Verbal, i'm so glad that you tackled this problem cause i dont think anyone else is capable of making criticism against the movement without just being an idiot.
First i have to say i agree with the Occupy movement, but i think that protesting is the only reasonable way that they can bring thewir message into public view. if they were not occupying, there would be no media coverage. What other methodology would you recommend to this great movement?
@dromefrog8 it's not the occupying that I disagree with - to your point they're getting media coverage because they are physically there. It's the way they go about it. Have some common decency and treat the police with the respect they deserve. Also work with the local community boards, ours has reached out to them several times (cause we all understand and support what they are protesting) with no response. They won't work with us... it's a shame really
@verbal1781 I Agree with both of those, and it bothers me that this hasn't taken place. I'm typically against people protesting in situations where the protesters provoke police, i.e. Dancing at the Jefferson memorial. I simply find the infringement upon our rights too egregious to just let it pass by, and I have utmost respect for servicemen but i'm getting the feeling that it isn't always provoked by protesters anymore. As for disrupting private lives - effective albeit rude attention grabber.
With the whole 2% knowledgeable, 98% not, I don't have any proof to disagree with you, but I still feel that the fact that people are showing up annoyed shows a change in what was one a massively apathetic generation. Yes, the protest has been ruined due to Paul-ites and idiots but the core message of corruption and unfair wealth disparity are still there. And the police have done some utter dick moves. Pushing everyone onto the bridge to be arrested and kettling only causes anger and violence.
You know how heavily I support the actions of OWS, and while I see what you are saying I have to disagree somewhat. During the Education cuts here, my University became a huge protest centre. Our board had basically decided to cut all Language funding for the next few years. Getting to classes meant I had to leave 10 minutes earlier to ensure I was on time. I put up with it because I did support their case, I knew that my inconvenience was nothing compared to what could be lost.
@ismfofbiggestfan wow - congrats on not listening to a damn thing I said..... specifically said I DON'T support wall st - that I 00% disagree with the concept of privatized gains and socialized losses which is what happened on wall st in the past few years - you basically didn't listen to what I said did you? wait why the FUCK am I bothering to write all this out to you? seek life elsewhere troll
First and foremost, welcome back. I agree with you on this occupy Wall Street movement. I've seen the YouTube videos on what the protestors have said has happened to them and I say, "Oh its the cops over reacting again", but then I take a trip down there, I see these kids doing any and everything in their power to get some type of reaction from the police. Also, its fine that they want to protest, but doesn't mean they should try to pick fights with people that work in the area.
@verbal1781 Have you seen the 53 blog? It's a collection of photos from people who are employed and disagree with the way the protests are going. the53.tumblr.com/
I agree...people just don't know how to protest. It's just a hivemind attitude that's perpetuated everywhere. I agree that 98% of people have no idea what the real cause is and they're pretty useless but what they do realize is that something is majorly wrong. As for the people just there causing shit...gtfo. I can see how annoying it would be working on Wall Street with this going on though...i feel sorry for you
i think theyve got things mixed up...99%:1% means nothing and 100% will solve nothing...most of these people are sheep following the ideals of someone who convinced them without critically thinking things through for themselves...i think its good that something is happening to potentially get rid of some corruption, but i think being so mad has made them blind to reasoning and is counterproductive...i hope this leads to a solution but this 99% shit is bogus
A few bad apples spoil the bunch. This country is in termoil and her citizens are mad. Most people can not express why, and that is sad. All citizens are created equal is a hard concept to buy into when there is such a clear gap in gains.
I wonder why so many of the protesters are waving communist flags and such. That's also funny how even Obama said "Oh, I understand the protesters and I support them". Dude, you gave bailout to the banks, just like Bush! What next? Bank owners say they support the protesters? Nonsense. The message is ok, but I agree, most of the protesters have no idea what are the protests about.
HEY, i'm british and sorry but i have know idea what your on about. i did go to manhatten over the summer!! I kept a look out for you :P but too many asian tourists were in the way
I don't really know that much about occupy wallstreet, so i may have it all wrong, but from what I've seen it's people who's way of complaining about there not being enough money on the economy is to take a month off work to whine to the banks when they could be working and earning money for the economy. I get where they are coming from but I just don't understand why they chose to do it this way.
