I'm not so good at sci-fi stuff, and I've only seen this once, but didn't they say something like they inadvertently "cloned" all the matter of the ship? So wouldn't they both be "real" ones? Hell, I dunno. He came from the other "real" ship, so I guess it doesn't matter. Where are the people who get paid to figure this stuff out on the internets?
@ZaffireWolf They are just as much real as Thomas Riker from The Next Generation/Deep Space 9. However the key is always to figure out if the episode of Voyager is the real crew or an alternate reality. Year of Hell is a prime example. As is the episode where the Y class planet crew is flying to earth.
so, they're so concerned about Harry making it over to the other universe that they sent him, alone, against over 300 Vidiians... umm... HELLO? This is HARRY. He's lucky when he can tie his shoes correctly in the morning. If they're all going to die anyway, why didn't they form a flying wedge and march down to sickbay with him and guard him until he made it through? Instead it's "good luck kid, hope ya make it. We'll all sit here in our chairs and think noble thoughts until we go boom." :P
From 1:36 to 1:42 does anyone know where one can download the sounds from the computer when one calls the computer and the sound the computer makes confirming the command?
Time Travel, split-phase timelines, duplicates...It all just gives one a headache if you think about it too long and hard... likely the same thing Kim decided after a few headaches...easier to accept this was the same crew he'd been with up to the split, then he had a slightly different experience than them before being 'rejoined'. A few hours is nothing in the grand scheme of a lifetime anyway... in time would probably have been forgotten even by him.
Go fuck yourself. I gave an opinion, you are free to like or dislike it.
It's an annoying occurrance. "Hey, he just got killed, but we have an exact duplicate with all of his memories! No harm done!"
And the audience is supposed to act like they are the same and nothing happened. Even Harry Kim himself comments on this, "I feel a little odd because this isn't my ship, but it is my ship."
thiats why she' my no.1 star trek capt. she have the best quality of both worlds. a warm loving tenderness ans compassion of a woman and toughness ruthless and commanding of a starship capt.
Do you realize that what I am talking about is the fact that she did it alone? Not, that she did it. In all other Star Trek movies and episodes the captain's order for self destruction must be confirmed. From what I can remember none of the self destruction orders Janeway gave were confirmed by someone else.
There wasn't any other high ranking crewman at the time when Voyager was first launched, it was a completely new ship being tested, it makes sense that only she could use the self destruct.
@phazon55 WTF are you talking about! Rationalize this all you want. The fact remains that Janeway's character is a psychopathic bitch. Something that proves how bad Voyager was. And it is all Berman's and Braga's fault. Another example is the Equinox episodes where Janeway tortured a crew member from the Equinox to get the info she needed. But don't tell me, you are pro-torture. The funny thing is (and an irony) that moments before Janeway condemned torture. No matter what.
@phazon55 Yet another example of how bad voyager was, is what some others are talking about in other comments. The fact that Kim was replaced by a duplicate. What a cheap shot. But it gets worse. Neither Harry, nor anyone else mentioned this again. And the same happens with a whole other events. In one episode something happens to a character and in the next this same character seems unaffected by it. As if it never happened. Try to rationalize this as well.
The difference between the real kim and the "duplicate" kim was non-existant, there was no difference in memory or events betweenthe two, why would there be an issue or an episode about it?
@phazon55 You make no sense, not to mention that in this episode the writers disagree with you and Kim "said" that it is weird. Something that the writers did not re-visited and thus there was no mention of it again, by Kim or someone else. That is an inconsistency. I would have little to say if the writers hadn't add the passing comment that Kim said. You know the one that KIM HIMSELF SAYS THAT IT IS AN ISSUE.
@phazon55 You forgot that Kim said to Janeway that there is enough difference to feel weird about it. Unless you haven't seen the episode. And I will say it one last time. I would have said nothing if it wasn't for this piece of dialogue. I would have said nothing if this mistake was an exception. But in Voyager all the time something happened to a character and in the next episode this character acted as if the previous event didn't happen. This is bad writing, and thus Voyager is a bad show.
@stefnectaR Sure, I will accept many things with the good old "suspension of disbelief" but after a while I can't accept anything more. Things like these will make a serial either "good" or "bad". This is why I consider Voyager a bad serial. I am allowed to do that, right?
You apparantly didn't watch this episode. They thought of taking everyone else on the ship, and going over, but they found out it would unbalance the split, and destroy everyone. Only a couple of people could go.
So they chose Harry Kim, since he had been killed, and Samantha Wildman's baby. since she died.
Besides, it would be kind of hard to have a double crew for every episode, and hard to explain it away when they got rid of them.
I'd rather die quickly in a self-destruct of the ship then let some organ harvesting fiends kill me painfully...i'd have thrown in a line of "peace out suckas" in that last second before it self-destructed :D
Out of curiosity, since the Vidiians still need air to breath, why not just replicate and beam in VX gas... or decompress the controlled sections... or set the gravity plating to 10g which was shown to be possible on Enterprise. We've seen that Janeway is perfectly willing to kill her crew, so it's kind of surprising she didn't try methods that would've only killed some of them.
