Rocky deserves to be on the list, not quite so high. Maybe 10, not his fault or larry holmes fault that they came on the scene at the end of great eras. Does anyone believe the The Rock would've beaten liston?
@teachm3539 marciano was tailor-made for liston. i think had marciano and liston fought it wodda looked alot like the liston/patterson fight or foreman/frazier. that fight is an absolute physical mismatch and marciano would've been destroyed
@jmgnyg So because of that point, I try to shape this comparison thus so; Dominate your weight class, or a couple weight class, dominate your era, by fighting all contenders in said weight classes. No unreasonable comparisons between eras. like things that can't be undon. This is not reasonable because the contingencies are part of preparation and training. We forget how truly devastating Liston was because of his loses to ALI, Same with big George, And that's the definition of Greatness
@1899sharkey Boxing is about outthinking and outsmarting your opponent,its basically chess with fists.Ray Leonard outclassed Duran so badly he literally said no mas and quit,he knocked Tommy Hearns out cold,and outboxed marvin hagler so completely that hagler thought he had been surrounded by 3 Leonards!
@onlyjoetee - Leonard was a great fighter. I was not impressed with him in the 2nd Duran fight or the Hagler fight. He wanted immediate rematches when he lost but made Hearns and Duran wait 8 years for rematches. P4P Duran was better, he proved that in their 1st fight.
@1899sharkey no he wasnt,Ray Leonard was a far more scientific fighter than Duran,he proved that in the 2nd fight clearly!Matches and rematches happen and dont happen for all kinds of reasons,its not as simple as you think.How can anybody like Ali or even Robinsons style and dislike Leonard?that makes no sense at all.Saying Duran was better than leonard is like saying Frazier was better than Ali?!
@onlyjoetee - Duran is rated ahead of Leonard on any credible p4p list. Hell, he kicked his ass after moving up 12 lbs. for their montreal bout. The 2nd bout was a farce and has no bearing on their p4p ratings.Duran, a little past his prime moves up and beats a prime Leonard... that in itself is all the proof you need.
@1899sharkey Boxing in the ring,is not like fighting in the street.This is what people like you never seem to understand!its not about who is the toughest etc,you have to outwit your opponent,outthink him,thats what great fighters do!You see that at its highest level in Leonard/Duran 2 and especially in leonard/Hagler,where one fighter is literally confusing and confounding the other one,he is beating him mentally as well as physically,THAT is scientific boxing!!!
@1899sharkey Thank you..footwork,handspeed,movement,illusiveness,cominations,ability to adapt,to outwit your opponent...the more of these things you have,the greater the boxer you are...Sugar Ray Leonard!!
@1899sharkey one of the things that tells you how truly great a fighter is,is also the footwork.Compare Leonard footwork to Duran,no contest at all,then there is handspeed and combinations,no contest man!!
@1899sharkey you dont need highlight reels,you just have to watch the 3 fights between them.Who has the better footwork?handspeed?combinations?ideas?creativity?who is more dynamic?Leonard could fight the type of fight he did in the first fight,and totally change styles in the second!Duran only knew one way,when that didnt work he quit!!!!thats the difference
@1899sharkey saying Duran is better than Leonard,is like saying Lamotta was better than Robinson?or Frazier was better than Ali?The bull is NEVER better than the matador,NEVER!!
@1899sharkey ask yourself some simple questions,what makes and defines a good boxer?what does he have to have?what does he have to do well?..thats all..im enjoying schooling you,keep coming..
I think you are right on on your number 1 and probably two. The rest everybody is just going to have an opinion on. Ali I think should be higher than 7, Joe Louis being there right also. Not too bad a list all were great fighters. You can't please everybody and you only had 10 spots, so your opinion is the only that matters because it is your list.
IMHO roy jones is/was the best boxer of our era... meaning 90s and up. When he was on top, he was unbeatable.... In the 80s, there are so many greats, Sugar ray, duran, hearns, tyson, just so many but 90s and on, mr "unbeatable" is number #1
ALI - 7 ok your opinion i get that, but!!!!!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahahahahhaahhahahahhahahahahahhaha really.
Muhammad ali the best of all times ! he made Boxing as a Sport and strong presonalty by beaing a human who aganest Blood and War in Vitnam . im sure about that ;)
Roy Jones Jr was a good boxer for his time/period. But I do not see him being on the same caliber as some of the legends in boxing, which in your list you put Roy above them.
pretty gud but i like a whole different style boxinghe must like lunch pale technisions or hweva u spell dat shit bt i like the mover boxers versitile leonards n ali's roys fuk who dnt like mayweathers and 1 or 2 lunchpale boxers bt robinson at the top no doubt
@rihannasbikeseat ino wat it is i box but its more lik ppl that fought in different weights bcuz ali cud b lethal (and was lethal) at heavy but if he went dwn he might be shit thnks anyway im not saying i know everything im jus sayn wat i think
I wrote good fighter Rihana...but it's a matter of opinion, and as someone who's boxed for 20 years, I find Duran good, but not the mythical fighter he was made out to be ! This is true of many fighters who's hype exceeds their talent. Duran had nothing to do with it of course, he was in there (where it counts) sluggin' ... Respect
@gangsta1234life, Ali fighting at Heavyweight doesn't exclude him from p4p consideration at all. Pound for pound means comparing fighters IRRESPECTIVE of weight. A Heavyweight, if he's good enough, can be considered just as easily as a Lightweight,say. And no, before you say it, it's not about who's fought in most weight classes, either. As for Ali's ranking here, 7th is about right, though I'd maybe have him a shade higher and with much different names ahead of him.
It's difficult enough to compare boxers of the same era who haven't fought, let alone fighters across history. Its clear is that people use varying criteria when making their selections.
What are u smoking,Hagler knocked out Hearns but u ve hearns infront of him,what r u smoking,u also have Hearns infront of Mohammed Ali,u must be crazy.This is the real list
10. Mike Tyson 9. Duran 8 Hearns 7. Roy Jones Jr 6. George Foreman 5, Hagler 4. Joe lewis 3. Floyd Mayweather 2 Mohammed Ali 1 sugar ray robinson
The only boxer you got right was #1 Sugar Ray Robinson, but other than that you missed it by a mile. Your actually saying that Roy Jones is greater than Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Julio Cesar Chavez, Willie Pep, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Roberto Duran, Hit Man Hearn’s, Bob Fitzsimmons, Salvador Sanchez, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc.., seriously is that what your saying LOL
@jv9583 1998 RJJ takes any of those you names including the heavyweights who you named, RJJ at heavy wouldve outboxed Ali, Jhonson, Dempsey, Moore, Charles
@cLosbiGbanG Roy Jones Junior was a great boxer, but there is no way in hell he would have been able to withstand Ali or even Tyson. On my list I don’t even think he would make top 20, but I understand that boxing is probably new to you so I get your enthusiasm.
@jv9583 Ive been boxing since I was 8yrs old I am now 18yrs old ive won the 2008 junior olympic metro tournament in nyc, 2008 national junior olympic tournament took 2 yrs off and made it to the finals of the nyc news golden gloves so 10yrs of boxing plus countless hours watching videos on older fighters I think i have enough of a boxing IQ to say a primed rjj would not have gotten blown out by a prime mike tyson. Mike tyson was
@jv9583 a great fighter but 50% of his talent was enabling to instill fear into his opponent. he won 0 fights when his opponents fought baq. I dont think RJJ is an all time great but i dont think he would have got mauled by any top 10 all timer.
