@ AlienScientist - Great job doing this video. I have no idea why you would even bother to retort or debate someone like CrazyRay7979. It's now over ten years later and "the people" have still swallowed the whole myth. I'm amazed, startled, & dumbfounded at the reaction of the general public over the events that transpired throughout that awful day. People disappoint me on a daily basis for their lack of critical thinking skills. I'm glad I stumbled across you. I know now that I'm not alone.
Although probably correct, truthers will never come out on top unless they gain tons and tons of public support very quickly. As soon as you start becomming a threat to the government they'll use the CIA to assasinate you and make it look like an accident!!!
I wonder where the debunkers will go when the truth comes out. Will they look to their handlers for help. They will find none there. They will only find bullets aimed at their heads. The debunkers don't understand that they can never be allowed to tell anyone that the government hired them to do this. It would completely erode all confidence in the government.
NYFD Fire Chiefs on the ground said that 7 was badly damaged, and was fully involved with fire.
Sorry Bub...I will believe them long before I believe a YT CT Nutter.
My advice: turn off the puter, wash your face and some clothes, toss the bag of pot, check the job listings, try to find a GF. Try to get out and function.
There are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics)
At 3pm FDNY was pulling people back. That new accounts were muddled from that wtc7 is about to fall to has fallen is not a big leap. But you want to believe that someone tipped of the worldwide media BBC ahead of time cause they could not see for themselves? Details are very very sketchy is what was also said in that BBC report. instead to oops they got it wrong to oops they leaked a Govt conspiracy that was leaked to them for no reason.
@wolfyys Ditto, mate. As for me, I don't have to pretend. I actually understand physics. This guy is a scifi nerd. But this isn't a fucking movie. This is real life, and a very real several thousand people died. Stop spitting on their graves in an effort to feel important.
There was a 9/11 conspiracy.Several terrorists infiltrated our country and trained in flight schools and eventually hijacked airplanes using simple tools as weapons and flew them into buildings. Isn't that bizarre enough?
"I don't have to pretend. I actually understand physics"
LOL look whos trying to be important.
"Stop spitting on their graves in an effort to feel important."
Feel important?, Sorry I'm not as close minded as you want me to be, its called being a critical thinker. Your "with us or against us" mentality is the exact reason why the US is one of the most hated countries on earth.
Just like those morons who claim if your against US style diplomacy, your against freedom itself.
@wolfyys I don't have a with us or against us mentality. The majority of people, whether liberal or conservative or libertarian or a mixture thereof, know that 9/11 conspiracies are complete BS. I'm not trying to be important. I'm just sick of people spitting on the graves of thousands. You ARE NOT a critical thinker. If you were, you would look at the NIST report and see that the official story is 100% more grounded in fact and physics than the hodge podge conspiracies.
@wolfyys I mean, none of these conspiracies match up. Have you realized that? What would be the point of controlled demolition, for instance? I mean really, what's the point? Before the towers fell, thousands had already died from the plane impact and from fires. Isn't that enough right there to spark a war? Did planes actually crash there or were they missiles (different conspiracies say different things)? And if missiles, then what was the point of that? Why not just crash the actual planes?
@wolfyys And what about the plane in Pennsylvania? Some conspiracies say that was faked. If so...why? Again, what's the point in that? There already was enough to spark a war with the other 3 crashes. So why fake another? And if any of these crashes were faked, then where are the people?
Every conspiracy is totally POINTLESS. There's no point to controlled demolition, let alone all the other crazy stuff. There's so many wild consp theories, and none of them really fit together with each other
@wolfyys What you're doing is NOT thinking critically. It's making up your mind before the fact. If you look at the evidence, and at science, the conspiracy theories simply do not hold up whatsoever. And believe me, I've looked into them, along with the moon landing conspiracies. Its all utter garbage. The people who buy into this nonsense don't understand physics, or how photographs or videos work, and they're sifting through evidence trying to make it fit their preconception.
Securacom, why can't you say "Securacom"??? Probably because people will Google Marvin Bush and Securacom and see there's no connection as they didn't do any work at the WTC since 1998 and Marvin Bush left the company as a longtime board member in June 2000...so then you bring Wirt Walker III into the picture because he's a Bush cousin and was the CEO from '99-'02...but again, no work at the WTC after 1998...so there's nothing there...thanks for playing!
It astounds me that people with top CIA training and virtually unlimited funding and resources could have been so sloppy in the preparation and planning of the attacks. I guess this was a bit a of a sly move on their hand. Pretending to leave in 1998 while retaining contracts that would expire the morning of 9/11/2001, figuring all the records would be destroyed. Marvin even leaves the company in June (after the Ace Elevator renovation)
@AlienScientist Great video, I do also think that the CIA or whoever was behind it could've planned it better. Perhaps it was to fit in the numerology idea. I don't understand it but that might be why, they had to get it done by Sep 11. I found out by watching this guy on YT called FarhanK501. Peace.
Btw this isn't spam, what he says is quite shocking.
@AlienScientist so bad science = conspiracy? Dont think so bud. But I do know building 7 is a problem even for me. But until you show direct evidence that someone knew before hand that this was going to happen on this date, you have an empty sack bro. Show real evidence linking all this back to Bush and we can talk. Until then you are an Alex Jones nutjob. Sorry.
@Xamaza I have a weird feeling that you didn't even watch this video.....
He DID link the Bush's to 9/11. Marvin Bush, and George Bush's cousin Wirt Walker III were long-time members of the Board of Directors for Securicom, the company that turned off the security cameras and made it possible for the Banking/Ownership Elite to commit the mass murder of Americans, blame it on a well-known CIA operative (Bin Laden) who was "working out of Afghanistan", all while instead invading Iraq.....!
@OneHandHigh Being related to someone != they conspired bro. Dont be a retard. Evidence is clear. You can use the 6th degree of seperation to link ME to Bin Ladin if you try hard enough, that is NOT proof and does not mean *I* had anything to do with 9/11 either.
@Xamaza Speaking of retardation, that is some of the worst logic I've ever heard, even for YT. You have to be blind as fuck to not notice that the entire Bush family is a fucking evil empire that stretches back to George Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush who "was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."
The point is, the Bush's work as one evil entity, and OF COURSE Marvin Bush helped out his bro. DONT BE A RETARD!!
@OneHandHigh You can call me a retard, but you are jumping to conclusions, proving that you are in fact a retard. You are making baseless accusation without evidence. Until you have PROOF, something the conspiracy nuts NEVER have, stfu. Tired of morons that listen to Alex Jones spouting bullshit from unknown 'sources' then saying of course they are family so they conspired to blah blah blah. Even IF YOU ARE RIGHT, PROVE IT, dont speculate about what you THINK you know. You know shit.
@CrazyRay7979 What does that have to do with the building being demolished in a way that looks suspiciously like a controlled demolition? Who gives a damn who was in control of the building. Lets just take that off the table and try to explain how this hi-rise structure can fall down like that from fires alone? Could you please explain how this is possible?
Obviously I was replying to someone 6 MONTHS ago...
Funny, the only thing you Truthers have is the "looks like" B.S. Maybe if you understood what a tube-design skyscraper was, that the FDNY repoted the damage and fire, AND then predicted the collapse you'd get it...or are you calling the FDNY stupid and/or liars?
Explain why you think it isn't possible...oh, and the "no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire" has been disproven ever since Richard Gage made that comment
@CrazyRay7979 the "no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire" has been disproven ever since Richard Gage made that comment
Could you please enlighten me and show me some proof of what you just said? A link will do. Unless you have other sites to administer to. Getting kinda busy these days huh? Kinda wishin right now that you didn't sell your soul? It's not too late, you can still change your mind. Universal law 1. Everything is allowed. 2. Balance must be maintained.
If you have no idea about what I said, then YOU need to brush up on your 9/11 facts (the real ones)...it is NOT my job to spoon-feed you information that is widely available just so that you can then ignore it (as all Truthers do) and keep on with your uninformed standpoint (as all Truthers do)...
@CrazyRay7979 How about you tell me why NORAD did not shoot those planes down. Nothing happened for 82 minutes. You can't explain how an organization that had a 100 percent interception rate before 911 messed up 4 times on that day with no one being demoted but promoted. Explain NORAD please. I don't care about anything else. The rest is smoke and mirrors. The military does everything in triplicate. I want another investigation. How about that?
Obviousy, you don't even know what NORAD does, maybe you should look that up first...only AFTER 9/11 did NORAD begin to monitor all aircraft flying inside of the US
NORAD doesn't shoot down hijacked planes, NORAD wasn't even contacted regarding the hijackings until after both planes had already hit the WTC
@CrazyRay7979 I will restate my claim because I looked it up. Before 911, NORAD had a 100 percent interception rate dealing with 65 suspected hijackings. Standard operating procedures for NORAD were changed in June 2001, by executive order. Dick Cheeny was in charge of NORAD that day. September 12, 2001 standard operating procedures put back in place. Do you know anything about how this government works? Your just pounding on the table now to enhance your nonsense.
So instead of changing the subject...what does NORAD have to do with the WTC on 9/11?
LOL, you go from "explain NORAD" to "Cheney conspiracy"...
I just made you look like a fool; not knowing that NORAD wouldn't have shot down the hijacked planes, not knowing that NORAD wasn't even involved until after the 2nd Tower was hit...and you just reply with more conspiracy bullshit
Hell, why would the planes really even matter, you Truthers swear that 9/11 was a controlled demolition.
Suspicious power-downs and evacuations, says two people...not suspicious at all, buildings like the WTC are constantly being reconstructed, renovated, etc. and any large building and skyscraper has regular fire and emergency drills just like we used to have in school...and note that the claimed "power-down" was only in WTC2...
@CrazyRay7979, "Suspicious power-downs and evacuations, says two people...not suspicious at all" LOL! No, nothing suspicious there alright. Minimize the issue, lie about the numbers (more than two people reported the power-downs) and twist it around a fallacy which ignores the entire context of the situation.
We were talking about who could have planted nanothermite in the Twin Towers. You know, like the kind that scientists found in samples of WTC Dust, which is the same kind from LANL...
No building fell at free-fall speed or at near free-fall speed on 9/11, it's been proven and Truthers ignore the proof and repeat the same old conspiracy theory rhetoric so that other Truthers do not find out the truth
The BBC and CNN knew because the NYFD who were there at WTC7 announced that it was going to fall...so the news jumped the gun, so what? It happens all the time. So, what, you think the BBC and CNN are also behind 9/11 or something?
@CrazyRay7979 on Free Fall: "it's been proven and Truthers ignore the proof and repeat the same old conspiracy theory rhetoric so that other Truthers do not find out the truth"
WTC 7 endured 2.4 seconds of total free fall. No engineer can explain how a tall reinforced steel and concrete building could naturally collapse in this manner from briefly burning fires. NIST=FAIL.
