There are so many problems in Dsouza arguments. The "turtles all way down" makes difficult to Christians to say that God always existed and not accept the universe always existed. It is also difficult not to see the wishful thinking of religions: heaven and hell to control minds as an evolution of the "only hell" of initial myths.
Loftus is one of the worst speakers I have ever heard. He stutters constantly. And the whole debate claims he believes in nothing; so basicly they might as well just hired a brick wall, would have been nicer to stare at.
@bourgkul You say D'Souza *spews BS.* Please back up your attack with specifics: which statements does he make are *BS* and exactly why do you consider them BS.
Kinda dissapointing debate. D'Souza is a strawman factory and Loftus let him get away with it too often. I also don't think Loftus articulated his points well enough. Sigh.
Looks like Loftus missed the idea that Jesus is "True God and True Man" a core Nicean belief. In his humbled state as Jesus the Man/God Jesus takes into account his humanity and points solely to God in His glory as "good". Loftus wasn't a very knowledgeable Christian and now he's the same as an atheist. Mental midget.
Allah is not the same GOD YHWH. Dinesh is a complete liar. Alah says he had no son and Jesus didnt die on a cross..so its not simply about the name..Its total non-sense.
no...you are completely incorrect Cam. I told you before; if you don't know what you are talking about then zip it. If Allah isn't YHWH then how do you account for the fact that the angel Gabriel is presetn in jewish christian and islamic core writings?
LMAO. The reason was because Mohamet claimed to have been sent by a GOD familiar to the religion of the Jews and Christians. However if you ever read the Qur'an you would see the said Angel allegedly told Mohamet that he mary was not married to Joseph, She had Jesus by herself under a date tree, then went on to say Jesus wasn't crucified and its clear Allah has no sons and requires prayer five times a day in a particular routine, so how is Allah the same GOD as YHWH? Golem read a book please
lol I've read the Koran (and the Hadith) as wel as the Torah and the Talmud. You depend and prey on people's ignorance...but just because you say something doesn't fuckin make it so! lol
So are you saying 1) I am lying about what the Qur'an say? 2) Despite these huge differences it still the same God? 3) there are many talmuds you Golem. You are so retarded. I prey on people's ignorance? You are the one with the magic man claim who claims there is historical evidence for the biblical Jesus. You are funny Golem. If you had read the Qur'an you would know that its a totally different GOD created by Mohamet based more on central Arabian myths while Jewih God never has a son. Goilem
Yes...I am saying that you are lying about Allah and YHWH being not the same thing. That is exactly what I am saying. If you still don't understand I will say it a third time; you are a liar.
LMAO..LMAO..so then either Allah was just playing, Mohamet is a Liar, Angel boy is a Liar or you just stupid. But agian you want to believe your version is true..you hold on to that. Dinesh is a Catholic which other Jesus freaks do not agree with but we can't really ask Jesus or God for the truth, nope we can just read his word though thousands get different spins but yours is certainly correct..LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO goilem you are funny
Yep golem i am uninformed..Virgins do have children without sperm and men do raise from the dead and go down to hell then off to heaven in flesh! If that level of stupidity is called being informed, count me out....LMAO
@CamAtheist Yes Allah is the same God. Allah and Yahweh are one in the same from the Torah moron. Islam came AFTER the Juedo-Chrisitan movements. So the author of the Qur'an just writes some lies against the New Testament so people will join Islam rather than Christanity.
@markleye1 ..LOLOLOLOL...I am a moron? Its obvious that the GOd made up by Mohamet and Bilal was not the same GOd of the Jesus myth and is certainly not the GOd of the Yehud. The reason is simple, they all made up their GOD to suit their own prejudices and ignorance. Despite the fact that man would apparently make up lies on GOD's behalf, he still hides, apparently, then threatens to burn people in hell for not believing other men who wrote silly things about the alleged GOD..LMAO
3:48 "So to rebel against that kind of God, is what I call dumber than a box of rocks,if you rebel against an omnipotant being, that is dumber than a box of rocks"...
With all do respect John, Is that not what you're doing right now?
There are so many problems in Dsouza arguments. The "turtles all way down" makes difficult to Christians to say that God always existed and not accept the universe always existed. It is also difficult not to see the wishful thinking of religions: heaven and hell to control minds as an evolution of the "only hell" of initial myths.
brazilianshiva 1 year ago
@brazilianshiva well do you postulate an infinite amount of completed events, or do you believe our universe had a beginning?
