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  • So let me get this right, example forces in the universe

    Gravity is set to 1% (2 or 3% different and we'd never evolved)

    Electromagnatism set to 25% (2-3% more we'd never evolved)

    Cosmilogical Constant "anti gravity field around galaxy's" set to 0.0000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000­000000000040 (different by the smallest fraction our galaxy would fly apart).

    So the conclusion is some higher species created those exact numbers at the start?

  • You quote too much from the bible lol. A constant doesnt prove god anymore than a unconstant. Either your entire existence rest on the idea that there is a creator or you are a mere speck of dust in a universe so vast and unexplored that to take anything constant for a fact is wholly ignorant. This period here>. is human knowledge and the rest of the white page is the unknown of the universe and that beyond it, how can you say science has proved god when it is so ignorant of the place it exists

  • lemme simply say.. if there is no God, then you and I (believers and non-believers) all die and rot and be eaten by worms and perhaps become fertilizers to plants and so forth and nothing more.. however what if, there truly is God? then, some will go to eternal damnation (hell) and some to heaven...in that the case, where do you want to put your bet (or belief/faith) then?

  • IF the is "GOD" ... it's nothing like bible. Bible is fairy tale. Physicists hate this idea because their stupid. . Religion caused more suffering in humanity than anything,.. even atomic bombs. . RELIGION IS SHIT. SHIT. . You are afraid that universe doesn't care about you. .
  • All I did was disliked this video... this troll video...

  • @bizbite2 Only a fool dislikes something without looking at it.

  • When science and god collide something amazing happens.

  • @tropemaster Well said. :)

  • Sometimes the music is so loud that the dialogue is hard to hear.

  • ---exist but the wonderful thing is that's ok and doesn't interfere with the pyramid energy pattern nor the reason for existence to exist it just shows we are looking in the wrong place, the mechanics of the universe and beyond still have nothing to do with why or how it all is here to begin with and where the point ends!!

  • Don't be fooled by how if only a simple piece of math was out of place we would not exist because that is not a difficult question a perfect example is a bubble a perfect sphere you think how could this beauty be an accident and not a construct? The true answer is equilibrium a natural balance of forces make that beautiful sphere and the perfect balance of numbers needed for us to exist form on their own just as the numbers for a sphere need to be perfect or else the perfect sphere can not----->

  • --- into each other that created our accident what is that all about and again you keep going to see where the next level goes and seems to have no end a point you can never reach, infinity is a disturbing limit to our minds and a linear thought process but still there is an answer and will push away all complexities that process creates, a simple beauty where all white noise is not allowed to exist!!

  • The real truth is our universe could be nothing more than a distortion created by two dimensions crashing into each other much like when you slap your hand on water and bubbles form as a result, and even though that doesn't represent a purpose that plays to our ego's it could be true none the less, yes we could be an accident our universe a fart of nature but that's ok what we make of ourselves is where the beauty comes from not how we came to be, but still who made dimensions that crashed----->

  • Where does it end? How does existence exist even for a God how can there be a point for an entity that has always been, it's easy to wimp out and just say that entity has always been and always will be, no there is an answer even a God has to have a reason, whats above that and why and how? Where does it end!!!

  • The level everyone looks at and thinks God made this isn't the top of the pyramid, my opinion is the universe is nothing more than an entity that can be made with knowledge and ability even if it's beyond what we can imagine at this point so that means an entity that can make a universe is nothing more than an alien if you will an intelligence with knowledge and ability to do so and that means the there is something even higher that goes beyond that and the ability to create a universe!

  • The pyramid energy pattern is a real one there is always something above the lower level and to whatever is responsible for the universe and at the top of the pyramid my question is, how did you get to where your at, how do you exist because it's simple how things come to be beneath that level meaning the universe is not a hard question because something is responsible for it!

    The true hard question is how did what is responsible for the universe come to be and where does that point end!!!

  • how can you conclude from this shit that god has created the universe?? if it where so that there was only one universe, there is still a chance (may it offcourse be a very small one) that the universe is the way it is. but leading hypotheses suggest that there are in fact infinite universes. if you presume this to be correct, surely one of them could have life. and if you take any percentage of which universes could have life. say 1^-900% you would still end up with infinite universes wit life

  • we are "lucky" to be alive, would we really be "Unlucky" if had never existed. luck is a word we came up with

  • what theory is hypotenuse is this based on?

  • Actually, what's the name of this program? Clearly it's from the science channel.

  • What is that song at around 4:40 ?!?!