@FORZION To rectify the storyline because the writers wouldn't want to write about two separate Voyagers, but in context, it neither Voyager had to be destroyed, they could've found a different way to separate the two ships.
@CobaltX07 if they vented all the air or increased the gravity then that would have killed voyager's crew. I'm sure Janeway would also have a problem killing people by suffocation it would probably violate a starfleet rule.
@FORZION The wouldn't have to vent all the atmo, just in the sections the Viddians were taking. Same with the gravity, in Enterprise, they can apparently increase the gravity in small section of floor someone's standing on. There's also beaming in of localized VX canisters.
@flickmonger87 Wouldn't it thus be more logical to have the already damaged ship self-destruct, then kill the Vidiian intruders, and leave the remaining Voyager undamaged and with a second vessel they could easily capture once they neutralize all the boarding parties?
@CobaltX07 This isn't the most rational argument from a logical standpoint, but it makes sense from a writing view. Even though Voyager was "destroyed" numerous times before it got home, some methods of messing with the timeline and other stuff made it so that the Voyager that came back to the Alpha Quadrant was the exact same Voyager that left the Alpha Quadrant Seven years earlier(except Harry Kim and Naiomi(?) Wildman. If the damaged Voyager had blown itself up, that wouldn't have happened.
@flickmonger87 I thought both Voyagers were the real Voyager, they had the exact same histories save one was horribly damaged, and the other one had a golden opportunity to capture another ship.
I suppose though, the FX ppl probably didn't want to spend the time creating the Vidiian ship for future episodes.
@CobaltX07 This is an excerpt from the episode descripton that should answer our question:
"Chakotay #2 runs a quantum level analysis on the ship's sensors after they left the plasma drift and hit the spatial turbulence. Torres #2 explains that it was more than just turbulence, it was a divergence field. After the ship left the drift, all sensor readings doubled...every particle of matter was duplicated. The field created another Voyager, occupying the same point in space-time. "
Alright my question here is about consciousness.....Do both copies share the same consciousness??? I mean, harry DIED!!!! But then again, they replaced him with himself (the other harry on the other ship) but is he the same? I mean, he couldn't have the same consciousness??? I'm so confused this is like set up for a philosophy class. This episode was great, but it made me have mixed feelings. I felt sorry for the dead crew but then again they lived? =/
@Alkonium Well, the Enterprise-E didn't need it either in Nemesis, but I guess they left that part out mainly because they either didn't care or they just... forgot. :B Or they left it out to not draw it out too long. =/
@GeraldRobotnik Technically in Nemesis, the auto-destruct wasn't functioning at all, so it would make sense for the computer to inform Picard right after trying to initiate it.
I love this episode, but it's kind'a scary that Janeway can blow up the ship on her own. What if she's having a bad day? "Screw it. Computer, blow up Voyager!" Boom. lol
I used to enjoy this show. Guys, I'm trying to remember what's going on here: Are there 2 voyagers the same one just one is ahead in the future? Or are the Voyagers from 2 different universes?
@ACLTony Voyager flew through a "spatial rift" and matter duplicated, though not anti-matter. Both Voyagers existed at the same place and time. From an outsider, it would look like one ship. Neither Voyager was aware of the other until the two Janeways saw each other on the bridge for a brief moment. It also helped that Kes from the damaged Voyager got bumped to the undamaged Voyager. Both ships were the original and the duplicate which is what makes the episode so interesting.
@Frost3784 - Thanks for that clarification. Now it makes sense. This is sort of reminds me of what happened to Commander Riker in STNG in which he was duplicated, yet both Rikers were originals. One returned to the USS Potemkin and the other remained marooned on a planet for several years.
@ACLTony That TNG episode was "Second Chances." If you liked it, check out the sequel in DS9's third season, "Defiant." It features the Riker clone as part of the Maquis. He steals the Defiant for the Maquis with plans to fight the Cardassians. Unfortunately, DS9 never did a follow up. Jonathan Frakes could have had a recurring role on DS9 as "the other Riker."
@Frost3784 I hate that they made the damaged Voyager survive, though. If the healthy one survived and was never boarded, but instead the damaged one was detected and boarded, they wouldn't have had to send over Harry and Naomi.
This episode was on Spike last week. "Hello. I'm Captain Katherine Janeway. Welcome to the bridge." Loved the slight smirk she had, cause the last laugh was on those damned Vidiians. Lmao!
@kellyberry Both Voyagers were the original and the copy, so really... neither ship was the original nor the copy. The idea was that it didn't matter which ship survived so long as one did. I like how it was setting up for the damaged Voyager to be lost, then the undamaged ship is attacked and invaded! Great episode.
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I watch TOS, didn't see much of the next two, but somehow got hooked on Voyager. The stories were good and I liked the actors ('tho less Neelix woulda been nice).
This episode is my favorite. It's an emotional one.
