The funny thing is, I did not post this footage to be adversarial, the fact that Police now have cameras on them and their Police vehicles they can capture images of the public. But God forbid the public stops to obvserve (at a lawful location)and make them accountable for their actions.
so you're advocating that holding mistrustful views openly towards them and breathing down their neck, it's going to help things. I feel sorry for the way you think.
You have a right to film the police as long as you are not putting yourself or them in danger (which is always subjective to the police.) Good for you. Nevermind all the badgelicker's comments. They probably all still believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.
@1bythecee "You have a right to film the police as long as you are not putting yourself or them in danger (which is always subjective to the police.) Good for you. Nevermind all the badgelicker's comments. They probably all still believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus." - LOL, cop cocksuckers I call em, simple minded bastards!
Actually the training can be classified as the necessary part of an investigation, especially it was training for a specific event and is therefore not public records. Again, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! You are lucky you were not detained at gun point and questioned, you should have been. For all they know you are an look-out.
When you attend a California Post Certified Academy, you are authorized to enforce the California Penal Code and Vehicle Code anywhere in the state of California. Furthermore that SWAT ARV is shared by several SoBay agencies including El Segundo and Torrance. There is no jurisdiction violation here whatsoever. And you are not permitted to tape the training exercises of SWAT teams without their permission, the officer had every right to tell you to buzz off.. lucky that's all you got from TPD.
I'm all in favor of training. But in public view, there is nothing they can do. Last I checked, we do not live in a fascist or military junta dictatorship.
evidently mrcode thinks we live in a different country, or a different time. you have every right to video tape the police, not to hinder them, or obstruct. but you have every right to video tape them. and federal money is still taxpayers money, doesn't matter how the agency got the money it is all taxpayer money. we payed for it.
@MRCODE7 Go to hell. Under federal wiretapping law when you are in the public domain and can be seen from a public place, YOU CAN BE FILMED! Don't like it, either die or quit being a cop (maybe the latter or both are th best moves for ya!)
i've never had any problems working with torrance. This guy filming is probly some fat fuck that couldn't get hired by a PD and is trying to vent, what a loser.
People like you need to have your cameras taken away. Your big and tough calling when the police are in town to "verify" that they are police officers. But, if a robber comes in your neighborhood you put your head in the sand and run away. Nice Work. The cops should have been rude to you. It looks like they are going training. Why don't you let them train so they can save your ass next time you need them....or are you the type of person that would rather complain when they mess up?
I have run down and apprehended many a purse and chain snatcher in New York City when I grew up and lived there. Most recently, assisted MB Police with a shoplifter running out of Fry's electronics on Rosecrans. Are you on the job? Let me tell you something, when I observe someone I do not look at the color of their skin nor the uniform they wear. If something looks out of place, I run to the action not away from it!
I doubt those depratments of the DA's would appreciate you talking about their cases if they are as recent as you claim. There are likely ongoing investigations and you danger the objectiveness by speaking on them in a public forum, perhaps I should forward this.
I do not discuss details of any case. The matters I videotape are civil cases not criminal cases and belive it or not, cops have sued their departments on workplace related issues. I'm speaking generally here and not specific to the TPD. Your welcome to forward anything.
You can't logically debate or follow any continuity at all can you? Perhaps that's why all you can do is videotape. My comment was in response to your own vigillante like tendencies you mentioned above. I didn't ask you about your work chief, I could not care less that you're an over paid tripod.
philflash don't worry about mrcode he is retarded,,, they let him have playtime on the computer everyday, evidently he needs to have his time restricted, good video, you have every right to video these guys, they are public servants, not nazi secret police, not yet anyway
Torrance police are ass holes they like to profile and mess with people I was comming home late from work and got pulled over they wouldnt tell me why and at the end a officer by the name of Gribon chocked me and said remeber where the fuck your at this is torrance and ill kill you glad to see our tax dollars at work
You must look like a dirtbag or turd deluxe then. Cops do criminal profiling because it works. If you look like a crook, you're gonna get stopped. I've driven through Torrance for over 10 years and never been stopped. Must be you dude....look in the mirror and figure it out.
