More than double the speed of AMTRAK's long distance trains (that includes California's AMTRAK) with a fix that improves the freight rail system. What is needed is two sets of track, one for each direction. Presently almost all of AMTRAK's long distance routes are a single track with two-way traffic. That one track with two-way traffic forces the average traffic speed down to about 25mph for all the starting and stopping required to get on-coming trains past each other.
The GOP won't allow anything good to happen with President Obama in charge. That's why Faux News is helping cock block any infrastructure/jobs bill. We need to point this out as often as we can.
yes and yes....on a different note can you please stop making your pitch going up at the end of your sentences? it sounds like your asking a question every sentence, its very annoying. just a small dig, I generally relly enjoy your videos.
High speed rail would be around 150 mph not 100 mph, it would be comparable to high speed rail in Europe and would create jobs, take 1000's of cars off congested roads and help the planet, so I just can't get my head around why Americans are so against progression, they lag behind Europe by deckads when it comes to transport.
@southern4501isawesom So creating millions of construction jobs and more than doubling the speed of the average train is a big waste of money. I'll boost commerce and increase the chance of getting a job. the high speed rail reaches 155mph not a 100mph
Obama could walk on water and it wouldn't matter; I'm with Jimmy Carter and Jesse Jackson. They protest so much against every breath the President takes, it certainly seems like racism is at the bottom of it all.
no high speed rail isnt important obama just wants to waste money AGAIN!!!!!! the average amtrak train moves from 50-60+ mph so 100 mph wouldnt be much faster.. so its a big waste of money.
@southern4501isawesom Hence the reason it would be a high speed rail line, it would be purpose built for speed as in Japan, China, Europe, it seems that America is determined to stay in the dark ages when it comes to transport.
I live in Corcoran and I hate this high speed rail! It's the worst time for it. Good idea wrong time. The country's broke! We get back on our feet, then we can talk about a train.
This project will actually bring a few positive changes.
One being more jobs will be created for the duration of the project, and creates more jobs once the the system is complete as they will need staff to run and maintain the rails.
The second being that once the rail system is complete it will reduce the traffic and generate revenue for the state.
Thirdly the high speed rail will make stimulate the economy since more methods of transportation within the state.
yeah, we need to spend untold BILLIONS of dollars right now. if they say it costs 50 billion it'll cost 80 billion in the end cause they don't factor in the kickbacks and bribes in the original estimate. stupid money printing, greedy, America hating liberals!
yeah, we need to spend untold BILLIONS of dollars right now. if they say it costs 50 billion it'll cost 80 billion in the end cause they don't factor in the kickbacks and bribes in the original estimate. stupid money printing, greedy, America hating liberals!
The point of this video isn't about trains or spending. The point is to demonstrate how biased FOX news is which is very obvious. The news is supposed to tell you both sides of the story, not sway your opinion. If you can seriously explain how story is unbiased please do.
@mealloveryou You conservatives hate America. You people are the first to reject any federal funds use to help the American people or to catch up with the rest of the industrialized world, but have no problem goin to wars to make Exxon and Halliburton CEOs profit. Layoff the corporate propaganda!!!!!!
FOX NEWS IS FIXED NEWS.........I used to watch Fox News and CNN but you are better off without either one......They both serve separate MASTERS.....High speed rail is a HECK of a good idea, but ignorant people wont see it until it is way too late......When petroleum reaches 150 to 200 dollars per gallon then we will all scream bloody murder in favor of trains....
THIS DAY IS COMING FAST......HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY RESISTS CHANGE ! !
THEY SAID THAT THE WRIGHT BROTHERS WERE A COUPLE OF NUTS !
@asfairsoftcal Wow! How can you be so misguided at what I assume is a young age? How does not wasting trillions on high speed rail keep you down? How do they continue the power sucking (?) because of HSR, or the lack there of? What does drinking coffee have to do with politics? Finally, How is employment taking advantage of you?
California government selling off jobs to China by purchasing Chinese HSR train. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate of CA is 12%. At the end, we found out Chinese trains are garbage. Nobody wants to ride the death train.
Come to Chicago and look at the "high speed" rail and see just how inefficient it really is. Trains pass through daily with few or no passengers. How efficient is that? Stop wasting our money on mass transportation that people don't want!
OUR FLORIDA GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT LIED ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL.....He fumbled with the numbers so that he and the oil companies would get their way.....The mentality of the American people is pro-automobile.......One day we will realize how wrong we are, hopefully not too late.......Hopefully California will build their train......It will be the showcase of HSR.......
There were 2 private groups of investors ready to assume the state portion of costs on this line, but they never got the chance because the governor killed the project without even taking bids!
THIS IS NOT SPAM - Slowly, people ARE starting to realize what Fox and other media outlets are all about... It's time for the News to be News again. 3 part solution: 1. Every channel must provide a 1 hour News program WITHOUT COMMERCIALS. 2. News programs should not be rated by any Ratings system. 3. All News Channels live by the same rules, but are "Pay TV" for revenues as opposed to advertising.
I rode a train as a form of daily public transportation for the first time even in Washington DC. I would LOVE to have a train system down where I live. It would remove a lot of traffic and thus decrease our carbon footprint.
I would be glad to see high speed rail make its way to the northeast. Connecting st. louis all the way to boston would be excellent. All areas of business would benefit. Hopefully fox doesn't kill the Cali project so we don't get it here.
FOX NEWS IS THE TEA PARTY NEWS......And the Tea Party hates high speed rail under the excuse that it is tax payer's money.......But the Tea Party NEVER mentions the BILLIONS of tax subsidies that went to the Interstate Highways Act of 1956, or how the age of cheap gasoline is over forever.....
Those Tea Party people must be mixing something into their tea......High speed rail is the transportation of the future.......AND NO Tea Party : We are not a bunch of socialists....WE ARE AMERICANS !
@sierracuban Calm down Karl, you don't know what youre talking about. Exactly how is HSR the transportation of the future? Nobody complains about IHS because most people use it. If hsr would be soooo great then Amtrack would at least be moderatley successfull right? Hitch your lefty wagon to a different star, this one is a loser....
@lta6494 BUT YOU SEE MY FRIEND, AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE AT MODERN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, AND IT WAS GENERAL MOTORS WHO STARTED THE PROCESS OF SHUTTING DOWN OUR URBAN TRAIN AND TROLLEY SYSTEMS BACK IN 1921......HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THIS ?? DOES THE NAME ALFRED P. SLOAN JR. RING A BELL ??
AND WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME SOMEONE CRITICIZES CORPORATE CRIMINALS HE IS LABELED A LEFTIST ?? OTHER TIMES PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME A RIGHT WING NUT.....THAT'S CRAZY.
@sierracuban Let's see..you don't like tea party's, and you like hsr (which will require trillions in big governemnt union contracts), and you dislike "corporations"...Why would I assume you were a progressive liberal? Amtrack is completely relevant and it is a disaster, I am all for mass transit where it works but we don't need "railways to nowhere" across the country. Why is that so hard to understand? At the end of the day it's still RR ok? stop telling people they don't understand trains!
@lta6494 I HAVE BEEN TO 3 TEA PARTY DEMONSTRATIONS HERE IN MIAMI AGAINST OBAMA, BUT I PROBABLY WONT GO TO ANYMORE........SOME ELEMENTS THERE ARE KOOKS.....THE THING ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL IS THAT NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU ARE IN, IT IS COMING......$ 150 TO $200 PER BARREL PETROLEUM WILL BRING HIGH SPEED TRAINS AS BEES TO HONEY......IT IS INEVITABLE......IT WILL BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO FLY IN THE YEAR 2020 TO 2030.....ONLY THE VERY RICH WILL FLY....YOU WILL SEE IT..
@lta6494 "If hsr would be soooo great then Amtrack would at least be moderatley successfull right?"
No, because, as I have already explained, Amtrak and HSR are not the same thing. Amtrak does have somewhat of a HSR train called the Acela Express in the NE Corridor. It's not true HSR, but it is still quite successful. It's capturing over half of the ridership market between the major cities on the corridor, and is earning money.
@lta6494 So then what would you say about the Interstate Highway System? Or many of the major airports in the country? Or a lot of infrastructure projects in the U.S.? Sure they may be built by private companies through a subcontract, but the source of the money to pay for these important projects is usually public.
Slowly, people ARE starting to realize what Fox and other media outlets are all about... It's time for the News to be News again. 3 part solution: 1. Every channel must provide a 1 hour News program WITHOUT COMMERCIALS. 2. News programs should not be rated by any Ratings system. 3. All News Channels live by the same rules, but are "Pay TV" for revenues as opposed to advertising.
High speed rail has worked for Japan which has to deal with a lot of the issues with California. In addition, it is safer and reduces waste while increasing tourism because people want to be able to be able to travel to a place for a day or a couple of days and this high speed rail line allows for people to travel farther. Think about it, if you lived in a state like Ohio or Nebraska or Kansas and you could visit a sunny place like California for a day or more and it only took you thre
@grover9559 THAT'S TRUE.......I have a cousin who worked for the D.E.A .who calls FOX NEWS, FIXED NEWS.......He was a well known WHISLE BLOWER who exposed U.S. government LIES and sued the Feds and won......Look up Sandalio Gonzalez......Look my friend, the TRUTH hurts like hell......Our nation is no longer free....That nation is gone.....I remember life in California in 1963, and this is not even close....High speed rail has lots of CORPORATE CRIMINALS against it.....CM González, Miami. FL
As a person who lived in America for 3 years, I agree with Obama. The Public transport and infrastructure is not the best in the developed world. But the Republican I really not acknowledging the fact that some parts of continental U.S.A can only be well-accessed with efficient rail road systems and improvements on the Highway that are crucial to the economy.
