the tau have nothing to do with what the emperor wanted. The emperor wanted mankind to be the soul ruler of the galaxy by using atheist statement and Imperialism to unit mankind while destroying xeno.
I'm looking forward to reading the entire Horus Heresy collection - although being a massive Leman Russ fanboy... not too worried bout the damn Dark Angels haha!
I went to the bookstore today with the intention of purchasing a Warhammer Fantasy novel actually. But then I noticed that the store had gotten some 40K books as well. My eye caught a particular book, with the peculiar title of "Descent of Angels". Then I cjecked out the artwork and instantly recognised the Dark Angels sigil, being a Dark Angels fanatic no less could be expected of me. Anyone knows if there are more books about the Dark Angels? And is there any chronological order to the series?
@myowngenesis This particular novel deals with the Dark Angels from their earliest days among the Legiones Astartes - part of the Horus Heresy series, it is set 10,000 years before the main Warhammer 40,000 game background. There are many novels in the series, starting with 'Horus Rising'. For more information, check out the BlackLibrary-dot-com website.
@myowngenesis Descent is 6th book in series... but first dedicated to Dark Angels. It is not actually neccesary to read previous books, this one pretty stands on its own and there is 11th book- Fallen Angels, which is continuing of Descent.... and there is a short story in Tales of Heresy, which is also from HH series, but contains short various stories.
@myowngenesis there is a book called "Angels of Darkness" detailing the dark secrets of traitor Dark Angels manipulating loyalists and trapping them on a planet called Piscina. Worth having a look, it's a brilliant book... reveals many secrets to Dark Angel fanatics ^^
As of now there are 2 books about the Dark Angels in the Horus Heresy collection (The Descent of Angels, and The Fallen Angels). There is another book called The Angels of Darkness, but is no longer printed due to the fact that it is a fairly old book. If you have yet to get into the Horus Heresy the first in the collection is "The Horus Rising."
@terror573 awesome! Thanks for the insight. But pretty sad about the Angels of Darkness not being printed any longer though. I'd would very much like to read that one too. I've yet to read Fallen Angels, and am looking forward to it like a kid waiting on a line at a Dinseyland entrance. And I must say I was more than a little intrigued about the Dark Angels being the first Legion to be created by the Emperor when I read the novel this vid's about. You Chaos or Loyal btw? Not that it matters lol
No problem, I've played Warhammer for a few years now and I just recently started reading the novels. However I'm still torn between chaos and the Imperium. I'm not a man who agrees with the total destruction that comes with chaos, but I'm also not too accepting of the emperors decisions. but when ever I field my Dark Angels I always field them as the Fallen.
@terror573 woooooh, you do like to play with darkness. The very reason behind the Dark Angels being so secretive is the fact of those fallen Dark Angels. Now I'm not that well versed in Dark Angel history, apart from the begginings with Lion El Jonson (what a name dude?!) so I cannot say for sure just how many of them are fallen. But judging from their level of dissembling in order of preserving that secret, the numbers must've been huge indeed.
@terror573 But even though I'm a huge Dark Angel fan, I cannot not sympathise with the rebels also. Especially after reading The First Heretic. The second Horus Heresy novel I've read, after Descent of Angels, which was fated to be the very first novel in the series that I got. I'm just a fan btw, I don't own any miniatures, I'm relatively "new" to warhammer, although it's been 6 years and counting that I've bought virtually every White Dwarf number, just to get a whiff at the battle reports.
im at book 4 now(eisenstein-deathguard) and im reading it chronological
but i guess it doesn't matter, cause the heresy books explain the same story from the different views of the different legiones(or important charakters)
@oliverpocherfan lol, no need to excuse anything mate. You're english is more than understandable. So what are you, Chaos or Loyal? Or rather Chaos or Imperial, because Chaos Space Marines are just as lyal to their cause as the "loyal" ones lol...
@myowngenesis LOYAL!!!! BURN THE HERETIC!!!!! :D (but from my political opinion i should be TAU, altough the're dirty xenos and need to be killed XD) and im not sure about LECTIO DIVINITATUS(altough it seems to be true....)
use condoms! the emperor protects! :D
NURGLE nicht rum, sondern iss deine KHORNflakes ;D
@oliverpocherfan Hahaha. nice rant there. I'm loyal too, of a sorts. I do after all identify with the Dark Angels, one of the most fanatically loyal Space Marine Chapters, also being the first Legion to be created by the Emperor. So the Imperium is the faction with whom I'd side, after all it is the Empire of Man, and I'm a part of this species. Which is why I've always resented Chaos for being so treacherous, rather choosing to serve the motives of Chaos daemons. Crazy!
@TheGoldenVegas Then the Chaos gods are the dumb ones, instead of simply stopping fighting to block his foresight they sure of stopped fighting and just blown him to pieces, a lot more of a fool proof plan
@Sargeasaurus maybe he has. i thought about it since i have readed the 7th book of the Horus Heresy. The Eldar there has seen that if Horus wins the Imperium of man would be fall, but not been corupted by Chaos completely, and otherwise the Imperium would grow up and slowly been corupted by chaos so that the other races would die in the following centurys. Just a thought of mine. Sorry for my bad english (<german)
@NoLiveking87 I know in legion the Cabel talk about that, and theres a reference to the cabel in the warhammer fantasy battle books ive read, i think it had something to do with lizardmen, this combined with the fact that i never trust anyone makes me wonder what the cabel are and that they may of planned to tell the alpha legion that they must fight the emporer to stop chaos becoming stronger but that the cabel may actually be on the chaos side, thats my main thought on it.
@NoLiveking87 You might want to read the book Legion. The Cabal also forsaw the Heresy and warned the alpha legion (Alpahrius Omegon). This is what I would call a tragic event. To side with Chaos to save mankind...
