The problem is that instead of quality control, these companies release this OVERCOMPLICATED shit onto the market without testing it. WE are the test. You are supposed to just accept their products as they are and if you are having a problem, then GOOD LUCK with that! How many people give up on their music because of this bullshit? How can anyone create when they are fighting the equipment? I work my ass off for my money and I can't keep throwing it away on defective stuff.
Blimey, I bought a sequencer (Sonar 8.5), I bought some soft synths, I bought a big powerful computer (Dell core i7). I loaded everything up according to instructions... and it all worked first time.
@CelticProgeny I know that one of these issues was fixed as a result of this video - it would have been fixed at some point anyway but a dev contacted me through youtube shortly after I posted this!
I use Sonar 8.5 on PC and Logic and Ableton on Mac.
I use NI, Spectrasonics, EWQL VST's also Sylenth1 and Zebra. I haven't had any issues by simply following the instructions. I do have high spec systems so maybe that's why.
Only issue I've had was Logic not seeing certain VST's so I googled and found I need to start in 32 bit mode first and then move to 64 bit.
W-anker. You OBVIOUSLY have no skill. I remember getting ableton, arturia synths and native instrument synths.......all of them work right out of the box. What the fuck could you have possibly done wrong?
thats why it (pays) to pirate these programs because companies dont give a shit about the buyer. Companies in this country no longer have to make a product that works, much less give you support. If you dont like it Oh well, they got your money. Thats the American way cowboy!! Sonar does suck it.
I have pirate backup copies of nearly every software I've bought.
Why?......because I shouldn't have to beg online or on the the phone to authorize something I've payed for, using an authorization practice that....DOESN'T WORK because I HAVE back up pirate copies anyway,meaning you're selling me a piece of shit that isn't actually copy protected at all because....I HAVE BACK UP COPIES.
Bunch of assholes really,making legal users suffer for something that doesn't even work.
If you've not already done so, go 64 bit as everything you own should work fine on it. I'm not gonna slate Sonar but I'd recommend switching to Ableton Live. It'll change your life (For the better)
you have a very good point about shelling out cash for certain products and they are easier to run than they are to manage, error free! This isn't the only thing that seems to work this way in the world. Sadly, its not worth it.
I've just come to accept that music software will never work first time, especially with the disaster that is Vista. Same is true for hardware, just a million driver issues, always.
I hear music engineering on Mac is a great deal easier: one day I might have the cash to find out!
I wasted 10 years trying to get windows to work with different configurations. The biggest problem being various chip makers making chips for microsoft. It's pretty much impossible to get a piece of software to work on all the various chip sets for windows machines.
I switched to mac a couple of years ago. I am now worry free:)
welcome to the club! In the end we all discover that we end up spending more time dealing with the software setup than making music! In my opinion keyboard manufacturers need to wake up and realize that they need to follow 'Open Lab's NEKO and make keyboards with onboard computers that take VST plugins!!!! What does a screen and dual-core cost today? They should meet in a world conference and agree upon universal standards insted of creating software incompatibilities! -sometimes on purpose-
That is exactly the problem and the 'destruction' caused by the endless complicated 'VSTs' and 'Plug-in this and thats' and 'drivers' and the etc etc as noted in this video: - Thousands of hours wasted on 'software engineering' and/or configuring, tweaking, etc is thousands of hours NOT creating actual music.
I know 3 home recording studios and ALL of us spend 80% of time screwing with software issues.
This is so true! It's also why a lot of people download pre-cracked software to avoid many of the getting started issues, or to find out what ACTUALLY WORKS AS CLAIMED, before they make a purchase. Sorry - that's reality. (and yes, you should buy the software that actually works for you).
I like the way he went back to playing an acoustic guitar at the end. How many times have I ended up there? But hey, it worked for the Beatles :)
I bought a purpose-built pc from Red-Sub in 2006,cost £3000 came with sonar installed 64 bit, never ever worked, I consulted everyone and tried everything and I mean EVERYTHING for 2 YEARS. PC was best spec available at the time. Put sonar on son's standard Dell pc works like a dream at 1.5ms latency, no pops, clicks, dropouts. Loads of plug-ins (Waves) etc. It's hard to believe but my experience (and other peoples) has been that PC components aren't as compatible as you'd think. Sonar's great.
Sorry but Cubase was an absolute disaster situation for me.
Even a tech support guy could not explain the astonishing problems it was causing and there is another program that requires a massive learning curve and forces musicians to STOP making music and become 'software programmer/audio engineers' as they spend 95% of their time 'learning Cubase' and endless boxes, menus, tabs, plug-ins, terms, jargon, buttons, sub-menus, imports, exports etc etc.
that my friend... is why I dont use software to make my music... I only use hardware. software here is only to record (Adobe Audition). Period. anyway, I hope you got your stuff to work properly at the end.
its so true with anything you buy, printers, fax machines, usb controllers, pets. nothing works out how you think.
hats off to the people who suggest you use other software i think they are missing the point in this rant entirely! I recently purchased a korg controller. the first two were faulty.. but tech support wouldnt believe me. 'its probably a driver problem' my macbook pro does not require drivers! (etc)
OK - This video is no longer relevent - all the issues are solved - I'm using a completely different setup as my main studio now (Mac Pro Based). But - - Geez - you still have to jupm through a bunch of hoops to make things work. Nothing just installs and functions as you'd think it did. And I really don't understand why I keep getting flamed beacause of this vid.. I'm an idiot for not using reason, I'm a fool for not using Logic etc etc. All DAW's hare good and bad points - theres no holy Grail
I keep all the receipts for all the software I've bought and I'd love to see what happens in court when I pull out those receipts when being prosecuted for using pirate software of programs I've actually purchased.
In fact I say.....BRING IT ON Steinberg, IK Media, Waves haha I dare you. You'll be laughed out of court, I guarantee it.
I chuckled when I saw your rant, I'm here in the US and it doesn't get any better! I can not understand why we pay thousands of dollars for software and get product that does not work. Here's my beef, to support my music habit, I sell regular computer software (Microsoft, VMWare, etc) and when a client has a problem, it's fixed, but when it comes to Music Software, why is it they seem to get away with faulty products and charging insane prices? it seems they're held to different standards
UR A IDIOT! U R MAD BECAUSE 1 UR NOT ON A MAC 2 UR NOT ON PRO TOOLS OR LOGIC 3 BOTH MOTU SYMPHONIC AND EAST WEST SYMPHONY SOUND GREAT, I HAVE BOTH AND EASILY USE IT ALL THE TIME! u suck u suck
We run Mac pro's, Protools and Logic 8 here as well as PC based DAW's. You obviously haven't had to compose and produce dense orchestral scores to picture on Logic... And you missed the whole point of the rant - things like Iloq security devices should not ship with drivers that prevent the software from actually functioning. We live in a release it now, fix it later culture for software developers, just look at PLAY, even EWQL have admitted its been unstable as hell up to this point (v1.2).
