Hi there...how much will a cam affect the reliability of the straight six?
I would like to put a cam and extractors in but I am worried that it'll do more harm than good. Can I just throw the cam in and the engine/ECU will adjust automatically or is there more to it?
@Navium ford 6's respond well to cams, best place to go is to fordforums dot the usual then au or fordmods dot the usual. Theres a heap of people that can give you a lot more info over there. Was next mod on my list but its blown out to a turbo build lol
That does work, but most of the time when they auto adjust themselves, it will just throw the economy out the window, but bye the looks of things that don't bother you lol. Great Car
Needs tuning big time. The ECM's calibration is way off for the cam in it. Also sounds kind of like there was a cylinder that was down on compression from the cranking.
I dont get why people are prepared to spend big dollars in modding their cams to end up with a car thats hard to start and wont idle all for the sake of a few extra kilowatts. I can understand this on a track car that spends its days at wide open throttle but a street car that sits in traffic? I suppose everyone is entitled to mod in a way that they see best, but a good turbo setup gives a six like this a substantial power increase while keeping it totally streetable and easy to drive.
@gav52l This is quiet a cheap power option if you can fit it yourself. bout 200bux. Weres with a turbo kit your looking at $2500-8000 for snort kits or a basic home setup is around $1000. And then theres fitting it and getting it to used having boost and maybe popping a head gasket.
@gav52l well the ecu learns around the cam so it will end up idling fine or u can pay 550 bucks for a tune, my n/a 6 EF used to ruin stockish xr6turbos and drove fine. its now turbo tho..
sounds good but it will be an absolute pig to drive around town, the first 3 months will be unreal after that he will be sick to death of it........especially trying to sneak home on a friday night from the pub lol lol
Is that first run break in ever? Coz ur ment to rev it above 2000rpm for 20 minutes to break in the new crank and cams and lifter springs, Unless its all used parts then its ALL GOOD and sounds mean. is it heavy to drive or nimble?
Sounds sick mate. I got a 94 ED XR6, looking for a new exhaust system cause my old one has rusted out sounds very airy. What brand system you got on yours? cheers.
The ef up manifold does a lot to boost the torque at low revs to keep it in a wider rev range, which is why you won't see a lot of difference in the kw.
It works by opening up the long path at low revs to in crease the speed of the air intake. At high revs it closes this part and makes the air flow more direct so more air can go in with less resistance.
i have a similer set up on mine the difference between a bbm and a ea-ed manifold is 3kw so its not a massive difference these motors dont like insainly huge cams as the design of the engine in regard to bore and stroke mean that they arnt a high reving motor however they are very torquey for a street motor you would have it set up for max power at 5400-5800but you could go 6200 rpm max but you dont really need to rev them that hard
i don't know if you believe it or not but my engine rev to 9500rpm on dyno. got shootout to prove. this engine can rev pretty hard. but you r right no need to rev them that hard. i shift at about 7000 but by the sound of the engine it had plenty more. just for the save side i don't rev it all the way.
yeah man i have no doubt it would rev that hard but for the street you dont need massive revs just instant torque thats what make these inline 6s so damn good i had a hemi 265 that used to hit 8000rpm which is good for a ohv 6 in a charger but the engines wouldnt last long needed rebuilding quite regularly and it was hopeless on the street almost undrivable but fuck it went hard 203.7kw @ 7900 rpm the wheels and 486 nm @ 4600 rpm
i don't know what cam he used in this car. but my car run an stage 6 crow cam in an xr6 motor, high comp piston with ported heads. it made 161kw at the wheels. it is also in and ED falcon like this one. however i run the ef el manifold but with the eds injectors. therefor the ecu is the same as an ed. but was turned by chip torque running an piggy back chip. if i own this car i would use the ef el manifold as they are way better. all inline 6 from ea to au engine parts are interchangeable.
if it's the 1st run than the lifters haven't pumped up yet so ur valves wont b fully opening. hope it'll b tuned 2get the full potential outta the mods once it's run in. au engines r a tough block. nice
EF+ intakes don't fit under the bonnet so the AU PCM n a piggy back system do the trick. unichip's r the go.I6 AU sumps require modifying to clear the k-frame. bit of a cut n shut. no big deal tho
because an EB sump is pressed sheet steel, the AU sump is cast alloy and is cross bolted to the main caps. the EB sump is also to shallow to clear the windage tray and longer main bolt in the AU engine
its a relatively small cam dude. Its lumpy in this car because it was started for the first time with new cam, & because of the poor ECU management in the boxcars . Im running the 977b behind my EF auto and it sounds stock.