@ringmaster316ms No. they are called the Videan. They have a disease called the phage which kills their race. they harvest organs to try and counter act it but have been unsuccesful. voyage battles them on many occasions.
@Credithelper75 If you remember Voyager only had a skeleton crew. Chakotay is a high command officer but he didn't earn it through starfleet remember he was marquis. So he wouldn't have any self destruct commands. the next rank on that ship was Tuvak and he is a Lieutenant. There are no Lt. Commanders on Voyager. So Janeway would be the only one that could self-destruct. No one person should have that power but they were pulled against there will to the delta quadrant at the time being.
didnt kirk destroy the enterprise and beam his crew to the klingon ship and the klingons to enterprise?if only janeway coulda done the same agianst the vedians
@TheFlatypus ya and they never mentioned it again. Like the wildman's baby never like said when she grew up "YOUR NOT MY MOTHER!!" *laughs* or the fact that really she wasn't, never came up. It was weird
@TheFlatypus Totally agree. Poor Harry must have been more mentally/emotionally challenged after that. I mean, technically HIS ship and HIS crew died.
@TheFlatypus yeah for just like 2 minutes in that episode. I don't think that there is something that happened to any of the Voyager characters that had a lasting effect on them. Things were just passing and going.
PS
WTF! Till now every auto destruction needed the clearance of at least one more crew member. Most of the time the first officer's. Now this bitch authorizes it alone?!
why didn't they just send everyone still alive through the rift? sure, having copies of people on board would be awkward, but it's better than getting blown to hell
They should have Fired Chakotay and made Worf the new First Officer of Voyager.
Robert Beltran was vocal about how he disliked Trek. Worf as XO would have been prefect in the last 2 seasons. A Long Range Trasnporter could have used the Hirogen Communicatiosn Relay to send messages and Transporter beams long distance and one way.
I agree. Although i like(d) Bertrams looks he is one bad, lazy and arrogant actor. he could have made so much more out of his role and just bitched around because he didn't get to play the big macho man. Look what picardo made out of his role and what Bertram did the last seasons. He was asleep whenever he had no text, just sitting there looking bored. He was damn well paid for this job and still got this bad attitude. Make me angry *lol* I guess you already figured as much.Don't mean to offend
You are Totally Right. It was like he just came to work and got his paycheck and then went home ! Did Beltran ever direct an Episode of Voyager ? I know mc"neil directed a few eps. He was a Couch Potato and he was initially meant to be a Han Solo type of Pilot ,etc..
They should have sent Chakotay home thru a Transwarp Wormhole and made Brother Tuvok or Tom Paris into the First Officer. Harry Kim of the former Borg Teenager could have been trained on helm. What a lost Opportunity.
thats on a galaxy class starship with auto destruct. as far as i know the reason why this isnt the same on voyager is because its a smaller ship. im not entirely sure though so somebody may know the real reason
I'm not about to let my crew die
KATHY BLOW UP THE DAMN SHIP!!
SVWillmer 3 weeks ago 2
It's weird how everyone on the undamaged ship is okay with dying.
hop208 1 month ago 2
And people wanted Chuck Norris to be a meme.
ZaffireWolf 1 month ago
The purpose for the self-destruct mode was to keep the ship from falling into enemy hands.
MilesEdgeworth129 1 month ago
but that means, that harry and naomi are not the "real ones"?
swissm8 1 month ago
I'm not so good at sci-fi stuff, and I've only seen this once, but didn't they say something like they inadvertently "cloned" all the matter of the ship? So wouldn't they both be "real" ones? Hell, I dunno. He came from the other "real" ship, so I guess it doesn't matter. Where are the people who get paid to figure this stuff out on the internets?
ZaffireWolf 1 month ago
@ZaffireWolf I think by real they meant original.
YouMustBeAModel 3 weeks ago
@ZaffireWolf They are just as much real as Thomas Riker from The Next Generation/Deep Space 9. However the key is always to figure out if the episode of Voyager is the real crew or an alternate reality. Year of Hell is a prime example. As is the episode where the Y class planet crew is flying to earth.
TonixTech 2 weeks ago
Funniest line ever spoken in Voyager
" Take the cheese to sickbay"
LMAO LMAO LMAO
Deadlybrit 2 months ago
Now THIS is a Crowning Moment of Awesome.
Fuleadeare 2 months ago
Get out! Get outta there! Get out!
ancalites 2 months ago
so, they're so concerned about Harry making it over to the other universe that they sent him, alone, against over 300 Vidiians... umm... HELLO? This is HARRY. He's lucky when he can tie his shoes correctly in the morning. If they're all going to die anyway, why didn't they form a flying wedge and march down to sickbay with him and guard him until he made it through? Instead it's "good luck kid, hope ya make it. We'll all sit here in our chairs and think noble thoughts until we go boom." :P
nfinn42 3 months ago
MMMMMMMMMMM Janeway Pie!
TheToddy30 3 months ago
From 1:36 to 1:42 does anyone know where one can download the sounds from the computer when one calls the computer and the sound the computer makes confirming the command?
