@knots46 "It was here that composers such as Boulez and Cage among many other key figures in modern music met in the 50s and 60s."
Boulez and Cage didn't meet in Darmstadt, as he explains in the video - Cage didn't go to Darmstadt before the late 50's. If you're interested in this kind of stuff, I would highly recommend reading the Boulez-Cage correspondence edited by Jean-Jacques Nattiez
@NitramZiarreh - this last comment is out of context: it is a general statement - that composers such as C & B (seperately) in the 50s and 60s met at Darmstadt to discuss problems - not that C & B met there for the first time...as Boulez clearly staes.
But despite disliking Mr Boulez as a composer of "contemporary music", I'll giive him good credits that he is a very good conductor. See? I can be quite "fair".
@Bruno53ification Yep, now is different, so it would be stupid to keep writing the same old music. If you don't like it it's one thing - strictly a matter of taste - but saying "music should be this or that way" and that everything else "is not music" (as though you were in any position to judge what should be and what isn't) just shows your narrow-mindedness and inability to keep up with your own times. It's just like saying that quantum physics is nonsense just because you can't understand it!
But their works have stayed in the repertoire [we hear these guys of Haydn and Mozart quite often in the concert hallls and opera houses]. But try to find a "Nono" or a "Cage" in today's concerts? Maybe in some special concerts. But most classical music played today concerts around the world seemed to have stoped in the 1940s to 1950s. A sin calling this guy's music, Cage, "crap"? Do you think a piece called "4;35", where the performer don't do a thing makes "sense"?? Sorry.
@Bruno53ification Sorry Bruno, but that betrays both ignorance and arrogance on your part. 'Modern music' or 'new [classical] music' forms a substantial part of the performed repertoire in most major cities around the world (take London, for instance), living composers are alive and well, and part of a global community; and the new generation of composers and performers around the world are trained with it forming what is merely the most recent addition to our canon of Western classical music.
@whatwillyousay Maybe in some "concerts" in London. But not in 99% of the capitals of the world. Whatever, Mr Cage "music" is crap. Like 99% of this "modern music". Go to Arkiv Music and see for yourself that for one piece recorded of a "Stockhausen", there are twenty or more of a Mozart or Tchaikovsky symphony. Only a few "sophisticated" ridiculous listeners listen to this crap of "Boulez [and a good conductor though], Stockausen, Cage and their pals"!
@Bruno53ification "Maybe in some "concerts" in London." - A lot of concerts in London. "But not in 99% of the capitals of the world." - Not true. "Whatever, Mr Cage "music" is crap. Like 99% of this "modern music"." - Fair enough. "Go to Arkiv Music and see for yourself that for one piece recorded of a "Stockhausen", there are twenty or more of a Mozart or Tchaikovsky symphony. " - And that proves what? "Only a few "sophisticated" ridiculous listeners listen to this crap" - Also not true.
@whatwillyousay you are young. Let say twenties or early thirties. Me? I am nearly 60. I grew up listening the great classical music of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven right up to Stravinsky, Schoenberg and Bartok. So "I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING". But anyway, it won't convince you. How long? Since the days of the lps in the late 1960s. Also met Pablo Casals, the cellist now dead, and Rostropovich. Once Rostropovich made a joke: even his cat "composes" avant garde music when walking on the piano keys!
@Bruno53ification Are you a performer or composer? Or do you just nick their anecdotes? I love and listen to all of the music you've listed above as well, I just prefer to add to the music I love rather than actively seek out that which I don't for the sake of trolling on YouTube.
Nearly 60 and a lot of growing up to do; you'd better get cracking.
@whatwillyousayHA HA! I also think the guys who listen to this "avant garde" should also "grow up". Love the irony. Do all baseball fans are also "baseball players"?
@Bruno53ification thats what people said about bach back in the 1700s, but now the sound he created is the basis of western music. If musicians dont experiment with sounds, no one will break any boundries. I'm sorry you don't understand the reasoning for cage's compositions but please don't call it crap.
@knots46 "It was here that composers such as Boulez and Cage among many other key figures in modern music met in the 50s and 60s."
Boulez and Cage didn't meet in Darmstadt, as he explains in the video - Cage didn't go to Darmstadt before the late 50's. If you're interested in this kind of stuff, I would highly recommend reading the Boulez-Cage correspondence edited by Jean-Jacques Nattiez
NitramZiarreh 2 months ago
@NitramZiarreh - this last comment is out of context: it is a general statement - that composers such as C & B (seperately) in the 50s and 60s met at Darmstadt to discuss problems - not that C & B met there for the first time...as Boulez clearly staes.