@Exli3r As a person who has lived here 40 years: Move back, we have enough bleeding heart socialists here already. Has anyone considered the fact that HSR is sooo popular in Europe because gasoline is 9 dollars a gallon?
@Exli3r Now I feel bad because I was being a jerk...sorry.
I like trains I just don't like wasting govt. money, HSR seems like it would be a good idea but since liberals and progs want it so much it makes me nervous, cause they love to spend OPM!
@lta6494 I understand what you mean, and I wasn't offend mind you. There is a concern about the deficit and budget cuts before I felt in January that all the rage. But as far as I see public spending in Education, Health Care and infrastructure are beneficial investments that are needed for economical growth and development. Who knows it might create jobs in the public and private sector.
@Exli3r You are correct, but the people who want it (single payer health care, massive spending projects like HSR, etc...) so badly in this country want it so that they can control it.
The jobs that the maintenance facility in Hanford (a few miles north of Corcoran on the path of the railway) will bring lots of PERMANENT jobs to an area that has some of the worst unemployment in the state. I also don't like Faux News essentially calling the place I grew up in (which is responsible for a HUGE portion of the agriculture in the country) nowhere. Gotta love 'em!
First...fuck yes on the high speed rail. That shit is awesome, and I am so happy the US is finally moving towards the future. We need to push as hard as we can to advance ourselves as humans.
Being the anti-statist that I am, I of course think removing the necrotic body part that is federal government, is the only real first step. But it does please me that atleast something good is coming from the ridiculous amounts of money we spend. Good of CA on getting the HSR.
@PaperSoapy My point is that there is much more to HSR then is reported and professed by progressive's. I think a human mission to mars would do more for the species than to hand trillions of dollars over to their union pals. Make no mistake that is what Progs want is government control of it and 100% union labor to build and run it. No thanks
Do these Republicans realize the logical fallacies, dodge tactics, close minded arguments, and ignorance involved with their agenda? If you need to silence the other side of the argument and broadcast biased and censored news, don't you think you're wrong? Obama is a brilliant President who wholeheartedly wants to improve America where it matters: THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
@Rainbowsixoperator1 You are right about everything Obama is. You just left out the fact that he is a complete failure as president. He has even alienated his base by breaking almost every promise he made to them. Here is an argument that is not dodgey, close minded, or ignorant: Employment and overall consumer confidence will stay depressed untill there is demand, and Obama has proposed NOTHING that would cause businesses or consumers to start spending/producing/investing. Sorry no rainbow :(
@lta6494 Remember the impossible and therefore equally failed promises McCain campaigned with? The guy didn't even know basic economics. Obama IS the man for this country. His ideals and intentions are the purest. Obama has done a lot to bend the economic state back to a positive slope. His plan: Improve the infrastructure which creates massive amounts of jobs. Engineers, road workers, transit jobs, educators, and more. Lets not forget that Obama helped lower YOUR taxes, the middle class.
@SSJ3Ulcer Exactly. Even in Canada we have crappy infrastructure. in 2000 an overpass in Laval, Quebec collapsed onto traffic, killing 5 people and injuring six others. It was old and decrepit.
Also, our "lovely" conservative government is planning to close down a very important Coast Guard station in Newfoundland. BUT they cherrfully spent hundreds of millions on the G8 summit!!!
Yes, it is just more GOP propaganda. What many in the US don't know, is that in European countries like Denmark it is illegal to lie or mislead on the news. Canada has the Radio Act which states the same. In addition, Canada's conservative part PM wants to make it legal to lie on news. This shows that conservatives need to lie to stay in power.
A mere slanderous branding that shows it is evident you cant dig up real dirt on it. Besides, even if it was leftist (its neutral), it wouldnt necacarily be bad. It would mean it probably is, and could be labeled as bad with indipendent scruitiny.
"It is a union "slush" fund to pay lazy assholes"
Its a constrution project. Are you fucking retarded?
Besides, there are unions in the postal service, should we shut down the postal service then?
"who will stand around wasting money on a project that will come in insanely over budget."
Just like the war in iraq then. Besides, do you have an expert opinion saying it will be over budget, cause I dont know what makes your opinion so verifiable.
"NOBODY RIDES RAIL HERE!"
Actually, millions ride it every day. Its called the subway. There is a reason people dont use the train for long distance travel: its slow as fuck.
You are holding america back by being a cheap ass.
@boonw play fare lefty.....you know I was not talking about light rail.
If it works and is a great idea then let the private market do it. Or wait, I forgot "corporations" are evil, anything "good" has to be done by the government. Grow up.
I am not retarded btw, I just don't have stars in my eyes like all you brain dead lib douchebags.
"If it works and is a great idea then let the private market do it"
Yeah, tell a company to put billions into a construction project. I dont think you'll find a company that will do that. Doing a construction project that costs a billion is very rare.
"I forgot "corporations" are evil, anything "good" has to be done by the government. "
Actually, I dont believe that. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a far lefty. I am a centrist and quite like corporations (generally).
@boonw Sorry I thought anyone that commited to this idea would be a prog. When I think of HSR in practice i can't help but think of Amtrack. Seriously am I wrong? How would it be something other than a financial burden on the other 48 states that would never ride it. Did amtrack get rid of anyother form of transportation? The proposal form Tampa to Orlando, for instance, who exactly would ride that? it's 2 hours by car. I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR
@lta6494 "I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR."
That's a very stupid way of thinking. That's like saying I'm German. The NSDAP originated from Germany, so I must be a part of the NSDAP. I'm neither German or a part of the NSDAP.
"When I think of HSR in practice i can't help but think of Amtrack. Seriously am I wrong?"
You betcha' you are! First, HSR is a type of transportation system. Amtrack is a federally owned corporation. They are not the same
@lta6494 thing. Second, the closest thing that Amtrack has to HSR is the Acela Express on the Northeast Corridor. The Acela Express runs on track that is shared by local trains and was not designed for operating speeds of 300km/hr or higher. A lot of that track was upgraded and electrified by the former Pennsylvania Railroad in the 1930s. That was a time when K4s and GG1s ran, not N700s or AGVs. HSR tracks cannot have a corner radius of less than 2500m these on the mainline these days.
@th3gtr0 Amtrack is a transportation system wether it is owned by uncle sam or not. I realize there are differences in the types of rail now vs. HSR, but so what? Who is going to ride HSR in the future, when they dont ride rail currently? I believe that HSR will be at least 50% local, state, or fed subsidized, which is why the Amtrack example is relevant. I dont believe your interstate cost numbers. I would change my mind if I saw the figures (real figures, not Media Matters type figures)
@lta6494 "Who is going to ride HSR in the future, when they dont ride rail currently?" I've already answered that question to you. I can repost it if you like.
"I believe that HSR will be at least 50% local, state, or fed subsidized, which is why the Amtrack example is relevant." Not quite. HSR around the world pays for its own operating costs. Two lines in the world - the Tokaido Shinkansen and the Paris-Lyon LGV - has payed off their building costs. Amtrak requires subsidies for building
@th3gtr0 HOW ON EARTH could you possibly even compare high speed rail with the dinosaurs which I have ridden on Amtrak ???? We took the Amtrak from Miami to Savanna, Georgia in 2008 to see our son graduate from the Marines in Parris Island, S.C. and it took us about 12 hours.....One of Red China's trains would have done that in 3 hours.......PLEASE do your research......We Americans have been BRAINWASHED by General Motors and Firestone ( and Allstate car insurance ) into HATING trains.
@sierracuban "HOW ON EARTH could you possibly even compare high speed rail with the dinosaurs which I have ridden on Amtrak ???? . . . PLEASE do your research......We Americans have been BRAINWASHED by General Motors and Firestone ( and Allstate car insurance ) into HATING trains."
Well, first of all, Amtrak does have a high-speed service called the Acela Express running on the Northeast Corridor. It is supposed to be the successor to the old Metroliner service started by the former
@sierracuban Pennsylvania Railroad way back in the late 1960's. Using Budd EMU cars, it provided 150mph service between New York and WashDC in three hours. The Metroliner was plagued with reliability issues and its DC current motors also presented a problem when it tried to reach higher speeds. The Budd EMUs were taken out of service in the 1980s and were replaced by Amfleets hauled by AEM7 locomotives. Notice that the AEM7 locomotives were derived from a Swedish locomotive design-a sign
@sierracuban of the demise of the American rail industry. Anyway, the Metroliner was taken out of service in 2006. In 2000, the Acela Express began service and boasted basically the same service that the Budd EMU trainsets of 30 years prior offered. There are many problems about calling the Acela Express a true HSR service. First of all, the Acela Express runs on track shared by other local and NJT commuter trains. You can't run frequent service at high speeds with a bunch of other slower
@sierracuban trains on the same line. Second, the route that the Acela runs on is track laid in the 1930s when the Pennsylvania Railroad undertook a massive modernization project on its most travelled lines. Notice that the PRR did this during a time when the country's, as well as the worlds', economy were struggling. This was a time when GG1s and K4s were still rolling down the main lines. The line wasn't built for high speeds that trainsets can reach nowadays. To have a true high speed
@sierracuban rail system, you need to build a dedicated line. The line has to be grade-separate from roads and highways, and needs many tunnels, bridges, and viaducts to provide a right-of-way of low gradients. There are others things that you can do to improve average speeds of trains and frequency of service. Let's look at the Tokaido Shinkansen in Japan that began service in October 1964 between Osaka and Tokyo to relieve the congestion on the Tokaido Main Line running between the two
@sierracuban cities for an example. While the line has all the things I've already listed, it also has passing sidings at every station to allow expresses to pass by frequent-stop trains on the line, minimum corner radii of 2500 meters, and EMU trainsets that are powered by a stable, high-voltage power source. The standard around the world seems to be 25kV 60Hz. These are things that the Acela Express does not have and, therefore, cannot be considered a true HSR service.
