9000m is approximately 31000 feet high. Which is right in the range of where commercial jets fly. The aircraft is a 737 NG flown by Virgin Blue Airlines. It is a contrail...as predicted by the Appelman graph.
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@abus777 Amen. Get off the couch, put down the herb (not knocking ganj., it just puts things into paranoiac 9th level, and all these guys are high as fuck), and do some REAL social rebellion. Work for green energy futures. They are all dumbed down by their selective self-affirmation media environment. Every thing that they want to see is available, so they choose it. It sucks vital energy from the real struggle against global warming. That's science. This is BULLSHIT!
First: a contrail is not the same as a visible breath on a cold day. The cloud you see when you breathe in cold air is made of (supercooled) waterdroplets.
Weatherballoons don't give perfect data. You only sample a very small point of the atmosphere and you can't even exactly say where the balloon is. Anyone who has seen clouds would know how much the atmosphere can differ over just a few meters.
A question to ask yourself. When was the last time you looked up at the sky and it was completely clear and deep blue in colour? Even if there are no white lines stretching from horizon to horizon what shade of blue is it? I look every day and I have not seen such a sky for over three years. To deny the reality of our altered skies is either complacent ignorance or some form of collusion.
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@allblue3 You are right.Our skies HAVE changed.The fine chemtrail aerosols dispersed by aircraft have made them much lighter with only a hint of blue.The same aerosols are also responsible for a noticeable haze around the sun and for a curious glow seen in the west horizon shortly after sundown
@allblue3 You must have zero education, or are just plain stupid. Your opinion is that the sky has changed color, so it has obviously now become fact for everyone? Or, do you have any PROOF, EVIDENCE (non-heresay), ANYTHING to prove otherwise? No. You don't. If you "did your research", as you punk brats always say, you would know that you are full of shit. That is a FACT. Not an opinion. An opinion is like this, "I think people like you really suck, damaging real dissidence."
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What is unbelievably dumb, is someone who thinks contrails and chemtrails are the same thing. Yes any idiot knows that contrails form at high altitudes and low temperatures. Chemtrails however, form at ANY altitude and at ANY temperature. There are 4 seasons where I live. Chemtrails form in ALL of them. Iv'e only been watching this anomaly for 10 years now. If they don't spray all night, my morning BLUE sky turns completely WHITE EVERY afternoon. This may be your memory of normal, but not mine!
Why would I waste my time in asking that people simply read for themselves instead of believing this hoax at face value.
I have nothing to gain or lose here pal, so it's obvious that I am betting on my training that you are wrong AND I am interested in helping you by pointing you in the right direction. If you feel I'm a crackpot, ignore me. I will continue to "suggest" that people learn this science.
I think you are very close to understanding the puzzle. But you stopped short on logic.
I have never called you a Crack Pot, nor a liar, you are obviously well educated in Air Traffic Controlling, Meteorology and probably a lot of other fields.
I have not presented my arguments here, I have listened to what you have had to say and I have rebutted your comments. All part of a healthy conversation.
Please do continue to suggest that people learn the science.
"I do not accept the explanation that the atmosphere can remain stable enough for trails to stretch for hundreds of kilometres but at the same time it is too unstable for atmospheric readings/soundings."
Who says it's too unstable for readings? BS
Remember that we are talking about differences in altitude, pressure, humidity form one area of the sky to another.
I thought that you were. Now I have no idea what your point is.
The Weather Sounding Data plotted on the Appleman Graph showed that an aircraft could not make a Contrail at that altitude. Not to mention basic Contrail Science.
I appreciate that you know more about Aircraft Traffic Controlling than I do, but I do not see how it is relevant to the Atmospheric Conditions required for a Contrail to form.
The Appleman graph is not etched in stone. It simply states that if you want to avoid leaving a trail, fly at these altitudes under these conditions. It's a guideline.
Air traffic explains why planes fly where they do and why the trails are different. Weather and air traffic are big keys to this puzzle.
I feel sad for the chemtrailers. They are so close to understanding why they are wrong.
How do clouds form and what allows them to linger for hours? PLEASE think about that.
I agree that the Appleman Graph is not etched in stone, however studies over a 40 year period found it to be 98% accurate at predicting contrails will not form.
Through studies it was found to be accurate. This is one of many trails that does not fit the Appleman Graph. If it was I would put it down to the 2% inaccuracy.
BTW, what altitude are you referring to? That altitude it was at, or what you think it's altitude was? You can't tell from the ground and many assumptions have to made about the planes origins.
You put a sinister spin on an image, yet you only speculate on the details. You make too many assumptions without allowing for margin of error in the variables.
I can judge distances with my eyes, thanks to parallax error. Not to mention I know how big an aircraft is in the sky. That Aircraft could have been no more than 3500m above sea level.
I can find no scientific publications that can explain how contrails can form at this height naturally.
Again, believe what you want to. Please don't try to sell me such crap.
I made a career out of this subject and you people fail so badly at this science thing.
Trails will form at the proper conditions. Whatever that altitude was, allowed for persistent contrails at that time.
Again, the atmosphere changes. If you cant understand that areas that allow for trails are near areas that don't allow for them and they mix, I can't help you.
You constantly talk as if you have 100% conclusive proof that Chemtrails do not exist, yet you have provided no new information to me on the subject of Contrail Formation.
You simply refer to anything I type as BS. I am not offended as that is your choice, and your personal opinion.
You have still failed to point out the missing variables or any other scientific data to back up your point.
I have tried in the past to help chemtrailers understand where they make their mistakes. And everytime it's the same thing, they call me a liar when I tell them my history and then they refuse to believe anything I write.
If you teach yourself with the correct sources, so you understand fact and not accept bullshit, you will have taught yourself a valuable lesson...don't believe everything you read on the internet!
You also completely leave out the importance of some simple aviation guidelines that actually result in the appearance that they are acting suspiciously. Air traffic control, weather avoidance, holding patterns, birds, turbulence. I'm sorry, I almost DO feel that I have 100% conclusive truth! I know this material and I know you are wrong. You won't allow me to help you because you will fight me on every issue. All I ask is you not take this hoax at its word and learn the science and aviation.
I have not left out the importance of simple aviation guidelines, or air traffic control, weather avoidance or the like as they have absolutely no bearing on the atmospheric conditions required for a Contrail to form.
I'm sorry, but the subjects are intertwined. Chemtrails supposedly involve aviation and 99% of the "chemtrail" videos make very basic mistakes in their assumptions of the behavior of the trails left by airplanes. I'm sorry, but aviation plays a role in the whole ridiculous chemtrail mess.
I disagree with your position that conditions conducive to persistent contrail creation "can not" exist where you say they can't Besides, I see no evidence as to how long that trail lasted. It's a contrail
About the aviation guidelines and other videos, I'm flattered that you feel that I can talk on behalf of all the "Chemtrail" video makers out there, but I probably haven't even watched half the videos you are talking about.
Also, I did point out the missing variables. You just refuse to "get it". That isn't my problem.
All I ask is a few minutes of your time in the correct area of any meteorology book in your local library.
I think, you think, that variations in the atmosphere happen on a very small scale and I say that you can have "bubbles" of air that flow for miles in all directions.
I don't think you understand the importance of "weather fronts", the layering of our atmosphere, and thermal activity.
The missing variables you point out are the exact variables that have been taken into consideration, you merely pointed out the fact that they can change readily, which I agree.
The point that I am making is that according to Contrail Science, Contrails do not form regularly at such low altitudes.
Have new fuels been introduced, excessive pollution in the atmosphere, or is it Weather Modification (Cloud Seeding, etc)? I do not know.
Anything and everything that claims "chemtrails" are real and that they contain nefarious chemicals, purposely put there to cause human beings harm. THAT is a complete lie perpetuated by those who don't bother to understand contrails, sublimation, meteorology, physics, aviation navigation and so-on. It's a ridiculous lie presented by those who are too lazy to do the research from a NON-paranoid perspective.
This video makes no claims on there being any chemicals in these trails, nor does it claim any health effects whatsoever.
I merely point out the fact that the aircraft is too low for a contrail to form according to all the science available.
According to Contrail Science that was not a contrail.
What it is I do not know.
I merely refer to it as a "Chemtrail" because that is a name mentioned in the US Air Force document "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025".
And don't try to deny that you are perpetuating this silly myth by posting this as a video response to a ridiculous "chemtrail" video.
You people leave so many variables about the atmosphere out of this equation. It's actually quite sad the chemtrailers know that they are able to understand the science of weather by simply looking up into the sky while people who actually care about this subject spend years learning about the many variables that explain what happens to trails and clouds.
According to NASA the variables involved in Contrail Formation are Relative Humidity, Atmospheric Pressure, Air Temperature & the Exhaust Temperature.