Way to go Gribon, that's exactly how i like to see my tax dollars at work. Maybe if we had more Gribons, torrance wouldnt be turning into such a shit sandwhich. We should post and army of Gribons around del amo mall to stop the inflow of shit from compton gardena and hawthorne. Fuck it, put a couple more peices of shit in the ground and let the word get around, Im sure we can find some shovels and rakes to throw around them afterwards.
"Mexican Federal Police." Really? My eyesite is like my spelling, poor. But, I thought I saw Torrance Police on the side of the black and white police cars.
I may have mischaracterized my description. I felt because they were out of their jurisdiction they should not have objected to my videotaping. The officer speaking was stern but polite. They could have been the Mexican Federal Police or not police at all. To put it simply, they were out of place in our community and nobody else would think to question them. An El Segundo officer should have been with them that was my concern.
You are a moron. Their badge says state of California, therefore not out of their jurisdiction. You can obviously tell where they are from since the multiple cars and trucks you taped say "Torrance Police" as well as their shirt patches. They don't need El Segundo with them loser, and are obviously using a building somewhat let them borrow for training. Get a life....
I did not say they were out of their jurisdiction. My understanding, in California, it goes by state. They were "off post" as the term is used on the east coast.
That is not your call to decide how these officers trained, they do not have to notify the public. If you knew so much about police policy you would know that police departments use joint task forces made up of multiple police departments and leave their jurisdictions on a daily basis to do follow up reports, server warrants and train. They are California Post Certified, that's all that matters.....end of story, find a day job.
I was coming home from work (Court Videographer) spotted interesting activity and approached with concern. Many police officers have been before my camera because of their "less inteligent" actions and what they perpetrated on other police officers to boot! I did not trespass and was on a public right of way. I'm pro police and last time I checked, a portion of what I pay and others who work in the private sector go to fund police activity. Simple accountability here.
Actually unless you own property and pay property taxes in the city of Torrance none of your money went to pay for this. Even the shared multi-city armored vehicle came from a federal grant out of non-tax funds so you have no say in this. Get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself!
you can rant all you want while we still have the first amendment. but to say that because the money comes from a federal grant the person has no say over how the money is spent, or what an agency does with the money, sir you are a boob. where do you think that federal grant money comes from; it comes from taxes, the same as local taxes. the police are PUBLIC servants and answerable to the same. so you sir are the fool. have a nice day.
I'm sorry I attempted to define boob in my adult dictionary and for some reason it did not come up as an appropriate word for utilization in a logical argument. Not all federal money comes from tax funds, and I mentioned that above if you payed close attention. Most federal grants to police go towards traffic enforcement, which SWAT isn't involved in to say the least. The police are public servants but not all entities within the police are public affairs. Please use adult words next time.
mrcode you are retarded, every dollar that any government spends in any department is tax dollars,,, where do you think that money comes from? they take it out of your back pocket and pay for stuff. county, city, state, federal governments are all operated on tax dollars, as well as the intelligence agencies, all branches of the military, etc... it is all tax dollars.... from your back pocket to somebody else, and if you add up all the tax you pay on everything you are taxed at about 60-65%/
and the definition of a boob as used in the present context of the discussion with the dribble headed baboon whom i am speaking with, is an accepted socially accepted way to say that you mrcode are a retarded dumbass...
If are unable to refrain from ad hominem and engage in an adult and logical discussion without making unnecessary personal attacks then I suppose there is nothing to say to you. Words like boob and retarded only weaken your argument. I look forward to speaking with you again one day in the future should you change your traits, I suggest a philosophy or debate class. Have a great day.