@jv9583 i wouldnt be so sure, I got roy jones jr next best p4p of all time after sugar ray, i think hes easily better than all those you just mentioned, them old time boxers are overrated i think, great fighters no doubt but got no movement or skill like some fighters nowadays
@jv9583 How is that so amusing? He might not have accomplished as much as a lot of these on your list, but in terms of pure boxing skill in his prime, he is better then a lot, not all so don't lose your temper please.
¿Roy Jones mejor boxeador que Roberto Durán y MUHAMMAD ALi? Rocky Marciano debe de estar entre los mejores pesos pesados de la historia, pero es ridículo ubicarlo entre los mejores 10 libra por libra, era un boxeador de escasa técnica, que terminó invicto porque "no regaló nada" (error que cometieron Muhammad Ali y principalmente Mike Tyson) y derrotó a rivales al borde del retiro:Ezzard Charles (34 años); Jersey Walcott (38); Archie Moore (40)
My only real issues with this list are 1) Hearns' inclusion at Ray Leonard's exclusion (that's just non sensical) and 2) some of the ordering within the list.
Other than that its actually tough to argue with the picks.
@ch1nmuzak Floyd Mayweather Jr. probably deserves to be on it based on talent and record but I exclude him too on principle for ducking. Should PBF and Pac actaully go through with the most recent rumours and "do this thing", I suspect the Pac is going to get a bit of a boxing lesson. Pac hasn't looked good in his last few. I curse Floyd for not making the fight 3 years ago when they were both prime. Would have been the best bout since Hearns vs Hagler and Duran vs SRL #1. Now it'll be lame.
@nestorius333, not really. Chavez's days as a world champion lasted from 1984 to 1996, 12 years. Duran's world titles began in 1972 and didn't finish until 1990, 18 years. Duran beat future Featherweight champion Ernesto Marcel at 118 lb in 1970 and was beating former Middleweight champion Jeorge Castro at 168 lb in 1997, 27 years later! He beat champions from Featherweight all the way up to Light-Heavyweight. Chavez was great, but he doesn't belong ahead of Duran.
@nestorius333, not really. Chavez's days as a world champion lasted from 1984 to 1996, 12 years. Duran's world titles began in 1972 and didn't finish until 1990, 18 years. Duran beat future Featherweight champion Ernesto Marcel at 118 lb in 1970 and was beating former Middleweight champion Jeorge Castro at 168 lb in 1997, 27 years later! He beat champions from Featherweight all the way up to Light-Heavyweight. Chavez was great, but he doesn't belong ahead of Duran.
@nestorius333 But Duran faced several more dangerous and bigger opponents, has more wins and held titles in more divisions. Easily the greatest Hispanic fighter of all time.
Ali 7th? The guy revolutionised boxing. Hence his name; 'The Greatest' He defeated some of the greatest boxers ever. Lightning quick hands with the power to back it up.
@xFLYB0Y, you think 7th in an all-time pound for pound spot is unfair on Ali? I don't. This isn't a list of most famous / popular boxers, it's about their abilities as a fighter and their achievements. Ali, to me, was the greatest Heavyweight of them all, but pound for pound I'd say that anywhere between 5th and 10th is a reasonable position for him. Personally, I'd have him at 5 / 6.
@RihannasBikeSeat No, he shouldn't be first, I never said that. I just expected him to be higher. I think Ray is right being first although Roy Jones or Joe Luis could compete for that spot aswell.
@xFLYB0Y, fair enough. As it goes, though, Jones would be somewhere around 30 for me, with Louis on the cusp of my top 20, just in it or just outside it depending on my mood.
@RihannasBikeSeat It's not just Jones's skill which I find great to see but it's the way he displays himself in the ring, he makes himself dominate, makes the other boxer feel small to him. Joe Calzaghe though, he's actions are just stupid and needless, can't wait till he gets a good slap.
@RihannasBikeSeat I get what you are saying. But you have to keep in mind, when he won the heavy weight title, he weighed as much as a light heavy weight would weigh today. Had there been appeal to drop to a lower weight division, you would think that he would have dominated there. He is like a roy jones jr ... except he could defend his heavy weight title
It's very subjective, of course, but I can definitely live with Sugar Ray as top dog, althought he's not my own personal choice. I tend to think that Ali edges it, just.
1of5) Wow...This list is almost funny, you must be a new boxing fan,you obviously don't know your boxing history or stats, I mean arguably you may say Tommy Hearns is in the top Ten but I agree with Sonwamac...although he has been criticized about his jaw and legs at times, he is still noted as one of the best pound for pound fighters in boxing, winning championship titles in six different weight class,
(2of5) fighter...one of my favorites but not to have Sugar Ray Leonard even make the list is plain preposterous. We all know about the "Super Fight" in 1987 when Sugar came out of retirement from a 3yr hiatus and defeated Hagler...and please don't mention "the fight was controversy" or "he have to knockout the champion" not true at all...a true boxer (such as Leonard) can easily steal a fight by out boxing,out class,
(3of5) and just simply out smart which is exactly what he done to Hagler. Now I could go straight on down the list with this ridiculous so callTop Ten...to have the likes of Marciano even on the list and Roy Jones as #5 further comfirms your lack of knowledge in boxing...sorry. here's a quick little example of what a real boxing pound for pound best fighters should look like. Remember a top list is arguably a ever changing
(2of5) boxing pound for pound best fighters should look like. Remember a top list is arguably a ever changing list but this is more reasonable and sensible and many experts will agree with me as I am a former Golden Glove Champion and presently a boxing coach. #10 Willie Pep # 9 Archie Moore #8 Gene Fullmer #7 Jack Johnson #6Floyd Mayweather (Don't be Surprise) Mayweather has made his mark and already
has a guaranteed spot in boxing hall of fame, actually I feel his top ten ranking will go up by the time he defeat Manny Pacuiao and retire. ok lets continue #5 Mike Tyson #4 Sugar Ray Leonard #3 Joe Frazier(r.i.p) #2 Muhamaad Ali and last be certainly not least #1 Sugar Ray Robinson The only one you had right... even you know that much...no offense but do more of your boxing homework and stop pissin' us real boxing experts and fans off!
duran at 1i0?? your an idiot the best lightweight to ever step into the ring and you rank him 10??? muhamad ali at 7??? you must have been drunk when making this video you idiot
@nialloconnor1234, Duran at 10 is hardly a disgrace to him. If Duran makes a top 10 - and I think he does, just about - then it's only by a small margin. Fantastic Lightweight, very good Welterweight, but we can't ingore that his career post-Leonard was, at best, a 'no score draw' for him. He's a borderline top 10 man for me, anywhere between, say, 8th and 12th would be fair for him. I'd also say that Ali being at 7th isn't all that bad, the problem is who this guy has put ahead of him!
first of all i dont know how you can put hearns above hagler when haglaer destroyed hearns in 2 rounds. i agree with joe louis being in the top 5 but personally i would put him 1 one place above marciano. yes i know rocky beat louis but lets be honest joe was way past it when he fought rocky. finally i know its an argument that will go on forever but i would also put homicide hank above sugar ray. but like i said that an argument between boxing fans that will go on forever.
@MrRamdogg, Tyson 'changed the game' no more than Dempsey, Louis and Ali had done before. It's about how talented they were, what they achieved and how dominant they were across their era, not how popular they were or how nice they look on carefully-edited highlight reels. Tyson belongs nowhere near this list. It's debatable if he's even a top 10 Heavyweight of all time, let alone pound for pound. Mayweather will make my top 20 when he beats Pacquiao.
