...its healthier and you will learn more by obtaining info on your own....

[abbienetvision]

There is no illegal occupation AT ALL,

Israel left Gaza 100% in 2005, prior to this vid.

The West Bank was taken during a defensive war. No country which takes land for protection after a defensive war is forced to return it. If the Arabs would stop attacking Israel, they wouldn't lose more land. So STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL!!! Or at least, the Arabs should stop crying after they try to kill Israelis and take over Israel, that they have lost. Losing is the chance you take when you start a war!

[Tzimnewman3]

abbienetvision,

You are a funny person. Even when there is clear facts that there is an occupation you jump into the fact that IDF took troops out of Gaza and therefore you come to the comclusion that the people living under occupation in the West Bank should be gratefull for the occupation.

UN law forbids any nation from taking land by conquest. It is against the Geneva Convention.

You can deny the facts all you want but the facts and evidence is there and is clear!!

[abbienetvision]

Tzim,

UN forbids brainwashing children, using human shields and attacking other countries for ethnic cleansing. These are the tatics of the Arabs that led to the "occupation."

There is no occupation, it is disputed territory.

It became disputed after Israel was attacked by the Arabs and pushed them back. W Bank was Jordanian territory and Gaza was Egyptian.

The land was never accepted by Egypt or Jordan and no Pali state was even spoken about.

These are the facts!

[Tzimnewman3]

abbienetvision,

"UN forbids brainwashing children"

Is that why Israel takes small children to see weapons and write messages on IDF bombs?

"...using human shields..."

Is that why Israel uses children in Gaza as Human Shields???

"...attacking other countries..."

You mean like Israel wishing to start attacking Iran even when Iran has not attacked Israel??

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Look at Hamas saying that human shields is their tactic. They brag about it!

The messages on the bombs are not about killing the Palis, while the rockets are for killing Israelis!

Iran has said that Israel should be destroyed, do you think that we should wait and see? They have THE BOMB and have told the world their aim.

If someone says they are going to kill your family and they show your the weapons they will use, will you not take preventive measures?

[Tzimnewman3]

"Look at Hamas saying that human shields is their tactic."

Why are you white washing Israel using human Sheilds?? You seem to air brush over the question!!

"The messages on the bombs are not about killing the Palis"

LOL, the IDF bombs do the killing the message on them makes no difference.

"while the rockets are for killing Israelis!"

7 Israeli's killed and thousands of Palestinians killed (257 of them Children, UN)

[abbienetvision]

Tzim,

Thousands of Israelis have been killed and maimed by Palistineans...the rockets began when the suicide bombers were stopped at the checkpoints.

It is just the latest means of killing Israelis.

While over 8,000 rockets came into Israel indescriminately, Israel was fighting for survival. Gaza was emptied of all Israelis, so this had nothing to do with occupation, just a hatred of Israel and Jews and wanting to kill us.

If Hamas had stopped the rockets, there wouldn't have been any war!

[Tzimnewman3]

"Iran has said that Israel should be destroyed, do you think that we should wait and see? They have THE BOMB and have told the world their aim."

Iran never made such a comment!! The translation of Irans language proves that what Iran said was to wipe Zionism from the pages of History. This is accepted by everyone and every translator in the world as the true meaning.

The media made a mistake.

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Can you be so uninformed? Have you ever listened to Ahmanadijine?

He has called for the destruction of Israel more than once.

[Tzimnewman3]

"Can you be so uninformed? Have you ever listened to Ahmanadijine? He has called for the destruction of Israel more than once."

Yes I did hear Ahmanadijine. The officialy recognised translation for his statements from both the CIA to every other translator has proved that his statement on Israel was "to wipe Zionism from the pages of history".

There was never a comment or statement which called the for the destruction of Israel. Never. Even the Jews in Iran recognise this. Why cant you?

[Tzimnewman3]

"If someone says they are going to kill your family and they show your the weapons they will use, will you not take preventive measures?"

Preventive measures??? You mean like IDF using White Phospherus in a civilian area?? Illegal under UN law!

What about killing 257 Children whom were innocent?? Is this the preventative measure you are talking about??

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

As for the phospherous, it was used by Israel as a smoke screen within international law.