"They" (you included it seems) miss the variation of the variables. The atmosphere isn't just one temperature or humidity for as far as the eye can see. It acts like a liquid and is constantly churning and changing. Thermal activity and weather front movement change the atmosphere dynamically. These facts aren't taken into account when "they" make their asinine conclusions.
This process explains how some planes don't leave trails and why there are gaps in some trails.
I accept that the atmosphere is turbulent and it is a fluid, and therefore it has liquid like properties.
I do not accept the explanation that the atmosphere can remain stable enough for trails to stretch for hundreds of kilometres but at the same time it is too unstable for atmospheric readings/soundings.
I Have read the posts of some that say things like "it's 100 degrees out and low humidity, how can a plane leave a trail!?! Now I know it's all true". That's a huge mistake when one hasn't learned how the atmosphere is constantly changing and how the air on the ground is NOT comparable to the air at altitude in ANY way. Honestly, I'm not going to teach the lazy what they should have learned before the 6th grade. Condensation occurs where the conditions are right and not where they are wrong.
Do you also agree that there are thousands of "layers" (obviously not in the classic sense because of the turbulent nature) within the atmosphere? Areas that will support persistent contrails within 1000's of feet of areas that will not support persistent contrails?
I'm a bit confused, you seem to be a chemtrailer yet you do seem to agree with the facts in the matter.
Well, maybe you are on a quest for truth. If /when you find it, please share it with everyone.
Do you also understand air traffic control and the rules about safe distance in all directions? Do you understand the concept of corridors in air traffic? Do you understand the many reasons why an airplane will take a turn over any populated/unpopulated area? Do you understand the reasons why one plane might cross the trail of another plane?
See, these are more variables that the average person on the ground may not understand. They come to UNEDUCATED conclusions about what they "see".
with a good camera u can easily see detailed planes over 9000m.
also, if this plane is actually below 9000m, why can't it make a contrail? because the weather balloon says it cant? a weather balloon only samples a tiny amount of sky at given time intervals, u cant take one tiny amount of sky and say the rest of the sky is like that. the atmosphere isnt uniform. and anyways, what makes the picture non-contrail worthy? its looks like normal exhaust condensing? wheres the chemical nozzle hey?
I agree that the atmosphere isn't uniform, which is why I do not understand how "Contrails" can form that stretch from Horizon to Horizon. Every 100m patch is different. Hence why Contrails Dissipate readily. The trails photographed lasted hours.
According to the Science on Contrails, Contrails usually form over 8000m above Sea Level. Contrails can form below this, if the weather conditions permit (as illustrated in the video) but are very rare in cold climates and unheard of in warm climates.
With a $2 camera and a $5,000,000 Lens, I could take awesome photographs of Satellites, but with a 300mm Lens on a Canon EOS 350d Digital Camera, I can't take photographs of Aircraft in that detail at even 8000m.
sure the atmosphere isnt always uniform, but it can vary with stability. a contrail from horizon to horizon just means there a layer of consistant high humidity. 1000ft above or below could be different. a patchy contrail means the air is quite un-stable with different pockets of air. trying to dictate wheather the conditions favour contrails by weather balloons isnt always accurate. the contrails themselves are the best sign of upper atmosphere moisture and stability. sailors use them.
So what your saying is that the weather can be stable enough for Trails to stretch for Hundreds of Kilometres, but even on those same days, it is too unstable to take a reading with a Weather Balloon?
I'm curious as to how Contrails help sailors to navigate? As Contrails can form in a fairly large range of conditions, what would they learn? Aside from the wind direction up there?
Clouds would be a far better aid to determining atmospheric moisture and stability.
a weather balloon samples a fraction of the sky. just because it says 25% humidity doesnt mean the whole sky that day is 25% humidity and contrails can't form. stabilty is about the change and activity in the air, not about if its stable or not to take a weather balloon up.
how contrails can help sailors? well, a short contrail indicates dry upper air which means a low probability of weather on the way. persisting contrails would mean alot of moistrue aloft which means a system is probably on the way. clouds do help aswell. cirru-stratus usually means approaching weather. contrails are exactly like cirrus though, so they help just as much.
also u might not beaware of 'Aerodynamic Contrails'. these can happen below normal engine exhaust contrails - even on final approach sometimes but much shorter. the lifitng surfaces of a plane can create alot of low pressure in certain low pressure conditions. low pressure creates low temp which can create condensation. so it isnt always the rare cold climates where contrails form below the expected altutude.
Thanks, but I am already aware of 'Aerodynamic Contrails' and the fact that NASA refer to them as "Contrail Like Phenomena" and not actually as Contrails Themselves.
'Aerodynamic Contrails' are visible in the photographs we are discussing, as the thin white lines originating at the wing tips.
'Aerodynamic Contrails' as you said, readily occur at all altitudes and in all climates. They do not explain the long thick "Streamer" like "Clouds" in the Video.
haha, 'it reads that contrails will only form over 9000m'....9000m is over 29,700ft...whats the big deal? this virgin 737-800 can cruise up to FL410 (12424m)
let alone getting the height stuff wrong, weather balloons only sample a tiny amount of air, it could be in 25% humidity while 1000ft above it it could be 100%, really bad mis-informed video. its vapor freezing into ice...chill out chemtrailers lol.
Contrails can form at any Height, Provided the Right Atmospheric Conditions are met. On this day, that height was approx 9000m above sea level.
I agree that the 737-800, not to mention most (if not all commercial jets) can fly at 12,000m. Your Point? Most cars can travel over 200kmph, but they aren't when you see them on the street.
This Aircraft could not possibly be over 9000m in Height. If it was, it would have been far, far smaller in the photograph, with far less detail turning out.
unlike cars, planes are designed to be efficient at the peak of performance (high speed and altitude) ur comparison to cars doesnt relate. planes are designed to go high and fast so they do and can. cars CAN go 200kmph, but are they really really designed to? can they rip through town at 200kph and not hit a person? can they take a sharp turn at 200kph? do they get good fuel burn at 200kph? nope.
well u must be mistaken or making something up, because if that plane was 10km's away on approach it would be in full landing configuration at 2000-3000ft or so. 10kms is 6 miles. the 'IAF' or 'FAF' is usually 15-20 miles out. why isnt this plane at full flap and gear down? i cant take ur height judgement as legit, even pilots can't judge altitude perfectly, especially when the background is clear blue. this 737 is proably using williamtown as a navaid along its course.
i actually dont agree and didn't agree its below 8000m and it is a standard jet exhaust, any ways, that aside...apart from persistency can u please explain what is different about it? what makes it a chemtrail? if u took a close up of a short contrail and a close up of a persistent and cropped it, they would look identical. u cant just say its a chemtrail because it persists, no one can/shouldn't deny contrails can persist, look at cirrus cloud. what is it then thats so different?
I have used the word "Chemtrail" because that seems to be the popular term. I prefer "Streamer Cloud" as that is what it resembles more.
"Chemtrails" often have an oily sheen to them when in front of the sun.
I do not deny that Contrails can Persist. I have watched them persist for 10 maybe 20 minutes at a time.
You can not deny that the Guinness Book of World Records lists the longest Persistent Contrail as lasting for approx 40minutes. These "Streamer Clouds" usually last for hours.
care to share where u found that guinness record? i highly deny that, sounds like made up garbage to me. persisting contrails over 40 mins have been observed when high alt jet flight first started. WW2,50's,60's...etc present day, they have always been around, because weather is weather, it doesnt change it's laws over time. an 'oily sheen' is a rainbow effect and is a product of light and vapor. thats why when u face ur back to the sun and spray a fine mist with a hose u will see a rainbow.
Rainbow's make a perfect transition of Colour from Red to Green to Blue to Indigo to Violet, also know as RGBIV.
Oils make a swirling pattern of all different colours. They look different because they are different.
Water will always refract water into a Rainbow, sometimes into a Circumzenithal Arc or Upside Down Rainbow, but it will always make a Rainbow, never an Oily Sheen.
2WayFM quoted the Guinness World Record on Contrails.
The airplane in this vid is clearly a Virgin Airlines 737-800. No commercial airliner is outfitted with additional equipment (like nozzles etc.). Cloud/fog/contrail formation is based on relative humidity, which is a measure of how much moisture the air can hold, which is dependant on temperature. Low temp air up at 30,000' where airliners cruise cannot hold hardly any moisture, so the moisture in the jet exhaust immediately becomes visible moisture- cloud/contrail.
I recently was at an airport where the air temp out side was around 0 degree farenhieght. I saw a few jets with pretty short contrails at a relativly low altitude. My guess was they were about 5ooo feet.
I'm not sure what your point is. There is a photograph in this Video illustrating a Contrail forming on a Landing Jet Aircraft.
The Aircraft you saw may have looked to be 5000 feet above the ground, what was their elevation above Sea Level? That is far more important than elevation above the Ground.