The BBC and CNN's early intelligence report is more evidence of inside intelligence failures on 9/11. Yes.
@CrazyRay7979 This is just plain not true, unless you're calling NIST liars. Which would be appropriate. NIST admits 2.3 seconds of acceleration of gravity. Sorry, but the science you're RELYING on, NIST's report, is working against you here.
Soooo there wasn't 1,800ºF fire, oxygen, and sulfur present, huh? How is this get chalked up to "LIED to you" without any explanation?
While you're threatening to go after the NIST with a team of Truther lawyers, why don't you also protest the imprisonment of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Mustafa al-Hawsawi, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Walid bin Attash??? If it was an inside job then those guys are innocent, right?????????
@CrazyRay7979, I'll expose your entire technique for everyone right now. 1. Distort science. 2. Make fallacious argument. 3. Run Away by mentioning something ridiculous and unrelated to draw attention away from the debate. The men you mentioned are terrorists and I would never advise releasing them. I am advocating that TERRORISTS (like the Bush Administration and Al Qaeda) be investigated, and that they stand open trial where the public can hear everything they have to say under oath.
The highest temperatures that the picture of "thermal hot spots" shows is 1,377ºF...or the temperature of a bonfire, smoldering rubble, nothing more...
Thermite has never been used in a controlled demolition, any horizontal cutting device is theoretical and 9/11 predates it by several years
NFPA 921, again, same response as earlier
There were no "pools of molten iron", only a random metal or collection of random metals with a melting point of less than 1,377ºF (your NASA "hot spots" image)
And is that a surface gradient or a deep rubble temperature reading?
Nanothermite horizontal cutting devices most certainly predate 9/11. In fact that same Bush connected CIA front company that ran Security at the WTC and Dulles Airport also happened to be running security for Los Alamos during the time period when nanothermite was being developed and patented. No "pools of molten iron"? So the FDNY and 9/11 first responders are all lying? Please SHILL...You distort science.
The rant on the fire on the 12th floor is petty, there is no reason to spend over a minute on it since obviously there were fires on other floors at the time...
The next 3 minutes is only an assumption of what is combustible on those floors merely in opposition to what the report says in an attempt to cause controversy
NFPA 921: the NIST didn't do the professional fire investigaton, a professional fire investigator does...
TNT and RDX are the only explosives used in controlled demolitions
Thermite is listed in the CIA's explosives for sabotage manual, and the patents for nanothermite specifically state it's applications in Black Ops Demolition.
The NIST report is specifically titled as a Fire Safety Investigation. I guess you didn't even get past the cover...
So it's petty to talk about the facts and evidence for actual fires on the precise floors where the alleged failures occurred? LOL! This is fun, keep digging that hole deeper for yourself!
First the video starts out with complaining that it took 7 years when it didn't...they only did it because you Truthers kept complaining that a building that was destroyed not as a result of the attacks was not included in a report about the attacks..."crazy", huh?
3 weeks...how long would you have liked a review period to be? It's not like there were many independent researches out already with the same findings now were there? That's right, there were...
The Investigation itself took 3 years. The investigation was necessary because it's an anomalous event that cannot be explained. That's the only reason it was performed. It states directly in the report that it was a fire safety investigation. Yes it was done as a weak attempt at silencing the truth movement, but it clearly didn't work... More and more people wake up to the mountain of lies and contradictions in the Official Story every day. 3 weeks for a 10,000 page report?
Building 7 is the perfect example of how Conspiracy theorists twist and leave out info to prove their lies. Its fucking Pathetic. Im liberal as all hell but these theories are a total reach and hold no water.
If you are so "sick of debating this", why don't you stop? You've reached the top, so it might be a good time. Please point out one thing from this video or the sources in the description that is a "Lie", a "total reach" or anything that "hold(s) no water". The 9/11 cOmmission Report didn't even mention WTC Building 7, if you want to talk about "leaving out info to prove your lies"...
Just like NIST left out chemical analysis of physical debris, and tests for thermite/thermate.
The "mistakes" I point out in the NIST report are extremely conclusive, in fact you may even go as far as to say that they explain exactly how the building was demolished. By simply removing all the girder sheer studs from the main girders and painting thermite onto exposed beams thereby heating the steel and not the concrete slabs directly attached to it.
Any building collapse (especially ones involving the largest insurance claim in history) should be investigated for arson. NFPA921
Don't point the finger at me for the absurdity of what is being alleged... Point that finger at NIST as this is what is in THEIR report...
Actually it does matter that it was the SEC, since they were involved in a large scale fraud operation which was exposed by whistle blower Richard A. Grove scamming companies using the Sarbanes-Oxley regulation and a backdoor in the software they were forcing people to use. How do you cover up such a massive fraud?
@AlienScientist, What about the Structure Magazine report?? or the report by American Scientific? or Implosion World Demolitions? all of them well known are respected talk about the collapse. You think anyone with half a brain would listen to YOU "Alien Scientist" who probably does not have a degree in any field necessary to be critiquing NIST or anyone else.
What about Hearst Corporation propaganda? Respected by whom? The people with all the money they are stealing from the American people? I hate to tell you, but a lot of people respect my opinion more. Because I provide facts and evidence, and I am not being paid by some corporation who is connected with the corrupt cabal in the capitol.
Now.. Did you want to make an argument against the science presented in this video or just spread your paid propaganda?
@AlienScientist, Oh nice strawman arguement. How about proving the hearst corporation is complicit in the conspiracy instead of just making some grand assumption? You think all of these mostly privately owned companies are owned by the hearst corporation? Whatever say that is true, who cares? are you actually suggesting that dozens of magazines with thousands of people working for them follow the order to help cover up the murder of thousands of Americans? Try using evidence not empty words.
Popular Mechanics was bought out just a few months before it ran it's article. None of your editorial hit pieces address any of the real facts or evidence. Try addressing the free fall collapse time of WTC 7, the melted steel, or some of the other serious evidence and issues raised by "conspiracy theorists" instead of pushing empty propaganda, and claiming it as independent and objective.
...and you want to talk about "Straw man" arguments? Try addressing my video.
@AlienScientist, who bought out PM and how can you prove they are "in on it" if you can't then don't bring it up. I can name a dozen other well known scetifiic organization that have researched this and find no truth in the conspiracy.
Address your video, sure....NIST are working experts in this area you are some random guy named alien scietist on youtube who does not have a degree in any area to be able to question NIST or anyone else, i believe NIST not you and for good reason.
Too bad the WTC didn't fall at free-fall speed...it didn't fall anywhere close to free-fall speed...next time you try to debate, maybe you should learn some facts first
NIST has even admitted that WTC 7 endured 2.4 seconds of total Free Fall during the middle stage of its collapse. The WTC clearly came down in an unresisting, accelerated rate, the velocimetrics of which are not explainable within the context of conservation of momentum and energy given what we know about Building Collapses.
Any physics student can check and verify these FACTS. Try taking your own advice.
You Truthers already killed your argument about free-fall, you used to (and some still) say that the entire WTC7 collapse was at free-fall speed...totally false, it didn't even fall close to free-fall speed...
...so NOW you guys come up with this 2.4/2.5 seconds of free-fall...from NIST of all sources, so I guess NIST is "completely false" unless you're quoting it...nice hypocrisy...
Where did you get the quote "completely false" from? Or are you just making up straw man arguments since you don't have any real ones? This video very clearly points out exactly what is wrong with the NIST Report, I guess you didn't come here to address any of that though, you'd rather distort arguments twist around physics arguments and make empty claims like "You know nothing of building collapses"
Then why would I make entire videos about them giving details you can't address?
The quote is what you're obviously claiming...but you would rather whine about that than actually answering the reply...
Explain why you Truthers regard the entire NIST report as full of crap, yet you use a quote from it as a very weak arguing point?
See, when someone repeatedly shows complete ignorance of something, as you are with building collapses, it is an obvious fact that you know nothing about building collapses...
I can address every detail...you cannot refute them
You have yet to address a single detail or claim brought up in this video. Instead you keep repeating the same straw-man defense:
"Explain why you Truthers regard the entire NIST report as full of crap, yet you use a quote from it as a very weak arguing point?"
Once again... I DO NOT regard the ENTIRE NIST Report as Crap, in fact this video addresses EXACTLY what is crap about the NIST Report and Why. Are you here to address those issues, or push 9/11 Propaganda and Disinfo?
Why do you Truthers think that Popular Mechanics are the only ones that have completely debunked every one of your Truther theories? ...and it's so funny how you accuse them of being part of a crazy government cover-up...you are afraid of Popular Mechanics because you cannot refute them, so you demonize them
It's funny that you claim to be some kind of expert, yet you have no idea that WTC7 didn't fall at free-fall speed...it didn't fall anywhere near free-fall speed
First off, we have FACTS. Not theories. Secondly Popular Mechanics (and other NSA funded propaganda) have not addressed any of the facts or real issues raised by the 9/11 Truth Movement and instead rely on distorted Straw Man versions of the claims which are covered in exhaustive detail in the book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory", SEARCH: "NIST Admits Free-Fall" and stop lying...
Wrong...there are no facts in any Truther conspiracy theory...
Nobody HAS to respond to you Truthers, do you think that every idiotic theory and it's several morphing branches of idiocy should be covered by groups and entities that have more important things to do?
Popular Mechanics is not a group/entity that exists solely for 9/11...you got completely debunked by a publication that focused on the issue once...Truthers spend all day, every day trying to prove PopMech wrong...
Try reading "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" alongside Popular Mechanic's book. Unlike your Yellow-Journalism Propaganda piece, David Ray Griffin cites 63 pages of sources in his 392 page book, the first quarter of which is spent tediously going through the FAA, NORAD, NTSB, and other Military Data with a fine toothed comb.
Why don't you spend a day reading that book, and see who has FACTS... LOL You have no argument against this video and now you are stalling...
Too bad that's all already been debunked...back in 2007 when the book came out...maybe you should look into that...and before you read a book by a Theologist whose own religious publisher has released statements that the conspiracy theory "is spurious and based on questionable research"
See, when you're ignorant to the complete bullshit in a book/video/website, it doesn't work well as proof...because lies, hearsay, and conjecture are not proof...
I did look into it... You're full of shit, and you probably never even read the book. Nice Ad Hominem Rebuttal though, I half expected you to respond with something along these lines as you have no facts or evidence to argue in on about the topic of 9/11 itself, so instead you resort to personal attacks on the authors religion, completely ignoring the plethora of facts and evidence presented in his book and how they utterly destroy your Popular Mechanics Propaganda. LOL... Shills.
You have no facts, they are theories, at best...and for you to say "Oh, just read so-and-so's book for all the info" is NOT an answer or an adequate response to my comment...