Hamas loves seeing their own kids die and loves the bloodshed of Palis even more than of the Jews.

How are the Palis treated in Lebanon? Do you even know? Much worse than in Israel.

[Tzimnewman3]

"As for the phospherous, it was used by Israel as a smoke screen within international law."

Use of White Phospherus in a civilian area is illegal under International Law. Go check it. The UN will confirm that fact. You can also find videos of the UN stating that its use is illegal in civilian areas. I would call a school and several UN buildings with refugees a civilian area unless you don't count Palestinians has having the same rights has humans!

[Tzimnewman3]

"Can you answer even one of my questions?"

I have answered many of your questions!! It is you whom seem unable to answer any of my questions!! Go back and try answering one instead of changing the story around!

You claim the UN is biased, therefore you claim that the United States of America, United kingdom and Europe are also Biased. But then again you dont realy understand what the UN is do you? Its called the International Comunity. P.S. Wihtout the UN Israel would not exist. (UN RES 181)

[Tzimnewman3]

abbienetvision,

Without the UN the figure of 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust would not be common knowledge. Wihtout the biased UN as you call them people would be free to deny it ever happened and without the UN documents and evidence no one would even realy know if the Holocasut was real or fake.

So think before you critisize the UN. Without them this mess in Palestine would never have happened and Palestine would have been free.

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

You think the UN was needed to prove the Holocaust, even after all the camps were freed by Americans and Russians? Are you blind or just stupid?

Palestine was not free for Jews and there was a quota when it was under UK.

Every piece of land that the Muslims have was taken by force, even in the time of Mohammed. Just look at Banu Qurayza, where Jews lived until they were killed by Muslims in the 7th Century.

[Tzimnewman3]

"You think the UN was needed to prove the Holocaust, even after all the camps were freed by Americans and Russians? Are you blind or just stupid?"

You are the stupid one!! Don't you know your history?? Do you not know the history of the UN? It was known as the "Big Three" during its formation. America, Russia and the UK were the UN back then who compiled documents which proved that the Holocaust took place. No one at the time knew. Thats why Germans had to be taken to see for themselves.

[Tzimnewman3]

"Palestine was not free for Jews and there was a quota when it was under UK."

You are confusing your Jews! Palestine was free for Palestinian Jews and Arabs for thousands of years. They lived side by side. Many Palestinian Jews who grew up during that period before Israel was created testify that they lived side by side in peace.

The quota you talk off existed for any foriegn people including German Jews, Italian Jews, American Jews, etc. Don't confuse the situation retard!

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Clearly your brain doesn't work properly.

All of the Arabs that came into Israel during the Ottoman empire were intruders, while Jews from out of the area were not allowed in.

There was never a period in history where Jews and Arabs lived side by side in peace. Just look at the 1930 Hebron Massacre, prior to Israel's existence.

[Tzimnewman3]

"the UN is bias and extremely anti-Israeli"

Since you beleive that the world is biased and anti-Israeli then anything a non-Israeli says to you and any evidence a non Israeli tells you, you will ignore so what is the point in answering any more of your questions???

It would just be a waste of time since you consider the world against Israel and bias (UN - United Nations).

Come back when you decide to accept that fact that the UN is not biased.

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

The UN has decided not to hear anything or make any resolutions regarding the Sharia law which is responsible for unhumane treatment, allowing rapes and murders, and horrible brainwashing.

Seems you don't know the UN, Israel, or much of anything really!

[Tzimnewman3]

As for the video link if you bothered to listen to this very stupid UN representative of some country which is not clearly shown you hear him state that the UN as not innacted any Resolution on any other state then Isreal.

This is false. In 1947, the UN made resolutions on the Greece question, spannish question, iranian question. For 1947 the total was 15 resolutions.

Go check it yourself!!!

un. org/documents/scres. htm

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Hearing and understanding problem too? The representative never said what you have written, so I don't know what you are talking about. He said Hamas and Hezbollah have been granted umpunity. That the UN has been silent on all of the Palistinians killed by Hamas and Fatah, since Israel could not be blamed.

The UN of 1947 is not the UN of today. The UN changed after '67.

Do I need to write everything more than once for you to get it into your thick skull?