@Sargeasaurus I believe that he did forsee the heresy. For 300 years, the emperor personally led his Space Marines on the Great Crusade. As his Primarchs were rediscovered, those legions spawned from their Primarchs geneseed continued with their legions to fight for the reunification of humanity. Suddenly and without explanation, the emperor returned to Terra and recalled at least two legions to fortify the defenses of Earth. He did not explain why to anyone, including his Warmaster.
Also it doesnt matter if the Thousand sons change before or after the wolves struck. Magus got the power to save them from a chaos god damning them. He then excepted the power of a warp entity to break into a webway to reach terra and warn the emperor about Horus. He was obsessed with the warp and did'nt believe the warnings from the emperor. He thought he was stronger than them. Not even the Emperor is able to beat chaos alone. He later relized his mistake and let the wolves strike.
The impression I get is that the Emperor is battling the chaos gods and the best way to do this is by weakening them. We know they fear him based on comments in False Gods and they get strengh from the warp. His plan is to rid humanitys need to use/tap in to the imaterium weakening them. The insight that Russ sees the true purpose of the Primarchs and what role they will play in the new imperium was great.
@mechislander Wasnt it First Chaplain Erebus?, once he found there were actual gods he pretty much single-handedly engineered the entire heresy, as much as i hate him for that, he did a fucking good job.
@CrushedByATank Erebus helped Kor Phaeron, but [HERE ON BE more SPOILERS] Kor Phaeron allowed heretical beliefs to remain on planets that the Word Bearers had conquered, because he saw similarities between them and Colchis's Old Faith.
@Ilissill his body has become a fleshy skeleton (in artwork i have seen his decaying skull) however he is definatly alive, he can stop time and talk to people without anyone else being aware of it (he did it to an inquisitor) and can never really die as thousands of psychic humans are sacrificed to keep him alive and keep the astronomon active (a giant light of souls that guides human space travel)
he may not of been relegious but he is definatly a god know, even chaos gods fears him
One of the best in the series so far. I felt the full gambit of emotions for the Word Bearers. This was a very well put-together book. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
The problem the Emperor had with the Word Bearers is that they worshiped him as a God when he wanted Humanity to think by rational reasoning than fanatical religion. I think that the Emperor of Mankind is disgusted by how the Imperium is now in the 41st Millenium and is sad at what he could not accomplish.
@dimitri1282 hhmmmm...i´d say it was Fulgrim, but i´m aware of the fact that this is a question of definition as well. Was Lorgar the first heretic and then influenced Horus?Or is it Horus for turning against the Emperor?^^
If you take it literary then the first heretic is Kor Phaeron and the second Erebus. If you talk about Primarchs then first to fall was Lorgar and then Fulgrim (if you follow the timeline) but not entirely heretic more like a daemon's pawn.
serious fan of the warhammer40k books, never played the game but the story line is intense and massively expansive, I really enjoy reading these books and can't wait to get the First Heretic :) since I currently own Horus Rising and A Thousand Sons
just finished reading this book recently.I would love to see the character of Argel Tal in future Horus Heresy stories.To me,he is perhaps one of the most interesting character in the series
@ayemeharty are u kidding me this book had very little if anything to do with prospero all prospero burns is about is some guy that i have never heard of before named argel tal if u can explain to me his signifacance to the heresy
@elvinbloodgod The book was not set to be about Prospero. It was written to provide insight on the 6th Legion (Space Wolves).
"SPOILERS"
The book shows us what makes them tick through the eyes of a man who is VERY SIGNIFICANT to the heresy. Through him the death penalty for the thousand sons is decided. He is very much important.
Though the first heretic is really good and really impressed me. I like both of them :)
@elvinbloodgod But it influenced the council of nikea's decision. If the thousand sons were not decided upon as traitors, they would have remained loyal and maybe the emperor would still be alive right now. I think that the "spy" hoax (enacted by none other than a daemon) was what led to the emp's final decision. 1 more loyal legion could have changed the outcome of the heresy .........
@ayemeharty the thousand sons were screwed from the start turning to chaos was the only choice magnus had or he could watch his beloved legion be destroyed from mutation or from leman russ and his wolves so the council of nikea is moot for the thousand sons they were dead men walking
@elvinbloodgod They were kind of actually controlling the mutation ("cough" Magnus' eye lost in a deal to control it "cough"). But it does mention in Prospero Burns that if they were not declared traitors they would never have fallen.......
And IIRC Magnus actually let Russ destroy some of his legion so he wouldn't be able to participate on their side in the heresy.............
@ayemeharty thats probably true but im sure u read the book thousand sons mutation was breaking out rapidly even if they didnt fall to chaos the legion would have been consumed by mutation eventualy
@ayemeharty no he couldnt have he would still be mortaly wounded by horus on his ship u have to face the truth the thousand sons were doomed even before they were a legion
@elvinbloodgod But this goes against the truth revealed by the Horus thing at the ending of Prospero Burns. The warp powers knew that if Nikea had not voted against the Thousand Sons Horus would have lost as it is stated that the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves were the 2 most powerful legions in the Heresy.
So where would be a good starting point in the sea of books about Warhammer 40k? I was hooked by the games and now I want to read more about it. I am an imperial guard fan at heart, but the space marines are just too bad ass to pass up. Any recommendations?
@2oneessay I started with horus rising, then false gods, followed by galaxy in flames. They start off with The legions being loyal and then gradually descending and turning to chaos. I havent finished the series yet but have most of them sitting waiting to be read.
I'm lookign forward to Age of Darkness but am a little shaky on Garro pt. 1 and 2. Plus with Horus' age of genocide and sacrifice the battle of terra cannot be too far ahead. Dan Abnett better write it though, It began with him, it will end with him. I do wish they make novels on the Iron warriors attack on Olympia and the lesser known plights of the Alpha Legion against the other legions. They can hold this torch a bit longer before it hits the end, Battle for Terra can be two parts too!