You have failed to provide any proof that WTC7 fell in your supposed 7 seconds and/or free-fall speed or near free-fall speed
You think that the NIST was obligated to comment on WTC7 even though it was merely collateral damage, it took 7 years because you Truthers kept whining, so they finally did it
@CrazyRay7979, Sorry but the free fall issue has been tested and proven:
watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I
NIST was hired to cover up the truth for a bunch of rich bankers and intelligence agents that made Trillions off 9/11.
They wouldn't even test for explosives because they were too afraid of what they might find. So they made up lies and excuses for why they didn't have to. Sorry, but no amount of excuse and lies will ever be able to cover up what really happened on 9/11. The TRUTH will come out.
...and I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how you are able to quote part of a report that Truthers say is full of crap, and stand behind it...
I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of a "lie, hearsay, or conjecture" presented in this video, never mind in David Ray Griffin's book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". If your next post on my video does not contain a factual argument or rebuttal against something in this video, it will be deleted and you will be blocked. I will not tolerate foolish propagandists who won't address facts or evidence and rely on a continuous string of Ad Hominems and lies.
We're not talking about this video..we're talking about how you can directly quote the NIST paper WHILE saying that it's complete bullshit...why are you trying to change the subject?
P.S. Threats to block someone from your page are an indication of a loss in an argument
@CrazyRay7979 Why is it that anyone that challenges the facts of the 911 comission report or nist is labelled as a truther???
people that are not affraid to ask questions.
Nist have not answered all the questions they claim no molten metal or steel was found at ground zero despite numerous fire fighters and rescue workers reporting that there clearly was.
And there wtc7 building model looked nothing like the collapse we all saw and they don't release there data for these models !?!?
@bman342 said "And why in the world would NIST even begin thinking about testing debris for thermite?"
Because it's required by law. Because it's NFPA 921 protocol.
-"The whole thermite business is borderline ridiculous."
If it's so ridiculous why did NIST feel the need to address thermite and explosives in their report at all? Have you read that section of their report? You want to talk about ridiculous? Go read the excuses they make up...
Nanothermite was CREATED for Black Ops demo jobs...
@AlienScientist So since building 7 burned for 7 hrs are we supposed to believe that there were explosives or thermitematenano, being used in a demolition setup , that would have to be complicated to say the least , cuz its covert ya know. Really ?bombs in a burning building just waiting to be set of whenever you feel like it? Or in 1 and 2 =bombs just chillin next to a burning 767 that hit the building at 400mph just waiting for someone to push a button?
All theories have been debunked. If you still believe the inside job idea then you are just stubborn. And if your American then you are a prime example of what is wrong with Americans. It makes America look like idiots who have seen too many movies. I'm very liberal. I HATE the bush adm.. After examining every inch of evidence, its obvious that the idea of a conspiracy in foolish to say the least, and these theorists are reaching as far as they can for proof. They are hateful"TRAITORS".
Not true. NIST did not test for chemical evidence of explosives. Therefor you have no counter-evidence and can not debunk the explosive thermite demolition hypothesis, until you examine physical evidence and perform thorough peer review chemical examination.
I highly doubt you've seen the miles of evidence if you only examined an inch... There's nothing from this video to debunk, it's all right in the NIST Report. You can try to debunk some of my other 9/11 video if you want.
Whats your explanation for the video of WTC7 falling apart before the collapse? Or the fire dept. description of the damage don't to the building. Im sick of debating this. And if you think that the fact that they didnt test for thermite is proof or evidence of any kind just makes you seem unintelligent. People see and believe what they want to.
Why does the NIST Model look nothing like the actual collapse?
Why did WTC 7's destruction have the classic "crimp and implode" of a controlled demolition? Why did WTC 7's collapse fit all the characteristics of a controlled demolition and none of a fire induced collapse? What melted holes through the steel from Building 7 like swiss cheese leaving a sulfide eutectic mixture behind and razor sharp edges. (Fema Report Appendix C)
ok but what started the fire in there some random towel head walkin around in the building. Cmon really u guys r so stupid to think arabs did this amazing to me how naieve people can b sometimes
seriously anyone who still has doubts in their mind who did this. WAKE UP!!!
How the fuk can some people still think terriost did it. They brainwashed by fox. So much evidence now yet who the fuk can put these war criminals in their place?
good video ,and good posts,,david chandlers posts are excellent as well,according to the original version a fire caused about 50 steel frame columns ,600 feet high all connected by a steel structure of 47 floors to all fail simultaneously and fall at close to free fall speed. what force made 600 feet of steel collapse to close to nothing in less than ten seconds??no one knows! props to the maker of this videoto david chandler, david ray griffin at all ( read pg.224 -244 of griffins wtc7 book)
Evidence people...all these questions COULD be asnwered but in the 411 days it took for the investigation to begin...ALL the debris from wtc buildings was hauled away and destroyed...all the pentagon debris and the 85 video tapes of the pentagon thathave no reason to be withheld and could cast all doubts away as to what hit the pentagon..blatant omissions of KEY testimony like Norman Mineta's of Cheney's actions on 911...and bush and cheney REFUSING to be underoath(how is that legal)so Obvious
You are awesome AlienScientist. You put me to shame. Sadly, I do not have the education to help you with your research. I am however very curious about the things you discuss, especially anti gravity technology. I'm sorry that you're mostly alone in your pursuit for truth*technological truth*. I know you're fighting for truth... No one will ever praise you. Flattery is not praise, you have to understand to acknowledge and give credit. I'm sorry for you, but you have my highest regards.
You can refer these idiot debunkers to the Erik Shultz EPA Dust Study.
They like to nit-pick and focus on tiny details rather than see the forest through the trees, so to speak...
You can also refer them to Appendix C of the FEMA Report, and ask why NIST didn't perform any chemical spectrographic analyses on any physical samples from the WTC...
And another thing, the info about building 7, I seen an image of the building while the little fires were burning, and a quarter of the building was already missing. If you take away a quarter of a building, its gonna fall. Im a subscriber of yours and a huge fan of your thoughts and theories, but I have to disagree with this one. I was with you until I seen the photo of the building already in shambles. This showed my how they knew it was coming down.
Windsor tower burned hotter for 20 hours straight and didn't come down. When buildings fall from this kind of damage, they don't fall symmetrically. It's impossible. Sorry but you are wrong. A quarter of the building was not missing, nor would this of caused a symmetrical free fall. Watch his other 911 video, has some good info in it.
if 25% of the building was scooped out(still waiting to see photos of this) how could it collapse straight down at near free-fall speed?Doesnt logic tell you that it would topple and would cause sever damage to the buildings next to wtc7?Pools of MOLTEN metal?Think of HOW important examing the steel beams and the aftermath of 911 was to the investigation...its like a murder trial where the prosecution(bush and the gang)destroy all the evidence that would prove their case before trial begins!
That was a typo on my behalf, I meant to say a corner instead of a quarter. A large piece of a corner was missing. I have no idea why I was writing quarter.
lol nope...no typo you said it twice and qualified it with"if you take away a quarter of the building...it will fall"wouldnt make any since if you said"a corner was missing..and if you take away a corner of a building it will fall" makes absolutuely no sense because a corner WOULD NOT CAUSE A FREE FALL COLLAPSE!!!!
The window blasts were from the debris falling causing air pressure increases in lower floors. There was one fireman who survived being inside the twin towers, the only reason he lived is because the air pressure from the building falling threw him across the room into the corner where he was pinned against the wall by air pressure. You have to consider the weight of the building as it is coming down, forcing air out of anywhere below it, the windows on lower floors are the weak spots.
I agree fully with you......however these forces were never figured into ANY 911 Official report on the collapse. They would be a minor, but resistance nonetheless.
Amazing that you and I thought of this but NIST didnt.....
The jet steams of air were clocked at around 125 MPH and very focused. If the pressure came from the elevators the entire level of windows would be blown out open floor plan. These focused jets, (squibs) are typical when explosives are being used. There was evidence of an explosive called NANO thermite, both unexploded and residuals from thermite. Also melted pools of steel still molten three weeks later. What could cause 3000 Degrees+ Military NANO Thermite not office fire/jet fuel/other
Are you seriously trying to convince people of that? If thermite was used, it would have burned very quickly and unpredictably. The steel could not have been molten 3 weeks later unless a heat source was present. The only thing that would have burned that long is phosphorous. Which only burns at 1,000 degrees, not hot enough to melt steel that has a melting point of 2,500 degrees. I work with metal and everything I know about it tells me you are full of it and believe anything someone tells you.
If you are willing to believe that burning office furniture and paper could take down the entire building, why can't you believe an accelerant such as thermite could have been used???
Your logic makes no sense...
You would on one hand believe that Kerosine (one of the fastest burning accelerants) could weaken the structure enough to bring it down, but then use the same excuse to rule out thermite, (which burns MUCH hotter)
You need to put aside your stigmas and look at the facts.
If that was aimed at me I assure you that I have my own theories about what happened that day. Not one of them includes a handful of middle eastern men with box cutters hijacking planes. But at the same time if you have a plane weighing 250,000+ lbs flying at over 400 mph, I think you could agree that there would be substantial building damage including supports for the entire building. I do think there was a massive cover up, but I don't think they had to do anything to bring the building down.
You know this video and the response you're replying to has nothing to do with planes flying into buildings right? Another person that calls people morons yet doesn't even know the what building 7 is (it seems like it at least), it's amazing how many I've encountered recently.
Point 1: but not enough to bring it down in a downward fashion
Point 2: planes structural density are rather low so most of the energy would be adsorbed back it's like punching a brick wall you'll the force of the punch is sent right back into your hand causing damage to self not wall.
Point 3: over the course of time except in the case of excellerent fire temperatures can't reach the level needed to liquidfy steel cross members that are fire rated by both nfpa and city code standards
don't worry, i'm not trying to be antagonistic--you seem like you're intelligent enough to be confronted with challenges to your opinions without insulting/censoring/blocking people.
i'll buy that WTC7 was "pulled" in the domolition sense as the owner saw an opportunity to make a lot of financial records dissappear and cash in on insurance.
but as far as the rest of the incidents of 9-11 go, ask yourselves this question: If it was an inside job, why were none of the perpetrators iraqis? The neocons did everything they could to FABRICATE a link between Saddam and al-quaida after the fact. Wouldn't they have set him up as the scapegoat to begin with?
They needed to go to Afghanistan first to stop the Taliban from eradicating the opium crop. That was their first priority. They just recently announced that the opium production in Afghanistan is so out of control that they are giving up trying to fight it. This is a problem that had taken care of itself before the US invasion of that country. Since 2001 opium production in Afghanistan has gone up over 3000% !!!
The only link between Saddam and Bin Laden is the BCCI.
afghanistan was more about a central asian oil pipeline than opium. and none of the 911 attackers were afghans or talibanis.
also, very soon after 911, cheney instructed tenet to "find a link" to iraq--the invasion of which was the major component of the neocon agenda.