hay bro y not run the EF-AU in take on it than ya got a variable in thake manifold i know it works cos me mate has a EB has it turboed and it is hell good but he has put the old manifold back on only because he is now running 12 injectors lol, still nice
lol @ 977b being lumpy..... maybe running it with boxcar ecu it might be, but put that down to poor engine management. The 977b idles like stock in my EF, even when it was untuned you wouldnt know theres a cam in there
man my brother got an xr6 engine in his ed fairmont with stage 6 crow cam, shaved and ported heads and high compression piston. turned by chip torque. it got 160kw at wheels.
i did and the retard goes "its normal for these motors" no way it was , it was too low, doesnt matter now anyway as old motor died :( has el motor now that baby runs fine. and my old man is a mechanic but not familer with the computers these days
yeah there are some freak motors out there. wade do recommend running a manual gearbox or a chip/highstall for the auto models however you can get away with a very high idle...
u should get either anger or ss induction kit with a high flow filter works so much better than a pod. i gots 2001 au II s pac manual. with that plus extractors high flow cat n 2 1/2 sports exaust brings it 2 a total off approx 210KWs plus the motor has 260000 on the clock n still moves as well as it does. im lookin into getin a tickford motor tho so i would b runnin at close 2 250kws :) ford 6 RULES
@bentles its not peak power u need to worry about its the average power and torque, mine made 171rwkw and 500nm. and u dont need a highflow cat thats a load of shit.
The 977B can run with XR6 valve springs, and can run on a stock ECU, but requires a manual box.
It is a good idea to make sure you use a Manual ECU as well (It just runs a little better than the Auto ECU).
Wade reccomend using aftermarked ECU. But its not neccisary.
I used this cam on my old EL XR6, 5 speed with auto ECU. And it idled pretty good after it learnt. Worse comes to worse, you pull off the ISC plug and tighten the Idle screw to allow it to idle at 750-800 normal running temp.
sounds like your timming is jumping in and out mate my old ea was doing that if you put a timming light on it you will know. some time it colde be the DISTRIBUTOR to there a sprin in it some time the sprin wont sprin back that wot fuck my car up.
The idle is purely the ECU hunting. After 100kms of 3/4 hard driving it should learn. Though when you put a large cam in a car with a stock ECU, you should always check timing, and advance 5-10degrees higher. Reason being, bigger cam means more fuel/air, which means it takes longer to ignight, therefor needs to spark a fraction earlier for optimised fuel eco and power.
XD I LOVE IT! my ones a FORD AU XR6 1998 and it sounds better but it cound sound the same coz it could be the recording of it... BUT I FUCKING LOVE IT! GOOD ON YA MATE
Why is the old style intake manifold used?
dougo1178 5 months ago
Hi there...how much will a cam affect the reliability of the straight six?
I would like to put a cam and extractors in but I am worried that it'll do more harm than good. Can I just throw the cam in and the engine/ECU will adjust automatically or is there more to it?
Thanks for any info
Navium 7 months ago
@Navium ford 6's respond well to cams, best place to go is to fordforums dot the usual then au or fordmods dot the usual. Theres a heap of people that can give you a lot more info over there. Was next mod on my list but its blown out to a turbo build lol
0187Koffi 5 months ago
That does work, but most of the time when they auto adjust themselves, it will just throw the economy out the window, but bye the looks of things that don't bother you lol. Great Car
crazyredneckwifknife 10 months ago
Needs tuning big time. The ECM's calibration is way off for the cam in it. Also sounds kind of like there was a cylinder that was down on compression from the cranking.
mysock351W 1 year ago
the guy filming is a fuckface
gumby131 1 year ago 4
Crescent Motorsports FTW
oblivion0871 1 year ago
I dont get why people are prepared to spend big dollars in modding their cams to end up with a car thats hard to start and wont idle all for the sake of a few extra kilowatts. I can understand this on a track car that spends its days at wide open throttle but a street car that sits in traffic? I suppose everyone is entitled to mod in a way that they see best, but a good turbo setup gives a six like this a substantial power increase while keeping it totally streetable and easy to drive.
gav52l 1 year ago
@gav52l But in saying that its still a sweet ride!
gav52l 1 year ago
@gav52l This is quiet a cheap power option if you can fit it yourself. bout 200bux. Weres with a turbo kit your looking at $2500-8000 for snort kits or a basic home setup is around $1000. And then theres fitting it and getting it to used having boost and maybe popping a head gasket.
jameslinton50 1 year ago
@gav52l well the ecu learns around the cam so it will end up idling fine or u can pay 550 bucks for a tune, my n/a 6 EF used to ruin stockish xr6turbos and drove fine. its now turbo tho..