Love the way that Dawn of War II music is playing in the background. Loved the music, didn't like the game that much (sure, the models and the atmosphere was great, but the gameplay sucked arse).
need help for the 4th book beside hes right side of the head, i have 3 which are helsreach,the hunt for voldorius and ryyn's world.Can anyone tell me the name of the fourth book?thanks
I still don't understand why the emperor could have just told him to stop it in a nice way but noooo he has to burn an entire city and make himself just as bad
@bythebloodofheroes7 think of it as a tool for displaying the emperor's mortality. He gets so frustrated with Lorgar that he has a city wiped out. On a very profound level this is some way of disproving the emperor's divinity to Lorgar. It's a cleverly written few chapters. If anyone finds this a spoiler don't worry. It's the first 30 pages of the book.
Just because a Daemon told the Word Bearers that the Emperor made a deal with chaos, doesnt me he really did. Daemons lie to fulfill their purpose, they do deceive mankind (and more easily fanatics ;) ). We all know the emperor's view about the warp, so we all know he wouldnt do it. Besided he was/is the most powerful individual and the most knowledgable, i am pretty sure he already knew how to create the primarchs.
There is a speculation that a part of the Emperor's soul is drifting in the warp waiting to be reborn as another chaos god or that he will ascent to Godhood and battle the 4 Chaos Gods, but not as a chaos god himself. That is the starchild theory iirc. My opinion is that after 10.000 years of worship, either by pure faith or fear, would cause the colective mind of humans to raise the emperor into a real god.
Then the First Heretic changes everything. Blind Faith in a possible deception of the grandest proportion or receiving/accepting the primordial truth and possibly damning your soul. What a choice to make?
Just finished it. Thanks for taking us back to the beginning. I wanted so hard to believe but the truth about the empire is finally revealed. I started my journey with Ragnar and the Space Wolves then the I started the Horus Heresy, then as I was waiting for more books of the heresy to come out I took the journey of Uriel and the Ultra Marines and the faith increased. Still waiting for more Heresy I took the Journey to the Grey Nights and faith was cemented with their utter devotion.
@crazy4sian lol! C'mon, he done a deal with Chaos for the knowledge with which to create the Primarchs then pulled out when he had been gifted the information and surrounded the 'birthroom' in a geller field so they couldn't take back what they had given him. Dirty tactics. Then sent old Roboute to destroy a place of serenity and beauty that Lorgar had created for people to worship him ( the God-Emperor ) then deemed Lorgar a failure for creating when he should of been destroying. Damn Him!!
I'm not really a warhammer fan, but I know the author (personally) and I know he makes some kick ass writing. So i'm wondering if its something that would be awesome to read in the hands of someone out of touch with the whole...um universe.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the soldiers in the computer art are Adeptus Custodes. I haven't read the book yet, so don't tell me if the answer will spoil the story, but why are the Custodian Guard on the front cover of a book about the Word Bearers?
@comingdarkness27 As per the preview extract which was available some months ago, the Adeptus Custodes are assigned to watch over the Word Bearers after the Emperor and Guilliman bring them to heel.
I read a preview of the book. (Not the actual book). In this preview Guiliman confronts Lorgar on what appears to be a ruined world. The word bears have been shamed by the emperor for....something. Guiliman tells Lorgar that the emperor has ordered 20 Custodes to watch over the word bearers as they rejoin the great crusade. Lorgar reluctantly accepts. So we know the answer to that question.
A Night Lords horus heresy novel must be done. They are the epitome of evil. Got this one going to start it once I have finished 'A Thousand Sons', which has been the best one so far.
There is an audio book entitled "The Dark King". It tells of preheresy Konrad Kurze.
SPOILER (Read at your own peril)
Faced with charges of slaughtering of innocents and striking a brother primarch. Konrad Kurze is arrested by the Imperial Fists. But Konrad Kurze is plagued by horrific visions of the future. He quickly escapes and returns to his homeworld Nostramo to "restore order".
got this book 4 days ago. And I can say: I JUST COULDNT leave the book!
To everyone who Consider buying this: Dont hesitate, BUY IT.
Aaron Dembski-Bowden. You are one of the best authors i've seen since Dan Abnett and Graham McNeill. Love your Night Lords novels as well. Await the new one with great hopes. I HOPE you will be the one who write the Horus Heresy on how the Night Lords fell. (As for your Night Lord audio book, PLZ MAKE a normal book of it!)
I dont think you can really say the Emperor is WRONG about the Chaos gods. I mean its said he always knew about them and by acknowledging them and abolishing the worship of entities and chaos gods (Or whatever guise they went by upon enlightenment) they can be weakened. His grand plan was in theory to conquer the material universe before moving into the beyond.
chaos is a shitty "religion" which enslaves you to your own emotions which YOU help create (khorne war and rage, slaanesh excess and pleasure). like being a servant to your little kid. your insane, malicious, little kid.
I think the irony that's being hinted at, is that the Emperor, for all his devotion to secular humanism, is *wrong* in that there are terrible forces beyond recognition beyond just the scientific.
In addition, mankind's faith in the Emperor as a God, false though it may be, is *literally* the only small spark of hope for humanity in the 41st Millenium. Just ask the Grey Knights.
@manwiththemachinegun True, everyone in the imperium was ignorant of these psychic beings being now called "gods" to put it simply. Pretty much the story is a tragic one and there is not much that can be said other than that is: What we know is the unknown and undiscovered, and the certainty that we are uncertain about what is beyond our borders.
@cmstophe Yes. You "see" it happen. You find out ALOT in this book, about the lost legions, the truth of how the Primarchs were created/corrupted. How Slanessh was truly "born" and loads more. =P
An empire built on lies?why is he denouncing games workshop
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TheWarbossGorgutz 1 month ago
the tau have nothing to do with what the emperor wanted. The emperor wanted mankind to be the soul ruler of the galaxy by using atheist statement and Imperialism to unit mankind while destroying xeno.
jmcqueen80 1 month ago
suffer not the heretic the xenos the mutant.
bolloxfrollox 1 month ago
u should read about the night lords they are cooler
NightnGales 3 months ago
if only the emperor had listend
kylemonkey55 4 months ago
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lambdacstrikesback 4 months ago
The only book series worth being late to work for because one stays up all night and can't put it down.
