The vast majority of trees used in paper production come from privately-owned tree farms that would not be growing those trees if it weren't for a strong demand for those trees. The claim that recycling paper saves trees is tantamount to arguing that eating less beef increases the cattle population.
Yeah, you gotta love those numb-skull recycling zealots.
@romrell59 sir or miss, i don't know what country you live but as far as i know, the most used way to harvest trees is by illegal harvesting. illegal because they are in the jungle and they should harvest one and plant 3 in replacement but they don't do it because there's nobody watching them or controlling them in that case. that is why recycling paper is so important (at least for me).
Enjoyed the video! One thing you failed to mention was the amount (incredible) of energy (primarily in the form of diesel) consumed in providing the hole, drainage, retention ponds, roadways etc necessary to provide the receptacle in which to bury the non-recycled materials. This alone more than equals the fuel consumed to transport recycled goods. The equipment and support work for this seemingly simple operation is so often overlooked. It's astonishing.
It's goofy top level analysis like this that paint cloudy pictures of issues, but give great talking points. "Use logic"??? Where does DATA come in. If you're going to take any time to ask the question, take the time to answer it for crying out loud. Do you have ANY clue?
Recycling paper may use less energy and therefore produce less carbon emissions but there is an economic point you have overlooked, as demand for recycled paper rises the demand for virgin paper falls, at the moment most virgin paper comes from special sites that replace trees that they fell.
Now if demand for Virgin paper falls it becomes a less profitable business and the land that the trees are on could generate a better return if it was used for something else therfore the land will be cleared and used for smethin else(likely more polluting).
The bigger problem is in developing countries where deforestation occurs in order to make space for more profitable cash crop farming.
@soldier and @ uria Even if a paper mill is completely self sufficient, the bulldozers, cranes and other diesel engine machines are not. So your point about pieces of the trees being reused, although better than nothing still does not make it better than recycling.
The point about "IF" less trees are planted and "IF" that forest gets clear cut and "IF" something more polluting is put in its place, is relying too much on "What If's." One thing I am "SURE" of is "IF" people recycle paper, less CO2 is released into the atmosphere.
And you're point is....? They DO NOT replace the felled trees with the same species they felled. They replace old growth virgin hardwoods with fast growing scrub pines. What EXACTLY is you're "economic point"...that jobs are shifted from felling timber to recycling oriented jobs? Most pulp lumber is not solely cut for such purpose, but rather a side to first grade lumber cutting...even worse. You don't have a point...so just stop while you're behind.
However Recycling paper DOES use less energy than virgin papermaking, unfortunately this energy is FOSSIL FUEL DERIVED; whereas modern paper mills use the parts of the tree that cannot be used to make paper to create carbon neutral energy and many mills are self sufficient in this clean power (some even sell their excess energy to their national grid)
Recycling paper to save trees is like not eating bread to save wheat!
NO MODERN paper mill is self sufficient in regards to consumed power...NONE...not a single one, not even close. I've spent a good deal of my career in the industry...that's just not true. Many burn "black liquor", but that's really just to get rid of the stuff. Many power producer's sell back to the grid..there is a reason for that...surplus power. Difficult to explain here, but it's no different for any KW producer. Where did you hear this? Think brother...THINK...research.
Thank You Adam. Nice comparative presentation. I live in Central Maine now and hear the lumber trucks roaring by. Another problem with landfills is that even though the paper is recyclable, it may never get out of the plastic bag.
most paper is made on tree farms so therefore co2 neutral
also there is no proof that CO2 Methane cause global warming
finally H2O (Water) evaporating from the ocean is a greenhouse gases and makes up 99% of all green house gasses
jibby626 1 month ago
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jibby626 1 month ago
This guy is such an idiot recycling zealot!
The vast majority of trees used in paper production come from privately-owned tree farms that would not be growing those trees if it weren't for a strong demand for those trees. The claim that recycling paper saves trees is tantamount to arguing that eating less beef increases the cattle population.
