To elaborate on why my views stand as such: Vaccines are not a matter of your opinion. Your emotional stance does not dictate any sort of truth. Your views are based in ignorance in fear, mine in evidence and knowledge. I understand, I do. The medical industry is corrupt, as is any industry. Question them. However, once you've been given the answer, do not deny it like a child throwing a tantrum when refusing his parents demands.
@ My responders: Type in "MMR vaccine correlation" in google SCHOLAR.
This limits your search results to articles with reliable source citation to peer review articles, generally used for professional research and reporting papers. I would be happy to see the studies you've been reading which supposedly show a direct link between the two so that I can see what sort of peer review journals they have been published in and what sorts of controls they used.
As in studies not published or related to Andrew Wakefield. The man who was disbarred from the UK medical field for producing falsified studies which were subsequently pulled from all medical journals.
watch?v=Y8f2P4GCJL8 Google : 'Security Memorandum 200" by Henry Kissinger 1976. Get Powerful Government Documents that will change your life. Google: " Vaccine Ingredient Summary" for a free list of vaccine ingredients. Also Google: w w w truth about gardasil dot org
I was under the impression that 11 of 12 authors of studies connecting shots to autism had withdrawn their theories. As a fully managing member of the autistic community I'm always pretty annoyed when people look to blame and find a miracle cure. Whether your son has mild as or is a wrist biter, he's a person. Not a disease. :(
@saberjoyce That's what I've found by reading most of the anti-vax comments. It's not about finding an answer, it's about finding someone to blame. When you read the comments, always about the "bad" things "big pharma" has done, or the evil scientists creating mutant mosquitoes, but never anything showing anything resembling real evidence to support their cause. It's the same thing with any irrational belief, like 9/11 truthers, or moon landing hoaxers. Discredit the opposition to win.
ANH FEATURE: Dieticians and nutritional therapists: never the twain shall meet?: h t t p ://anh-europe . org/news/anh-feature-dieticians-and-nutritional-therapists-never-the-twain-shall-meet
Vitamin D deficiency kills UK children as rickets cases rocket worldwide: h t t p : / / a n h-europe . org/news/vitamin-d-deficiency-kills-uk-children-as-rickets-cases-rocket-worldwide
Jeffrey Bland PhD summarises how functional medicine provides an appropriate model for 21st Century medicine: w w w . youtube.com/watch?v=cEuoFLN4zhE&feature=player_embedded
watch?v=Y8f2P4GCJL8 Google : 'Security Memorandum 200" by Henry Kissinger 1976. Also get powerful government documents that will change your life. Google:' Vaccine Ingredient Summary" for a free list of vaccine ingredients.
@TheSymeister "Vaccination-The Hidden Truth" Oh, you mean the anti-vax propaganda film that's filled with pseudoscientific "experts", and which starts with a 30 second disclaimer that basically says "we know what we're saying is bs, but you can't sue us if you follow our advice and get sick". How can anyone take a film that starts with such a disclaimer seriously?
The rest of your posts have really nothing to do with vaccines.
w w w . anh - europe.org/node/3527?utm_source=The+Alliance+for+Natural+Health&utm_campaign=18c603a3bc-120127_ANH_Intl_e_Alert_No_801_27_2012&utm_medium=email
To say everything has risks or we would be worse off w/o vax are deflections shills use to protect drug industry profits at the expense of kids' health
We need INDEPENDENT studies to find out why vaccines injure & make them safer AND/OR find which kids are susceptible to injury & not vaccinate them, relying on herd immunity & medicine to protect or save them
The solutions can be found. We need to do the proper studies
@14knuckledragger "of course if we'd stop importing immigrants..." You do realize that outbreaks also happen because of foreign travelers and people returning from holiday, right? That these diseases aren't just limited to third-world countries? Its also a problem that's cropping up more and more in the US because communities of people choosing not to vaccinate give outbreaks a beachhead to work from. watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o
Even though you're a racist ethnocentric fuckhead that deserves to die, let me do you the kindness of offering you some insight.
There are these things, sort of like cars except with wings, and they fly in the sky. Sometimes, people get in them to go to other places - not necessarily to IMMIGRATE there - y'know, just to visit. Fuck me, why do I even try? Kill yourself you fucker.
@Setzuo yeah, that's the kind of "open-mindedness" I love about you multi-cultural twats; it's all good as long as everyone agrees with you. keep being peaceful, little faggot.
what would be more plausible at this point would be the approximate 4000 toxic chemicals in the air we breath and their current higher concentration than in the years past. The lazy/luxurious living style we now live, that's spitting out chems and radiation everywhere, is likely the cause of the majority of illnesses and mental disabilities that are on the rise. That's likely why the new research is considering everything in the persons life, diet/environment/life style and whatever else.
Anyways, if you actually cared about truth you'd wait and see what they found as the cause, instead of saying it's this or that without any conclusive evidence. You won't know the answer until the answer is found, plenty of people are trying to link vaccines to autism and yet they haven't found anything concrete to support their claims, and those that are looking somewhere else are now the conspirators because they won't dwell on something they've discredited.
@michael "but Arcana doesn't...or dispute the studies I have posted" Stop lying. I actually did refute the studies you presented, you just have a habit of ignoring anything that contradicts you.
"When shills attempt to argue with me they don't post evidence, they don't quote authorities. They know I will investigate & expose their nonsense" 1) Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they must be getting paid to do so, and 2) they do post studies, etc., you just ignore them.
btw, food you eat actually has mercury in it, just in case you didn't know you fed yourself that toxic crap and likely don't even avoid the foods that have it, but complain the pharma companies are feeding you an even smaller dose of it to make sure life threatening microbes aren't in the shot.
When shills attempt to argue with me they don't post evidence, they don't quote authorities. They know I will investigate & expose their nonsense
If I can't I will apologize & thank them for the info
The truth is as Dr Bernadine Healy has stated in 2008 (backing up Dr Wakefield's calls for independent clinical studies in 1998)
Dr Healy (NIH Director & Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine) said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
@michael0156 HI MIKEY!!! Welcome back. Still the same posts I see. Was hoping you'd return with something new.
You know why we don't post evidence? Because we don't have to. You're making the claim, so it's up to you to prove your claim. And package inserts, Vax injury tables, and dr opinions don't count as evidence. Show a study proving your point. And nothing from Whale, naturalnews or infowars.
Should I wait or just expect the normal response? As if I don't know the response.
"Search- "whale.to vaccines" for the truth" Scopie's Law, you lose. Whale.to is not a reliable source at all; it contains every (and I do mean every) half-baked pseudoscientific theory and conspiracy theory ever concocted.