FormulaVeeRacer1200 7 months ago
can you Run it with stock valves and springs??? coz im looking to do this to my Au XR6
xTrU3KilL3R 1 year ago
sounds good but it will be an absolute pig to drive around town, the first 3 months will be unreal after that he will be sick to death of it........especially trying to sneak home on a friday night from the pub lol lol
ipdaily6 1 year ago
needs to be bed in at 2000rpm or above for 15mins
dreadly101 1 year ago
its so lumpy
spirogrinder2 1 year ago
it hasnt been tuned yet
gumby131 1 year ago
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20 seconds ago bro if it's a au motor why ya gots a ea-ed intake system? in my eyes its the worst part ever made by ford, the au intake 110% better!
ika7n 1 year ago
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ika7n 1 year ago
whats the LSA on that cam?
burgessandbird 1 year ago
Is that first run break in ever? Coz ur ment to rev it above 2000rpm for 20 minutes to break in the new crank and cams and lifter springs, Unless its all used parts then its ALL GOOD and sounds mean. is it heavy to drive or nimble?
UmakeMeSYK 1 year ago
@UmakeMeSYK these motors have roller rockers in them so no cam run in procedure needed
h4hurt 1 year ago
wat a fucking shit box!!!
mrgixxer100 1 year ago
@mrgixxer100 its called a lumpy cam mate
titin200 1 year ago
Hey mate i just put an AU series 3 motor in my EB2 spac what did you time your dizzy too?
dominateyourmum 1 year ago
Sounds sick mate. I got a 94 ED XR6, looking for a new exhaust system cause my old one has rusted out sounds very airy. What brand system you got on yours? cheers.
MR94ED40 1 year ago
looks good mate hope my ef sounds lumpy like that when my cam arives.. you running stardard springs and ecu?
freeriderhp 2 years ago
The ef up manifold does a lot to boost the torque at low revs to keep it in a wider rev range, which is why you won't see a lot of difference in the kw.
It works by opening up the long path at low revs to in crease the speed of the air intake. At high revs it closes this part and makes the air flow more direct so more air can go in with less resistance.
nickpreece1234 2 years ago
i have a similer set up on mine the difference between a bbm and a ea-ed manifold is 3kw so its not a massive difference these motors dont like insainly huge cams as the design of the engine in regard to bore and stroke mean that they arnt a high reving motor however they are very torquey for a street motor you would have it set up for max power at 5400-5800but you could go 6200 rpm max but you dont really need to rev them that hard
regal340 2 years ago
i don't know if you believe it or not but my engine rev to 9500rpm on dyno. got shootout to prove. this engine can rev pretty hard. but you r right no need to rev them that hard. i shift at about 7000 but by the sound of the engine it had plenty more. just for the save side i don't rev it all the way.
pushrod87 2 years ago
yeah man i have no doubt it would rev that hard but for the street you dont need massive revs just instant torque thats what make these inline 6s so damn good i had a hemi 265 that used to hit 8000rpm which is good for a ohv 6 in a charger but the engines wouldnt last long needed rebuilding quite regularly and it was hopeless on the street almost undrivable but fuck it went hard 203.7kw @ 7900 rpm the wheels and 486 nm @ 4600 rpm
regal340 2 years ago
i don't know what cam he used in this car. but my car run an stage 6 crow cam in an xr6 motor, high comp piston with ported heads. it made 161kw at the wheels. it is also in and ED falcon like this one. however i run the ef el manifold but with the eds injectors. therefor the ecu is the same as an ed. but was turned by chip torque running an piggy back chip. if i own this car i would use the ef el manifold as they are way better. all inline 6 from ea to au engine parts are interchangeable.
pushrod87 2 years ago
except for the fact that the ef ran a coil pack and the rest ran dizzy's ...
rhysc375 2 years ago
yes rhysc375 is right you must use the dizzy if your going to use ed eb el ecu.