DR592 1 month ago in playlist Boulez
Take it or leave it. Anyway, not many people waste time listening to electronic noises as "music".
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
But despite disliking Mr Boulez as a composer of "contemporary music", I'll giive him good credits that he is a very good conductor. See? I can be quite "fair".
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification its funny that that's what people thought of Mahler when Mahler was alive.
DaCapo2010 3 months ago
@DaCapo2010 or Beethoven. But now is different.
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification that's absolute nonsense.
DaCapo2010 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification Yep, now is different, so it would be stupid to keep writing the same old music. If you don't like it it's one thing - strictly a matter of taste - but saying "music should be this or that way" and that everything else "is not music" (as though you were in any position to judge what should be and what isn't) just shows your narrow-mindedness and inability to keep up with your own times. It's just like saying that quantum physics is nonsense just because you can't understand it!
NitramZiarreh 2 months ago
One bad piece by Beethoven beats up all "avant gard" music written! HA HA!
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
But their works have stayed in the repertoire [we hear these guys of Haydn and Mozart quite often in the concert hallls and opera houses]. But try to find a "Nono" or a "Cage" in today's concerts? Maybe in some special concerts. But most classical music played today concerts around the world seemed to have stoped in the 1940s to 1950s. A sin calling this guy's music, Cage, "crap"? Do you think a piece called "4;35", where the performer don't do a thing makes "sense"?? Sorry.
Bruno53ification 4 months ago
@Bruno53ification Sorry Bruno, but that betrays both ignorance and arrogance on your part. 'Modern music' or 'new [classical] music' forms a substantial part of the performed repertoire in most major cities around the world (take London, for instance), living composers are alive and well, and part of a global community; and the new generation of composers and performers around the world are trained with it forming what is merely the most recent addition to our canon of Western classical music.
whatwillyousay 3 months ago
@whatwillyousay Maybe in some "concerts" in London. But not in 99% of the capitals of the world. Whatever, Mr Cage "music" is crap. Like 99% of this "modern music". Go to Arkiv Music and see for yourself that for one piece recorded of a "Stockhausen", there are twenty or more of a Mozart or Tchaikovsky symphony. Only a few "sophisticated" ridiculous listeners listen to this crap of "Boulez [and a good conductor though], Stockausen, Cage and their pals"!
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification "Maybe in some "concerts" in London." - A lot of concerts in London. "But not in 99% of the capitals of the world." - Not true. "Whatever, Mr Cage "music" is crap. Like 99% of this "modern music"." - Fair enough. "Go to Arkiv Music and see for yourself that for one piece recorded of a "Stockhausen", there are twenty or more of a Mozart or Tchaikovsky symphony. " - And that proves what? "Only a few "sophisticated" ridiculous listeners listen to this crap" - Also not true.
whatwillyousay 3 months ago
@whatwillyousay you are young. Let say twenties or early thirties. Me? I am nearly 60. I grew up listening the great classical music of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven right up to Stravinsky, Schoenberg and Bartok. So "I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING". But anyway, it won't convince you. How long? Since the days of the lps in the late 1960s. Also met Pablo Casals, the cellist now dead, and Rostropovich. Once Rostropovich made a joke: even his cat "composes" avant garde music when walking on the piano keys!
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification Are you a performer or composer? Or do you just nick their anecdotes? I love and listen to all of the music you've listed above as well, I just prefer to add to the music I love rather than actively seek out that which I don't for the sake of trolling on YouTube.
Nearly 60 and a lot of growing up to do; you'd better get cracking.
whatwillyousay 3 months ago
@whatwillyousayHA HA! I also think the guys who listen to this "avant garde" should also "grow up". Love the irony. Do all baseball fans are also "baseball players"?
Bruno53ification 3 months ago
@Bruno53ification And the Cage piece you're referring to is called 4'33".
whatwillyousay 3 months ago
This "modern music" is all crap! Noise, noise and noise! Notice very, but very few of these "compositions" have entered into the regular repertoire.
Bruno53ification 4 months ago
@Bruno53ification thats what people said about bach back in the 1700s, but now the sound he created is the basis of western music. If musicians dont experiment with sounds, no one will break any boundries. I'm sorry you don't understand the reasoning for cage's compositions but please don't call it crap.
thephan1113 4 months ago
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DamiaanVDW 4 months ago
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Bagas 8 months ago