Newcastle is only 6m above Sea Level. Many airports around the world are well above sea level. The Temperature here in Newcastle Australia Never drops to 0 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Great vid, It's obvious what's going on, governments have admitted to spraying over populations before without their knowledge, what makes people think they've changed and started caring?
Sooner or later people will have to take notice, when illness like Morgellons, starts making people sick then what choice will they have but to be a part of It and take notice, but why wait till then.
We have a right to know who's flying those planes and why.
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The frigid air at 30,000' does not have the ability to hold wator vapour like warmer air closer to earth does. So when the moisture in the engine exhaust is added to this air it immediately saturates the air becoming visible moisture (cloud). Jet exhaust is making these contrails all over the world as we speak.
The people here do not understand meteorology and probably dismiss me as working for a govt instead of googling to see that what I say is science. Paranoia is a fun pastime apparently?
That's great, but the Aircraft photographed was well under 30,000'. As stated in the video.
So many people simply quote "Basic Contrail Science" and seem to think it disproves this. My understanding of Contrail Science is why I am curious about this Phenomena, as these trails do not fit into the characteristics of Contrails.
These are an Aerosol Emission of some description. That is not paranoia, but science, as even Standard Contrails are formed by an Aerosol, ie Soot from the Jet Exhaust.
If you live anywhere in the Sacramento California area and pay a little attention you will see jets leaving these trails constantly. Its pretty easy to see since we have constantly clear skies except for these trails which they constantly spray in the surrounding counties for some reason!
I've heard chemtrails,among other reasons,are to spread an electromagnetic 'soup' across the whole world(except China) so help electro mind-control people,and benefit the effects of TETRA handsets,GPS,and RFID masts(these all over frequency and interrupt the brain waves until they bounce in 'entrainment'),and are all forms of mind control. The planned microchip will be used off the GPS satellite/frequency.
You people have completely lost your marbles- and my goal is not to insult you!!! I feel bad for you guys all buying this stuff invented by paranoid looneys...
electromagnetic soup for electro-mind control... TETRA, interrupting brain frequency waves?
I watch because I am curious how people could be led to believe that these contrails we've seen in the sky for decades are now suddenly chemtrails. I comment because I understand meteorology and humidity and dewpoint.
In 2001 I actually was deceived by this stuff and was fearing the "chemtrails" that I'd see overhead. I was into all kinds of conspiracy theory stuff. It was miserable!
Now that I know meteorology I am trying to explain to people how it works.
Yeah actually I don't find it hard to understand since I've been there so I don't know why I typed that in response to you (I'm not here to try to "be right" so I don't mind saying that). But anyway, since I once believed it and now know how contrails are formed it would be unkind to stay silent here while these people are needlessly paranoid out of their mind like I was in the end of 2001.
If there is actual proof I would LOVE to see it- honestly! I'm not here to be right/smarter/insulting.
I didn't start out being insulting to these people either, but after time, their ignorance leaves a terrible taste in my mouth and I can't help but be unusually elated at the fact that they are so ignorant.
I like how you say it isn't about being "right" or "smarter". It's about a complete lack of evidence and huge heaping helping of ignorance.
REAL eduction is the key to the puzzle the chemtrailers have found themselves in.
I'm sorry that you feel the best way to cure ignorance is with Insults. Or have you come to enjoy people's ignorance to the point you would prefer to insult them, than have a civil conversation.
It was my research into Meteorology that confirmed the existence of these Chemtrails.
I hold no belief system however, so if I am presented with evidence that changes my perspective on the facts, then I'll know that Chemtrails do not exist.
I've tried to help these people with several different styles and the chemtrailers all resort to lies and accusations. I no longer actually care to help. I freely admit that I feel a smug superiority because I understand where these pathetic numskulls make their ridiculous mistakes.
Your research wasn't thorough. I know this for a fact.
Again, ignore me if you want to. I'm just putting my perspective out there to counter the paranoid bullshit machine.
StratMatt777, like you I am not here to prove myself right, nor smarter.
I also appreciate that you are trying to give piece of mind to others. Rest assured I am not fearful, nor worried about these "Chemtrails" even if they are full of Barium, Aluminium, Virii or even Nanobots.
I do ask a favor that you please do explain how Contrails can form regularly in Atmospheric Conditions that are Unfavorable to Contrail Formation. As I have found no explanation in any text book or website.
"explain how Contrails can form regularly in Atmospheric Conditions that are Unfavorable to Contrail Formation"
They can't. The conditions were favorable to contrail formation and you are wrong about your assertion that they couldn't have existed at that altitude. They were there, there is no such thing as chemtrails, so the plane was leaving a contrail. Simple.
You have NO PROOF that anything else happened.
To be a chemtrailer is to have zero proof and 100% faith in other chemtrailers.
You again make assumptions UninterestedNU, and make claims based on your opinions not on fact.
All my Photographs have been uploaded to photobucket, and they demonstrate that the trail lasted for well over an hour, maybe longer I couldn't tell as it blew out to sea.
That however is not the issue. The issue here is that you do not believe the evidence, which is your prerogative. I concede that it is not the greatest evidence, but it is the best that I can offer via video.
The whole trail blew out to sea huh? One huge, shifting area of the sky stayed in your sight while a trail, INSIDE that air mass, remained, intact. VERY interesting if you ask me. How far did this air mass travel while in your sight? I'll bet that answer would also be VERY interesting.
If that is your proof, it was a Contrail, because Chemtrail's do not exist, your logic is flawed.
Lack of existence of Chemtrails does not prove favorable atmospheric conditions. You can choose to believe that I am mistaken about the altitude or that the Weather Sounding Data was inaccurate or wrong, but you can not state that I have no proof.
You yourself have agreed with my reasoning, you only disagree with my assertions of the conditions and/ or elevation.
UninterestedNU please go to my channel find my website go to the website click technology and then chemtrails and look at "Chemtrails Air On German TV" you will find a document where the German Airforce admits spraying (chemtrails), comprised of fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals. This is going on worldwide and it is very harmfull to humans, animals and the envoirment. You can continue to live in your little bubble of ignorance or you can face up to truth..
You are stupid for accepting that as proof that there are extra chemicals in our atmosphere and airplanes put the there and that white trails in the sky contain anything other than exhaust gas and water vapor.
There would be no need to disrupt radar signals over our own country.
Your missing the point. First off, this is main stream media and its "admitted". Are you so brainwashed that even if they tell you they are doing it, you still don't think its happening?? The Radar blocking was just an excuse the milatary used to explain the metals in the air. They said it was a war game exercise. Did you read it or just glance and go back to your orignal thought "no cant be real" end of story!!! I never waste time trying to save someone that can't take time to research truth.
Fluoride, in the doses we are subjected to, are of little consequence.
Enjoy your life...as a pussy!
Too much of ANYTHING will kill ya! Even sugar or salt. Everything in moderation!
But you idiots would rather let your teeth rot out instead on ingesting a small amount of harmless fluoride. Also, you are talking about it being in water, not just taking it as is.
Your body processes it differently in suspension.
Is there ANY subject that you paranoid nuts DON'T get completely wrong?!?
Fluoride is added to the water and is also not filtered when everyone spits their toothpaste down the sink increasing the amount in the water. Its industrial waste, (fluosilicic acid), "scrubbed" from Florida phosphate fertilizer smokestacks. It is not safe in small doses at all. Look at the back of toothpaste in US and it will tell you if swallowed contact poison control. I do not drink or use fluoridated water or toothpaste and my teeth are white. Have you never heard of Dental Fluorosis?
Of course I have. What does that have to do with anything?!
Everything in moderation, I always say.
If it wasn't safe in small doses, we'd all be "suffering", wouldn't we be?!
Give me a break .Some people are more susceptible to injury with even SMALL doses, just as with sugar.
You pathetic alarmists with your paranoid, ignorant drivel are so humorous! Even though I have ingested fluoride, along with all of my peers, I suffer no ill effects.
By the way, anus, I'm here to discuss your paranoid, ignorant views of contrails. Not your alarmist paranoid and ignorant views on fluoride or diet soda. I also don't care about your views on religion, inoculations, 2012, Illuminati, lizard men, Nibiru or any other ridiculous notion or paranoid belief.
I only care about your ridiculous and uneducated views about contrails. And I only care enough about them to laugh when you post your ridiculous, ignorant drivel about subjects you never study.
It seems to me you are surrering the effects as you continue to trust what you have been told about fluroide. And you resort to name calling when you don't get your own way...You can't be helped so I won't respond anymore...
Your a fooking idiot...WHY DEFEND A SYSTEM THAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND...its like defending a murderer in court, being adament that he is innocent, and it turns out he is guilty...your a sheep, a puppet on a string, someone who doesnt understand what he is defending...its like you take it as a personal attack...its funny how you call people "pussy" when in reality your not more than a geek...is it your job to reply to anyone who talks bad against the government? YOU PATSY
You keep thinking you have it all figured out and I'll keep knowing that it's your ignorance that makes you paranoid.
