Eric Pickles' War Room Briefing: The challenge facing us at the next election

[Albert18264]

6.50p an hour ( before tax no expences ) is all this cretin is worth and that's being generous . Stick another donar kebab in his gob and shut the cret up .

[FlykydFly]

Vile creature.

[BillKendall6]

So the Audit Commision sent staff to a race meeting, did they Eric? Pity there was no race meeting on that day. What were you doing that you didn't notice a slight discrepancy between fact and fiction? Eating your way through the House of Commons restaurant menu?

[QuayIssues]

Where are all his pies? Whereare all his cakes? They must be in the drawers and cupboards.

[gray499kcw]

Mr creasote!!!

[Rorxz]

@Loveborough

The words of someone who is obviously very politically conscious.

[Scampirat]

One does not live under the Tories, one exists, unless of course one happens to live South of Watford and East of Portsmouth. If they get in in 2010 we can look forward to tax cuts for the rich and unemployment for the rest of us. I come from a family of teachers and under Thatcher we were so derided and our pay and conditions so eroded that education barely survived as a profession. And....... please remember there are more parties than just The Tory Tories and The Tory New Labour.

[DeadOriginal]

@Scampirat

Vote BNP

[domjuanify]

To the henchman of the red cheeked, thin lipped, fornicators ( private sector)...public sector ( caught by the sun), who has trimmed his Yorkshire accent for his masters. Eric pickled -onion . Lord of Keighley pies( in your dreams). As the winter closes and the country recovers from Tory financiers.....wait....... for the return of LABOUR.

[nelsonsilk]

David camerons BIG CON

DO NOT BELIVE OR TRUST THESE SNAKES,just research history then some people might realize how thatcher fucked our onece great country over,with over seas trading..now what does england manufacture these days FUCK ALL..fuck of cameron and all the other tools that follow,im not buying your lies,your just the rich helping the rich GET RID OF CONSERVITVIES ALLTOGETHER THEY ARE GOOD FOR NO ONE...

[monkeysidey]

Also i would like to point out to computer solutions that the U.A.E provide us with oil, they buy military equipment from us and also allow us to have a military precence in their country. if we tell them to stop hanging people and to sort out there laws they will do 3 things. 1) kick out BP and Shell 2) stop buying equipment from us thus hurting our economy and 3) stop us from having troops on the ground in that country giving us no footing in the middle east.

[monkeysidey]

Before i say anything alot of people on here have made really good points however i would like to put my point across also and hope it wont be taken as being rude or inconsiderate of others opinions.

Computer solutions has said that the torys want to get rid of the working class but i would like to point out that this is free trade in action buisness's in the uk outsource these jobs because it costs less allowing them to make more money thus growing the british economy.

[nelsonsilk]

computer solutions???

do you work in economics or mathmatics?

doesn`t sound like you do...

[Scampirat]

"i would like to point out that this is free trade in action buisness's in the uk outsource these jobs because it costs less allowing them to make more money thus growing the british economy"

Making the bosses & shareholders "The Rich" richer, putting more British lower income earners on the dole and in doing so allowing bigger bonuses for top earners while the working classes go hungry!

Thank you for a wonderful demonstration of Tory economic policy in action!

[lowestoftbus]

HA You will not get Waveney!!!!!! Bob Blizzard is a hell of a lot better than the weird peter aldous

[lurcherlink]

The words "Eric Pickles" and "war room" in the same sentence are terrifying!

[computersolutions164]

Very true I had not thought about it until you mentioned it.

Maybe the secret plan to flatten the opposition is to roll Eric over them but Ssshh don't tell anyone I told you because it's DC's big secret.

[freatork1]

There's NO "built-in" majority in any constituency, so there's no "built-in" majority in the UK. But if you look on his whiteboard, he's only using figures from England and not the UK. As usual, they're cherry picking the data to make the lie more plausible.

[computersolutions164]

Oh yes there is - at the risk of sounding like a pantomime.

Why do you think the older industries like mining in Wales for example were destroyed. This was done to alter the balance.

Why do you think the entire front bench of the Conservative party are multi-millionaires.

[freatork1]

Percent of total vote in 2005 election.

Labour - 35,2%

Conservative - 32.4%

(Source: British Electoral Commission)

[computersolutions164]

Based on the number of constituencies this is indeed correct.

Now here's something to do on a rainy day, add up all the voters in those said constituencies and work it out by voters.

Then express it as a percentage and see what the result will be. I think you will be surprised

[freatork1]

"Based on the number of constituencies this is indeed correct."

The figures I provided have NOTHING to do with "constituencies." I gave the percentage of the TOTAL number of votes cast at the last general election.