LoboyCoolers 4 months ago
I'm looking forward to reading the entire Horus Heresy collection - although being a massive Leman Russ fanboy... not too worried bout the damn Dark Angels haha!
BigJaseNZ 4 months ago
I didn't really like this book. Lorgar is a MASSIVE hypocrite and whiny douchebag.
Jc40k1 4 months ago
The age of the False Emperor is over at last.
agge141 5 months ago
Death to the False God!
halosk66 5 months ago
The Trailer uses the Eldar Theme in Dawn of War 2.
-_-
Dinyang 5 months ago
I would never sell my soul thats giving up I WILL FIGHT LIKE BRAVE HEART!!! FREEDOM!!!
drakozero8 5 months ago
I went to the bookstore today with the intention of purchasing a Warhammer Fantasy novel actually. But then I noticed that the store had gotten some 40K books as well. My eye caught a particular book, with the peculiar title of "Descent of Angels". Then I cjecked out the artwork and instantly recognised the Dark Angels sigil, being a Dark Angels fanatic no less could be expected of me. Anyone knows if there are more books about the Dark Angels? And is there any chronological order to the series?
myowngenesis 6 months ago
@myowngenesis This particular novel deals with the Dark Angels from their earliest days among the Legiones Astartes - part of the Horus Heresy series, it is set 10,000 years before the main Warhammer 40,000 game background. There are many novels in the series, starting with 'Horus Rising'. For more information, check out the BlackLibrary-dot-com website.
BlackLibraryTV 6 months ago 4
@myowngenesis Descent is 6th book in series... but first dedicated to Dark Angels. It is not actually neccesary to read previous books, this one pretty stands on its own and there is 11th book- Fallen Angels, which is continuing of Descent.... and there is a short story in Tales of Heresy, which is also from HH series, but contains short various stories.
makakooos 5 months ago
@myowngenesis there is a book called "Angels of Darkness" detailing the dark secrets of traitor Dark Angels manipulating loyalists and trapping them on a planet called Piscina. Worth having a look, it's a brilliant book... reveals many secrets to Dark Angel fanatics ^^
waikintsui304 4 months ago
@waikintsui304 thank you for the insight. I'll check it out at the earliest opportunity=)
myowngenesis 4 months ago
@myowngenesis
As of now there are 2 books about the Dark Angels in the Horus Heresy collection (The Descent of Angels, and The Fallen Angels). There is another book called The Angels of Darkness, but is no longer printed due to the fact that it is a fairly old book. If you have yet to get into the Horus Heresy the first in the collection is "The Horus Rising."
terror573 4 months ago
@terror573 awesome! Thanks for the insight. But pretty sad about the Angels of Darkness not being printed any longer though. I'd would very much like to read that one too. I've yet to read Fallen Angels, and am looking forward to it like a kid waiting on a line at a Dinseyland entrance. And I must say I was more than a little intrigued about the Dark Angels being the first Legion to be created by the Emperor when I read the novel this vid's about. You Chaos or Loyal btw? Not that it matters lol
myowngenesis 4 months ago
@myowngenesis
No problem, I've played Warhammer for a few years now and I just recently started reading the novels. However I'm still torn between chaos and the Imperium. I'm not a man who agrees with the total destruction that comes with chaos, but I'm also not too accepting of the emperors decisions. but when ever I field my Dark Angels I always field them as the Fallen.
terror573 4 months ago
@terror573 woooooh, you do like to play with darkness. The very reason behind the Dark Angels being so secretive is the fact of those fallen Dark Angels. Now I'm not that well versed in Dark Angel history, apart from the begginings with Lion El Jonson (what a name dude?!) so I cannot say for sure just how many of them are fallen. But judging from their level of dissembling in order of preserving that secret, the numbers must've been huge indeed.
myowngenesis 4 months ago
@terror573 But even though I'm a huge Dark Angel fan, I cannot not sympathise with the rebels also. Especially after reading The First Heretic. The second Horus Heresy novel I've read, after Descent of Angels, which was fated to be the very first novel in the series that I got. I'm just a fan btw, I don't own any miniatures, I'm relatively "new" to warhammer, although it's been 6 years and counting that I've bought virtually every White Dwarf number, just to get a whiff at the battle reports.
myowngenesis 4 months ago
@myowngenesis
im at book 4 now(eisenstein-deathguard) and im reading it chronological
but i guess it doesn't matter, cause the heresy books explain the same story from the different views of the different legiones(or important charakters)
excuse my english :D
oliverpocherfan 4 months ago
@oliverpocherfan lol, no need to excuse anything mate. You're english is more than understandable. So what are you, Chaos or Loyal? Or rather Chaos or Imperial, because Chaos Space Marines are just as lyal to their cause as the "loyal" ones lol...
Peace
myowngenesis 4 months ago
@myowngenesis LOYAL!!!! BURN THE HERETIC!!!!! :D (but from my political opinion i should be TAU, altough the're dirty xenos and need to be killed XD) and im not sure about LECTIO DIVINITATUS(altough it seems to be true....)
use condoms! the emperor protects! :D
NURGLE nicht rum, sondern iss deine KHORNflakes ;D
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oliverpocherfan 4 months ago
@oliverpocherfan Hahaha. nice rant there. I'm loyal too, of a sorts. I do after all identify with the Dark Angels, one of the most fanatically loyal Space Marine Chapters, also being the first Legion to be created by the Emperor. So the Imperium is the faction with whom I'd side, after all it is the Empire of Man, and I'm a part of this species. Which is why I've always resented Chaos for being so treacherous, rather choosing to serve the motives of Chaos daemons. Crazy!