@RihannasBikeSeat first off great name, who wouldn't want to be rihanna's bike seat LOL! back to business tyson is one of the top ten heavyweights for sure, maybe even top five. and why do we all rate floyd so low? it couldnt be the skill...the man fights 12 rounds plus with no damage...maybe the way he markets himself killed the legacy
@muhammadumarJA, the thing with Mayweather is, he's talented enough to be a top 10 all-time man. However, I think he's wasted the last few years of his career to a certain extent. Still, as I said if he beats Pacquiao he's low end top 20 for me, which is reason enough to celebrate him. Tyson? Not sure a top 10 Heavyweight spot is a given to be honest. Doesn't have the wins and lost too many close fights.
@MrRamdogg 1of 2 I'm not sure Tyson did change the game. A exciting fighter who had all the punches, but came with a suspect chin and questionable stamina. Everyone remembers the 19 year old Tyson & forgets that that was his peak. Never did his early promise justice, & after Spinks & Holmes (who were past their primes) he failed to show up against anyone else of particularly note.
heartbreak1819 knows boxing! ppl call ali the greatest because of the hype machine he created...dont get me wrong that's a part of boxing...but im assuming this list was made based on skills and there's no doubt the most skilled boxer in history was RAY ROBINSON even ali copied everything about him, even the shorts. like i said before if you dont like the list say what you would change and stop crying..and whats wrong with the song? perfect for boxing greats!
@muhammadumarJA... Sugar Ray (Robinson) works as number one. If its REALLY based on skill, heart, ring intelligence and dominance in his era Ali has to be number two or its a bullshit rating...that's my view. Although I don't have too vehement an argument against Henry Armstrong. Certainly NO argument of him in the top five. He is not well enough known by this generation of boxing fans
@sonwamac when looking at these lists ppl tend to only think about the fighter in his prime but if you include the whole career how could ali be top five? no one ever beat on armstrong even when he got old and the man had like 200 fights. dont get me wrong ali is my brother! and if the list was just about fighters in their prime i would agree with you on sayin ali and robinson at the top!
@muhammadumarJA ...boxing is not like other sports where they play seasons that have the same number of games. In baseball for instance you can compare Barry Bonds and Hank Aaron that way cuz they both participated in 162 game seasons every year. In a boxing career one fighter has 60 fights another has over 200. By your criterion Archie Moore should be number one. No in boxing evaluating them in their prime and according to thier dominance in their era is the only fair way of doing it
@sonwamac thank you for some reason i thought boxing was like other sports ? what :S...for me the only fair way to go about things is to look at the whole picture! and i dont care what until of measure you're using nobody thinks archie moore is the best, not even his mother. a matter a fact mrs.moore even thinks robinson is the g.o.a.t
@muhammadumarJA Oh you thought boxing was like other sports?. Now i see why your analasys is so flawed. Boxing absolutely is NOT like other sports. Other sports have on commisioner, a regulated schedule, a regulated system of competition. The Packers can't choose to play Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl and call themselves champions. There's a playoff system based on standardised criterion. Not so in boxing. that's why youreally HAVE to know the sport to evaluate it.
@sonwamac you seem to have thrown in the towel on talking about boxing...just post ur top ten so i could see your great analysis first hand. " yall dont know anything about boxing" roger mayweather
@muhammadumarJA... Roger Mayweather?? Has he woke up yet from his last knock out? I think that dude was knocked out in the last ten fights he had. he definitely aint makin the top ten... LMAO
@muhammadumarJA... and if you don't know the greatness of Archie Moore you really DON'T know boxing. He was a lightheavy weight champion who completely and utterly dominated tha division. He fought for heavyweight title and lost fights to Marciano, Floyd Patterson and Ali. So if that's your reference to him you may not know much. Cuz before the fights or aside from the fights with those guys he as considered one of the greatest pound of pound of his generation.
are you retarded???? first off Hearns got his ass kicked by Hagler and Hagler kicked SR ass' and your gonna put Ali at 7....stop making videos your influencing how people think and you should know better when you know nothing about boxing
At first I thought you were completely out of your mind when I saw Hearns and Roy Jones ahead of Ali but your list got more compelling toward the end.
if you think your favorite boxer was missed...you have to name who he would have beat out. there's only ten spots on the list! im a big tyson fan and i thought he was a better boxer than duran, BUT you have to keep in mind Mr. Duran lead a whole country and for that reason he just might have been better.
VERY HARD TO MAKE A TOP TEN LIST but i agree with this one! and can someone explain to me what difference pound for pound makes? in my opinion NONE
I soon as saw that you rated glass jawed tooth pick legged Tommy Hearns ahead of Ali i stopped watching this stupid video cuz i knew you weren't serious. Mikey is right it wouldn't have been any less ridiculous if you had had Rocky Balboa rated here. I didn't watch the rest of this. Who'd you have as number one? Primo Carnera?
Like the video but I have some problems with the order. One of them is a huge problem. How on earth is "The Greatest" ALI down at number 7. Number 1 is where he should be and that's not even up for debate.
For all of you bashing on RJJ, he definitely belongs in the top 10, just not 5th, probably more like 9th or 10th. When he was on the top of his game he could make anyone look silly. It's just been sad that he won't give it up when he doesn't have the hunger to win anymore.
@zr1chris1, erm, I think it is up for debate, seeing as Ali himself has admitted, several times, that even he can't compare to Robinson, and that the original Sugar Ray is out on his own as the pound for pound greatest. Ali was great but not the top man. As for Jones, superb fighter in his day but top ten is a little too generous. Top 30 (lower end) probably seems about right for him. Light-Heavyweight was his best weight, for instance, but I'd pick a few great 175 lb men to clean his clock.
Roy jones and Marciano should not be on the list. Roy jones fought a bunch of bums and lost when he met with someone average. A lot of Marciano's fights were fixed by the mafia.
hearns over duran???? do u know how hearns beat duran? watch hearns interview he set it up by schedulling the fight to be at a time when duran had put on and lost weight rapidly just to be able to meet the fight and was completely out of shape
an in shape and in form duran would have annihalated hearns it wouldn't have even been a contest
@Jafs, that was Leonard who pushed for a fight when Duran was stuffing his face, down at Welterweight. I'd always rank Duran WELL ahead of Hearns pound for pound, by the way - but the truth is, at Light-Middleweight (which is where they fought) Hearns would have always beaten him. Duran, quite simply, was just a natural Lightweight. He was overmatched against Hearns. Had they been the same size, I'd pick Duran all day long, but Hearns at 154 lb was far too big for him. He was mad for trying it!
@abdi1983, I was talking about Duran FAR outranking Hearns pound for pound, cock jockey. Learn to read. As for Leonard, yep, I'd rate him behind Duran pound for pound, too, but by a much smaller margin. Duran's Lightweight career is better than Leonard's Welterweight career, and in the fight which mattered most, Duran beat Leonard at Leonard's best weight. You need to understand - the 'four kings' era made Leonard, Hearns and Duran legends. But Duran was already a legend long before.
@RihannasBikeSeat - You're right on. Duran moved UP in weight and beat Leonard in their only real fight.Duran was way out of shape(his fault) for the return and quit when Ray wouldn't come within 10ft.of him,Leonard won the fight but it was a joke from the start. Hearns is about as close to Duran p4p in their primes as Detroit is to Panama.The Duran at Montreal would of stopped the best Hearns at welter.
@1899sharkey No, he wouldn't. He was at a great style disadvantage. I say Duran is in the top ten p4p, hearns at the teens. Just because a fighter is ranked above another, doesn't mean he can beat everyone behind him.
@carmodifire - Hearns had two big superfights, Leopnard and Hagler, he was k.o.d in both. The Duran of montreal would of smoked Tommy. Dont confuse the Duran that tommy k.o.d to the one at montreal. Tommy had REAL weak legs and not the best jaw, a fifteen rounder against a great pressure fighter was Tommys death knell.