@sierracuban We Americans have not been brainwashed, but we've gotten so used to using cars all the time that we cannot imagine using anything else for mass transit. Did you know that most major American cities used to have extensive light-rail systems in the early 20th century? And guess which city has the largest? That's right, Los Angeles, California. But a group of companies called General Motors, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Truck formed
@th3gtr0 YES INDEED....I read about that.....A fellow by the name of ALFRED P. SLOAN JR. who was the CEO of General Motors conspired back in the year 1921 to shut down all rail trolley lines...He started National City Lines as a DISGUISE to destroy our mass transit system.....Funny how the Tea Party NEVER mentions that...They never tell stories of CORPORATE CRIMES...I grew up in a town that suffered this CRIME....It HAD a great trolley system until 1962....It is called Huntington Park, Calif.
@sierracuban formed their own company called National City Lines. National City Lines bought up all these light-rail systems in cities all across America and either ended service or brought it down to a level so bad that people began to drive or use buses instead. (Mack Truck also made buses). Can you say illegal business practices? Of course, because this is America, almost everything is corporate controlled, including the news agencies. This is why I don't really like to get my news
@sierracuban news from big names like Fox, CNN, or NBC. They're most likely going to air news that is beneficial to whoever is sponsoring them(corporations). Anyway, back to National City Lines. The companies were found guilty of conspiracy and were fined an amount so small it's pathetic. I wonder why? Perhaps it's because politicians and Supreme Court judges are also practically "bought"(political contributions) by the corporations. Mark Hanna, a former US Senator in the late-19th
@sierracuban century, once said, "There are two things that are important in politics. The first is money, and I can't remember what the second one is." It's like these huge financial banks getting fined hundreds of millions of dollars every couple of years for practicing bad business. Again, these corporations make way more than they get fined and nobody at the top gets arrested because the companies themselves, not the people who run them, are the ones who get fined.
@sierracuban Quite a punishment, huh? So by the time the 1930s ran around, the light-rail systems were gone. Well, except the Key System in the SF Bay Area. That stayed until the 1950s. The Interstate Highway Act of 1956 didn't help the railroads either. The railroads declined even further until the bankruptcy of Penn Central in 1971. Finally, Congress listened and created Conrail and American Track (Amtrak). By then, it was too late for private passenger railroads.
@sierracuban Today, Conrail is owned by two Class 1 freight railroads, CSX and NS. Amtrak still remains the federally owned corporation that operates passenger trains on track that is owned and maintained by freight railroads. So you wonder why car nuts say that rail is bad? Personally, I support the reemergence of passenger rail in the United States. But, things have changed since the 1950s. People want things to be faster and more convenient. For heavily travelled corridors of
@sierracuban distances between 100-600 miles, that's where HSR comes in. I don't understand how you concluded that I hate rail when I have been supporting rail in all of my comments for this video. I find the comment "PLEASE do your research" very insulting because I have been researching high-speed rail systems for the past year now.
@sierracuban Also, China is not a very good example to go by when it comes to high-speed rail. Sure we here about China already having built 5,000 miles of HSR lines, and planning to have a vast 4 North to South and 4 East to West network of about 20,000 miles by 2020, but this is China. A lot of companies are state-owned over there. There's so much corruption over there and the rapid rate of building makes me wonder if they performed Environmental Impact and Financial Feasibility Studies
@sierracuban beforehand. Environmental Impact Studies are important, not only for the environment, but also for residents who will leave adjacent to the lines. There have been reports of residents in Tokyo who are bothered by the noise and vibrations of passing trains. This report was from the 1980s, so I'm sure they've solved the problems by now. But to avoid having to deal with these kinds of problems later, environmental impact studies are done.
@grover9559 OF COURSE IT IS.......The highway lobby and the oil and tires lobby has brainwashed the American people into thinking that high speed trains are for communists......
In the year 1921 a man by the name of Alfred P. Sloan Jr. started a company called National Rail Lines, for the sole purpose of buying up trolley and train routes in the U.S. and then taking them apart to make way for paved streets and highways.....Who was Mr. Sloan ?? The CEO of General Motors....TRUTH HURTS ! !
@lta6494 and operating costs. Highways, as I have said before, have never covered their operating(maintenance) costs.
"I dont believe your interstate cost numbers. I would change my mind if I saw the figures (real figures, not Media Matters type figures)" I can give you my sources if you like. I'd also like to see your sources. I try to avoid using information from corporate owned news agencies, but sometimes its unavoidable.
@th3gtr0 First - you dont have to "paste" my points and respond back to them. I am not your student and I am perfectly able to follow my own thought process.
Progs are defined by their beliefs and the hope and change they would like in inflict on the US. I have not seen a prog agenda I agree with (at least the means to which they would execute it) and I don't think HSR is any different. Take a look at your conveluted "germany" example. It is way off point.
@lta6494 "First - you dont have to "paste" my points and respond back to them." Sorry, but it's grown out of habit b/c some people on here don't even remember what they said. And when I paste their comments again, they give excuses like "Sorry, I was drunk." Pathetic.
I believe HSR is very different. I would like you to elaborate on your statement that HSR is not any different. My Germany example is quite on point.
@lta6494 "I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR." You're thinking A = B, and since B = C, A = C. It's not that simple. I've met conservatives that support the project and progressives that are against it. That's the point I'm trying to make. This is also one of the reasons why I copy and paste users' points.
@lta6494 Nobody rides rail here because we have failed to invest in rail infrastructure for 70 years and because we let oil, tire, and car companies commit illegal business practices against the railroad industry half a century ago. Not only that, but the full costs of driving are not upfront at the pump. There are so many negative externalities to driving compared to rail it's ridiculous. Not giving a damn how things are done in other places suggests ignorance in trying to apply successful
@th3gtr0 You do not understand how things are funded here. There are about 4 states that would support HSR. The federal government would begin a national project that would be trillions of dollars going to 90% UNION workers, and everyone between NY and CA would pay for it. Why do you think Scott said NO to a train from Tampa to Orlando? Because it's good for the people of FL.?
@lta6494 The stimulus money was supposed to go to a bunch of states, which many rejected. Let's apply your argument to something that happened years ago. The year was 1956, when President Eisenhower and the federal government "directed the revenues from the federal gasoline tax to raise money for the largest public works project in human history: the Interstate Highway System." So when the first few miles of the IHS was laid down in Missouri(I think), do you think many people from other
@th3gtr0 I believe you could argue that the gasoline tax and transportation fees on trucking constitute a user fee. You are a far lefty if you think HSR is the way to prosperity.
@lta6494 Oh my, being a left-winger is soooo bad . . . No it's not. I feel it's better that people disagree with each other and debate about topics, rather than having a totalitarian entity command us what to believe.
"you could argue that the gasoline tax and transportation fees on trucking constitute a user fee."
The gasoline taxes are not really a user fee. They're so disconnected with the way they fund roads and highways. Also, gasoline taxes have never paid the full annual maintenance cost
@th3gtr0 No because the department of transportation is not a business. But much more money has been collected from trucking companies, gasoline, and the sale of tires, than it cost to build the interstate system. If the government can't pay for the maintenance of those roads, it would be because the government is woefully ineficient. Which is why I am not a fan of giving the government (federal) any more tax revenue, not to mention creating an Amtrack on steroids.
The governement is inefficient because it is made of men who have job security. Your argument for good leaders is the same argument for why communism has never worked in practice...."we never put the right people in charge....we never spent enough tax dollars on it" take note my lefty freind if you stay on this thought path you will say those words.
Grow up, get a job, raise a family...then tell me that BS
@boonw A centrist does not say "the reason government is inefficient, is because we have not elected the right people." That is what an elitist would say: meaning "the right people with good ideas......like me"
You are at best a polyanna, but probably just a snot nosed little puke who does'nt know a damn thing about how the world works outside of a sociology lab. I'm not "cheap" because I don't trust the fed with my money, I actually pay taxes.
"A centrist does not say "the reason government is inefficient, is because we have not elected the right people.""
A centrist can say whatever he or she wants. Hell, anyone from ANY political spectrum can say what they want.
"That is what an elitist would say: meaning "the right people with good ideas......like me""
Yet I never said that. You dont really have any grounds to say I am an elitist. I merely think a good leader would look to compromise with other parties.
@boonw I said a centrist does not say that, not cannot say that.
You can say what you like (for now- until progs F that up). Centrist's don't say anything until someone else expresses their opinion....then complain about it, or come up with "their" idea.
"Centrist's don't say anything until someone else expresses their opinion....then complain about it, or come up with "their" idea."