  • so instead of trying to impose to the others your beliefs, act in order to make a difference, a better place for everyone! The most important thing is to live in peace and harmony, not to show who is right or wrong.

  • perhaps there is a God, perhaps not. You can't prove either way, so I think it's better not to jump to any conclusion. Other important problem of our world is that we don't have what to believe in anymore, we are confused. But confusion should make us try to get some order in our life, rationally, not by listening to what other people say it's right or even impose us. If you think the world is worthless without a god, then keep in mind that the essence of Christianity is to love the other people

  • and maybe those creatures would consider themselves lucky, a miracle born in there own 'fine tuned universe'. One of the greatest problems of our world is that people desperately hang on their own beliefs and want to impose them to the others instead of keeping an opened mind. This is selfish, thinking that YOU must be right only because you believe it. But it's more comfortable and simpler not to use your mind rationally and stick with the idea that someone else is looking for you all the time

  • this is stupid, because you can't make such a conclusion only because the universe is the way it is. Can you assure me that there isn't an infinity of other universes out there, each with it's own 'fine tuning' ? No, because you can't see beyond our universe, you don't poses all the data necessary to draw a conclusion. Can you assure me that if the Cosmological constant was slightly bit different there wouldn't be another type of life form in the universe, with a completely different chemestry?

  • This is an argument for christianity?

    It's not working!

    seems like a weak argument for deism. Very weak, as everyone knows (or should know) that life adapted to the conditions of the universe, and not the other way around.

  • Yeh yeh, hanks Alohim (or whoever you are) for adjusting all nature forces just for me.

  • Religions are plagiarized from one to the other over thousands of years... BOTTOM LINE: Religion = FRAUD, they greatest FRAUD in all history. In the light of scientific discoveries over the past 400 years, how do any half-intelligent people believe in this mythological fictional nonsense - angels, miracles, afterlife with an imaginary boss, virgin birth etc.

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  • Praise Sithis, science has proven our dread father's existence!

    Obviously the cosmological constent proves my entire suite of dogmas about Sithis creating the universe so that I might do murder to please him correct!

    Surely the concept that if any of the constants of physics were different then there would be other creatures in the universe wondering why it was so perfect for them... after all, I feel special and they don't exist!

  • God is real praise Allah!

  • Whoo hoo!

  • Lil: Still it's good to see that you now accept God has been proven Scientifically "

    You draw the wrong conclusion.

    "Well we all know that Science's ultimate aim has always been to glorify all of God's creation, "

    So, for millenia god had no need to be glorified, because there was very little science.

  • If science reveals the existence of god, science must be true., and reliable. Tell that to all creationists. !!!!!

  • Well we all know that Science's ultimate aim has always been to glorify all of God's creation, it's been that way since at least the time of the ancient Greeks. Of course by the 15th Century we see a subtle shift in emphasis, a shift which was intended to take the glory away from God and instead glorify man, it's called Apotheosis and it was one aspect of a wider Luciferian conspiracy aimed at destroying the church.

    Still it's good to see that you now accept God has been proven Scientifically

  • Go back to nerd school nerd

  • Citing the bible is useless, unless you prove it`s reliability and authenticity.

    Get real. Pick up a science book.

  • It`s ironic to rely on science to prove god, when science in general is villified by religion. Can`t you rely on god himself to prove his existence ???

  • " These are rebellious people, deceitful children, children unwilling to listen to the LORD's instruction.

    They say to the seers, "See no more visions!"

    and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.

    Leave this way, get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel! " - Isaiah 30:9-11

  • But God has reappeared in the bible since that book.

  • The God is exists. The God control all the universe. The is only we worship.

  • /considering you have already proven your intellectual dishonesty./

    I'd say you're the one who is being intellectually dishonest, everyone and his granny knows that Einstein was a Pantheist, but you're attempting to paint a picture of 'Einstein the Atheist' and that's corrosively misleading,

    Read some of his many autobiographies, they all conclude that Albert died a firm believer in Spinoza's God, but i understand your reluctance to watch the video, nobody likes to be proven wrong.

  • I certainly am not trying to present Einstein as an atheist. Read my quotes again - I quoted Einstein dismissing a PERSONAL God. I.E. a CHRISTIAN God. The purposeful misrepresentation of the facts in order to present Einstein as a Christian - as you so crudely attempted in your contextually vacuous quote - is received with utter disdain.

    You said that Einstein believed in a creator. Spinoza believed nature to be the equivalent of God. I.E. Einstein believed the universe was created by NATURE.