911 was suspiciously convenient for the neocons, but if they were clever enough to execute such a well-crafted conspiracy why were they so bad at everything else they tried to do?
They were trying to put together a deal with the Taliban in Afghanistan to run an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan to the coast but I think they thought it easier to just get rid of the Taliban. Opium is just another one of the many reasons.
You admit WTC7 was a controlled demolition. Then you have to ask yourself how they planned and accomplished such a feat that normally takes weeks? They have to get the blueprints, the explosives, set everything, and so on and on. How did they do this with all this commotion going on? If they got explosives in #7, then why is it so hard to believe they did the same to the other buildings?
i can only guess. maybe the explosives were there for a long time, waiting for an opportunity. after all, the wtc was bombed in 1993, and there were intelligence reports circulating that the same terrorist groups were plotting to attack the wtc again. like i said, it's only a guess.
i am not ABSOLUTELY convinced that bldg 7 was a controlled demolition, but given the visual evidence and the owner's statements, i will concede that it is not implausible.
Nanothermites were first created after the WTC collision. However, you probably would argue that the government used their alien technology to go back in time to get the substance, right?
If you had watched my videos and paid attention you would know that I am completely against the notion of time travel.
You will however notice that the public has a tendency to find out about things the Government and military have known about for a much longer period of time...
yeah that is my dilema how wtc 1 & 2 fell straight down. the first one that fell showed the top leaning. i still question why it didn't just fall over and the rest of the tower be o.k. because fire and damage wouldn't have evenly dispersed in both towers.
If heat rises, then thirty floors below the plane impact, should NOT be affected. How can steell 30 floors below the impact, turn red hot? How can the entire buildings collapse to dust?
every one who thinks the 911 attacks was done as a false flag operation ---make a video put it on the net ---stating we know it was and ****WE THE PEOPLE**** will not fall for it again---one voice is not heard but many are
Dont know what to say?? Maybe when you get into unviversty and sciences open an avenue in your mind that will lead you to te qquestions you have..atomic thoery wold better helpa person understand what happened here..The atomic structure of matter,being rearranged by what?? Fire..What happens next ??it weakens or loses its tensile strength,anneals..Carbon added to give steel the ability to hold weight and bind the atoms together no longer is possible.deformation occurs and the steel breaks,,
So you think that the people that designed those buildings were ingnorants? So if a fire occured or a plane crashed in those buildings, they would go down like they did? Dont you think that everyone that worked on the plans and blue prints didnt know something like that would happen, that fire would be so intense that the steel would bent? seriously... you still need to study it seems..
.They knew WTC7 was coming down..Because of fire..They had people moved from the site and did not lose any lives when it collapsed..Check out a vid on utube.Its called Shermans neckties,it shows how easy steel can be bent after it turns redhot.
there is no building in history that have collapsed because of fire, do your research, and most of all, WTC7 was a bunker for many highly important Co. that building have more then twice the safety standards of any structure in NYC, and had a 23 floor with self ventilation and fire proof walls and everything possible to resist an attack or fire.. seriously do your research..
I did..I knew the towers were coming down on 9/11/01 ..I was the one who warned them to get out of there and I explained why it was going to collapse..I was right..South tower then the north then 7..Others were damaged..Hindsite is 20/20 and many of you people still are blind as a bat..Try working with steel..
brainwashed...wake up dude, no buildings in history have collapsed due to internal fire, WTC7 didnt have any structural damage, everyone could see that... anyhow, this conversation is useless..
Brainwashed??? How does that have anythiing to do with being right..Any gunsmith ,blacksmith ,or welder can tell you why it takes little heat to weaken steel..The building shared the same foundation as WTC complex.which had a large atrium.the front corner was smashed out and the weight had to be redistribute it self to compensate..Throw in the fire unchecked and it weakens steel....The building was coming down...Nothing mysterious about it....Get a job working with steel..Let your mind open ....
In theory, what your saying is really plosible, but why do Nist denied that molten pool of steal was on the site weeks after the event, all workers saw those. Why is that they had to export that steel to china?. The colapse itself is really unusual, why do we use explosifs? to minimize the surrounding damage, so if those 3 buildings failed due to fire, hell, why do we hire Demolition expert to take down buildings, if fire work really well do it, and by itself.. Come on..lmao
I did see that vid and what I think happened was the one that went down in shanksville was supposed to hit wtc7 .. So what they did was send out a guy saying "it's coming down" they started clearing the perimeter.. Damage control being the jet missed and they had to take out the solomon building so they could steal billions from investors "i was one of them" SOLON SMITH BARNEY?? who here lost money with them?? I'm broke thanks to them.
the jet missed.?.It would have had to fly around buildings to hit WTC7. I thought it was A fire Chief who did not want to lose any more men,,So he ordered his men out .Told them top pull back ..
Well the first thing wrong with this "investigation" of 9/11 is the way the good ol' government used itself to investigate itself. just like the Warren Commission for the Kennedy assassination. What a scam and load of shit they foist onto the people. Since when do we use criminals to investigate criminals? Oh and lets not forget about the judges. The "system" is a system of, for, and by criminals. "CRIMINAL" justice system is exactly what the name implies. Karma is a bitch!
yeah, like your gonna get the truth when smeone investigates itself. kinda like when your teaches askes you to check your own paper. whatever grade you say he/she will believe
hiding something from everybody because they caused the deaths of many innocent Iraqi children, as well as the blowback from their secret sanctions on poorer countries causing the death of 2000 American citizens. In the end, they have much to hide.
IT didn't post my other two comments, well, basically he said that the U.S.A will not know peace until the situation in Palestine in settled, and that we insulted Islam by making infidels [U.S. soldiers] guard Saudi Arabia which of course has some of the religions holiest sites.
This is just what I heard from a very reliable source. However it should be noted that this does not mean our government isn't trying to cover something up, it blatantly is, because either way you look at it, they were
It should be noted that Osama Bin Laden did admit to having part in the attacks in an interview with Al Jazeera on October 7, 2001. In the interview he stated three reasons for doing this, none of which are usually mentioned by the media. 1:"The U.S. -imposed sanctions against IRaq from 1991 to 9/11: One million Iraqi children have thus far died although they did not do anything wrong" It should be noted that we sanctioned their ability to repair water treatment plants as well as
Check the complete 9/11 timeline at Historycommons. org or check all the mainstream articles on 911articlesOnline. com and search for all the various statements made about 9/11 by Osama Bin Laden...
They are all quite conflicting....
Either way you should know a couple other things about Bin Laden, such as the bank he used (BCCI) and also his connections with the ISI...
alienscientist do you think that aliens with there high energy technology could have structually weakened the steel that made up the building enough for it to collapse because theres a video that shows a glimpse of a ufo beside the two towers
I also believe is a inside job because of the overwhelming FACTS about controlled demolition. You even forgot to mention, even being shown in the video, the diagonal cut on the steel frame only possible with demolition charges. No fire in history in ANY country has brought down a steel building before 9/11.
It was not Al-Qaeda. The hijackers were not afghani; they were all Saudi Arabian. Osama Bin Laden never admitted to it. They just blamed it on Osama to divert attention from Saudi Arabia (which is a crucial partner to US interests), and then go into Iraq.
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I think it was Al-Qaeda who is responsible. I don't see any logical reason for US to blow up their own buildings. Al-Qaeda chas already claimed responsibility for it anyway. There are videos of people claiming that there were infact NO AIRPLANES at all. THe video footage we all saw on the news was made in Hollywood. Does that sound realistic?
there is no truth. accept the mystery.
RandomMessiah 3 months ago
@ AlienScientist - Great job doing this video. I have no idea why you would even bother to retort or debate someone like CrazyRay7979. It's now over ten years later and "the people" have still swallowed the whole myth. I'm amazed, startled, & dumbfounded at the reaction of the general public over the events that transpired throughout that awful day. People disappoint me on a daily basis for their lack of critical thinking skills. I'm glad I stumbled across you. I know now that I'm not alone.
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TYPICAL TRUTHER VS DEBUNKER ARGUEMENT:
9/11 truther: 80-90 camera's on at the Pentagon on 9/11 and none clearly captured the Flight 77 crash.
Debunker: WHAAAAAAAAT!
Truther: i've just told you.
debunker: w3 hav3 footag3 of a plan3 crash at t3h p3ntagon. (shows 5 frames of bad quality which is clearly censored)
truther: *face palm*
theFunnierWill211187 5 months ago
Although probably correct, truthers will never come out on top unless they gain tons and tons of public support very quickly. As soon as you start becomming a threat to the government they'll use the CIA to assasinate you and make it look like an accident!!!
PlaneAU 7 months ago
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PlaneAU 7 months ago
I wonder where the debunkers will go when the truth comes out. Will they look to their handlers for help. They will find none there. They will only find bullets aimed at their heads. The debunkers don't understand that they can never be allowed to tell anyone that the government hired them to do this. It would completely erode all confidence in the government.
Daddyo930 8 months ago 3
Take your Incredulity to someone who cares.
NYFD Fire Chiefs on the ground said that 7 was badly damaged, and was fully involved with fire.
Sorry Bub...I will believe them long before I believe a YT CT Nutter.
My advice: turn off the puter, wash your face and some clothes, toss the bag of pot, check the job listings, try to find a GF. Try to get out and function.
LindaStevensBZ 8 months ago
You actually read 10000 pages of government report? Kudos man, but your "facts" point to nothing more than bureaucratic sloppiness.
sustainpedal66 10 months ago
There are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics)
tlages 10 months ago
At 3pm FDNY was pulling people back. That new accounts were muddled from that wtc7 is about to fall to has fallen is not a big leap. But you want to believe that someone tipped of the worldwide media BBC ahead of time cause they could not see for themselves? Details are very very sketchy is what was also said in that BBC report. instead to oops they got it wrong to oops they leaked a Govt conspiracy that was leaked to them for no reason.
hellasow 10 months ago
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dinsdale335 1 year ago
reading these comments really shows how many close minded people exist in the world.
I can't believe people will personally attack you if you don't act like a sheep like everyone else.
I see the government has managed to twist "open minded" to "conspiracy nut"
Conspiracy nut = anyone who can think for themselves aka, not sheeple
wolfyys 1 year ago
@wolfyys Keep pretending you're important kid.
Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1
Keep pretending your smart mate.
wolfyys 1 year ago
@wolfyys Ditto, mate. As for me, I don't have to pretend. I actually understand physics. This guy is a scifi nerd. But this isn't a fucking movie. This is real life, and a very real several thousand people died. Stop spitting on their graves in an effort to feel important.
There was a 9/11 conspiracy.Several terrorists infiltrated our country and trained in flight schools and eventually hijacked airplanes using simple tools as weapons and flew them into buildings. Isn't that bizarre enough?
Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1
"I don't have to pretend. I actually understand physics"
LOL look whos trying to be important.
"Stop spitting on their graves in an effort to feel important."
Feel important?, Sorry I'm not as close minded as you want me to be, its called being a critical thinker. Your "with us or against us" mentality is the exact reason why the US is one of the most hated countries on earth.
Just like those morons who claim if your against US style diplomacy, your against freedom itself.
wolfyys 1 year ago
@wolfyys I don't have a with us or against us mentality. The majority of people, whether liberal or conservative or libertarian or a mixture thereof, know that 9/11 conspiracies are complete BS. I'm not trying to be important. I'm just sick of people spitting on the graves of thousands. You ARE NOT a critical thinker. If you were, you would look at the NIST report and see that the official story is 100% more grounded in fact and physics than the hodge podge conspiracies.
Pwells1 1 year ago
@wolfyys I mean, none of these conspiracies match up. Have you realized that? What would be the point of controlled demolition, for instance? I mean really, what's the point? Before the towers fell, thousands had already died from the plane impact and from fires. Isn't that enough right there to spark a war? Did planes actually crash there or were they missiles (different conspiracies say different things)? And if missiles, then what was the point of that? Why not just crash the actual planes?
Pwells1 1 year ago
@wolfyys And what about the plane in Pennsylvania? Some conspiracies say that was faked. If so...why? Again, what's the point in that? There already was enough to spark a war with the other 3 crashes. So why fake another? And if any of these crashes were faked, then where are the people?
Every conspiracy is totally POINTLESS. There's no point to controlled demolition, let alone all the other crazy stuff. There's so many wild consp theories, and none of them really fit together with each other
Pwells1 1 year ago
@wolfyys What you're doing is NOT thinking critically. It's making up your mind before the fact. If you look at the evidence, and at science, the conspiracy theories simply do not hold up whatsoever. And believe me, I've looked into them, along with the moon landing conspiracies. Its all utter garbage. The people who buy into this nonsense don't understand physics, or how photographs or videos work, and they're sifting through evidence trying to make it fit their preconception.
Pwells1 1 year ago
I've actually saved "All comments" to my hard drive A.S.
You're a dimond debater.
hunkydoryorder 1 year ago
Securacom, why can't you say "Securacom"??? Probably because people will Google Marvin Bush and Securacom and see there's no connection as they didn't do any work at the WTC since 1998 and Marvin Bush left the company as a longtime board member in June 2000...so then you bring Wirt Walker III into the picture because he's a Bush cousin and was the CEO from '99-'02...but again, no work at the WTC after 1998...so there's nothing there...thanks for playing!
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
It astounds me that people with top CIA training and virtually unlimited funding and resources could have been so sloppy in the preparation and planning of the attacks. I guess this was a bit a of a sly move on their hand. Pretending to leave in 1998 while retaining contracts that would expire the morning of 9/11/2001, figuring all the records would be destroyed. Marvin even leaves the company in June (after the Ace Elevator renovation)
Who's Playing? Is this a GAME to you?
AlienScientist 1 year ago 6
@AlienScientist Great video, I do also think that the CIA or whoever was behind it could've planned it better. Perhaps it was to fit in the numerology idea. I don't understand it but that might be why, they had to get it done by Sep 11. I found out by watching this guy on YT called FarhanK501. Peace.
Btw this isn't spam, what he says is quite shocking.
N4RVS 11 months ago
@AlienScientist so bad science = conspiracy? Dont think so bud. But I do know building 7 is a problem even for me. But until you show direct evidence that someone knew before hand that this was going to happen on this date, you have an empty sack bro. Show real evidence linking all this back to Bush and we can talk. Until then you are an Alex Jones nutjob. Sorry.
Xamaza 10 months ago
@Xamaza I have a weird feeling that you didn't even watch this video.....
He DID link the Bush's to 9/11. Marvin Bush, and George Bush's cousin Wirt Walker III were long-time members of the Board of Directors for Securicom, the company that turned off the security cameras and made it possible for the Banking/Ownership Elite to commit the mass murder of Americans, blame it on a well-known CIA operative (Bin Laden) who was "working out of Afghanistan", all while instead invading Iraq.....!
OneHandHigh 10 months ago
@OneHandHigh Being related to someone != they conspired bro. Dont be a retard. Evidence is clear. You can use the 6th degree of seperation to link ME to Bin Ladin if you try hard enough, that is NOT proof and does not mean *I* had anything to do with 9/11 either.
Xamaza 10 months ago
@Xamaza Speaking of retardation, that is some of the worst logic I've ever heard, even for YT. You have to be blind as fuck to not notice that the entire Bush family is a fucking evil empire that stretches back to George Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush who "was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."
The point is, the Bush's work as one evil entity, and OF COURSE Marvin Bush helped out his bro. DONT BE A RETARD!!
OneHandHigh 10 months ago
@OneHandHigh You can call me a retard, but you are jumping to conclusions, proving that you are in fact a retard. You are making baseless accusation without evidence. Until you have PROOF, something the conspiracy nuts NEVER have, stfu. Tired of morons that listen to Alex Jones spouting bullshit from unknown 'sources' then saying of course they are family so they conspired to blah blah blah. Even IF YOU ARE RIGHT, PROVE IT, dont speculate about what you THINK you know. You know shit.
Xamaza 10 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 What does that have to do with the building being demolished in a way that looks suspiciously like a controlled demolition? Who gives a damn who was in control of the building. Lets just take that off the table and try to explain how this hi-rise structure can fall down like that from fires alone? Could you please explain how this is possible?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
Obviously I was replying to someone 6 MONTHS ago...
Funny, the only thing you Truthers have is the "looks like" B.S. Maybe if you understood what a tube-design skyscraper was, that the FDNY repoted the damage and fire, AND then predicted the collapse you'd get it...or are you calling the FDNY stupid and/or liars?
Explain why you think it isn't possible...oh, and the "no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire" has been disproven ever since Richard Gage made that comment
CrazyRay7979 10 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 the "no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire" has been disproven ever since Richard Gage made that comment
Could you please enlighten me and show me some proof of what you just said? A link will do. Unless you have other sites to administer to. Getting kinda busy these days huh? Kinda wishin right now that you didn't sell your soul? It's not too late, you can still change your mind. Universal law 1. Everything is allowed. 2. Balance must be maintained.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
If you have no idea about what I said, then YOU need to brush up on your 9/11 facts (the real ones)...it is NOT my job to spoon-feed you information that is widely available just so that you can then ignore it (as all Truthers do) and keep on with your uninformed standpoint (as all Truthers do)...
...now answer my questions
CrazyRay7979 10 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 How about you tell me why NORAD did not shoot those planes down. Nothing happened for 82 minutes. You can't explain how an organization that had a 100 percent interception rate before 911 messed up 4 times on that day with no one being demoted but promoted. Explain NORAD please. I don't care about anything else. The rest is smoke and mirrors. The military does everything in triplicate. I want another investigation. How about that?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
Obviousy, you don't even know what NORAD does, maybe you should look that up first...only AFTER 9/11 did NORAD begin to monitor all aircraft flying inside of the US
NORAD doesn't shoot down hijacked planes, NORAD wasn't even contacted regarding the hijackings until after both planes had already hit the WTC
The planes had their transponders turned off
"How about that?"
CrazyRay7979 10 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 I will restate my claim because I looked it up. Before 911, NORAD had a 100 percent interception rate dealing with 65 suspected hijackings. Standard operating procedures for NORAD were changed in June 2001, by executive order. Dick Cheeny was in charge of NORAD that day. September 12, 2001 standard operating procedures put back in place. Do you know anything about how this government works? Your just pounding on the table now to enhance your nonsense.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
So instead of changing the subject...what does NORAD have to do with the WTC on 9/11?
LOL, you go from "explain NORAD" to "Cheney conspiracy"...
I just made you look like a fool; not knowing that NORAD wouldn't have shot down the hijacked planes, not knowing that NORAD wasn't even involved until after the 2nd Tower was hit...and you just reply with more conspiracy bullshit
Hell, why would the planes really even matter, you Truthers swear that 9/11 was a controlled demolition.
CrazyRay7979 10 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 "that" was retarded,lol.
frenchfrog1979 7 months ago
Suspicious power-downs and evacuations, says two people...not suspicious at all, buildings like the WTC are constantly being reconstructed, renovated, etc. and any large building and skyscraper has regular fire and emergency drills just like we used to have in school...and note that the claimed "power-down" was only in WTC2...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979, "Suspicious power-downs and evacuations, says two people...not suspicious at all" LOL! No, nothing suspicious there alright. Minimize the issue, lie about the numbers (more than two people reported the power-downs) and twist it around a fallacy which ignores the entire context of the situation.
We were talking about who could have planted nanothermite in the Twin Towers. You know, like the kind that scientists found in samples of WTC Dust, which is the same kind from LANL...
AlienScientist 1 year ago 3
No building fell at free-fall speed or at near free-fall speed on 9/11, it's been proven and Truthers ignore the proof and repeat the same old conspiracy theory rhetoric so that other Truthers do not find out the truth
The BBC and CNN knew because the NYFD who were there at WTC7 announced that it was going to fall...so the news jumped the gun, so what? It happens all the time. So, what, you think the BBC and CNN are also behind 9/11 or something?
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 on Free Fall: "it's been proven and Truthers ignore the proof and repeat the same old conspiracy theory rhetoric so that other Truthers do not find out the truth"
WTC 7 endured 2.4 seconds of total free fall. No engineer can explain how a tall reinforced steel and concrete building could naturally collapse in this manner from briefly burning fires. NIST=FAIL.
The BBC and CNN's early intelligence report is more evidence of inside intelligence failures on 9/11. Yes.
AlienScientist 1 year ago 3
@CrazyRay7979 This is just plain not true, unless you're calling NIST liars. Which would be appropriate. NIST admits 2.3 seconds of acceleration of gravity. Sorry, but the science you're RELYING on, NIST's report, is working against you here.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
Soooo there wasn't 1,800ºF fire, oxygen, and sulfur present, huh? How is this get chalked up to "LIED to you" without any explanation?
While you're threatening to go after the NIST with a team of Truther lawyers, why don't you also protest the imprisonment of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Mustafa al-Hawsawi, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Walid bin Attash??? If it was an inside job then those guys are innocent, right?????????
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979, I'll expose your entire technique for everyone right now. 1. Distort science. 2. Make fallacious argument. 3. Run Away by mentioning something ridiculous and unrelated to draw attention away from the debate. The men you mentioned are terrorists and I would never advise releasing them. I am advocating that TERRORISTS (like the Bush Administration and Al Qaeda) be investigated, and that they stand open trial where the public can hear everything they have to say under oath.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
The highest temperatures that the picture of "thermal hot spots" shows is 1,377ºF...or the temperature of a bonfire, smoldering rubble, nothing more...