[Tzimnewman3]

Go to that video link you presented me and go to the following time: 0:56 which he says the following:

"...it has ennacted one resolution after another condeming one single state, Israel..."

"Hearing and understanding problem too?"

Your the one with the problem not me, anyone can go to that video you presented here and hear exactly the same words which I have proven to be false.

Do I need to write everything more than once for you to get it into your thick skull???????

[Tzimnewman3]

"The UN of 1947 is not the UN of today. The UN changed after '67."

Really, care to explain? Can you show me a url (website) that supports your false and untrue claim?? I dare you to prove it!!!

I suspect you are still gaining your information from JDL terrorists!!

[Tzimnewman3]

Also on that video this UN guy speaking does not even know the correct number of countries in the UN. He states at 1:13 :

"191 countries" when talking about the countries in the UN when the fact is that there are 192 countries (Source = UN).

So if this guy keeps making false and incorrect statements there is no further need to prove him wrong since he has done a good job of proving himself wrong for us.

watch?v=uhWgZu6tcZU

[abbienetvision]

Tzim,

This is an easy math question:

If you have 192 countries and 1 is constantly and consistantly having resolutions against her, how many are left?

191!!! Right...and that is exactly what he said...get it now?

[Tzimnewman3]

"Did you even bother to watch the banned UN speech? Not too long, but very informative. v=uhWgZu6tcZU"

I did check it and the guy stated:

""...it has ennacted one resolution after another condeming one single state, Israel..."

I proved the UN guys statemen false since the UN is not only targeting Israel.

Here is the link again where you can find other UN resolutions.

un. org/documents/scres. htm

[abbienetvision]

Tzim, Another crappy link from you:

un. org/documents/scres. htm

Link here doesn't work either...with or without spaces...can you work on your copy/paste,so you don't get so confused?

[Tzimnewman3]

"Tzim, Another crappy link from you:

un. org/documents/scres. htm "

paste it into google and search for it the first link will be the one. People with brains of their own would have tried that before stating its a crappy link but what can we expect from a 36 year old slut like you!

[abbienetvision]

Tzim,

The link is not a good link.

As usual when someone is losing an argument and have no truth to their fight, they resort to pointless, off topic name calling.

You cannot even see that I am not 36, I am 43!!! Are you blind? It is clearly posted on my profile.

[Tzimnewman3]

"The link is not a good link."

Don't blame your lack of computer knowledge on a bad link. It is a bad link only when you fail to correct it. The reason it is posted bad here is because youtube prevents links being posted on the comments.

So as I tolled you before, go to google and enter that link in the search field. The first result you get is the link (without the spaces).

Everyone knows a website can not have spaces in the link! You obviously dont.

[Tzimnewman3]

Come on, all that fuss you was making about me not replying to your comments and as soon as I give you a reply it takes you 30 minutes to respond. Is that because you running out of JDL material or that you are trying to look for something which you think I wont be able to answer??

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Show me that outrage and the resolutions against Palistine?

Against Darfur, where millions are dead in a genocide?

[Tzimnewman3]

You havnt answered this question so let me re-post it for the second time::

"The UN of 1947 is not the UN of today. The UN changed after '67."

Really, care to explain? Can you show me a url (website) that supports your false and untrue claim?? I dare you to prove it!!!

I suspect you are still gaining your information from JDL terrorists!!

When you answer this one then I will answer any different questions!

[Tzimnewman3]

I'll give you this one.

"Show me that outrage and the resolutions against...Darfur, where millions are dead in a genocide?"

un. org/News/Press/docs/2006/sc882­1. doc. htm

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

This is not a valid link to anything...thanks!

[Tzimnewman3]

"This is not a valid link to anything...thanks!"

You really havn't a clue about youtube have you? You should know that you cant enter website address on comments. Youtube blocks that. There is a trick around this which involves putting a space in certain parts of the address.

Copy/paste it again and remove the spaces then you will find it works.

With the space's like this the youtube computer is unable to understand that its a link.

Learn some more about computers!!

[Tzimnewman3]

But since you allready should understand Palestine is occupied by Israel so it has been wiped of the map. There would be a Resolution against Palestine if Israel allowed the Palestinians to have their land back.

Something you should really know being a Zionist.

