Ive always saw Batman as a dark hero who protects people. He will kick the shit out of you but he will not kill. So there is a limit to his madness. Unlike most super heros his out fit is mad to scare the living shit out of you. So even if you doing wrong and he dosent confront you that knight if you see him thats enough to make you think twice about doing crime at night. I love Batman.
You are right on the money with Batman and Bruce Wayne being extensions of a third entity. Both are different faces of the same person, but not the true individual. The third individual is something that needs more exploration.
I agree with you that people witched waay 2 hard about the Christian Bale voice. Now tho it does not bother me - reason being I realize that this is not reality this world is a heightened reality. Its a world where comics and super heroes (fictional or real with the obvious exception of Batman) do NOT exist so in OUR world we are 'hardened' to them and the concept so it may come off as very dramatic and 'fake to us'. I actually perfer Keatons voice to Conroys, Conroys to me waay too Bruce Waynie
so many items of interest where to start? But lets take not killing the Joker. I think the problem is not Batman not killing him 'knowing' that he will just escape and kill again thereby ignoring - as J.Todd said - "the graveYARDS he's filled". I think its flawed Joker writing. I'll explain. Theres no WAY he could continually escape THAT much without getting sent away to some sort of Fed Fortress OR he'd of gotten the needle by now. Their neverending battle is faker than EITHER character! IMO
I love Greg Rucka's take on Batman and the killing part. He said in an interview for the Batman:Gotham Knight movie, he said theat every night Batman goes out and tries to save a life every night, and every night he fails, cause he is only human, and he can't be everywhere at once.
Batman not killing is a pretty complex subject, so many factors contribute to it, his relationship with Gotham PD (depending on writer sure, but definitely his relationship with Gordon), his mentoring of other heroes (many of whom are young), Alfreds presence and influence in his life.
I also agree 100% on the real man being that person in the cave with the cowl pulled back sitting at the computer sipping tea and talking to Alfred, that was an excellent piece of insight dude, you nailed that.
Batman is a great character he's got a lot of similar spin offs, like the punisher, or even Dirty Harry. The way Harry Callahan works as a police officer is similar to how Batman fights crime. You play by the rules until the rules don't work anymore
i think another reason he doesnt kill is because he doesnt want to be cosumed by i or wiv veneance like punisher while punisher does what he does for punishment batman does i for juctice red hood turned out how batman could have
Holy shit, i never thought about Bruce being niether Batman or Bruce wayne, that seems awesome, and you sir just blew my mind. Not for the first time either.
if you haven't, read superman/batman #76. it's placed right after final crisis, and it's amazing. it explains, through superman and dick grayson, that batman wasn't a semi-crazed vigilante that "took his vengeance out on any criminal that he would find on the streets," but that he was grateful that he hadn't been killed along with his parents. he just wanted to give something back. not to say that it wasn't about vengeance in the beginning. it's a great issue.
It's only been about 71 years, since Detective # 27, in 1939. Anyway, as complex as Bruce Wayne is, he's not hard to understand. His unwillingness to kill is is easy to figure out. True enough, a lot of fans don't understand what makes the character as great as he is, but, ultimately, it's the "professionals" that don't understand. And, some of the most hyped writers and artists have turned in trash and it became classic.
i get what you're saying about batman and killing. i think his parents' death in his formative years did a number on him. so much so that he needed something to hold on to to cope: principles and the rule of law. murdering someone outside of court or bureaucracy is immoral but death by capital punishment is justice. but then it makes you wonder: why wayne has never used influence to get good people as elected officials? maybe he considered that to be lobbying corruption?
hey we got a certified jungian analyst here! lol jk, awesome review mate! i agree with the tdk voice. at first i defended it because i liked the real world practicality of hiding your voice so no one would know who you are. but batman doesn't have to be real so much as theatrically truthful. and that got me to thinking i loved the suit in batman begins because the neck was thick and he looked so primal. in tdk, they comprised his theatricality with practicality so his suit is too high tech.