Sonar's one of the best DAW's out there. Have you worked professionally in with every piece of software you express an opinion on? I have!
And I dont know why you are calling me ignorant! My point - although this video is very old and every specific issue raised has been solved, remains the same.
Music software more often than not ships in a non working state. And whats worse, vendors are slow to even acknowledge, let alone fix problems.
@firkinfedup What do you fucking care if someone has their caps on? That comment makes you look like a little old lady. Are you afraid of capital letters? Go to a counselor....stupid flaming cunt.
We are at the mercy of the technicians once we buy their products. If your gonna sell something help them make it work as you promised it would. Just to let few of you know, i use a Mac Pro intel based, All my plugins work great, but they must have the Universal Binary Update.
Really depends on what you are doing. I use DP6 - but if you are creating songs - working a lot with audio you may want to look at Logic or Protools8 ... Try to get to a store for some hands on time with each DAW!
"Why won't things just work the way they say they will"!!! Very ammusing and bloody true. I'm still trying to get MOTU to reply to my emails about why the Symphonic Instrument won't load as a VST in Cubase. If they tell me to reinstall my operating system I'll scream down the phone!
Glad to see that you took the guitar at the end of the movie ... that's the answer !
You don't need to update drivers, to plug a dongle iLock, to phone to America, to write complicated mails with tons of serial numbers ... this sound out of the box (sometimes bad, but hey, sounds! ...)
And if you get mad on a software producer you can smash that guitar in his head ... cool.
ive just gone 64bit. honestly. the performance is drasticly better with 6gb ram. i can extend it to 8gb on the vista i have now, and i think vista ultamite can sport up to 12!. i use my xp computer for pro tools now and secondary synth work. my core i7 smashes it.
I been there done that ,dude really I know what you feel about Ilok ....stupid thing really the no1 inconvinient thing just those days Adobe product have Director..its an old school and I hope this kind of security wont last forever sicne its killing your music by bug things it has:(
for making electronic music on pc the best solution is cubase, ableton live, reason, and native instruments synths.. aditionally you can add some stuff as MaxMSP and eventually stuff like third party romplers (spectrasonics has some good and cheap ones)
Reason is not a film scoring / production tool. I use reason as a tool under sonar / DP / Logic depending on what I'm working on. Please understand what is required of a DAW while producing music in a wide range of styles for video before posting ridiculous statments. Reason is a powerfull tool, but it is a tool for a certain job.
HEAR! HEAR! well done, well documented, naming names. sorry for your grief, glad to see someone posting it LOUDLY to the net.
i'm still amused that a 1.8 ghz system takes 200 ms for a midi note to get routed to my softsynth. that's 360,000,000 cycles of doing nothing. puh leez.
Ice tea is very popular amoung brits actually - I didnt think Native Americans liked tea... What? you're not Native to America...? Your family decended from hostile invaders..?
it certainly would not simply be a case of install and play. But of course, everything depends on the many factors relating to your laptop's hardwase, other software. os version, devices and drivers and of course the general health of your system / instalation.
Only one way to find out :P
PS.. if its any consalation i'm a mac user now and its just a case of one set of problems solved, a whole new set created!
I did - spent a small fortune - and I'm getting random crashes! Must be me! Actually I'm troubleshooting right now and it may be a faulty stick of ram... I'm lucky heheheh
i hate "iLok".... if we pay good money for something, why should we sacrifice a USB port just for authentication? The next generation of plugins will come with a camera -- which you must clip onto your shoulder so that the manufacturer can make sure you are not using their "instrument" for the pursuit of evil.
Thats a pretty sweeping statment - it still has a host of features that are head and shoulders above the rest, what sucks is Microsofts inability to say... RIGHT... Here is the new windows, its 64bit, supports all the memory your PC will take and everyone has to develop for this and this alone now!
PS Apple did this 5 years ago. Its not rocket science. The only problem with any pc music ap is windows and its memory shortcomings.
A few? years ago, two parents went out for dinner. A few hours later, the babysitter was calling to ask if she could cover up the clown statue in the kids' room, the father said,"Take the kids and get out of the house. We'll call the police, we don't have a clown statue." The "clown statue" is really a killer that escaped from jail. If you don't post this letter on to 10 videos tonight, the clown will be in your bed at 3:00 am with a chainsaw in his hand I H8 THIS STUF IT FREKZ ME OUT
Yeah - I'm going mac - but not for these reasons as this has all been solved long since... I'll be going DP not logic though - 8 is just a bloated version of garage band.
Well. Live worked instantly and, while I know zero about music, I was making it <30 minutes after install. Purchased Sonar Producer for $200. Got the DVD and ABSOLUTELY CRAP instruction manual. After 2 days of as a trainee studio engineer, I gave up. Now I use all their bundled VSTs with Live. Cakewalk is SOOO old fashioned. Yanks motivated by profit, Germans quality. Neither were good with after sales. Great vid blog BTW. Wanna c more rants n tutes from a real muso. For fly-by-nighters like me!
I have years worth of experience using such equipment professionally. If you had the ability to listen - you would understand that the point is a large portion of pro-audio software will not work out of the box for a multitude of reasons. Learning how to use a particular package doesnt mean you automatically know that a dongle driver is preventing the system from running properly and the updated one is hidden on a 3rd party website somwhere.
As you said in the review, Dongles do NOT work, every piece of software that requires a dongle can be obtained in a rar file found on google and every dongle out there causes one problem or another.
Stop making bloody dongles, I use Mackie Tracktion for that reason,along with it being a stable system etc, and Arturia used to make synths, moog/Arp etc that do not require them, although I have yet to fing a rip of the prophet VS so maybe they are becoming un-crackable.
Ableton live kicks ass,I've tried them all.Cakewalk products almost raped the music out of me.You probably posted this awhile ago,
but you've entered the world of "get ready to get pissed off at least once a day at your computer and programs".KVR website is great,Reaktor,fruity loops,Zebra 2 is the best soft synth ever.Steal the shit with torrents,try it out first,before wasting time
and money.then if you use it give those pizza eating bastards some money.
sorry to hear about your 3 day adventure with tech spport! But I would like to say that I have been using 64 bit xp for a good while now and have never had a hiccup in my system. Luckily all of my drivers were easy to find for the 64 bit o.s and everything is running smoothly! Best of luck with your work!
I'm using 64 bit vista now - its running very nicely... great to have a project using 6 gig RAM the other day and still have plenty of headroom. Of course there are some annoying incompatibilities, but this was to be expected and time cures things like this.