[abbienetvision]

Nov. 29 is the United Nations Day of International Solidarity with the Palestinian People. No other people has a U.N. Day of Solidarity.

No resolutions about protection or Jewish access were passed from 1946 to 1967 when Jordan controlled Jerusalem and barred Jews from entering.

How do the Palis live in Lebanon? Bothered to check? Worse conditions than in Israel, so where are the resolutions?

Jordan killed thousand of Palistinians in Black September, was there a resolution?

[Tzimnewman3]

"Nov. 29 is the United Nations Day of International Solidarity with the Palestinian People. No other people has a U.N. Day of Solidarity."

No other religion in the world has an International Law which makes it a crime to question the Holocaust!

Your point is??

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Because you don't understand that the Holcaust didn't kill only Jews and to question it is to put down mankind, USA, Russia, and the rest of the world that was against having Hitler take over country after country.

It is not religious, but about the deaths of many innocent people, but clearly anything that requires any thinking is not able to be understood by you1

[Tzimnewman3]

LOL,

You know nothing about what I think of the Holocaust. you can only guess. Guess what I knew back in 1997 that the Holocaust was both a Jewish and non jewish problem. Political prisinors and anyone who was enemy to the Third Reich. We have History lessons here in the UK you know!!

Every Zionist and Jew I speak allways talks about the Holocaust and 6 million dead. Why don't they speak of the 11 million (5 million non jews)?? Why seperate the amount to 6 million??

[Tzimnewman3]

Niewyk, Donald L. The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000, p.45: "The Holocaust is commonly defined as the murder of more than 5,000,000 Jews by the Germans in World War II." Also see "The Holocaust", Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2007: "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women and children, and millions of others, by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. The Germans called this "the final solution to the Jewish question".

[Tzimnewman3]

So I am glad that you are the first Jew to actually agree with me that the Holocaust was both a Jewish murder and non Jewish murder of 11 million people.

I dissagree with History which teaches me the Holocaust is 6 million deaths.

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

It should be obvious: out of 11 million, over half were Jews and they were targetted due to Judiasm. The Arabs were also part of the Final solution against Jews and loved the idea.

[Tzimnewman3]

"It should be obvious: out of 11 million, over half were Jews and they were targetted due to Judiasm. The Arabs were also part of the Final solution against Jews and loved the idea."

Wow, you are a stupid person. What are you trying to tell me that I allready know??

Maybe you have problems reading! I am not going to repeat what I have allready said on this matter.

Its clear you are moving the topic away and making a mountain out of a mole hill. Why are you complicating things?

[Tzimnewman3]

Have you watched the video of the Merkav tank which was once refered to as "Gods Chariot" but palestinians were the first to destroy it showing that its as weak as any other tank?

What about the 49 tanks destroyed when they invaded Lebanon. You Zionists had to run back to Israel because Hezbollah defeated you. All you could do was bomb non Hezbollah people and make them hat you just as much. Israel made many Lebanon people like Hezbollah.

[abbienetvision]

tzim,

Palestinians live in Jordan...that is the Palistinian state. The Palis in Israel are the same as the ones in Jordan, same people, language, culture, holidays, dialect, there is no difference, except one is made to suffer by their Arab brothers, as use as pawns in the destruction of Israel.

The Palis in Israel are made to suffer for political gain. This is the Arabs way, killing and hurting even their own! Typical behavoir from Muslims!

[Tzimnewman3]

"Every piece of land that the Muslims have was taken by force, even in the time of Mohammed. Just look at Banu Qurayza, where Jews lived until they were killed by Muslims in the 7th Century."

Since you wish to use anciant history now why don't you provide sources for this statement you make. I would love to see a source which is credable which supports this statement you make??

I bet you don't provide one. I bet you ignore this and will not back up your comments with evidence!!

[abbienetvision]

BTW...credable is not a word

5th graders know English better than you do!

You do not even know about Banu Qurayza? Such a lack of information. Where did you learn? The Gaza University for bomb making and other terroristic tactics?

[abbienetvision]

Really...lots of men in uniform were in the camps when they freed them. They were not witness to the holocaust?

Do you choose to ingore this simple fact?