@ArcanaKnight Again he posts no evidence, just claims "whale.to vaccines" is is not reliable because other pages of the whale.to URL have crackpot theories
I didn't refer to any other websites hosted at whale.to except vaccines, but again Arcana doesn't present evidence of errors at "whale.to vaccines", or dispute the studies I have posted
Another excellent site to visit for the truth is AgeOfAutism. There you will find evidenced filled posts exposing drug industry & regulatory fraud
"DOZENS of different types of brain & immune system injury are linked to MMR" And again, you're ignoring the fact that such adverse reactions are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the complications caused by the diseases they protect against; some of them are even less likely to occur than being struck by lightning.
Replying to Michael is clearly pointless. He ignores/denies out of hand any facts which contradict his fanatical beliefs that vaccines are evil.
The illuminati prints books for the members (when they sell their souls) of affiliate programs, so they can cure themselves. I know this for a fact, and that she didn't come up with this on her own. Yes, damned if we do, damned if we don't ArcanaKnight...it was designed like that for a reason.
Here's a video demonstrating how choosing not to vaccinate your children not only puts them at risk of contracting these diseases, but can also put everyone else around them at risk too: watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o
I've gone round and round with so many people on this debate. It is always the same. I can link sources to thousands of research articles disproving this nonsense and people still come back with the same anecdotal rhetoric.
Fuck it. I'm done. Don't get your kids vaccinated - use the money you saved to buy a coffin.
@Setzoo You claim to have "thousands of research articles disproving this nonsense" but you don't post one. You also don't say what "nonsense" you are talking about
Then you fear monger, fraudulently saying if we don't vaccinate, our kids will die
Post your best 2 articles disproving whatever it is you imply you were going to disprove. State some "facts", your position, what you are disputing... stop hiding behind inuendo
Your unsubstantiated implications could lead to kids being injured
My position is that of someone with the ability to google and a lick of common sense. Want evidence? Go to the CDC website. Go to the WHO website. Click one of the many resource links for vaccine information that forwards to peer reviewed research article for vaccines. Use a fucking search engine. But hey, who am I to say that medical professionals the world over know more about medicine then a TV actress? That would be silly.
I post facts from FDA/CDC/NIH/Merck showing neurological & immunological damage caused by vaccines
As we tripled the shots kids got in the past 23 years, autism skyrocketed. This is a simple correlation. When vaccines are proved to cause brain & immune damage we must ensure they don't also cause, or lead to, autism
Studies "proving" the correlation doesn't exist are fraud, not science
2008-Dr Healy stated "It's inexcusable that the proper research hasn't been done"
@Setzuo Merely saying something is wrong shows you have no argument, evidence or understanding
You say "'correlation' is a fallacy"... another nonsense statement
What you probably meant to say is "correlation ≠ causation". This is a true, but correlation (vaccines are temporally correlated to autism) is justification for further investigation
Instead the drug industry & FDA focus on "proving" there is no correaltion, which can't be done & is the true waste of research $
@michael0156 umm if you dont' vaccinate your kids, i couldn't care less if they die, it's that they'll infect people that have gotten the vaccines and they might die, that's the entire problem. Hopefully we'll be able to sue people that start measles epidemics. Measles cases are already on the rise, so are the deaths, and it's not only the people that aren't taking the vaccine over something that's been invented. You do realize people testing this aren't all american crooks right?
You might also want to add the fact that the initial 'research' done linking MMR to autism was done on children who took vaccines that had thimerosal already removed which completely demolishes the validity of the research which has been proved to be fraudulent. People don't care about science, they only care about controversy, even if science proves something there will still be somebody with absolutely no valid research that will be crying out foul play.
Thimerosal was never removed from MMR as you claim. Thimerosal was never in MMR. You demonstrate ignorance or you lie
You don't say what research was proved fraudulent
Of course you try to parrot the lies about Dr Andrew Wakefield's 1998 paper (co-authored by 12 others). The research was never proven fraudulent. The drug industry bribed a host of people to persecute Wakefield. Crispin & Nigel Davis, James Murdoch, Brian Deer, Fiona Godlee etc
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
@michael But those "environmental triggers" doesn't automatically mean vaccines. In fact, vaccines have been so thoroughly studied that it is one of the few possibilities that have been ruled out beyond reasonable doubt.
"lists 5 pages of adverse events..." That of course ignores the fact that such adverse reactions are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the complications caused by the diseases they protect against.
Vaccines have not been studied regarding autism. Again you ignore Dr BErnadine Healy's simple statements "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the properresearch has not been done"
Her credentials are impeccable, where are yours?
Post your 2 best studies that show vaccines do not cause autism
I have challenged you before, you have made your excuses & refused to post evidence
Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered
@michael0156 "I posted evidence, where's yours" There's links on my profile with many such studies, such as this one: tinyurlDOTcom/3fratpo What can be seen by all the studies on this is that as the quality of the study goes up, the likelihood of any connection found goes down (something common of pseudoscience). There's also an article explaining why using Healy as some sort of argument from authority is doubly flawed; her credentials aren't nearly as "impeccable" as you claim.
@ArcanaKnight "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
Again you refuse to post even ONE NIH listed study that shows vaccines do not cause autism, although you claim there are many.
Here's 2 showing vax are still suspect
April-2011 PMID 21522181 “However, despite the strong influence of genetic factors, association studies have yet to identify statistically robust, replicated major effect genes or SNPs”
July-2011 PMID 21727249 “Susceptibility to ASD has moderate genetic heritability and a substantial shared twin environmental component”
@michael0156 "Here's 2 showing vax are still suspect" Neither of those studies do what you claim; all they say is that autism probably has one or more environmental factors, that its not entirely genetic. At no point do they even guess at what those environmental factors might be, nor was figuring that out within the scope of either study. Stop lying.
"you refuse to post even ONE NIH listed study" Actually, I linked to several studies and pointed out where you could find more.
@michael0156 the best research is being done now, with the removal of thimerosal from vaccines the percent of children getting autism hasn't changed at all. That and there's 100 000 children being monitored as we speak, from birth until the age of 25, to see what may cause this epidemic of new brain related problems. Now that is a study, not it may cause autism, the sun may cause infertility, god may exist, dogs may talk. lol, saying things like that makes me doubt those credentials
@Zitlox Thimerosal is not removed & doesn't have to be. The FDA RECOMMENDED removal, maintains it is safe & pediatric flu vax has 250 times EPA daily dose limitof mercury per kilogram (for an adult)
I see you offer no searchable evidence
Search- MMR package insert -This is a 12 page pamphlet from Merck research on their own MMR. DOZENS of different types of brain & immune system injury are linked to MMR, according to Merck
@michael0156 you do realize all these autistic children aren't fed the same american crap american children are given right? children that aren't getting vaccines have autism symptoms same time as the ones that don't, and adult vaccines aren't given to the children that have autism, how can you just throw that in there to prove vaccines given to children still have thimerosal. You talk like the drug industry is the only one currently doing research on autism and it's a big conspiracy...