JPerry2006 3 months ago
Oje thing ya gotta admit about Janey - she got CLASS.
burnstagger 3 months ago
Hello, I'm Captain Kathryn Janeway. Welcome to the bridge. BOOM! Classic.
AuspexAO 4 months ago 13
7 people were on the Voyager that self-destructed.
MrMichael1701 5 months ago
@MrMichael1701 8 people just hate Voyager. Good for us.
Satyros2009 4 months ago
As far as Janeway being a 'psychopathic bitch' for killing her crew.
No.
The decision was simple enough-
She could do nothing: her ship would be overrun, the duplicate Voyager discovered and overrun as well. Everyone dies.
She could have allowed the security team over: The rift may have destabilized and killed them all.
She could destroy her ship: Takes out the Vidiians and allow the duplicate Voyager to survive.
Better for someone to go on toward home, than no one.
KaneinEncanto 5 months ago
Time Travel, split-phase timelines, duplicates...It all just gives one a headache if you think about it too long and hard... likely the same thing Kim decided after a few headaches...easier to accept this was the same crew he'd been with up to the split, then he had a slightly different experience than them before being 'rejoined'. A few hours is nothing in the grand scheme of a lifetime anyway... in time would probably have been forgotten even by him.
KaneinEncanto 5 months ago
@Davey5217
Go fuck yourself. I gave an opinion, you are free to like or dislike it.
It's an annoying occurrance. "Hey, he just got killed, but we have an exact duplicate with all of his memories! No harm done!"
And the audience is supposed to act like they are the same and nothing happened. Even Harry Kim himself comments on this, "I feel a little odd because this isn't my ship, but it is my ship."
Draknfyre 5 months ago
I always HATE it when a show does the "character is killed, but replaced by an exact double", like they do with Harry Kim here.
Yes, he may have all the memories, and his was a copy straight off the original, but he's still not the original.
Draknfyre 6 months ago
thiats why she' my no.1 star trek capt. she have the best quality of both worlds. a warm loving tenderness ans compassion of a woman and toughness ruthless and commanding of a starship capt.
yenmanovic 6 months ago
Screw you bitch. She kills her crew for a whim, without any confirmation from any other officer, or something.
Satyros2009 6 months ago
@Satyros2009
They would had had died either way, at least this way they could make sure the other voyager wasn't tracked down by the vidiians.
phazon55 5 months ago
@phazon55
Do you realize that what I am talking about is the fact that she did it alone? Not, that she did it. In all other Star Trek movies and episodes the captain's order for self destruction must be confirmed. From what I can remember none of the self destruction orders Janeway gave were confirmed by someone else.
Satyros2009 5 months ago
@Satyros2009
There wasn't any other high ranking crewman at the time when Voyager was first launched, it was a completely new ship being tested, it makes sense that only she could use the self destruct.
phazon55 5 months ago
@phazon55 WTF are you talking about! Rationalize this all you want. The fact remains that Janeway's character is a psychopathic bitch. Something that proves how bad Voyager was. And it is all Berman's and Braga's fault. Another example is the Equinox episodes where Janeway tortured a crew member from the Equinox to get the info she needed. But don't tell me, you are pro-torture. The funny thing is (and an irony) that moments before Janeway condemned torture. No matter what.
Satyros2009 5 months ago
@phazon55 Yet another example of how bad voyager was, is what some others are talking about in other comments. The fact that Kim was replaced by a duplicate. What a cheap shot. But it gets worse. Neither Harry, nor anyone else mentioned this again. And the same happens with a whole other events. In one episode something happens to a character and in the next this same character seems unaffected by it. As if it never happened. Try to rationalize this as well.
Satyros2009 5 months ago
@Satyros2009
The difference between the real kim and the "duplicate" kim was non-existant, there was no difference in memory or events betweenthe two, why would there be an issue or an episode about it?
phazon55 5 months ago
@phazon55 You make no sense, not to mention that in this episode the writers disagree with you and Kim "said" that it is weird. Something that the writers did not re-visited and thus there was no mention of it again, by Kim or someone else. That is an inconsistency. I would have little to say if the writers hadn't add the passing comment that Kim said. You know the one that KIM HIMSELF SAYS THAT IT IS AN ISSUE.
Satyros2009 5 months ago
@Satyros2009
The only reason I make no sense is because you refuse to believe what I'm saying. I'm done arguing with you.
phazon55 5 months ago
@phazon55 Yes I refuse to believe in lies, things that defy logic etc.
Satyros2009 4 months ago
@Satyros2009
None of it is a lie, illogical, or otherwise, you simply don't like it.
phazon55 4 months ago
@phazon55 You forgot that Kim said to Janeway that there is enough difference to feel weird about it. Unless you haven't seen the episode. And I will say it one last time. I would have said nothing if it wasn't for this piece of dialogue. I would have said nothing if this mistake was an exception. But in Voyager all the time something happened to a character and in the next episode this character acted as if the previous event didn't happen. This is bad writing, and thus Voyager is a bad show.