@carmodifire - And btw on my list being ranked ahead of a fighter does mean you can beat the fighters behind you. What good is a list where your no.8 man can beat your no.6man,where your no.4 man can beat no. 2? I dont rate who had the best CAREER, i rate who i think is the best fighter at his very best.
@1899sharkey Because styles make fights. Duran had trouble with speedy boxer types. I would understand if the Duran-Hearns was competitive, but it was a complete mismatch. Foreman destroyed Frazier, Ali had a very tough time with him, but Ali beat Foreman. But I also rate boxers like the way you do.
@carmodifire - Styles do make fights but doesn't always determine the outcome. Hearns would not have been able to dictate the pace against that maniac in montreal. Tommy would of had a real hard time landing cleanly enough to hurt him. Cuevas was maneuvered into position for the right but he was straight up an down and very easy to hit. Hearns was very good and a great warrior but i'll take that '80 Duran to beat a '81 Hearns.
@1899sharkey I see what you're saying, but Hearns took barely 2 rounds to beat Duran. If Duran brawled with Hearns, Hearns would be landing even more shots than that. Yes, he would get hurt, but he went 3 with Hagler, so I think he'd last long enough to beat Duran, even if he decided to brawl. Leonard outboxed Duran, and Hearns had better boxing than Leonard (if hearns wasn't 145 and overtrained, he may have won) and enough power that Leonard didn't have.
@carmodifire -Absolutely no comparison between the two Durans. Duran was boxing even when it looked like brawling. Hearns wouldn't k.o.. a prime Duran and would tire from the pace if he wasn't dictating the pace. Weak legs and not real good 15 round stamina would be the difference. Leonard let Hearns dictate the pace for most of their fight or he could of wore Tommy down earlier. Ray wasn't willing to absorb the punches and pressure Tommy till he had to.
@1899sharkey Duran was invincible when infighting, Hearns was when outboxing. Prime was LW Duran, prime hearns was 154. Hearns was underweight because he overtrained for Leonard 1. Hearns couldn't land flush until late, when he got tired, so it didn't do as much damage as it could have early. Duran would HAVE to come on early, or else move like Leonard. He couldn't do that, so he'd have to be like Hagler, but Hearns wasn't at his best there.
@carmodifire - Yes, Duran was prime as lightweight but was so great that even as a welter he beat Leonard who although i dont care for i must admit is an atg at welter. We will just agree to disaree. I'm not knocking Hearns but in Duran were talking about a tried and true atg. Cheers.
@1899sharkey Ok. Duran was crazy though, I didn't think much of him until I was saw him at the lower weights, and beating Barkley in his old age...wow.
@TownIdiot121 It was based on Chuck Wepner, who fought Ali towards the end of Ali's career. A great deal of the stuff was quite similar to 'Smoking' Joe's formative years, though.
WRONG....HOW CAN SRR BE BETTER THAN RMS........RMS BEAT SRR.....MUPPET
mrtoptenatten 20 hours ago
I don't think someone has ever been so wrong in a top P4P ranking list.
tbeard91 4 days ago
Rocky deserves to be on the list, not quite so high. Maybe 10, not his fault or larry holmes fault that they came on the scene at the end of great eras. Does anyone believe the The Rock would've beaten liston?
teachm3539 1 week ago
@teachm3539 marciano was tailor-made for liston. i think had marciano and liston fought it wodda looked alot like the liston/patterson fight or foreman/frazier. that fight is an absolute physical mismatch and marciano would've been destroyed
jmgnyg 1 week ago
@jmgnyg So because of that point, I try to shape this comparison thus so; Dominate your weight class, or a couple weight class, dominate your era, by fighting all contenders in said weight classes. No unreasonable comparisons between eras. like things that can't be undon. This is not reasonable because the contingencies are part of preparation and training. We forget how truly devastating Liston was because of his loses to ALI, Same with big George, And that's the definition of Greatness
teachm3539 5 days ago
If you say, in no particular order then I'd agree upto number 6. I love the hitman, but Ali's ability to take a punch would put him higher. Imho
teachm3539 1 week ago
how can you have Duran Hagler and Hearns,but not Leonard?the man who outclassed all 3 of em??
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - " outclassed all three of them" More like outran all three of them.
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey Boxing is about outthinking and outsmarting your opponent,its basically chess with fists.Ray Leonard outclassed Duran so badly he literally said no mas and quit,he knocked Tommy Hearns out cold,and outboxed marvin hagler so completely that hagler thought he had been surrounded by 3 Leonards!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - Leonard was a great fighter. I was not impressed with him in the 2nd Duran fight or the Hagler fight. He wanted immediate rematches when he lost but made Hearns and Duran wait 8 years for rematches. P4P Duran was better, he proved that in their 1st fight.
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey no he wasnt,Ray Leonard was a far more scientific fighter than Duran,he proved that in the 2nd fight clearly!Matches and rematches happen and dont happen for all kinds of reasons,its not as simple as you think.How can anybody like Ali or even Robinsons style and dislike Leonard?that makes no sense at all.Saying Duran was better than leonard is like saying Frazier was better than Ali?!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - Duran is rated ahead of Leonard on any credible p4p list. Hell, he kicked his ass after moving up 12 lbs. for their montreal bout. The 2nd bout was a farce and has no bearing on their p4p ratings.Duran, a little past his prime moves up and beats a prime Leonard... that in itself is all the proof you need.
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey Boxing in the ring,is not like fighting in the street.This is what people like you never seem to understand!its not about who is the toughest etc,you have to outwit your opponent,outthink him,thats what great fighters do!You see that at its highest level in Leonard/Duran 2 and especially in leonard/Hagler,where one fighter is literally confusing and confounding the other one,he is beating him mentally as well as physically,THAT is scientific boxing!!!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - O.K. novice, whatever you say.
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey Thank you..footwork,handspeed,movement,illusiveness,cominations,ability to adapt,to outwit your opponent...the more of these things you have,the greater the boxer you are...Sugar Ray Leonard!!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@1899sharkey one of the things that tells you how truly great a fighter is,is also the footwork.Compare Leonard footwork to Duran,no contest at all,then there is handspeed and combinations,no contest man!!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - Quit embarassing yourself. Go watch some highlight reels. Leonard couldn't wipe Durans ass.
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey you dont need highlight reels,you just have to watch the 3 fights between them.Who has the better footwork?handspeed?combinations?ideas?creativity?who is more dynamic?Leonard could fight the type of fight he did in the first fight,and totally change styles in the second!Duran only knew one way,when that didnt work he quit!!!!thats the difference
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@1899sharkey saying Duran is better than Leonard,is like saying Lamotta was better than Robinson?or Frazier was better than Ali?The bull is NEVER better than the matador,NEVER!!
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@1899sharkey i enjoy schooling guys like you about boxing..LOL..
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
@onlyjoetee - You're a real ignorant guy. Go school your Mammy!
1899sharkey 1 week ago
@1899sharkey ask yourself some simple questions,what makes and defines a good boxer?what does he have to have?what does he have to do well?..thats all..im enjoying schooling you,keep coming..
onlyjoetee 1 week ago
cold play , yeah great fight music! wow amazing!
