Part 3: The Great War and the end of the Ottomans

[cihatataritu]

not all arabs betrayed the khalifa, but the betrayal of the saudis and huseyin caused the ummah to fall in the hands of trhe chrsitians.. i dont know how they are gonna pay for this in the hell. the problems in palestine and the claughter against Palestine is the result of the betrayal of the saudis and sherif huseyin

[kosbara700]

viva arabs revolt

[kosbara700]

you turks must stop thinking like that ..i mean it is our land you have no right in our

land..i know you hate us ..if you hate us just keep away from us..ok

[cihatataritu]

@kosbara700 yes we know that you want to be close the united states,, you always support america against muslims..

[kosbara700]

@cihatataritu

first we didnt support america against muslims..secoundly ..it is not your bussieness

[cihatataritu]

@kosbara700 what were the usa planes doing in the saudi arabia in 1991 war then??

[kosbara700]

@cihatataritu what do you mean?,,

[cihatataritu]

@kosbara700 you dumb go and learn some english i am not an english teacher.. i clearly mean that the usa planes attacked saddam from the saudi arabia..

[kosbara700]

@cihatataritu noo ,,you are the dumb..you understand me wrong...go and learn first about that war ..then come and discuss about this war here (i am not saudi)

[cihatataritu]

@kosbara700 you said that you didnt understand, so this means that you didnt say anything.. and you say you understood me wrong.. you didnt say anything how can i misunderstand you, you stupid. stupid fucker i didnt say that you are a saudi, i said that sauidis helped usa against muslims in iraq

[OttomanState]

LONG LIVE TURK-ARAB BROTHERHOOD.. AND WILL INSHALLAH..

[giemac100]

dead to israhell..turk take back your land

[turquas82]

@ good2goskee -- YOU R RIGHT! WE LOST MANY WARS BECAUSE OF THE TRAITORS--HOWEVER YOU CAME TO CENTRAL ANATOLIA AND YOU LOST IN GALAPOLI EVEN IF YOU WERE STORNGER THAN US... THE NUMBER OF THE TURKISH SOLDIERS DIED IN THE WW1 IS NOT IMPORTANT.. AS ALLWAYS HAS HAPPENED AND WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN OUR LAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR LIVES! THATS WHY NO FORCE ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD BE ENOUGH TO INVADE TURKEY!

[turquas82]

YOU NOT ONLY BETRAYED OTTOMANS BUT ALSO SOLD YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND NOW YOU CRY IN GRIEF! YOU WILL CRY MORE AND MORE! WERE THE OTTOMANS GUITY OF NOT RAPING ARAB WOMEN?

[tolga4you]

good you have right about the end of the empire, but i talk about 550 from the 620 years my dear, go and learn you re history

[tolga4you]

what happend with Churchill in the dardanells what happend with the englisch and anzac s in wo 1 go learn youre history before you talk about ours. PROUD TO BE TURK can you say that also. NO NEVER BECAUSE YOU VE NOTHING TO BE PROUD

[good2goskee]

@tolga4you U Turks love to forget the obvious and hold onto the insignificant! 1) Galapoli= 253K Ottomans dead, 220k Allies killed- MORE Ottomans KIA in the battle where Ottomans were fighting against extinction. 2) Britain France and Russia beat ottoman Turks in EVERY Major battle except the one above. 5million Turks (troops/civilians) DEAD in WWI. Ottoman Turks gave the command of their forces to Germans (total HUMILIATION). The Europeans defeated Ottomans & crushed their empire.. bye bye!

[TURKISHeagle83]

NOT ALL ARABS ARE TRAITOR!!!!! THE FIGHT IN WORLD WAR 1 IS:

OTTOMAN VS wahabi arabs+england+french!!!!!! WAHABIS ARE TODAY AL KAIDA, TALIBAN !!!!!!! WAKE UP WORLD (WAHABISMUS =ILLUMINATI)

AND THE NEO OTTOMANS VICTORY ILLUMINATI WAIT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheAbsoluTurk]

wtf is an 'area of influence'? these colonial powers treat humans like tools.