  • At no point did i claim Einstein to be a Christian....watch the video.

    /You said that Einstein believed in a creator./

    :D

    /as you so crudely attempted in your contextually vacuous quote - is received with utter disdain./

    :D

    /Spinoza believed nature to be the equivalent of God./

    Lol,

    Einstein and Spinoza were both Deists!!!

  • Except your quote is taken completely out of context. It actually refers to Einstein's refusal to accept some aspects of the most popular interpretations of Quantum Theory. Excuse me for not being too quick to watch your video, considering you have already proven your intellectual dishonesty.

  • "Jesus of Nazareth. "

    Atleast you show you have no evidence at all. No more than other religion!

  • Heres the question, you failed to reply too

    "Prove any god exists let alone your brand of god and he created the universe "

  • I'll prove it in three words gorilla,

    Jesus of Nazareth.

  • LOL, this video makes such false claims.

    It starts with assuming it must have created (Well it is religious propoganda isnt it!)

    It things where different and life did start then it would have turned out differnly!

    Just like the life on earth has diversified to most of the enviromnet of earth.

    If you are going to claim the universe is too improbale, then you need to state god is even less probabale!

  • /It starts with assuming it must have created/

    What are you talking about ?

    Listen to Prof Lennox, or better still

    google : Probability Theory regarding the ridiculous figure of 1 part in 10 to the 40.

  • "Probability Theory regarding the ridiculous figure of 1 part in 10 to the 40. "

    WOW thats not even the results of one USA states lotteries results for the last 50 years.

    God rigs lottery reults, im impressed with your undersatnding of probability!

    So tell me, speaking of improbable.......

    What the chances a god (let alone yuour brand of god) just happened to exist for no reason at all?

    Thats less probable than the universe just happening to be here, without explination.

  • I see you've backtracked on your earlier stance on creation! :)

    But in answer your latest charges i will only say two things, firstly, 1 part in 10 to the 40 is simply the calculated odds for the ratio of the Electromagnetic force to gravity at the beginning of the Universe, combine that with the rest of the so called coincidences of our existence and we're looking at a creation, absolutely no doubt about that.

    And Secondly : In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. - Gen 1:1

  • Just saying god is eternal, and therefore excluding him from your own standards is not acceptable.

    Prove any god exists let alone your brand of god and he created the universe

    "And Secondly : In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. - Gen 1:1 "

    WOW your story book says so, it says the world is 6000 years old and there was a big boat ride for animals, they are some of the Dumbest things in it.

  • /Just saying god is eternal, and therefore excluding him from your own standards is not acceptable/

    I'm not excluding Him from my own standard, quite the opposite is true in fact!

    /WOW your story book says so, it says the world is 6000 years old and there was a big boat ride for animals, they are some of the Dumbest things in it./

    Are you a real life comedian ?

    You should be on the stage.....there's one leaving in 10mins.

    XD

  • "I'm not excluding Him from my own standard, quite the opposite is true in fact!"

    No its not, you claim he justhappened to be around, no exokination, so just go with the same excuse but for the universe (Which we know exits unlike your imaginary friend in the sky)

    /WOW your story book says so, it says the world is 6000 years old and there was a big boat ride for animals/

    "Are you a real life comedian ?"

    Its what your story book says!

    How old is the world?

    Is the ark story true?

  • /so just go with the same excuse but for the universe/

    Are you arguing for a steady state Universe here ?

    /Its what your story book says!/

    I respect the teachings of the most important book in the history of humankind, it's not just some story book, it's the word of God, why don't you respect that ?

    /How old is the world?/ - I don't know, is the honest answer.

    " Is the ark story true? " - Yes!

  • Are you arguing for a steady state God here ?

    Respect your story book? You dont respect it, have you stoned your naught chuildren? Have you killed homosexual men as god demands? NO why not?

    /How old is the world?/ - I don't know, is the honest answer.

    Try reading your story book it was created in 4004 BC LOL

    "" Is the ark story true? " - Yes! "

    No, thats why its never in history lessons etc Only in sunday brain washing class.

  • /Are you arguing for a steady state God here ?/

    Yes, God is eternal.

    Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling my video ?

    Think of this as a yellow card, a warning Gorilla, either you enter into a respectful and reasonable dialogue and start making sense or it's the red card for you wee man.

    A la Sir William Douglas running out of patience with Henry Percy.

    :-)

  • "Yes, God is eternal."

    Proof? As it contradicts your religious non science of creationism.