My personal favorite Batman interpretation in terms of his personality is Batman TAS because it shows him as a hero who believes in the greater good and will often disobey the law, but not be judge, jury, or executioner. He still is a dark character. He believes in perserving life, and if catching the bad guy is that, he's gonna do it. If a person is in danger and the bad guy is getting away, he's gonna save the person. This is how I see batman and my favorite interpretation.
Several years ago, I came to the same conclusion about the private Bruce Wayne being the real person. His time with Alfred and those that know he is Batman and public Bruce Wayne is actually a very interesting direction that needs to be explored. Do you know if it has been? I mean in any real depth? Or, his relationship with Alfred. Has that really been explored? Bruce Wayne/Batman is obviously screwed up mentally, and no one seems to get into it. Batman 1989 touched on it, briefly.
in my opinion Frank Miller was the one that really turned Batman into a dark,violent, avenging hero. I mean Dennis O Neal made Batman a little darker, but the comics he worked on were still campy a little bit. Although I give him credit for giving Batman the no kill rule. But other than that I think the credit should go to Frank Miller.
If you read Dark Knight & Year One you'll know what i'm talking about. Although I do give credit to Bob Kane & Bill FInger & Denny O Neal.
@ravioli5111 actually bats was very dark in his first beginning's he even killed with a gun and this lead to complaint's and campy batman.Much like superman he was toned down.
On the "who is the real face" question, to me there are three different personas:
Batman
Private Bruce Wayne (who you described)
Public "Bruce Wayne"
The only real mask is the public Bruce, who puts on a show to fool Gotham. Both Batman and the real Bruce are the true sides that co-exist symbiotically but sometimes are at odds with each other. One is not any more or less the real personality, they're both Bruce Wayne and Batman.
@LightVSDarkness64 i not a expecter but it was part in comic book where the universe was destroy then reborn back. it was just a trick to destroy all theyr story and character and rewrite it all.
I think the thing about Batman and killing is that he actually has no super powers. He's a mortal man and as such a situation could arise where it's literally him or the criminal. I agree that he thinks killing is wrong and would prefer not to but I also think that unlike superpowered heroes, he might not always have the choice.
That is NOT to say that this should be used as an excuse to kill criminals all willy-nilly.
i think ur right when it comes down to that hes smart enough to know that if he lives more people will be saved but if he dies a lot of ppl will die one sacrifice for the lives of many but at the same time i dont think hes a compromiseing kind of person
...everyone was like that in the 50's. Because it was the 50's!
Anyway, one of the biggest problems, witch some people will latch on to, is that Batman is not written or owned by any one person with a vision of the character. He is owned by a big company who will, and have, mandated things. Regardless of whether or not they are in line with the character or even make any seance.
Wasn't Batman's parents killed by the young Jocker?
i think you should touch on how batman could be the best that the jla has to offer. i know you are a fan of green arrow but we both know that batman could beat any jla character in a story. because he is not a metahuman, he must be able to best metahumans no matter what side they are on. the best humanity has to offer. very driven.
Well, I know a lot of people who complain that no one writes good Bruce Wayne stories and his alter ego never has the depth of Batman himself. I was wondering if you thought "Bruce Wayne" was a deep enough character to justify his own story or series or further study. Sorry for no being specific before; it was late *yawn*.
Very good explaination. I feel that Batman when in contact with a criminal should make the reader feel and also the criminal as though that he will kill them. But I like the Batman that walks the Line.
I thought The Dark Knight did a great job combining the honorable hero doing-what-he-has-to with the control freak version of Batman. His cell phone project in the movie was reminiscent of OMAC in Infinite Crisis and his robot bat army in Kingdom Come.
I think itd be cool if you did an "Explaining Punisher" video. or comparing Batman and Punisher. Arguably Punisher wears what he wears to inspire fear, but they are worlds apart.