[computersolutions164]

And in June it was also reported that the very same electorial comission had actually got in wrong on voter turnout, so your figures might actually be incorrect

libdemvoice(.)org/jenny-watson­-electoral-commission-15514(.)­html

[computersolutions164]

Ever wondered why the two figures 35.2% and 32.4% are actually quite close, yet the number of MP's is wildly different.

[computersolutions164]

Might I suggest that you type the folowing Phrase into Google

is the electoral system fair

then look at the article labelled "CRUDDAS:" from the Fabian Society of which Bliar was a member

Page 1 7th entry down

[computersolutions164]

Just remember there are 9,000,000 "WORKING CLASS" people in the country who will vote Labour, because they are frightened for their jobs and families. This is your labour majority. The Tories want to get rid of the working class folk that made the country great. Why do you think all the jobs that a working class person would do arenow in India, Singapore, Germany, France etc. There is more to it than meets the eye you know.

[lowestoftbus]

You hit the nail on the head

[computersolutions164]

Thank you

[DeadOriginal]

compsolutions, your points are clear to understand, but why are your comments being neg'd, your wisdom is falling on blind eyes and deaf ears I suspect!

All the LibLabContricksters are working under a mutual banner . Vote for Lib Lab or Con..the "end result" will be the same, a white genocidal agenda.

[DeadOriginal]

Problem is, most of these politicians are unaware of the drive behind them, they may think they are doing the right thing, but their intelligence is limited by their personal greed and ambition, to realise the bigger picture and the evil agenda. The time of redemption has ceased...

They shall recieve their payment..in HELL,

[computersolutions164]

recently I hear a couple of really good ways that define politics

1. you have a left leg and a right leg yet both march in the same direction - says it all really

2. You can vote Labour all you want you will never ever beat the bankers

Just about sums it all up really.

Happy New Year

[DeadOriginal]

cs164 , right or wrong, left or right... makes no odds really, what matters is peoples ability (or lack of) to think on their feet before their legs carry them to the poll booth, thence giving their blessing to the means to their own demise.

Happy New Year .

[computersolutions164]

That of course is also true. You probably have said something quite salient there in that most people cannot think on their feet. I am pleased however that this year we are going to get an open televised debate between all 3 parties like the U.S have been doing for years. That will at least help people to decide and make a more informed choice rather than the doublespeak we usually get. I think that the politicians also know that if they do not deliver the electorate will hold them to account

[DeadOriginal]

compsol164, If we can bear to listen to a tri-segmented televised debate of the main party clowns-in-chief, I'm pretty sure only the erudite amongst us will see the humour/lack of substance poured out. Most people will gravitate to the pre-determined next in line. And if they don't, it scarcely matters... the corrupt tellers will sift strategically through the vote count until we have an Iran style outcome.

[computersolutions164]

Ever also wondered why it is when you phone your bank, you are immediately put through to some wallah in India, with an appalling grasp of the English language. That job should be done here with the appropriately trained people.

Why is this NOT the case then? Of course are higher in a developed country like ours but isn't that what drives an economy ?

Believe me nothing will change under Cameron at all it's all a great big con !

[DumblyBrilliant]

Only the PEOPLE can save Britain now. It will not be done by the so-called "professional classes." They serve only their own self interests. They think that of they just carry on talking they will con everyone the same way they always have. Their problem is that more and more people are seeing through the game. The worm is turning and the word is spreading that voting for any of the main parties is like Turkeys voting for Christmas. Get Britain back for the people! Vote for none of the above.

[computersolutions164]

Absolutely Correct and spot on !

Nice to see someone else who agrees and can see the daftness of it all

[freatork1]

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Paste the above into the youtube search to see why the Conservative Party REALLY haven't "got it in the bag," as a burgular would say.

[computersolutions164]

I did watch and you're right. Both parties are bad as each other.

a) Labour for sending troops into Afghanistan attempting to win an unwinnable and totally pointless war. Even the Russians didn't win when they tried

b)Tory for leaving everything to chance and turning their back on people who need help and just kicking them when they are already down.

They were going to leave the recession "To the markets and let the market decide"

Both as bad as each other so don't vote. i'm not

[freatork1]

"The Labour Party... has an in-built majority."

LIAR!

In EVERY constituency, EVERY voter has the freedom to choose how they vote. NOTHING is built-in.

[computersolutions164]

.....Of course until you take into accoutn of how the country is divided up and when borders were changed historically.

Yes labour does have an in build majority i'm afraid. It is not the individual number of votes cast that make the majority it is the number of constituencies IN WHICH they have a majority which decides who is in power.

But yes you have a free vote, but it won't make the slightest difference at all....

[freatork1]

".....it is the number of constituencies IN WHICH they have a majority which decides who is in power."