@SmallishSwede Its not about there not being enough, its about inequity in the way the money is spread out...ie 1% of the population holds the majority of wealth while the rest have very little...its not just about work/unemployment but its also about corporate greed. Banks really have fucked the US up.
You being bothered by a few troublemakers seems more like an excuse to dismiss a movement than it is an argument against their purpose. People are mad Verbal, there are people who have not been able to find meaningful employment for YEARS.
@WINZ0W Bud did you honestly even listen to the commentary before writing this? I very clearly state that I'm NOT dismissing them and that I 100% agree with the message - I hate the way they are doing it - but I agree with what they are saying - come on - this isn't your average YT channel - this is for grown up discussion. I know we both can be better than that. Discuss something with me that I'm wrong about - but not for something you missed that I don't disagree with....
@verbal1781 Let me clear up my position, you dismissing "98%" (@ 2:00 ) of the people protesting sounds like an excuse to dismiss the OWS protests. You are right to point out that there are trouble makers and instigators among the many thousands who are protesting, it is a public event that with out a doubt is going to attract negative attention.
Your inconvenienced by people who are getting out there because lives are being ruined.
@WINZ0W Yeah, but they're being hypocritical by making even more peoples lives annoying/hard/pick your word. He said that their message is good, but like so often, they're doing it in the wrong way. If they really wanted to be taken seriously and NOT be dismissed by the educated community, they would act with some civility.
@SumnerEye People aren't protesting because they are annoyed, just so you know the problem runs a little deeper than that. While I know your democracy may be anemic at the moment I assure you THIS IS what peaceful revolutions look like. Annoying yes, but they are far from violent. MLK said something that is relevant to this, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Embrace your peaceful revolution.
@WINZ0W Oh, I agree completely about that. I'm actually taking a course at Uni thats related to this, funnily enough :P As revolutions go, this has been peaceful historically speaking. I'm not totally convinced that this IS a revolution, more than a protest, though. My point was just that it's all well and good to be proactive and champion what you believe in, but you have to be rational and understand the opposing side at the same time. Not necessarily saying they're not, just that they should
I guess I support the message, but not the way they're doing it.
I like the fact that people want to get involved but I bet that you could ask 100 people what they're trying to accomplish and 75 would give a short answer without much thought. It would be like, "We want, uh.. change! The goverment and big companies are... uh.." (other person joins in) "Eff- the corporations!" -Crowd uproar-.
@ForeverTheNewbie well said - couldn't agree more....it's the 80 20 rule in effect yet again - 20% of people know why and what they'e there for and (I'd hope) are doing it in a peaceful and respectful manner - its the other 80% that are sheep - lets jump on the bandwagon...
@verbal1781 Not all people are well educated, articulate people who can clearly define what it is they are upset about. Some people are angry that they are out of work and don't have a way to let you know that will make you happy.
I don't know what the outcome will be but I can tell you one thing for sure, you are going to see more of that kind of behavior the longer this goes on. Think of it as negative reinforcement for those in charge.
@verbal1781 Verbal what do you think about that army sargent that went out and tried to get the message out to the police that the violence they were inflicting was wrong?
@Eyeonappalachia why don't you educate me - I think I pretty clearly stated that I agree with their complaints of:
1 taking the money out of politics
2 stop privatized gains and socialized losses
What 'big picture' are you talking of that I didn't just explain and explain that I actually agree with? And yes I admit I'm comfortable - in fact I'm way more than comfortable - but I work my ass off for it - try not to judge people without at the very least listening to what they have to say....
I believe the video that Hutch put out was great. It shows that we can't take care of ourselves but we sure as hell want to take care of our interests everywhere else.
I think the people who are being troublemakers are stupid, end of story; the people who are actually peacefully protesting and are being wrongly arrested are facing pure BS. "I may not like what you have to say, but goddammit, I will die for your right to say it!"
you and me share the same view Verbal, but to me it seems more like un-educated people, and people from, to be political correct "less fortunate homes" are blaming the government becaues they fucked up and can't get a job. now I dont live in Usa myself, and got little to no insigth on whats really going on, but I beleive and hope there are some people protesting for the right reasons, which is that the so called 1% shall pay taxes at the same rate as others.