[mamc1986]

Justice for the Armenians!

Recognize the genocide, recognize the genocide, Turkey is a Turkey with gravy on the side!

They gag the US Government and bribe the congressmen!

[Iskender2144]

Saudi dogs who betrayed the ummah!!!

[kosbara700]

@Iskender2144your comment make me sure that saudi did the right thing..arabs did that because they were treated like a dirt

[Iskender2144]

@kosbara700 no arabs are not dirt they are our brothers like the Egyptians who fought together with us against the West but those like you are worse than putrid dirt itself.

[markjoachen]

@Iskender2144 well said now they control the world and most people dont even know this how sad our world has become

[chris2002Rocklin]

"Zionism" started in the 19th century with the blessing of the Ottomans. Get your history straight. None of you know anything but the point in history that you were programmed to learn. Grown your own independant mind and then learn history with the full scope of the question you wish to answer.

Jew haters always start at either 1947 or June 5 1967, as if "The Jews" go out starting wars against peaceful neighbors. The Arab Muslim victims are victims of their own leadership, not of the Jews.

[crusader7001]

I think what would make lot of sense is if the arabls took over Turnkey and converted the Turkey to a more civilized and 21st century nation...I mean what waste of a beautiful country that is occupied by a population of backward poeple called turks that want to bring the Kalifa back and go back to the ottamon years

[biggee316]

1:06 is beyond words for me... the human race is a failed race, we all deserve to perish, we will never be more than this, if it hasn't happened by now, it will not happen in another ten thousand years...

[themovingsand]

Britain and France are the two major sources of all Arabs mysteries thought the ages.

[PandemicMadness]

good riddance. Ottoman filth into the bin of history. Just like Islam is going there. Eventualy. And with alot of innocent blood along the way.

[DJVBasil]

What i meant is the Illuminati. Zionism is a wing of the Illuminati. It hasnt been around for hundeds of years, you are correct ed291, my mistake, its been around for 1000's of years.

[Rico8458]

palestinians wish ottomans were still in power today.

[DJVBasil]

Turkey has been betraying its muslim brethren for 100's of years. Why dont you read some history. Just look at the Turkish Parliament. Turkey has been controlled by zionism for 100's of years. If you think im anti-Turkish, you can go fuck yourself. Its just the facts.

[PunisherLobo]

This is right! The young turks and atatrük did the bullshit! But the Kaliph never wanted to betraid not one Muslim! Ther Parlament and the freemason young turks and the parlament wher corrupted by the Zionists the Kaliph was not corrupted! Atashirk revolted against the Sultan/Kaliph and destroyed it! But the Arab Nationalsts did their part too whit Great Britan! Boot some of the arabs and some of the turks did great bullshit! We muslims die today because of their mistakes!

[ed291]

Dnt just make statements, give some historical examples.. todays Zionism has only been around for max 120 years yet your suggesting Turkish parliament has been controlled by it for hundreds of years... thats the first flaw in your argument...

[PunisherLobo]

i talked about freemason my friend!

[Igotangry]

@PunisherLobo he revolted against it because like these arab leadres of that time did, the last ottoman sultan tried to gain his power by obeying zionist britania. they even add balfour declaration in sevres treaty that last sultan had been forced to sign it by british. it was not only a treaty of invasion of Turkish lands, also sevres treaty was a recognation of balfour declaration. Ataturk did not accepted that and saved our country from losing lands and honour

[PunisherLobo]

@Igotangry the fuck you talking about! The Freemasons in turkey wher the British Cocksuckers NO1 as the Young Turks that turned the Sultanate and the Kaliphate into a Puppet for the Youngturks and the Freemasons! Ther wher 2 things Kemal did 1. Freeing Islam from its Kaliphate 2. Freeing Turkey from Islam! So PLZZZ! I will send you something on your page!!!

[Igotangry]

@PunisherLobo so could you tell me than why death penalty is given to youngturks and Ataturk by brititsh to punish them. look at wikipedia, how ever we had been defeated they need to add balfour declaration as a part into sevres treaty. if the young turks had been on behalf of ugly animal jews, morgenthau the zionist liar lawyer would not had slandered them by writing a fairy book and would not use american embassy to help nili rats. go read in google books.