I like the combonation of the tragic hero and the psychopath. I did not mind the voice. I prefer the Kevin Conroy out of all the people who played Batman.
I don't find Joker that hard to get. Actually if I got to write the Joker I'd take the killing Joke version which clearly isn't insane just evil. And the Grant Morrison version which is completley insane and constantly reinvents himself. And kind of make it so he's both. Like how Batman has Zur-en-arh as a back up personality. Whenever Joker gets taken in or interagated he turns on his pyscotic personality so he allways gets off scott free. And then when he's out switches back.
you forgot the dark and tragic psychopath version like the one brian k vaughn, chuck dixon, doug moench and ed brubaker have written. that's basically the version i love the most and how i write him. i love it when he goes apeshit crazy but has a hard deep inside of him.
the thing about batman is you have to many writers and too many comic books to say oh thats based on the comics yea ok wich ones!
jamesbond42069 3 weeks ago
Ive always saw Batman as a dark hero who protects people. He will kick the shit out of you but he will not kill. So there is a limit to his madness. Unlike most super heros his out fit is mad to scare the living shit out of you. So even if you doing wrong and he dosent confront you that knight if you see him thats enough to make you think twice about doing crime at night. I love Batman.
b7r7u7c7e 3 weeks ago
You are right on the money with Batman and Bruce Wayne being extensions of a third entity. Both are different faces of the same person, but not the true individual. The third individual is something that needs more exploration.
michaeljamesmccabe 4 months ago
Whats the deal with Thomas Wayne engineering Batman? Could you give me the condensed story idea?
wetlazer 4 months ago
I agree with you that people witched waay 2 hard about the Christian Bale voice. Now tho it does not bother me - reason being I realize that this is not reality this world is a heightened reality. Its a world where comics and super heroes (fictional or real with the obvious exception of Batman) do NOT exist so in OUR world we are 'hardened' to them and the concept so it may come off as very dramatic and 'fake to us'. I actually perfer Keatons voice to Conroys, Conroys to me waay too Bruce Waynie
CubbieBear1980 6 months ago
batman is the best superhero of all time!
abombnyy13 7 months ago
so many items of interest where to start? But lets take not killing the Joker. I think the problem is not Batman not killing him 'knowing' that he will just escape and kill again thereby ignoring - as J.Todd said - "the graveYARDS he's filled". I think its flawed Joker writing. I'll explain. Theres no WAY he could continually escape THAT much without getting sent away to some sort of Fed Fortress OR he'd of gotten the needle by now. Their neverending battle is faker than EITHER character! IMO
CubbieBear1980 9 months ago
I love Greg Rucka's take on Batman and the killing part. He said in an interview for the Batman:Gotham Knight movie, he said theat every night Batman goes out and tries to save a life every night, and every night he fails, cause he is only human, and he can't be everywhere at once.
Venom829 10 months ago
@tselk5 Indeed, sir.
MrMatthewUnger 11 months ago
@tselk5 LOL Fuck you!
MrMatthewUnger 11 months ago
bob kaine sickens me
kakuman1995 11 months ago
Batman not killing is a pretty complex subject, so many factors contribute to it, his relationship with Gotham PD (depending on writer sure, but definitely his relationship with Gordon), his mentoring of other heroes (many of whom are young), Alfreds presence and influence in his life.
I also agree 100% on the real man being that person in the cave with the cowl pulled back sitting at the computer sipping tea and talking to Alfred, that was an excellent piece of insight dude, you nailed that.
preacherZer0 1 year ago
Morrison kills Batman. Loving it. Black Glove saga was epicc
3087208 1 year ago
Batman is a great character he's got a lot of similar spin offs, like the punisher, or even Dirty Harry. The way Harry Callahan works as a police officer is similar to how Batman fights crime. You play by the rules until the rules don't work anymore
MrFree2view 1 year ago 2
i think another reason he doesnt kill is because he doesnt want to be cosumed by i or wiv veneance like punisher while punisher does what he does for punishment batman does i for juctice red hood turned out how batman could have
mrdecepticonleader 1 year ago
Holy shit, i never thought about Bruce being niether Batman or Bruce wayne, that seems awesome, and you sir just blew my mind. Not for the first time either.