You are obviously much more susceptible to falling for paranoid bullshit than I am.
It is a personal attack. You are slandering a profession that I love. I don't really CARE. I'm just here to tell you that I don't agree. And I'm here to suggest to those "on the fence" on this issue, that they take some time to learn the basics before jumping to stupid conclusions.
Your here to attack, call people paranoid, try and sway sheep...at the end of the day you know nothing about this...your not privy to any government operation, so therefore your conclusions on this are irrelevant...lets get it right, these chemtrails (which over-cast the sky, once its been bombarded over a few hours), were not present 10 years ago, and to blame them on weather conditions is the funniest thing iv ever heard...I seen chemtrails being sprayed at 8pm last week, when it was cold
A complete lack of evidence proves you wrong, on every level.
I grew up on a path 30 miles west of Logan International. These trails existed when I was a boy in the 70's. maybe there were no air routes over your house when you were a boy, but there are now. It's all part of increased air travel.
You are ignorant.
Please learn about jet engines, and weather fronts.
Then learn how they react with each other.
Or, remain ignorant.
I don't care. But, I will call you on stupid lies.
Lack of evidence? Your on youtube, you idiot, there's literally HUNDREDS of videos showing these strange contrails in the sky, WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE CONCERNED? Im sorry to say, but your wrong on this one, your college degree is irrelevant as far as government operations go...why dont you make a video debunking chemtrails, instead of making stupid excuses, like weather conditions (humidity), when they werent around 10 years ago
Youtube videos are NOT evidence! They are made by OTHER morons that don't knoe shit about aviation or meteorology.
YOU accept them as "proof". I do not.
Every trail I have seen in every video on youtube has been a simple contrail.
A fuel dump or water for fire suppression and occasionally another odd "dumping" but "spraying" is not happening through jet engines. That is ridiculous.
I'm sorry, I am right about this. Your youtube education is irrelevant as far as the truth goes.
"why dont you make a video debunking chemtrails, instead of making stupid excuses, like weather conditions (humidity), when they werent around 10 years ago"
Persistent contrails have been around since airplanes have been able fly at such altitudes. Your ignorance of THAT fact doesn't change the the fact, that it's a fact.
I know you think you are right, I'm fine with that and don't wish to debate your delusions.
HAHAH your the fooking dope...you think jet exhaust fumes, which is mainly water, could cause such trails across the sky...HAHAH, you idiot! END OF DEBATE
Keep thinking you understand all the variables, and I'll keep laughing at you complete morons.
You leave out so much simply because you haven't studied the subjects. You leave out pressure, the type of engine, the role of the sun, temperature and humidity fluctuations, air traffic control, radio navigation amd so much more. The puzzle is large, your knowledge, less than adequate.
You incapable of understanding this because you don't have the facts.
You cant tell the difference between jet engine exhaust fumes (which is mainly water, so last no more than 20 mins, usually only a couple of minutes), and blatent spraying...dont give me bullshit about weather conditions or air pressure, nobody buys that BS...you must be retarded fighting this corner, its just silly
"nobody buys that BS...you must be retarded fighting this corner, its just silly "
Hehe, I'm sure nobody YOU have encountered sides with me.
LOL!
But, trust me, the way I see things is the norm, you are part of the lunatic fringe simply because you refuse to properly educated yourself in these subjects.
And the fact that it seems silly to you has no bearing on it's truthfulness. I understand persistent contrails. You do not. The end.
"HAHAH your the fooking dope...you think jet exhaust fumes, which is mainly water, could cause such trails across the sky...HAHAH, you idiot! END OF DEBATE"
Ok, so the chemicals that are supposedly in the trails have the ability to spread out, but a frozen aerosol WON'T spread out in air?! OK, got it!
Have you seen the videos on youtube (since YOU look at youtube as evidence) of people throwing boiling water into air that around -40? Yeah, that doens't look ANYTHING like a contrail!
john, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Either you're deliberately ignorant, or you have something to gain out of propagating childish conspiracy theories. If chemtrails ARE true (which they obviously aren't) then it's the most widespread, well-guarded conspiracy in the history of human existence. Wake up and smell the AvTur, you're locked in a sad fantasy world.
Why is it that NO SCIENTIST BELIEVES IN CHEMTRAILS? Because they are not real. I fucking hate these Alex JonesDrones. It is good to be skeptical of the Government, but you need to fill the blanks in with something real, not something that "fits" because it "convinces you"; Something that is proven and real. They don't understand anything! The worst citizens, because they could be the dissidents, but have no credibility. You can't protest Iraq and talk about this BS at once and convince anyone.
Great, let's talk DATA (missing in every "chemtrail" vid).
Present the data that describes these unfavorable conditions to contrail formation...the temperature, pressure, and humidity at the altitude the contrails are observed, along with the footage of the contrails. The footage must have a timestamp that falls within the valid time period on the weather data. Observations are better than forecasts, but if that's all you can get, we could verify it after the fact based on observations.
9000m is approximately 31000 feet high. Which is right in the range of where commercial jets fly. The aircraft is a 737 NG flown by Virgin Blue Airlines. It is a contrail...as predicted by the Appelman graph.
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awokenamerican 1 year ago
People like you don't deserve an explanation, so I will just leave it at
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Snap out of it and go get a life.
abus777 2 years ago
@abus777 Amen. Get off the couch, put down the herb (not knocking ganj., it just puts things into paranoiac 9th level, and all these guys are high as fuck), and do some REAL social rebellion. Work for green energy futures. They are all dumbed down by their selective self-affirmation media environment. Every thing that they want to see is available, so they choose it. It sucks vital energy from the real struggle against global warming. That's science. This is BULLSHIT!
newmanfrigan 10 months ago
@newmanfrigan chemtrails are real, its aluminium and barium... your in denial.. its normal.
hearv888 3 months ago
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josephcderer 2 years ago
First: a contrail is not the same as a visible breath on a cold day. The cloud you see when you breathe in cold air is made of (supercooled) waterdroplets.
Weatherballoons don't give perfect data. You only sample a very small point of the atmosphere and you can't even exactly say where the balloon is. Anyone who has seen clouds would know how much the atmosphere can differ over just a few meters.
unusmultorumm 2 years ago
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loveresurrection 2 years ago
A question to ask yourself. When was the last time you looked up at the sky and it was completely clear and deep blue in colour? Even if there are no white lines stretching from horizon to horizon what shade of blue is it? I look every day and I have not seen such a sky for over three years. To deny the reality of our altered skies is either complacent ignorance or some form of collusion.
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awokenamerican 1 year ago
@allblue3 You are right.Our skies HAVE changed.The fine chemtrail aerosols dispersed by aircraft have made them much lighter with only a hint of blue.The same aerosols are also responsible for a noticeable haze around the sun and for a curious glow seen in the west horizon shortly after sundown
IwontConform 1 year ago
@allblue3 You must have zero education, or are just plain stupid. Your opinion is that the sky has changed color, so it has obviously now become fact for everyone? Or, do you have any PROOF, EVIDENCE (non-heresay), ANYTHING to prove otherwise? No. You don't. If you "did your research", as you punk brats always say, you would know that you are full of shit. That is a FACT. Not an opinion. An opinion is like this, "I think people like you really suck, damaging real dissidence."
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BlueSkiesWhiteLies 2 years ago
What is unbelievably dumb, is someone who thinks contrails and chemtrails are the same thing. Yes any idiot knows that contrails form at high altitudes and low temperatures. Chemtrails however, form at ANY altitude and at ANY temperature. There are 4 seasons where I live. Chemtrails form in ALL of them. Iv'e only been watching this anomaly for 10 years now. If they don't spray all night, my morning BLUE sky turns completely WHITE EVERY afternoon. This may be your memory of normal, but not mine!
URAterrorist 2 years ago
Why would I waste my time in asking that people simply read for themselves instead of believing this hoax at face value.
I have nothing to gain or lose here pal, so it's obvious that I am betting on my training that you are wrong AND I am interested in helping you by pointing you in the right direction. If you feel I'm a crackpot, ignore me. I will continue to "suggest" that people learn this science.
I think you are very close to understanding the puzzle. But you stopped short on logic.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I have never called you a Crack Pot, nor a liar, you are obviously well educated in Air Traffic Controlling, Meteorology and probably a lot of other fields.
I have not presented my arguments here, I have listened to what you have had to say and I have rebutted your comments. All part of a healthy conversation.
Please do continue to suggest that people learn the science.
Knowledge conquers Ignorance
SentientSight 3 years ago
I signed the petition. The sooner someone is able to help you people, the better.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
"I do not accept the explanation that the atmosphere can remain stable enough for trails to stretch for hundreds of kilometres but at the same time it is too unstable for atmospheric readings/soundings."
Who says it's too unstable for readings? BS
Remember that we are talking about differences in altitude, pressure, humidity form one area of the sky to another.