Sonar is the buggiest DAW in industry, I have a quad core 4 gig ram emu 0404 and it still dropouts with about 6 plugins running (no more than 25% cpu load)
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I would never put that up of whatever you're drinking on the keyboard like that.
I suspect programmers deliberetly program bugs to search out their competition and cause conflicts. or you are forced to buy third party books of so called tips and tricks to make it work. when they are really the instructions that should of come with the program in the first place.
I really dont think they are that clever - I think its simple streight forward neglignece and hunger for a swift return on investment. Thing is - they know the user base will test - and bug report - while paying for the privalidge - so why waste money on proper testing??
Imagine that, with the nearly limit-less amount of combinations of processors, ram, OSs, mobos, cakewalk didn't have time to take into consideration every possible set up.
Yuo miss the point entirely! And had you listened you would know that cakewalk software was not the main offender - nether did hardware conflicts have ANYTHING to do with the problems I was having when I made this video! I emulated Cakewalks demo machine part for part with the help of the company themselves anyway! This problem was purely software - and is now in the main resolved. I have been meaning to make an update.
Also you are completely wrong - there are not limit-less combinations of components, there are a few very simple choices, and Cakewalk do have pretty much all poss. combinations as test machines. You actually made me angry, posting such ill informed ridiculous statements on my video. Please understand your subject before you express an opinion on it next time, it will make you look less foolish.
While I understand the frustrations, the truth is there really are far more combinations of hardware/software than these small audio software companies can possibly test. Sound card drivers (which are notoriously bad with professional level cards), OS updates (terrible problem on Macs), conflicts with other software that wants to use the same hardware, security software, etc.
Dude, im from Argentina (southamerica), let mi say that i feel the same way with mi stuff in animation a editing video. Yea Yea, you are the men dude. Your place, your office is super cool, great space, insperating. I want a offece like yours. Ok men, here from Argentina i say goodbye.
i've just spent alot of money on Logic studio 8 alot of it doesnt work ( but thats because of my old-ish mac ) and XP's cant handle anything !! so i use the mac for recording purposes ( you have a nice digital piano dont put drinks on it :P you could knock it over ) i hope to get logic up and running exactly how it shud be soon!
I feel for you man.. really do. I find the best way to get semi accurate advise is on the products official forums where others have probably had the same issues as you and already found how to fix them.
I have had the same problem!! only my misery gets worse cuz i have a single core 3ghz with 2gig ram. they expect everyone to have a masters in c+++ or some shit!! God help anyone who has no computer experience and see's these items and would just like to make a bit of music!!!
dont buy a mac ...for every ( minor ) upgrade you have to pay ..like an update from logic 7.0 to 7.2 ..they wan't you to pay for it ...hah and the best part is you have to upgrade your O.S. to ..which also costs money ..steve jobs ..lol
Best solution is to stick with your hardware ...I mean
I see you've got a roland xv 3080 ..has some nice orchestral sounds in it ..
I hear you, brother. Here are my co-rants to echo your statements... (YouTube limits comments to 500 characters so this didn't fit in a single post...):
Composing music vs the technical details of capturing music with a DAW are at opposite extremes of the spectrum. Each valuable skills, each a means to an end.
As for the technical support issues - I agree, it is very frustrating when technical support is spotty after a major purchase. Problem is, there are very few software companies making the kind of software we are trying to use, so we really have no alternative to the problem, and we are forced to suffer through the tech support jungle. That paradigm has turned us all into tech support assistants, out of necessity.
As for the Mac solution proposed by others - I was a Mac fanatic when they came out (circa 1984) but got tired of the closed system and lack of software choices (as compared to PC) and switched over "to the dark side" and haven't looked back. I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one, but I have not regretted moving away from Apple products.
I was just wondering if you have used Windows vista (I have the 64bit version) yet? I have to say that I was extremely surprised at just how stable it is given all of the bad press it's had. I think the main problem beside manufacturers being so slow with drivers is that you really need 2gigs of ram or more. I've not done any audio stuff with it yet but vista's way of handling audio prosesing is sooo much better than XP.
I have heard that service pack one for vista will totally replace the core elements with those from Microsoft's prototype Longhorn, so maybe Vista's image may change from "the worst Microsoft OS ever" to "the best Microsoft OS ever". I can't remember how to do it but you can disable the pop-ups. What software are you trying to use? I can't wait for Cubase 64bit :)
Let's see... Vista is incompatible with the latest version of the Blackberry emulator, NEC VoIP app, and drivers for my piano. I'm sure others will be more than happy to list more software that won't work under Vista?
I guess you've tried sending Emails to the makers of the software saying that no vista compatibility is not acceptable? The trouble with Vista is that despite what people say, it is completely different to xp. Have you tried right clicking on the program/properties and changing the compatibility mode? This doesn't always work though it's worth a try.
Listen, I gave it a good try and it was a failure. I totally gave up on Vista. Whatever people may say about its cool features, there's ZERO productivity gains by upgrading to Vista. In the future things may change when people are forced to upgrade because of software and drivers only supported on Vista. Until then I'm happy with XP because I don't need to buy more RAM and get a bigger hard drive, and my CPU runs faster. By the way, at HOME I decided to ditch Windows and go with Ubuntu Linux.
Sorry, I was just trying to help. I still use xp as well because most of the software I use isn't 64bit compatible let alone vista compatible. I did use Sonar 6 a couple of times of which was very stable and fast, but due too Sonar's stone age pain in the arse way of programing MIDI, I ditched it. What annoys me is that we have had 64bit processors for years but it's only now that most of us have the ability to use it, well only just. I would love to use linux but my VST's will not work.
As for the dongle issue - I have never, and will never buy software which requires a hardware key to operate. I don't care if they are giving away the software, dongles are just an unacceptable solution to a behavorial problem which I don't even have.
Finally, I never buy rev 1.0 of anything, no matter how much the Marketing Machine says the product will save my life if I purchase it. I used to be a bleeding edge consumer, but now consider myself a smart consumer who values his time for other tasks besides being a glorified (and unpaid) beta tester.
Do you really think reason is up to the task of serious film / tv music production on its own - Sure its great for some stuff as a rewire but stand alone you must realise its limitations!
trust me I use it all the time reason is the best way to avoid the shit my advice get the mirolav refill and if you have the time convert giga samplees for nnxt youll be all set I also do film scoreing so trust me.
The problem is that instead of quality control, these companies release this OVERCOMPLICATED shit onto the market without testing it. WE are the test. You are supposed to just accept their products as they are and if you are having a problem, then GOOD LUCK with that! How many people give up on their music because of this bullshit? How can anyone create when they are fighting the equipment? I work my ass off for my money and I can't keep throwing it away on defective stuff.
mindstormsabrewin 2 weeks ago
Sorry, what did you say? I wasn't paying attention.
richbrutus 6 months ago
@4:37 thats what happens when you own a PCee!