27studios 1 year ago
I think Batman isn't anti death to criminals, hes anti murder which is what a vigalante would be doing.
scytherincproduction 1 year ago 3
if you haven't, read superman/batman #76. it's placed right after final crisis, and it's amazing. it explains, through superman and dick grayson, that batman wasn't a semi-crazed vigilante that "took his vengeance out on any criminal that he would find on the streets," but that he was grateful that he hadn't been killed along with his parents. he just wanted to give something back. not to say that it wasn't about vengeance in the beginning. it's a great issue.
voxbox18 1 year ago 2
I know it's for the sake of the story, but I don't get why Joker dosen't get the death penalty
pigsfly41498 1 year ago
@pigsfly41498 Because he's insane and the law says you can't kill people who aren't in their right mind.
blowshimselfupdude 1 year ago 21
@blowshimselfupdude really even thought he kill thousand of ppl
cavad 1 year ago 6
@cavad Yeah. that's the law.
blowshimselfupdude 1 year ago 9
@blowshimselfupdude Yeah, it's scary too haha! Real damn scary if there was a real Joker.
NeonKnight101 1 month ago
@cavad that and the joker actually would love to be killed, why else would he constantly want batman to kill him
omegashinobi 1 year ago
@blowshimselfupdude Bullshit, its because DC comics dosent want to kill off a good character that sells.
katten838 4 months ago
@katten838 True. But this is explanation they use for it.
Ikarosus 4 months ago
@pigsfly41498 because he's a comic book character!
a VERY popular character! and sells comics, cartoons, movies, toys, t-shirts ....
myconius 1 year ago
@myconius thats what I just said
I'm just saying its not realistic
then again... a guy dressing like a bat? totally realistic
pigsfly41498 7 months ago
It's only been about 71 years, since Detective # 27, in 1939. Anyway, as complex as Bruce Wayne is, he's not hard to understand. His unwillingness to kill is is easy to figure out. True enough, a lot of fans don't understand what makes the character as great as he is, but, ultimately, it's the "professionals" that don't understand. And, some of the most hyped writers and artists have turned in trash and it became classic.
waynetech10 1 year ago 3
i get what you're saying about batman and killing. i think his parents' death in his formative years did a number on him. so much so that he needed something to hold on to to cope: principles and the rule of law. murdering someone outside of court or bureaucracy is immoral but death by capital punishment is justice. but then it makes you wonder: why wayne has never used influence to get good people as elected officials? maybe he considered that to be lobbying corruption?
wunderbeast 1 year ago 4
hey we got a certified jungian analyst here! lol jk, awesome review mate! i agree with the tdk voice. at first i defended it because i liked the real world practicality of hiding your voice so no one would know who you are. but batman doesn't have to be real so much as theatrically truthful. and that got me to thinking i loved the suit in batman begins because the neck was thick and he looked so primal. in tdk, they comprised his theatricality with practicality so his suit is too high tech.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
I don't think he's psychotic just really paranoid. Which works for him at a character, he wants to be prepared for anything.
integracer2003 1 year ago
i prefer the dark tragic hero side
DRisLegend200919 1 year ago
My personal favorite Batman interpretation in terms of his personality is Batman TAS because it shows him as a hero who believes in the greater good and will often disobey the law, but not be judge, jury, or executioner. He still is a dark character. He believes in perserving life, and if catching the bad guy is that, he's gonna do it. If a person is in danger and the bad guy is getting away, he's gonna save the person. This is how I see batman and my favorite interpretation.
batmankixass 1 year ago 2
Several years ago, I came to the same conclusion about the private Bruce Wayne being the real person. His time with Alfred and those that know he is Batman and public Bruce Wayne is actually a very interesting direction that needs to be explored. Do you know if it has been? I mean in any real depth? Or, his relationship with Alfred. Has that really been explored? Bruce Wayne/Batman is obviously screwed up mentally, and no one seems to get into it. Batman 1989 touched on it, briefly.
michaeljamesmccabe 1 year ago 2
i love your theme what song is it?
mrnono999 1 year ago
The batman in cacophony is just plain strange to me and the Joker in it was pathetic.