Nicolandime 1 week ago
I think you are right on on your number 1 and probably two. The rest everybody is just going to have an opinion on. Ali I think should be higher than 7, Joe Louis being there right also. Not too bad a list all were great fighters. You can't please everybody and you only had 10 spots, so your opinion is the only that matters because it is your list.
daufas 1 week ago
chavez is much underated in these lists but in fact he was defo in top ten p4p all time
sugarray50 1 week ago
what about pacman and mayweather
peachycheekz 1 week ago
this is a bullshit list. Ali was the best. how do you leave out mayweather jr
2KUTE4YU5 1 week ago
this song goes great because these guys use to rule the world boxing number 1
ItsDatGirlJordz 2 weeks ago
IMHO roy jones is/was the best boxer of our era... meaning 90s and up. When he was on top, he was unbeatable.... In the 80s, there are so many greats, Sugar ray, duran, hearns, tyson, just so many but 90s and on, mr "unbeatable" is number #1
suppaman12 2 weeks ago
sugar rayrobinson 1, ali 2, pacman 3
mcclellandcourier 2 weeks ago
ALI - 7 ok your opinion i get that, but!!!!!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahahahahhaahhahahahhahahahahahhaha really.
snoopyprobbing 3 weeks ago
George Foreman!Are you serious?
mimiSON 3 weeks ago
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Muhammad ali the best of all times ! he made Boxing as a Sport and strong presonalty by beaing a human who aganest Blood and War in Vitnam . im sure about that ;)
Saad3431 1 month ago
Roy jones hand writing was fucked up
Highestmedal 1 month ago
Chavez 86-0 An fought anyone.
Highestmedal 1 month ago
1:Muhammad ali 2:mike tyson 3: george foreman
y6421472 1 month ago
@y6421472 Tyson at #2? you have got to be joking me. Even ali at #1 is a stretch, he at least got #1 right.
CRyan0413 2 weeks ago
i dont know if you are exactly right but ALL of those fighters are really really GREAT FIGHTERS.thank you
dempsey981 1 month ago
Roy Jones Jr was a good boxer for his time/period. But I do not see him being on the same caliber as some of the legends in boxing, which in your list you put Roy above them.
pimpjuice739 1 month ago
you need correct the positions
samirbok15 1 month ago
The first pic after you name Armstrong is actually Ray Robinson.
bteniswood 1 month ago
pretty gud but i like a whole different style boxinghe must like lunch pale technisions or hweva u spell dat shit bt i like the mover boxers versitile leonards n ali's roys fuk who dnt like mayweathers and 1 or 2 lunchpale boxers bt robinson at the top no doubt
leondre1211 1 month ago
@leondre1211 your communication skills suck
Saxe333 1 month ago
@rihannasbikeseat ino wat it is i box but its more lik ppl that fought in different weights bcuz ali cud b lethal (and was lethal) at heavy but if he went dwn he might be shit thnks anyway im not saying i know everything im jus sayn wat i think
gangsta1234life 1 month ago
Marciano 3 ??!! He has no boxing skills !!
frenchgoldenboyfan 1 month ago
I wrote good fighter Rihana...but it's a matter of opinion, and as someone who's boxed for 20 years, I find Duran good, but not the mythical fighter he was made out to be ! This is true of many fighters who's hype exceeds their talent. Duran had nothing to do with it of course, he was in there (where it counts) sluggin' ... Respect
toons999 1 month ago
are you retarded how is ali 7 ??? and how is he in p4p he fought at heavy weight thats it get your shit right before u make shit vids
gangsta1234life 1 month ago
@gangsta1234life, Ali fighting at Heavyweight doesn't exclude him from p4p consideration at all. Pound for pound means comparing fighters IRRESPECTIVE of weight. A Heavyweight, if he's good enough, can be considered just as easily as a Lightweight,say. And no, before you say it, it's not about who's fought in most weight classes, either. As for Ali's ranking here, 7th is about right, though I'd maybe have him a shade higher and with much different names ahead of him.
RihannasBikeSeat 1 month ago
@RihannasBikeSeat - Its amazing how many dont understand what p4p nmeans. You've got it right.
1899sharkey 1 month ago
what about jcc retard
alexmma1 1 month ago
It's difficult enough to compare boxers of the same era who haven't fought, let alone fighters across history. Its clear is that people use varying criteria when making their selections.
sl11tenderhand 2 months ago
the 0nly b0xer wh0 was rated at 8 divisi0n w0rld titles is manny pacquia0.. be 0bjective f0lks..
pinoypong23 2 months ago
What are u smoking,Hagler knocked out Hearns but u ve hearns infront of him,what r u smoking,u also have Hearns infront of Mohammed Ali,u must be crazy.This is the real list
10. Mike Tyson 9. Duran 8 Hearns 7. Roy Jones Jr 6. George Foreman 5, Hagler 4. Joe lewis 3. Floyd Mayweather 2 Mohammed Ali 1 sugar ray robinson
Now thats a list.
deepbg1 2 months ago
It's Nice To Remember The Older Fighter's, BUT To Not Have Pacquiao ???? WTF ????
dabody666 2 months ago
I agree with most of the fighters NOT the ranking however AND Roberto Duran's not in their league...good fighter, but not in their league
toons999 2 months ago
@toons999, Duran is a class above some of the other fighters in this list.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
Its an ok list but you need to do more research and learn more about boxing...
Ztnarf1985 2 months ago
The only boxer you got right was #1 Sugar Ray Robinson, but other than that you missed it by a mile. Your actually saying that Roy Jones is greater than Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Julio Cesar Chavez, Willie Pep, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Roberto Duran, Hit Man Hearn’s, Bob Fitzsimmons, Salvador Sanchez, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc.., seriously is that what your saying LOL
jv9583 2 months ago 13
@jv9583 1998 RJJ takes any of those you names including the heavyweights who you named, RJJ at heavy wouldve outboxed Ali, Jhonson, Dempsey, Moore, Charles
cLosbiGbanG 1 month ago
@cLosbiGbanG If I were you I wopuld stick to tiddleywinks because you boxing knowledge is laughable.
Saxe333 1 month ago
@Saxe333 smd nigguh i would use my boxing knowledge to fuck u up nigguh watch ma vids n stfu
cLosbiGbanG 1 month ago
@cLosbiGbanG Roy Jones Junior was a great boxer, but there is no way in hell he would have been able to withstand Ali or even Tyson. On my list I don’t even think he would make top 20, but I understand that boxing is probably new to you so I get your enthusiasm.
jv9583 1 month ago
@jv9583 Ive been boxing since I was 8yrs old I am now 18yrs old ive won the 2008 junior olympic metro tournament in nyc, 2008 national junior olympic tournament took 2 yrs off and made it to the finals of the nyc news golden gloves so 10yrs of boxing plus countless hours watching videos on older fighters I think i have enough of a boxing IQ to say a primed rjj would not have gotten blown out by a prime mike tyson. Mike tyson was
cLosbiGbanG 1 month ago
@jv9583 a great fighter but 50% of his talent was enabling to instill fear into his opponent. he won 0 fights when his opponents fought baq. I dont think RJJ is an all time great but i dont think he would have got mauled by any top 10 all timer.
cLosbiGbanG 1 month ago
@jv9583 Roy had VERY fast hands and great power,he could have easily knocked out about 20% if the people you've named,but i do agree with you.
MAJESTYOFFICIAL 1 month ago
@jv9583 i wouldnt be so sure, I got roy jones jr next best p4p of all time after sugar ray, i think hes easily better than all those you just mentioned, them old time boxers are overrated i think, great fighters no doubt but got no movement or skill like some fighters nowadays
fasthandsryan 1 month ago
@jv9583 u forgot butterbean hahah
snoopyprobbing 3 weeks ago
@jv9583 How is that so amusing? He might not have accomplished as much as a lot of these on your list, but in terms of pure boxing skill in his prime, he is better then a lot, not all so don't lose your temper please.
flamezero888V2 1 week ago
¿Roy Jones mejor boxeador que Roberto Durán y MUHAMMAD ALi? Rocky Marciano debe de estar entre los mejores pesos pesados de la historia, pero es ridículo ubicarlo entre los mejores 10 libra por libra, era un boxeador de escasa técnica, que terminó invicto porque "no regaló nada" (error que cometieron Muhammad Ali y principalmente Mike Tyson) y derrotó a rivales al borde del retiro:Ezzard Charles (34 años); Jersey Walcott (38); Archie Moore (40)
rbrtdornel 2 months ago
George Foreman? 9th place? You're a fuckin fool. lol, Foreman in his prime, would crush any of todays boxers.