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myowngenesis 4 months ago
@oliverpocherfan to be honest the tau are doing what the emperor of mankind was doing at first
MrSuzukahime 2 months ago
The Horus Heresy is an awesome book series! The great thing about it is that at the moment it seems to not have an ending
caliace81 2 months ago in playlist Misc
@myowngenesis just google "wh40k.lexicanum" a kind of 40k wiki and you will find the answer to all your questions regarding 40k. regards
hexalion 2 months ago
@hexalion wow.. thank you so much friend.
Emperor protect you.. well if you're a rebel then.. whatever dude lol
thanks anyway, and happy new year=)
myowngenesis 2 months ago
Interesting.
DarthRalek 6 months ago
Read it, Probably one of the best books iv read in the series so far, next to Fulgrim, and the first three
HellgateCA 6 months ago
If the Emperor is so smart and allmighty then how come he didnt see the huge heresy brewing up?
Sargeasaurus 7 months ago
@Sargeasaurus All 4 Chaos gods devoted thier power and stopped the great game to blind the emperor's foresight about this.
TheGoldenVegas 7 months ago
@TheGoldenVegas Then the Chaos gods are the dumb ones, instead of simply stopping fighting to block his foresight they sure of stopped fighting and just blown him to pieces, a lot more of a fool proof plan
zinotheimmortal 7 months ago
@zinotheimmortal Funny part was it took all 4 of them to blind him xD
TheGoldenVegas 7 months ago
@TheGoldenVegas yeah, four gods just to fool one man, thats pretty bad for "supreme beings"
zinotheimmortal 7 months ago
@Sargeasaurus maybe he has. i thought about it since i have readed the 7th book of the Horus Heresy. The Eldar there has seen that if Horus wins the Imperium of man would be fall, but not been corupted by Chaos completely, and otherwise the Imperium would grow up and slowly been corupted by chaos so that the other races would die in the following centurys. Just a thought of mine. Sorry for my bad english (<german)
NoLiveking87 6 months ago
@NoLiveking87 I know in legion the Cabel talk about that, and theres a reference to the cabel in the warhammer fantasy battle books ive read, i think it had something to do with lizardmen, this combined with the fact that i never trust anyone makes me wonder what the cabel are and that they may of planned to tell the alpha legion that they must fight the emporer to stop chaos becoming stronger but that the cabel may actually be on the chaos side, thats my main thought on it.
Sargeasaurus 6 months ago
@Sargeasaurus Interesting point. But i think, unfortunaly we will never find out the truth.^^
NoLiveking87 6 months ago
@NoLiveking87 That sucks, might start writing my own warhammer book just so i can make up the answers for myself
Sargeasaurus 6 months ago
@Sargeasaurus Read Soul Hunter. it reveals that not all of the chapters who turned during the heresy follow chaos.
void7889 6 months ago
@void7889 cool, i havent read nearly enough of the books so im a bit behind on the background knowledge
Sargeasaurus 6 months ago
@NoLiveking87 You might want to read the book Legion. The Cabal also forsaw the Heresy and warned the alpha legion (Alpahrius Omegon). This is what I would call a tragic event. To side with Chaos to save mankind...
happytravelling 5 months ago
@Sargeasaurus I believe that he did forsee the heresy. For 300 years, the emperor personally led his Space Marines on the Great Crusade. As his Primarchs were rediscovered, those legions spawned from their Primarchs geneseed continued with their legions to fight for the reunification of humanity. Suddenly and without explanation, the emperor returned to Terra and recalled at least two legions to fortify the defenses of Earth. He did not explain why to anyone, including his Warmaster.
happytravelling 5 months ago
@happytravelling rather the Anathema personally led etc etc.. =)
myowngenesis 5 months ago
"The only time a daemon speaks the truth is when he knows no one will believe him"
im2randomghgh 7 months ago 3
Also it doesnt matter if the Thousand sons change before or after the wolves struck. Magus got the power to save them from a chaos god damning them. He then excepted the power of a warp entity to break into a webway to reach terra and warn the emperor about Horus. He was obsessed with the warp and did'nt believe the warnings from the emperor. He thought he was stronger than them. Not even the Emperor is able to beat chaos alone. He later relized his mistake and let the wolves strike.
corbanb5 7 months ago
The impression I get is that the Emperor is battling the chaos gods and the best way to do this is by weakening them. We know they fear him based on comments in False Gods and they get strengh from the warp. His plan is to rid humanitys need to use/tap in to the imaterium weakening them. The insight that Russ sees the true purpose of the Primarchs and what role they will play in the new imperium was great.
corbanb5 7 months ago
film material much? come on GW you know you want to.
DRAGLORD11 7 months ago
This was one the best books out of the series so far, it was a great first novel from Aaron Dembski-Bowden and I cant wait to read more.
Tuberuser187 7 months ago
Kor Phaeron did it!
mechislander 7 months ago
@mechislander Wasnt it First Chaplain Erebus?, once he found there were actual gods he pretty much single-handedly engineered the entire heresy, as much as i hate him for that, he did a fucking good job.
CrushedByATank 7 months ago
@CrushedByATank Erebus helped Kor Phaeron, but [HERE ON BE more SPOILERS] Kor Phaeron allowed heretical beliefs to remain on planets that the Word Bearers had conquered, because he saw similarities between them and Colchis's Old Faith.
mechislander 7 months ago
Anybody know the song thats playing?
stgoodson3 7 months ago
@stgoodson3
It's Khaine's Wrath from the Dawn of War II soundtrack by Doyle W. Donehoo. As far as I could discern though.
TroonStaal 7 months ago
Is the Emperor dead in warhammer 40k or is he just disfigured by horus and still on his throne?
Ilissill 8 months ago
@Ilissill He is mortally wounded and dying on his throne. More and more becoming like a God. Chaos already calls him the corpse emperor.