LoneBaldEagle 1 year ago
in my opinion Frank Miller was the one that really turned Batman into a dark,violent, avenging hero. I mean Dennis O Neal made Batman a little darker, but the comics he worked on were still campy a little bit. Although I give him credit for giving Batman the no kill rule. But other than that I think the credit should go to Frank Miller.
If you read Dark Knight & Year One you'll know what i'm talking about. Although I do give credit to Bob Kane & Bill FInger & Denny O Neal.
ravioli5111 2 years ago 2
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DRisLegend200919 2 years ago
I believe he did. But I don't know for sure
ravioli5111 2 years ago
@ravioli5111 actually bats was very dark in his first beginning's he even killed with a gun and this lead to complaint's and campy batman.Much like superman he was toned down.
mayhem9024 1 year ago 2
the batman for me is....keven conroy. lol, i am vengeance, i am the night!.....I AM BATMAN!!!
deadeyeslave 2 years ago
About the bat-voice: In the Batman and Son story line Alfred makes Bruce practice keeping the growl out of his voice
ZexyKay 2 years ago
Chris Claremont's run on X-men kicked waaaayyyyy more ass than Stan Lee's
amasingfatass 2 years ago
i like that you sometimes cant tell weather bruce puts on the mask of batman or does batman put on the mask of bruce wayne.
TheMrComic 2 years ago
i love the bat through the study during year one
buns134 2 years ago
On the "who is the real face" question, to me there are three different personas:
Batman
Private Bruce Wayne (who you described)
Public "Bruce Wayne"
The only real mask is the public Bruce, who puts on a show to fool Gotham. Both Batman and the real Bruce are the true sides that co-exist symbiotically but sometimes are at odds with each other. One is not any more or less the real personality, they're both Bruce Wayne and Batman.
redrabbitjohnson 2 years ago 6
great job explaining batman
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DRisLegend200919 2 years ago
What is that picture from?
TheatreMan777 2 years ago
Google.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago 7
you keep on mentioning "Post-crisis" but i can never figure out what that means, can someone help me?
LightVSDarkness64 2 years ago
@LightVSDarkness64 i not a expecter but it was part in comic book where the universe was destroy then reborn back. it was just a trick to destroy all theyr story and character and rewrite it all.
cavad 1 year ago
70 years its only been 70 years
LeighMet 2 years ago
I think the thing about Batman and killing is that he actually has no super powers. He's a mortal man and as such a situation could arise where it's literally him or the criminal. I agree that he thinks killing is wrong and would prefer not to but I also think that unlike superpowered heroes, he might not always have the choice.
That is NOT to say that this should be used as an excuse to kill criminals all willy-nilly.
Disthron 2 years ago 2
i think ur right when it comes down to that hes smart enough to know that if he lives more people will be saved but if he dies a lot of ppl will die one sacrifice for the lives of many but at the same time i dont think hes a compromiseing kind of person
JRRPrimus 2 years ago
...everyone was like that in the 50's. Because it was the 50's!
Anyway, one of the biggest problems, witch some people will latch on to, is that Batman is not written or owned by any one person with a vision of the character. He is owned by a big company who will, and have, mandated things. Regardless of whether or not they are in line with the character or even make any seance.
Wasn't Batman's parents killed by the young Jocker?