It's all relative.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I thought that you were. Now I have no idea what your point is.
The Weather Sounding Data plotted on the Appleman Graph showed that an aircraft could not make a Contrail at that altitude. Not to mention basic Contrail Science.
I appreciate that you know more about Aircraft Traffic Controlling than I do, but I do not see how it is relevant to the Atmospheric Conditions required for a Contrail to form.
SentientSight 3 years ago
The Appleman graph is not etched in stone. It simply states that if you want to avoid leaving a trail, fly at these altitudes under these conditions. It's a guideline.
Air traffic explains why planes fly where they do and why the trails are different. Weather and air traffic are big keys to this puzzle.
I feel sad for the chemtrailers. They are so close to understanding why they are wrong.
How do clouds form and what allows them to linger for hours? PLEASE think about that.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I agree that the Appleman Graph is not etched in stone, however studies over a 40 year period found it to be 98% accurate at predicting contrails will not form.
Through studies it was found to be accurate. This is one of many trails that does not fit the Appleman Graph. If it was I would put it down to the 2% inaccuracy.
SentientSight 3 years ago
BTW, what altitude are you referring to? That altitude it was at, or what you think it's altitude was? You can't tell from the ground and many assumptions have to made about the planes origins.
You put a sinister spin on an image, yet you only speculate on the details. You make too many assumptions without allowing for margin of error in the variables.
You are so close to understanding! Don't give up!
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I can judge distances with my eyes, thanks to parallax error. Not to mention I know how big an aircraft is in the sky. That Aircraft could have been no more than 3500m above sea level.
I can find no scientific publications that can explain how contrails can form at this height naturally.
SentientSight 3 years ago
"I can judge distances with my eyes..."
Bullshit!
Again, believe what you want to. Please don't try to sell me such crap.
I made a career out of this subject and you people fail so badly at this science thing.
Trails will form at the proper conditions. Whatever that altitude was, allowed for persistent contrails at that time.
Again, the atmosphere changes. If you cant understand that areas that allow for trails are near areas that don't allow for them and they mix, I can't help you.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
You constantly talk as if you have 100% conclusive proof that Chemtrails do not exist, yet you have provided no new information to me on the subject of Contrail Formation.
You simply refer to anything I type as BS. I am not offended as that is your choice, and your personal opinion.
You have still failed to point out the missing variables or any other scientific data to back up your point.
SentientSight 3 years ago
So, you want me to teach you? No, you are lazy!
I have tried in the past to help chemtrailers understand where they make their mistakes. And everytime it's the same thing, they call me a liar when I tell them my history and then they refuse to believe anything I write.
If you teach yourself with the correct sources, so you understand fact and not accept bullshit, you will have taught yourself a valuable lesson...don't believe everything you read on the internet!
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
You also completely leave out the importance of some simple aviation guidelines that actually result in the appearance that they are acting suspiciously. Air traffic control, weather avoidance, holding patterns, birds, turbulence. I'm sorry, I almost DO feel that I have 100% conclusive truth! I know this material and I know you are wrong. You won't allow me to help you because you will fight me on every issue. All I ask is you not take this hoax at its word and learn the science and aviation.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I have not left out the importance of simple aviation guidelines, or air traffic control, weather avoidance or the like as they have absolutely no bearing on the atmospheric conditions required for a Contrail to form.
Stop changing the topic.
SentientSight 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but the subjects are intertwined. Chemtrails supposedly involve aviation and 99% of the "chemtrail" videos make very basic mistakes in their assumptions of the behavior of the trails left by airplanes. I'm sorry, but aviation plays a role in the whole ridiculous chemtrail mess.
I disagree with your position that conditions conducive to persistent contrail creation "can not" exist where you say they can't Besides, I see no evidence as to how long that trail lasted. It's a contrail
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I haven't said that they can't happen there. The science says that.
SentientSight 3 years ago
About the aviation guidelines and other videos, I'm flattered that you feel that I can talk on behalf of all the "Chemtrail" video makers out there, but I probably haven't even watched half the videos you are talking about.
Once again you change the topic.
SentientSight 3 years ago
I do not want you to teach me anything.
I would like you to provide your conclusive proof.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Also, I did point out the missing variables. You just refuse to "get it". That isn't my problem.
All I ask is a few minutes of your time in the correct area of any meteorology book in your local library.
I think, you think, that variations in the atmosphere happen on a very small scale and I say that you can have "bubbles" of air that flow for miles in all directions.
I don't think you understand the importance of "weather fronts", the layering of our atmosphere, and thermal activity.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
The missing variables you point out are the exact variables that have been taken into consideration, you merely pointed out the fact that they can change readily, which I agree.
The point that I am making is that according to Contrail Science, Contrails do not form regularly at such low altitudes.
Have new fuels been introduced, excessive pollution in the atmosphere, or is it Weather Modification (Cloud Seeding, etc)? I do not know.
SentientSight 3 years ago
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UninterestedNU 3 years ago
Such bullshit. How dare you people spread these insane lies without first getting a single fact straight.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
Please explain what insane lies?
SentientSight 3 years ago
Anything and everything that claims "chemtrails" are real and that they contain nefarious chemicals, purposely put there to cause human beings harm. THAT is a complete lie perpetuated by those who don't bother to understand contrails, sublimation, meteorology, physics, aviation navigation and so-on. It's a ridiculous lie presented by those who are too lazy to do the research from a NON-paranoid perspective.
All "chemtrails" are, IN FACT, contrails.
Atmospheric conditions are the key here.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
This video makes no claims on there being any chemicals in these trails, nor does it claim any health effects whatsoever.
I merely point out the fact that the aircraft is too low for a contrail to form according to all the science available.
According to Contrail Science that was not a contrail.
What it is I do not know.
I merely refer to it as a "Chemtrail" because that is a name mentioned in the US Air Force document "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025".
SentientSight 3 years ago
Yeah sure. You chemtrail people tarnish the reputation of thousands of Aviation Professionals with your accusations based on ignorance.
Whatever.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
And don't try to deny that you are perpetuating this silly myth by posting this as a video response to a ridiculous "chemtrail" video.
You people leave so many variables about the atmosphere out of this equation. It's actually quite sad the chemtrailers know that they are able to understand the science of weather by simply looking up into the sky while people who actually care about this subject spend years learning about the many variables that explain what happens to trails and clouds.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
According to NASA the variables involved in Contrail Formation are Relative Humidity, Atmospheric Pressure, Air Temperature & the Exhaust Temperature.
Which variables have they missed?
SentientSight 3 years ago
No, no, no....
"They" (you included it seems) miss the variation of the variables. The atmosphere isn't just one temperature or humidity for as far as the eye can see. It acts like a liquid and is constantly churning and changing. Thermal activity and weather front movement change the atmosphere dynamically. These facts aren't taken into account when "they" make their asinine conclusions.
This process explains how some planes don't leave trails and why there are gaps in some trails.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I accept that the atmosphere is turbulent and it is a fluid, and therefore it has liquid like properties.
I do not accept the explanation that the atmosphere can remain stable enough for trails to stretch for hundreds of kilometres but at the same time it is too unstable for atmospheric readings/soundings.
SentientSight 3 years ago
I Have read the posts of some that say things like "it's 100 degrees out and low humidity, how can a plane leave a trail!?! Now I know it's all true". That's a huge mistake when one hasn't learned how the atmosphere is constantly changing and how the air on the ground is NOT comparable to the air at altitude in ANY way. Honestly, I'm not going to teach the lazy what they should have learned before the 6th grade. Condensation occurs where the conditions are right and not where they are wrong.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I agree totally with this comment and I feel the same way.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Do you also agree that there are thousands of "layers" (obviously not in the classic sense because of the turbulent nature) within the atmosphere? Areas that will support persistent contrails within 1000's of feet of areas that will not support persistent contrails?
I'm a bit confused, you seem to be a chemtrailer yet you do seem to agree with the facts in the matter.
Well, maybe you are on a quest for truth. If /when you find it, please share it with everyone.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
Do you also understand air traffic control and the rules about safe distance in all directions? Do you understand the concept of corridors in air traffic? Do you understand the many reasons why an airplane will take a turn over any populated/unpopulated area? Do you understand the reasons why one plane might cross the trail of another plane?
See, these are more variables that the average person on the ground may not understand. They come to UNEDUCATED conclusions about what they "see".
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
with a good camera u can easily see detailed planes over 9000m.
also, if this plane is actually below 9000m, why can't it make a contrail? because the weather balloon says it cant? a weather balloon only samples a tiny amount of sky at given time intervals, u cant take one tiny amount of sky and say the rest of the sky is like that. the atmosphere isnt uniform. and anyways, what makes the picture non-contrail worthy? its looks like normal exhaust condensing? wheres the chemical nozzle hey?