Yeah, you gotta love those numb-skull recycling zealots.
romrell59 10 months ago
@romrell59 sir or miss, i don't know what country you live but as far as i know, the most used way to harvest trees is by illegal harvesting. illegal because they are in the jungle and they should harvest one and plant 3 in replacement but they don't do it because there's nobody watching them or controlling them in that case. that is why recycling paper is so important (at least for me).
LimonPower 10 months ago
Enjoyed the video! One thing you failed to mention was the amount (incredible) of energy (primarily in the form of diesel) consumed in providing the hole, drainage, retention ponds, roadways etc necessary to provide the receptacle in which to bury the non-recycled materials. This alone more than equals the fuel consumed to transport recycled goods. The equipment and support work for this seemingly simple operation is so often overlooked. It's astonishing.
74VDC 2 years ago
It's goofy top level analysis like this that paint cloudy pictures of issues, but give great talking points. "Use logic"??? Where does DATA come in. If you're going to take any time to ask the question, take the time to answer it for crying out loud. Do you have ANY clue?
trad4living 3 years ago
Recycling paper may use less energy and therefore produce less carbon emissions but there is an economic point you have overlooked, as demand for recycled paper rises the demand for virgin paper falls, at the moment most virgin paper comes from special sites that replace trees that they fell.
UriaHammonRaviel 3 years ago
As SOLDIERF1 has said.
Now if demand for Virgin paper falls it becomes a less profitable business and the land that the trees are on could generate a better return if it was used for something else therfore the land will be cleared and used for smethin else(likely more polluting).
The bigger problem is in developing countries where deforestation occurs in order to make space for more profitable cash crop farming.
UriaHammonRaviel 3 years ago
@soldier and @ uria Even if a paper mill is completely self sufficient, the bulldozers, cranes and other diesel engine machines are not. So your point about pieces of the trees being reused, although better than nothing still does not make it better than recycling.
RaflecRadiantBarrier 3 years ago
@soldier and @ uria
The point about "IF" less trees are planted and "IF" that forest gets clear cut and "IF" something more polluting is put in its place, is relying too much on "What If's." One thing I am "SURE" of is "IF" people recycle paper, less CO2 is released into the atmosphere.
RaflecRadiantBarrier 3 years ago
And you're point is....? They DO NOT replace the felled trees with the same species they felled. They replace old growth virgin hardwoods with fast growing scrub pines. What EXACTLY is you're "economic point"...that jobs are shifted from felling timber to recycling oriented jobs? Most pulp lumber is not solely cut for such purpose, but rather a side to first grade lumber cutting...even worse. You don't have a point...so just stop while you're behind.
74VDC 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
WHAT A LOAD OF UNEDUCATED NONSENSE :-(
Recyclng paper does not save trees, all trees felled to make paper come from carefully managed renewable forests.
In the US there are 20% more trees than 30 years ago because of this.
In the UK our forestry has more than doubled since the second world war.
Trees are an organic renewable, sustainable resource.
Recycling paper reduces the amount of trees planted and causes a great deal of pollution in de-inking and transportation.
SOLDIERF1 3 years ago
sorry about marking this as spam
UriaHammonRaviel 3 years ago
However Recycling paper DOES use less energy than virgin papermaking, unfortunately this energy is FOSSIL FUEL DERIVED; whereas modern paper mills use the parts of the tree that cannot be used to make paper to create carbon neutral energy and many mills are self sufficient in this clean power (some even sell their excess energy to their national grid)
Recycling paper to save trees is like not eating bread to save wheat!
Use more paper and plant bigger forests I say!
;-}
SOLDIERF1 3 years ago
NO MODERN paper mill is self sufficient in regards to consumed power...NONE...not a single one, not even close. I've spent a good deal of my career in the industry...that's just not true. Many burn "black liquor", but that's really just to get rid of the stuff. Many power producer's sell back to the grid..there is a reason for that...surplus power. Difficult to explain here, but it's no different for any KW producer. Where did you hear this? Think brother...THINK...research.
74VDC 2 years ago
Thank You Adam. Nice comparative presentation. I live in Central Maine now and hear the lumber trucks roaring by. Another problem with landfills is that even though the paper is recyclable, it may never get out of the plastic bag.
emilywhitmanleighton 3 years ago