pushrod87 2 years ago
if it's the 1st run than the lifters haven't pumped up yet so ur valves wont b fully opening. hope it'll b tuned 2get the full potential outta the mods once it's run in. au engines r a tough block. nice
crimnut43 2 years ago
nice car m8 its sounds sik
mattxr6turbo 2 years ago
u running the AU engine with the boxcar ecu or are u running au management without the broadband intake plenum?
either way, i wouldn't recomend it.
au engine + broadband intake + au computer = lots of smiles :)
maybe 1 day i'll do an au 3 coversion in my ef
kinga303 2 years ago
EF+ intakes don't fit under the bonnet so the AU PCM n a piggy back system do the trick. unichip's r the go.I6 AU sumps require modifying to clear the k-frame. bit of a cut n shut. no big deal tho
crimnut43 2 years ago
BBM fits under the bonnet perfectly. Don't post if you don't know what you are talking about.
silencerrh 2 years ago
why cut and shut when u can just use the sump out of the falcon that you r putting the engine in?
pushrod87 2 years ago
because an EB sump is pressed sheet steel, the AU sump is cast alloy and is cross bolted to the main caps. the EB sump is also to shallow to clear the windage tray and longer main bolt in the AU engine
83bradman 1 year ago
clearly v8freak55 the engine is worked....
wheely90 2 years ago
uh.... when was the last service?
v8freak55 2 years ago
you idiot! its a worked donk.
youandholdenrgay 2 years ago
it just sounds a bit dodgey upon startup
v8freak55 2 years ago
lol! it's a BIG cam mate.
youandholdenrgay 2 years ago
its a relatively small cam dude. Its lumpy in this car because it was started for the first time with new cam, & because of the poor ECU management in the boxcars . Im running the 977b behind my EF auto and it sounds stock.
homebrewtube 2 years ago
fuck i just seen i already posted the same thing 5 months ago lol
homebrewtube 2 years ago
if he's running the EB computer.... then he's a total dumbass!!
marek0086 2 years ago
Just what u need a couple of mates with shiny red tool box's telling u whats wrong .Dangerous !!!!!!
aforda 2 years ago
hay bro y not run the EF-AU in take on it than ya got a variable in thake manifold i know it works cos me mate has a EB has it turboed and it is hell good but he has put the old manifold back on only because he is now running 12 injectors lol, still nice
flatoutxr6 2 years ago
1) don't waste your money on SS inductions intake; put something together yourself for 1/4 of the cost that is just as good.
2) check for vacuum leaks or that your timing is right; I have used the 977B and the bigger one (15**A) and they run a lot smoother on idle.
3) To whoever reckoned they had 210kw and wanted 250 out of an NA six, your joking -
A pure strip engine I built to operate mainly in 3000-7000rpm with a solid roller follower conversion pulled 197.2rwkw and ran 13.52 in an el.
plz816 2 years ago
lol @ 977b being lumpy..... maybe running it with boxcar ecu it might be, but put that down to poor engine management. The 977b idles like stock in my EF, even when it was untuned you wouldnt know theres a cam in there
homebrewtube 2 years ago
was that engine running a stock ecu or did you have to change something?
knomeiskool 3 years ago
just wondering how much the cam cost alone
masivebored 3 years ago
that IS tuff!
alj333 3 years ago
Bye Bye engine mounts
EFseries2 3 years ago
man my brother got an xr6 engine in his ed fairmont with stage 6 crow cam, shaved and ported heads and high compression piston. turned by chip torque. it got 160kw at wheels.
pushrod87 3 years ago
hey i was just wondering i have a stock ef falcon, do u know how to adjust the idle? thanks
porter04 3 years ago
on the airflow meter.
fondled 3 years ago
um a little more detail please as i cant find it :S
porter04 3 years ago
You shoud not be fucking with idle if u dont know what ur doin, it could be a vacuum leak causing bad idle or anything. tke it to a mechanic mate.
fondled 3 years ago
i did and the retard goes "its normal for these motors" no way it was , it was too low, doesnt matter now anyway as old motor died :( has el motor now that baby runs fine. and my old man is a mechanic but not familer with the computers these days
porter04 2 years ago
mmmmm so lumpy
bigrod29 3 years ago
the 977b runs on a stock ecu and can also run fine on a auto, there is a ef runnin around with a 977b and auto with stock ecu
efridinlow 3 years ago
yeah there are some freak motors out there. wade do recommend running a manual gearbox or a chip/highstall for the auto models however you can get away with a very high idle...
bentles 3 years ago
good luck with 250kw
bentles 3 years ago
u should get either anger or ss induction kit with a high flow filter works so much better than a pod. i gots 2001 au II s pac manual. with that plus extractors high flow cat n 2 1/2 sports exaust brings it 2 a total off approx 210KWs plus the motor has 260000 on the clock n still moves as well as it does. im lookin into getin a tickford motor tho so i would b runnin at close 2 250kws :) ford 6 RULES
19Silent88 3 years ago
screw Wade......for these motors, go JMM or Crescent Motorsport!
marek0086 3 years ago
screw wade go for jim mockawatts...