The "studies" comparing vaccinated & unvaccinated children are proved fraudulent
Search- nellco autism -Records of 1000 kids compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage were reviewed. 83 were diagnosed with autism AFTER the brain damage
Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" &"It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done
Thimerosal is not banned & is in some kids' vaccines. Removal was REQUESTED, not mandated
@ArcanaKnight Unless "I" did the research and saw the results for myself, then I do not believe "numbers" or anyone else's research. And I reckon most truly believes that unemployment is only at 10 percent too? Okay can anyone explain to me why the "swine flu" scare? Which now we know was man made with a purpose in mind, that suddenly went away when they saw how many were saying that they wouldn't get innoculated against it, and realized it could spiral out of control and come back at them.
@onejanedoe2003 "Unless 'I' did the research and saw the results for myself, then I do not believe 'numbers' or anyone else's research" Do you even know what reasonable doubt means?
"can anyone explain to me why the "swine flu" scare" We got lucky, that's it. Can you explain why not one conspiracy theorist like yourself ever admitted they were overreacting about all their doom predictions?
"Which now we know was man made with a purpose in mind..." Conspiracy mongering bs.
Search for- nellco autism - A study of 1000 kids with vax-caused brain damage who were compensated by the National Vaccine Injury Program. 83 kids were newly diagnosed with autism AFTER the vax injury
2008-Dr Bernadine Healy "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research hasn't been done"
For 7 years the worldwide Autism Genome Project has been unable to associate more than 1% of autism to genes. Environmental triggers are still more likely to cause autism
Shills ignore or lie about all truthful evidence, about Drs Wakefield/Healy & others. They allow kids to be injured because they are sociopaths, unable to care or sympathize
April-2011 PMID 21522181 “However, despite the strong influence of genetic factors, association studies have yet to identify statistically robust, replicated major effect genes”
July-2011 PMID 21727249 “Susceptibility to ASD has moderate genetic heritability and a substantial shared twin ENVIRONMENTAL component”
The evidence of harm is obvious & published by vaccine maker Merck
Search for- MMR package insert - a 12 page pamphlet created by Merck. It lists 5 pages of adverse events, contraindications, precautions, warnings. Other problems are scattered thruout the pamphlet
Dozens of types of brain & immune system injuries, happening to adults as well as kids during Merck's clinical trials, linked by Merck's research to their MMR
Many of the injuries are proved & listed on The Vaccine Injury Table
Wow I was actually listening until I realized that she was peddling a book! Cmon Jenny, stop getting idiots to harm their kids and get back in the gym get that ass tight again and become a call girl! That way you will actually be contributing to society.
watch?v=/T8OdqPuJ8Ok Also Google" Premature babies used as lab rats in manipulated vaccine trials by Catherine England, Jan 23rd, 2012. h t t p :// vactruthDTcm/2012/01/23/babies-used-as-lab-rats/
a 2005 study was unable to 'correlate increasing vaccination coverage after 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group.' Instead, they attributed the reduction in deaths to acquired 'herd' immunity - nothing to do with vaccines."
@TheSymeister Its important to note though, that that study was only talking about the seasonal flu shot, and even then only as it impacted the mortality rate of the elderly. Your comment dishonestly gives the impression that the study was talking about vaccines in general and how they effect all ages.
But this hasn't stopped NHS Direct from giving out thousands of doses on authority of barely trained, non-medical call centre operatives. Pandemics are also a good way to sell vaccines; manufacturers now stand to earn around $50bn per year from influenza vaccines alone, from a vaccine that will be rolled out without proper safety testing and with efficacy totally unproven;
"Pharmaceutical companies love pandemics - they are a great way to sell practically useless drugs such as Tamiflu; a thorough review by the Centre for Reviews and Dissemination, at York University, found that these drugs reduced the duration of flu symptoms by less than a day and recommended that giving them to healthy adults 'is unlikely to be the most appropriate course of action.'
Hell, I would think the greedy bastards would love pandemics so they could make money from treating people hospitalized w/flu or pneumonia caused by flu. Kind of dumb of them to be preventing that.
@StumpyOuch What are you doing? Quoting from pro vax sites? Why are doctors not vaccinating their kids? Why are bumbling idiots like DR. Oz..who is Pro Pharma, caught saying at home, he is not the doctor..but daddy..and he will never vaccinate his kids? Why are vaccines being dropped on the wild? All can go on and on and on...nothing you post will change reality. People are waking up. Vaccines are not safe, never have been. Now we tool disease and turned it pandemic.
The following article also explains that the polio vaccine is responsible for a cancer causing monkey virus SV40 finding its way into the human genome.w w w . vaccinetruth . org/page_13.htm
...incidences of polio increased sharply. In Massachusetts, to take an extreme example, there were 273 cases of polio in the year leading up to August 30, 1954, when the vaccine was introduced statewide. One year later, there were 2,027 cases.
"Until the advent of the Salk vaccine in 1955, the only prescription for extreme cases of polio was years of physical therapy and bed rest. Yet even so, in the three decades preceding the vaccine, the death rate from polio declined in the United States by 47 percent and in England by 55 percent. When mass inoculations began in the U.S., accompanied by stirring stories in Life magazine on Salk as the great healer of the century, the...
note it says death rate. Death is not the only result of getting polio. Vaccines didn't evolve in a vacuum. Advancements in modern medicine helped keep polio victims alive. (iron lung, anyone). The CASE rate didn't fall drastically (and stay low) until after the vaccine.
"Today, polio has virtually been wiped out in the United States. But so has it from those European countries that voiced doubts about the vaccine in the 1950s and chose not to institute mandatory inoculations." It's a shocking perspective, but as one goes down the list of other vaccines - diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella - every last one's history bears out the same disturbing correlations...
"Polio vaccine, not only did not wipe out polio, as the proponents had claimed, but it actually increased it over 300% in some of the states which had compulsory polio vaccination, and the polio was in the vaccinated."--E McBean (p23 Vaccination Condemned)
The medical community is a bunch of morons hired on purpose to poison us all. The cure to the common cold is simple and perfect. 10000 milligrams of b-6. I have never in my 15 years on this earth gotten sick. Even taking care of the strep boys. (Two kids we used to babysit who were always sick as dogs.) At the most my mom got sniffly.
@mapletrips - I am sorry to say that you are mistaken by what you are saying. Bill and Melinda Gates are known for donating money towards the depopulation agenda by vaccines and here is a video you can look up: Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation. These people are trying to act as if they are God.
@francesca27545 You should actually watch the whole video of Bill Gates on TED talks rather than just watching a video that is quote mining what he said and inserting their own meaning to what he said.
See, in nations that don't vaccinate, there is a higher child mortality rate, so parents have MORE children to compensate. So if they start to vaccinate, there's no need to have 10 kids, one or two would do.
But I guess it makes more sense to u that gates is into killing billions of his customers.