[Igotangry]

@PunisherLobo british cock sucker? from very start of the youngturks british tried to get rid of them. they made a coalition against them from every nationality, arabs, armenians, greeks, jews...balfour had a private grudge against youngturks minister of finance, Talat was killed by the british secret service backed armenian dogs. youngturks also are not accepted by masonic lodges in europe. they used lodges to survive from sultan's police hunting, later they did not use lodges for activity

[PunisherLobo]

@Igotangry so what the young turks whernd nationalistic? FUCKING BULLSHIT! They made the Sultan a puppet and puted the arabs the bosnians and the armenians turkish nationalistic reforms like they all must talk turkish in the state deparments! Also the disaper of the Milet System was a BS of the Young turks! Thats the major problem why the revolt started! Learn something about the Milet System! The true last Islamic Sultan was Abdulhamid II Han! Muslims must judge whit Islam or theyr doomd!

[Igotangry]

@PunisherLobo it was faisal not the Turks who sit down with zionists to have a gain like money from jewish rich people etc...do you really a muslim beacuse hyou arabs betrayed your every principleseven quran. in quran says "a muslims only friend is an another muslim" and you took a homo british lawrence as friend and he turned out to be a zionist who fooled stupid faisal. youngturks even killed some zionists like sarah aaronson, feinberg etc... and you still blame us, you slander us, you lie.

[ed291]

Thats what happens when Arabs betray their muslim brethren(turks) to help non believers. Even today no arab nation truly has the respect of the world, we tolerate them because they have a valuable commodity we need but that is only for now.

[cengaver1652]

arabs are assholes which betrayed the ottomans with the help of the britains. now you have your middle east truth !

[pharlapcik]

Turks betrayed Ottoman too,Sultans own commanders betrayed him.And now real betrayers teach to children that Sultan Abdulhamit Han as betrayer..

[SiC261]

Yes thats right.  Both families come from very very old European money.

[tigerjonn]

damnnnnnn ROTHCHILD? they go back THAT DEEP?! ...THe same rothchilds tat own our federal reserve? with the rockefellers?

[hacibaba00]

yeah thats the same family...

[Mhenlomatras]

Arabs are Dirty traitors everyone knowsz that..

and EVERY real muslim knows that arabs are fake MUSLIMS and terrorists..

[ed291]

Bravo you sed it perfectly

[Mhenlomatras]

The Ottomans are still there..

TURKS!...

Ottoman empire just continued in the name of Turkey (making it more nationalist and more etnically TURK!.

getting lost of ARMENIANS, GREEKS, and DIRTY ARABS.... IT BECAME ETNICALLY CLEAN TURKEY!!

[1middlesbrough]

@Mhenlomatras Yeah but you lost huge chunks of land, and all the oil in Arabia.

[fp470]

Alright lots of people argue about Genocide so i thought I might give you teh benefit of what scholars currently think about it.

Genocide: A systematic deliberate and industrial scale operation designed toward the elimination of a race.

So....

Big, deliberate, involving planning and a system aimed at extermination. Not a mass killing, not an explosion of passion and rage. It has to be aimed at elimination. Mass killings arent Genocide. They arent not bad, but they arent bad. We overuse term

[fp470]

They arent not bad, but they arent Genocide, is what I meant to say.

We overuse the term Genocide and apply it to any massacre, mass killing or collateral damage incident. As terrible as they are they arent Genocide.

Genocide truly is something of the 20th century and is rare. It doesnt not happen, but if we over apply the term it looses its meaning.

[metal4554]

10,000 people died in Pakistan in 2000 in far-off villages were bombed had not tried them to genocide, France was Algeria. Armenian genocide did abd red der channel exile, but the right to be racist or politically correct weapons to do so not true değil.ermeni events

[juniorbonjasky]

arabs are paying their dues.they are all under attack or they became puppets of others.they couldnt live with turks and now they can live without turks.when turks conquer somewhere they build the justice over there.wait and see.new conquerers are growing up.