OH MY BAD, i see the problem now your 21, you don't have enough brain cells to know you are wrong, and you have been brainwashed by the socialist school system,,, you can attack my words all you want, but it does not negate the facts, you are wrong, tax dollars pay for everything from the president's salary, to the mayor's. every stitch of the police, swat, traffic all of it is payed for by tax payers dollars and all of it is open to discussion and filming. they are public servants on public prp
Socialist school system? I was president of the young republicans club and am a very strong fiscal conservative. Again I can't responsibly engage n a debate in which the opposition lacks the intellect to carry on a conversation without engaging in ad hominem when the conversation does not suit them. I can tell you though while it is true police officers are public servants, they are payed by local property taxes, which means a Gundo resident does not pay any Torrance PD salaries.
Furthermore attacking words and facts is how a logical adult debate works, attacking the person is what children and men with to much testosterone engage in. As far as facts go you are wrong not all government actions are up for public viewing or discussion. There is a very valid reason the police and federal law enforcement entities keep some information out of public records. For example SWAT teams serve warrants, would yo want a felon taping this? I think not.
yes i would want felons taping this, you see mr young republican, even a felon has rights, innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of it. and the point i was making before is you said the money paying for the exercise being conducted may have come from a federal grant, and you further implied, that this money was not tax money, and the point i was making is that ALL FEDERAL MONEY IS TAX MONEY... I am also a republican, but the thing you are failing to realize is that the remark of a socialist
Yes I have heard of innocent until proven guilty but by calling someone a felon that implies that they have been convicted of felony and are therefore guilty. I never implied that no tax money was in play here, that is an asinine accusation. As far as letting the police have privacy to do investigations and planning for preventative crime tactics, I support this, as do most Americans. I'm sorry if you disagree with that but it occurs and will continue to do so. Please debate without insult.
An argument of "I'm a better Republican than you" is childish, I'm sure even you can see that if you aren't already blinded with unwarranted rage. As far as documentation as someone with a law degree and works alot closer to this field than you may think, as if my handle did not give that away, I'm sure I'm more qualified to answer these questions about police protocol than you are.
cont... the school in no way implies that you are a socialist. it implies that the information you have floating around in your head has been tainted... i watch oreilly, i am a republican. and from the sound of your comments i am more conservative than you are. this opinion i based on the tone of your posts that you have made... and before you turn fox news on again you need to read and study 3 documents, declaration of independence, constitution, and bill of rights...which you obviously haven't
Obviously my friend all you are capable of is hurling insults if you would ever like to engage in a logical debate as established and agreed upon before engagement, which includes a lack of ad hominem, then there is no point in talking to you. I won't be taken to your level of personality accusation and tone as it would anecdotal and futile as we do not know each other. By the way if you want real conservatism news and philosophy you might want to stay away from TV.
Just wanted to say hello to all the supporters of the Torrance Police Department
TorrancePolice 1 year ago
@TorrancePolice LOL!!! Your page is cracking me up! LOL! LOL! LOL!
HappyHooker83 9 months ago
You're a fucking idiot, Phil.
805Nicodemus 1 year ago
@805Nicodemus Fuck you, douche!
HappyHooker83 2 months ago
Fire in the hole.
bb4960 1 year ago
one word these cops are
PurpleNickel 2 years ago
Who cares who pays for what, what agency they're from, ad nauseum!
HE HAD THE RIGHT TO FILM THEM!
PERIOD. JUST BECAUSE THE POLICE DON'T LIKE IT DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
But of course these officers would have just played the CONTEMPT OF COP card (bogus disorderly conduct charge) had this man not acquiesced.
THUGS.
Wise up you false patriots.
1bythecee 2 years ago
This jackass spent god knows how long of his life video taping this. Get real!
Torrance is pretty much right next to El Segundo, so is Inglewood, hawthorne, etc.
And who are you?
"Wanna make sure they are legitimate"
Oh yea like a group of guys are just gonna have Torrance vehicles and uniform on huh?
DarkConflict 3 years ago
Getting ready for a raid? Post 911 militant police training? Whats in the bags?
YearOfTiger7 3 years ago
The funny thing is, I did not post this footage to be adversarial, the fact that Police now have cameras on them and their Police vehicles they can capture images of the public. But God forbid the public stops to obvserve (at a lawful location)and make them accountable for their actions.