@MrStangnes I see where you're coming from but I still don't believe the government made the right choice in bailing these companies out - it hurt us in the long run...
@MrStangnes I think it's a system that does work in the long run as long as you don't try to bend it to your will - the Gov jumping in and 'helping out' really hurt us in the longer run - IMO - it may have helped us rebound quickly from the original issues - but where do we leave our kids if we set ourselves up for this to happen again?
@verbal1781 that's a good point, the Gov not jumping in.. the most important thing I beleive is that people are to be taxed also on profit on interest, and not only on their profession or work. Im sorry if you quite follow my train of thoughts here, English isnt my first language so had to look up a few words..
also thanks for having this disscusion on a more mature level then most other places on the internet :)
Yeah I get your point of view but there's no way to change the system of you're not gonna bge fucking annoying to everyone around.. Isn't that the point of a protest? And I wouldn't say there a majority of assholes... most people are just there to support the cause.
The people who you say are there for no reason, actually make the whole demonstration worth it. They want to get people talking about this, and making it massive is a great way. Its a shame you cant sleep well though :/ haha
Thank God someone else that isn't on the band wagon. Some of the stuff, like CEO pay, I can understand, Chesapeake Energy is a prime example, however, the government shouldn't be doing that, stockholders should. I trade, and dislike the banking sector, but a lot of these protestors hate Wall Street in general. Companies like AAPL, GOOG, COST, XOM, and many more. And then theres the whole, universal education, healthcare, and forgive all of the college/home debt. Just can't get behind it.
So it's an inconvenience to you on a personal level to get a sandwich, and you "know a person who saw a thing about a guy on tv".... I don't think you should really use those as an bases or an argument talking about this subject. "I can't get to my office". :D You wouldn't happen to WORK on wallstreet now would you? lol.
@ZeroG84 nope I work in advertising - and like I said I agree with what they have to say (the few that are coherent) and as I stated in the video I completely understand that putting me at that inconvenience is worth what they are protesting. also I didn't base my argument on those things - maybe you didn't bother listening to the first part of my commentary? I feel like you are trolling - which is a shame given I was looking for decent discussion about this.
I admire the fact that there are people out there that will stand up and try to change things. However, many of them are just trying to take advantage of the situation. Look at what happened in Rome, the "protestors" came out with masks on, and then proceeded to burn, destroy, and loot, they went there for that sole purpose alone. No doubt the job market stinks, but there are some out there. The problem is many people will not take those jobs because they feel the position is beneath them.
@BryanR73 In Rome, it was massive because they werent there for just the occupy rome, there were other demonstrartions, so i dont think you can count these people to the same group.
@BryanR73 Yes, tbh that is probably because you live in America. Rome is so far away, but i happen to be Dutch and we had a topic on the news over each place ;)
@BryanR73 The pay after taxes is what is beneath the human value. If you work 3 jobs just to pay the intrests of your student loan or heathcare bills, that's not a way to live now is it? You'll never get out of debt. The reality of it all is, that if banks and corporations would make more money with out a single person working there, they would! It's never about the jobs in free market capitalism. It's never about the people. And I my self think the people are the only thing that matter.
@ZeroG84 So youre saying the reason our pay after taxes is low is because we need these people to pay the govt. more taxes? Maybe occupy wall street should move to occupy capitol hill, and instead of hypocritically protesting against greed all the while demanding more of what they want, actually go after the govt that subsidizes and has given these companies the ability to do what they please as long as they continue to fund the next party re-election campaign.
@ZeroG84 When I say this I speak from personal experience, and I know that this does not apply to everyone. I worked in the mortgage business for about 10 years, and the things I saw people do were beyond stupid. So many people bought homes they could not afford on the day they signed the papers out of want. They refinanced homes not to pay off debt, but to take vacations, buy a car, and just buy more "stuff". The level of irresponsibilty and stupidity was honestly off the charts.
@ZeroG84 The downturn in the economy and job market also affected my wife and I as well. I lost my job when my company went out of business, and for a year we used credit to stay afloat. I now work at a job that pays me half what I used to make, but I chose to work rather than collect unemployment. My wife also took a massive pay cut just to keep her job. Through all that we have never paid a bill late, and still have our home because we were more responsible.