But EVERY constituency has a level playing field on election day. You can't say that there's a "built-in majority" for Labour just because Labour recieved the most votes in most of the constituencies at the last election.

[computersolutions164]

If you go back to the history books and look at how the old Kingdoms were divided up. This is why we fought battles.

These were all based on the "Kingdoms" as originally named. the Kingdom of West Mercia for example.

It is these "divisions" that marked out the modern day constituencies and they were originally all affiliated to their "King"

These borders have changed several times and therefore the size and number of the constituencies with them. Hence the built in labour majority

[freatork1]

"....Hence the built in labour majority."

Why "Labour" and not any OTHER party?

[computersolutions164]

Well thats simple too there are more less wealthy people in the country than there are wealthy people.

If you said that anyone earning over say £100,000 per year was wealthy, you can see that in comparison to the number of people earning say £20,000 a year there are not many of them

A normal working person, perhaps in a manual industry say a car maker or miner is probably NOT going to vote Tory, since they will probably move his job abroad and throw him or her out of work.

[computersolutions164]

It all boils down to the ratio of wealthy, depending on how you define the word "WEALTHY" to the number of

ordinary "WORKING CLASS" people.

[computersolutions164]

The other parties do not have enough MP's to make a difference

[computersolutions164]

That's why we need something like "Proportional Representation" which is a lot fairer - Ever wondered why it is so far down the political agenda

[freatork1]

Whichever party wins a majority of constituencies, and thus - the election will win a number of seats in parliament that is disproportionate to the number of votes cast in the whole country. There is NOT an "in-built" majority for any one party. Why don't the Cons put their conference speeches on their channel instead of gloss and LIES?

[computersolutions164]

You might want to read this first before you say that Labour DO NOT have an in built majority

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[computersolutions164]

For example there are 40 constituencies in Wales. Each one has a different number of voters.

As the majority required to gain overall power is based on the number of CONSTITUENCIES taken and NOT the number of voters per sai, you can see the system is fraudulent.

Suppose Labour take 20 Welsh constituencies and Tory take say 20 then you can see an even split.

If you calculate the majority by the number of voters instead of constituencies then you get a different result.

[computersolutions164]

The reason Labour has an built in majority is simple, but it rather depends on how you define the term "RICH" or "WEALTHY", which is different in everyone's view. There is no such thing as a "classless" society.

One thing is certain though there are more working class people in Britain than there are rich people.

Working Class people are more likely to vote Labour than they are Conservative, hence the built in Labour majority.

How many miners do you know who voted for Maggie Thatcher ?

[computersolutions164]

Or to put it another way if there are 5 constituencies A,B,C,D & E

A has 500 voters living in it

B has 50 voters living in it

C has 20 voters living in it

D has 50 voters living in it

E has 600 voters living in it

If the voter turnout were 100% and Labour gained A,B & C thats 570 voters

Conservative gain constituencies D & E thats 650 voters

Yet Labour still win with LESS voters but ONE EXTRA constituency thats how the system is fraudulent

It is NOT representative !

[DumblyBrilliant]

I should not write when I am pissed off I miss so many words...lol. Labour voters are too brainwashed and too thick not to vote. I fear a Labour victory. However, I will vote for any decent independent candidate who stands. I never voted for Blair cos I saw what a con man the shit was. Cameron is just Blair MK.2. Another political robot churned out by his socialist teachers at Uni. I just wish the character "V" was a real person. Remember, remember the 5th of November...

[Rothenbach74]

Wow! This is sobering stuff.

[computersolutions164]

You sound quite young is this your first vote by any chance. My advice is to look, listen and learn and then use itr wisely if you wish to do so.

[computersolutions164]

Remember there are no formal qualifications to be an MP. The not so formal qualifications is that you have to know how to lie convincingly, so people will believe you without question.

Why do you think Jeremy "Paxo" Paxman get so annoyed when MP's always answer his questions with another question.

It is done to hide the truth from the voters, in other words to keep them in a "confused" state - just like sheep, when the sheepdog loses control of the herd.

It's exactly the same

[computersolutions164]

The election is really a two horse race, even though we are given the illususion of a third option. The Liberals will only seize power is if they have enough constituencies AND can FORM a COALITION Government with either Labour or Tory.

Why, well that's simple there are LESS Liberal MP's to start with.

63 Liberal  MP's

195 Conservative MP's

352 Labour MP's

30 Independent MP's

A total of 640 MP's in the House of Commons So you can see that it really is a two horse race

[DumblyBrilliant]

TYhis bloke really pisses me off. I aint his f*****g "chum" and aint mine. Like all politicians he is as deaf as a post and just ignores and our concerns to pursue his own agenda.

Sod the lying, smooth, con artists tories and Labour and the Lib Dem losers too.