Philflash 3 years ago
so you're advocating that holding mistrustful views openly towards them and breathing down their neck, it's going to help things. I feel sorry for the way you think.
rudeawakeningxx 3 years ago
You have a right to film the police as long as you are not putting yourself or them in danger (which is always subjective to the police.) Good for you. Nevermind all the badgelicker's comments. They probably all still believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.
1bythecee 2 years ago
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@1bythecee "You have a right to film the police as long as you are not putting yourself or them in danger (which is always subjective to the police.) Good for you. Nevermind all the badgelicker's comments. They probably all still believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus." - LOL, cop cocksuckers I call em, simple minded bastards!
HappyHooker83 2 months ago
@Philflash True, Phile, true.
HappyHooker83 9 months ago
Actually the training can be classified as the necessary part of an investigation, especially it was training for a specific event and is therefore not public records. Again, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! You are lucky you were not detained at gun point and questioned, you should have been. For all they know you are an look-out.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
When you attend a California Post Certified Academy, you are authorized to enforce the California Penal Code and Vehicle Code anywhere in the state of California. Furthermore that SWAT ARV is shared by several SoBay agencies including El Segundo and Torrance. There is no jurisdiction violation here whatsoever. And you are not permitted to tape the training exercises of SWAT teams without their permission, the officer had every right to tell you to buzz off.. lucky that's all you got from TPD.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
I'm all in favor of training. But in public view, there is nothing they can do. Last I checked, we do not live in a fascist or military junta dictatorship.
Philflash 3 years ago
evidently mrcode thinks we live in a different country, or a different time. you have every right to video tape the police, not to hinder them, or obstruct. but you have every right to video tape them. and federal money is still taxpayers money, doesn't matter how the agency got the money it is all taxpayer money. we payed for it.
evcrawfish 3 years ago
@MRCODE7 Go to hell. Under federal wiretapping law when you are in the public domain and can be seen from a public place, YOU CAN BE FILMED! Don't like it, either die or quit being a cop (maybe the latter or both are th best moves for ya!)
HappyHooker83 9 months ago
i've never had any problems working with torrance. This guy filming is probly some fat fuck that couldn't get hired by a PD and is trying to vent, what a loser.
alexman18 3 years ago
People like you need to have your cameras taken away. Your big and tough calling when the police are in town to "verify" that they are police officers. But, if a robber comes in your neighborhood you put your head in the sand and run away. Nice Work. The cops should have been rude to you. It looks like they are going training. Why don't you let them train so they can save your ass next time you need them....or are you the type of person that would rather complain when they mess up?
211now 3 years ago
I have run down and apprehended many a purse and chain snatcher in New York City when I grew up and lived there. Most recently, assisted MB Police with a shoplifter running out of Fry's electronics on Rosecrans. Are you on the job? Let me tell you something, when I observe someone I do not look at the color of their skin nor the uniform they wear. If something looks out of place, I run to the action not away from it!
Philflash 3 years ago
I doubt those depratments of the DA's would appreciate you talking about their cases if they are as recent as you claim. There are likely ongoing investigations and you danger the objectiveness by speaking on them in a public forum, perhaps I should forward this.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
I do not discuss details of any case. The matters I videotape are civil cases not criminal cases and belive it or not, cops have sued their departments on workplace related issues. I'm speaking generally here and not specific to the TPD. Your welcome to forward anything.