Satyros2009 4 months ago
@Satyros2009 oh come on that's called a serial.
stefnectaR 4 months ago
@stefnectaR Sure, I will accept many things with the good old "suspension of disbelief" but after a while I can't accept anything more. Things like these will make a serial either "good" or "bad". This is why I consider Voyager a bad serial. I am allowed to do that, right?
Satyros2009 4 months ago
Hmmm.. yes
Janeway can time when she sets the auto-destruct very well.
It almost perfectly sits in with then the Vidiians come on the ship.
Or is it just a coincidence.
TheCatapultTV 6 months ago
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Inspired2004 7 months ago
With the Death of Majel Barett Roddenberry would would make a good voice for the Ship's computer?
Jamescs007 7 months ago
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Jamescs007 7 months ago
I like it but it was kind of sad too.
AJC7282 7 months ago
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Hurqq 7 months ago
@Hurqq uhmm. what? i don't know what you just said there, but you're "missing out" on all of voyager experience of a successful series.
kryps1 7 months ago
@Hurqq
You apparantly didn't watch this episode. They thought of taking everyone else on the ship, and going over, but they found out it would unbalance the split, and destroy everyone. Only a couple of people could go.
So they chose Harry Kim, since he had been killed, and Samantha Wildman's baby. since she died.
Besides, it would be kind of hard to have a double crew for every episode, and hard to explain it away when they got rid of them.
Draknfyre 6 months ago
That's only on star trek TNG
Caleb368 8 months ago
hey i thought it took at least to senior officers to activate the self destruct
Jager1967 8 months ago 2
One of my favorite scenes EVER! LOVE JANEWAY
ChuloRob617 9 months ago
Of all the people to save - they save Ensign Kim? Two Docs would have been ace!
ShoulderAB07 9 months ago
sounds like the environmental system released some helium
tallfeather24 10 months ago
Is this season 1 or 2?
Kefka44 10 months ago
@Kefka44 season 2
ReyMyserioFan1995 10 months ago
I'd rather die quickly in a self-destruct of the ship then let some organ harvesting fiends kill me painfully...i'd have thrown in a line of "peace out suckas" in that last second before it self-destructed :D
KassidyKatherine 1 year ago
Out of curiosity, since the Vidiians still need air to breath, why not just replicate and beam in VX gas... or decompress the controlled sections... or set the gravity plating to 10g which was shown to be possible on Enterprise. We've seen that Janeway is perfectly willing to kill her crew, so it's kind of surprising she didn't try methods that would've only killed some of them.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 whats the point? one of the voyagers had to be destoryed
FORZION 11 months ago
@FORZION To rectify the storyline because the writers wouldn't want to write about two separate Voyagers, but in context, it neither Voyager had to be destroyed, they could've found a different way to separate the two ships.
CobaltX07 11 months ago
@CobaltX07 if they vented all the air or increased the gravity then that would have killed voyager's crew. I'm sure Janeway would also have a problem killing people by suffocation it would probably violate a starfleet rule.
FORZION 11 months ago
@FORZION The wouldn't have to vent all the atmo, just in the sections the Viddians were taking. Same with the gravity, in Enterprise, they can apparently increase the gravity in small section of floor someone's standing on. There's also beaming in of localized VX canisters.
CobaltX07 11 months ago
@CobaltX07 As has been said numerous times already, both Voyagers could not have coexisted, thus, one had to go.
flickmonger87 9 months ago
@flickmonger87 Wouldn't it thus be more logical to have the already damaged ship self-destruct, then kill the Vidiian intruders, and leave the remaining Voyager undamaged and with a second vessel they could easily capture once they neutralize all the boarding parties?
CobaltX07 9 months ago
@CobaltX07 This isn't the most rational argument from a logical standpoint, but it makes sense from a writing view. Even though Voyager was "destroyed" numerous times before it got home, some methods of messing with the timeline and other stuff made it so that the Voyager that came back to the Alpha Quadrant was the exact same Voyager that left the Alpha Quadrant Seven years earlier(except Harry Kim and Naiomi(?) Wildman. If the damaged Voyager had blown itself up, that wouldn't have happened.
flickmonger87 9 months ago
@flickmonger87 I thought both Voyagers were the real Voyager, they had the exact same histories save one was horribly damaged, and the other one had a golden opportunity to capture another ship.
I suppose though, the FX ppl probably didn't want to spend the time creating the Vidiian ship for future episodes.
CobaltX07 9 months ago
@CobaltX07 This is an excerpt from the episode descripton that should answer our question:
"Chakotay #2 runs a quantum level analysis on the ship's sensors after they left the plasma drift and hit the spatial turbulence. Torres #2 explains that it was more than just turbulence, it was a divergence field. After the ship left the drift, all sensor readings doubled...every particle of matter was duplicated. The field created another Voyager, occupying the same point in space-time. "
flickmonger87 9 months ago
@flickmonger87 But how do they know which one was the duplicate?