@BryanR73 Let me guess, you are the 53% and you are so proud of it? Well good for you. Just so you know, every loan you have right now could be called in at any second, with the intrests. That's what banks do in economic crysis. People end up paying more in intrests than their houses are worth, and then the money they borrowed. And like in the US, they end up paying with everything they got, and still end up on the street. I any street would do, but Wallstreet sounds good too.
@ZeroG84 53% of what? I don't know where what you are basing your knowledge of loans on, but unless you are in breach of your mortgage contract, they cannot call it.
@BryanR73 very interesting comments as usual bud - sorry to hear about you and your wife's situation - clearly though your fiscal responsibility left you both in a position that you still own your home and while you've been had to take huge cuts to your lifestyle to afford that I applaud you both for making the most of a bad situation.
I think that its important for that visual message of OWS protesters actually being in WallStreet, it makes them and their message difficult to ignore, the first few days had virtually no media coverage of it - when even smaller but more 'media worthy' protests got on the headlines. If the media reported this more fairly in general, then it would be less essential for them to disrupt business as usual.
@Urethanerush couldn't agree more - they need to be here - specifically in our area - having said that they should be doing more to work with the local community - they are amazingly disrespectful to the police force sent in to handle the situation - are they really made at a cop that makes $45K a year? seriously? come on - stay on course and be mad at the financial institutions that our Government bailed out, I'm mad at the companies and the Government
@verbal1781 The police certainly get put in wierd situations for their duty. If the main objectives of OWS succeed then the cops benefit from this - their tax will be less unfair, funding for the police would go up, and political candidates representing their view more. There have been huge donations to police charities to concentrate their protection on donors, but thats a higher-up issue.
I agree that as OWS grows I hope it will become more professional / considerate of its targets.
Verbal, i'm so glad that you tackled this problem cause i dont think anyone else is capable of making criticism against the movement without just being an idiot.
First i have to say i agree with the Occupy movement, but i think that protesting is the only reasonable way that they can bring thewir message into public view. if they were not occupying, there would be no media coverage. What other methodology would you recommend to this great movement?
dromefrog8 3 months ago
@dromefrog8 it's not the occupying that I disagree with - to your point they're getting media coverage because they are physically there. It's the way they go about it. Have some common decency and treat the police with the respect they deserve. Also work with the local community boards, ours has reached out to them several times (cause we all understand and support what they are protesting) with no response. They won't work with us... it's a shame really
verbal1781 3 months ago
@verbal1781 I Agree with both of those, and it bothers me that this hasn't taken place. I'm typically against people protesting in situations where the protesters provoke police, i.e. Dancing at the Jefferson memorial. I simply find the infringement upon our rights too egregious to just let it pass by, and I have utmost respect for servicemen but i'm getting the feeling that it isn't always provoked by protesters anymore. As for disrupting private lives - effective albeit rude attention grabber.
dromefrog8 3 months ago
You sir, deserve a medal.
Hamble250 3 months ago
With the whole 2% knowledgeable, 98% not, I don't have any proof to disagree with you, but I still feel that the fact that people are showing up annoyed shows a change in what was one a massively apathetic generation. Yes, the protest has been ruined due to Paul-ites and idiots but the core message of corruption and unfair wealth disparity are still there. And the police have done some utter dick moves. Pushing everyone onto the bridge to be arrested and kettling only causes anger and violence.
ItsAudioworm 4 months ago
You know how heavily I support the actions of OWS, and while I see what you are saying I have to disagree somewhat. During the Education cuts here, my University became a huge protest centre. Our board had basically decided to cut all Language funding for the next few years. Getting to classes meant I had to leave 10 minutes earlier to ensure I was on time. I put up with it because I did support their case, I knew that my inconvenience was nothing compared to what could be lost.