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
I agree that the atmosphere isn't uniform, which is why I do not understand how "Contrails" can form that stretch from Horizon to Horizon. Every 100m patch is different. Hence why Contrails Dissipate readily. The trails photographed lasted hours.
According to the Science on Contrails, Contrails usually form over 8000m above Sea Level. Contrails can form below this, if the weather conditions permit (as illustrated in the video) but are very rare in cold climates and unheard of in warm climates.
SentientSight 3 years ago
With a $2 camera and a $5,000,000 Lens, I could take awesome photographs of Satellites, but with a 300mm Lens on a Canon EOS 350d Digital Camera, I can't take photographs of Aircraft in that detail at even 8000m.
SentientSight 3 years ago
sure the atmosphere isnt always uniform, but it can vary with stability. a contrail from horizon to horizon just means there a layer of consistant high humidity. 1000ft above or below could be different. a patchy contrail means the air is quite un-stable with different pockets of air. trying to dictate wheather the conditions favour contrails by weather balloons isnt always accurate. the contrails themselves are the best sign of upper atmosphere moisture and stability. sailors use them.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
So what your saying is that the weather can be stable enough for Trails to stretch for Hundreds of Kilometres, but even on those same days, it is too unstable to take a reading with a Weather Balloon?
I'm curious as to how Contrails help sailors to navigate? As Contrails can form in a fairly large range of conditions, what would they learn? Aside from the wind direction up there?
Clouds would be a far better aid to determining atmospheric moisture and stability.
SentientSight 3 years ago
a weather balloon samples a fraction of the sky. just because it says 25% humidity doesnt mean the whole sky that day is 25% humidity and contrails can't form. stabilty is about the change and activity in the air, not about if its stable or not to take a weather balloon up.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
how contrails can help sailors? well, a short contrail indicates dry upper air which means a low probability of weather on the way. persisting contrails would mean alot of moistrue aloft which means a system is probably on the way. clouds do help aswell. cirru-stratus usually means approaching weather. contrails are exactly like cirrus though, so they help just as much.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
also u might not beaware of 'Aerodynamic Contrails'. these can happen below normal engine exhaust contrails - even on final approach sometimes but much shorter. the lifitng surfaces of a plane can create alot of low pressure in certain low pressure conditions. low pressure creates low temp which can create condensation. so it isnt always the rare cold climates where contrails form below the expected altutude.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
Thanks, but I am already aware of 'Aerodynamic Contrails' and the fact that NASA refer to them as "Contrail Like Phenomena" and not actually as Contrails Themselves.
'Aerodynamic Contrails' are visible in the photographs we are discussing, as the thin white lines originating at the wing tips.
'Aerodynamic Contrails' as you said, readily occur at all altitudes and in all climates. They do not explain the long thick "Streamer" like "Clouds" in the Video.
SentientSight 3 years ago
haha, 'it reads that contrails will only form over 9000m'....9000m is over 29,700ft...whats the big deal? this virgin 737-800 can cruise up to FL410 (12424m)
let alone getting the height stuff wrong, weather balloons only sample a tiny amount of air, it could be in 25% humidity while 1000ft above it it could be 100%, really bad mis-informed video. its vapor freezing into ice...chill out chemtrailers lol.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
Contrails can form at any Height, Provided the Right Atmospheric Conditions are met. On this day, that height was approx 9000m above sea level.
I agree that the 737-800, not to mention most (if not all commercial jets) can fly at 12,000m. Your Point? Most cars can travel over 200kmph, but they aren't when you see them on the street.
This Aircraft could not possibly be over 9000m in Height. If it was, it would have been far, far smaller in the photograph, with far less detail turning out.
SentientSight 3 years ago
unlike cars, planes are designed to be efficient at the peak of performance (high speed and altitude) ur comparison to cars doesnt relate. planes are designed to go high and fast so they do and can. cars CAN go 200kmph, but are they really really designed to? can they rip through town at 200kph and not hit a person? can they take a sharp turn at 200kph? do they get good fuel burn at 200kph? nope.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
This aircraft was on approach for landing at Williamtown Airport only 10kms away. Do planes usually land at cruising altitude and speed?
SentientSight 3 years ago
well u must be mistaken or making something up, because if that plane was 10km's away on approach it would be in full landing configuration at 2000-3000ft or so. 10kms is 6 miles. the 'IAF' or 'FAF' is usually 15-20 miles out. why isnt this plane at full flap and gear down? i cant take ur height judgement as legit, even pilots can't judge altitude perfectly, especially when the background is clear blue. this 737 is proably using williamtown as a navaid along its course.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
I'm glad that we agree that this Aircraft was definitely below 8000m, ergo this is not a standard Jet Exhaust Contrail.
As to whether it was landing or not, I'm glad to see we both have our doubts.
To test the distance simply photograph a Boeing 737 with a 300mm lens and compare sizes with my photographs. Links can be found on my website.
SentientSight 3 years ago
i actually dont agree and didn't agree its below 8000m and it is a standard jet exhaust, any ways, that aside...apart from persistency can u please explain what is different about it? what makes it a chemtrail? if u took a close up of a short contrail and a close up of a persistent and cropped it, they would look identical. u cant just say its a chemtrail because it persists, no one can/shouldn't deny contrails can persist, look at cirrus cloud. what is it then thats so different?
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
I have used the word "Chemtrail" because that seems to be the popular term. I prefer "Streamer Cloud" as that is what it resembles more.
"Chemtrails" often have an oily sheen to them when in front of the sun.
I do not deny that Contrails can Persist. I have watched them persist for 10 maybe 20 minutes at a time.
You can not deny that the Guinness Book of World Records lists the longest Persistent Contrail as lasting for approx 40minutes. These "Streamer Clouds" usually last for hours.
SentientSight 3 years ago
care to share where u found that guinness record? i highly deny that, sounds like made up garbage to me. persisting contrails over 40 mins have been observed when high alt jet flight first started. WW2,50's,60's...etc present day, they have always been around, because weather is weather, it doesnt change it's laws over time. an 'oily sheen' is a rainbow effect and is a product of light and vapor. thats why when u face ur back to the sun and spray a fine mist with a hose u will see a rainbow.
flyingaaron7 3 years ago
Rainbow's make a perfect transition of Colour from Red to Green to Blue to Indigo to Violet, also know as RGBIV.
Oils make a swirling pattern of all different colours. They look different because they are different.
Water will always refract water into a Rainbow, sometimes into a Circumzenithal Arc or Upside Down Rainbow, but it will always make a Rainbow, never an Oily Sheen.
2WayFM quoted the Guinness World Record on Contrails.
SentientSight 3 years ago
streamers is a good word for it, I hope it sticks.
TheChemTrailReport 3 years ago
The airplane in this vid is clearly a Virgin Airlines 737-800. No commercial airliner is outfitted with additional equipment (like nozzles etc.). Cloud/fog/contrail formation is based on relative humidity, which is a measure of how much moisture the air can hold, which is dependant on temperature. Low temp air up at 30,000' where airliners cruise cannot hold hardly any moisture, so the moisture in the jet exhaust immediately becomes visible moisture- cloud/contrail.
relative humidity&dewpoint
StratMatt777 3 years ago
I recently was at an airport where the air temp out side was around 0 degree farenhieght. I saw a few jets with pretty short contrails at a relativly low altitude. My guess was they were about 5ooo feet.
pinoyfourlyf 3 years ago
I'm not sure what your point is. There is a photograph in this Video illustrating a Contrail forming on a Landing Jet Aircraft.
The Aircraft you saw may have looked to be 5000 feet above the ground, what was their elevation above Sea Level? That is far more important than elevation above the Ground.
Newcastle is only 6m above Sea Level. Many airports around the world are well above sea level. The Temperature here in Newcastle Australia Never drops to 0 Degrees Fahrenheit.
SentientSight 3 years ago
The Relative Humidity at 30,000 Feet here in Newcastle Australia can Fluctuate between 0% & 100% Humidity.
Relative Humidity is just ONE of the factors, Atmospheric Pressure & Temperature are also Key Factors.
SentientSight 3 years ago
You're on the right track.
embers17 3 years ago 2
Great vid! I am going to send the a--holes off my site to watch this first, before I bicker with them! lol
ogrishTWO 3 years ago 2
If anyone says to me that CHEMTRAILS don't exist, I simply tell them to GOOGLE =SPACE PRESERVATION ACT 2001.
tilbis1 3 years ago 2
Great vid, It's obvious what's going on, governments have admitted to spraying over populations before without their knowledge, what makes people think they've changed and started caring?
Sooner or later people will have to take notice, when illness like Morgellons, starts making people sick then what choice will they have but to be a part of It and take notice, but why wait till then.
We have a right to know who's flying those planes and why.
tilbis1 3 years ago 2
Excellent work. Thanks for passing on your knowledge. Keep posting! 5*****
iwasthatdolphin 3 years ago
watch?v=Y0KJiDf8xZM&fmt=18
LightWarrior2 3 years ago
CHEMTRAILS read chapter 5 of Devilvision it explains the whole deal and much much more it reveals some truly amazing stuff all with official ref docs. if this dont scare you nothing will.