CobaltX07 9 months ago
Again, with the helium voices...
burnstagger 1 year ago
the crew members in the background are like... WTF thanks for telling us you plan to kill us....bitch. LMAO
drockjr 1 year ago 7
Alright my question here is about consciousness.....Do both copies share the same consciousness??? I mean, harry DIED!!!! But then again, they replaced him with himself (the other harry on the other ship) but is he the same? I mean, he couldn't have the same consciousness??? I'm so confused this is like set up for a philosophy class. This episode was great, but it made me have mixed feelings. I felt sorry for the dead crew but then again they lived? =/
TheLuckySaGe 1 year ago
@TheLuckySaGe All of their memories, et all, are exactly the same, barring when the alternate Kim & Naiomi didn't die.
bluenail03 1 year ago
Don't they also need two other high ranking officers to confirm the auto-destruct?
Alkonium 1 year ago 3
@Alkonium Well, the Enterprise-E didn't need it either in Nemesis, but I guess they left that part out mainly because they either didn't care or they just... forgot. :B Or they left it out to not draw it out too long. =/
GeraldRobotnik 1 year ago
@GeraldRobotnik Technically in Nemesis, the auto-destruct wasn't functioning at all, so it would make sense for the computer to inform Picard right after trying to initiate it.
Alkonium 1 year ago
@Alkonium Right, I completely forgot about that.
GeraldRobotnik 1 year ago
technacly voyager was destroyed 7 times before it reached home
bgrs123 1 year ago 38
@bgrs123 it was a rough trip ha ha
Laxn28 1 year ago
@bgrs123 Wasn't one of the times though when it was the duplicate Voyager and crew created on the demon planet in I think season 5?
sneezyize 7 months ago
@sneezyize yeah...but technicly it was from voyager,named voyager and and when destroyed called destruction of voyager
bgrs123 7 months ago
Just listen to her voice when she says "Welcome to he bridge..." perfect undertones for whar she knows is about to happen. Kate Mulgrew FTW
xedalpha1 1 year ago
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MrNickalollyoff 1 year ago 22
@MrNickalollyoff I've always admired Captain Janeway, her willingness to risk her life, and her crew to help other people.
Seattlecarnut 3 months ago
I love this episode, but it's kind'a scary that Janeway can blow up the ship on her own. What if she's having a bad day? "Screw it. Computer, blow up Voyager!" Boom. lol
Frost3784 1 year ago 7
jainway doesnt need the first officerr to blow up the ship?
pokemonaca 1 year ago
Janeway pie
PassiveSmoking 1 year ago 2
i hav watched this so many fucking times
whats so good about it
JakeTheComputerMan 1 year ago
@JakeTheComputerMan People like the concept of the ship being duplicated and the idea that only one can survive.
Frost3784 1 year ago
I used to enjoy this show. Guys, I'm trying to remember what's going on here: Are there 2 voyagers the same one just one is ahead in the future? Or are the Voyagers from 2 different universes?
ACLTony 1 year ago
@ACLTony Voyager flew through a "spatial rift" and matter duplicated, though not anti-matter. Both Voyagers existed at the same place and time. From an outsider, it would look like one ship. Neither Voyager was aware of the other until the two Janeways saw each other on the bridge for a brief moment. It also helped that Kes from the damaged Voyager got bumped to the undamaged Voyager. Both ships were the original and the duplicate which is what makes the episode so interesting.
Frost3784 1 year ago
@Frost3784 - Thanks for that clarification. Now it makes sense. This is sort of reminds me of what happened to Commander Riker in STNG in which he was duplicated, yet both Rikers were originals. One returned to the USS Potemkin and the other remained marooned on a planet for several years.
ACLTony 1 year ago
@ACLTony That TNG episode was "Second Chances." If you liked it, check out the sequel in DS9's third season, "Defiant." It features the Riker clone as part of the Maquis. He steals the Defiant for the Maquis with plans to fight the Cardassians. Unfortunately, DS9 never did a follow up. Jonathan Frakes could have had a recurring role on DS9 as "the other Riker."
Frost3784 1 year ago
@Frost3784 I hate that they made the damaged Voyager survive, though. If the healthy one survived and was never boarded, but instead the damaged one was detected and boarded, they wouldn't have had to send over Harry and Naomi.
adrimare1 1 year ago
This episode was on Spike last week. "Hello. I'm Captain Katherine Janeway. Welcome to the bridge." Loved the slight smirk she had, cause the last laugh was on those damned Vidiians. Lmao!
Hazafan88 1 year ago
The scene is the same as the original version. It's not extended
Jmk1701 1 year ago
how many times has the crew died in this show and wich voyager was destroyed? the original or the copy?
kellyberry 1 year ago
@kellyberry Both Voyagers were the original and the copy, so really... neither ship was the original nor the copy. The idea was that it didn't matter which ship survived so long as one did. I like how it was setting up for the damaged Voyager to be lost, then the undamaged ship is attacked and invaded! Great episode.
Frost3784 1 year ago
I have a kitten, and it calls for my hemoseptemia. Tell my counterpart. He'll understand.