AGWhiteman 7 months ago
Blimey, I bought a sequencer (Sonar 8.5), I bought some soft synths, I bought a big powerful computer (Dell core i7). I loaded everything up according to instructions... and it all worked first time.
sepmann 10 months ago
@sepmann Yup - it does these days! All the issues in this video are long long gone! And it was because of this vid that some of them got fixed!
steakmonster 10 months ago
@steakmonster You really think this video was the reason that the issues got fixed ?
CelticProgeny 2 months ago
@CelticProgeny I know that one of these issues was fixed as a result of this video - it would have been fixed at some point anyway but a dev contacted me through youtube shortly after I posted this!
steakmonster 1 month ago
cringing, too; please get a separate little table or special spot for you drink!!
desirefirst 10 months ago
I must be lucky.
I use Sonar 8.5 on PC and Logic and Ableton on Mac.
I use NI, Spectrasonics, EWQL VST's also Sylenth1 and Zebra. I haven't had any issues by simply following the instructions. I do have high spec systems so maybe that's why.
Only issue I've had was Logic not seeing certain VST's so I googled and found I need to start in 32 bit mode first and then move to 64 bit.
No problem :)
CelticProgeny 11 months ago
W-anker. You OBVIOUSLY have no skill. I remember getting ableton, arturia synths and native instrument synths.......all of them work right out of the box. What the fuck could you have possibly done wrong?
synthxplayer 1 year ago
so true haha I always have some bs problem with plugins and midi with music software
ironbirdhouse 1 year ago
thats why it (pays) to pirate these programs because companies dont give a shit about the buyer. Companies in this country no longer have to make a product that works, much less give you support. If you dont like it Oh well, they got your money. Thats the American way cowboy!! Sonar does suck it.
guitaryoder1 1 year ago
@guitaryoder1
I have pirate backup copies of nearly every software I've bought.
Why?......because I shouldn't have to beg online or on the the phone to authorize something I've payed for, using an authorization practice that....DOESN'T WORK because I HAVE back up pirate copies anyway,meaning you're selling me a piece of shit that isn't actually copy protected at all because....I HAVE BACK UP COPIES.
Bunch of assholes really,making legal users suffer for something that doesn't even work.
imperialpod 1 year ago
If you've not already done so, go 64 bit as everything you own should work fine on it. I'm not gonna slate Sonar but I'd recommend switching to Ableton Live. It'll change your life (For the better)
deanobro69 1 year ago
sonar is *uckin shit anyway shud ov went with the best cubase or if ur on mac logic
SyNtHsCaPe 1 year ago
@SyNtHsCaPe all shit,,,,ABLETON is the only way to go dude
dontmesafrusciante 3 months ago
man you are brave setting your tea on your controller !
Flipjunkie1 1 year ago
thats why you got to download ^^ welcome to the consumption industry. :)
tekzunited 1 year ago
i just download freeware versions.
skitch88 1 year ago
@steakmonster
you have a very good point about shelling out cash for certain products and they are easier to run than they are to manage, error free! This isn't the only thing that seems to work this way in the world. Sadly, its not worth it.
plasmaforce11 1 year ago
nice vst i got this
miekmuse1exploit 1 year ago
se te va a caer la cerveza encima del teclado y la vas a liar parda majo....
jejeje
JediQuinLanVos 1 year ago
Great fucking vid, actually. I didn't watch much of it, just listened...but I can't understand exactly, are you santa or one of his elves?
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
you get buzzing and knock that glass over and then you'll never get anything to work LOL!
dragonstyle79 1 year ago
I've just come to accept that music software will never work first time, especially with the disaster that is Vista. Same is true for hardware, just a million driver issues, always.
I hear music engineering on Mac is a great deal easier: one day I might have the cash to find out!
rhinowjb 1 year ago
@rhinowjb All my software works right away...stupid cunt.
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
@MrDarcyzPP Glad to hear it. I guess it gives you more time to bone your sister.
rhinowjb 1 year ago
I wasted 10 years trying to get windows to work with different configurations. The biggest problem being various chip makers making chips for microsoft. It's pretty much impossible to get a piece of software to work on all the various chip sets for windows machines.
I switched to mac a couple of years ago. I am now worry free:)
grouchy222 1 year ago
Beer salut !! Do you drink? eh ehe
ECdj79 2 years ago
hah I feel your pain!
Noyore 2 years ago
I was disappointed with the ease of use of MOTU Symphonic as well.
mikeusat 2 years ago
Google....
paynebabes123 2 years ago
man i luv that your drink did not fall.. i feel for you guy hope you got threw to sombody
btommmm 2 years ago
HAHA i got logic studio and i have the box to prove it
nyckillaheat 2 years ago
I nearly forgot.
Don't put that fecking drink on that fecking keyboard you fecking idiot !
schuberttweakle 2 years ago
The struggle makes the end result all the more worthwhile.
schuberttweakle 2 years ago
DUDE!
I feel your pain and this is (no joking) destroying the home recording biz and surely thousands of hours of creativity are forever lost.
I have a 'Cubase' story that led to me returning $1500 worth of gear,
and,
Later, simply installing Tracktion right?
NOPE!
5 hours later.
You are SPOT ON and in 2010 there is NO MORE EXCUSE for this anymore.
Software needs to auto-install and that is it and nothing else.
Or force them to put 'warning' labels "May require 20 hours of failures".
ElProximo 2 years ago
this is why i download for free xD
madichelp0 2 years ago
LOL most awesome rant EVER.
MithraMusic 2 years ago
welcome to the club! In the end we all discover that we end up spending more time dealing with the software setup than making music! In my opinion keyboard manufacturers need to wake up and realize that they need to follow 'Open Lab's NEKO and make keyboards with onboard computers that take VST plugins!!!! What does a screen and dual-core cost today? They should meet in a world conference and agree upon universal standards insted of creating software incompatibilities! -sometimes on purpose-
cmorganis 2 years ago
@cmorganis - you called it exactly.
That is exactly the problem and the 'destruction' caused by the endless complicated 'VSTs' and 'Plug-in this and thats' and 'drivers' and the etc etc as noted in this video: - Thousands of hours wasted on 'software engineering' and/or configuring, tweaking, etc is thousands of hours NOT creating actual music.
I know 3 home recording studios and ALL of us spend 80% of time screwing with software issues.
Instead of ACTUAL music production.
Ugh!