Thermite has never been used in a controlled demolition, any horizontal cutting device is theoretical and 9/11 predates it by several years
NFPA 921, again, same response as earlier
There were no "pools of molten iron", only a random metal or collection of random metals with a melting point of less than 1,377ºF (your NASA "hot spots" image)
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
And is that a surface gradient or a deep rubble temperature reading?
Nanothermite horizontal cutting devices most certainly predate 9/11. In fact that same Bush connected CIA front company that ran Security at the WTC and Dulles Airport also happened to be running security for Los Alamos during the time period when nanothermite was being developed and patented. No "pools of molten iron"? So the FDNY and 9/11 first responders are all lying? Please SHILL...You distort science.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
The rant on the fire on the 12th floor is petty, there is no reason to spend over a minute on it since obviously there were fires on other floors at the time...
The next 3 minutes is only an assumption of what is combustible on those floors merely in opposition to what the report says in an attempt to cause controversy
NFPA 921: the NIST didn't do the professional fire investigaton, a professional fire investigator does...
TNT and RDX are the only explosives used in controlled demolitions
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
Thermite is listed in the CIA's explosives for sabotage manual, and the patents for nanothermite specifically state it's applications in Black Ops Demolition.
The NIST report is specifically titled as a Fire Safety Investigation. I guess you didn't even get past the cover...
So it's petty to talk about the facts and evidence for actual fires on the precise floors where the alleged failures occurred? LOL! This is fun, keep digging that hole deeper for yourself!
AlienScientist 1 year ago
First the video starts out with complaining that it took 7 years when it didn't...they only did it because you Truthers kept complaining that a building that was destroyed not as a result of the attacks was not included in a report about the attacks..."crazy", huh?
3 weeks...how long would you have liked a review period to be? It's not like there were many independent researches out already with the same findings now were there? That's right, there were...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
The Investigation itself took 3 years. The investigation was necessary because it's an anomalous event that cannot be explained. That's the only reason it was performed. It states directly in the report that it was a fire safety investigation. Yes it was done as a weak attempt at silencing the truth movement, but it clearly didn't work... More and more people wake up to the mountain of lies and contradictions in the Official Story every day. 3 weeks for a 10,000 page report?
AlienScientist 1 year ago
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CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
Interesting. Thanks for posting this.
UnionKid15 1 year ago
This video needs way, way more views.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
fuck this bullshit
031004 1 year ago
Building 7 is the perfect example of how Conspiracy theorists twist and leave out info to prove their lies. Its fucking Pathetic. Im liberal as all hell but these theories are a total reach and hold no water.
EARTH51087 1 year ago
@EARTH51087,
If you are so "sick of debating this", why don't you stop? You've reached the top, so it might be a good time. Please point out one thing from this video or the sources in the description that is a "Lie", a "total reach" or anything that "hold(s) no water". The 9/11 cOmmission Report didn't even mention WTC Building 7, if you want to talk about "leaving out info to prove your lies"...
Just like NIST left out chemical analysis of physical debris, and tests for thermite/thermate.
AlienScientist 1 year ago 7
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bman342 1 year ago
@bman342,
The "mistakes" I point out in the NIST report are extremely conclusive, in fact you may even go as far as to say that they explain exactly how the building was demolished. By simply removing all the girder sheer studs from the main girders and painting thermite onto exposed beams thereby heating the steel and not the concrete slabs directly attached to it.
Any building collapse (especially ones involving the largest insurance claim in history) should be investigated for arson. NFPA921
AlienScientist 1 year ago
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bman342 1 year ago
@bman342,
Don't point the finger at me for the absurdity of what is being alleged... Point that finger at NIST as this is what is in THEIR report...
Actually it does matter that it was the SEC, since they were involved in a large scale fraud operation which was exposed by whistle blower Richard A. Grove scamming companies using the Sarbanes-Oxley regulation and a backdoor in the software they were forcing people to use. How do you cover up such a massive fraud?
AlienScientist 1 year ago 2
@AlienScientist, What about the Structure Magazine report?? or the report by American Scientific? or Implosion World Demolitions? all of them well known are respected talk about the collapse. You think anyone with half a brain would listen to YOU "Alien Scientist" who probably does not have a degree in any field necessary to be critiquing NIST or anyone else.
JLaw012 1 year ago
@JLaw012,
What about Hearst Corporation propaganda? Respected by whom? The people with all the money they are stealing from the American people? I hate to tell you, but a lot of people respect my opinion more. Because I provide facts and evidence, and I am not being paid by some corporation who is connected with the corrupt cabal in the capitol.
Now.. Did you want to make an argument against the science presented in this video or just spread your paid propaganda?
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist, Oh nice strawman arguement. How about proving the hearst corporation is complicit in the conspiracy instead of just making some grand assumption? You think all of these mostly privately owned companies are owned by the hearst corporation? Whatever say that is true, who cares? are you actually suggesting that dozens of magazines with thousands of people working for them follow the order to help cover up the murder of thousands of Americans? Try using evidence not empty words.
JLaw012 1 year ago
@JLaw012,
Popular Mechanics was bought out just a few months before it ran it's article. None of your editorial hit pieces address any of the real facts or evidence. Try addressing the free fall collapse time of WTC 7, the melted steel, or some of the other serious evidence and issues raised by "conspiracy theorists" instead of pushing empty propaganda, and claiming it as independent and objective.
...and you want to talk about "Straw man" arguments? Try addressing my video.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist, who bought out PM and how can you prove they are "in on it" if you can't then don't bring it up. I can name a dozen other well known scetifiic organization that have researched this and find no truth in the conspiracy.
Address your video, sure....NIST are working experts in this area you are some random guy named alien scietist on youtube who does not have a degree in any area to be able to question NIST or anyone else, i believe NIST not you and for good reason.
JLaw012 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
Too bad the WTC didn't fall at free-fall speed...it didn't fall anywhere close to free-fall speed...next time you try to debate, maybe you should learn some facts first
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
NIST has even admitted that WTC 7 endured 2.4 seconds of total Free Fall during the middle stage of its collapse. The WTC clearly came down in an unresisting, accelerated rate, the velocimetrics of which are not explainable within the context of conservation of momentum and energy given what we know about Building Collapses.
Any physics student can check and verify these FACTS. Try taking your own advice.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
So?
You Truthers already killed your argument about free-fall, you used to (and some still) say that the entire WTC7 collapse was at free-fall speed...totally false, it didn't even fall close to free-fall speed...
...so NOW you guys come up with this 2.4/2.5 seconds of free-fall...from NIST of all sources, so I guess NIST is "completely false" unless you're quoting it...nice hypocrisy...
You know nothing of building collapses...
The 2 Physics classes I took in college = 4.0
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
Where did you get the quote "completely false" from? Or are you just making up straw man arguments since you don't have any real ones? This video very clearly points out exactly what is wrong with the NIST Report, I guess you didn't come here to address any of that though, you'd rather distort arguments twist around physics arguments and make empty claims like "You know nothing of building collapses"
Then why would I make entire videos about them giving details you can't address?
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
The quote is what you're obviously claiming...but you would rather whine about that than actually answering the reply...
Explain why you Truthers regard the entire NIST report as full of crap, yet you use a quote from it as a very weak arguing point?
See, when someone repeatedly shows complete ignorance of something, as you are with building collapses, it is an obvious fact that you know nothing about building collapses...
I can address every detail...you cannot refute them
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
You have yet to address a single detail or claim brought up in this video. Instead you keep repeating the same straw-man defense:
"Explain why you Truthers regard the entire NIST report as full of crap, yet you use a quote from it as a very weak arguing point?"
Once again... I DO NOT regard the ENTIRE NIST Report as Crap, in fact this video addresses EXACTLY what is crap about the NIST Report and Why. Are you here to address those issues, or push 9/11 Propaganda and Disinfo?
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
Why do you Truthers think that Popular Mechanics are the only ones that have completely debunked every one of your Truther theories? ...and it's so funny how you accuse them of being part of a crazy government cover-up...you are afraid of Popular Mechanics because you cannot refute them, so you demonize them
It's funny that you claim to be some kind of expert, yet you have no idea that WTC7 didn't fall at free-fall speed...it didn't fall anywhere near free-fall speed
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
First off, we have FACTS. Not theories. Secondly Popular Mechanics (and other NSA funded propaganda) have not addressed any of the facts or real issues raised by the 9/11 Truth Movement and instead rely on distorted Straw Man versions of the claims which are covered in exhaustive detail in the book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory", SEARCH: "NIST Admits Free-Fall" and stop lying...
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
Wrong...there are no facts in any Truther conspiracy theory...
Nobody HAS to respond to you Truthers, do you think that every idiotic theory and it's several morphing branches of idiocy should be covered by groups and entities that have more important things to do?
Popular Mechanics is not a group/entity that exists solely for 9/11...you got completely debunked by a publication that focused on the issue once...Truthers spend all day, every day trying to prove PopMech wrong...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
Try reading "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" alongside Popular Mechanic's book. Unlike your Yellow-Journalism Propaganda piece, David Ray Griffin cites 63 pages of sources in his 392 page book, the first quarter of which is spent tediously going through the FAA, NORAD, NTSB, and other Military Data with a fine toothed comb.
Why don't you spend a day reading that book, and see who has FACTS... LOL You have no argument against this video and now you are stalling...
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
Too bad that's all already been debunked...back in 2007 when the book came out...maybe you should look into that...and before you read a book by a Theologist whose own religious publisher has released statements that the conspiracy theory "is spurious and based on questionable research"
See, when you're ignorant to the complete bullshit in a book/video/website, it doesn't work well as proof...because lies, hearsay, and conjecture are not proof...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
I did look into it... You're full of shit, and you probably never even read the book. Nice Ad Hominem Rebuttal though, I half expected you to respond with something along these lines as you have no facts or evidence to argue in on about the topic of 9/11 itself, so instead you resort to personal attacks on the authors religion, completely ignoring the plethora of facts and evidence presented in his book and how they utterly destroy your Popular Mechanics Propaganda. LOL... Shills.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
You have no facts, they are theories, at best...and for you to say "Oh, just read so-and-so's book for all the info" is NOT an answer or an adequate response to my comment...
You have failed to provide any proof that WTC7 fell in your supposed 7 seconds and/or free-fall speed or near free-fall speed
You think that the NIST was obligated to comment on WTC7 even though it was merely collateral damage, it took 7 years because you Truthers kept whining, so they finally did it
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979, Sorry but the free fall issue has been tested and proven:
watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I
NIST was hired to cover up the truth for a bunch of rich bankers and intelligence agents that made Trillions off 9/11.