MurnoGladst 1 year ago
Love the somersault move by Harry Kim!
ms9809 1 year ago
What episode is this?!
kingdom2505 1 year ago
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AZCopperMiner 1 year ago
hasn't this "multiple-enterprise" universe thingy been played by this point in time?
spudnutsncoffee 1 year ago
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Wired2X 1 year ago
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asdfgty6 1 year ago
omg, wtf, lol, must see episode
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
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asdfgty6 1 year ago
the early seasons are the best ones!
NagualElias 1 year ago
this is my top 5 voyager episodes
1. Scorpion (who wouldn't put that first?)
2. Night
3. Deadlock (this episode)
4. Unimatrix Zero
5. Endgame
TheCatapultTV 1 year ago
this episode is my favorite of the entire series.
chicagomarchingbands 1 year ago
God,how I wish this series would keep going on.... T_T
Assasinchen2006 1 year ago
"MOVE IT ENSIGN, THAT'S AN ORDER!" XD poor Kim!
rkmugen 1 year ago 4
I watch TOS, didn't see much of the next two, but somehow got hooked on Voyager. The stories were good and I liked the actors ('tho less Neelix woulda been nice).
This episode is my favorite. It's an emotional one.
gensicki 1 year ago
If I was a Harry @ 3:37 I would be like lolwut?
Heretic920 1 year ago
are these the organ-stealing aliens from 'phage'?
ringmaster316ms 1 year ago
@ringmaster316ms No. they are called the Videan. They have a disease called the phage which kills their race. they harvest organs to try and counter act it but have been unsuccesful. voyage battles them on many occasions.
zboi778 1 year ago
@zboi778
you realize even though you answered no, you went on to answer my question to the affirmative?
ringmaster316ms 1 year ago
ok somebody explain was the damge voyager the original or the intact ne i am so confused!!!!
alphaomega312 1 year ago
@alphaomega312
The damaged Voyager was the original since the episode begins on that one.
iloldirl 1 year ago
@iloldirl oh thank you
alphaomega312 1 year ago
Since when does it not require the authorizations of 3 command rank officers to set the self destruct??
Credithelper75 1 year ago
@Credithelper75 when the copmuter knows ur fucked
zboi778 1 year ago
@Credithelper75 If you remember Voyager only had a skeleton crew. Chakotay is a high command officer but he didn't earn it through starfleet remember he was marquis. So he wouldn't have any self destruct commands. the next rank on that ship was Tuvak and he is a Lieutenant. There are no Lt. Commanders on Voyager. So Janeway would be the only one that could self-destruct. No one person should have that power but they were pulled against there will to the delta quadrant at the time being.
Rondu01 1 year ago
@Rondu01 actually Tuvok was a Lt. Commander by the end of the series he was a full commander
smitto21 1 year ago
Always hated this beyotch. Janeway reminds me of Nancy Pelosi.
chodeshadar18 1 year ago
Reminds me of Star Trek 3.
jgkloosterman 1 year ago
didnt kirk destroy the enterprise and beam his crew to the klingon ship and the klingons to enterprise?if only janeway coulda done the same agianst the vedians
kellyberry 1 year ago
Why is the audio so high pitched? It's modulated like a whole step.
iloldirl 1 year ago
@iloldirl - Probably from a PAL source (25 FPS = faster video and audio, thus also higher pitch).
RhXz47rc 1 year ago
welcome to the bridge-boom
that's a boss lady for you.
trekkiegirl62 1 year ago
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metalbloodworlf 1 year ago
MMMMMMMM Janeway pie.
QshesshoumaruQ 1 year ago
Exactly.
HellsOnlyBelle 1 year ago
@QshesshoumaruQ janeway pie
metalbloodworlf 1 year ago
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@QshesshoumaruQ janeway pie
metalbloodworlf 1 year ago
you would of thought that Harry would have got himself one of the tactical pulse phasers instead of the stun one!
JoelThornton1994 1 year ago
My favorite episode.
janeway274 1 year ago
Welcome to the bridge- KABOOM
Fuck yeh.
This episode always confused me. Harry must have felt strange afterwards.
TheFlatypus 2 years ago 50
@TheFlatypus ya and they never mentioned it again. Like the wildman's baby never like said when she grew up "YOUR NOT MY MOTHER!!" *laughs* or the fact that really she wasn't, never came up. It was weird
lyttleton 1 year ago
@TheFlatypus You think Kim felt strange, how do you think Torres, who saw Kim die in deep space, and Samatha Wildman, who saw her own baby die, felt?
It's a shame that they never again touched on the fact that Kim and Naomi are duplicates and not the originals. It's like something out of Fringe.
Uejji 1 year ago
@Uejji I think there was a line or two about Kim in a later episode.
adrimare1 1 year ago
@TheFlatypus Totally agree. Poor Harry must have been more mentally/emotionally challenged after that. I mean, technically HIS ship and HIS crew died.
tweenlove 1 year ago
@TheFlatypus yeah for just like 2 minutes in that episode. I don't think that there is something that happened to any of the Voyager characters that had a lasting effect on them. Things were just passing and going.