ElProximo 2 years ago
This is so true! It's also why a lot of people download pre-cracked software to avoid many of the getting started issues, or to find out what ACTUALLY WORKS AS CLAIMED, before they make a purchase. Sorry - that's reality. (and yes, you should buy the software that actually works for you).
I like the way he went back to playing an acoustic guitar at the end. How many times have I ended up there? But hey, it worked for the Beatles :)
audiotrax2000 2 years ago
I bought a purpose-built pc from Red-Sub in 2006,cost £3000 came with sonar installed 64 bit, never ever worked, I consulted everyone and tried everything and I mean EVERYTHING for 2 YEARS. PC was best spec available at the time. Put sonar on son's standard Dell pc works like a dream at 1.5ms latency, no pops, clicks, dropouts. Loads of plug-ins (Waves) etc. It's hard to believe but my experience (and other peoples) has been that PC components aren't as compatible as you'd think. Sonar's great.
kaferere 2 years ago
@kaferere thank you! i hear a lot of people talk shit about sonar,but i love it and have never had problems.there a DAW for everyone!
dragonstyle79 1 year ago
Exactly! xxxxx
plasticfags 2 years ago
GET CUBASE !!!!
19EEN72 2 years ago
@19EEN72,
Sorry but Cubase was an absolute disaster situation for me.
Even a tech support guy could not explain the astonishing problems it was causing and there is another program that requires a massive learning curve and forces musicians to STOP making music and become 'software programmer/audio engineers' as they spend 95% of their time 'learning Cubase' and endless boxes, menus, tabs, plug-ins, terms, jargon, buttons, sub-menus, imports, exports etc etc.
Even if it did install properly.
ElProximo 2 years ago
Stuart, with all those problems after spending so much money, most people would have finshed that beer and had many more besides...
"I'm not going 64 bit, because...erm... that would create a whole set of NEW problems..."
Priceless.
Clavinovaman 2 years ago
SONAR is terrible.
Period.
bablouche 2 years ago
that my friend... is why I dont use software to make my music... I only use hardware. software here is only to record (Adobe Audition). Period. anyway, I hope you got your stuff to work properly at the end.
EdCarvalho71 2 years ago
dude that big mug of beer on your keyboard is making me sooooo nervous. instead of buying all that software why not invest in a coaster?
HoboMiracleMan 2 years ago 9
@HoboMiracleMan Or a Beer hat! lol
AGWhiteman 7 months ago
its so true with anything you buy, printers, fax machines, usb controllers, pets. nothing works out how you think.
hats off to the people who suggest you use other software i think they are missing the point in this rant entirely! I recently purchased a korg controller. the first two were faulty.. but tech support wouldnt believe me. 'its probably a driver problem' my macbook pro does not require drivers! (etc)
however, good old number 3 is working..
inertiatic88 2 years ago
SONAR is the problem!!!
nujazzelectro 2 years ago
I agree.....
If you want simple, try MixCraft.
I personally prefer Samplitude.
Sungodv 2 years ago
bro- forget these assmunchers saying this n that. regardless of what daw ur working on, these sort of happenings make me want to pull my hair out~!
Musiccalculater 2 years ago
hardware mate... hardware LOL
rlouve 2 years ago
OK - This video is no longer relevent - all the issues are solved - I'm using a completely different setup as my main studio now (Mac Pro Based). But - - Geez - you still have to jupm through a bunch of hoops to make things work. Nothing just installs and functions as you'd think it did. And I really don't understand why I keep getting flamed beacause of this vid.. I'm an idiot for not using reason, I'm a fool for not using Logic etc etc. All DAW's hare good and bad points - theres no holy Grail
steakmonster 2 years ago 5
@steakmonster i havent found a flaw in logic yet but i get your point .
Flipjunkie1 1 year ago
@steakmonster
I keep all the receipts for all the software I've bought and I'd love to see what happens in court when I pull out those receipts when being prosecuted for using pirate software of programs I've actually purchased.
In fact I say.....BRING IT ON Steinberg, IK Media, Waves haha I dare you. You'll be laughed out of court, I guarantee it.
imperialpod 1 year ago
I chuckled when I saw your rant, I'm here in the US and it doesn't get any better! I can not understand why we pay thousands of dollars for software and get product that does not work. Here's my beef, to support my music habit, I sell regular computer software (Microsoft, VMWare, etc) and when a client has a problem, it's fixed, but when it comes to Music Software, why is it they seem to get away with faulty products and charging insane prices? it seems they're held to different standards
navygent 2 years ago
Ardour, its free and it works :-D
acuachills 2 years ago
UR A IDIOT! U R MAD BECAUSE 1 UR NOT ON A MAC 2 UR NOT ON PRO TOOLS OR LOGIC 3 BOTH MOTU SYMPHONIC AND EAST WEST SYMPHONY SOUND GREAT, I HAVE BOTH AND EASILY USE IT ALL THE TIME! u suck u suck
WIREDMUSICGROUP 2 years ago
We run Mac pro's, Protools and Logic 8 here as well as PC based DAW's. You obviously haven't had to compose and produce dense orchestral scores to picture on Logic... And you missed the whole point of the rant - things like Iloq security devices should not ship with drivers that prevent the software from actually functioning. We live in a release it now, fix it later culture for software developers, just look at PLAY, even EWQL have admitted its been unstable as hell up to this point (v1.2).
steakmonster 2 years ago
pirate dat shit
randall642 2 years ago
Very ignorant you are my sir~ Well i DO use PT8 And i just got colossus and nexus.. And SONAR SUCKS!!!!
Captnuendo 2 years ago
Sonar's one of the best DAW's out there. Have you worked professionally in with every piece of software you express an opinion on? I have!
And I dont know why you are calling me ignorant! My point - although this video is very old and every specific issue raised has been solved, remains the same.
Music software more often than not ships in a non working state. And whats worse, vendors are slow to even acknowledge, let alone fix problems.
steakmonster 2 years ago
you could try using Ableton live 8 suite
Splenken 2 years ago
Wow you are such a spoon. Turn off your capslock before you cuss someone down as you have just made yourself look like a lump of smegma.
Oh, and...
UR MUM SUX MOAR !!11!11ONEONEONE!!
firkinfedup 2 years ago
smegma!?!?!?! Haa!
steakmonster 2 years ago
@firkinfedup What do you fucking care if someone has their caps on? That comment makes you look like a little old lady. Are you afraid of capital letters? Go to a counselor....stupid flaming cunt.
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
@MrDarcyzPP Wow, nice one you hypocrite, what an awesome retort. You're a smart one aren't you? I bet your family are really proud of you! xxx
firkinfedup 1 year ago
We are at the mercy of the technicians once we buy their products. If your gonna sell something help them make it work as you promised it would. Just to let few of you know, i use a Mac Pro intel based, All my plugins work great, but they must have the Universal Binary Update.
thebrokentree 2 years ago
What software is the best on mac? I have looked around, and to be honest, I don't know which is best for mac. What do you use?
