Krashen: Foreign Language Learning--Christophe Clugston

[christopheclugston]

Remember if you want to post comments: REAL NAME, REAL PHOTO, if you assert something citations are necessary. This is not the amateurish, non academic YT place for your opinions with no credentials: you can go to all of the pundit YT language channels to do that. THE STANDARDS ARE HIGHER HERE.

[changchangxuexi]

Thanks for the intellectual direction... definitely will be doing lit. review tomorrow!

[christopheclugston]

@changchangxuexi Review of what?

[epsilon910]

It's too bad more ACTUAL linguists like yourself are not talking about linguistics on youtube. Sine seeing your videos, which was a long time ago, I started to do some reading into what Krashen actually has said and the research behind TPR and the like. After reading what I could find I think Kaufmann really needs to sit down and reread and think about what he has been saying..but then I doubt that would happen. Good videos! Keep up the good work!

[christopheclugston]

@epsilon910 I think the reason more real linguists aren't bothering with YT is that all of this stuff is self evident: people like Kaufman are sans credentials and aren't even worth considering. I just decided that as a Public Service some of the people (like you) with desires for the truth and real research would like the chance to hear it. Only the sycophants and self declared experts can't accept the World is not Flat!! (They are trying to sell their version of left brain methods.)

[brandoscostumes]

..i dont doubt physicality aids retention (it is known that just thinking of a movement activates the necessary muscles) and even if tpr worked in that paper of asher's, it does not mean other implementations of traditional instruction (e.g. with silent period) are less efficient overall, and the assessments were not very detailed. fact is students hate the communicative approach more than they hate straight text-based grammar/translation, in asher's scare terms 'analysis' and they like no hmwk

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes You spout YOUR views and no research to defend your views. Sorry, but the research defeats your view. Again, I asked you to cite research--if you cannot do that, you cannot begin to mount an argument. Any undergrad research course will serve you well to gain the skills and tools necessary to approach these topics.

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes Have you read the book that you are commenting about? That would be the first step.

[brandoscostumes]

@christopheclugston no i slept through the SLA courses. but i did read the asher paper and i think appeals to common sense and good judgement is more helpful on youtube than obscure research

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes YOu slept through it--so yuo have confirmed you have no basis to postulate your ideas from--just emotional pleas.

[brandoscostumes]

bro i try to help these people, unlike you, though some condescension is justified when an amateur is elevated by sycophants into an authority (trying to make money no less). so exhibitionism describes their videos well. it remains that TPR has nothing to offer these people. so many videos sensually massaging their books and 'rote' resources. they like the process and the recognition that it is not 'play' or a simulation of L1 acquisition. efficient in teaching simple seldom-used constructions

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes This is such a obtuse post that it you will have to decipher your premise and restate it

[brandoscostumes]

you are peddling to completely the wrong crowd, since TPR is an attempt to reform language teaching, not learning, and for stated purposes that dont apply to anyone on youtube. that is obtuse.

as for the research the assessments are vague and since it admits later active instruction in L1 is inevitable i dont see how it can claim to be more efficient than a more student-friendly traditional approach of 'left brain' analysis that skips the physical stuff. or have u not seen the utter tpr fiascos

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes If you were in my class you would have garnered a FAIL. You were told not once, not twice, but many times--PROVIDE RESEARCH to support your claims. You have not done that--you continue talk as if you are a self created expert and that we must meet your criteria (whatever that might be). Let's recap: 1) You stae only emotional pleas, 2) you have not defined terms 3) You refuse to research 4) You refuse to do a literature review 5) you fail to understand academic quality

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes Your view and your claims warrant no attention. You fail in proving anything you state.

[brandoscostumes]

the german study sounds totally bogus and ten seconds with google yielded krashen admitting he misreported it. anyway 'faster' or 'better' is not exactly conclusive. TPR has zero relevance for the language exhibitionists, as i call them, who dont need their interest maintained and arent stressed (an explicit basis of TPR). i agree with the silent period and i realize the idea of actively studying a foreign language to fluency is a western cultural thing not usual for bilinguals historically

[christopheclugston]

@brandoscostumes If you assert please use citations. Review of the studies (Asher 2009) shows that in Japnese, German, Russian, Spanish and French that TPR out performs any other method. These are facts not emotional outcries (like your condescending remark about exhibitionists). In the case of German it was twice as fast with better retention than methods like any of the YT crow3d). It was 3 times faster in other languages. And it gains an implicit understanding of the morpho/syntax .

[christopheclugston]

@christopheclugston To continue: I have presented evidence and not speculation. TPR is much more effecient than any other method. TPR is also a part of the Natural Process childern use when they ACQUIRE a L1. And rote study of languages is a very Oriental Method (not a Occidental only). While you may have personal opinions they are not validated by any research.

[TheCzechExperiment]

Krashen's "homemade" LL program: :o) Stage 1 Rosetta Stone 1,2,3 (right brain) Stage 2 Graded Readers, no translation (right brain) Stage 3 Easy Literature, no translation + Easy Movies (right brain) Stage 4 Serious Literature, no translation + Movies + Audiobooks (right brain) Success! :)

[christopheclugston]

@TheCzechExperiment Actually all reading will be left brain. Once there is an L 1 any L 2 is going to cross over through Left Brain methods. As for the comprehension it has to be aural. The phonemes are not learned through reading--in fact, the L 1 phonemes, stress, and entire prosody will be overlaid on to the L 2. Reading has to come after relative stable usage of the spoken language and comprehension of the incoming signal.