You wish, that would be far too convenient for a far right tard such as yourself. A centrist is merely neither conservative or a liberal. Essentially, you take what both parties or spectrum got right, and then cut off the excess baggage.
There are few issues in the world that are black and white, they are almost all grey.
Actually, I am a pessimist, and am rarely optimistic about things. I tend to look at action plans as "which one of these sucks the least".
"I'm not "cheap" because I don't trust the fed with my money"
Well, as long as the feds only kick me in the ass and prevent others from stabbing me in the ass, I am perfectly fine with paying my government money to keep everything running.
Do you have a better idea to keep the roads in check and society stable?
@boonw My point was that everyone uses roads. A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact. Tax are a necessary evil, that is ALL, they are not "Good" or "Noble"
Mostly because they dont really have an alternative.
"A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact"
No, its speculation. It cannot be a fact because the rail isnt built yet, and therefore the claim cant be verified.
The fact of the matter is, when HSR is built in other countries, it works very well. California is a very "green state" with many people trying to reduce carbon. They also have a smog problem.
@boonw You can play point - counter all day but it wont change the fact that the same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR. If it works there GREAT!
Do not make other states foot the bill whether they pay through state tax or fed.
Centrist - "I have no opinion until you express yours". so good job riding that fence.
Tax >/= GDP = High standard of living? Maybe you should take an economics class.
"same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR.same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR."
You are also ignoring that a lot of the people who would use HSR are you know... people who hate being stuck in smog infested traffic all day.
"Centrist - "I have no opinion until you express yours""
Despite the fact that I never said that, it is not the definition of a centrist nor my position.
You really can only use strawmans can you? You also love using ad hominems, and dismissals, probably because you cant argue with anything i say. I never anywhere insisted or implied that we raise taxes over the GDP.
@boonw Just because you dont agree, or more likely dont understand what I am telling you, does not make my points empty or irrelevant. You are obviously young and do not have any real world experience so you take what limited information you have learned and make blanket statements like: "There is a direct corrilation between tax rates and higher standard of living"....so i dont want to distarct you with my stuffyman, or phallacious arguments. So what should I say about such a dumb comment?
@boonw I like to put NASA in the ol' defense bucket. (I guess it helps that i like NASA)
I can see where our left friends would give you a hard time. I think rail is great for goods, but growing another "Amtrack" scares me. I just can't help but think that Europe's love affair with trains is the price they pay for petrol. Why can't we do the easy stuff like more natural gas in semis (not you but "they" i guess)? I think wind is chasing a dragon but more atomics and NG plants seem to make sense.
Whats so bad with "everyone needs to chip in to progress and maintain"?
"6. I don't believe you're a centrist"
Well, you are more far right leaning, so we would only clash on issues that would make me look left. Lefties tell me that I am a mindless shill for the mega corporations.
@lta6494 "A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact." Where is the evidence that supports that fact? Everyone does not use roads. 5% of Americans commute by mass transit today. It used to be a greater proportion in the early 20th century. Have you heard of the Great American Tram Scandal?
@lta6494 "But much more money has been collected from trucking companies, gasoline, and the sale of tires, than it cost to build the interstate system."
Wait a minute, so according to that comment, you are okay with "Huge upfront cost and permanent government funding forever"?
Personally, I'd like a transportation system that pays the maintenance costs of its infrastructure for itself. In addition, you can tax(charge a fee) the companies that operate the system.
@th3gtr0 If I thought HSR was a good idea I would still be against it just because it's a pet project of progs. I do not trust anything they do now. Their insipid little schemes, that can only be enacted when the vast uniformed democrat base is tricked into putting them in power, are going to destroy this country. First health care, then unrestricted public unions, then high speed rail, what's next?...............training camps so my antiquated thoughts about liberty are changed?
@th3gtr0 progs. HSR is a prog pet project. I agree it will work in metro areas but so does light rail. if HSR was so great than Amtrack would at least be somewhat viable right? Instead we have a service that is 100% subsidized and 100% unionized (i don't like unions btw), even though tons of NE liberals ride it daily. I have no reason to believe that HSR would be any different. Huge upfront cost and permanent government funding forever, paid mostly by folks that will never ride it.
@lta6494 HSR is not a pet project. It has been proven to work in many countries around the world.
"I agree it will work in metro areas but so does light rail."
Light-rail works IN metro areas, but it does not work BETWEEN metropolitan areas.
"if HSR was so great than Amtrack would at least be somewhat viable right?"
Incorrect. Amtrack is limited by federal law to run at a maximum of 79mph. In addition, most of the Amtrak network is actually right-of-way that is owned by major freight
@lta6494 railroads. What you have is a passenger train trying to service passengers on a mainline that is busy with slower freight trains and track that is not maintained for speed, but for heavy loads. Amtrak and HSR are not the same thing. Amtrak not be subsidized or exist if it were not for overwhelming government support of highways and airports from the 1930s onward. You complain that Amtrak is subsidized, but do you complain that highways and roads are? In its entire 55 year history,
More than double the speed of AMTRAK's long distance trains (that includes California's AMTRAK) with a fix that improves the freight rail system. What is needed is two sets of track, one for each direction. Presently almost all of AMTRAK's long distance routes are a single track with two-way traffic. That one track with two-way traffic forces the average traffic speed down to about 25mph for all the starting and stopping required to get on-coming trains past each other.
rusty2b 2 weeks ago
ASDF will make you pay for this FOX.
wizzrobe301 2 months ago
The GOP won't allow anything good to happen with President Obama in charge. That's why Faux News is helping cock block any infrastructure/jobs bill. We need to point this out as often as we can.
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why is chuck Norris on the advertisement for War Craft?
sideslide23 2 months ago
The train should run across the entire US.
kidda71 2 months ago
yes
yes
geanark 3 months ago
I wish I could go back to being a Republican, where oil is infinite and supply problems are all Obama's fault
Wonder how that's going to work out when gas is $6 under the next president or $20 under the one after that
override367 3 months ago
yes and yes....on a different note can you please stop making your pitch going up at the end of your sentences? it sounds like your asking a question every sentence, its very annoying. just a small dig, I generally relly enjoy your videos.
Gilbertronium 3 months ago
High speed rail would be around 150 mph not 100 mph, it would be comparable to high speed rail in Europe and would create jobs, take 1000's of cars off congested roads and help the planet, so I just can't get my head around why Americans are so against progression, they lag behind Europe by deckads when it comes to transport.
MrVillamike 4 months ago
@southern4501isawesom So creating millions of construction jobs and more than doubling the speed of the average train is a big waste of money. I'll boost commerce and increase the chance of getting a job. the high speed rail reaches 155mph not a 100mph
Zern227 4 months ago
Obama could walk on water and it wouldn't matter; I'm with Jimmy Carter and Jesse Jackson. They protest so much against every breath the President takes, it certainly seems like racism is at the bottom of it all.
jerico641 4 months ago
no high speed rail isnt important obama just wants to waste money AGAIN!!!!!! the average amtrak train moves from 50-60+ mph so 100 mph wouldnt be much faster.. so its a big waste of money.
southern4501isawesom 4 months ago
@southern4501isawesom Hence the reason it would be a high speed rail line, it would be purpose built for speed as in Japan, China, Europe, it seems that America is determined to stay in the dark ages when it comes to transport.
MrVillamike 4 months ago
@MrVillamike ...and green energy, evolution and religion, guns, death penalty.
MenwithHill 3 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
@southern4501isawesom Oh yea, and the war in the middle east, that can come before Health care and green energy. Fuck is wrong with you?
unbelivableLP 4 months ago
YES THAT'S Y WE LOVE FOX NEWS FOX NEWS WELL THAT'S JUST ENTERTAINMENT ". THATS ALL EVERYONE KNOWS THIS "
stonethugmusic 4 months ago
I live in Corcoran and I hate this high speed rail! It's the worst time for it. Good idea wrong time. The country's broke! We get back on our feet, then we can talk about a train.
JBauer785 4 months ago
There's also the fact that a high speed rail system could also help reduce dependence on foreign oil and be better fo the environment overall.
refuse2lose1985 5 months ago
This project will actually bring a few positive changes.
One being more jobs will be created for the duration of the project, and creates more jobs once the the system is complete as they will need staff to run and maintain the rails.
The second being that once the rail system is complete it will reduce the traffic and generate revenue for the state.
Thirdly the high speed rail will make stimulate the economy since more methods of transportation within the state.
Glad I live in Cali.
Neosaigo 5 months ago
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yeah, we need to spend untold BILLIONS of dollars right now. if they say it costs 50 billion it'll cost 80 billion in the end cause they don't factor in the kickbacks and bribes in the original estimate. stupid money printing, greedy, America hating liberals!
mealloveryou 6 months ago
yeah, we need to spend untold BILLIONS of dollars right now. if they say it costs 50 billion it'll cost 80 billion in the end cause they don't factor in the kickbacks and bribes in the original estimate. stupid money printing, greedy, America hating liberals!
mealloveryou 6 months ago
@mealloveryou
The point of this video isn't about trains or spending. The point is to demonstrate how biased FOX news is which is very obvious. The news is supposed to tell you both sides of the story, not sway your opinion. If you can seriously explain how story is unbiased please do.