They wouldn't even test for explosives because they were too afraid of what they might find. So they made up lies and excuses for why they didn't have to. Sorry, but no amount of excuse and lies will ever be able to cover up what really happened on 9/11. The TRUTH will come out.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979
...and I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how you are able to quote part of a report that Truthers say is full of crap, and stand behind it...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979,
I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of a "lie, hearsay, or conjecture" presented in this video, never mind in David Ray Griffin's book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". If your next post on my video does not contain a factual argument or rebuttal against something in this video, it will be deleted and you will be blocked. I will not tolerate foolish propagandists who won't address facts or evidence and rely on a continuous string of Ad Hominems and lies.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
We're not talking about this video..we're talking about how you can directly quote the NIST paper WHILE saying that it's complete bullshit...why are you trying to change the subject?
P.S. Threats to block someone from your page are an indication of a loss in an argument
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Why is it that anyone that challenges the facts of the 911 comission report or nist is labelled as a truther???
people that are not affraid to ask questions.
Nist have not answered all the questions they claim no molten metal or steel was found at ground zero despite numerous fire fighters and rescue workers reporting that there clearly was.
And there wtc7 building model looked nothing like the collapse we all saw and they don't release there data for these models !?!?
DAZZYVANDAM 1 year ago
@bman342 said "And why in the world would NIST even begin thinking about testing debris for thermite?"
Because it's required by law. Because it's NFPA 921 protocol.
-"The whole thermite business is borderline ridiculous."
If it's so ridiculous why did NIST feel the need to address thermite and explosives in their report at all? Have you read that section of their report? You want to talk about ridiculous? Go read the excuses they make up...
Nanothermite was CREATED for Black Ops demo jobs...
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist So since building 7 burned for 7 hrs are we supposed to believe that there were explosives or thermitematenano, being used in a demolition setup , that would have to be complicated to say the least , cuz its covert ya know. Really ?bombs in a burning building just waiting to be set of whenever you feel like it? Or in 1 and 2 =bombs just chillin next to a burning 767 that hit the building at 400mph just waiting for someone to push a button?
ryn88220 11 months ago
@EARTH51087 "Liberal as hell" is NOTHING to be proud of. You're part of the reason for the demoralization of America...
Thirdgen83 1 year ago
All theories have been debunked. If you still believe the inside job idea then you are just stubborn. And if your American then you are a prime example of what is wrong with Americans. It makes America look like idiots who have seen too many movies. I'm very liberal. I HATE the bush adm.. After examining every inch of evidence, its obvious that the idea of a conspiracy in foolish to say the least, and these theorists are reaching as far as they can for proof. They are hateful"TRAITORS".
EARTH51087 1 year ago
@EARTH51087,
Not true. NIST did not test for chemical evidence of explosives. Therefor you have no counter-evidence and can not debunk the explosive thermite demolition hypothesis, until you examine physical evidence and perform thorough peer review chemical examination.
I highly doubt you've seen the miles of evidence if you only examined an inch... There's nothing from this video to debunk, it's all right in the NIST Report. You can try to debunk some of my other 9/11 video if you want.
AlienScientist 1 year ago
@AlienScientist
Whats your explanation for the video of WTC7 falling apart before the collapse? Or the fire dept. description of the damage don't to the building. Im sick of debating this. And if you think that the fact that they didnt test for thermite is proof or evidence of any kind just makes you seem unintelligent. People see and believe what they want to.
EARTH51087 1 year ago
@EARTH51087,
Why does the NIST Model look nothing like the actual collapse?
Why did WTC 7's destruction have the classic "crimp and implode" of a controlled demolition? Why did WTC 7's collapse fit all the characteristics of a controlled demolition and none of a fire induced collapse? What melted holes through the steel from Building 7 like swiss cheese leaving a sulfide eutectic mixture behind and razor sharp edges. (Fema Report Appendix C)
I see and believe science and experiment.
AlienScientist 1 year ago 3
excellent....excellent presentation!
Sid6p01nt7 2 years ago 3
ok but what started the fire in there some random towel head walkin around in the building. Cmon really u guys r so stupid to think arabs did this amazing to me how naieve people can b sometimes
jflint425 2 years ago
seriously anyone who still has doubts in their mind who did this. WAKE UP!!!
How the fuk can some people still think terriost did it. They brainwashed by fox. So much evidence now yet who the fuk can put these war criminals in their place?
EasyEbookMan 2 years ago
good video ,and good posts,,david chandlers posts are excellent as well,according to the original version a fire caused about 50 steel frame columns ,600 feet high all connected by a steel structure of 47 floors to all fail simultaneously and fall at close to free fall speed. what force made 600 feet of steel collapse to close to nothing in less than ten seconds??no one knows! props to the maker of this videoto david chandler, david ray griffin at all ( read pg.224 -244 of griffins wtc7 book)
Vman4465 2 years ago
What's that I smell? Is that...thermite? It is! Gasp!
The government lied again? Gasp!
ArgusPlexus 2 years ago
Good work.
I mean really your scruples are awesome!
keep hittin em with facts, until they fall over
IndivisiblePrinciple 2 years ago
OMG you should be a lawyer!
RiVvenGuard 2 years ago 5
Evidence people...all these questions COULD be asnwered but in the 411 days it took for the investigation to begin...ALL the debris from wtc buildings was hauled away and destroyed...all the pentagon debris and the 85 video tapes of the pentagon thathave no reason to be withheld and could cast all doubts away as to what hit the pentagon..blatant omissions of KEY testimony like Norman Mineta's of Cheney's actions on 911...and bush and cheney REFUSING to be underoath(how is that legal)so Obvious
Metamorphosis33 2 years ago
You are awesome AlienScientist. You put me to shame. Sadly, I do not have the education to help you with your research. I am however very curious about the things you discuss, especially anti gravity technology. I'm sorry that you're mostly alone in your pursuit for truth*technological truth*. I know you're fighting for truth... No one will ever praise you. Flattery is not praise, you have to understand to acknowledge and give credit. I'm sorry for you, but you have my highest regards.
superearthbender 2 years ago
You can refer these idiot debunkers to the Erik Shultz EPA Dust Study.
They like to nit-pick and focus on tiny details rather than see the forest through the trees, so to speak...
You can also refer them to Appendix C of the FEMA Report, and ask why NIST didn't perform any chemical spectrographic analyses on any physical samples from the WTC...
NanoThermite911 2 years ago
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energy3300 2 years ago
And another thing, the info about building 7, I seen an image of the building while the little fires were burning, and a quarter of the building was already missing. If you take away a quarter of a building, its gonna fall. Im a subscriber of yours and a huge fan of your thoughts and theories, but I have to disagree with this one. I was with you until I seen the photo of the building already in shambles. This showed my how they knew it was coming down.
MikePattison 2 years ago
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energy3300 2 years ago
Windsor tower burned hotter for 20 hours straight and didn't come down. When buildings fall from this kind of damage, they don't fall symmetrically. It's impossible. Sorry but you are wrong. A quarter of the building was not missing, nor would this of caused a symmetrical free fall. Watch his other 911 video, has some good info in it.
GUILDGOB 2 years ago
if 25% of the building was scooped out(still waiting to see photos of this) how could it collapse straight down at near free-fall speed?Doesnt logic tell you that it would topple and would cause sever damage to the buildings next to wtc7?Pools of MOLTEN metal?Think of HOW important examing the steel beams and the aftermath of 911 was to the investigation...its like a murder trial where the prosecution(bush and the gang)destroy all the evidence that would prove their case before trial begins!
Metamorphosis33 2 years ago
That was a typo on my behalf, I meant to say a corner instead of a quarter. A large piece of a corner was missing. I have no idea why I was writing quarter.
MikePattison 2 years ago
lol nope...no typo you said it twice and qualified it with"if you take away a quarter of the building...it will fall"wouldnt make any since if you said"a corner was missing..and if you take away a corner of a building it will fall" makes absolutuely no sense because a corner WOULD NOT CAUSE A FREE FALL COLLAPSE!!!!
Metamorphosis33 2 years ago
You forgot to show the visible blasts in the windows that look just like blasts in a demolition.
I saw it in some documentary about 9/11.
mraccident 2 years ago
The window blasts were from the debris falling causing air pressure increases in lower floors. There was one fireman who survived being inside the twin towers, the only reason he lived is because the air pressure from the building falling threw him across the room into the corner where he was pinned against the wall by air pressure. You have to consider the weight of the building as it is coming down, forcing air out of anywhere below it, the windows on lower floors are the weak spots.
MikePattison 2 years ago
I agree fully with you......however these forces were never figured into ANY 911 Official report on the collapse. They would be a minor, but resistance nonetheless.
Amazing that you and I thought of this but NIST didnt.....
tivathehusky 2 years ago 2
The jet steams of air were clocked at around 125 MPH and very focused. If the pressure came from the elevators the entire level of windows would be blown out open floor plan. These focused jets, (squibs) are typical when explosives are being used. There was evidence of an explosive called NANO thermite, both unexploded and residuals from thermite. Also melted pools of steel still molten three weeks later. What could cause 3000 Degrees+ Military NANO Thermite not office fire/jet fuel/other
ralphla54 2 years ago
Are you seriously trying to convince people of that? If thermite was used, it would have burned very quickly and unpredictably. The steel could not have been molten 3 weeks later unless a heat source was present. The only thing that would have burned that long is phosphorous. Which only burns at 1,000 degrees, not hot enough to melt steel that has a melting point of 2,500 degrees. I work with metal and everything I know about it tells me you are full of it and believe anything someone tells you.
MikePattison 2 years ago
If you are willing to believe that burning office furniture and paper could take down the entire building, why can't you believe an accelerant such as thermite could have been used???
Your logic makes no sense...
You would on one hand believe that Kerosine (one of the fastest burning accelerants) could weaken the structure enough to bring it down, but then use the same excuse to rule out thermite, (which burns MUCH hotter)
You need to put aside your stigmas and look at the facts.
AlienScientist 2 years ago
If that was aimed at me I assure you that I have my own theories about what happened that day. Not one of them includes a handful of middle eastern men with box cutters hijacking planes. But at the same time if you have a plane weighing 250,000+ lbs flying at over 400 mph, I think you could agree that there would be substantial building damage including supports for the entire building. I do think there was a massive cover up, but I don't think they had to do anything to bring the building down.
MikePattison 2 years ago
You know this video and the response you're replying to has nothing to do with planes flying into buildings right? Another person that calls people morons yet doesn't even know the what building 7 is (it seems like it at least), it's amazing how many I've encountered recently.
trtnec 2 years ago
Point 1: but not enough to bring it down in a downward fashion
Point 2: planes structural density are rather low so most of the energy would be adsorbed back it's like punching a brick wall you'll the force of the punch is sent right back into your hand causing damage to self not wall.