Vote for anyone BUT this lot of scum bags.

[computersolutions164]

Or don't vote at all - but well said

[4ntarctic]

So you're suggesting people vote for anybody except one of the major three parties? ie. Vote for parties with no experience of running a country?

[DumblyBrilliant]

Well, take a look where those with "experience" have taken us. The economy is bust. The country is broken. Our kids are dying. Our families have been destroyed by feminist policies. Our schools are teaching kids to be dumb. Traitors have given our country to unelected politicians in the EU. Our politicians have been found theiving. Our police force is corrupt. Our TV stations are nothing but propaganda machines. I think a few without experience could hardly do worse. Don't you?

[computersolutions164]

You are spot on, i'm 43 and I'll tell you this. When I was a kid, spelling was very important at school, and 'O' Level were actually hard and actually taught you something.

A lot of kids, but not all are dumb, just look at the quality of spelling here on You Tube and you will see it's true.

Most kids today don't know how to use an apostrophy. That's why we're now removing them from street signs and being told that they're irrelevant

Sorry but it's True, regardless of which party wins

[computersolutions164]

Assuming you are talking to me,

I am suggesting that we reform the voting and electorial system, so that every party has an EQUAL chance of gaining power.

thisis down to the way the country is divided up as constituencies and borders etc. It has nothing to do with the number of votes whatsoever.

Now ask yourself why both Tory and Labour are happy with the system just the way it is. the reason is simple, it will ALWAYS guarantee that ONE or the OTHER will ALWAYS WIN and election.

LOL

[computersolutions164]

Next time an energetic Peter Snow, (nice chap actually I met him very briefly years ago at Earls Court), appears on Election night and says

"Labour have taken Beradford"

What he means is that the majority ogf the VOTES cast in Bradford were for Labour, regardless of what the remainder voted for.

Now if you added all those remainders from all the constituencies together, I bet the political map would look very different than it does at the moment.

[computersolutions164]

Exactly - well put !

[computersolutions164]

Spot on - Exactly right !

Eric 'The Pickled Onion' Pickles is not my "Chum" either in fact it is actually quite insulting that he thinks we all are, but then he is as deaf as a post and won't listen anyway.

What a pratt !

[computersolutions164]

Exactly right !

Eric 'The Pickled Onion' is not my "chum" either. It is quite insulting for him to think we are, but then he is as deaf as a post and would not listen anyway.

What an utter prat

[Rosie5golf]

reat to hear what we have to do to be successful but, what about us in the South West(Cornwall) who are working our butts off to get our PPC's voted in. We have been successful in gaining power as a Unitary Council and, want to continue now for the main party but, give us a mention please !!! We will rid this County of the Lib Dems.

Terry Wilkins CC MBE (Cornwall Council)

[computersolutions164]

I tend to agree with you Terry - Nick Clegg is a bit of an insipid little man isn't he ?

He reminds me of a cup of cold tea that has been left to stand a while !

[computersolutions164]

Or recently boiled cabbage that has gone cold.....

[computersolutions164]

All you have to do with politics is Join The Dots

It's called "Problem Reaction Solution"

1. The leaders want to implement a plan but know it will be unpopular,

2. They create a "problem", banking crisis for example.

3. We moan at the leaders to solve the problem.

4. Surprise Surprise, They just happen by "chance" to have a ready made solution, which also just happens to be part of the initial plan they wanted in the first place.

That's how it works !

[computersolutions164]

It might also therefore be interesting to look at what business interests Murdoch & cronies have in the region too after all he has a controlling stake in the American GM company Monsanto and CBS News. That's what you never hear anything bad on TV about Monsanto. Now since Murdoch owns The Sun newspaper and he wants Cameron in power, I would say it is a fair bet they have had a quiet chat "Funding and The Middle East" - probably a business deal has already been done. is that morally right - Nah

[computersolutions164]

Also bear in mind that the UK is the olny country that allows a foreign newspaper owner to own more than one newspaper or propaganda machine. Go anywhere else in Europe and you will find that this is illegal. Even the crook Conrad Black only ever owned one newspaper at one time. the newspapers control what you believe and it is all about "control"

[MrGeorgianGustil]

lets crush labour!!! 40 years on since the battle of britain in 2010 this will be the second battle of britain-lets say goodbye to gordon brown!!

[Einy7]

I've been campaigning quite a bit in the past few months, I get the attention of passers by easier because I am young, working that too my advantage!

[computersolutions164]

Oh you're the one this month that's helped the unemployment figures come down then - I see you got the paper round then - well done

[Einy7]

I sense a hint of sarcasm but nevertheless, thank you.