[Colts4ever123]

The ottomans are a Genocidal,barbarian peoples, they have nothing in common with the Arabs that I know, whom are all Gentlemen and women.

[ace11rothstein]

1) The Ottomans are not, nor were they ever, related to Arabs. The Ottomans are descendants of the peoples of the Central Asian steppe.

2) And how are the Ottomans' "genocidal"? I guess you are following the media hype that claims that their treatment of the Armenians constitutes a genocide.

[olat14]

what have this to do with the ottomans ??!!

[owchywawa]

They owned Palestine.

[Gebreal187]

That stupid weee lose everything...

[ELEMENTRY27]

is this information in a book??

[Capuchin]

There are hundred of books available on the Israel PAlestine conflict. If you're looking for one that covers the general history of the conflict I'd recommend "Righteous Victims" by the Israeli historian Benny Morris. Very objective and detailed.

[scipio240]

but heres one thing i dont get...the arab palestinians love the turks so if the turks really were oppressive wouldnt the palestinians hate the turks?

[audiorage092]

who the hell told you they love the turks? What do you think lawrence of arabia was about? They trusted him to help them drive the Ottomans out of Palestine. Then once England gained control of the nation, they gave it to the European Jews (at the time, there weren't many white jewish immigrants there and all of the semitic jews showed solidarity with the Muslims/Christians rather than the european jews).

[constructivereconcil]

@Capuchin search for this title here: 50 years war Israel and the Arabs episode one (part1-29). Watch all 3 hours, then go to part 2 for anothr 3 hours, and finally "Elusive Peace, the last 3 hour set. It is biased against Israel by trivializing terrorism, but at deals mostly in facts (deceptive, yes. Lies, no).

[AndreHiltre]

@ELEMENTRY27 Try reading David Fromkin's: A Peace to End All Peace, Israeli Apartheid by Ben White, and The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. They give a small introduction to the recent past and the present of the Holy Land.

[jwalter921]

The two state solution is no solution for the Palestinian people who were ethnically cleansed from their land. The Jewish state of Israel is a terrorist state founded upon racism and genocide. Entire cities of Arabs were dispossessed by European Jewish immigrants and renamed with Hebrew names. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are nothing more than concentration camps.

[nazareneson37]

to jwalter almost all arab towns and villages names are of hebrew origin. we are not from the moon... inshallha sir salam

[audiorage092]

that's because hebrew and arabic are very similar languages. They're both semitic. For example: Shalom/Saalam. Not very far off. Or Rashashana/Rasaskana (I'm not sure about the spelling of that arabic word..i forget how you say it). But either way...The two languages are really similar. The land of Canaan (israel/palestine) has been owned by jews and arabs at one point or another. It doesn't matter who owned it first. you wanna know why? Because European Jews are converts, not real jews.

[nazareneson37]

the reason is that the hebrew names were the original ones. further more the so called "palestinians" are the biggest lie of recent years!!! they are arabs like their cousins in jordan and egypt and not a seperate people. therefore the conflict is not about the right of the palestinians for self determination rather it revolves around the partition of the area between jews and arabs.seen in these terms you might find there are other ways to end the conflict without dividing the land of Israel.

[audiorage092]

Californians and Texans are essentially the same basic mix of people..some white, some hispanic, etc. I guess we could just move out all of the Californians to Texas to make way for another people that never lived there to begin with. And you haven't given proof that the hebrew names were original. The truth is that the names both descend from the same semitic language. You can't just say hebrew names were the originals if the originals were neither hebrew nor Arabic.

[nazareneson37]

the reason i know the names are in hebrew is that i read history. the names have meaning in hebrew. the israelites lived here for over a thousand years does it not make sense they would have names in there own language? the name "palestine" by the way is not in artabic, would it not make sense that a people would have a name in their own tounge for the land. furthermore i did not say the arabs should be kicked out just that the 2 state soulution is not really a soulution rather an dillusion.

[nazareneson37]

the whole khazar theory is total bullshit. it has been disproven via both historical study and genetics so stop the missinformation. it was the arabs who didnt exept the jews who setteled on land they bought. they started war, ethniclly cleansed every place they won including in hebron and jerusalem were jews had been living for generatins. and when they lost the wars they cry and say its not fair... its classic cry baby strategy.