Philflash 3 years ago
You can't logically debate or follow any continuity at all can you? Perhaps that's why all you can do is videotape. My comment was in response to your own vigillante like tendencies you mentioned above. I didn't ask you about your work chief, I could not care less that you're an over paid tripod.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
philflash don't worry about mrcode he is retarded,,, they let him have playtime on the computer everyday, evidently he needs to have his time restricted, good video, you have every right to video these guys, they are public servants, not nazi secret police, not yet anyway
evcrawfish 3 years ago
Torrance police are ass holes they like to profile and mess with people I was comming home late from work and got pulled over they wouldnt tell me why and at the end a officer by the name of Gribon chocked me and said remeber where the fuck your at this is torrance and ill kill you glad to see our tax dollars at work
jewlrik45c 3 years ago
You must look like a dirtbag or turd deluxe then. Cops do criminal profiling because it works. If you look like a crook, you're gonna get stopped. I've driven through Torrance for over 10 years and never been stopped. Must be you dude....look in the mirror and figure it out.
leftygun2 3 years ago
Way to go Gribon, that's exactly how i like to see my tax dollars at work. Maybe if we had more Gribons, torrance wouldnt be turning into such a shit sandwhich. We should post and army of Gribons around del amo mall to stop the inflow of shit from compton gardena and hawthorne. Fuck it, put a couple more peices of shit in the ground and let the word get around, Im sure we can find some shovels and rakes to throw around them afterwards.
thelastcowboys 3 years ago
Seriously dude, you need to move out of your mom's basement and get a life.
kates1314 3 years ago
Maybe I should take "baby steps" and start on the first floor.
Philflash 3 years ago
"Mexican Federal Police." Really? My eyesite is like my spelling, poor. But, I thought I saw Torrance Police on the side of the black and white police cars.
adubtwoone 3 years ago
How was the officer rude? It sounded like he said "excuse me sir, no pictures sir." As far as I'm concerned, he is being more then courteous to you.
captivemrhanky 3 years ago
I may have mischaracterized my description. I felt because they were out of their jurisdiction they should not have objected to my videotaping. The officer speaking was stern but polite. They could have been the Mexican Federal Police or not police at all. To put it simply, they were out of place in our community and nobody else would think to question them. An El Segundo officer should have been with them that was my concern.
Philflash 3 years ago
You are a moron. Their badge says state of California, therefore not out of their jurisdiction. You can obviously tell where they are from since the multiple cars and trucks you taped say "Torrance Police" as well as their shirt patches. They don't need El Segundo with them loser, and are obviously using a building somewhat let them borrow for training. Get a life....
leftygun2 3 years ago
jurisdiction goes by county dumb ass
way2evil1 3 years ago
I did not say they were out of their jurisdiction. My understanding, in California, it goes by state. They were "off post" as the term is used on the east coast.
Philflash 3 years ago
That is not your call to decide how these officers trained, they do not have to notify the public. If you knew so much about police policy you would know that police departments use joint task forces made up of multiple police departments and leave their jurisdictions on a daily basis to do follow up reports, server warrants and train. They are California Post Certified, that's all that matters.....end of story, find a day job.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
I was coming home from work (Court Videographer) spotted interesting activity and approached with concern. Many police officers have been before my camera because of their "less inteligent" actions and what they perpetrated on other police officers to boot! I did not trespass and was on a public right of way. I'm pro police and last time I checked, a portion of what I pay and others who work in the private sector go to fund police activity. Simple accountability here.
Philflash 3 years ago
Actually unless you own property and pay property taxes in the city of Torrance none of your money went to pay for this. Even the shared multi-city armored vehicle came from a federal grant out of non-tax funds so you have no say in this. Get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself!
MRCODE7 3 years ago
you can rant all you want while we still have the first amendment. but to say that because the money comes from a federal grant the person has no say over how the money is spent, or what an agency does with the money, sir you are a boob. where do you think that federal grant money comes from; it comes from taxes, the same as local taxes. the police are PUBLIC servants and answerable to the same. so you sir are the fool. have a nice day.