DjPyro2010 6 months ago
@mealloveryou You conservatives hate America. You people are the first to reject any federal funds use to help the American people or to catch up with the rest of the industrialized world, but have no problem goin to wars to make Exxon and Halliburton CEOs profit. Layoff the corporate propaganda!!!!!!
Loltochapel 5 months ago 3
@Loltochapel Are you talking about how federal funds are used to buy a bridge that
is made in China? /watch?v=3O3rlLuZ5tU
wtf0804 5 months ago
FOX NEWS IS FIXED NEWS.........I used to watch Fox News and CNN but you are better off without either one......They both serve separate MASTERS.....High speed rail is a HECK of a good idea, but ignorant people wont see it until it is way too late......When petroleum reaches 150 to 200 dollars per gallon then we will all scream bloody murder in favor of trains....
THIS DAY IS COMING FAST......HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY RESISTS CHANGE ! !
THEY SAID THAT THE WRIGHT BROTHERS WERE A COUPLE OF NUTS !
sierracuban 6 months ago
I like trains.
noelsoong777 7 months ago 67
You should get PAID to do this. You ROCK!!!!
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@JuliaTrekkie1701 Dude gets YOUTUBE MONEY!!!!! The best kind of money. And bacon.
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asfairsoftcal 7 months ago
@asfairsoftcal Wow! How can you be so misguided at what I assume is a young age? How does not wasting trillions on high speed rail keep you down? How do they continue the power sucking (?) because of HSR, or the lack there of? What does drinking coffee have to do with politics? Finally, How is employment taking advantage of you?
lta6494 7 months ago
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asfairsoftcal 7 months ago
100 miles per hour into abyss. Chinese have proven that. LOL
Civsuccess2 7 months ago
@Civsuccess2
Japanese have run hi-speed trains for nearly 50 years without serious injury. Perhaps their safety standards are a little higher than the Chinese!
grover9559 6 months ago
@grover9559
U didn't know GE subcontracted project to China especially the train car sections?
Civsuccess2 6 months ago
California government selling off jobs to China by purchasing Chinese HSR train. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate of CA is 12%. At the end, we found out Chinese trains are garbage. Nobody wants to ride the death train.
Civsuccess2 7 months ago
Come to Chicago and look at the "high speed" rail and see just how inefficient it really is. Trains pass through daily with few or no passengers. How efficient is that? Stop wasting our money on mass transportation that people don't want!
baileytw1994 7 months ago
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asfairsoftcal 7 months ago
OUR FLORIDA GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT LIED ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL.....He fumbled with the numbers so that he and the oil companies would get their way.....The mentality of the American people is pro-automobile.......One day we will realize how wrong we are, hopefully not too late.......Hopefully California will build their train......It will be the showcase of HSR.......
sierracuban 7 months ago
@sierracuban WRONG. Who the hell is going to take a train from Tampa to Otown?
lta6494 7 months ago
@lta6494
Lots of tourists and business travelers. Unfortunately, it won't happen with the present governor!
grover9559 6 months ago
@sierracuban
There were 2 private groups of investors ready to assume the state portion of costs on this line, but they never got the chance because the governor killed the project without even taking bids!
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Bawbster1 7 months ago
I rode a train as a form of daily public transportation for the first time even in Washington DC. I would LOVE to have a train system down where I live. It would remove a lot of traffic and thus decrease our carbon footprint.
SauraElanthier 8 months ago
I would be glad to see high speed rail make its way to the northeast. Connecting st. louis all the way to boston would be excellent. All areas of business would benefit. Hopefully fox doesn't kill the Cali project so we don't get it here.
ChrisHolmz 8 months ago
FOX NEWS FUCK YA
ChevyRunsDeep1 8 months ago
FOX NEWS IS THE TEA PARTY NEWS......And the Tea Party hates high speed rail under the excuse that it is tax payer's money.......But the Tea Party NEVER mentions the BILLIONS of tax subsidies that went to the Interstate Highways Act of 1956, or how the age of cheap gasoline is over forever.....
Those Tea Party people must be mixing something into their tea......High speed rail is the transportation of the future.......AND NO Tea Party : We are not a bunch of socialists....WE ARE AMERICANS !
sierracuban 8 months ago 2
@sierracuban Calm down Karl, you don't know what youre talking about. Exactly how is HSR the transportation of the future? Nobody complains about IHS because most people use it. If hsr would be soooo great then Amtrack would at least be moderatley successfull right? Hitch your lefty wagon to a different star, this one is a loser....
I'm not a tea partier but are they not americans?
lta6494 7 months ago
@lta6494 BUT YOU SEE MY FRIEND, AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE AT MODERN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, AND IT WAS GENERAL MOTORS WHO STARTED THE PROCESS OF SHUTTING DOWN OUR URBAN TRAIN AND TROLLEY SYSTEMS BACK IN 1921......HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THIS ?? DOES THE NAME ALFRED P. SLOAN JR. RING A BELL ??
AND WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME SOMEONE CRITICIZES CORPORATE CRIMINALS HE IS LABELED A LEFTIST ?? OTHER TIMES PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME A RIGHT WING NUT.....THAT'S CRAZY.
sierracuban 7 months ago 2
@sierracuban Let's see..you don't like tea party's, and you like hsr (which will require trillions in big governemnt union contracts), and you dislike "corporations"...Why would I assume you were a progressive liberal? Amtrack is completely relevant and it is a disaster, I am all for mass transit where it works but we don't need "railways to nowhere" across the country. Why is that so hard to understand? At the end of the day it's still RR ok? stop telling people they don't understand trains!
lta6494 7 months ago
@lta6494 I HAVE BEEN TO 3 TEA PARTY DEMONSTRATIONS HERE IN MIAMI AGAINST OBAMA, BUT I PROBABLY WONT GO TO ANYMORE........SOME ELEMENTS THERE ARE KOOKS.....THE THING ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL IS THAT NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU ARE IN, IT IS COMING......$ 150 TO $200 PER BARREL PETROLEUM WILL BRING HIGH SPEED TRAINS AS BEES TO HONEY......IT IS INEVITABLE......IT WILL BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO FLY IN THE YEAR 2020 TO 2030.....ONLY THE VERY RICH WILL FLY....YOU WILL SEE IT..
sierracuban 7 months ago
@sierracuban sure
lta6494 7 months ago
@lta6494 "If hsr would be soooo great then Amtrack would at least be moderatley successfull right?"
No, because, as I have already explained, Amtrak and HSR are not the same thing. Amtrak does have somewhat of a HSR train called the Acela Express in the NE Corridor. It's not true HSR, but it is still quite successful. It's capturing over half of the ridership market between the major cities on the corridor, and is earning money.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@th3gtr0 If it was privately funded then thumbs up
lta6494 7 months ago
@lta6494 So then what would you say about the Interstate Highway System? Or many of the major airports in the country? Or a lot of infrastructure projects in the U.S.? Sure they may be built by private companies through a subcontract, but the source of the money to pay for these important projects is usually public.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@lta6494
Are the highways privately funded?
grover9559 6 months ago
@sierracuban
The TP/GOP hates hi-speed rail because they don't want anything good to happen during Obamas presidency.
grover9559 6 months ago
High speed rail makes sense, period. FOX LIES
Bawbster1 8 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
@Bawbster1 Fox lies and HSR makes sense? You summed up the opposite side of reason in one sentence.
Do you believe in Bigfoot too?
lta6494 7 months ago
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Bawbster1 8 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
Yes,yes
High speed rail has worked for Japan which has to deal with a lot of the issues with California. In addition, it is safer and reduces waste while increasing tourism because people want to be able to be able to travel to a place for a day or a couple of days and this high speed rail line allows for people to travel farther. Think about it, if you lived in a state like Ohio or Nebraska or Kansas and you could visit a sunny place like California for a day or more and it only took you thre
Randomasesino2012 8 months ago
Fox always holds back the great ideas to make promote the stupid and to keep us scared and stupid
TheMysticCore 8 months ago
@TheMysticCore
Faux News, like their TP/GOP sponsors, doesn't want anything good to happen during Obamas term.
grover9559 6 months ago
@grover9559 THAT'S TRUE.......I have a cousin who worked for the D.E.A .who calls FOX NEWS, FIXED NEWS.......He was a well known WHISLE BLOWER who exposed U.S. government LIES and sued the Feds and won......Look up Sandalio Gonzalez......Look my friend, the TRUTH hurts like hell......Our nation is no longer free....That nation is gone.....I remember life in California in 1963, and this is not even close....High speed rail has lots of CORPORATE CRIMINALS against it.....CM González, Miami. FL
sierracuban 6 months ago
Of course Republicans don't want infrastructure... that might pull us into the 21st century.
Magicwillnz 8 months ago
Why I hate fox.
MachintoshCJ 8 months ago
As a person who lived in America for 3 years, I agree with Obama. The Public transport and infrastructure is not the best in the developed world. But the Republican I really not acknowledging the fact that some parts of continental U.S.A can only be well-accessed with efficient rail road systems and improvements on the Highway that are crucial to the economy.
Exli3r 8 months ago
@Exli3r As a person who has lived here 40 years: Move back, we have enough bleeding heart socialists here already. Has anyone considered the fact that HSR is sooo popular in Europe because gasoline is 9 dollars a gallon?
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 I guess you don't like trains then lol :\
Exli3r 8 months ago
@Exli3r Now I feel bad because I was being a jerk...sorry.
I like trains I just don't like wasting govt. money, HSR seems like it would be a good idea but since liberals and progs want it so much it makes me nervous, cause they love to spend OPM!