    Facts do make sence, believing in big invisable sky daddys does not.

    Provide proof your god exists!

  • /Proof? As it contradicts your religious non science of creationism./

    Lol, no it doesn't, God created the Universe, i don't see any contradiction in that belief.

    /Provide proof your god exists!/

    I'll provide indisputable proof of God's existence, but only after you provide what you consider to be proof of His non-existence.

  • "I'll provide indisputable proof of God's existence, but only after you provide what you consider to be proof of His non-existence. "

    LOL No, in reality its up to the person with the stupid claim to prove they are right.

    Not for the sensible people to prove the belief is stupid, that goes without saying.

    No evidence for him at all.

  • /No evidence for him at all./

    This statement only highlights the flaw in your ability to reason properly, unless you open your mind to other possibilities your search to find real Truth and meaning will always end in futility.

    Why would anyone make up their mind before hearing the evidence ?

  • "unless you open your mind to other possibilities "

    Open your mind to the other religions, shoe proof of your god!

    "Why would anyone make up their mind before hearing the evidence ? "

    As above you have failed toprovide any evidence, you having imaginary friend that you can not prove is not proof!

    Show me the proof you claim you have, which is as giid as a childs proof santa is real.

  • "I'll provide indisputable proof of God's existence, but only after you provide what you consider to be proof of His non-existence."

    ^^The proof for your God's nonexistence

    is provided in my video: How to prove

    God doesn't exist in 3 minutes or less.

  • Is it correct to suggest that it is impossible for someone to prove that God does not exist. For example, to do so, must one search every area of the universe, among other things?

  • Good stuff, Mr. Turtle! God bless!

  • Thanks Jerre,

    but any praise must go to the Holy Spirit, it was done in His name and for His glory only.

    God Bless brother.

  • I look forward to you winning Nobel Prize for your Video!

    LOL your a joke!

  • There are two types of people in this world my friend,

    those who attempt to promote truth and those who hate truth with a passion and appear to be suffering from Capt Ahab syndrome :

    " and for hate's sake i spit my last breath at thee! "

    Watch it again, it's all Science fact,

    well apart from Eli Wallach of course and like yourself, when it comes down to the final climatic shootout, 'The Ugly' has an empty gun, he's all out of ammo he just doesn't realise it until it's too late.

    DRAW!

    :)

  • LOL, This video does not prove ANY god exists, let alone made the universe! Let alone it being your god, the one you where taught to believe out of all the 10,000's of gods. LOL

    Thats why fundies are even less inteliigent than normal xtians.

  • If the Universe didn't come about by chance and it obviously didn't as the video clearly shows, then what other possibilities are there for the Universe coming into being ?

  • If YOUR GOD didn't come about by chance and it obviously didn't as the video clearly shows, then what other possibilities are there for YOUR GOD coming into being ?

  • /then what other possibilities are there for YOUR GOD coming into being ?/

    God is eternal and therefore beyond our limited capabilities of understanding, faith is the key.

    Right now your turn :

    "what other possibilities are there for the Universe coming into being ?

  • The Universe is eternal and therefore beyond YOURl imited capabilities of understanding, Accepting what more intelligent experts know is the key.

    "what other possibilities are there for the Universe coming into being ?"

    Well if you pretend god is a valid answer, thenall the other fictional characters, Snoopy? Donald Duck? Maybe grumpy, how about a pink unicorn or a bigfoot?

  • /The Universe is eternal/

    /Accepting what more intelligent experts know is the key./

    Like Gammov, for instance ?

    :-)

  • "Like Gammov, for instance ?"

    No not the tiny minority of brain washed people. What do the majority of experts say?

  • /What do the majority of experts say?/

    You've lost me a while ago, but i'll ask anyway,

    experts in which field or discipline ?

  • "experts in which field or discipline ? "

    The field this religious video talk about.

  • "what other possibilities are there for the Universe coming into being"

    ^^^The Universe is eternal.

  • Fine your religion is baseless and immoral. 'Fine tuning' proves NOTHING. It's not even a compelling argument when you are granted all of your unfounded premises.

  • lilsh,

    "To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." (Ps 19:1)

    May HIS Name be praised.

    :-)

  • Hi Trac4yt, :-)

    " freeing him from the agony of death,

    it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him: 'I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.

    Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope,

    because you will not abandon me to the grave,

    nor will you let your Holy One see decay.