Disthron 2 years ago
go browncoats, fireflys awesome
IndianaDylan 2 years ago
what song was that
themindbowler 2 years ago
Cleansed by Fire by Alice Cooper
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
i think you should touch on how batman could be the best that the jla has to offer. i know you are a fan of green arrow but we both know that batman could beat any jla character in a story. because he is not a metahuman, he must be able to best metahumans no matter what side they are on. the best humanity has to offer. very driven.
zombinekiller 2 years ago
Thank you Kevin Conroy is the best batman voice over
robss5 2 years ago 24
Yes, Brave and the Bold is keeping the campy side of Batman alive, yet I have noticed that they have ceased to make new episodes.
ArkhamAsylum13 2 years ago
@ArkhamAsylum13 it's commin back it's called ecording new season.
mayhem9024 1 year ago
like Adem Wests Batman. he killed peopel but Batman cant kill peopel thats way i loved him (NOT GAY) i like The Dark Night Batman voies
devin7765 2 years ago
Nic picture of Batman.
comiclove5 2 years ago 4
Do you think Bruce Wayne is a good character?
jadekite22 2 years ago
Meaning? Bruce Wayne? Batman? or teh real person?
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
Well, I know a lot of people who complain that no one writes good Bruce Wayne stories and his alter ego never has the depth of Batman himself. I was wondering if you thought "Bruce Wayne" was a deep enough character to justify his own story or series or further study. Sorry for no being specific before; it was late *yawn*.
jadekite22 2 years ago
Oh. I supose. I'm not entirley sure. I guess it all goes to the writer.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
Very good explaination. I feel that Batman when in contact with a criminal should make the reader feel and also the criminal as though that he will kill them. But I like the Batman that walks the Line.
azuzaj1 2 years ago
Ok good video. 5stars for you.
pokki30 2 years ago
Great analysis.
I thought The Dark Knight did a great job combining the honorable hero doing-what-he-has-to with the control freak version of Batman. His cell phone project in the movie was reminiscent of OMAC in Infinite Crisis and his robot bat army in Kingdom Come.
Leehofooks 2 years ago
I think that you did a pretty good Job on explaining Batman....
LazerDude99 2 years ago
Thanks.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
I think itd be cool if you did an "Explaining Punisher" video. or comparing Batman and Punisher. Arguably Punisher wears what he wears to inspire fear, but they are worlds apart.
thedropoff 2 years ago
I might do that.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
I like the combonation of the tragic hero and the psychopath. I did not mind the voice. I prefer the Kevin Conroy out of all the people who played Batman.
ReviewForReel 2 years ago
beautiful interpertation, u really get him... i most like you talking about his third and true personality when hes in the batcave with alfred
juggernaut44 2 years ago
yeah if there is one character that is hard to explain its got to be batman and if there is one villian its the joker
thehellsyeah123 2 years ago
I don't find Joker that hard to get. Actually if I got to write the Joker I'd take the killing Joke version which clearly isn't insane just evil. And the Grant Morrison version which is completley insane and constantly reinvents himself. And kind of make it so he's both. Like how Batman has Zur-en-arh as a back up personality. Whenever Joker gets taken in or interagated he turns on his pyscotic personality so he allways gets off scott free. And then when he's out switches back.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
If I was reviewing, I probably would have just said "Greatest Hero Ever!" and ended it there. Nice review though.
King191912 2 years ago
That was my runner up for what to say.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
you forgot the dark and tragic psychopath version like the one brian k vaughn, chuck dixon, doug moench and ed brubaker have written. that's basically the version i love the most and how i write him. i love it when he goes apeshit crazy but has a hard deep inside of him.
batpawn 2 years ago
I meant "heart", not "hard", even though I'm pretty sure he got one too, sometimes...
... oh man, that's low.
batpawn 2 years ago
I did mention that. I said there's a pyscotic Batman and the dark hero Batman.
blowshimselfupdude 2 years ago
yep, i know that, but i mean the one that's inbetween.
batpawn 2 years ago
Sweet! Thanks for taking my request :)
redmario222 2 years ago
to me the DC:AU is my Batman
animerocker17 2 years ago
nice review
loverofthelivingdead 2 years ago