[Tzimnewman3]

abbienetvision,

What about UN RES 181 or UN RES 242 or UN RES 442???

What about International Law?? Is Israel above International Law??

[abbienetvision]

Tzim,

Are the Muslim terrorists above International law?

As for the resolutions that you have written, 242 is explicitly written to admit the word "all", since that would leave Israel in a dangerous position.

If you don't know yet, the UN is bias and extremely anti-Israeli. Where are the resolutions against all the terrorists and the Hamas rockets or Gilad Shalit? What about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza and most Muslim countries?

Can you answer even one of my questions?

[abbienetvision]

REPOSTED AND STILL AWAITING AN ANSWER:

Are the Muslim terrorists above International law?

Res 242 is explicitly written to admit the word "all", since that would leave Israel in a dangerous position.

If you don't know yet, the UN is bias and extremely anti-Israeli. Where are the resolutions against all the terrorists and the Hamas rockets or Gilad Shalit? What about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza and most Muslim countries?

Can you answer even one of my questions?

[Tzimnewman3]

"REPOSTED AND STILL AWAITING AN ANSWER:"

Well this time you actually bothered to click on the "reply" button which allerts me when you reply to my comment. That is why you have been awaiting an answer! Maybe you still have a lot of learning to do on how to use youtube.

"Are the Muslim terrorists above International law?"

No but Israel seems to think it is and acts like it is because Israel ignores International Law.

[abbienetvision]

WHERE IS THE ANSWER????? GETTING TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Did you even bother to watch the banned UN speech? Not too long, but very informative. v=uhWgZu6tcZU

[Tzimnewman3]

abbienetvision,

"WHERE IS THE ANSWER????? GETTING TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF AGAIN AND AGAIN."

Was you born retarded or did it just occur overnight?

I tolled you to come back here when you accept the UN is not biased. Your further comments only enforce the fact that you know nothing about what the UN is.

Its that simple.

[abbienetvision]

tzimMoronBaby,

You "tolled" me...thanks for showing you stupidity in more than one way.

Can you stick to the question, rather than repost your moronic comments????

[lndac02]

the operative word here is ELECT, they may elect war criminals but as least the isreali public get a chance to vote. i dont see much of that in Syria and other "peaceful" muslim states surrounding isreal.

[lndac02]

George galloway is a great orator but a 21st century Lord Haw haw . I think he does too much to appease anyone who has any axe to grind with the west/UK. What bothers me most is that he is a paid parliamentrian,He is paid to represent his constituency which is in the east end not the gaza strip.I think he does a lot of damage to the reputation of this country and seems sometimes almost like a 5th columnist trying to undermine the fabric of the UK making us easier to acceptance of Islam control.

[londongal1979]

GIVE US A FUCKING BREAK YOU DOUGH-FACED CRETIN GEORGE GALLOWAY & ALL HIS EXTREMIST MUSLIM FOLLOWERS... everybody knews that the BBC is the MOST pro-palestinian news scource there is, thanks to wankers like the 'regular' muslim who spoke on George Galloway and left-wing zealots who dominate BBC. The muslim who spoke didn't realise that when he referred to BBC admitting bias, they were admitting to PRO-PALESTINIAN bias and also liberal left wing bias, NOT the other way around. What an idiot.

[nestrohn]

Looks like you're alone in your pathetic little argument you ugly slutty bitch. We all know the only idiot that exists here is YOU

[shawry86]

98% of israelis do not connect to zionism...my sister in law who is israeli didnt even know what zionism was until me and her had a debate about it....

[asaf92]

Actully 98% of us ARE zionists and we know very well what it is, but not by your definition.

[shawry86]

im on about people who think religious settlers who act like dicks represent zionism

[pikechris1]

vast taxpayer money spent on islämonazis,

at least 3x as much as on israel

watch?v=rI3rNc_Faz0

[PersiaMyLove]

The BBC is also biased for not complying with international regulations on legal standard names because it never uses the correct name, "Persian Gulf," in its reports. What it does is that it vandalizes a historical name, of which is a part of the Persian heritage. This is not only an insult to my country. But, it's also an insult to journalism as a whole, since it promotes inaccuracy and dishonesty, not to mention an insult to historical/geographical truth!