FizzySherbet 2 years ago
Really depends on what you are doing. I use DP6 - but if you are creating songs - working a lot with audio you may want to look at Logic or Protools8 ... Try to get to a store for some hands on time with each DAW!
steakmonster 2 years ago
just download them for free, I have like $2500 worth of free plugins and daw's I barely have problems installing them
calambredaboss 3 years ago
where do you download them from im a young music producer dat dnt really have jobe right now! Can you plz give me some links to download them?
JayDinari 2 years ago
"Why won't things just work the way they say they will"!!! Very ammusing and bloody true. I'm still trying to get MOTU to reply to my emails about why the Symphonic Instrument won't load as a VST in Cubase. If they tell me to reinstall my operating system I'll scream down the phone!
gextvedde 3 years ago
well if you ever think about buying Motu's Electric Keys, you should watch my reveiw
of it first.
angie4josh 3 years ago
liquid in the studio... bad idea :/
ralphengle 3 years ago
Glad to see that you took the guitar at the end of the movie ... that's the answer !
You don't need to update drivers, to plug a dongle iLock, to phone to America, to write complicated mails with tons of serial numbers ... this sound out of the box (sometimes bad, but hey, sounds! ...)
And if you get mad on a software producer you can smash that guitar in his head ... cool.
sorohanro 3 years ago
ive just gone 64bit. honestly. the performance is drasticly better with 6gb ram. i can extend it to 8gb on the vista i have now, and i think vista ultamite can sport up to 12!. i use my xp computer for pro tools now and secondary synth work. my core i7 smashes it.
Musiccalculater 3 years ago
I been there done that ,dude really I know what you feel about Ilok ....stupid thing really the no1 inconvinient thing just those days Adobe product have Director..its an old school and I hope this kind of security wont last forever sicne its killing your music by bug things it has:(
djaq000arkadian 3 years ago
for making electronic music on pc the best solution is cubase, ableton live, reason, and native instruments synths.. aditionally you can add some stuff as MaxMSP and eventually stuff like third party romplers (spectrasonics has some good and cheap ones)
jamesvla 3 years ago
fuck sonar, BUY REASON ITS EASIER AND FASTER!!!
luisagarcia1991 3 years ago
Reason is not a film scoring / production tool. I use reason as a tool under sonar / DP / Logic depending on what I'm working on. Please understand what is required of a DAW while producing music in a wide range of styles for video before posting ridiculous statments. Reason is a powerfull tool, but it is a tool for a certain job.
steakmonster 3 years ago
or maybe, logic pro 8
jamez123123 3 years ago
HEAR! HEAR! well done, well documented, naming names. sorry for your grief, glad to see someone posting it LOUDLY to the net.
i'm still amused that a 1.8 ghz system takes 200 ms for a midi note to get routed to my softsynth. that's 360,000,000 cycles of doing nothing. puh leez.
ijagcwmw 3 years ago
I love this! I can understand a 100% what you must have been gone through ...
fraukeellerbruch 3 years ago
I understand the frustration some people have.
Me personally, never had one single issue with my Cubase / VST system.
One just needs to do a lot of searching, checking with many end-users and most importantly keep your music machines simple and stick to XP!
I can't think of any professional product out there that doesn't work without a glitch.
cchalfant 3 years ago
Hellooo..
Ever get it working?
I dont know what music your into but ive tried a lot of DAW's and Ableton Live works best for me.
SpitfireFunk 3 years ago
Well - those problems were all solved with patches and driver updates I had to wait for :)
But Im on mac now so have a whole new set of problems! At least the OS is stable unlike any windows instalation!
You can see my new setup in the 'Messing around with a Korg Micro X and a Roland RD700GX' Video.
steakmonster 3 years ago
I say sell the lot.
Build a top quality PC. Get a good mixer/monitors and spend the rest on ableton and analog synths ;)
SpitfireFunk 3 years ago
man, your one posh guy aint ya lol
its2deeprecordings 3 years ago
Constructive comment - obviously one of life's great thinkers!
steakmonster 3 years ago
hey im english too. im an east ender though.. im cockney as they come, so it just sounds funny to me.
its2deeprecordings 3 years ago
oh thats right you pomies dont drink cold tea like us Americans
angie4josh 3 years ago
Ice tea is very popular amoung brits actually - I didnt think Native Americans liked tea... What? you're not Native to America...? Your family decended from hostile invaders..?
steakmonster 3 years ago
allright einstien take the glass of tea OFF the midi controller.
angie4josh 3 years ago
Its BEER! mmmmmm. And now I have a setup thats not Effed anyway there are no drinks allowed anywhere near it.
steakmonster 3 years ago
i know i bought some other cakewalk thing and it didn't even play music or anything like yours
ICzar13 3 years ago
do you think if I would load this stuff on laptop it would not work?
lithkid 3 years ago
it certainly would not simply be a case of install and play. But of course, everything depends on the many factors relating to your laptop's hardwase, other software. os version, devices and drivers and of course the general health of your system / instalation.
Only one way to find out :P
PS.. if its any consalation i'm a mac user now and its just a case of one set of problems solved, a whole new set created!
steakmonster 3 years ago
I might get alot of flack for this but get a mac seriously. I have had no problems like this after I got a mac.
djperegrine 3 years ago
I did - spent a small fortune - and I'm getting random crashes! Must be me! Actually I'm troubleshooting right now and it may be a faulty stick of ram... I'm lucky heheheh
steakmonster 3 years ago
Having beer in the surroundings of your gear doesn't help it to work better, especially if you spill it (and so the beer is wasted twice) :)
themeanstar 3 years ago
I NEVER spill the sacred amber goodness
steakmonster 3 years ago
Get a MAC with Logic Pro & stop drinking so much beer :P
sjcongo 3 years ago
I now have a mac: but I have DP6. Logic can't even send CC7's to seperate channels on a software synth... WTF!!!???
And - - I have a few fine wines in so.. i have cut down on the beer!
steakmonster 3 years ago
I really enjoyed your rant lol
they should be called "plug and PRAY"
dustypuppy 3 years ago
Good one, sir! Have yourself a beer like this guy ^_^
Xithon 3 years ago
I've recently purchaced Motu SI, havnt used it yet, I hope it'll be good,
4:28 Boy..tell me about it!
octum 3 years ago
i hate "iLok".... if we pay good money for something, why should we sacrifice a USB port just for authentication? The next generation of plugins will come with a camera -- which you must clip onto your shoulder so that the manufacturer can make sure you are not using their "instrument" for the pursuit of evil.
mesaoneCCK 3 years ago
one more thing, do you usually use your workstation/DP as a rest for your pint? shame on you.
mesaoneCCK 3 years ago
this is why I stay away from music creation with computers. Analog is the way to go.