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 I understand what you mean, and I wasn't offend mind you. There is a concern about the deficit and budget cuts before I felt in January that all the rage. But as far as I see public spending in Education, Health Care and infrastructure are beneficial investments that are needed for economical growth and development. Who knows it might create jobs in the public and private sector.
Exli3r 8 months ago
@Exli3r You are correct, but the people who want it (single payer health care, massive spending projects like HSR, etc...) so badly in this country want it so that they can control it.
lta6494 8 months ago
The jobs that the maintenance facility in Hanford (a few miles north of Corcoran on the path of the railway) will bring lots of PERMANENT jobs to an area that has some of the worst unemployment in the state. I also don't like Faux News essentially calling the place I grew up in (which is responsible for a HUGE portion of the agriculture in the country) nowhere. Gotta love 'em!
leachimeel 8 months ago
First...fuck yes on the high speed rail. That shit is awesome, and I am so happy the US is finally moving towards the future. We need to push as hard as we can to advance ourselves as humans.
Being the anti-statist that I am, I of course think removing the necrotic body part that is federal government, is the only real first step. But it does please me that atleast something good is coming from the ridiculous amounts of money we spend. Good of CA on getting the HSR.
PaperSoapy 8 months ago
@PaperSoapy How does HSR advance us as humans, Darwin?
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 Done with everyone else here, now going after me huh? So lets just go ahead and
start something, that obviously isn't a conversation, as you immediately started it with
an insult.
I was referring to technology in general, and if anyone doesn't think technology will advance
our species, they are insane.
PaperSoapy 8 months ago
@PaperSoapy My point is that there is much more to HSR then is reported and professed by progressive's. I think a human mission to mars would do more for the species than to hand trillions of dollars over to their union pals. Make no mistake that is what Progs want is government control of it and 100% union labor to build and run it. No thanks
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
Would you support a human mission to Mars if it was built and run by union workers?
grover9559 6 months ago
@grover9559 Not public union.....
lta6494 6 months ago
Do these Republicans realize the logical fallacies, dodge tactics, close minded arguments, and ignorance involved with their agenda? If you need to silence the other side of the argument and broadcast biased and censored news, don't you think you're wrong? Obama is a brilliant President who wholeheartedly wants to improve America where it matters: THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
Rainbowsixoperator1 8 months ago
@Rainbowsixoperator1 You're right he is the greatest
lta6494 8 months ago
@Rainbowsixoperator1 You are right about everything Obama is. You just left out the fact that he is a complete failure as president. He has even alienated his base by breaking almost every promise he made to them. Here is an argument that is not dodgey, close minded, or ignorant: Employment and overall consumer confidence will stay depressed untill there is demand, and Obama has proposed NOTHING that would cause businesses or consumers to start spending/producing/investing. Sorry no rainbow :(
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 Remember the impossible and therefore equally failed promises McCain campaigned with? The guy didn't even know basic economics. Obama IS the man for this country. His ideals and intentions are the purest. Obama has done a lot to bend the economic state back to a positive slope. His plan: Improve the infrastructure which creates massive amounts of jobs. Engineers, road workers, transit jobs, educators, and more. Lets not forget that Obama helped lower YOUR taxes, the middle class.
Rainbowsixoperator1 8 months ago
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lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
How can we have any growth in the economy if all the TP wants to do is cut everything they get their hands on?
grover9559 6 months ago
My answer to both questions is yes.
Godkillersg0 8 months ago
Infrastructure improvements are never a waste of money.
SSJ3Ulcer 8 months ago 26
@SSJ3Ulcer As long as you dont pay taxes
lta6494 8 months ago
@SSJ3Ulcer Exactly. Even in Canada we have crappy infrastructure. in 2000 an overpass in Laval, Quebec collapsed onto traffic, killing 5 people and injuring six others. It was old and decrepit.
Also, our "lovely" conservative government is planning to close down a very important Coast Guard station in Newfoundland. BUT they cherrfully spent hundreds of millions on the G8 summit!!!
Sorry to rant....We are in this boat together
Trund27 8 months ago
Yes, it is just more GOP propaganda. What many in the US don't know, is that in European countries like Denmark it is illegal to lie or mislead on the news. Canada has the Radio Act which states the same. In addition, Canada's conservative part PM wants to make it legal to lie on news. This shows that conservatives need to lie to stay in power.
tomofnorthcal 9 months ago
Fox news has been proven to mislead the most amount of people out of all the big news stations in the nation, scientific study shows!
Strugglle 9 months ago
HSR is a leftist cabal.
It is a union "slush" fund to pay lazy assholes who will stand around wasting money on a project that will come in insanely over budget.
I don't give a damn how things are done in Europe. NOBODY RIDES RAIL HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494
"HSR is a leftist cabal"
A mere slanderous branding that shows it is evident you cant dig up real dirt on it. Besides, even if it was leftist (its neutral), it wouldnt necacarily be bad. It would mean it probably is, and could be labeled as bad with indipendent scruitiny.
"It is a union "slush" fund to pay lazy assholes"
Its a constrution project. Are you fucking retarded?
Besides, there are unions in the postal service, should we shut down the postal service then?
boonw 9 months ago
@boonw Hello, I'm back. Sorry I was gone for a while, but I was studying for finals, AP tests, and have to work on multiple projects.
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@lta6494
"who will stand around wasting money on a project that will come in insanely over budget."
Just like the war in iraq then. Besides, do you have an expert opinion saying it will be over budget, cause I dont know what makes your opinion so verifiable.
"NOBODY RIDES RAIL HERE!"
Actually, millions ride it every day. Its called the subway. There is a reason people dont use the train for long distance travel: its slow as fuck.
You are holding america back by being a cheap ass.
boonw 9 months ago
@boonw play fare lefty.....you know I was not talking about light rail.
If it works and is a great idea then let the private market do it. Or wait, I forgot "corporations" are evil, anything "good" has to be done by the government. Grow up.
I am not retarded btw, I just don't have stars in my eyes like all you brain dead lib douchebags.
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494
"If it works and is a great idea then let the private market do it"
Yeah, tell a company to put billions into a construction project. I dont think you'll find a company that will do that. Doing a construction project that costs a billion is very rare.
"I forgot "corporations" are evil, anything "good" has to be done by the government. "
Actually, I dont believe that. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a far lefty. I am a centrist and quite like corporations (generally).
boonw 9 months ago
@boonw Sorry I thought anyone that commited to this idea would be a prog. When I think of HSR in practice i can't help but think of Amtrack. Seriously am I wrong? How would it be something other than a financial burden on the other 48 states that would never ride it. Did amtrack get rid of anyother form of transportation? The proposal form Tampa to Orlando, for instance, who exactly would ride that? it's 2 hours by car. I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494 "I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR."
That's a very stupid way of thinking. That's like saying I'm German. The NSDAP originated from Germany, so I must be a part of the NSDAP. I'm neither German or a part of the NSDAP.
"When I think of HSR in practice i can't help but think of Amtrack. Seriously am I wrong?"
You betcha' you are! First, HSR is a type of transportation system. Amtrack is a federally owned corporation. They are not the same
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 thing. Second, the closest thing that Amtrack has to HSR is the Acela Express on the Northeast Corridor. The Acela Express runs on track that is shared by local trains and was not designed for operating speeds of 300km/hr or higher. A lot of that track was upgraded and electrified by the former Pennsylvania Railroad in the 1930s. That was a time when K4s and GG1s ran, not N700s or AGVs. HSR tracks cannot have a corner radius of less than 2500m these on the mainline these days.
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@th3gtr0 Amtrack is a transportation system wether it is owned by uncle sam or not. I realize there are differences in the types of rail now vs. HSR, but so what? Who is going to ride HSR in the future, when they dont ride rail currently? I believe that HSR will be at least 50% local, state, or fed subsidized, which is why the Amtrack example is relevant. I dont believe your interstate cost numbers. I would change my mind if I saw the figures (real figures, not Media Matters type figures)
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 "Who is going to ride HSR in the future, when they dont ride rail currently?" I've already answered that question to you. I can repost it if you like.
"I believe that HSR will be at least 50% local, state, or fed subsidized, which is why the Amtrack example is relevant." Not quite. HSR around the world pays for its own operating costs. Two lines in the world - the Tokaido Shinkansen and the Paris-Lyon LGV - has payed off their building costs. Amtrak requires subsidies for building
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@th3gtr0 HOW ON EARTH could you possibly even compare high speed rail with the dinosaurs which I have ridden on Amtrak ???? We took the Amtrak from Miami to Savanna, Georgia in 2008 to see our son graduate from the Marines in Parris Island, S.C. and it took us about 12 hours.....One of Red China's trains would have done that in 3 hours.......PLEASE do your research......We Americans have been BRAINWASHED by General Motors and Firestone ( and Allstate car insurance ) into HATING trains.
sierracuban 8 months ago
@sierracuban "HOW ON EARTH could you possibly even compare high speed rail with the dinosaurs which I have ridden on Amtrak ???? . . . PLEASE do your research......We Americans have been BRAINWASHED by General Motors and Firestone ( and Allstate car insurance ) into HATING trains."