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I wonder if she ate a lot of tuna fish when she was pregnant. One of the new theories that really resonates with me,is the one about consuming metals in your food while you are pregnant. The adult body can digest metals but a fetus cannot. And that the mercury based vaccinations send the fetus"over the edge" so to speak into autism. Several childeren went in for chelating and had the metals removed with AMAZING results. Someday we will all have an answer.
@celsorod Its also a fact that the toxicity is in the dose (even water can be toxic in the wrong dose), and none of the ingredients in vaccines are even close to being toxic levels.
@celsorod Do you eat fish? That has mercury in it, and yet most adults won't get sick from eating it unless they eat too much of it; that's because the amount of mercury in it is not enough to reach toxic levels. Formaldehyde is a natural byproduct of metabolism, but it doesn't poison us because the amount in our system is nowhere near toxic levels. Almost all substances can be toxic or nontoxic under the right conditions.
@ArcanaKnight True, but i dont need to take anything big pharma is giving away for free. Nothing in life is ever free, If the medical and pharma industry was jus looking out for our well being why is there more cancer and disease than before. News flash: there is more money to make off a sick population than a healthy one, and if you dont see whats going on then i cant help you.
@ArcanaKnight Silly boy..it also has Nuclear fall out! that is besides the point. Fish has warnigns on them..vaccines are pushed without real warnings and the list of what is in them hidden. Its not about what might be dose related..its about what is..vaccines.
@mikenotnumberone1 About those vaccines: The list of vaccine ingredients is made completely available for anyone in the package insert of each and every vaccine. Adverse events reported during clinical trials and post marketing data is also available along with lots of other completely available information about each vaccine. When in doubt, READ and LEARN. You keep writing this suspicion-driven hysterical nonsense that it's all "hidden". It clearly is not.
@mapletrips No it is not made completely available. Stop lying. Many have you go online. Tell me, in poorer communities where lies and propaganda are spread regarding vaccines (forced), how do these people find out? Why are third world nations ambushed by pharma and the Gates foundation..in Africa..at gunpoint? Then bill claims he had no knowledge of this and is horrified?You are on the wrong side.
@mikenotnumberone1 "Why are third world nations ambushed by pharma and the Gates foundation..in Africa..at gunpoint?" Hahahaha. Credible source of that please? I see it on infowars site and naturalnews, and other anti-vax site.
Here, I'll save you from it. The source is Mike Langa Lulanga. Who is that? Well, he's an Evangelical anti-vaxer in Malawi. He sees armed guards protecting the facility where the vaccines are given to protect the doctors from nutbags, and he takes it as "forced vax"
@tommy605 You saved yourself the embarassment..because that had nothing to do with what I was going to post. But thanks for tripping dude. You seem to know a lot of cover stories on things you claim to know nothing about..damage control lessons tommy boy? Why are bills in the US on the table for forced vaccines? Why do school districts try to deceive parents and say they are mandatory when they are not? Tommy boy..stop being a vax tard.
@mikenotnumberone1 It's quite simple. See, when idiots refuse to get their kids vaccinated, they 1) endanger their kids lives. 2) endanger other kids lives who may come into contact with them when they inevitably get something contagious, 3) minimize the possibility off epidemic outbreaks. See, pretty simple. It's about health and prevention. It's obvious that some people aren't capable of making good decisions on their own, so some regulations are required. Like mandatory car insurance. Clear?
@tommy605 Oh, so someone with a conscience or religious belief is now an idiot? Well lets make it even simpler..why are they carpet vax bombing the environment in Texas Tommy boy? Dropping Rabies vaccine (which at a time caused POLIO with the live virus found in it) into the wild? Are animals now the target of Pharma at the expense of the Govt then passed onto people paying their taxes? So you are ok with that? Idiot? The epidemic breakouts are shown to occur after vaxing
@mikenotnumberone1 With a conscience, no. Religious belief, mostly, yep. I'd like to see the source on your polio claim, but the answer to why they're spreading the vaccines that way, well, since they started, they almost eliminated rabies.They've been doing this for sometime, and started when people were dying of it. Since 2000, there has only been 2 reported cases of rabies, and ZERO in humans since the program started. I'd say that's an excellent result. You can thank Canada for that method.
@tommy605 Look up the results of the polio vaccine. Wait..you do not read or do that..so why would I bother to link it? You never read anything so why ask to see it? No one eliminated rabies or almost did. Tell me again why in any era, carpet bombs of vaccines are dumped on the population or wild? did you vote that In? Did any americans? Rabies is such an outbreak right? Where is rabies a pandemic to deserve dropping live virus in the wild Tommy?
@mikenotnumberone1 NO, I don’t read your citations when you post from whale, infowars or naturalnews. Post a real citation, and I’ll read it. And what does the polio vaccine have to do with what I posted? You said the rabies vaccine caused polio outbreaks. I wanted a source for that. As for the carpet bombing for the rabies, do you even have a clue of how it’s done? Yeah, I bet you don’t. You think they’re spraying it like a crop duster all over the city and forested areas don’t you?
@mikenotnumberone1 You afraid of chem trails too? See, they’re dropping little packets, like ketchup packets. People don’t go after those. Coyotes and foxes do, which is their target. Research and see what you will find. Facts.
The analogy was a good one. It was showing that sometimes laws (which if it’s on the table to be a law now, still means it’s NOT a law, thatnk you very much for admitting I was right) need to be made because some people don’t have common sense
@mikenotnumberone1 Do you even know how a vaccine works? You keep talking about toxins, so let’s be specific. What toxins, and let’s just assume mercury, which we already know isn’t in most vaccines, and the one’s they’re in, the levels are too low to be harmful, but we’ll say that’s one. Name the toxins.
@tommy605 good health and prevention involves strengthening the immune system..not shocking it wityh huge doses of toxins tommy boy. Before you post, have an adult without vax tard symptoms review it..then hit send..will save you the laughable replies from me. You are not going to decide for people..nor should anyone else..Where do you get oiff..little eugenics thinker..on telling people what to do to their children?? ITs a free society..supposedly. Please shut up.
@mikenotnumberone1 "will save you the laughable replies from me" Yep. You said. Laughable replies.
And sure we are going to tell people what to do with their children. That's why there's seat belt laws for them, bicycle helmet laws, you can't leave them in a car while you go in for coffee, you can't buy them alcohol, and on and on. See, when dumbasses give their kids vitamin D thinking it's the cure or prevention of the flu, someone needs to step in. That is why there are laws and rules.
@mikenotnumberone1 And for the record, I don't think vaccination is a law in most places. But it is something that is mandatory if you plan on sending your kid to public school, or camp, or some other place. I'll say it again. It's to keep your potentially disease riddled crotch trophies from infecting the rest of the kids who have parents who care for their kids enough to get them their shots. There's nothing you have posted that can't just be ignored as, to quote you, laughable.