[audiorage092]

Only one scientist has done studies on the khazar theory and all of his scientific discoveries are baseless. They are barely valid at all, and yet deniers like yourself cite these so-called discoveries all the time to promote your people. Ashkenazi jews just aren't semitic-blooded. And if they are, it's a very low percentage (meaning they had a sephardi ancestor). The original jews are sephardis. Ashkenazis are converts. How the hell did the BROWN hebrews turn blonde/blue-eyed and light skinned?

[nazareneson37]

i am a jew of ashkenaz and my family can trace its ancestry to yohanan ben zakay 2 millenia ago. in europe the jews were allways depicted as a slightly darker race although its clear that some groups mixed quit a lot. the khazars had slanted eyes so mr genetics expert tell me how that feture disapeared? do you know more than 500000 jews were exiled from arab countries after 48.more than the arabs we kicked out. you simply fell for the arab cry baby tactics.

[nazareneson37]

corection - are anccestry dates back to rabi Yohanan the shoemaker. got a bit carried away there...

[audiorage092]

You're right..I generalized that a little bit too much. there are some Ashkenazis that can trace their ancestry to Ancient Palestine. However, that is a small portion of the Ashkenazi population. You are 1/100000 of the ashkenazi population that has Semitic Ancestry. And EVEN THEN, how does that entitle you to Palestine? I'm about 1/16 turkish (the rest is Persian and Irish)..does that mean that I have the right to take Turkey with a bunch of other partial Turks?

[ed291]

well said pal.

[audiorage092]

Khazars did not have slanted eyes..they were from present-day western russia. Actually that figure of exiled Jews is greatly disputed. The figure (held by most of the eastern world, even Japan and India) is closer to 300000 or so. And who cares? they were exiled and then they went to Israel where they were discriminated against by Ashkenazi jews like yourself. Even today, Sephardi jews don't have equal rights..just like black jews and Arabs. The only ppl with full rights are white jews.

[nazareneson37]

dude , im bored with this.

[ed291]

Bored of the truth eh, maybe you shud build a concrete wall around yourself on youtube to protect yourself from the truth

[nazareneson37]

no ' im bored with people who think they know the truth and wouldnt know the truth if irt hit them in the face. i asume mr ed291 that you are an arab ( true?) so you justify anything the arabs do, that is why i waqs bored with the discution.

[ed291]

No sir I am not Arab, I am actually a Turk... may I ask where your from, I rather not make presumptions

[nazareneson37]

i am a jew living near nazareth. so i guesed wrong, i still have a feeling you are a bit baised. if you wish to explore the conflict with an open mind you might discover some new things. in my youth i was a leftisty activist and i am aware of the suffering on both sides. i have since changed my views. if you are such a champion of human rights i'd like to see what you have done for the rights of kurds in turkey not to mention the armenian genocide commited by your not too distant ancestors

[ed291]

well your the first Jew I have met from Israel..

I am very open minded, and have accepted that anything was possible in the past.

Turks just like any other peoples including jews are capable of cruel things when they want to do it. So kurdish or armenian genocides happened yes, but I am not responsible for all turkish peoples denial... I only care for my own moral conscience.

So quick question are you a believer in Zionism or consider yourself a Zionist

[nazareneson37]

shalom, enjoyed your comment , much nicer discissing with people who listen. as to your question , i do consider myself a zionist .though i am aware of illuminati control behind the political movment the basic idea was a grass roots one and i do identify with it. by the way io never claimed there was a kurdish genocide. inshalla sir salam

[gezerbey]

Dude you're Turkish and you believe in Armenian propaganda??? You sold your soul

[ed291]

Yes I am a Turk, and fuck you for saying I sold my soul

[Ganer3320]

dont worry arab's and turks we well be strong like we ware i am a arab" and i hope we all stand togther like when the Ottomans exzezted and we well be even stronger