RooRealm 2 months ago
My only real issues with this list are 1) Hearns' inclusion at Ray Leonard's exclusion (that's just non sensical) and 2) some of the ordering within the list.
Other than that its actually tough to argue with the picks.
ch1nmuzak 2 months ago
@ch1nmuzak Floyd Mayweather Jr. probably deserves to be on it based on talent and record but I exclude him too on principle for ducking. Should PBF and Pac actaully go through with the most recent rumours and "do this thing", I suspect the Pac is going to get a bit of a boxing lesson. Pac hasn't looked good in his last few. I curse Floyd for not making the fight 3 years ago when they were both prime. Would have been the best bout since Hearns vs Hagler and Duran vs SRL #1. Now it'll be lame.
ch1nmuzak 2 months ago
wheres mayweather and pacquaoi and henry couper and mike tyson??
SUPERMILNE97 2 months ago
Chavez lasted more time at best P4P, way better then Duran
nestorius333 2 months ago 2
@nestorius333, not really. Chavez's days as a world champion lasted from 1984 to 1996, 12 years. Duran's world titles began in 1972 and didn't finish until 1990, 18 years. Duran beat future Featherweight champion Ernesto Marcel at 118 lb in 1970 and was beating former Middleweight champion Jeorge Castro at 168 lb in 1997, 27 years later! He beat champions from Featherweight all the way up to Light-Heavyweight. Chavez was great, but he doesn't belong ahead of Duran.
RihannasBikeSeat 1 month ago
@RihannasBikeSeat Amen to that. I love Chavez but the great " Hands of Stone" was even respected by the heavyweights of his time!
MrRaiderfan1000 1 month ago
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@nestorius333, not really. Chavez's days as a world champion lasted from 1984 to 1996, 12 years. Duran's world titles began in 1972 and didn't finish until 1990, 18 years. Duran beat future Featherweight champion Ernesto Marcel at 118 lb in 1970 and was beating former Middleweight champion Jeorge Castro at 168 lb in 1997, 27 years later! He beat champions from Featherweight all the way up to Light-Heavyweight. Chavez was great, but he doesn't belong ahead of Duran.
RihannasBikeSeat 1 month ago
@nestorius333 But Duran faced several more dangerous and bigger opponents, has more wins and held titles in more divisions. Easily the greatest Hispanic fighter of all time.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@nestorius333 Lasted more time as best p4p? What does that even mean? Don't think you know how this works.
adrenacrumb 1 week ago
Yes at least he got number one right..Sugar Ray all the way
sonwamac 2 months ago
this video is alright
2pacback2014 2 months ago
this video is fake. you forgot the best JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ. IIIS ONE OF THE BEST. AVER..
pedroguzman68 2 months ago
Ali 7th? The guy revolutionised boxing. Hence his name; 'The Greatest' He defeated some of the greatest boxers ever. Lightning quick hands with the power to back it up.
xFLYB0Y 2 months ago
@xFLYB0Y, you think 7th in an all-time pound for pound spot is unfair on Ali? I don't. This isn't a list of most famous / popular boxers, it's about their abilities as a fighter and their achievements. Ali, to me, was the greatest Heavyweight of them all, but pound for pound I'd say that anywhere between 5th and 10th is a reasonable position for him. Personally, I'd have him at 5 / 6.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat No, he shouldn't be first, I never said that. I just expected him to be higher. I think Ray is right being first although Roy Jones or Joe Luis could compete for that spot aswell.
xFLYB0Y 2 months ago
@xFLYB0Y, fair enough. As it goes, though, Jones would be somewhere around 30 for me, with Louis on the cusp of my top 20, just in it or just outside it depending on my mood.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat It's not just Jones's skill which I find great to see but it's the way he displays himself in the ring, he makes himself dominate, makes the other boxer feel small to him. Joe Calzaghe though, he's actions are just stupid and needless, can't wait till he gets a good slap.
xFLYB0Y 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat I get what you are saying. But you have to keep in mind, when he won the heavy weight title, he weighed as much as a light heavy weight would weigh today. Had there been appeal to drop to a lower weight division, you would think that he would have dominated there. He is like a roy jones jr ... except he could defend his heavy weight title
MegaWatcher84 2 months ago
It's very subjective, of course, but I can definitely live with Sugar Ray as top dog, althought he's not my own personal choice. I tend to think that Ali edges it, just.
ericfaragh 2 months ago
1of5) Wow...This list is almost funny, you must be a new boxing fan,you obviously don't know your boxing history or stats, I mean arguably you may say Tommy Hearns is in the top Ten but I agree with Sonwamac...although he has been criticized about his jaw and legs at times, he is still noted as one of the best pound for pound fighters in boxing, winning championship titles in six different weight class,
thaddboo 2 months ago
(2of5) fighter...one of my favorites but not to have Sugar Ray Leonard even make the list is plain preposterous. We all know about the "Super Fight" in 1987 when Sugar came out of retirement from a 3yr hiatus and defeated Hagler...and please don't mention "the fight was controversy" or "he have to knockout the champion" not true at all...a true boxer (such as Leonard) can easily steal a fight by out boxing,out class,
thaddboo 2 months ago
(3of5) and just simply out smart which is exactly what he done to Hagler. Now I could go straight on down the list with this ridiculous so callTop Ten...to have the likes of Marciano even on the list and Roy Jones as #5 further comfirms your lack of knowledge in boxing...sorry. here's a quick little example of what a real boxing pound for pound best fighters should look like. Remember a top list is arguably a ever changing
thaddboo 2 months ago
(2of5) boxing pound for pound best fighters should look like. Remember a top list is arguably a ever changing list but this is more reasonable and sensible and many experts will agree with me as I am a former Golden Glove Champion and presently a boxing coach. #10 Willie Pep # 9 Archie Moore #8 Gene Fullmer #7 Jack Johnson #6Floyd Mayweather (Don't be Surprise) Mayweather has made his mark and already
thaddboo 2 months ago
(1of5)
has a guaranteed spot in boxing hall of fame, actually I feel his top ten ranking will go up by the time he defeat Manny Pacuiao and retire. ok lets continue #5 Mike Tyson #4 Sugar Ray Leonard #3 Joe Frazier(r.i.p) #2 Muhamaad Ali and last be certainly not least #1 Sugar Ray Robinson The only one you had right... even you know that much...no offense but do more of your boxing homework and stop pissin' us real boxing experts and fans off!
thaddboo 2 months ago
GOOD FLOYD GAY WHETER IS NOT ON THE LIST !!!!!
roa1044 2 months ago
duran at 1i0?? your an idiot the best lightweight to ever step into the ring and you rank him 10??? muhamad ali at 7??? you must have been drunk when making this video you idiot
nialloconnor1234 2 months ago
@nialloconnor1234, Duran at 10 is hardly a disgrace to him. If Duran makes a top 10 - and I think he does, just about - then it's only by a small margin. Fantastic Lightweight, very good Welterweight, but we can't ingore that his career post-Leonard was, at best, a 'no score draw' for him. He's a borderline top 10 man for me, anywhere between, say, 8th and 12th would be fair for him. I'd also say that Ali being at 7th isn't all that bad, the problem is who this guy has put ahead of him!