@tommy605 For the record it is on the table to be a law tommy. You do not get out much do you. Paid blogging got you at home permanently? To keep the what? Crotch trophies? You mean the death vaccine that got Rick Perry laughed at that even he changed his approach? The one that killed hundreds of kids and disabled thousands? Yes, you are laughable..so much that you claim I am, but keep replying? when are you going to take your shots live on webcam?
@tommy605 "in 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out live avian flu viruses to 18 countries"---go right ahead and get that flu shot tommy boy! Make sure yours is from Baxter..and I wanna see your face smile as the vaccine is injected into your arm..go have it it..if you continue to deflect this..you're a pussy.
@tommy605 As even the Institute of Medicine has admitted, "MMR vaccines for use in humans actually cause measles because many of the vaccines contain live viral strains." ---Institute of Medicine A group that backs the Pharma groups. How intersting Tommy.
@mikenotnumberone1 I get the flu shot sparky. As for the IOM, you should actually read the report, and NOT the naturalnews version of it. See, if you read the report, and accept what it says, then you accept that it does NOT support what you’re saying. Search for the report. Put this in google, or just go to the IOM site and search for it. It's a good read. Vaccine-report-brief-FINAL.pdf
@tommy605 "We've also seen cases where police have been called and CPS workers threatened to take children away from parents who refused to vaccinate their children"
---naturalnews and infowars cases identified in many areas of the country. Why are children being snatched up for profit Tommy? do you have any answers or are you going to just give me coffee table talk and replies? Are you hanging with Bati in your bath robe?
@tommy605 "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has already conducted bizarre experiments on genetically engineered mosquitoes that carry vaccines to be silently injected into unsuspecting humans. And that same foundation has also invested heavily in covert vaccination technology that could, for example, vaccinate you with a spray mist used at airport security checkpoints"----right from the gates foundation research team Tommy...its all a conspiracy though right? No harm.
@Xerock Concerns Are Raised About Genetically Engineered Mosquitoes
By ANDREW POLLACK
Published: October 30, 2011 Researchers on Sunday reported initial signs of success from the first release... of mosquitoes engineered to pass a lethal gene to their offspring, killing them before they reach adulthood. ...could herald an age in which genetically modified insects will be used to help control agricultural pests and insect-borne diseases like dengue fever and malaria.
@Xerock The New York Times article I quoted also says there are concerns that these mosquitoes could threaten public health, and that they might be ineffective in eradicating malaria because they can't compete with natural mosquitoes in mating.
They could also upset the ecological balance. It's not so much a weapon conspiracy as much as doctors sometimes being deluded crackpots themselves.
@mikenotnumberone1 Boy, I must have gotten under your skin on the last ones. Look at how many you posted. And the genetically engineered mosquitos comment? You either lied or just too lazy to look it up. What they’re doing is trying to make a mosquito that won’t carry and transfer malaria. It’s not a flying vaccine. It’s just resistent to malaria, keeping it from spreading and killing one person every 30 seconds.
@mikenotnumberone1 See, it's actually not a bad idea in theory. To save close to a million lives a year, have mosquitoes carry a vaccine. But since there is no vaccine for malaria, your story is FULL OF SHIT!
The Japanese have been looking at having mosquitoes carry a vaccine, but it's for Leishmania, not malaria.
I debated about replying to you because it's all to easy to refute everything you say.
@tommy605 You are screaming out in fail Tommy. It is on record of the mosquito experiments. And now they are out there in smoe areas and the best I get from you are deflections? Why do you keep making excuses tommy then get mad at me when the truth is linked and posted? You seem angry, did you not make commission on your volume posts?
@tommy605 I posted the info, now you are telling me what you think not what is. Youre failing Tommy. Like usual. Making this easy for me to laugh at. The experiments are on reocord and there is no way for you to cover it up. You need to go to another site, start over with another profile. Oh wait, you already do this.You have refuted ZERO. Making this a joy to watch you meltdown sending in bati's wife (rolling my eyes)
@mikenotnumberone1 Hahahaha. First, I never get mad. Second, you never posted links to your sources. Other than naturalnews, infowars, and whale. You don't have to take me seriously, sparky. I see you're looking for a dignified way out of this discussion, but the history in the thread will confirm who has said what and provided what.
I don't need help to refute you, or others like you. I have evidence on my side. You have Alex Jones and Jenny. I could win on that alone.
LOL...you do not get mad or pretend to not get mad Tommy??Secondly..I have posted many links and was told "I will never read that crap." So again you are asking me for links? Tommy please stop. You're an idiot. I never take you seriously..and either do the thousands that wake up monthly to this nonsense. Stop making excuses Tommy. You have zero evidence on your side. Anyone can post links to pro vax nonsense. I do not get paid or do the people sharing the right kind of information.
@mikenotnumberone1 Nope. I don't get mad. I already told you, yes, I won't read that crap. I've read infowars, and naturalnews, and whale, and I know what's on there. I keep hoping you'll have a real source to cite. Like the ones I've posted. Like the AMA, AAP, Pubmed, and what was that one in yesterday's comment? Oh yeah, the IOM cite.But I never cite anything.
And yes, the thread. Have you been deleting your messages Sparky? Hide your lies and cover your footprints? The spam is your fault.
@tommy605 Sure Tommy..as you cap your replies and point to: the AMA? Same people that gave us: coconut oil and oil oil is bad for you...smoking is good. Pregnant women should never vaccinate..now they should and eating fish is ok during pregnancy and disregard the mercury warnings (um..to promote vaccines with mercury are ok) Or the CDC that publicly admitted the swine flu fail and now says women should not breast feed to let vaccines do their thing..good one tommy.
@tommy605 Pull out the fortune's of fortune cookies and tell me what it says. I might take that as having more validity vs what you quote. Pubmed? Partners patting themselves on the back to just get published? Tell me, are we still using what was published on the invalid cancer fraud studies at Duke? um..yes they do! Why was it all not retracted? Oh Tommy, still thinks Christmas is Christ's real birthday...
@mikenotnumberone1 Absolutely. I'd rather listen to and read papers from people and organizations that admit when they're wrong and work on finding the right answer. Not the one who says "I'm right, your wrong and you can't disprove me. Nah nah nah nah nah naaaaaaaah."
By the way. I don't think Christ existed, so no, I don't think dec 25th is his birthday. You know, if that has anything to do with the discussion. Or is it strictly in favour of infowars conspiracies that only matter?
@tommy605 so it was really hard to figure smoking is bad (ties to Amazon Dr's in smoking ads) and real food is healthy? Ok Tommy..is that your final answer? Lmao! So says the Guy who refuses to read anything. Tommy where did I say Info wars only. I posted a lot more. Vision..use it
@tommy605 The history of the thread? Where?? Most is deleted or spammed by the likes of you. I have posted this stuff over and over again. You have linked what exactly Tommy? When you start saying things like sparky, you might get yourself excited. Stay mello.