ItsAudioworm 4 months ago
Imagine that, a man living on Wall Street, supporting Wall street haha. durpadurpa. You sound like a sheep man.
ismfofbiggestfan 4 months ago
@ismfofbiggestfan wow - congrats on not listening to a damn thing I said..... specifically said I DON'T support wall st - that I 00% disagree with the concept of privatized gains and socialized losses which is what happened on wall st in the past few years - you basically didn't listen to what I said did you? wait why the FUCK am I bothering to write all this out to you? seek life elsewhere troll
verbal1781 4 months ago 5
Hey Verbal,
First and foremost, welcome back. I agree with you on this occupy Wall Street movement. I've seen the YouTube videos on what the protestors have said has happened to them and I say, "Oh its the cops over reacting again", but then I take a trip down there, I see these kids doing any and everything in their power to get some type of reaction from the police. Also, its fine that they want to protest, but doesn't mean they should try to pick fights with people that work in the area.
5speedracer 4 months ago
@verbal1781 Have you seen the 53 blog? It's a collection of photos from people who are employed and disagree with the way the protests are going. the53.tumblr.com/
esupin 4 months ago
I agree...people just don't know how to protest. It's just a hivemind attitude that's perpetuated everywhere. I agree that 98% of people have no idea what the real cause is and they're pretty useless but what they do realize is that something is majorly wrong. As for the people just there causing shit...gtfo. I can see how annoying it would be working on Wall Street with this going on though...i feel sorry for you
JackksPro 4 months ago
The bullet points for occupy wallstreet screams fabian socialism. Move to another country and occupy that not wallstreet.
Kenpachisan36 4 months ago
i think theyve got things mixed up...99%:1% means nothing and 100% will solve nothing...most of these people are sheep following the ideals of someone who convinced them without critically thinking things through for themselves...i think its good that something is happening to potentially get rid of some corruption, but i think being so mad has made them blind to reasoning and is counterproductive...i hope this leads to a solution but this 99% shit is bogus
WilfordBrimleyGaming 4 months ago
A few bad apples spoil the bunch. This country is in termoil and her citizens are mad. Most people can not express why, and that is sad. All citizens are created equal is a hard concept to buy into when there is such a clear gap in gains.
saltdog1975 4 months ago
I dont have any opinion.... unless "dicks" counts as an opinion
MrITryHard 4 months ago
I wonder why so many of the protesters are waving communist flags and such. That's also funny how even Obama said "Oh, I understand the protesters and I support them". Dude, you gave bailout to the banks, just like Bush! What next? Bank owners say they support the protesters? Nonsense. The message is ok, but I agree, most of the protesters have no idea what are the protests about.
thatmaninblack 4 months ago
HEY, i'm british and sorry but i have know idea what your on about. i did go to manhatten over the summer!! I kept a look out for you :P but too many asian tourists were in the way
headsh0tpker 4 months ago 2
@headsh0tpker LOL
verbal1781 4 months ago 3
I don't really know that much about occupy wallstreet, so i may have it all wrong, but from what I've seen it's people who's way of complaining about there not being enough money on the economy is to take a month off work to whine to the banks when they could be working and earning money for the economy. I get where they are coming from but I just don't understand why they chose to do it this way.
SmallishSwede 4 months ago
@SmallishSwede Its not about there not being enough, its about inequity in the way the money is spread out...ie 1% of the population holds the majority of wealth while the rest have very little...its not just about work/unemployment but its also about corporate greed. Banks really have fucked the US up.
shakenbake1869 4 months ago
You being bothered by a few troublemakers seems more like an excuse to dismiss a movement than it is an argument against their purpose. People are mad Verbal, there are people who have not been able to find meaningful employment for YEARS.
WINZ0W 4 months ago
@WINZ0W Bud did you honestly even listen to the commentary before writing this? I very clearly state that I'm NOT dismissing them and that I 100% agree with the message - I hate the way they are doing it - but I agree with what they are saying - come on - this isn't your average YT channel - this is for grown up discussion. I know we both can be better than that. Discuss something with me that I'm wrong about - but not for something you missed that I don't disagree with....
verbal1781 4 months ago 7
@verbal1781 Let me clear up my position, you dismissing "98%" (@ 2:00 ) of the people protesting sounds like an excuse to dismiss the OWS protests. You are right to point out that there are trouble makers and instigators among the many thousands who are protesting, it is a public event that with out a doubt is going to attract negative attention.