You can download it for free @ 'Devilvision: The World's New Wireless Grid'
algorithm21century 3 years ago
Some great info thanks
marrow777 3 years ago 2
WHAT IS BEING SPRAYED?
philwarinsky 3 years ago 3
The frigid air at 30,000' does not have the ability to hold wator vapour like warmer air closer to earth does. So when the moisture in the engine exhaust is added to this air it immediately saturates the air becoming visible moisture (cloud). Jet exhaust is making these contrails all over the world as we speak.
The people here do not understand meteorology and probably dismiss me as working for a govt instead of googling to see that what I say is science. Paranoia is a fun pastime apparently?
EarsToHear777 3 years ago
That's great, but the Aircraft photographed was well under 30,000'. As stated in the video.
So many people simply quote "Basic Contrail Science" and seem to think it disproves this. My understanding of Contrail Science is why I am curious about this Phenomena, as these trails do not fit into the characteristics of Contrails.
These are an Aerosol Emission of some description. That is not paranoia, but science, as even Standard Contrails are formed by an Aerosol, ie Soot from the Jet Exhaust.
SentientSight 3 years ago
If you live anywhere in the Sacramento California area and pay a little attention you will see jets leaving these trails constantly. Its pretty easy to see since we have constantly clear skies except for these trails which they constantly spray in the surrounding counties for some reason!
rymeswitreeson 3 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You are correct. I am being controlled by the government now and they want me to give you a message....
you are all full of shit!
THEBEASTOFOLD 3 years ago
Thanks for the insightful criticism!
SentientSight 3 years ago
Great vid Sentient. Added
JustinCoy 3 years ago 3
CHEMTRAILS!
xortiatis84 3 years ago 6
Nice Work!
ihatechemtrails 3 years ago 4
That is awesome!!!!! I am so tired of people arguing with me about this! Now I have proof to show them. Thanks!!
sophia071 3 years ago 6
;) Great idea.
soulvisitor 3 years ago 5
I've heard chemtrails,among other reasons,are to spread an electromagnetic 'soup' across the whole world(except China) so help electro mind-control people,and benefit the effects of TETRA handsets,GPS,and RFID masts(these all over frequency and interrupt the brain waves until they bounce in 'entrainment'),and are all forms of mind control. The planned microchip will be used off the GPS satellite/frequency.
countesscristo 3 years ago 8
+7 to this comment?
You people have completely lost your marbles- and my goal is not to insult you!!! I feel bad for you guys all buying this stuff invented by paranoid looneys...
electromagnetic soup for electro-mind control... TETRA, interrupting brain frequency waves?
+7 to this??!!!!
What are you people talking about?!!!
StratMatt777 3 years ago
G'Day StratMatt777, it's +8 now.
I'm curious why so many people that do not believe in Chemtrails spend so much time watching Chemtrail videos and even more time commenting on them.
Are you trying to convince my that this is not real, or are you trying to convince yourself.
SentientSight 3 years ago
It's +7 again now. :)
I watch because I am curious how people could be led to believe that these contrails we've seen in the sky for decades are now suddenly chemtrails. I comment because I understand meteorology and humidity and dewpoint.
In 2001 I actually was deceived by this stuff and was fearing the "chemtrails" that I'd see overhead. I was into all kinds of conspiracy theory stuff. It was miserable!
Now that I know meteorology I am trying to explain to people how it works.
StratMatt777 3 years ago
I'm glad you've found what makes you happy.
I find it odd that you find it curious how people are "deceived" when you state that you yourself was once "deceived".
Shouldn't it be an easy thing to understand?
SentientSight 3 years ago
Yeah actually I don't find it hard to understand since I've been there so I don't know why I typed that in response to you (I'm not here to try to "be right" so I don't mind saying that). But anyway, since I once believed it and now know how contrails are formed it would be unkind to stay silent here while these people are needlessly paranoid out of their mind like I was in the end of 2001.
If there is actual proof I would LOVE to see it- honestly! I'm not here to be right/smarter/insulting.
StratMatt777 3 years ago
Well written!
I didn't start out being insulting to these people either, but after time, their ignorance leaves a terrible taste in my mouth and I can't help but be unusually elated at the fact that they are so ignorant.
I like how you say it isn't about being "right" or "smarter". It's about a complete lack of evidence and huge heaping helping of ignorance.
REAL eduction is the key to the puzzle the chemtrailers have found themselves in.
They refuse to help themselves.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
UninterestedNU,
I'm sorry that you feel the best way to cure ignorance is with Insults. Or have you come to enjoy people's ignorance to the point you would prefer to insult them, than have a civil conversation.
It was my research into Meteorology that confirmed the existence of these Chemtrails.
I hold no belief system however, so if I am presented with evidence that changes my perspective on the facts, then I'll know that Chemtrails do not exist.
SentientSight 3 years ago
I've tried to help these people with several different styles and the chemtrailers all resort to lies and accusations. I no longer actually care to help. I freely admit that I feel a smug superiority because I understand where these pathetic numskulls make their ridiculous mistakes.
Your research wasn't thorough. I know this for a fact.
Again, ignore me if you want to. I'm just putting my perspective out there to counter the paranoid bullshit machine.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
StratMatt777, like you I am not here to prove myself right, nor smarter.
I also appreciate that you are trying to give piece of mind to others. Rest assured I am not fearful, nor worried about these "Chemtrails" even if they are full of Barium, Aluminium, Virii or even Nanobots.
I do ask a favor that you please do explain how Contrails can form regularly in Atmospheric Conditions that are Unfavorable to Contrail Formation. As I have found no explanation in any text book or website.
SentientSight 3 years ago
"explain how Contrails can form regularly in Atmospheric Conditions that are Unfavorable to Contrail Formation"
They can't. The conditions were favorable to contrail formation and you are wrong about your assertion that they couldn't have existed at that altitude. They were there, there is no such thing as chemtrails, so the plane was leaving a contrail. Simple.
You have NO PROOF that anything else happened.
To be a chemtrailer is to have zero proof and 100% faith in other chemtrailers.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
You again make assumptions UninterestedNU, and make claims based on your opinions not on fact.
All my Photographs have been uploaded to photobucket, and they demonstrate that the trail lasted for well over an hour, maybe longer I couldn't tell as it blew out to sea.
That however is not the issue. The issue here is that you do not believe the evidence, which is your prerogative. I concede that it is not the greatest evidence, but it is the best that I can offer via video.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Very well then.
I really do enjoy most of this video. VERY well made, in fact.
Oh well, Take care and I hope you find the truth.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
I appreciate the compliment, and you take care.
I have enjoyed the conversation.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Interesting:
"it blew out to sea"
The whole trail blew out to sea huh? One huge, shifting area of the sky stayed in your sight while a trail, INSIDE that air mass, remained, intact. VERY interesting if you ask me. How far did this air mass travel while in your sight? I'll bet that answer would also be VERY interesting.
Weather is impressive.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
If that is your proof, it was a Contrail, because Chemtrail's do not exist, your logic is flawed.
Lack of existence of Chemtrails does not prove favorable atmospheric conditions. You can choose to believe that I am mistaken about the altitude or that the Weather Sounding Data was inaccurate or wrong, but you can not state that I have no proof.
You yourself have agreed with my reasoning, you only disagree with my assertions of the conditions and/ or elevation.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Goodbye.
UninterestedNU 3 years ago
UninterestedNU please go to my channel find my website go to the website click technology and then chemtrails and look at "Chemtrails Air On German TV" you will find a document where the German Airforce admits spraying (chemtrails), comprised of fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals. This is going on worldwide and it is very harmfull to humans, animals and the envoirment. You can continue to live in your little bubble of ignorance or you can face up to truth..
OneWorldScam 2 years ago
I've see it.
You are stupid for accepting that as proof that there are extra chemicals in our atmosphere and airplanes put the there and that white trails in the sky contain anything other than exhaust gas and water vapor.
There would be no need to disrupt radar signals over our own country.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Your missing the point. First off, this is main stream media and its "admitted". Are you so brainwashed that even if they tell you they are doing it, you still don't think its happening?? The Radar blocking was just an excuse the milatary used to explain the metals in the air. They said it was a war game exercise. Did you read it or just glance and go back to your orignal thought "no cant be real" end of story!!! I never waste time trying to save someone that can't take time to research truth.
OneWorldScam 2 years ago
They admitted to testing the feasability of an enemy to attack us that way by dropping what they thought were harmless chemicals at ONE point in time.
So that means every white, long lasting trail is full of chemicals?! Hardly.
I have researched the truth about persistent contrails as part of my 4 year degree in Aviation.