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
WHO NECKS?!
NateTheG0v 2 months ago
What?!
Are you serious?
Muhammad Ali number7?
nassimb12 2 months ago
oh yeah one more thing, WHERE THE HELL IS JACK DEMPSEY? he should be in anyones top 10!!!!!
crispee1978 3 months ago
first of all i dont know how you can put hearns above hagler when haglaer destroyed hearns in 2 rounds. i agree with joe louis being in the top 5 but personally i would put him 1 one place above marciano. yes i know rocky beat louis but lets be honest joe was way past it when he fought rocky. finally i know its an argument that will go on forever but i would also put homicide hank above sugar ray. but like i said that an argument between boxing fans that will go on forever.
crispee1978 3 months ago
where is floyed and tyson regaurdless what ya think tyson changed the game and mayweather has not been beat
MrRamdogg 3 months ago
@MrRamdogg, Tyson 'changed the game' no more than Dempsey, Louis and Ali had done before. It's about how talented they were, what they achieved and how dominant they were across their era, not how popular they were or how nice they look on carefully-edited highlight reels. Tyson belongs nowhere near this list. It's debatable if he's even a top 10 Heavyweight of all time, let alone pound for pound. Mayweather will make my top 20 when he beats Pacquiao.
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat first off great name, who wouldn't want to be rihanna's bike seat LOL! back to business tyson is one of the top ten heavyweights for sure, maybe even top five. and why do we all rate floyd so low? it couldnt be the skill...the man fights 12 rounds plus with no damage...maybe the way he markets himself killed the legacy
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA, the thing with Mayweather is, he's talented enough to be a top 10 all-time man. However, I think he's wasted the last few years of his career to a certain extent. Still, as I said if he beats Pacquiao he's low end top 20 for me, which is reason enough to celebrate him. Tyson? Not sure a top 10 Heavyweight spot is a given to be honest. Doesn't have the wins and lost too many close fights.
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
@MrRamdogg 1of 2 I'm not sure Tyson did change the game. A exciting fighter who had all the punches, but came with a suspect chin and questionable stamina. Everyone remembers the 19 year old Tyson & forgets that that was his peak. Never did his early promise justice, & after Spinks & Holmes (who were past their primes) he failed to show up against anyone else of particularly note.
sl11tenderhand 2 months ago
Having Rocky Marciono in the top 10 is almost laughable. Ali, number 7? Really?
j2011carter 3 months ago
heartbreak1819 knows boxing! ppl call ali the greatest because of the hype machine he created...dont get me wrong that's a part of boxing...but im assuming this list was made based on skills and there's no doubt the most skilled boxer in history was RAY ROBINSON even ali copied everything about him, even the shorts. like i said before if you dont like the list say what you would change and stop crying..and whats wrong with the song? perfect for boxing greats!
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA... Sugar Ray (Robinson) works as number one. If its REALLY based on skill, heart, ring intelligence and dominance in his era Ali has to be number two or its a bullshit rating...that's my view. Although I don't have too vehement an argument against Henry Armstrong. Certainly NO argument of him in the top five. He is not well enough known by this generation of boxing fans
sonwamac 3 months ago
@sonwamac when looking at these lists ppl tend to only think about the fighter in his prime but if you include the whole career how could ali be top five? no one ever beat on armstrong even when he got old and the man had like 200 fights. dont get me wrong ali is my brother! and if the list was just about fighters in their prime i would agree with you on sayin ali and robinson at the top!
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA ...boxing is not like other sports where they play seasons that have the same number of games. In baseball for instance you can compare Barry Bonds and Hank Aaron that way cuz they both participated in 162 game seasons every year. In a boxing career one fighter has 60 fights another has over 200. By your criterion Archie Moore should be number one. No in boxing evaluating them in their prime and according to thier dominance in their era is the only fair way of doing it
sonwamac 3 months ago
@sonwamac thank you for some reason i thought boxing was like other sports ? what :S...for me the only fair way to go about things is to look at the whole picture! and i dont care what until of measure you're using nobody thinks archie moore is the best, not even his mother. a matter a fact mrs.moore even thinks robinson is the g.o.a.t
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA Oh you thought boxing was like other sports?. Now i see why your analasys is so flawed. Boxing absolutely is NOT like other sports. Other sports have on commisioner, a regulated schedule, a regulated system of competition. The Packers can't choose to play Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl and call themselves champions. There's a playoff system based on standardised criterion. Not so in boxing. that's why youreally HAVE to know the sport to evaluate it.
sonwamac 3 months ago
@sonwamac you seem to have thrown in the towel on talking about boxing...just post ur top ten so i could see your great analysis first hand. " yall dont know anything about boxing" roger mayweather
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA... Roger Mayweather?? Has he woke up yet from his last knock out? I think that dude was knocked out in the last ten fights he had. he definitely aint makin the top ten... LMAO
sonwamac 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA... and if you don't know the greatness of Archie Moore you really DON'T know boxing. He was a lightheavy weight champion who completely and utterly dominated tha division. He fought for heavyweight title and lost fights to Marciano, Floyd Patterson and Ali. So if that's your reference to him you may not know much. Cuz before the fights or aside from the fights with those guys he as considered one of the greatest pound of pound of his generation.
sonwamac 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA btw...sarcasm doesn't really come across on a YouTube post.
sonwamac 3 months ago
are you retarded???? first off Hearns got his ass kicked by Hagler and Hagler kicked SR ass' and your gonna put Ali at 7....stop making videos your influencing how people think and you should know better when you know nothing about boxing
jfkharwood 3 months ago
Ali #2
pimp03105 3 months ago
At first I thought you were completely out of your mind when I saw Hearns and Roy Jones ahead of Ali but your list got more compelling toward the end.
flamarjr2000 3 months ago
at least the number one is right..
bartosx 3 months ago 7
What about Ippo Makunouchi?
bantsable 3 months ago
if you think your favorite boxer was missed...you have to name who he would have beat out. there's only ten spots on the list! im a big tyson fan and i thought he was a better boxer than duran, BUT you have to keep in mind Mr. Duran lead a whole country and for that reason he just might have been better.
VERY HARD TO MAKE A TOP TEN LIST but i agree with this one! and can someone explain to me what difference pound for pound makes? in my opinion NONE
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
@muhammadumarJA ya plenty of fighters that looked skin and bones beat the hell outa the tallest and the biggest out there for the belt.
shade231 3 months ago
@shade231 agreed! good is good period.
muhammadumarJA 3 months ago
do you know ANY fighters outside of america?!
hthedog 3 months ago
I soon as saw that you rated glass jawed tooth pick legged Tommy Hearns ahead of Ali i stopped watching this stupid video cuz i knew you weren't serious. Mikey is right it wouldn't have been any less ridiculous if you had had Rocky Balboa rated here. I didn't watch the rest of this. Who'd you have as number one? Primo Carnera?
sonwamac 3 months ago 8
@sonwamac hahahahahaaha who next ivan drago haha
MURKYDEEP100 3 months ago
@sonwamac I agree... was going to do the same... but u cant fault him on having sugar ray robinson at number 1... only thing he got right
MegaWatcher84 2 months ago
Lousy list, and you use the rip-off artists Coldplay as background music? How embarrassing.
atty1chgo 3 months ago
Like the video but I have some problems with the order. One of them is a huge problem. How on earth is "The Greatest" ALI down at number 7. Number 1 is where he should be and that's not even up for debate.