[kindu2006]

why cant the 'Israelis' & 'Palestinians' come together and agree to share the land. Given that the 'Israelis' are already there, and will obviously not go away, why can't they just share the land, and kiss and make-up, so they can stop killing each other? Why is it so hard for them to do this?

[active786]

spot on, misinformation untill the true story becomes so confusing that you add and minus what you want as long as its in your intrest. I think the british already are aware of this but are affraid of admiting it.

[ThoughtCriminal911]

gentile is a racist term. i am a non jew.

[SoImAGeek]

I've always found the bbc bias in favour of palistine but that just my opinion. Personly there both as bad as each other, stupid religion.

[viacomsuxass]

you mean in favor of israel right? i hope lol

[WorldInFlamesAgain]

I've just checked the BBC website for this story i just read on the FRONT PAGE of Yahoo News UK:

"Israeli fire kills mother and 4 children in Gaza"

There's is absolutely nothing about this on BBC. What a surprise.

The BBC always has been and always will be a mouthpiece for the government and the zionists who run it.

[wotdoesitmatter]

It is there on the BBC website middle-east section. The bias and double-standards is ever present. Remember the seminary attack on Israelis a little while ago. Rightly condemned by the BBC. Then we had wall to wall coverage - interviews, names, ages, bereaved relatives and lots of reaction. This story gets the minimum. It also gets worded differently.

[wotdoesitmatter]

According to the BBC, this was a raid, not an attack - the people were killed by a missile and not an Israeli - reported as a response to "a group of gunmen who had fired at an army patrol in the area" - "The area is often used by Palestinian militants to launch rockets at Israel" - excusing the crime.

I'm surprised there is not an Israeli spokesperson quoted as saying, "Israel expresses sorrow and regret for the loss of life but they were targeting militants"

[wotdoesitmatter]

The Israeli perspective is always covered and normally quoted as truth while there is little or no Palestinian perspective.

Ask why they label Palestinian fighters (not Israelis) as Militants.

Search for those seminary attacks and see the double standards. You even get an 'in pictures' page! There is plenty of coverage.

Israeli deaths matter more and Palestinians are unpeople. The BBC, Boaden and regime are as zionist as they come and the propaganda service is in full swing.

[BornWithTesticles]

Forget about the news coverage for a minute. Who the hell makes the rules in the middle east? OH Yeah it's the country's with the most weapons and US backing, but watch out because the US will turn on you soon and blame it all on you.

[hanysal]

Galloway speaks Truth

ISRAEL OCCUPIES!!!

The Dogs of the oil companies Occupie

[OligarchHeritageFund]

Niggers and Pakis are occupying the British Isles as well. Guess how many British men,women and children have become suicide bombers against the low tech low intensity invasion?

Zero.

[DJFearRoss]

what has he got to do with Palestine?

Why are they having this talk?

[badbubbagump]

JeruBoy..Israel could have saved itself a lot of bother If it did'nt forcibly steal Gaza in the first place.(they would'nt have had to give it back:).FYI UN res 242 says that land exchanges have to be minor and MUTUAL...and there is no moral difference between a nutter firing rockets at Israeli civilians,or an apache helicopter firing a missile into a densely populated civilian neighbourhood to kill one terrorist.

[JeruBoy7]

Funny. Israel gives back Gaza & gets nothing but daily rocket attacks. & what is Israel's border ? Not even the UN in resolution 242 states that Israel must give back all land captured. fact is that Hamas openly states that the 67 border is not enough. That the only acceptable outcome is the complete destruction of Israel. But I guess these wankers know more than the Pali's elected governemt.

[kingbaluchi]

bias reporting....justice will prevail one day.

[CasperUK]

it's biased for a reason. Jews lobby or control the BBC.

[islamthebest]

Actually they do report the bad side of palestine but not Israel. Cause whenever you hear about blockade or electric power you hear a reason for it compared to a terrorist attack by palestineans you dont hear the reason of their land taken away. How ignorant can you be?

[klashinkof1]

hey friend ;its the same in the usa and even worse;the jewish lobby is not only controling the media here;they even control america foriegn policy in the middle east;i hope soon they wont be stupid to control my life n values in america as they try to do before ww 2 in germany;or why do you think germans hated them then .