[computersolutions164]

Lol - yep exactly, It's is not just JOBS that need creating, QUALITY JOBS. There are millions of rubbishy jobs, with low pay and no prospects of ever getting anywhere.

Check with local temp agency, why do you think Gordon want to give the same rights to "Temps" & "Employees" - now you watch all the temporary jobs disappear when that happens.

There are lots of jobs that pretend to offer you a career, but no REAL JOBS.

The UK is a service only country now. It's been planned for 60 years

[computersolutions164]

And of course because you are young and working that makes you very very useful to any political party who happens to stand for creating jobs or should I say bringing some of them back from the places that previous Governments have sold them too - to be more accurate

[Einy7]

You are right, I do work. But, not for my the Conservatives. I campaign on behalf of the Conservatives but actually work within London City govt, my job description does not require representation from a political party.

[computersolutions164]

Ahhhh a friend of Boris - I like Boris as a person that is he is very very clever but gives this stage managed illusion of being a right duffer - Say hello to him for me please !

[computersolutions164]

Her makes me laugh whenever I see him on TV. He is totally fearless and does not give a monkey's whether he gets into a political argument with Paxman or not. I think he's brilliant, maybe notp olitically but definitely comedically.

[Einy7]

Ok, you've brought this up so I have to say my bit.

My views do not necessarily represent those of the Conservative party or the Mayor, they are purely my own personal view.

Now that is out the way, how on earth did you know that I "know" Boris?!

[computersolutions164]

It was more of a general comment really I guess that if you work for City of London Authority nad Boris happens to be the City of London Mayor and therefore controls City Hall I was guessing that it might be a fair bet that you might know him, but it was a general more sort of a joke or flippant remark really

[19bob53]

"computersolutions"

Don't be CONNED again by this Mob of control freaks known as the Labour Party - voting anything other than Conservative will bring Mandelson/Brown etc., back to haunt YOU

[computersolutions164]

Both parties are as bad as each other but in different ways

[computersolutions164]

I don't think Mandelsonis going anywhere in a hurry, regardless of who wins for two good reasons:

1 He is a personal friend of Lord Rothschild.

2. He holds 35 cabinet and business positions

Even if DC does win, Mandelson will still be cracking the whip - he is not going to give up that sort of power in a hurry now is he?

The only difference is that he will be doing it from the shadow back benches and not the front benches. still a dangerous bloke though

[19bob53]

Obviously "computersolutions" totally believes the propaganda spouted by NuLie'bour - maybe in a job reliant on Labour staying in office.

This is the THIRD time Labour as totally TRASHED the British economy in my working lifetime and I would not wish this experience on the younger generations who will have the unenviable task of cleaning up Gordon's mess.

[computersolutions164]

Anyone who gets in has got a hell of a job on their hands. I bet you one thing though from a cynics point of view - a prediction for you

"Within 6 months of DC taking power we will have 6 months of prosperity, to cheer us all up before we are clobbered again"

In 6 months time revisit this thread and see if I am right I bet you £5 I'm right.

[mera640]

Irrespective of this video as a business man I and many more voters have had too much of a totally corupt Labour Government. Negative statements about the ability of the Tories to gain power in the 2010 General Election will not help our country. Enough is enough.

[driverannie]

Think positive Eric, Remember back to the Churchill House days when Joan Hall won in Keighley.

[SuperAgr08]

Well said Eric...

Ready When You Are Gordon. Bring it on.

[Spinneygirl]

It could be very difficult, but the impossible has happened before. All we can do is our very best. Money will help, but votes are the most important thing. You have my support.

[computersolutions164]

You could always ask the British Israeli Lobby to increase their contribution

[Rorxz]

Well done you watched dispatches last night. Aren't you clever! Well no...actually you're not because even though you managed to get 'Israeli Lobby' correct (gold star for you my lad even though its not in their title) theres no definitive 'British' lobby - theres several lobbys. So which are you intending to use in your flawed statements (as individuals make contributions usually, not the lobby itself) the labour friends of israel? the conservative friends of israel? FAIL.

[computersolutions164]

Although i don't particularly like being patronised, I will forgive you. You are splitting hairs really at the end of the day you have to ask why Israel / Lobby / Friends of et al - would be giving money to David Cameron. Could it be that Conservatives are likely to have an effect on the Middle East conflict - and before you slap me down again with your ignorance members of my family live and work in the Middle East and KNOW the REAL story not the stuff you hear on the news - which is trash !

[computersolutions164]

Interesting also to note that IRAN HAS SIGNED the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, Israel has refused to do so on every occasion - yet they accuse IRAN of being an agressor, building weapons etc.

I see the words POT, KETTLE & BLACK marching towards me very quickly

[computersolutions164]

Did you know that public hangings OFTEN take place in the U.A.E. They even use cranes to hang people and usually carry this out in the public football stadium. Funny how it rarely gets reported over here isn't it.