evcrawfish 3 years ago
I'm sorry I attempted to define boob in my adult dictionary and for some reason it did not come up as an appropriate word for utilization in a logical argument. Not all federal money comes from tax funds, and I mentioned that above if you payed close attention. Most federal grants to police go towards traffic enforcement, which SWAT isn't involved in to say the least. The police are public servants but not all entities within the police are public affairs. Please use adult words next time.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
mrcode you are retarded, every dollar that any government spends in any department is tax dollars,,, where do you think that money comes from? they take it out of your back pocket and pay for stuff. county, city, state, federal governments are all operated on tax dollars, as well as the intelligence agencies, all branches of the military, etc... it is all tax dollars.... from your back pocket to somebody else, and if you add up all the tax you pay on everything you are taxed at about 60-65%/
evcrawfish 3 years ago
and the definition of a boob as used in the present context of the discussion with the dribble headed baboon whom i am speaking with, is an accepted socially accepted way to say that you mrcode are a retarded dumbass...
evcrawfish 3 years ago
If are unable to refrain from ad hominem and engage in an adult and logical discussion without making unnecessary personal attacks then I suppose there is nothing to say to you. Words like boob and retarded only weaken your argument. I look forward to speaking with you again one day in the future should you change your traits, I suggest a philosophy or debate class. Have a great day.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
OH MY BAD, i see the problem now your 21, you don't have enough brain cells to know you are wrong, and you have been brainwashed by the socialist school system,,, you can attack my words all you want, but it does not negate the facts, you are wrong, tax dollars pay for everything from the president's salary, to the mayor's. every stitch of the police, swat, traffic all of it is payed for by tax payers dollars and all of it is open to discussion and filming. they are public servants on public prp
evcrawfish 3 years ago
Socialist school system? I was president of the young republicans club and am a very strong fiscal conservative. Again I can't responsibly engage n a debate in which the opposition lacks the intellect to carry on a conversation without engaging in ad hominem when the conversation does not suit them. I can tell you though while it is true police officers are public servants, they are payed by local property taxes, which means a Gundo resident does not pay any Torrance PD salaries.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
so? they're still police. you're acting as if gundo police are somehow more trustworhty or better than any other police.
rudeawakeningxxx 3 years ago
Furthermore attacking words and facts is how a logical adult debate works, attacking the person is what children and men with to much testosterone engage in. As far as facts go you are wrong not all government actions are up for public viewing or discussion. There is a very valid reason the police and federal law enforcement entities keep some information out of public records. For example SWAT teams serve warrants, would yo want a felon taping this? I think not.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
yes i would want felons taping this, you see mr young republican, even a felon has rights, innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of it. and the point i was making before is you said the money paying for the exercise being conducted may have come from a federal grant, and you further implied, that this money was not tax money, and the point i was making is that ALL FEDERAL MONEY IS TAX MONEY... I am also a republican, but the thing you are failing to realize is that the remark of a socialist
evcrawfish 3 years ago
Yes I have heard of innocent until proven guilty but by calling someone a felon that implies that they have been convicted of felony and are therefore guilty. I never implied that no tax money was in play here, that is an asinine accusation. As far as letting the police have privacy to do investigations and planning for preventative crime tactics, I support this, as do most Americans. I'm sorry if you disagree with that but it occurs and will continue to do so. Please debate without insult.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
An argument of "I'm a better Republican than you" is childish, I'm sure even you can see that if you aren't already blinded with unwarranted rage. As far as documentation as someone with a law degree and works alot closer to this field than you may think, as if my handle did not give that away, I'm sure I'm more qualified to answer these questions about police protocol than you are.
MRCODE7 3 years ago
cont... the school in no way implies that you are a socialist. it implies that the information you have floating around in your head has been tainted... i watch oreilly, i am a republican. and from the sound of your comments i am more conservative than you are. this opinion i based on the tone of your posts that you have made... and before you turn fox news on again you need to read and study 3 documents, declaration of independence, constitution, and bill of rights...which you obviously haven't
evcrawfish 3 years ago
Obviously my friend all you are capable of is hurling insults if you would ever like to engage in a logical debate as established and agreed upon before engagement, which includes a lack of ad hominem, then there is no point in talking to you. I won't be taken to your level of personality accusation and tone as it would anecdotal and futile as we do not know each other. By the way if you want real conservatism news and philosophy you might want to stay away from TV.
MRCODE7 3 years ago