Your inconvenienced by people who are getting out there because lives are being ruined.
WINZ0W 4 months ago
@WINZ0W Yeah, but they're being hypocritical by making even more peoples lives annoying/hard/pick your word. He said that their message is good, but like so often, they're doing it in the wrong way. If they really wanted to be taken seriously and NOT be dismissed by the educated community, they would act with some civility.
SumnerEye 4 months ago
@SumnerEye People aren't protesting because they are annoyed, just so you know the problem runs a little deeper than that. While I know your democracy may be anemic at the moment I assure you THIS IS what peaceful revolutions look like. Annoying yes, but they are far from violent. MLK said something that is relevant to this, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Embrace your peaceful revolution.
WINZ0W 4 months ago
@WINZ0W Oh, I agree completely about that. I'm actually taking a course at Uni thats related to this, funnily enough :P As revolutions go, this has been peaceful historically speaking. I'm not totally convinced that this IS a revolution, more than a protest, though. My point was just that it's all well and good to be proactive and champion what you believe in, but you have to be rational and understand the opposing side at the same time. Not necessarily saying they're not, just that they should
SumnerEye 4 months ago
I guess I support the message, but not the way they're doing it.
I like the fact that people want to get involved but I bet that you could ask 100 people what they're trying to accomplish and 75 would give a short answer without much thought. It would be like, "We want, uh.. change! The goverment and big companies are... uh.." (other person joins in) "Eff- the corporations!" -Crowd uproar-.
ForeverTheNewbie 4 months ago
@ForeverTheNewbie well said - couldn't agree more....it's the 80 20 rule in effect yet again - 20% of people know why and what they'e there for and (I'd hope) are doing it in a peaceful and respectful manner - its the other 80% that are sheep - lets jump on the bandwagon...
verbal1781 4 months ago
@verbal1781 Not all people are well educated, articulate people who can clearly define what it is they are upset about. Some people are angry that they are out of work and don't have a way to let you know that will make you happy.
I don't know what the outcome will be but I can tell you one thing for sure, you are going to see more of that kind of behavior the longer this goes on. Think of it as negative reinforcement for those in charge.
WINZ0W 4 months ago
@verbal1781 Verbal what do you think about that army sargent that went out and tried to get the message out to the police that the violence they were inflicting was wrong?
CoDMacDaddy 4 months ago
He he.. He he... Erect.
thelordofu 4 months ago
You don't make any sense. You are so comfortable and don't see the big picture at all. It is much more than Wall Street.
Eyeonappalachia 4 months ago
@Eyeonappalachia why don't you educate me - I think I pretty clearly stated that I agree with their complaints of:
1 taking the money out of politics
2 stop privatized gains and socialized losses
What 'big picture' are you talking of that I didn't just explain and explain that I actually agree with? And yes I admit I'm comfortable - in fact I'm way more than comfortable - but I work my ass off for it - try not to judge people without at the very least listening to what they have to say....
verbal1781 4 months ago 4
I believe the video that Hutch put out was great. It shows that we can't take care of ourselves but we sure as hell want to take care of our interests everywhere else.
I think the people who are being troublemakers are stupid, end of story; the people who are actually peacefully protesting and are being wrongly arrested are facing pure BS. "I may not like what you have to say, but goddammit, I will die for your right to say it!"
remairwaldo 4 months ago
@remairwaldo love that quote...
verbal1781 4 months ago
@verbal1781 It's such a beautiful quote. It has the best elements in it: Brotherhood, justice, sacrifice.
It's just all around great.......I wish I knew who said it though
remairwaldo 4 months ago
you and me share the same view Verbal, but to me it seems more like un-educated people, and people from, to be political correct "less fortunate homes" are blaming the government becaues they fucked up and can't get a job. now I dont live in Usa myself, and got little to no insigth on whats really going on, but I beleive and hope there are some people protesting for the right reasons, which is that the so called 1% shall pay taxes at the same rate as others.
MrStangnes 4 months ago
@MrStangnes I see where you're coming from but I still don't believe the government made the right choice in bailing these companies out - it hurt us in the long run...
verbal1781 4 months ago
@verbal1781 yes I agree, it's the way capitalism works really, short-term and good at a first look..