As recently as last week it slipped out or was leaked that a young girl was hanged by a crane "for being too promiscuous".

So if DC is prepared to take their money, he must have said something that they wanted to hear, otherwise they would not be funding him.

They're not stupid.

[MikeOD1888]

First things first, Eric .... go on a diet.

Second, keep it simple...... !

Third, People follow leaders..... Cameron must get off that bike and get in a chauffeur driven car.

[computersolutions164]

4th Eric should stop doing an impersonation of a pickled onion

[computersolutions164]

Rothschild / Morgan / Sachs who own or the banks including the Bank of England created the current problems facing the economy. The Bank of England is a PRIVATE COMPANY, Look up BOEN at Companies House it is also protected by Royal Charter so that you can't see their accounts.The Rothschilds are reportedly worth 500 trillion and yet we are all paying for the problem they created.

The Bank Bailout would be Small change to them surely !!!

Question why don't they pay for it then ?

[VetBusinessBriefing]

Then why make the task much more difficult by somehow pretending that the European issue can be put on hold until the economy is sorted out. All my life I have been an enthusiastic, committed conservative. Not now - I believe millions of Tories like me would rediscover our enthusiasm if DC promised an EU debate - in or out - in year 1 of a new administration.

[computersolutions164]

Well said - Just think if we did not pay our membership all that lovely dosh that the sprouts would not get and that we could use for our Hospitals, Schools, Unemployed, Elderly etc etc.

If I did not pay my Television licence or Council Tax I would be thrown in jail. the logic is the same. We are paying for that "wart" in Europe we call the E.U - We are an island and should stay one

Look after No. 1. and let everyone else take care of themselves.

[computersolutions164]

What is there to debate exactly Vaclav Klaus eventually signed he was the Tories last hope of a referendum. It is NOT going happen happen as it would not prove anything anymore and would have no effect whatsoever. it's pointless. DC should NOT have promised it, obviously he was not as close to Mr Klaus as he thought.

[VetBusinessBriefing]

Of course it's too late for a referendum on the treaty - but long overdue for a vote on the UK's relationship with a corrupt, undemocratic, bloated organisation which takes no account of the views of the population is pretends to serve.

[computersolutions164]

Do you honestly think a vote would make one iota of difference? You said it yourself they are all corrupt in the E.U.

Do you think they actually give damn whether we have a vote on this issue or not. Remember what Lord Acton said....

"Power Tends To Corrupt And Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

How many pensions does Neil Kinnock have 17 isn't it ? He hopped the EU Gravy Train then

or as the saying goes:

"The working class can kiss my arse, I've got the foreman's job at last"

[engineroomapocalypse]

We've got to get a better electoral system going Labour remianing in power when more people voted for the Tories is anti democratic. Blood has been spilled for less

[computersolutions164]

David Cameron will probably win the election, due to the way people feel now.But his majority will be nothing like Blair's was in 1997. This leads me to believe that parties such as the BNP & Greens & UKIP will all do very well come the election. As the Express reported on the 4th October:

If the parties are level in vote share then Labour will be the largest party.

This is due to the way the UK is divided up into constituencies and population density & not the number of votes cast.

[MrsJane1963]

Count me in as one of the team to rescue this country from this abysmal Government. Hard work can do it.

[computersolutions164]

You seriously think so you poor deluded soul, the Israelis are funding David Cameron, along with a few small company bosses who are wanted for tax evasion and fraud. I believe one used to be his tennis partner. The whole shooting match is fraudulent.

[computersolutions164]

.....Or we could always chops the legs off some of the labour voters in the larger constituencies, so they could not get to the polling station to vote.......He He

Thats would do DC's majority a power of good - LOL

[computersolutions164]

As the satirical rag Private Eye, when they had a picture of Cameron & Brown on the front cover

"Worlds first face transplant a success !"

In other words the airline might change but the flight plan and destination remain the same. Wake up we're going to the same destination, but with a different pilot. It doesn't matter who you vote for or even if you vote, the result will be the same. The same people control both parties Rothschild / Morgan & Co.

[hawkwellhead]

thankyou for making the task ahead clear Eric, I for one shall work hard to end the dark days of this grotty Government.

[computersolutions164]

I don't know about Eric Pickles - more like Pickled Brainwashing I would say.

[computersolutions164]

Unless I am missing your very good satire and sarcasm, I guess you think that a Government formed by Mr Cameron will be "Whiter Than White, With A Hint of Bluuey Whiteness" then that only Daz can provide. It really is the difference between Daz, Ariel & Bold.