Please, don't waste your time trying to convince me. It will never happen.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
"I never waste time trying to save someone that can't take time to research truth. "
Save me?!?!?!?!?!
Give me a break!
Please, tell me how a cloud forms.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
And dentists study and are thought that fluoride is good for you and most think it is.
Enjoy your life..
OneWorldScam 2 years ago
Fluoride, in the doses we are subjected to, are of little consequence.
Enjoy your life...as a pussy!
Too much of ANYTHING will kill ya! Even sugar or salt. Everything in moderation!
But you idiots would rather let your teeth rot out instead on ingesting a small amount of harmless fluoride. Also, you are talking about it being in water, not just taking it as is.
Your body processes it differently in suspension.
Is there ANY subject that you paranoid nuts DON'T get completely wrong?!?
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Fluoride is added to the water and is also not filtered when everyone spits their toothpaste down the sink increasing the amount in the water. Its industrial waste, (fluosilicic acid), "scrubbed" from Florida phosphate fertilizer smokestacks. It is not safe in small doses at all. Look at the back of toothpaste in US and it will tell you if swallowed contact poison control. I do not drink or use fluoridated water or toothpaste and my teeth are white. Have you never heard of Dental Fluorosis?
OneWorldScam 2 years ago
"Have you never heard of Dental Fluorosis? "
Of course I have. What does that have to do with anything?!
Everything in moderation, I always say.
If it wasn't safe in small doses, we'd all be "suffering", wouldn't we be?!
Give me a break .Some people are more susceptible to injury with even SMALL doses, just as with sugar.
You pathetic alarmists with your paranoid, ignorant drivel are so humorous! Even though I have ingested fluoride, along with all of my peers, I suffer no ill effects.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
By the way, anus, I'm here to discuss your paranoid, ignorant views of contrails. Not your alarmist paranoid and ignorant views on fluoride or diet soda. I also don't care about your views on religion, inoculations, 2012, Illuminati, lizard men, Nibiru or any other ridiculous notion or paranoid belief.
I only care about your ridiculous and uneducated views about contrails. And I only care enough about them to laugh when you post your ridiculous, ignorant drivel about subjects you never study.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
It seems to me you are surrering the effects as you continue to trust what you have been told about fluroide. And you resort to name calling when you don't get your own way...You can't be helped so I won't respond anymore...
OneWorldScam 2 years ago
Oh no! A paranoid retard won't respond to me?!? Whatever shall I do?!?
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Your a fooking idiot...WHY DEFEND A SYSTEM THAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND...its like defending a murderer in court, being adament that he is innocent, and it turns out he is guilty...your a sheep, a puppet on a string, someone who doesnt understand what he is defending...its like you take it as a personal attack...its funny how you call people "pussy" when in reality your not more than a geek...is it your job to reply to anyone who talks bad against the government? YOU PATSY
johnconnolly111 2 years ago
Hehe, OK.
You keep thinking you have it all figured out and I'll keep knowing that it's your ignorance that makes you paranoid.
You are obviously much more susceptible to falling for paranoid bullshit than I am.
It is a personal attack. You are slandering a profession that I love. I don't really CARE. I'm just here to tell you that I don't agree. And I'm here to suggest to those "on the fence" on this issue, that they take some time to learn the basics before jumping to stupid conclusions.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Your here to attack, call people paranoid, try and sway sheep...at the end of the day you know nothing about this...your not privy to any government operation, so therefore your conclusions on this are irrelevant...lets get it right, these chemtrails (which over-cast the sky, once its been bombarded over a few hours), were not present 10 years ago, and to blame them on weather conditions is the funniest thing iv ever heard...I seen chemtrails being sprayed at 8pm last week, when it was cold
johnconnolly111 2 years ago
A complete lack of evidence proves you wrong, on every level.
I grew up on a path 30 miles west of Logan International. These trails existed when I was a boy in the 70's. maybe there were no air routes over your house when you were a boy, but there are now. It's all part of increased air travel.
You are ignorant.
Please learn about jet engines, and weather fronts.
Then learn how they react with each other.
Or, remain ignorant.
I don't care. But, I will call you on stupid lies.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Lack of evidence? Your on youtube, you idiot, there's literally HUNDREDS of videos showing these strange contrails in the sky, WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE CONCERNED? Im sorry to say, but your wrong on this one, your college degree is irrelevant as far as government operations go...why dont you make a video debunking chemtrails, instead of making stupid excuses, like weather conditions (humidity), when they werent around 10 years ago
johnconnolly111 2 years ago
Youtube videos are NOT evidence! They are made by OTHER morons that don't knoe shit about aviation or meteorology.
YOU accept them as "proof". I do not.
Every trail I have seen in every video on youtube has been a simple contrail.
A fuel dump or water for fire suppression and occasionally another odd "dumping" but "spraying" is not happening through jet engines. That is ridiculous.
I'm sorry, I am right about this. Your youtube education is irrelevant as far as the truth goes.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago 2
"why dont you make a video debunking chemtrails, instead of making stupid excuses, like weather conditions (humidity), when they werent around 10 years ago"
Persistent contrails have been around since airplanes have been able fly at such altitudes. Your ignorance of THAT fact doesn't change the the fact, that it's a fact.
I know you think you are right, I'm fine with that and don't wish to debate your delusions.
Go ahead, be ignorant for ll I care.
Fuckin' dope.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago 2
HAHAH your the fooking dope...you think jet exhaust fumes, which is mainly water, could cause such trails across the sky...HAHAH, you idiot! END OF DEBATE
johnconnolly111 2 years ago
Hehe,
OK.
Keep thinking you understand all the variables, and I'll keep laughing at you complete morons.
You leave out so much simply because you haven't studied the subjects. You leave out pressure, the type of engine, the role of the sun, temperature and humidity fluctuations, air traffic control, radio navigation amd so much more. The puzzle is large, your knowledge, less than adequate.
You incapable of understanding this because you don't have the facts.
It's funny.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
You cant tell the difference between jet engine exhaust fumes (which is mainly water, so last no more than 20 mins, usually only a couple of minutes), and blatent spraying...dont give me bullshit about weather conditions or air pressure, nobody buys that BS...you must be retarded fighting this corner, its just silly
johnconnolly111 2 years ago
"..dont give me bullshit about weather conditions or air pressure."
OK, I won't then.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
"nobody buys that BS...you must be retarded fighting this corner, its just silly "
Hehe, I'm sure nobody YOU have encountered sides with me.
LOL!
But, trust me, the way I see things is the norm, you are part of the lunatic fringe simply because you refuse to properly educated yourself in these subjects.
And the fact that it seems silly to you has no bearing on it's truthfulness. I understand persistent contrails. You do not. The end.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
"HAHAH your the fooking dope...you think jet exhaust fumes, which is mainly water, could cause such trails across the sky...HAHAH, you idiot! END OF DEBATE"
Ok, so the chemicals that are supposedly in the trails have the ability to spread out, but a frozen aerosol WON'T spread out in air?! OK, got it!
Have you seen the videos on youtube (since YOU look at youtube as evidence) of people throwing boiling water into air that around -40? Yeah, that doens't look ANYTHING like a contrail!
Dunce.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago 2
watch?v=K-GSrrk_ATM&feature=channel_page
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
john, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Either you're deliberately ignorant, or you have something to gain out of propagating childish conspiracy theories. If chemtrails ARE true (which they obviously aren't) then it's the most widespread, well-guarded conspiracy in the history of human existence. Wake up and smell the AvTur, you're locked in a sad fantasy world.
skinboy8 2 years ago 2
enjoy the denial, your comment should be engraved in the ignorant stone for all future generations to read and scoff at
FeldwebelSchultz 2 years ago
Why is it that NO SCIENTIST BELIEVES IN CHEMTRAILS? Because they are not real. I fucking hate these Alex JonesDrones. It is good to be skeptical of the Government, but you need to fill the blanks in with something real, not something that "fits" because it "convinces you"; Something that is proven and real. They don't understand anything! The worst citizens, because they could be the dissidents, but have no credibility. You can't protest Iraq and talk about this BS at once and convince anyone.
newmanfrigan 10 months ago
Please, tell me how a cloud forms.
UninterestedNU 2 years ago
Great, let's talk DATA (missing in every "chemtrail" vid).
Present the data that describes these unfavorable conditions to contrail formation...the temperature, pressure, and humidity at the altitude the contrails are observed, along with the footage of the contrails. The footage must have a timestamp that falls within the valid time period on the weather data. Observations are better than forecasts, but if that's all you can get, we could verify it after the fact based on observations.
StratMatt777 3 years ago 2
Great idea, I'll get on to it.
SentientSight 3 years ago
Good one!
Chillart 3 years ago 7
Great video and a useful info. Thanks for sharing aodscarecrow.
Thanks for posting it.
YemSom 3 years ago 8
very well done my friend, 5 stars, faved and shared.
:)
aodscarecrow 3 years ago 9