Thanks for the reply aswel :)
MrStangnes 4 months ago
@MrStangnes I think it's a system that does work in the long run as long as you don't try to bend it to your will - the Gov jumping in and 'helping out' really hurt us in the longer run - IMO - it may have helped us rebound quickly from the original issues - but where do we leave our kids if we set ourselves up for this to happen again?
verbal1781 4 months ago
@verbal1781 that's a good point, the Gov not jumping in.. the most important thing I beleive is that people are to be taxed also on profit on interest, and not only on their profession or work. Im sorry if you quite follow my train of thoughts here, English isnt my first language so had to look up a few words..
also thanks for having this disscusion on a more mature level then most other places on the internet :)
MrStangnes 4 months ago
If we didn't allow the government to give favors and pick winners and losers there wouldn't be a problem.
xOutlaw6x 4 months ago
Yeah I get your point of view but there's no way to change the system of you're not gonna bge fucking annoying to everyone around.. Isn't that the point of a protest? And I wouldn't say there a majority of assholes... most people are just there to support the cause.
karlehamel 4 months ago
Oh hell yes, verbal video in teh morning? yes:D and i totally agree with your views, the concept is good, execution is bad. great comm bro.
tHeSiMm36 4 months ago
Massacre is soo loud during this. STOP RAGING MATT. lol
Lorenzo6501 4 months ago
@Lorenzo6501 LOL
verbal1781 4 months ago
Nice vid, I agree what you said
oldie121 4 months ago
We are the 99%!!!!!!
blackfizzonator 4 months ago 2
@blackfizzonator Yeah 99% of the population jobless bums who have nothing else to do.
patwas42 4 months ago
@patwas42 lol you're part of the 99% also.
blackfizzonator 4 months ago
Nice videos, you got a subscribe from me :)
fredriknet95 4 months ago
@fredriknet95 welcome aboard....
verbal1781 4 months ago
lol drums at 3am? FUUUU...
shakenbake1869 4 months ago
@shakenbake1869 LOL yup....
verbal1781 4 months ago
No offence, but you should remove the sound/voices from the game. It's just distracting and annoying.
alex300010 4 months ago
@alex300010 yup my apologies on that one....
verbal1781 4 months ago
The people who you say are there for no reason, actually make the whole demonstration worth it. They want to get people talking about this, and making it massive is a great way. Its a shame you cant sleep well though :/ haha
maartenh94 4 months ago
@maartenh94 I"ll survive with the lack of sleep and the annoyance - I want change too..
verbal1781 4 months ago
Thank God someone else that isn't on the band wagon. Some of the stuff, like CEO pay, I can understand, Chesapeake Energy is a prime example, however, the government shouldn't be doing that, stockholders should. I trade, and dislike the banking sector, but a lot of these protestors hate Wall Street in general. Companies like AAPL, GOOG, COST, XOM, and many more. And then theres the whole, universal education, healthcare, and forgive all of the college/home debt. Just can't get behind it.
HKUser92 4 months ago
@HKUser92 well said
verbal1781 4 months ago
So it's an inconvenience to you on a personal level to get a sandwich, and you "know a person who saw a thing about a guy on tv".... I don't think you should really use those as an bases or an argument talking about this subject. "I can't get to my office". :D You wouldn't happen to WORK on wallstreet now would you? lol.
ZeroG84 4 months ago
@ZeroG84 nope I work in advertising - and like I said I agree with what they have to say (the few that are coherent) and as I stated in the video I completely understand that putting me at that inconvenience is worth what they are protesting. also I didn't base my argument on those things - maybe you didn't bother listening to the first part of my commentary? I feel like you are trolling - which is a shame given I was looking for decent discussion about this.
verbal1781 4 months ago
I admire the fact that there are people out there that will stand up and try to change things. However, many of them are just trying to take advantage of the situation. Look at what happened in Rome, the "protestors" came out with masks on, and then proceeded to burn, destroy, and loot, they went there for that sole purpose alone. No doubt the job market stinks, but there are some out there. The problem is many people will not take those jobs because they feel the position is beneath them.