@tommy605 Boy, you must have been disappointed when you realized you had no answers and decided to scream for help and send in the other paid bloggers who are now talking to themselves. I did look it up which is why its posted. What have you done besides give your opinion only? You are not important Tommy so please do not waste my time with your agenda. Comparing vaccines to car insurance and seatbelts? Am I supposed to take you seriously after that?
@tommy605 Why are we experimenting with mosquitos to have them weaponized to carry vaccines Tommy? Its all there. Its on record..they have the reports showing this going on as research. Is this what you wanted?
@tommy605 Why was Jonas Salk..the Polio cax creator conducting insane dr jekyll like experiments in his days? Thats on record to. No refuting it tommy. I thought these guys save lives..but the truth is they took many..and injured while greeding over it..they in fact loved what they were doing. You like this sort of thing? What about the admitted sick over the top testing done on Prisoners at GITMO? Thats admitted Tommy, no deflecting. Where are your answers Tommy?
Why was Hilary fake crying over the known abuse to the prisoners? They knew it was going on..and no one tried to stop it? the poor in the earlier 1900's secretly injected with disease..and allowed to infect the ghettos? This is on record to Tommy. You like this sort of thing to? this is what youre defending. this is what the medical field claims is "Necessary" for the greater good. Please explain how that could be true. Again, are you going to explain this and take you vax's?
@tommy605 -----I am laughing at what you claim to be as your "KNOWLEDGE" on such things. Youre a complete failure. I laugh daily when I see your replies feebly posted to try to..intimidate people? you are about as dumb as they come son. Get back to work. You are not getting paid for these blogs. You did a dis-service to your employers this time.
@tommy605 Yes, laughable...because sensible replies go to those that deserve them. Seat belts are not injected into children. Tommy, the analogies..they are horrible! where do you get your bullshit from? Wearing a seatbelt vs being injected with known toxins? Do you need a fart break?
@tommy605 on and on and on..about alcohol, seat belts and helmets..and where is the relevance to taking a vaccine? IS this a Star wars thing? please fill all in on where the point of that drunken fail was? When someone gives their kids 9 live virus shots filled with chemicals on the danger list..someone needs to really step in..the CDC just recommended Women stop breast feeding to allow the vaccines to work better? tommy..please..save your soul.
@tommy605 if vaccines worked then the vaccinated would have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. The fact is that there is NO scientific data that proves the efficacy of vaccines. If anything the data shows that vaccines are harmful to our immune systems due to the addition of dangerous substances such as squalene and formaldehyde -- poisons, which cause toxicity. Studies have shown that vitamin D3 and a healthy well balanced organic diet are far more effective than vaccines.
There are dozens of studies showing the efficacy of vaccines. I suggest you go to pubmed and do a search for "vaccine efficacy" and read the studies.
Only antivaxers hold the opinion that vaccines should have 100% efficacy. Sadly, this is not the case. There are many reasons why a vaccine may fail, improper storage and handling, not getting the boosters, etc..
And of course, there are those who legitimately can not get vaccinated due to medical reasons.
@StumpyOuch In one of my previous posts I recommended Dr Robert Verkerk and Alliance for Natural Health's site for accurate and objective research and facts regarding vaccines. It can be found via google search.
I'm familiar with that site. They're quacks. They work for vitamin supplement makers to lobby for the right to make super dose vitamins to be sold over the counter.
If you don't understand what's wrong with that scenario, check out all of the lawsuits against prescription medications like Accutane (which is simply a mega dose of vitamin A).
Apparently you don't understand the difference between a "study" and an article written for a website.
@StumpyOuch You couldn't be more wrong. Dr Robert Verkerk is an extremely intelligent and well educated guy. He campaigns for full and accurate information regarding health care to be made available to the general public; rather than the propaganda and pseudoscience currently propagated by the WHO and Pharmaceutical industry driven clinical trials system, which is guilty of profiteering and is corrupt to the very core.
@StumpyOuch The mega dose you refer to is the standard amount vitamin required by the human body, which is around 1000 - 2000 IU. Totalitarian commissions, such as Codex Alimentarius, wish for the amount to be lowered to 200 IU so that the vitamin has little to no effect. The vitamin and food supplement markets profits are minuscule in comparison to those turned over by the multibillion dollar pharmaceutical industry, which is currently responsible for 788 000 deaths a year in the US
megadose of what exactly? There's more than one vitamin, and the toxicity is not the same for all.
Supplement industry is a multi BILLION $ industry. And they don't even have to do what they claim as long as they slap that "this statement has not been evaluated by the fda" disclaimer on it.
Per employee, supplement makers make far more than Big Pharma".
@StumpyOuch If anyone has profited massively through falsified data and the biased use of clinical trials, which omit evidence over the efficacy of natural products, it's the pharmaceutical industries that are in the habit of keeping people sick rather than curing them and that I have a massive problem with.
To elaborate on why my views stand as such: Vaccines are not a matter of your opinion. Your emotional stance does not dictate any sort of truth. Your views are based in ignorance in fear, mine in evidence and knowledge. I understand, I do. The medical industry is corrupt, as is any industry. Question them. However, once you've been given the answer, do not deny it like a child throwing a tantrum when refusing his parents demands.
Setzuo 1 hour ago
@ My responders: Type in "MMR vaccine correlation" in google SCHOLAR.
This limits your search results to articles with reliable source citation to peer review articles, generally used for professional research and reporting papers. I would be happy to see the studies you've been reading which supposedly show a direct link between the two so that I can see what sort of peer review journals they have been published in and what sorts of controls they used.
Setzuo 2 hours ago
@Setzuo
As in studies not published or related to Andrew Wakefield. The man who was disbarred from the UK medical field for producing falsified studies which were subsequently pulled from all medical journals.
Setzuo 1 hour ago
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CountVonChristopher 6 hours ago
I was under the impression that 11 of 12 authors of studies connecting shots to autism had withdrawn their theories. As a fully managing member of the autistic community I'm always pretty annoyed when people look to blame and find a miracle cure. Whether your son has mild as or is a wrist biter, he's a person. Not a disease. :(
saberjoyce 1 day ago
@saberjoyce That's what I've found by reading most of the anti-vax comments. It's not about finding an answer, it's about finding someone to blame. When you read the comments, always about the "bad" things "big pharma" has done, or the evil scientists creating mutant mosquitoes, but never anything showing anything resembling real evidence to support their cause. It's the same thing with any irrational belief, like 9/11 truthers, or moon landing hoaxers. Discredit the opposition to win.
tommy605 15 hours ago
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CountVonChristopher 1 day ago
Vaccination-The Hidden Truth w w w . youtube.com/watch?v=uVlvGFr2lrU
TheSymeister 1 day ago
@TheSymeister "Vaccination-The Hidden Truth" Oh, you mean the anti-vax propaganda film that's filled with pseudoscientific "experts", and which starts with a 30 second disclaimer that basically says "we know what we're saying is bs, but you can't sue us if you follow our advice and get sick". How can anyone take a film that starts with such a disclaimer seriously?