[britishbulldog100]

what are you talking about? When spanish killed you in the 15th century the sultan took you out of there. There will be no rights for kurds because theres nothing like kurds or kurdistan. Those people who speak that language" call themselves kurmanc and they belong to turkish tribes. Armenians didnt open their archives in the 20s so guess why. In karabax they showed their real face starting riots and massacres and hiding behind christian powers

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson they had no rights? prime minister Turgeu Özal was of kurdish origin. one of most famous actress and prostitue in Turkey's movie sector Hülya Avşar is of kurdish origin who won a prize for berlin in berlin and had countless movies in Turkish cinema. could you show me a israeli prime minister of palestinian origin in your country? it is impossible. it is comic when your kind of terrorist lover people came with these logics.

[nazareneson37]

@Igotangry ui didnt say kurds had no rights just that their human rights were been violated, do you deny that?. in general the turks are invaders who took there land by force so why preach to others?

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson37 what ri,ght they had been violated? they had gort a better life in Turkey than palesitinians had in israel. although they had been terrorizing my country, their kids had not been shot by police in the street. Turkish army did not kill childs, like the jews pkk killed infant babies in villages. your nation is such a human garbage disgusting non human evil nation

[nazareneson37]

@Igotangry have the turks always lived in turkey or did they invade and kick the original inhabitants out? simple yes or no would do......

dont throw stones if you live in a glass house

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson37there still lives armenian, greek in İstanbul and their churches are open. but you can not show a single mosque filled with Turks where they used to live 100 years ago. till the end of Turkish great survival war, they had been living in Turkey. than an agreement to change non-muslim in Turkey and muslims in Greece-top made cool public who in both greece and Turkey had enemity towards people that are not from their religion, so Turkey had became a muslim nation like greece christian

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson37 no, they used to live here till they joined the enemies of ottomans. the change was made with greece and new Turk government, because after war in both countries there were huge enemity to people who live in their nation in both countries, greece took anatolian christians, Turkey took its muslim citizens from greece. today you can still see an open church in Turkey with some minorites, but can't see a mosque filled with Turks in greece where they used to live 85 years ago

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson37 have you ever had a palestinian president , writer, movie director in your country? answer it.and yes, till to early 1920's all then non-muslim minorities survived in my country for 900 years.at least we did not exterminate them, when we lost balkans there arised 5 balkan from barbaric Turk rule. when israel non-exist tomorrow could we see palestinian? I guess no. you think you are a more humanist then Turks by help of cliches,you are not better than, much worse, fit barbarism

[Igotangry]

@nazareneson37 have you ever had a palestinian president , writer, movie director.do you know when we lost balkans there arised 5 nation from barbaric Turk rule. when israel non-exist tomorrow could we see palestinian? I think no. you think you are more humanist then Turks by help of cliches,you are not better than us, you are much worse, barbarism fit into you. if there had been your country instead of us. today there won't any etnic armenian, greek, kurd... left on world after 900 rule.

[TheEvolver311]

yeah yeah and istanbul was once constantiople

no muslism were running around saying "we shouldn't conqueror and implose our way of life on" well on the hole of north africa, all of the middle east, and parts of europe.

so spar the rest of the world with your religions sudden development of commpassion.

[dOcLaZ1337]

the palestinians need to realize they have been defeated just as THEY had defeated others many times ,its their turn to put their tail between their legs and admit DEFEAT:)

[crepplin159]

true that

[DesertOasis07]

the bedoins and the russian communists are the ones who screwed things up for arabs and jews

[zrdm3]

there it is, the Russian immigrants, there was no problem when people worked together. Imagine how different history would be if they lived under the same flag

[dOcLaZ1337]

they could but the palastenians wont settle on any agreement

[carabinieri210]

where is part 1 and 2 of this???

[Capuchin]

click on my username Capuchin and on my channel page there is a play list with links to all 4 parts so far.