BryanR73 4 months ago
@BryanR73 In Rome, it was massive because they werent there for just the occupy rome, there were other demonstrartions, so i dont think you can count these people to the same group.
maartenh94 4 months ago
@maartenh94 That may very well be true. Many of the news stories I saw and artices I read kind of lumped them in under the same "occupy" movement.
BryanR73 4 months ago
@BryanR73 Yes, tbh that is probably because you live in America. Rome is so far away, but i happen to be Dutch and we had a topic on the news over each place ;)
maartenh94 4 months ago
@BryanR73 The pay after taxes is what is beneath the human value. If you work 3 jobs just to pay the intrests of your student loan or heathcare bills, that's not a way to live now is it? You'll never get out of debt. The reality of it all is, that if banks and corporations would make more money with out a single person working there, they would! It's never about the jobs in free market capitalism. It's never about the people. And I my self think the people are the only thing that matter.
ZeroG84 4 months ago
@ZeroG84 So youre saying the reason our pay after taxes is low is because we need these people to pay the govt. more taxes? Maybe occupy wall street should move to occupy capitol hill, and instead of hypocritically protesting against greed all the while demanding more of what they want, actually go after the govt that subsidizes and has given these companies the ability to do what they please as long as they continue to fund the next party re-election campaign.
GodHatesMars 4 months ago
@ZeroG84 When I say this I speak from personal experience, and I know that this does not apply to everyone. I worked in the mortgage business for about 10 years, and the things I saw people do were beyond stupid. So many people bought homes they could not afford on the day they signed the papers out of want. They refinanced homes not to pay off debt, but to take vacations, buy a car, and just buy more "stuff". The level of irresponsibilty and stupidity was honestly off the charts.
BryanR73 4 months ago
@ZeroG84 The downturn in the economy and job market also affected my wife and I as well. I lost my job when my company went out of business, and for a year we used credit to stay afloat. I now work at a job that pays me half what I used to make, but I chose to work rather than collect unemployment. My wife also took a massive pay cut just to keep her job. Through all that we have never paid a bill late, and still have our home because we were more responsible.
BryanR73 4 months ago
@BryanR73 Let me guess, you are the 53% and you are so proud of it? Well good for you. Just so you know, every loan you have right now could be called in at any second, with the intrests. That's what banks do in economic crysis. People end up paying more in intrests than their houses are worth, and then the money they borrowed. And like in the US, they end up paying with everything they got, and still end up on the street. I any street would do, but Wallstreet sounds good too.
ZeroG84 4 months ago
@ZeroG84 53% of what? I don't know where what you are basing your knowledge of loans on, but unless you are in breach of your mortgage contract, they cannot call it.
BryanR73 4 months ago
@BryanR73 very interesting comments as usual bud - sorry to hear about you and your wife's situation - clearly though your fiscal responsibility left you both in a position that you still own your home and while you've been had to take huge cuts to your lifestyle to afford that I applaud you both for making the most of a bad situation.
verbal1781 4 months ago
I've always appreciated your insight Verbal :) cool vid
dacshore 4 months ago
I think that its important for that visual message of OWS protesters actually being in WallStreet, it makes them and their message difficult to ignore, the first few days had virtually no media coverage of it - when even smaller but more 'media worthy' protests got on the headlines. If the media reported this more fairly in general, then it would be less essential for them to disrupt business as usual.
Urethanerush 4 months ago
@Urethanerush couldn't agree more - they need to be here - specifically in our area - having said that they should be doing more to work with the local community - they are amazingly disrespectful to the police force sent in to handle the situation - are they really made at a cop that makes $45K a year? seriously? come on - stay on course and be mad at the financial institutions that our Government bailed out, I'm mad at the companies and the Government
verbal1781 4 months ago
@verbal1781 The police certainly get put in wierd situations for their duty. If the main objectives of OWS succeed then the cops benefit from this - their tax will be less unfair, funding for the police would go up, and political candidates representing their view more. There have been huge donations to police charities to concentrate their protection on donors, but thats a higher-up issue.
I agree that as OWS grows I hope it will become more professional / considerate of its targets.
Urethanerush 4 months ago
already a dislike? wtf
FJaypewpew 4 months ago
@FJaypewpew
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MrStone125 4 months ago