SlippPeace 1 year ago
Loftus is one of the worst speakers I have ever heard. He stutters constantly. And the whole debate claims he believes in nothing; so basicly they might as well just hired a brick wall, would have been nicer to stare at.
markleye1 1 year ago
The BS D'Souza spews hurts my ears.
bourgkul 1 year ago
@bourgkul You say D'Souza *spews BS.* Please back up your attack with specifics: which statements does he make are *BS* and exactly why do you consider them BS.
justin10292000 1 year ago
Kinda dissapointing debate. D'Souza is a strawman factory and Loftus let him get away with it too often. I also don't think Loftus articulated his points well enough. Sigh.
Botzu 1 year ago
@Botzu A strawman factory lol :-D I don't think Loftus has done near as many debates as D'Souza has.
HonestTechnoAtheist 1 year ago
Looks like Loftus missed the idea that Jesus is "True God and True Man" a core Nicean belief. In his humbled state as Jesus the Man/God Jesus takes into account his humanity and points solely to God in His glory as "good". Loftus wasn't a very knowledgeable Christian and now he's the same as an atheist. Mental midget.
wjb67ii 2 years ago
Allah is not the same GOD YHWH. Dinesh is a complete liar. Alah says he had no son and Jesus didnt die on a cross..so its not simply about the name..Its total non-sense.
CamAtheist 2 years ago
no...you are completely incorrect Cam. I told you before; if you don't know what you are talking about then zip it. If Allah isn't YHWH then how do you account for the fact that the angel Gabriel is presetn in jewish christian and islamic core writings?
wjb67ii 2 years ago
LMAO. The reason was because Mohamet claimed to have been sent by a GOD familiar to the religion of the Jews and Christians. However if you ever read the Qur'an you would see the said Angel allegedly told Mohamet that he mary was not married to Joseph, She had Jesus by herself under a date tree, then went on to say Jesus wasn't crucified and its clear Allah has no sons and requires prayer five times a day in a particular routine, so how is Allah the same GOD as YHWH? Golem read a book please
CamAtheist 2 years ago
lol I've read the Koran (and the Hadith) as wel as the Torah and the Talmud. You depend and prey on people's ignorance...but just because you say something doesn't fuckin make it so! lol
wjb67ii 2 years ago
So are you saying 1) I am lying about what the Qur'an say? 2) Despite these huge differences it still the same God? 3) there are many talmuds you Golem. You are so retarded. I prey on people's ignorance? You are the one with the magic man claim who claims there is historical evidence for the biblical Jesus. You are funny Golem. If you had read the Qur'an you would know that its a totally different GOD created by Mohamet based more on central Arabian myths while Jewih God never has a son. Goilem
CamAtheist 2 years ago
Yes...I am saying that you are lying about Allah and YHWH being not the same thing. That is exactly what I am saying. If you still don't understand I will say it a third time; you are a liar.
wjb67ii 2 years ago
LMAO..LMAO..so then either Allah was just playing, Mohamet is a Liar, Angel boy is a Liar or you just stupid. But agian you want to believe your version is true..you hold on to that. Dinesh is a Catholic which other Jesus freaks do not agree with but we can't really ask Jesus or God for the truth, nope we can just read his word though thousands get different spins but yours is certainly correct..LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO goilem you are funny
CamAtheist 2 years ago
good enough...but coming from a frivilious, uninformed pair of clown shoes like you, I'm not really bothered!
wjb67ii 2 years ago
Yep golem i am uninformed..Virgins do have children without sperm and men do raise from the dead and go down to hell then off to heaven in flesh! If that level of stupidity is called being informed, count me out....LMAO
CamAtheist 2 years ago
@CamAtheist Yes Allah is the same God. Allah and Yahweh are one in the same from the Torah moron. Islam came AFTER the Juedo-Chrisitan movements. So the author of the Qur'an just writes some lies against the New Testament so people will join Islam rather than Christanity.
markleye1 1 year ago
@markleye1 ..LOLOLOLOL...I am a moron? Its obvious that the GOd made up by Mohamet and Bilal was not the same GOd of the Jesus myth and is certainly not the GOd of the Yehud. The reason is simple, they all made up their GOD to suit their own prejudices and ignorance. Despite the fact that man would apparently make up lies on GOD's behalf, he still hides, apparently, then threatens to burn people in hell for not believing other men who wrote silly things about the alleged GOD..LMAO
CamAtheist 1 year ago
Only if said omnipotent being exists. But since no evidence gives us reason to believe that it does, then no, he is not doing that.
mjr256 2 years ago
3:48 "So to rebel against that kind of God, is what I call dumber than a box of rocks,if you rebel against an omnipotant being, that is dumber than a box of rocks"...
With all do respect John, Is that not what you're doing right now?
Jschwar7 2 years ago 2
thats a great point...well caught
kidcharisma 2 years ago