All of them will eventually bugger up your washing machine, although some will do it more slowly than others

[Rorxz]

so to be fair its funny how your using that but neglecting that the labour party also have a friends of israel lobby

[gregorioallegri]

Why does the 'Israel lobby' come into it anyway?

[Rorxz]

LOL yeah exactly my point...bizarre comment really

[computersolutions164]

Do your research and find the connections yourself

[Rorxz]

I have and I always will. There's nothing innocent about the other side either. Maybe while your at it you can convince Hamas to stop being holed up in cities and using civilian deaths to play to the west. Anyway why are you talking garbage in this video? Take your hate-mongering elsewhere.

[computersolutions164]

Israel is definitely the worse of the two. They have more money from the Yanks & British. They basically want all Palestinians dead, it's that simple.

I saw an interesting video here the other day for a fund raiser. The advert showed a Hamas rocket hitting Israel and exploding. looking a little closer one realizes that the explosion was a CGI effect. - in other words a hoax to fool the West so they will give money to the cause without thinking. Now why would DC be so interested in this place.

[computersolutions164]

I don't hate anything or anyone. I just do not see any point in voting for the same shit coming out of a different arsehole for the next 5 years, but then I have done my research diligently fully and thoroughly and can prove it. I am a bit above the corruption of the voting system we have in the UK

[239jake]

I myself in person am an ordinary working man. I usually confine such language used in this item; to the shop floor out of any sensory reach of children and the ladies. I have assumed you are not Tory!!!

[computersolutions164]

Well I would not describe myself as Tory or Labour. Both parties have good and bad points.

Problem is that BOTH parties have many more bad points than they do good points, because of the people who control them.

We have already seen that both parties get significant funding from the Middle East, so therefore they are not different at all are they ?

It's purely an illusion of difference which is stage managed. If you don't like the language here don't let you kids see this thread simple !

[239jake]

Obviously no standards. A very lively imagination. Not Tory.

[computersolutions164]

Imagination what are you talking about everything I have said is established fact and has been for many years.

The fact that it has been deliberately hidden from you is not my problem, neither is the fact that you will go along with what you are told without bothering to question any of it.

You are right yes I do have the imagination to ask and then question. It is better than being a sheep and yes actually I do have very high standards but then what have standards got to do this.

[computersolutions164]

When I watched Question Time (Lynch Mob) edition.

The only disgusting behaviour I saw was from both Conservative and Labour, while "Nasty Nick Griffin", remained silent and actually very well behaved, He was merely saying what a lot of us actually think.

So what do you mean when you say that I have no standards then?

I presume only Tories are allowed to have standards then are they ?

[239jake]

Hi, In my day the absence of explietives usually implied sound vocabulary and respect for all. Surely debate should be undertaken without recourse to foul language??Those Standards!!!

[computersolutions164]

The use of an expletive can be used to draw attention. Of course when I was at school had I sworn at a teacher, no doubt I would have been caned. They should bring it back too

I boarded at a public school on a termly basis, that's where I was taught respect for others which has nothing to to with language at all.

It is the Black American culture that is directly responsible for this, why do you think Jack Straw banned the rapper "50 Cent" from appearing here with "P-Diddy" ?

[computersolutions164]

When the last Tory Government became unpopular, Rupert Murdoch switched his support away from Tory to Labour and Tony Bliar won the 1997 election.

Now a couple of months back Murdoch again switched his support away from Labour to Tory.

If you remember a couple of months ago Labour were fuming when this was announced Brown was having a crisis over it

So therefore it'd be fair to say that it is MEDIA or more exactly MURDOCH who decides who'll the next..

Otherwise why was Brown so worried.

[computersolutions164]

If you had researched it then you would know exactly what I mean wouldn't you ?

[Rorxz]

I stopped replying because I realised you're past the point of delusion. So don't try to tempt me to argue back because you won't succeed.

[computersolutions164]

I am not arguing or tempting you to do anything. I am merely having a thoroughly researched, reasoned, rational and intelligent debate. I am not knocking anyone either. People will believe what they are told to believe. The fact that it might not be true does not mean a thing, but hey thats life

[Rorxz]

Like your own disguised anti-semitism.

[computersolutions164]

Idiot - how can I be Anti-Semitic when I am bloody Jewish on my mothers side. You really do not understand anything do you otherwise you would not have made such a comment. However I am not a zionist - look it up !

[computersolutions164]

Do your research, go there and see for yourself why the politicians think Israel is important. Israel basically controls the planet and if they want a particular leader in power because it will further there cause - kill more Palestinians etc then by george they will make sure he gets elected. Not your vote, my lack of a vote or anyone else's vote for that matter. They will have in power who they want in power. Do your research I have been for years.