For all of you bashing on RJJ, he definitely belongs in the top 10, just not 5th, probably more like 9th or 10th. When he was on the top of his game he could make anyone look silly. It's just been sad that he won't give it up when he doesn't have the hunger to win anymore.
zr1chris1 3 months ago
@zr1chris1, erm, I think it is up for debate, seeing as Ali himself has admitted, several times, that even he can't compare to Robinson, and that the original Sugar Ray is out on his own as the pound for pound greatest. Ali was great but not the top man. As for Jones, superb fighter in his day but top ten is a little too generous. Top 30 (lower end) probably seems about right for him. Light-Heavyweight was his best weight, for instance, but I'd pick a few great 175 lb men to clean his clock.
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
Roy jones and Marciano should not be on the list. Roy jones fought a bunch of bums and lost when he met with someone average. A lot of Marciano's fights were fixed by the mafia.
MrRedskins0021 3 months ago
mahamend ali was the best of all time and then sonney liston the gorge formen then joe frazer
zaman9120 3 months ago
@zaman9120, I guess you forgot that there are divisions outside of Heavyweight, then?
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
Leonard beat 3 of those guys which I think begs his inclusion on my own list.
mateo2006 3 months ago
I WAS WAITING ON FRANK BRUNO :(
badslabber 3 months ago
where the fucks tyson!?!?
TheMrReade 3 months ago
@TheMrReade - I heard he's back to snatching purses from old ladys.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey and that makes him a worse boxer because...
TheMrReade 3 months ago
@TheMrReade - You asked me where Tyson was at. Surely you weren't talking about a top ten p4p list, or were you?
1899sharkey 3 months ago
i think i misread ? roy jones? better than the great ali?
TheMrReade 3 months ago
hearns over duran???? do u know how hearns beat duran? watch hearns interview he set it up by schedulling the fight to be at a time when duran had put on and lost weight rapidly just to be able to meet the fight and was completely out of shape
an in shape and in form duran would have annihalated hearns it wouldn't have even been a contest
Jafs 3 months ago
@Jafs, that was Leonard who pushed for a fight when Duran was stuffing his face, down at Welterweight. I'd always rank Duran WELL ahead of Hearns pound for pound, by the way - but the truth is, at Light-Middleweight (which is where they fought) Hearns would have always beaten him. Duran, quite simply, was just a natural Lightweight. He was overmatched against Hearns. Had they been the same size, I'd pick Duran all day long, but Hearns at 154 lb was far too big for him. He was mad for trying it!
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat duran better then leonard? who the fuck told him to stuff his face? he couldnt handle ray's speed plus he showed him up.
abdi1983 3 months ago
@abdi1983, I was talking about Duran FAR outranking Hearns pound for pound, cock jockey. Learn to read. As for Leonard, yep, I'd rate him behind Duran pound for pound, too, but by a much smaller margin. Duran's Lightweight career is better than Leonard's Welterweight career, and in the fight which mattered most, Duran beat Leonard at Leonard's best weight. You need to understand - the 'four kings' era made Leonard, Hearns and Duran legends. But Duran was already a legend long before.
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat - You're right on. Duran moved UP in weight and beat Leonard in their only real fight.Duran was way out of shape(his fault) for the return and quit when Ray wouldn't come within 10ft.of him,Leonard won the fight but it was a joke from the start. Hearns is about as close to Duran p4p in their primes as Detroit is to Panama.The Duran at Montreal would of stopped the best Hearns at welter.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey No, he wouldn't. He was at a great style disadvantage. I say Duran is in the top ten p4p, hearns at the teens. Just because a fighter is ranked above another, doesn't mean he can beat everyone behind him.
carmodifire 3 months ago
@carmodifire - Hearns had two big superfights, Leopnard and Hagler, he was k.o.d in both. The Duran of montreal would of smoked Tommy. Dont confuse the Duran that tommy k.o.d to the one at montreal. Tommy had REAL weak legs and not the best jaw, a fifteen rounder against a great pressure fighter was Tommys death knell.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@carmodifire - And btw on my list being ranked ahead of a fighter does mean you can beat the fighters behind you. What good is a list where your no.8 man can beat your no.6man,where your no.4 man can beat no. 2? I dont rate who had the best CAREER, i rate who i think is the best fighter at his very best.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey Because styles make fights. Duran had trouble with speedy boxer types. I would understand if the Duran-Hearns was competitive, but it was a complete mismatch. Foreman destroyed Frazier, Ali had a very tough time with him, but Ali beat Foreman. But I also rate boxers like the way you do.
carmodifire 3 months ago
@carmodifire - Styles do make fights but doesn't always determine the outcome. Hearns would not have been able to dictate the pace against that maniac in montreal. Tommy would of had a real hard time landing cleanly enough to hurt him. Cuevas was maneuvered into position for the right but he was straight up an down and very easy to hit. Hearns was very good and a great warrior but i'll take that '80 Duran to beat a '81 Hearns.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey I see what you're saying, but Hearns took barely 2 rounds to beat Duran. If Duran brawled with Hearns, Hearns would be landing even more shots than that. Yes, he would get hurt, but he went 3 with Hagler, so I think he'd last long enough to beat Duran, even if he decided to brawl. Leonard outboxed Duran, and Hearns had better boxing than Leonard (if hearns wasn't 145 and overtrained, he may have won) and enough power that Leonard didn't have.
carmodifire 3 months ago
@carmodifire -Absolutely no comparison between the two Durans. Duran was boxing even when it looked like brawling. Hearns wouldn't k.o.. a prime Duran and would tire from the pace if he wasn't dictating the pace. Weak legs and not real good 15 round stamina would be the difference. Leonard let Hearns dictate the pace for most of their fight or he could of wore Tommy down earlier. Ray wasn't willing to absorb the punches and pressure Tommy till he had to.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey Duran was invincible when infighting, Hearns was when outboxing. Prime was LW Duran, prime hearns was 154. Hearns was underweight because he overtrained for Leonard 1. Hearns couldn't land flush until late, when he got tired, so it didn't do as much damage as it could have early. Duran would HAVE to come on early, or else move like Leonard. He couldn't do that, so he'd have to be like Hagler, but Hearns wasn't at his best there.
carmodifire 3 months ago
@carmodifire - Yes, Duran was prime as lightweight but was so great that even as a welter he beat Leonard who although i dont care for i must admit is an atg at welter. We will just agree to disaree. I'm not knocking Hearns but in Duran were talking about a tried and true atg. Cheers.
1899sharkey 3 months ago
@1899sharkey Ok. Duran was crazy though, I didn't think much of him until I was saw him at the lower weights, and beating Barkley in his old age...wow.
carmodifire 3 months ago
where's 'suger' ray leanerd?
kingwilky 3 months ago
too bad collection ... missing JC Chavez, Finito Lopez (best of the best) Orlando Cañizales .... Mike Tyson. no man... you were wrong.
elmaldonadoyt 3 months ago
George Foreman? :S
Khonnell 3 months ago
was i the only disappointed one when Rocky Balboa's name was nowhere on the list?
Mikey1724 4 months ago 4
@Mikey1724 Wasn't the movie Rocky Made after Rocky Marciano? Am I wrong?
TownIdiot121 3 months ago
@TownIdiot121 It was based on Chuck Wepner, who fought Ali towards the end of Ali's career. A great deal of the stuff was quite similar to 'Smoking' Joe's formative years, though.
sl11tenderhand 2 months ago
prolly the worst list..of all time
slikplaya 4 months ago
Thomas Hearns over Ali? Marciano over Ali and Louis? At least you got #1 right :)
WorldBoxingTV2 4 months ago
@WorldBoxingTV2 Very true! the only i can understand is Louis
megadmanz 4 months ago
This is great video about the legend in the history of boxing. thanks more videos...
elpidiogarimbao 4 months ago