PS
WTF! Till now every auto destruction needed the clearance of at least one more crew member. Most of the time the first officer's. Now this bitch authorizes it alone?!
PastitsiosGR 7 months ago
why didn't they just send everyone still alive through the rift? sure, having copies of people on board would be awkward, but it's better than getting blown to hell
AcousticTyGuy 2 years ago
Although I do think the 'welcome to the bridge---BANG!' is pretty badass
AcousticTyGuy 2 years ago 4
That was discussed between the two Janeways earlier in the episode. One of them said doing that would cause both ships to be destroyed.
SMP0328 2 years ago
lol this episode is about alternate realities/universes becoming aware of each other, but yes moving the ship would have ripped apart those grapplers
fluidicmethod 2 years ago
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I can't stand Janeway.
Keoni3535 2 years ago
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What episode was this?
Apollo11222 2 years ago
3:06 DO A FUCKING BARREL ROLL
YungTigreDaKing 2 years ago 3
lmao
freakstate 2 years ago
Whats extended about this if I may ask? I don't remember it being any shorter?
BrachioInGen 2 years ago 3
No I mean I dislike the whole idea of time travel entirely.
transdrole 2 years ago
They should have Fired Chakotay and made Worf the new First Officer of Voyager.
Robert Beltran was vocal about how he disliked Trek. Worf as XO would have been prefect in the last 2 seasons. A Long Range Trasnporter could have used the Hirogen Communicatiosn Relay to send messages and Transporter beams long distance and one way.
Roadracer987654321 2 years ago
I agree. Although i like(d) Bertrams looks he is one bad, lazy and arrogant actor. he could have made so much more out of his role and just bitched around because he didn't get to play the big macho man. Look what picardo made out of his role and what Bertram did the last seasons. He was asleep whenever he had no text, just sitting there looking bored. He was damn well paid for this job and still got this bad attitude. Make me angry *lol* I guess you already figured as much.Don't mean to offend
ItsMe490 2 years ago
You are Totally Right. It was like he just came to work and got his paycheck and then went home ! Did Beltran ever direct an Episode of Voyager ? I know mc"neil directed a few eps. He was a Couch Potato and he was initially meant to be a Han Solo type of Pilot ,etc..
They should have sent Chakotay home thru a Transwarp Wormhole and made Brother Tuvok or Tom Paris into the First Officer. Harry Kim of the former Borg Teenager could have been trained on helm. What a lost Opportunity.
Roadracer987654321 2 years ago
I never liked any Star Trek series dabbling in time travel.
transdrole 2 years ago
This episode had nothing to do with time travel :P
Sextimus23 2 years ago 3
why not, what do you recommend for time travel?
calypsoCRO 2 years ago
This is one of my favorite episodes ever. The writing, the cast, they totally nailed it and brought something uniquely "Voyager"
JKVmanVideo 2 years ago 39
That's one mean Captain Janeway. That's how I like her!
ImperialCommander 2 years ago 5
Take the High Road Chop/Nikki
TruSp0t 2 years ago
janeway likes pie? well you learn somthing new everyday.....
soshowcanihelp 2 years ago
I hate time paradoxes
creynolds2006 2 years ago
"Oh my god, they've killed Kimmy! You bastards!"
merloon 2 years ago
ha south park lol
hdvoyagerfan 2 years ago
strange how when harry is running to sickbay only the top red alert lights are flashing but when he leaves sickbay with the baby both are flashing...
JoelThornton1994 2 years ago
i thought commander and captain have to order the self destruct
TandTProject 2 years ago
thats on a galaxy class starship with auto destruct. as far as i know the reason why this isnt the same on voyager is because its a smaller ship. im not entirely sure though so somebody may know the real reason
JoelThornton1994 2 years ago
Janeways cool, but she talks kinda like a baby.
johnadams8000 2 years ago
Vidians would have liked to see a lot more of them, really creepy characters.
talltom1973 2 years ago
"I'll distory this ship"
i so want to see the look on tovoks face
mafiav2 2 years ago 4
One of Harry's finer moments.
StormWolfJachinDue 2 years ago 4
He doesn't have many as he normally gets the bad end of the stick
odin6616 2 years ago
True.
StormWolfJachinDue 2 years ago
The first officer has to give voice authorization before self destruct can initiate.
Agent2471 2 years ago 3
Typical Brannon Braga mistakes.
FekLeyrTarg 2 years ago
My thoughts exactly.
HellsOnlyBelle 1 year ago
Not at an Intrepid class starship. At Voyager, Chakotay is the first officer and Janeway the captain..
RandoRoller 2 years ago
stupid reset button plots
ancalites 2 years ago 2
Lol, funny comments :)
tIaNnAhRex 2 years ago
This is NOT extended. That's exactly how it happens in the episode. POOR Rating given!
SunfireGTX25 2 years ago
it is extended from other clips.