[computersolutions164]

I absolutely agree with you of course they do. Have you not asked a very simple question which should be as follows

"What on earth are our political parties doing obtaining money from Israel?"

Might it be that Israel is nation that really controls the planet and kills countless thousands of innocent people with fraudulent claims and lots of propaganda

[Rorxz]

Maybe its that atleast Israelis know what to do with their money - not squander it. Israel is a democracy, a western implemented and funded democracy so obviously its going to be supported by British political parties. The money is a two way system, and theres plenty of other lobbying groups the political parties could gain their money from.

[computersolutions164]

On a very very very superficial you might be right. I am half Jewish myself on my mothers side - Now here is a larger spade, go and research EXACTLY why our "leaders" are so interested in the self proclaimed state 'goody goody' of Israel, that was bombed into existence by terrorists in 1948., Why is it whenever the BBC says anything against Israel it is branded as anti-semitic and gets bombarded with emails from the British Israeli Lobby. Can't all be coincidence surely - there's more to it !

[ollykendall1]

Those England-only stats from '05 GE are damning of way our voting system prejudices the opposition - reform of our system would address that, returning a number of MPs that reflects % vote each party gets.

Unfortunately, the Conservatives have no interest in even a review of first past the post - a shame, given the political disconnect between SW1 & joe voter.

Making people feel their vote counted would go a long way to restoring confidence, interest and relevance in Brit politics.

[MikeOD1888]

To win the next election you must focus on Maggie's principles. Hard working people can make a difference and will make a difference if they vote Conservative. Lay about Labour has crippled this country and about time the hard working majority had a voice.

[computersolutions164]

When she goes to the "Great Debate" in the sky I for one will be dancing on her grave. I might even hold a party. She destroyed the North of England, while stockpiling Polish coal, with the help of Evelyn Rothschild and co so the lights would not go out if you check the facts you'll see it's true. what a crook. What was it she said when Blair took over

"They have chosen the right man for the job"

FACT: and a very telling comment if you read between the lines. voting has nothing to do with it.

[computersolutions164]

You mean the principles of taking the school milk off the children when she was Education Minister, I remember that.

Then there is throwing hard working people on the scrap heap, I remember that too.

Selling off most of the public utilities, for shareholder interest rather than a public service.

Then she destroyed the unions so that your average working man could not stand up for their rights in an industrial dispute.

The Poll Tax

All good progressive policies then - NOT !!!!!!

[gregorioallegri]

Yeah, because 'progressive' policies have really worked well, haven't they?

[computersolutions164]

Errr.........No actually they have not - you have a bigger divide now between rich and poor than you have ever had in the past. All the things that made this country great have been sold at bargain basement prices to India China Russia & Germany This is why for example the Germans now own our Electrical Supply (Eon), and our hospital administrators send letters to India to be typed. Great for their economies, disaster for ours though - oh yeah definitely progressive alright as in down the toilet

[gregorioallegri]

You haven't quite got this sarcasm lark yet, have you?

The gap is of course measured on the Gini Index which is so flawed anything it says in an ideal world would matter about as much as a fart in a blizzard (not that the gap really matters anyway).

[computersolutions164]

Lol - Well I do get it I was just being sure if you were actually being sarcastic or whether you actually meant it - lol

[computersolutions164]

The truth is voting Conservative is only good if you have plenty of money and are filthy rich.

Think about it remember Mr. Cameron is sitting on a 1,000,000 inheritance, when Mummy & Daddy eventually die.

This is why he can AFFORD to shout his mouth off at what he thinks is good for the rest of us.

He can AFFORD to not because he believes it. He has a rich mummy & Daddy who could AFFORD to send him to Eton -

Wake up people please.

SIMPLY DON'T VOTE - THAT'S THE ANSWER

[mera640]

Absolute rubbish... If these idiots remain in power another 5 years then we will not be a third rate nation we will be in serious trouble. Have you been alive this past three years when our country has been mismanaged to the point of lunacy.

[computersolutions164]

I think you are missing my point I DISLIKE ALL OF THE THREE PARTIES EQUALLY. That is why I do not vote. I don't like Labour either but I dislike Conservative too.

Which bit do you think is rubbish. I would be happy to back up ALL & EVERYTHING I have said here - every last piece. i'm a researcher and can PROVE everything.

i'm also 43 years old and can remember PRECISELY what monsterous Maggie did last time around. It'll be the same nothing changes, you just wait and see.

[gregorioallegri]

Past 13 years, actually. Gordon has been buggering the economy right from 1997.

[computersolutions164]

Well it gives the Tories a rest from creating exactly the same problems just in a different way. After 13 years of Cameron people will be say exactly the same. This is the same bloke who wants to bring back fox hunting - a definitively upper class, toff sport - tally ho' chaps.