FalseHell 8 months ago
@Ilissill his body has become a fleshy skeleton (in artwork i have seen his decaying skull) however he is definatly alive, he can stop time and talk to people without anyone else being aware of it (he did it to an inquisitor) and can never really die as thousands of psychic humans are sacrificed to keep him alive and keep the astronomon active (a giant light of souls that guides human space travel)
he may not of been relegious but he is definatly a god know, even chaos gods fears him
Tommonius 8 months ago
his night lord books are kickass
TheSonsofHorusx 8 months ago
One of the best in the series so far. I felt the full gambit of emotions for the Word Bearers. This was a very well put-together book. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
nergalk 8 months ago
Dis book needz more WAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
nightcrawler7700 8 months ago
@nightcrawler7700 Oh the immense grammatical errors that book would have if they had a book with them orks in!
Tarik360 8 months ago
The problem the Emperor had with the Word Bearers is that they worshiped him as a God when he wanted Humanity to think by rational reasoning than fanatical religion. I think that the Emperor of Mankind is disgusted by how the Imperium is now in the 41st Millenium and is sad at what he could not accomplish.
BlackDeathViral03 9 months ago
the emperor was obviously the one who "disliked" this video!
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asolitarymr 10 months ago
who was the second heretic?
dimitri1282 10 months ago 13
@dimitri1282 hhmmmm...i´d say it was Fulgrim, but i´m aware of the fact that this is a question of definition as well. Was Lorgar the first heretic and then influenced Horus?Or is it Horus for turning against the Emperor?^^
TheHornedOne1297 9 months ago
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Bodhisattvan 9 months ago
@TheHornedOne1297
If you take it literary then the first heretic is Kor Phaeron and the second Erebus. If you talk about Primarchs then first to fall was Lorgar and then Fulgrim (if you follow the timeline) but not entirely heretic more like a daemon's pawn.
Bodhisattvan 9 months ago
@dimitri1282 Bob, the Space Marine of accounting.
NexusARC 6 months ago
serious fan of the warhammer40k books, never played the game but the story line is intense and massively expansive, I really enjoy reading these books and can't wait to get the First Heretic :) since I currently own Horus Rising and A Thousand Sons
GundamJuggalo 10 months ago
BURRNNNNNNNN HERETICS
klementin16 10 months ago
just finished reading this book recently.I would love to see the character of Argel Tal in future Horus Heresy stories.To me,he is perhaps one of the most interesting character in the series
MrGontex 10 months ago
the first heretic is by far the best ever horus heresy book the other books pale in comparison compared to this
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod Read Prospero Burns :) . Though this is a really really good book.
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty are u kidding me this book had very little if anything to do with prospero all prospero burns is about is some guy that i have never heard of before named argel tal if u can explain to me his signifacance to the heresy
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod The book was not set to be about Prospero. It was written to provide insight on the 6th Legion (Space Wolves).
"SPOILERS"
The book shows us what makes them tick through the eyes of a man who is VERY SIGNIFICANT to the heresy. Through him the death penalty for the thousand sons is decided. He is very much important.
Though the first heretic is really good and really impressed me. I like both of them :)
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty he only effected prospero nothing else
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod But it influenced the council of nikea's decision. If the thousand sons were not decided upon as traitors, they would have remained loyal and maybe the emperor would still be alive right now. I think that the "spy" hoax (enacted by none other than a daemon) was what led to the emp's final decision. 1 more loyal legion could have changed the outcome of the heresy .........
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty there are some legions that just couldnt be saved like the world eaters and the nightlords
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod Very true. But I was talking about the thousand sons only .The loyalists could have appreciated some most needed help on Terra :)
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty the thousand sons were screwed from the start turning to chaos was the only choice magnus had or he could watch his beloved legion be destroyed from mutation or from leman russ and his wolves so the council of nikea is moot for the thousand sons they were dead men walking
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod They were kind of actually controlling the mutation ("cough" Magnus' eye lost in a deal to control it "cough"). But it does mention in Prospero Burns that if they were not declared traitors they would never have fallen.......
And IIRC Magnus actually let Russ destroy some of his legion so he wouldn't be able to participate on their side in the heresy.............
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty they werent controlling it tzeentch was
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod But it seems Magnus temporarily solved it by selling his eye......
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty at most he delayed the inevitable
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod But the Horus thing does say that the thousand sons would NEVER have fallen to chaos if the wolves had not attacked them.....
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty thats probably true but im sure u read the book thousand sons mutation was breaking out rapidly even if they didnt fall to chaos the legion would have been consumed by mutation eventualy
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod Could be....but maybe the emperor could have helped?
ayemeharty 10 months ago
@ayemeharty no he couldnt have he would still be mortaly wounded by horus on his ship u have to face the truth the thousand sons were doomed even before they were a legion
elvinbloodgod 10 months ago
@elvinbloodgod But this goes against the truth revealed by the Horus thing at the ending of Prospero Burns. The warp powers knew that if Nikea had not voted against the Thousand Sons Horus would have lost as it is stated that the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves were the 2 most powerful legions in the Heresy.
ayemeharty 10 months ago
So where would be a good starting point in the sea of books about Warhammer 40k? I was hooked by the games and now I want to read more about it. I am an imperial guard fan at heart, but the space marines are just too bad ass to pass up. Any recommendations?
2oneessay 10 months ago
@2oneessay I started with horus rising, then false gods, followed by galaxy in flames. They start off with The legions being loyal and then gradually descending and turning to chaos. I havent finished the series yet but have most of them sitting waiting to be read.
luckycharms1978 10 months ago
@2oneessay I'd Say Horus Rising or well The First Heretic.
TheGoldenVegas 7 months ago
This was the first Warhammer 40000 book ive read and it is AMAZING! Im currentyl reading Helsreach bythis author and its worth every sent :)
1WatchesuSleep 10 months ago
great book thanks you had wanted some way of know how it all started cheers
GrumpyMister 10 months ago
Damn straight this has 0 dislikes
Plife30 10 months ago
I read through it, couldnt put it down for 3 days, I have to say id put this one up there with horus rising and Fulgrim,
HellgateCA 11 months ago
@thFoilGuy I'd expect the battle for terra to be at least 2 books if not more, showing the viewpoints of several differant characters.
mat4909 11 months ago
@mat4909 including Kharn !