Well, first of all, Amtrak does have a high-speed service called the Acela Express running on the Northeast Corridor. It is supposed to be the successor to the old Metroliner service started by the former
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban Pennsylvania Railroad way back in the late 1960's. Using Budd EMU cars, it provided 150mph service between New York and WashDC in three hours. The Metroliner was plagued with reliability issues and its DC current motors also presented a problem when it tried to reach higher speeds. The Budd EMUs were taken out of service in the 1980s and were replaced by Amfleets hauled by AEM7 locomotives. Notice that the AEM7 locomotives were derived from a Swedish locomotive design-a sign
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban of the demise of the American rail industry. Anyway, the Metroliner was taken out of service in 2006. In 2000, the Acela Express began service and boasted basically the same service that the Budd EMU trainsets of 30 years prior offered. There are many problems about calling the Acela Express a true HSR service. First of all, the Acela Express runs on track shared by other local and NJT commuter trains. You can't run frequent service at high speeds with a bunch of other slower
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban trains on the same line. Second, the route that the Acela runs on is track laid in the 1930s when the Pennsylvania Railroad undertook a massive modernization project on its most travelled lines. Notice that the PRR did this during a time when the country's, as well as the worlds', economy were struggling. This was a time when GG1s and K4s were still rolling down the main lines. The line wasn't built for high speeds that trainsets can reach nowadays. To have a true high speed
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban rail system, you need to build a dedicated line. The line has to be grade-separate from roads and highways, and needs many tunnels, bridges, and viaducts to provide a right-of-way of low gradients. There are others things that you can do to improve average speeds of trains and frequency of service. Let's look at the Tokaido Shinkansen in Japan that began service in October 1964 between Osaka and Tokyo to relieve the congestion on the Tokaido Main Line running between the two
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban cities for an example. While the line has all the things I've already listed, it also has passing sidings at every station to allow expresses to pass by frequent-stop trains on the line, minimum corner radii of 2500 meters, and EMU trainsets that are powered by a stable, high-voltage power source. The standard around the world seems to be 25kV 60Hz. These are things that the Acela Express does not have and, therefore, cannot be considered a true HSR service.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban We Americans have not been brainwashed, but we've gotten so used to using cars all the time that we cannot imagine using anything else for mass transit. Did you know that most major American cities used to have extensive light-rail systems in the early 20th century? And guess which city has the largest? That's right, Los Angeles, California. But a group of companies called General Motors, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Truck formed
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@th3gtr0 YES INDEED....I read about that.....A fellow by the name of ALFRED P. SLOAN JR. who was the CEO of General Motors conspired back in the year 1921 to shut down all rail trolley lines...He started National City Lines as a DISGUISE to destroy our mass transit system.....Funny how the Tea Party NEVER mentions that...They never tell stories of CORPORATE CRIMES...I grew up in a town that suffered this CRIME....It HAD a great trolley system until 1962....It is called Huntington Park, Calif.
sierracuban 7 months ago
@sierracuban formed their own company called National City Lines. National City Lines bought up all these light-rail systems in cities all across America and either ended service or brought it down to a level so bad that people began to drive or use buses instead. (Mack Truck also made buses). Can you say illegal business practices? Of course, because this is America, almost everything is corporate controlled, including the news agencies. This is why I don't really like to get my news
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban news from big names like Fox, CNN, or NBC. They're most likely going to air news that is beneficial to whoever is sponsoring them(corporations). Anyway, back to National City Lines. The companies were found guilty of conspiracy and were fined an amount so small it's pathetic. I wonder why? Perhaps it's because politicians and Supreme Court judges are also practically "bought"(political contributions) by the corporations. Mark Hanna, a former US Senator in the late-19th
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban century, once said, "There are two things that are important in politics. The first is money, and I can't remember what the second one is." It's like these huge financial banks getting fined hundreds of millions of dollars every couple of years for practicing bad business. Again, these corporations make way more than they get fined and nobody at the top gets arrested because the companies themselves, not the people who run them, are the ones who get fined.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban Quite a punishment, huh? So by the time the 1930s ran around, the light-rail systems were gone. Well, except the Key System in the SF Bay Area. That stayed until the 1950s. The Interstate Highway Act of 1956 didn't help the railroads either. The railroads declined even further until the bankruptcy of Penn Central in 1971. Finally, Congress listened and created Conrail and American Track (Amtrak). By then, it was too late for private passenger railroads.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban Today, Conrail is owned by two Class 1 freight railroads, CSX and NS. Amtrak still remains the federally owned corporation that operates passenger trains on track that is owned and maintained by freight railroads. So you wonder why car nuts say that rail is bad? Personally, I support the reemergence of passenger rail in the United States. But, things have changed since the 1950s. People want things to be faster and more convenient. For heavily travelled corridors of
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban distances between 100-600 miles, that's where HSR comes in. I don't understand how you concluded that I hate rail when I have been supporting rail in all of my comments for this video. I find the comment "PLEASE do your research" very insulting because I have been researching high-speed rail systems for the past year now.
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban Also, China is not a very good example to go by when it comes to high-speed rail. Sure we here about China already having built 5,000 miles of HSR lines, and planning to have a vast 4 North to South and 4 East to West network of about 20,000 miles by 2020, but this is China. A lot of companies are state-owned over there. There's so much corruption over there and the rapid rate of building makes me wonder if they performed Environmental Impact and Financial Feasibility Studies
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban beforehand. Environmental Impact Studies are important, not only for the environment, but also for residents who will leave adjacent to the lines. There have been reports of residents in Tokyo who are bothered by the noise and vibrations of passing trains. This report was from the 1980s, so I'm sure they've solved the problems by now. But to avoid having to deal with these kinds of problems later, environmental impact studies are done.
So what would you like me to research?
th3gtr0 7 months ago
@sierracuban
How come other countries can build HSR but not the US? Must be the highway/oil lobby.
grover9559 6 months ago
@grover9559 OF COURSE IT IS.......The highway lobby and the oil and tires lobby has brainwashed the American people into thinking that high speed trains are for communists......
In the year 1921 a man by the name of Alfred P. Sloan Jr. started a company called National Rail Lines, for the sole purpose of buying up trolley and train routes in the U.S. and then taking them apart to make way for paved streets and highways.....Who was Mr. Sloan ?? The CEO of General Motors....TRUTH HURTS ! !
sierracuban 6 months ago
@lta6494 and operating costs. Highways, as I have said before, have never covered their operating(maintenance) costs.
"I dont believe your interstate cost numbers. I would change my mind if I saw the figures (real figures, not Media Matters type figures)" I can give you my sources if you like. I'd also like to see your sources. I try to avoid using information from corporate owned news agencies, but sometimes its unavoidable.
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 My point is Amtrak is not comparable to HSR. You could maybe compare Amtrak with the former JNR.
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@th3gtr0 First - you dont have to "paste" my points and respond back to them. I am not your student and I am perfectly able to follow my own thought process.
Progs are defined by their beliefs and the hope and change they would like in inflict on the US. I have not seen a prog agenda I agree with (at least the means to which they would execute it) and I don't think HSR is any different. Take a look at your conveluted "germany" example. It is way off point.
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494 "First - you dont have to "paste" my points and respond back to them." Sorry, but it's grown out of habit b/c some people on here don't even remember what they said. And when I paste their comments again, they give excuses like "Sorry, I was drunk." Pathetic.
I believe HSR is very different. I would like you to elaborate on your statement that HSR is not any different. My Germany example is quite on point.
Here's your previous statement:
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 "I don't trust Progs and progs love HSR so.....vicariously i don't trust HSR." You're thinking A = B, and since B = C, A = C. It's not that simple. I've met conservatives that support the project and progressives that are against it. That's the point I'm trying to make. This is also one of the reasons why I copy and paste users' points.
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 Nobody rides rail here because we have failed to invest in rail infrastructure for 70 years and because we let oil, tire, and car companies commit illegal business practices against the railroad industry half a century ago. Not only that, but the full costs of driving are not upfront at the pump. There are so many negative externalities to driving compared to rail it's ridiculous. Not giving a damn how things are done in other places suggests ignorance in trying to apply successful
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@lta6494 ideas to your own country in order to stay competitive. Democracy cannot work with ignorance.
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@th3gtr0 You do not understand how things are funded here. There are about 4 states that would support HSR. The federal government would begin a national project that would be trillions of dollars going to 90% UNION workers, and everyone between NY and CA would pay for it. Why do you think Scott said NO to a train from Tampa to Orlando? Because it's good for the people of FL.?
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494 The stimulus money was supposed to go to a bunch of states, which many rejected. Let's apply your argument to something that happened years ago. The year was 1956, when President Eisenhower and the federal government "directed the revenues from the federal gasoline tax to raise money for the largest public works project in human history: the Interstate Highway System." So when the first few miles of the IHS was laid down in Missouri(I think), do you think many people from other
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@th3gtr0 I believe you could argue that the gasoline tax and transportation fees on trucking constitute a user fee. You are a far lefty if you think HSR is the way to prosperity.
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494 Oh my, being a left-winger is soooo bad . . . No it's not. I feel it's better that people disagree with each other and debate about topics, rather than having a totalitarian entity command us what to believe.
"you could argue that the gasoline tax and transportation fees on trucking constitute a user fee."
The gasoline taxes are not really a user fee. They're so disconnected with the way they fund roads and highways. Also, gasoline taxes have never paid the full annual maintenance cost
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@lta6494 of highways and roads, ever. You think roads and highways are profitable?!