[N3raki]

Algeria tunis egyptian always helped turks but ass licker gulf countries especially idiot british licker saudis hit turks from back. i hope allah will ask them

[Talha3200]

we lived in peace in the ottoman empire but the arabs wanted thier land and thousands deid

[youliosco]

your still fighting although we are watching something that is showing that because we fight each other we all suck together

the arabs shoundt fight against turks but also the turks shoudnt force the arabs to learn turkish and also not allow arabic school plus arabs didnt want the turks to fight in the world war with the germans because turkey was safe but arab land was in danger from the french and british navy so both made mistakes

[entict]

What a shit is that ? We never forced you guys to learn the Turkish language!! We read Koran in arabic for hunderds year and still do! Our names are arabic!!

[attilayhn]

yeah and that was the stupidest thing that we Turks have ever done. we should have forced arabs to be assimilated and should never have converted to their religion. btw my name is Turkish( Attila ) and I advise u, if you have an arabic name just replace it with a Turkish one or else you are a traitor to this nation!

[entict]

Wow I do love Arabs I don't have problems with them and I'm 100 % proud to be Muslim.Even prouder than being Turkish.But the fact that they think that they are 'the perfect muslim' is irritating me.And yes it's sad that they fought egainst our Ottoman grandfathers

:( WHY should we change our names we are proud of it !! I'm not a Traitor.And even I'm a traitor in your eyes I'm FUCKING proud on my ARABIC NAME!! I will not change it !! Greets from a MUSLIM !!

[ed291]

Shame an Arab would never think like you do, if you go to the middle east, they call each other Khaleeji which mean from the gulf. They consider themselves Arabs first and Muslims second. That is why no matter how much dialogue you try to create with them... they will always see you as an inferior person.

[youliosco]

@youliosco I know this is old but I only just saw the comment thing now, I just hope your ok and would like to let you know that you are right and we shall learn from our mistakes :)

[BozkurT187]

and then they ask themselves why there is soo many wars in the middle east..Cuz filthy arabs stabbed the ottomans in the back..When Ottomans were there .. there was no war.! Jews christians and muslims all livin together. And today?? u c suicide shit everywhere..Instead of helpin Muslims the Arabs preffered the Brittish.. and as result No more Palestina!

[kososvakid]

and thats bullshit. what arabs? your also an brainwashed turk. believing all school shit. who helped the brits? 5000 men of hashemite bedouin tribe, and NOT all arabs like your school lier books write.

[BozkurT187]

dont tell me my history.. and dont tell me that im brainwashed at turkish schools cuz i never studied in Turkey.. I dont even live in Turkey u Moron..go dream on

[tahchifih]

what about kamal ataturk?everybody knows that he was the reason that the ottoman empire was destroyed,also he was jew.

[hellboysjd2]

Effendis nice, thats a Turkish word thats now synced in the Arab vocabulary ;-)

[jelijeli1905]

Typical... always the end because they can not find anything bad of Ottomans.

[AaronandArsenal]

Also, where is part4? wud luv 2 c it

[Capuchin]

I've actually got part 4 written and half made already. I moved recently so I'm still in the process of getting set up. I'll try and get round to finishing it soon.

[AaronandArsenal]

native Palestinians?? WTF, they are regualr arabs. they r no different. jews are just as much of an indigenous population to what is now Israel as any Palestinian is.

Whats also interesting is that this video talks about arab aspirations for a home land-which seems to contradict the earlier representation of a Palestinian soceity, since one can only aspire to something if they do not (yet) have it.

Other than those points. Extremely interesting and balanced video.

[Capuchin]

I suggest you look up the meaing of indigenous in the dictionary. I don't think the term indigenous or native population is applicable to immigrants.

[AaronandArsenal]

no u r right but i was referring to the implication of the word immigrants which, as u r, im sure, aware, implies they r not native.

[Capuchin]

They were not native they were immigrants. Are you suggesting that the Israei population was purely the result of natural increase? The immigration statistics are there clear as day. A spade is a spade and immigrant is an immigrant. The word is implied because that is what they were.

[Fridomfry]

We can consider that, in the mid-XXth century, most Jews were immigrants in Palestine. Now, after 3 generations, they are just as indigenous as Palestinians. Just like the Europeans who had settled in French Algeria in the XIXth century, and were given the choice in 1962 between leaving their native land with one suitcase or being killed.