YEAH.
150.5rwkw with just a pod, wildcat extractors 2.5" redback and a cam...
so $135 for cam, $250 for cat back $200 for highflow cat $80 for pod and $300 for extractors...
$965 for 150.5 or go jmm and get
>146kW DEV3HL
$2,990
bentles 3 years ago 7
i was talking about the CAM!!
And its not $3000....its $2200.
And can i have a look at your dyno run power&torque curve??
marek0086 3 years ago
u woulda liked the DEV5-SS cam much better than this "undriveable" 977B
marek0086 3 years ago
@bentles or $3000 for a holden priceless lol
mrgixxer100 1 year ago
@bentles its not peak power u need to worry about its the average power and torque, mine made 171rwkw and 500nm. and u dont need a highflow cat thats a load of shit.
FormulaVeeRacer1200 7 months ago
@marek0086 crescent motoesport are just wade copies anyway, so your paying more for almost the same cam
tmanxr6 1 year ago
how much did it cost to drop an au motor into ur falcon?
sirbogan 3 years ago
did u have to do anything else to fit the cam, like computer or stiffer valve springs
shuttles69 3 years ago
The 977B can run with XR6 valve springs, and can run on a stock ECU, but requires a manual box.
It is a good idea to make sure you use a Manual ECU as well (It just runs a little better than the Auto ECU).
Wade reccomend using aftermarked ECU. But its not neccisary.
I used this cam on my old EL XR6, 5 speed with auto ECU. And it idled pretty good after it learnt. Worse comes to worse, you pull off the ISC plug and tighten the Idle screw to allow it to idle at 750-800 normal running temp.
Playtechy 3 years ago
sounds like your timming is jumping in and out mate my old ea was doing that if you put a timming light on it you will know. some time it colde be the DISTRIBUTOR to there a sprin in it some time the sprin wont sprin back that wot fuck my car up.
steve12q 3 years ago
The idle is purely the ECU hunting. After 100kms of 3/4 hard driving it should learn. Though when you put a large cam in a car with a stock ECU, you should always check timing, and advance 5-10degrees higher. Reason being, bigger cam means more fuel/air, which means it takes longer to ignight, therefor needs to spark a fraction earlier for optimised fuel eco and power.
Playtechy 3 years ago
should put au manifold on it not the ed eb manifold get more air:)
mulisha898 3 years ago
sounds sic as, love the induction noise
shuttles69 3 years ago
beuatiful ford motor au six sounds exellent bet she cruises well
coewee 4 years ago
Hey! Its LOWXR in all its lumpy glory! haha wat a dream to look at mate. Top work
obbrobb 4 years ago
my uncle has a AU11 XR6 ute with a good engine note
romentomatos 4 years ago
not too good having your pod like that sucking all that hot air my eb got bigger cam then that and k&n pod in a box and would roast you
jjschultz28 4 years ago
What compression ratio do you have ??
I have an 977B with 9.5:1 ratio and it sounds almost stock (except when you give it some, just the way I like it) lol
(Mine is a EL XR6, with a rebuilt head).
Nice work
kyro02 4 years ago
is the fuel injection of an earlier model? I have an AU XR6 and an XG ute, that fuel injection seems the same as my ute.
shotgunreverend 4 years ago
lol, that's hilarious~
Spewin99 4 years ago
Thats sik!!!
Ive seen the car before around chirny!! Very nice ride!!
josho1989 4 years ago
is this manual or auto
stoj79 4 years ago
bentles man that is tuff
Grechieman 4 years ago
XD I LOVE IT! my ones a FORD AU XR6 1998 and it sounds better but it cound sound the same coz it could be the recording of it... BUT I FUCKING LOVE IT! GOOD ON YA MATE
BlackBird252l 4 years ago