OggOrbisRecords 3 years ago
sonar sucks
YEE941 3 years ago 2
Thats a pretty sweeping statment - it still has a host of features that are head and shoulders above the rest, what sucks is Microsofts inability to say... RIGHT... Here is the new windows, its 64bit, supports all the memory your PC will take and everyone has to develop for this and this alone now!
PS Apple did this 5 years ago. Its not rocket science. The only problem with any pc music ap is windows and its memory shortcomings.
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rbt809 3 years ago
Hey Steakmonster how did you get it to finally work??
OrganoAeternam 3 years ago
i agree. i think software synths are pretty limited anyways, theres no direct automation, so no happy mistakes can be made.
i use renoise, a tracker, and it the most robust, crash free, program i've used. and its pretty powerful too.
Johnline 3 years ago
I've played with renoise - it was great - I used to be a heavy octamed user in the amiga days!
steakmonster 3 years ago
One word: "Logic8"
Sell all the junk on e-bay, get a mac, and buy logic, you will still have enough money to go on holidays.
callmeyang 3 years ago
Yeah - I'm going mac - but not for these reasons as this has all been solved long since... I'll be going DP not logic though - 8 is just a bloated version of garage band.
steakmonster 3 years ago
I'm going through the same problem you are except the updated drivers are still not working...help :(
OrganoAeternam 3 years ago
use a coaster on that keyboard!!! jeeez
HoboMiracleMan 3 years ago
Well. Live worked instantly and, while I know zero about music, I was making it <30 minutes after install. Purchased Sonar Producer for $200. Got the DVD and ABSOLUTELY CRAP instruction manual. After 2 days of as a trainee studio engineer, I gave up. Now I use all their bundled VSTs with Live. Cakewalk is SOOO old fashioned. Yanks motivated by profit, Germans quality. Neither were good with after sales. Great vid blog BTW. Wanna c more rants n tutes from a real muso. For fly-by-nighters like me!
Rathbone7am 3 years ago
try sending MIDI clock to an external beat box or synth with live7 when you have a few USB audio devices.
neutron7 3 years ago
It helps to learn how to use the equipment. Just buying it doesn't make you an expert.
toneage7 3 years ago
I have years worth of experience using such equipment professionally. If you had the ability to listen - you would understand that the point is a large portion of pro-audio software will not work out of the box for a multitude of reasons. Learning how to use a particular package doesnt mean you automatically know that a dongle driver is preventing the system from running properly and the updated one is hidden on a 3rd party website somwhere.
steakmonster 3 years ago
As you said in the review, Dongles do NOT work, every piece of software that requires a dongle can be obtained in a rar file found on google and every dongle out there causes one problem or another.
Stop making bloody dongles, I use Mackie Tracktion for that reason,along with it being a stable system etc, and Arturia used to make synths, moog/Arp etc that do not require them, although I have yet to fing a rip of the prophet VS so maybe they are becoming un-crackable.
Anyhow, dongles stink!
imperialpod 3 years ago 2
Ableton live kicks ass,I've tried them all.Cakewalk products almost raped the music out of me.You probably posted this awhile ago,
but you've entered the world of "get ready to get pissed off at least once a day at your computer and programs".KVR website is great,Reaktor,fruity loops,Zebra 2 is the best soft synth ever.Steal the shit with torrents,try it out first,before wasting time
and money.then if you use it give those pizza eating bastards some money.
ChopPseudoJudo 3 years ago
Most packages offer free demo's in to facilitate testing. Do not steal software - you will end up with a half functioning virus ridden machine.
steakmonster 3 years ago
software sonar 6,sequencer and multitrack recording
plugin vsts
orchestal 4 gb , violin ¿?
u are original.
jimmyyankee 3 years ago
umm... WHAT?????
steakmonster 3 years ago
sorry to hear about your 3 day adventure with tech spport! But I would like to say that I have been using 64 bit xp for a good while now and have never had a hiccup in my system. Luckily all of my drivers were easy to find for the 64 bit o.s and everything is running smoothly! Best of luck with your work!
sombersanctuary 3 years ago
I'm using 64 bit vista now - its running very nicely... great to have a project using 6 gig RAM the other day and still have plenty of headroom. Of course there are some annoying incompatibilities, but this was to be expected and time cures things like this.
steakmonster 3 years ago
This is allways happening with me..
Pkcyriuz 3 years ago
lol...oh that sucks....i fucking hate when stuff times out.
signinname41 3 years ago
Very True.
vadim9687 3 years ago
Maybe the problem is the beeeeeer?? LOL :D
MaxSynths 3 years ago
Sonar is most likely the problem..That is why I use Pro tools M-powered rewired to ableton live and I use EWQL SO via Kontakt.
carylee2002 4 years ago
what keyboard is that?
Sonar is the buggiest DAW in industry, I have a quad core 4 gig ram emu 0404 and it still dropouts with about 6 plugins running (no more than 25% cpu load)
Unasked quote:
I would never put that up of whatever you're drinking on the keyboard like that.
ElPopularVale 4 years ago
I suspect programmers deliberetly program bugs to search out their competition and cause conflicts. or you are forced to buy third party books of so called tips and tricks to make it work. when they are really the instructions that should of come with the program in the first place.
RantVideos 4 years ago
I really dont think they are that clever - I think its simple streight forward neglignece and hunger for a swift return on investment. Thing is - they know the user base will test - and bug report - while paying for the privalidge - so why waste money on proper testing??
steakmonster 4 years ago
motu tech support sucks!!
adictiveadictive 4 years ago
Imagine that, with the nearly limit-less amount of combinations of processors, ram, OSs, mobos, cakewalk didn't have time to take into consideration every possible set up.
Believe me, if it were easy, they'd be doing it.
psyleid 4 years ago
Yuo miss the point entirely! And had you listened you would know that cakewalk software was not the main offender - nether did hardware conflicts have ANYTHING to do with the problems I was having when I made this video! I emulated Cakewalks demo machine part for part with the help of the company themselves anyway! This problem was purely software - and is now in the main resolved. I have been meaning to make an update.
steakmonster 4 years ago
Also you are completely wrong - there are not limit-less combinations of components, there are a few very simple choices, and Cakewalk do have pretty much all poss. combinations as test machines. You actually made me angry, posting such ill informed ridiculous statements on my video. Please understand your subject before you express an opinion on it next time, it will make you look less foolish.
steakmonster 4 years ago
I'm sorry, didn't mean to offend. You are right that I didn't pay attention, infact, I hit mute right when I came in.