[Bakuninmeow]

Part of the reason for that choice on the part of the majority, not all, of the Algerian French leaving in 1962, was because of the support that many of them had given to organisations like the OAS(Organisation Armee Secrete)that had used terror tactics, as did the FLN on their end, to ensure the continued existence of Algerie Francaise.

In the end, because so many Algerian Europeans supported the OAS in word and deed, it shouldn't be a surprise that many Arabs were glad they left.

[Fridomfry]

No, it is the other way round: It was because the Algerian French (and many Algerians who wanted to stay French) were threatened by terrorists that some of them supported the OAS, in a desperate fight to live on their native soil.

I don't want to take sides in this tragedy: All these people got caught in History, in the complex colonial relationships and in the emerging war of terror in Islamic countries.

[Bakuninmeow]

Please remember that it was the French who first colonised Algeria to start, displaced the native Arab and Berber peoples from much of their land, and generally blocked reforms that would have made Algerian Arabs political equals with their European counter-parts.

They hoped to be able to keep Algeria that way,for good and all.

No nation or people is entitled to dominate another one, nor will that domination last for-ever. This, I believe, applies to all nations and peoples.

[Fridomfry]

Don't need to remember that, I could write exactly the same! There were many projects to establish equal citizenship between Algerians and Europeans. They were supported by Napoleon III, by parts of the military, and by socialists. Most of these reforms were blocked by colonial politicians.

Algerians were not only "Arabs" (= former invaders): There were also Kabyls, Berbers and Jews. The Jews got French citizenship in the 1880s. The Moslems had to chose between Islamic law and Code Civil.

[kososvakid]

bullshit. haha sorry, wrong. palestinians converted to islam (not all) in the 12-13 century. before that they were christian. so they are not part of the bedouin tribes from arabia. they just converted. btw ever met palestinians and palestinian culture?

[AaronandArsenal]

I really dont need t explain myself but yes i have. In Maagan in the Galil on the fotthills of the Golan. Me and my brothers played football with a Palestinians family from Nablus. (final score was 8-8 but thats by the by lol). I suggest that you take a leaf out of their book and sit and disucss rather than abuse and insult. May be then more people would lsiten to you.

[kososvakid]

palestinian ppl are the indigenous ppl since semitic migration to this area...

[Minotast]

You mean Syrians converted to Islam, because Palestinians are just a sub-group of Syrians. Hell Palestinians were all in favor of creating a single Syrian state that encompassed Palestinians. Now why would that be so if they weren't Syrians themselves?

[kososvakid]

no thats wrong."syrian" ppl mostly east aramaic ppl. more related to iraq than to palestine and lebanon. 2. old hebrew and phoenician and kanaanite were the same language. and also genetic studies showed that the ppl of palestine (arabic speaking) and the ppl of 2000 years ago are the same. inlike ppl from poland or russia or africa who dont belong to palestine.

[punkremover]

sherif of Maka was a dog

[TURKBOSNA]

Islam is growing back in Turkiye and there is nothing the secularists can do about it Alhamdulilah, everyday I hear people in outside services of restaurants talking" Oh no what are we going to do muslims are going to get power again, my wife isnt going to be allowed to walk around in city as prostitute"

[TURKBOSNA]

everything is Ataturks fault, may he burn in hell

[xtremeownage2]

Only Allah chooses who goes to hell! Dont say such ignorant things!

[tahchifih]

it s absolutely true,u can not decide a destination of somebody

[amber0508167]

Thats so true

[attilayhn]

why ? because he kicked out the stupid arab culture out of Turks? may he dwell on top of Mountains of Tengri and fight and enjoy eternal battles like all the rest of pure Turkic heroes!

[xcomtrx]

yes end of Ottos begining of Turkey

[SpeedyWatcher]

end of The Ottoman

beginning of The Türkiye!!

[Kurtlane]

No mention of Feisal - Weizmann agreement?!

[Capuchin]

Don't worry all that's in part 4. It did actually take place before the end of WWI (The first meeting was in June although it wasn't actually signed untill Jan 1919.) but for the sake of clarty I put it in the next part which deals with the British mandate and the post war negotiations.