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@th3gtr0 No because the department of transportation is not a business. But much more money has been collected from trucking companies, gasoline, and the sale of tires, than it cost to build the interstate system. If the government can't pay for the maintenance of those roads, it would be because the government is woefully ineficient. Which is why I am not a fan of giving the government (federal) any more tax revenue, not to mention creating an Amtrack on steroids.
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494
"If the government can't pay for the maintenance of those roads, it would be because the government is woefully ineficient"
Roads are something that EVERYONE uses. This is why the government just makes everyone chip in. Taxes are a GOOD thing.
"Which is why I am not a fan of giving the government (federal) any more tax revenue"
No, its because you are cheap.
The government is inefficient because people never vote for good leaders,they like people who sell them good sounding plans
boonw 9 months ago
@boonw cheap?
Are you a child?
The governement is inefficient because it is made of men who have job security. Your argument for good leaders is the same argument for why communism has never worked in practice...."we never put the right people in charge....we never spent enough tax dollars on it" take note my lefty freind if you stay on this thought path you will say those words.
Grow up, get a job, raise a family...then tell me that BS
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"Are you a child?"
That is easy to find out. Click on my name.
"Your argument for good leaders is the same argument for why communism has never worked in practice"
It doesnt work in theory either, it just sounds good if you dont like questioning things and ignore any form of criticism.
"take note my lefty freind"
I am actually a centrist.... but then again, what does this matter?
"Grow up, get a job"
Ad hominems, clear sign of a weak argument : )
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw A centrist does not say "the reason government is inefficient, is because we have not elected the right people." That is what an elitist would say: meaning "the right people with good ideas......like me"
You are at best a polyanna, but probably just a snot nosed little puke who does'nt know a damn thing about how the world works outside of a sociology lab. I'm not "cheap" because I don't trust the fed with my money, I actually pay taxes.
: )
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"A centrist does not say "the reason government is inefficient, is because we have not elected the right people.""
A centrist can say whatever he or she wants. Hell, anyone from ANY political spectrum can say what they want.
"That is what an elitist would say: meaning "the right people with good ideas......like me""
Yet I never said that. You dont really have any grounds to say I am an elitist. I merely think a good leader would look to compromise with other parties.
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw I said a centrist does not say that, not cannot say that.
You can say what you like (for now- until progs F that up). Centrist's don't say anything until someone else expresses their opinion....then complain about it, or come up with "their" idea.
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"Centrist's don't say anything until someone else expresses their opinion....then complain about it, or come up with "their" idea."
You wish, that would be far too convenient for a far right tard such as yourself. A centrist is merely neither conservative or a liberal. Essentially, you take what both parties or spectrum got right, and then cut off the excess baggage.
There are few issues in the world that are black and white, they are almost all grey.
boonw 8 months ago 5
@lta6494
"You are at best a polyanna"
Actually, I am a pessimist, and am rarely optimistic about things. I tend to look at action plans as "which one of these sucks the least".
"I'm not "cheap" because I don't trust the fed with my money"
Well, as long as the feds only kick me in the ass and prevent others from stabbing me in the ass, I am perfectly fine with paying my government money to keep everything running.
Do you have a better idea to keep the roads in check and society stable?
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw My point was that everyone uses roads. A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact. Tax are a necessary evil, that is ALL, they are not "Good" or "Noble"
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"My point was that everyone uses roads."
Mostly because they dont really have an alternative.
"A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact"
No, its speculation. It cannot be a fact because the rail isnt built yet, and therefore the claim cant be verified.
The fact of the matter is, when HSR is built in other countries, it works very well. California is a very "green state" with many people trying to reduce carbon. They also have a smog problem.
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw You can play point - counter all day but it wont change the fact that the same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR. If it works there GREAT!
Do not make other states foot the bill whether they pay through state tax or fed.
Centrist - "I have no opinion until you express yours". so good job riding that fence.
Tax >/= GDP = High standard of living? Maybe you should take an economics class.
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR.same people who use amtrack and light rail today are the ones who would use HSR."
You are also ignoring that a lot of the people who would use HSR are you know... people who hate being stuck in smog infested traffic all day.
"Centrist - "I have no opinion until you express yours""
Despite the fact that I never said that, it is not the definition of a centrist nor my position.
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw I said ley it work in metro areas.. you smug lttle ass
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"Tax >/= GDP = High standard of living?"
You really can only use strawmans can you? You also love using ad hominems, and dismissals, probably because you cant argue with anything i say. I never anywhere insisted or implied that we raise taxes over the GDP.
"Maybe you should take an economics class"
Here is a basic lesson in economics
Work needs to maintain and create infrastructure
Work requires people
People require pay
spending must equal or be less to revenue.
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw Just because you dont agree, or more likely dont understand what I am telling you, does not make my points empty or irrelevant. You are obviously young and do not have any real world experience so you take what limited information you have learned and make blanket statements like: "There is a direct corrilation between tax rates and higher standard of living"....so i dont want to distarct you with my stuffyman, or phallacious arguments. So what should I say about such a dumb comment?
lta6494 8 months ago
@boonw Just to be clear:
1.I think HSR is good in metro areas only. I do not believe it is viable across the country or it would already exsist.
2. Tax revenue should not be used to build/maintain. I would be for a type of grant from the fed to build for states who WANT it.
3. Your taxation philosophy is weird.
4. I am open to changing my opinion when presented with facts.
5. I have enjoyed our conversations!
6. I don't believe you're a centrist
7. My gramar is awfull
lta6494 8 months ago
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@lta6494
"1.I think HSR is good in metro areas only. I do not believe it is viable across the country or it would already exsist."
Isnt that internally inconsistent though? To me it pretty much says that if it was a good idea, it would be built, but oppose to it being built?
"I would be for a type of grant from the fed to build for states who WANT it."
Whats your opinion on NASA? The majority of their infrastructure is only in 2 states.
boonw 8 months ago
@boonw I like to put NASA in the ol' defense bucket. (I guess it helps that i like NASA)
I can see where our left friends would give you a hard time. I think rail is great for goods, but growing another "Amtrack" scares me. I just can't help but think that Europe's love affair with trains is the price they pay for petrol. Why can't we do the easy stuff like more natural gas in semis (not you but "they" i guess)? I think wind is chasing a dragon but more atomics and NG plants seem to make sense.
lta6494 8 months ago
@lta6494
"3. Your taxation philosophy is weird."
Whats so bad with "everyone needs to chip in to progress and maintain"?
"6. I don't believe you're a centrist"
Well, you are more far right leaning, so we would only clash on issues that would make me look left. Lefties tell me that I am a mindless shill for the mega corporations.
"7. My gramar is awfull"
probably better than mine
boonw 8 months ago
@lta6494
"Tax are a necessary evil, that is ALL, they are not "Good" or "Noble""
Naw, they are good. There is a direct correlation in between standard of of living, and taxation.
The exception of course are dictatorships.
boonw 8 months ago
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@lta6494 "A tiny percentage of people would use HSR, that is a fact." Where is the evidence that supports that fact? Everyone does not use roads. 5% of Americans commute by mass transit today. It used to be a greater proportion in the early 20th century. Have you heard of the Great American Tram Scandal?
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 "But much more money has been collected from trucking companies, gasoline, and the sale of tires, than it cost to build the interstate system."
Wait a minute, so according to that comment, you are okay with "Huge upfront cost and permanent government funding forever"?
Personally, I'd like a transportation system that pays the maintenance costs of its infrastructure for itself. In addition, you can tax(charge a fee) the companies that operate the system.
th3gtr0 8 months ago
@lta6494 states in say the Northeast, Southeast, and West thought it would benefit them? It wouldn't initially, but eventually it did.
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@th3gtr0 If I thought HSR was a good idea I would still be against it just because it's a pet project of progs. I do not trust anything they do now. Their insipid little schemes, that can only be enacted when the vast uniformed democrat base is tricked into putting them in power, are going to destroy this country. First health care, then unrestricted public unions, then high speed rail, what's next?...............training camps so my antiquated thoughts about liberty are changed?
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494 I'm having trouble understanding who you are referring to when you say "they."
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@th3gtr0 progs. HSR is a prog pet project. I agree it will work in metro areas but so does light rail. if HSR was so great than Amtrack would at least be somewhat viable right? Instead we have a service that is 100% subsidized and 100% unionized (i don't like unions btw), even though tons of NE liberals ride it daily. I have no reason to believe that HSR would be any different. Huge upfront cost and permanent government funding forever, paid mostly by folks that will never ride it.
lta6494 9 months ago
@lta6494 HSR is not a pet project. It has been proven to work in many countries around the world.
"I agree it will work in metro areas but so does light rail."
Light-rail works IN metro areas, but it does not work BETWEEN metropolitan areas.
"if HSR was so great than Amtrack would at least be somewhat viable right?"
Incorrect. Amtrack is limited by federal law to run at a maximum of 79mph. In addition, most of the Amtrak network is actually right-of-way that is owned by major freight
th3gtr0 9 months ago
@lta6494 railroads. What you have is a passenger train trying to service passengers on a mainline that is busy with slower freight trains and track that is not maintained for speed, but for heavy loads. Amtrak and HSR are not the same thing. Amtrak not be subsidized or exist if it were not for overwhelming government support of highways and airports from the 1930s onward. You complain that Amtrak is subsidized, but do you complain that highways and roads are? In its entire 55 year history,
th3gtr0 9 months ago