HellgateCA 11 months ago
Aaahhh i h8 books !!! make movie !!!
shadow123474 11 months ago
@shadow123474 You must of never went to school, sad uneducated little boy..
Russianppshfun 11 months ago
I'm lookign forward to Age of Darkness but am a little shaky on Garro pt. 1 and 2. Plus with Horus' age of genocide and sacrifice the battle of terra cannot be too far ahead. Dan Abnett better write it though, It began with him, it will end with him. I do wish they make novels on the Iron warriors attack on Olympia and the lesser known plights of the Alpha Legion against the other legions. They can hold this torch a bit longer before it hits the end, Battle for Terra can be two parts too!
TheFoilGuy 11 months ago
@TheFoilGuy
I doubt they will be wrapping things up just yet. Not with the money they must be making - simple economics. Money for the Money God!
Plife30 10 months ago
Red Dwarf on your bookshelf, +1 to you sir
Razuki 11 months ago
helsreach was such an amazing book
irocladdreadnought 11 months ago
I want movies of all 40k books
kvarntobben 1 year ago
Totally love the book and still hate Lorgar and Erebus :)
makakooos 1 year ago
@makakooos Like Lorgar... he would've never been corrupted it Erebus or Kor Phorean weren't there. Same goes with Mortarion with Typhus....
TheGoldenVegas 7 months ago
Warhammer is for child groomers
123jamesbarnes 1 year ago
this book is beyond great. Dembski-Bowden is a genius.
ArmenSur 1 year ago 3
DoW II music! Nice!
KornSarum 1 year ago
Aaron DembskiBowden is a god....i brought this book today and i am half way through it....
blackrider42 1 year ago
I LOVED THIS BOOK!!! cant wait til ive read all the series xD
BobbyMan21 1 year ago
Love the way that Dawn of War II music is playing in the background. Loved the music, didn't like the game that much (sure, the models and the atmosphere was great, but the gameplay sucked arse).
JinRenegade 1 year ago
Just ordered it today!
tr4d3m4rk44 1 year ago
like the red dwarf dvd's in background
YoJimBoHugabaJoe 1 year ago
need help for the 4th book beside hes right side of the head, i have 3 which are helsreach,the hunt for voldorius and ryyn's world.Can anyone tell me the name of the fourth book?thanks
Cabose117711 1 year ago
read this book a few weeks ago, absolutly amazing book :) definatly recommended!
RAswinglifeaway 1 year ago
I still don't understand why the emperor could have just told him to stop it in a nice way but noooo he has to burn an entire city and make himself just as bad
bythebloodofheroes7 1 year ago
@bythebloodofheroes7 think of it as a tool for displaying the emperor's mortality. He gets so frustrated with Lorgar that he has a city wiped out. On a very profound level this is some way of disproving the emperor's divinity to Lorgar. It's a cleverly written few chapters. If anyone finds this a spoiler don't worry. It's the first 30 pages of the book.
madinchtslave101 1 year ago
@madinchtslave101 true
bythebloodofheroes7 1 year ago
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machine3589 1 year ago
where can i find those novels and where can i bought them all by order
00Partyfox00 1 year ago
@00Partyfox00 from the official website - it's named at the end of the trailer.
ShroudFilm 1 year ago
@ShroudFilm thaks man
People thumbs up if you want me to lead a project in a dawn of war game
just need the support ive already got the ideas and stuff please help get to the game devellopers and managers
00Partyfox00 1 year ago 3
Im reading the book as we speack...So far so epic!
lordgluzman 1 year ago
Just because a Daemon told the Word Bearers that the Emperor made a deal with chaos, doesnt me he really did. Daemons lie to fulfill their purpose, they do deceive mankind (and more easily fanatics ;) ). We all know the emperor's view about the warp, so we all know he wouldnt do it. Besided he was/is the most powerful individual and the most knowledgable, i am pretty sure he already knew how to create the primarchs.
Bodhisattvan 1 year ago 31
@Bodhisattvan this is exactly what crosed my mind when I read this passage. Can this be true? Or is the Daemon lying, which is quite probable.
Tapout2GJJ 1 year ago
@Bodhisattvan
There is speculation that the Emperor IS a choas god. Take a look at Malal
ultramarinemat 9 months ago
@ultramarinemat
There is a speculation that a part of the Emperor's soul is drifting in the warp waiting to be reborn as another chaos god or that he will ascent to Godhood and battle the 4 Chaos Gods, but not as a chaos god himself. That is the starchild theory iirc. My opinion is that after 10.000 years of worship, either by pure faith or fear, would cause the colective mind of humans to raise the emperor into a real god.
Bodhisattvan 9 months ago
@Bodhisattvan That would be awesome
0wninwhilez0nin 9 months ago
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@Bodhisattvan
to quote: im2randomghgh
"The only time a daemon speaks the truth is when he knows no one will believe him"
What space marine would in their right mind believe the emperor being a bad guy:P
Raistling89 6 months ago
Then the First Heretic changes everything. Blind Faith in a possible deception of the grandest proportion or receiving/accepting the primordial truth and possibly damning your soul. What a choice to make?
only1donjohn 1 year ago
Just finished it. Thanks for taking us back to the beginning. I wanted so hard to believe but the truth about the empire is finally revealed. I started my journey with Ragnar and the Space Wolves then the I started the Horus Heresy, then as I was waiting for more books of the heresy to come out I took the journey of Uriel and the Ultra Marines and the faith increased. Still waiting for more Heresy I took the Journey to the Grey Nights and faith was cemented with their utter devotion.
only1donjohn 1 year ago
Read this book in one day. Just couldn't put it down. Kinda made me hate the Emperor after it.
trurealest 1 year ago
@trurealest HERETIC! Explain your treachery!
crazy4sian 1 year ago
@crazy4sian lol! C'mon, he done a deal with Chaos for the knowledge with which to create the Primarchs then pulled out when he had been gifted the information and surrounded the 'birthroom' in a geller field so they couldn't take back what they had given him. Dirty tactics. Then sent old Roboute to destroy a place of serenity and beauty that Lorgar had created for people to worship him ( the God-Emperor ) then deemed Lorgar a failure for creating when he should of been destroying. Damn Him!!
trurealest 1 year ago 3
This is insanely epic for a video about a book :P
I'm not really a warhammer fan, but I know the author (personally) and I know he makes some kick ass writing. So i'm wondering if its something that would be awesome to read in the hands of someone out of touch with the whole...um universe.