The rest of your posts have really nothing to do with vaccines.
ArcanaKnight 1 day ago
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TheSymeister 1 day ago
Vaccines are necessary, but are injuring our kids
What's the solution?
To say everything has risks or we would be worse off w/o vax are deflections shills use to protect drug industry profits at the expense of kids' health
We need INDEPENDENT studies to find out why vaccines injure & make them safer AND/OR find which kids are susceptible to injury & not vaccinate them, relying on herd immunity & medicine to protect or save them
The solutions can be found. We need to do the proper studies
michael0156 1 day ago
...of course if we'd stop importing immigrants from every 3rd world hell-hole we wouldn't NEED to vaccinate for everything under the sun.
14knuckledragger 2 days ago
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@14knuckledragger "of course if we'd stop importing immigrants..." You do realize that outbreaks also happen because of foreign travelers and people returning from holiday, right? That these diseases aren't just limited to third-world countries? Its also a problem that's cropping up more and more in the US because communities of people choosing not to vaccinate give outbreaks a beachhead to work from. watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
@14knuckledragger
Even though you're a racist ethnocentric fuckhead that deserves to die, let me do you the kindness of offering you some insight.
There are these things, sort of like cars except with wings, and they fly in the sky. Sometimes, people get in them to go to other places - not necessarily to IMMIGRATE there - y'know, just to visit. Fuck me, why do I even try? Kill yourself you fucker.
Setzuo 2 days ago
@Setzuo yeah, that's the kind of "open-mindedness" I love about you multi-cultural twats; it's all good as long as everyone agrees with you. keep being peaceful, little faggot.
14knuckledragger 2 hours ago
what would be more plausible at this point would be the approximate 4000 toxic chemicals in the air we breath and their current higher concentration than in the years past. The lazy/luxurious living style we now live, that's spitting out chems and radiation everywhere, is likely the cause of the majority of illnesses and mental disabilities that are on the rise. That's likely why the new research is considering everything in the persons life, diet/environment/life style and whatever else.
Zorlox420 2 days ago
Anyways, if you actually cared about truth you'd wait and see what they found as the cause, instead of saying it's this or that without any conclusive evidence. You won't know the answer until the answer is found, plenty of people are trying to link vaccines to autism and yet they haven't found anything concrete to support their claims, and those that are looking somewhere else are now the conspirators because they won't dwell on something they've discredited.
Zorlox420 2 days ago
@michael "but Arcana doesn't...or dispute the studies I have posted" Stop lying. I actually did refute the studies you presented, you just have a habit of ignoring anything that contradicts you.
"When shills attempt to argue with me they don't post evidence, they don't quote authorities. They know I will investigate & expose their nonsense" 1) Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they must be getting paid to do so, and 2) they do post studies, etc., you just ignore them.
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
That's it I'm going to open a site that says carbon monoxide from cars gives autism and I cured it then see how fast that scare mongering works.
Zorlox420 2 days ago
@Zorlox420
DON'T JOKE ABOUT THIS STUFF MY KID GOT AUTISM FROM CARS
Setzuo 2 days ago
btw, food you eat actually has mercury in it, just in case you didn't know you fed yourself that toxic crap and likely don't even avoid the foods that have it, but complain the pharma companies are feeding you an even smaller dose of it to make sure life threatening microbes aren't in the shot.
Zorlox420 2 days ago
you can always tell someone lost a debate when they're resorting to derogatory terms O.o
Zorlox420 2 days ago
When shills attempt to argue with me they don't post evidence, they don't quote authorities. They know I will investigate & expose their nonsense
If I can't I will apologize & thank them for the info
The truth is as Dr Bernadine Healy has stated in 2008 (backing up Dr Wakefield's calls for independent clinical studies in 1998)
Dr Healy (NIH Director & Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine) said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
michael0156 2 days ago
@michael0156 HI MIKEY!!! Welcome back. Still the same posts I see. Was hoping you'd return with something new.
You know why we don't post evidence? Because we don't have to. You're making the claim, so it's up to you to prove your claim. And package inserts, Vax injury tables, and dr opinions don't count as evidence. Show a study proving your point. And nothing from Whale, naturalnews or infowars.
Should I wait or just expect the normal response? As if I don't know the response.
tommy605 2 days ago
"Search- "whale.to vaccines" for the truth" Scopie's Law, you lose. Whale.to is not a reliable source at all; it contains every (and I do mean every) half-baked pseudoscientific theory and conspiracy theory ever concocted.
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
@ArcanaKnight Again he posts no evidence, just claims "whale.to vaccines" is is not reliable because other pages of the whale.to URL have crackpot theories
I didn't refer to any other websites hosted at whale.to except vaccines, but again Arcana doesn't present evidence of errors at "whale.to vaccines", or dispute the studies I have posted
Another excellent site to visit for the truth is AgeOfAutism. There you will find evidenced filled posts exposing drug industry & regulatory fraud
michael0156 2 days ago
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"DOZENS of different types of brain & immune system injury are linked to MMR" And again, you're ignoring the fact that such adverse reactions are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the complications caused by the diseases they protect against; some of them are even less likely to occur than being struck by lightning.
Replying to Michael is clearly pointless. He ignores/denies out of hand any facts which contradict his fanatical beliefs that vaccines are evil.
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
The illuminati prints books for the members (when they sell their souls) of affiliate programs, so they can cure themselves. I know this for a fact, and that she didn't come up with this on her own. Yes, damned if we do, damned if we don't ArcanaKnight...it was designed like that for a reason.
onejanedoe2003 2 days ago
Here's a video demonstrating how choosing not to vaccinate your children not only puts them at risk of contracting these diseases, but can also put everyone else around them at risk too: watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
I've gone round and round with so many people on this debate. It is always the same. I can link sources to thousands of research articles disproving this nonsense and people still come back with the same anecdotal rhetoric.
Fuck it. I'm done. Don't get your kids vaccinated - use the money you saved to buy a coffin.
Setzuo 2 days ago
@Setzoo You claim to have "thousands of research articles disproving this nonsense" but you don't post one. You also don't say what "nonsense" you are talking about
Then you fear monger, fraudulently saying if we don't vaccinate, our kids will die
Post your best 2 articles disproving whatever it is you imply you were going to disprove. State some "facts", your position, what you are disputing... stop hiding behind inuendo
Your unsubstantiated implications could lead to kids being injured
michael0156 2 days ago
@michael0156
My position is that of someone with the ability to google and a lick of common sense. Want evidence? Go to the CDC website. Go to the WHO website. Click one of the many resource links for vaccine information that forwards to peer reviewed research article for vaccines. Use a fucking search engine. But hey, who am I to say that medical professionals the world over know more about medicine then a TV actress? That would be silly.