Point 3: over the course of time except in the case of excellerent fire temperatures can't reach the level needed to liquidfy steel cross members that are fire rated by both nfpa and city code standards
dukeraider2 2 years ago
don't worry, i'm not trying to be antagonistic--you seem like you're intelligent enough to be confronted with challenges to your opinions without insulting/censoring/blocking people.
controlledentropy 2 years ago
to all 'truthers':
i'll buy that WTC7 was "pulled" in the domolition sense as the owner saw an opportunity to make a lot of financial records dissappear and cash in on insurance.
but as far as the rest of the incidents of 9-11 go, ask yourselves this question: If it was an inside job, why were none of the perpetrators iraqis? The neocons did everything they could to FABRICATE a link between Saddam and al-quaida after the fact. Wouldn't they have set him up as the scapegoat to begin with?
controlledentropy 2 years ago
They needed to go to Afghanistan first to stop the Taliban from eradicating the opium crop. That was their first priority. They just recently announced that the opium production in Afghanistan is so out of control that they are giving up trying to fight it. This is a problem that had taken care of itself before the US invasion of that country. Since 2001 opium production in Afghanistan has gone up over 3000% !!!
The only link between Saddam and Bin Laden is the BCCI.
AlienScientist 2 years ago
that doesn't really answer the question.
afghanistan was more about a central asian oil pipeline than opium. and none of the 911 attackers were afghans or talibanis.
also, very soon after 911, cheney instructed tenet to "find a link" to iraq--the invasion of which was the major component of the neocon agenda.
911 was suspiciously convenient for the neocons, but if they were clever enough to execute such a well-crafted conspiracy why were they so bad at everything else they tried to do?
controlledentropy 2 years ago
They were trying to put together a deal with the Taliban in Afghanistan to run an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan to the coast but I think they thought it easier to just get rid of the Taliban. Opium is just another one of the many reasons.
synapse131 2 years ago
You admit WTC7 was a controlled demolition. Then you have to ask yourself how they planned and accomplished such a feat that normally takes weeks? They have to get the blueprints, the explosives, set everything, and so on and on. How did they do this with all this commotion going on? If they got explosives in #7, then why is it so hard to believe they did the same to the other buildings?
JessicaBlume 2 years ago
i can only guess. maybe the explosives were there for a long time, waiting for an opportunity. after all, the wtc was bombed in 1993, and there were intelligence reports circulating that the same terrorist groups were plotting to attack the wtc again. like i said, it's only a guess.
i am not ABSOLUTELY convinced that bldg 7 was a controlled demolition, but given the visual evidence and the owner's statements, i will concede that it is not implausible.
controlledentropy 2 years ago
Nanothermites were first created after the WTC collision. However, you probably would argue that the government used their alien technology to go back in time to get the substance, right?
Jay5006 2 years ago
If you had watched my videos and paid attention you would know that I am completely against the notion of time travel.
You will however notice that the public has a tendency to find out about things the Government and military have known about for a much longer period of time...
AlienScientist 2 years ago
yeah that is my dilema how wtc 1 & 2 fell straight down. the first one that fell showed the top leaning. i still question why it didn't just fall over and the rest of the tower be o.k. because fire and damage wouldn't have evenly dispersed in both towers.
frustrated256 2 years ago
Fantastic video my man. One of the best i have seen.
djguy100 2 years ago
If heat rises, then thirty floors below the plane impact, should NOT be affected. How can steell 30 floors below the impact, turn red hot? How can the entire buildings collapse to dust?
Bugstomper2 2 years ago
It cant because the buildings were planted with explosives
feedbacksol 2 years ago
every one who thinks the 911 attacks was done as a false flag operation ---make a video put it on the net ---stating we know it was and ****WE THE PEOPLE**** will not fall for it again---one voice is not heard but many are
rg3855 2 years ago
Dont know what to say?? Maybe when you get into unviversty and sciences open an avenue in your mind that will lead you to te qquestions you have..atomic thoery wold better helpa person understand what happened here..The atomic structure of matter,being rearranged by what?? Fire..What happens next ??it weakens or loses its tensile strength,anneals..Carbon added to give steel the ability to hold weight and bind the atoms together no longer is possible.deformation occurs and the steel breaks,,
blueshadow1996 2 years ago
So you think that the people that designed those buildings were ingnorants? So if a fire occured or a plane crashed in those buildings, they would go down like they did? Dont you think that everyone that worked on the plans and blue prints didnt know something like that would happen, that fire would be so intense that the steel would bent? seriously... you still need to study it seems..
Theuf28 2 years ago
.They knew WTC7 was coming down..Because of fire..They had people moved from the site and did not lose any lives when it collapsed..Check out a vid on utube.Its called Shermans neckties,it shows how easy steel can be bent after it turns redhot.
blueshadow1996 2 years ago
there is no building in history that have collapsed because of fire, do your research, and most of all, WTC7 was a bunker for many highly important Co. that building have more then twice the safety standards of any structure in NYC, and had a 23 floor with self ventilation and fire proof walls and everything possible to resist an attack or fire.. seriously do your research..
Theuf28 2 years ago
I did..I knew the towers were coming down on 9/11/01 ..I was the one who warned them to get out of there and I explained why it was going to collapse..I was right..South tower then the north then 7..Others were damaged..Hindsite is 20/20 and many of you people still are blind as a bat..Try working with steel..
blueshadow1996 2 years ago
brainwashed...wake up dude, no buildings in history have collapsed due to internal fire, WTC7 didnt have any structural damage, everyone could see that... anyhow, this conversation is useless..
Theuf28 2 years ago
Brainwashed??? How does that have anythiing to do with being right..Any gunsmith ,blacksmith ,or welder can tell you why it takes little heat to weaken steel..The building shared the same foundation as WTC complex.which had a large atrium.the front corner was smashed out and the weight had to be redistribute it self to compensate..Throw in the fire unchecked and it weakens steel....The building was coming down...Nothing mysterious about it....Get a job working with steel..Let your mind open ....
blueshadow1996 2 years ago
In theory, what your saying is really plosible, but why do Nist denied that molten pool of steal was on the site weeks after the event, all workers saw those. Why is that they had to export that steel to china?. The colapse itself is really unusual, why do we use explosifs? to minimize the surrounding damage, so if those 3 buildings failed due to fire, hell, why do we hire Demolition expert to take down buildings, if fire work really well do it, and by itself.. Come on..lmao
Theuf28 2 years ago 3
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!
i'm starting a demolition company with a lighter and
ElementCabinet 2 years ago
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to start a demolition company with a lighter and some camping stove oil. who's in?
ElementCabinet 2 years ago 4
madrid towers
BOGZASV8MA 2 years ago
I did see that vid and what I think happened was the one that went down in shanksville was supposed to hit wtc7 .. So what they did was send out a guy saying "it's coming down" they started clearing the perimeter.. Damage control being the jet missed and they had to take out the solomon building so they could steal billions from investors "i was one of them" SOLON SMITH BARNEY?? who here lost money with them?? I'm broke thanks to them.
feedbacksol 2 years ago
the jet missed.?.It would have had to fly around buildings to hit WTC7. I thought it was A fire Chief who did not want to lose any more men,,So he ordered his men out .Told them top pull back ..
blueshadow1996 2 years ago
Well the first thing wrong with this "investigation" of 9/11 is the way the good ol' government used itself to investigate itself. just like the Warren Commission for the Kennedy assassination. What a scam and load of shit they foist onto the people. Since when do we use criminals to investigate criminals? Oh and lets not forget about the judges. The "system" is a system of, for, and by criminals. "CRIMINAL" justice system is exactly what the name implies. Karma is a bitch!
Aquariansevenone 2 years ago
yeah, like your gonna get the truth when smeone investigates itself. kinda like when your teaches askes you to check your own paper. whatever grade you say he/she will believe
AnEliteSpartan 2 years ago
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bsharker 2 years ago
hiding something from everybody because they caused the deaths of many innocent Iraqi children, as well as the blowback from their secret sanctions on poorer countries causing the death of 2000 American citizens. In the end, they have much to hide.
Okiwano 2 years ago
IT didn't post my other two comments, well, basically he said that the U.S.A will not know peace until the situation in Palestine in settled, and that we insulted Islam by making infidels [U.S. soldiers] guard Saudi Arabia which of course has some of the religions holiest sites.
This is just what I heard from a very reliable source. However it should be noted that this does not mean our government isn't trying to cover something up, it blatantly is, because either way you look at it, they were
Okiwano 2 years ago
It should be noted that Osama Bin Laden did admit to having part in the attacks in an interview with Al Jazeera on October 7, 2001. In the interview he stated three reasons for doing this, none of which are usually mentioned by the media. 1:"The U.S. -imposed sanctions against IRaq from 1991 to 9/11: One million Iraqi children have thus far died although they did not do anything wrong" It should be noted that we sanctioned their ability to repair water treatment plants as well as
Okiwano 2 years ago
Check the complete 9/11 timeline at Historycommons. org or check all the mainstream articles on 911articlesOnline. com and search for all the various statements made about 9/11 by Osama Bin Laden...
They are all quite conflicting....
Either way you should know a couple other things about Bin Laden, such as the bank he used (BCCI) and also his connections with the ISI...
AlienScientist 2 years ago
You also need to compare the "Osama" that has admitted to the attacks with photos of Osama bin Laden from the same time.
EclipseParadox 2 years ago
WTC 7 NIST Model Reality check
watch?v=WnXeUIaYj3k
WTC 7 Drop the Facade
watch?v=ZYV9iNdr16I
NIST Confirm WTC 7 Freefall:
view_play_list?p=16D800790A246 B99&playnext=1
femr2 3 years ago 3
alienscientist do you think that aliens with there high energy technology could have structually weakened the steel that made up the building enough for it to collapse because theres a video that shows a glimpse of a ufo beside the two towers
jabjal 3 years ago
I'm impressed that you read the entire document.
slimsephy 3 years ago 5
I had to know...
I had to make sure I wasn't crazy!
AlienScientist 3 years ago
I also believe is a inside job because of the overwhelming FACTS about controlled demolition. You even forgot to mention, even being shown in the video, the diagonal cut on the steel frame only possible with demolition charges. No fire in history in ANY country has brought down a steel building before 9/11.
Argoon1981 3 years ago
Knowbody ever mentions the fact that the steel was suppose to be coated with apestos, TO PREVENT FIRE! did they inclue that in thier report
Simwillb 3 years ago
It was not Al-Qaeda. The hijackers were not afghani; they were all Saudi Arabian. Osama Bin Laden never admitted to it. They just blamed it on Osama to divert attention from Saudi Arabia (which is a crucial partner to US interests), and then go into Iraq.
cubanG69 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I think it was Al-Qaeda who is responsible. I don't see any logical reason for US to blow up their own buildings. Al-Qaeda chas already claimed responsibility for it anyway. There are videos of people claiming that there were infact NO AIRPLANES at all. THe video footage we all saw on the news was made in Hollywood. Does that sound realistic?
Martano666 3 years ago