    You have made known to me the paths of life;

    you will fill me with joy in your presence." - Acts 2:24 - 28

  • I find your lack of faith disturbing. This drivel would be laughable if it weren't so sad. You make these videos not for the athiests, but b/c you are desperately trying to convince yourself that your myths are true. Your god is dead and I mourn him not.

  • What do you mean drivel ?

    Are you saying the cosmological constant is Scientific bunkum ?

    I can understand your lack faith in the Scientific process, however what i don't understand is your absurd assumption that God can be killed......and even more laughable....at the hands of an insignificant political rabble.

    :)

  • I am sorry for you Dhorpatan, you are incorrect and, Illogical :) Proof, is ALL AROUND YOU :) have a nice day!

  • There is no proof for supernatural

    fairy tales. Proof is all around

    that everything is of, and came

    from, a finite causation.

  • Could Gravity have evolved over time ?

  • You need to get briefed on

    Cosmology. Gravity is not dependent

    upon time.

  • Strange reply given that we don't yet fully understand Gravity as a force of nature.....including the mechanisms behind it of course.

    Nor can we comprehend the nature of time, not in a true cosmological sense of the term,

    how time flies when you're having fun! :)

    So i'll rephrase the question :

    Is it possible for Gravity to have been weaker at the inception of the 'Big Bang' than it is now ?

  • "Is it possible for Gravity to have been weaker at the inception of the 'Big Bang' than it is now ?"

    ^^^What is the point of your question? I'm

    struggling to understand what you question

    has to do with anything?

  • Amen.

  • Absolutely.

    God bless bro.

  • Great video- many thanks- even Richard Dawkins blurs the edges with the concept of luck- no dear! its called design not luck

  • Even Einstein believed in a designer :

    " I don't believe that He (God) plays dice."

    God bless Piano.

  • "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." - Albert Einstein

  • "The word 'God' is, for me, nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Albert Einstein

  • ok ,lets go through this one point at a time (i will be shocked if it isnt deleted)...

    1) the whole "slighest change and nothing happens" argument has been neutralized many times as in every other circumstance (mainly around the atom) the actual correct pattern of electron-neutron displacement and rotation, in comparison with the number of chances it had , the number of collisions taking place and the billions of years to do it, show that it was not exactly a "divine miracle"...

  • 2) the documentary even makes the announcement that they dont know, purely speculation, hardly the "fall of atheism" as they cannot replicate the atmospheric conditions on earth.

    3)the video happily says "evolution of the universe" but forgets to mention that as like evolution ,when the adaptions fork out into seperate paths...and when the less beneficial path starts...it BREAKS DOWN AND DISSAPEARS! ,so saying that the universe if fine tuned is just like saying we are...were not....

  • 4) the universe in is no way "fine tuned" or "in a perfect balance"

    any theoretical physicist will tell you that the quantum theory and the theory of relativity is like getting a whale and a cat,sticking them together and then telling you its truly ridiculous to claim it to be harmonic or intune.

  • i sent you a message for the rest of this, just makes it easier

  • I don't want to get into a debate here, but it's funny you should mention the atom in your example :

    ' Would you not say to yourself, " Some super-calculating intellect must have designed the properties of the carbon atom, otherwise the chance of my finding such an atom through the blind forces of nature would be utterly minuscule." Of course you would ' - Sir Fred Hoyle FRS.

  • Absolutely true, nothing is designed by accident or luck to 120 decimal places, although I am positive that wont stop those who will refuse to acknowledge GOD as THE Designer of this Universe.

  • We didn't have to wait too long for the predictable dissension. :)

    God bless sister.

  • "Atheism as a religion"

    ^^Fail!!

  • Surely you meant 'Faitheism'. :)

    How do we know there are multiple universes ?

    It's not as if we can see them through the lens of a telescope, can we ?

    We can't test for them physically either, can we ?

    Hugh Everett III had some imagination tho! :)

    God is able.

  • Why are you bringing up

    multiple universes?

    God doesn't exist. The very idea

    of a God, robs mankind of free will,

    and thus makes like meaningless, since

    life would be predetermined.

  • Accuracy of the Creator indeed!

    Thanks for this video. I also like the scene of "the good, the bad and the ugly", is is my favourite movie.

  • That's why i included it. ;)

    God Bless brother.

  • great vid bro. however mans finite mechanisms will never unveil all of the infinite creator. it can reveal pieces (and should) so lets let things like this help our rational minds put some sincereity in our asking god to reveal himself and help us.

    peace

    ONE

  • Thanks Joop, well said.

    God bless bro.

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