I figured it was the typical dumbass complaining about the software not being completely idiot proof (as is typical on forums).
Again, I'm sorry.
On the upside, after watching it, I completely agree.
psyleid 4 years ago
While I understand the frustrations, the truth is there really are far more combinations of hardware/software than these small audio software companies can possibly test. Sound card drivers (which are notoriously bad with professional level cards), OS updates (terrible problem on Macs), conflicts with other software that wants to use the same hardware, security software, etc.
anders1245 3 years ago
Dude, im from Argentina (southamerica), let mi say that i feel the same way with mi stuff in animation a editing video. Yea Yea, you are the men dude. Your place, your office is super cool, great space, insperating. I want a offece like yours. Ok men, here from Argentina i say goodbye.
nicotubes 4 years ago
I know exactly how you feel!!
i've just spent alot of money on Logic studio 8 alot of it doesnt work ( but thats because of my old-ish mac ) and XP's cant handle anything !! so i use the mac for recording purposes ( you have a nice digital piano dont put drinks on it :P you could knock it over ) i hope to get logic up and running exactly how it shud be soon!
jamez123123 4 years ago
I feel for you man.. really do. I find the best way to get semi accurate advise is on the products official forums where others have probably had the same issues as you and already found how to fix them.
remoman 4 years ago
I have had the same problem!! only my misery gets worse cuz i have a single core 3ghz with 2gig ram. they expect everyone to have a masters in c+++ or some shit!! God help anyone who has no computer experience and see's these items and would just like to make a bit of music!!!
yourstupidyouknowtha 4 years ago
dont buy a mac ...for every ( minor ) upgrade you have to pay ..like an update from logic 7.0 to 7.2 ..they wan't you to pay for it ...hah and the best part is you have to upgrade your O.S. to ..which also costs money ..steve jobs ..lol
Best solution is to stick with your hardware ...I mean
I see you've got a roland xv 3080 ..has some nice orchestral sounds in it ..
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rosalinehotmommagm 4 years ago
I hear you, brother. Here are my co-rants to echo your statements... (YouTube limits comments to 500 characters so this didn't fit in a single post...):
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
Composing music vs the technical details of capturing music with a DAW are at opposite extremes of the spectrum. Each valuable skills, each a means to an end.
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
As for the technical support issues - I agree, it is very frustrating when technical support is spotty after a major purchase. Problem is, there are very few software companies making the kind of software we are trying to use, so we really have no alternative to the problem, and we are forced to suffer through the tech support jungle. That paradigm has turned us all into tech support assistants, out of necessity.
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
that's the reason most of the people out
there uses an illegal copy of programms
and uses dongle crack to use'em! ahahahahaha
Icybearg450 4 years ago
just because they don't give or assist\customer accordingly
they at least should give your money back!!
shame on them!!! and the industry of captain hook grows stronger more and more!!!
Icybearg450 4 years ago
As for the Mac solution proposed by others - I was a Mac fanatic when they came out (circa 1984) but got tired of the closed system and lack of software choices (as compared to PC) and switched over "to the dark side" and haven't looked back. I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one, but I have not regretted moving away from Apple products.
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
I was just wondering if you have used Windows vista (I have the 64bit version) yet? I have to say that I was extremely surprised at just how stable it is given all of the bad press it's had. I think the main problem beside manufacturers being so slow with drivers is that you really need 2gigs of ram or more. I've not done any audio stuff with it yet but vista's way of handling audio prosesing is sooo much better than XP.
ssssroryssss2 4 years ago
Vista 1- uses way too much system resources 2- annoys you with security pop-ups 3- won't run my software that I have to use for work.
eproulx 4 years ago
I have heard that service pack one for vista will totally replace the core elements with those from Microsoft's prototype Longhorn, so maybe Vista's image may change from "the worst Microsoft OS ever" to "the best Microsoft OS ever". I can't remember how to do it but you can disable the pop-ups. What software are you trying to use? I can't wait for Cubase 64bit :)
ssssroryssss2 4 years ago
Let's see... Vista is incompatible with the latest version of the Blackberry emulator, NEC VoIP app, and drivers for my piano. I'm sure others will be more than happy to list more software that won't work under Vista?
eproulx 4 years ago
I guess you've tried sending Emails to the makers of the software saying that no vista compatibility is not acceptable? The trouble with Vista is that despite what people say, it is completely different to xp. Have you tried right clicking on the program/properties and changing the compatibility mode? This doesn't always work though it's worth a try.
ssssroryssss2 4 years ago
Listen, I gave it a good try and it was a failure. I totally gave up on Vista. Whatever people may say about its cool features, there's ZERO productivity gains by upgrading to Vista. In the future things may change when people are forced to upgrade because of software and drivers only supported on Vista. Until then I'm happy with XP because I don't need to buy more RAM and get a bigger hard drive, and my CPU runs faster. By the way, at HOME I decided to ditch Windows and go with Ubuntu Linux.
eproulx 4 years ago
Sorry, I was just trying to help. I still use xp as well because most of the software I use isn't 64bit compatible let alone vista compatible. I did use Sonar 6 a couple of times of which was very stable and fast, but due too Sonar's stone age pain in the arse way of programing MIDI, I ditched it. What annoys me is that we have had 64bit processors for years but it's only now that most of us have the ability to use it, well only just. I would love to use linux but my VST's will not work.
ssssroryssss2 4 years ago
As for the dongle issue - I have never, and will never buy software which requires a hardware key to operate. I don't care if they are giving away the software, dongles are just an unacceptable solution to a behavorial problem which I don't even have.
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
Finally, I never buy rev 1.0 of anything, no matter how much the Marketing Machine says the product will save my life if I purchase it. I used to be a bleeding edge consumer, but now consider myself a smart consumer who values his time for other tasks besides being a glorified (and unpaid) beta tester.
iwanttobrowse 4 years ago
buy a mac
dojadojo 4 years ago
What if I want somthing i can actually buy software for? Oh and Apple were very rude to me once - until they apologise I will never buy a mac!
steakmonster 4 years ago
this is the result of trying to save money.
if you want things to work, buy a Mac with a pro tools or logic setup and i bet you wont have any software issues.
it seems that windows is not for music apps. i had one and it never worked so then i got a mac and it works.
clearlessmusic 4 years ago
DUDE USE REASON PROB SOLVED LOL
dj2bklyn 4 years ago
Do you really think reason is up to the task of serious film / tv music production on its own - Sure its great for some stuff as a rewire but stand alone you must realise its limitations!
steakmonster 4 years ago
trust me I use it all the time reason is the best way to avoid the shit my advice get the mirolav refill and if you have the time convert giga samplees for nnxt youll be all set I also do film scoreing so trust me.
dj2bklyn 4 years ago