Arksimon2k 1 year ago 2
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the soldiers in the computer art are Adeptus Custodes. I haven't read the book yet, so don't tell me if the answer will spoil the story, but why are the Custodian Guard on the front cover of a book about the Word Bearers?
comingdarkness27 1 year ago
@comingdarkness27 As per the preview extract which was available some months ago, the Adeptus Custodes are assigned to watch over the Word Bearers after the Emperor and Guilliman bring them to heel.
ShroudFilm 1 year ago
@ShroudFilm I hadn't seen that. Thank you.
comingdarkness27 1 year ago
@comingdarkness27
I read a preview of the book. (Not the actual book). In this preview Guiliman confronts Lorgar on what appears to be a ruined world. The word bears have been shamed by the emperor for....something. Guiliman tells Lorgar that the emperor has ordered 20 Custodes to watch over the word bearers as they rejoin the great crusade. Lorgar reluctantly accepts. So we know the answer to that question.
Lathox 1 year ago
A Night Lords horus heresy novel must be done. They are the epitome of evil. Got this one going to start it once I have finished 'A Thousand Sons', which has been the best one so far.
OWTS1885 1 year ago
@OWTS1885
There is an audio book entitled "The Dark King". It tells of preheresy Konrad Kurze.
SPOILER (Read at your own peril)
Faced with charges of slaughtering of innocents and striking a brother primarch. Konrad Kurze is arrested by the Imperial Fists. But Konrad Kurze is plagued by horrific visions of the future. He quickly escapes and returns to his homeworld Nostramo to "restore order".
Lathox 1 year ago
@OWTS1885 dude the most epic part of the book for me was when kurze made his cameo taking on fucking corax and owning the bastard
Semp314 1 year ago
@Semp314 So he "owned" Corax simply by holding his wrist down?
machine3589 1 year ago
@machine3589 well maybe the kurze fan in me overexaggerated what happened
Semp314 1 year ago
@Semp314 Yeah, people tend to do that when talking about this book.
machine3589 1 year ago
got this book 4 days ago. And I can say: I JUST COULDNT leave the book!
To everyone who Consider buying this: Dont hesitate, BUY IT.
Aaron Dembski-Bowden. You are one of the best authors i've seen since Dan Abnett and Graham McNeill. Love your Night Lords novels as well. Await the new one with great hopes. I HOPE you will be the one who write the Horus Heresy on how the Night Lords fell. (As for your Night Lord audio book, PLZ MAKE a normal book of it!)
MacKnight 1 year ago
I dont think you can really say the Emperor is WRONG about the Chaos gods. I mean its said he always knew about them and by acknowledging them and abolishing the worship of entities and chaos gods (Or whatever guise they went by upon enlightenment) they can be weakened. His grand plan was in theory to conquer the material universe before moving into the beyond.
LasgarnStudios 1 year ago
imperial truth isn't a lie.
chaos is a shitty "religion" which enslaves you to your own emotions which YOU help create (khorne war and rage, slaanesh excess and pleasure). like being a servant to your little kid. your insane, malicious, little kid.
enjoy being worse off than the imperials...
SS0UTHB0UND 1 year ago
@SS0UTHB0UND
I think the irony that's being hinted at, is that the Emperor, for all his devotion to secular humanism, is *wrong* in that there are terrible forces beyond recognition beyond just the scientific.
In addition, mankind's faith in the Emperor as a God, false though it may be, is *literally* the only small spark of hope for humanity in the 41st Millenium. Just ask the Grey Knights.
"NONE CAN WITHSTAND OUR FAITH!"
False hope can be better than no hope.
manwiththemachinegun 1 year ago
@manwiththemachinegun True, everyone in the imperium was ignorant of these psychic beings being now called "gods" to put it simply. Pretty much the story is a tragic one and there is not much that can be said other than that is: What we know is the unknown and undiscovered, and the certainty that we are uncertain about what is beyond our borders.
SS0UTHB0UND 1 year ago
@SS0UTHB0UND Whose perspective do you think that statement might be from...?
ShroudFilm 1 year ago
chaos is the true answer!!
huntercd 1 year ago
wow soo the empire of mankind is build in lies! wow
nlb619 1 year ago
Foolish Mon-Keigh, blinded by your ignorance, your arrogance will be your undoing.
crazy4sian 1 year ago
Really looking forward to this one.
TheWarbossGorgutz 1 year ago
Redeem from what? from serving to the false god and emperor. simply to kill ugly monster
Anfariuss 1 year ago
is he referring to the Eldar when he says the word bearers searched the galaxy for answers and found a civilization destroyed by the birth of a god?
cmstophe 1 year ago
@cmstophe Yes. You "see" it happen. You find out ALOT in this book, about the lost legions, the truth of how the Primarchs were created/corrupted. How Slanessh was truly "born" and loads more. =P
Sonnypjim09 1 year ago
Redeem from what? How do you redeem yourself by selling your soul?
aynrandgirl 1 year ago
@aynrandgirl 'Redeem' as in "make up for the horrific shame they suffered".
ShroudFilm 1 year ago
OMFG I CAN"T WAIT!!!, but why do i feel "Farseer" by William King explains a bit of that already? (for those who have read it already on 1st release)
mastermavrick 1 year ago