Setzuo 2 days ago
@Seto - Again no evidence
I post facts from FDA/CDC/NIH/Merck showing neurological & immunological damage caused by vaccines
As we tripled the shots kids got in the past 23 years, autism skyrocketed. This is a simple correlation. When vaccines are proved to cause brain & immune damage we must ensure they don't also cause, or lead to, autism
Studies "proving" the correlation doesn't exist are fraud, not science
2008-Dr Healy stated "It's inexcusable that the proper research hasn't been done"
michael0156 1 day ago
@michael0156
Thank you for disproving your argument. In logic we are taught that "correlation" is a fallacy. Your proposition is invalid.
Setzuo 1 day ago
@Setzuo Merely saying something is wrong shows you have no argument, evidence or understanding
You say "'correlation' is a fallacy"... another nonsense statement
What you probably meant to say is "correlation ≠ causation". This is a true, but correlation (vaccines are temporally correlated to autism) is justification for further investigation
Instead the drug industry & FDA focus on "proving" there is no correaltion, which can't be done & is the true waste of research $
michael0156 2 hours ago
@michael0156 umm if you dont' vaccinate your kids, i couldn't care less if they die, it's that they'll infect people that have gotten the vaccines and they might die, that's the entire problem. Hopefully we'll be able to sue people that start measles epidemics. Measles cases are already on the rise, so are the deaths, and it's not only the people that aren't taking the vaccine over something that's been invented. You do realize people testing this aren't all american crooks right?
Zorlox420 2 days ago
You might also want to add the fact that the initial 'research' done linking MMR to autism was done on children who took vaccines that had thimerosal already removed which completely demolishes the validity of the research which has been proved to be fraudulent. People don't care about science, they only care about controversy, even if science proves something there will still be somebody with absolutely no valid research that will be crying out foul play.
Zorlox420 2 days ago
@Zitlox
Thimerosal was never removed from MMR as you claim. Thimerosal was never in MMR. You demonstrate ignorance or you lie
You don't say what research was proved fraudulent
Of course you try to parrot the lies about Dr Andrew Wakefield's 1998 paper (co-authored by 12 others). The research was never proven fraudulent. The drug industry bribed a host of people to persecute Wakefield. Crispin & Nigel Davis, James Murdoch, Brian Deer, Fiona Godlee etc
Search- "whale.to vaccines" for the truth
michael0156 2 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
My mother- the mother of a child with debilitating Autism- would say that this dumbass is full of shit, and that this is killing kids.
zellarsDD777 3 days ago 2
@michael But those "environmental triggers" doesn't automatically mean vaccines. In fact, vaccines have been so thoroughly studied that it is one of the few possibilities that have been ruled out beyond reasonable doubt.
"lists 5 pages of adverse events..." That of course ignores the fact that such adverse reactions are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the complications caused by the diseases they protect against.
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
@ArcanaKnight I posted evidence, where's yours
Vaccines have not been studied regarding autism. Again you ignore Dr BErnadine Healy's simple statements "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the properresearch has not been done"
Her credentials are impeccable, where are yours?
Post your 2 best studies that show vaccines do not cause autism
I have challenged you before, you have made your excuses & refused to post evidence
Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered
michael0156 3 days ago
@michael0156 "I posted evidence, where's yours" There's links on my profile with many such studies, such as this one: tinyurlDOTcom/3fratpo What can be seen by all the studies on this is that as the quality of the study goes up, the likelihood of any connection found goes down (something common of pseudoscience). There's also an article explaining why using Healy as some sort of argument from authority is doubly flawed; her credentials aren't nearly as "impeccable" as you claim.
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
@ArcanaKnight "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
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CONT "Post your 2 best studies" No, I'm familiar with the bogus nature of this offer of yours.
"Stop contributing to the harm children have suffered" You mean like the suffering caused by contracting diseases such as measles, which has enjoyed a resurgence in many places thanks mostly to the efforts of anti-vaxers like Wakefield and McCarthy?
ArcanaKnight 3 days ago
@Arcana
Again you refuse to post even ONE NIH listed study that shows vaccines do not cause autism, although you claim there are many.
Here's 2 showing vax are still suspect
April-2011 PMID 21522181 “However, despite the strong influence of genetic factors, association studies have yet to identify statistically robust, replicated major effect genes or SNPs”
July-2011 PMID 21727249 “Susceptibility to ASD has moderate genetic heritability and a substantial shared twin environmental component”
michael0156 2 days ago
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@michael0156 "Here's 2 showing vax are still suspect" Neither of those studies do what you claim; all they say is that autism probably has one or more environmental factors, that its not entirely genetic. At no point do they even guess at what those environmental factors might be, nor was figuring that out within the scope of either study. Stop lying.
"you refuse to post even ONE NIH listed study" Actually, I linked to several studies and pointed out where you could find more.
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
@Inane
You waste a paragraph claiming you posted studies, instead of posting ONE & relating it to the autism/vaccine issue
Vax remain suspect because those 2 studies from 2011 that I posted show;
1- Genes have not been found to explain autism or ASD
2- Environmental factors are more important than genes
Vaccines are "environmental" influences. Vaccines are known to cause DOZENS of types of brain injuries as well as immune impairments
You have no better candidate for autism's cause
michael0156 2 hours ago
@michael0156 the best research is being done now, with the removal of thimerosal from vaccines the percent of children getting autism hasn't changed at all. That and there's 100 000 children being monitored as we speak, from birth until the age of 25, to see what may cause this epidemic of new brain related problems. Now that is a study, not it may cause autism, the sun may cause infertility, god may exist, dogs may talk. lol, saying things like that makes me doubt those credentials
Zorlox420 2 days ago
@Zitlox Thimerosal is not removed & doesn't have to be. The FDA RECOMMENDED removal, maintains it is safe & pediatric flu vax has 250 times EPA daily dose limitof mercury per kilogram (for an adult)
I see you offer no searchable evidence
Search- MMR package insert -This is a 12 page pamphlet from Merck research on their own MMR. DOZENS of different types of brain & immune system injury are linked to MMR, according to Merck
Search- nellco autism -83 kids w/ vax-caused brain damage are autistic
michael0156 2 days ago
@michael0156 you do realize all these autistic children aren't fed the same american crap american children are given right? children that aren't getting vaccines have autism symptoms same time as the ones that don't, and adult vaccines aren't given to the children that have autism, how can you just throw that in there to prove vaccines given to children still have thimerosal. You talk like the drug industry is the only one currently doing research on autism and it's a big conspiracy...
Zorlox420 2 days ago
@Zitlox - Again, no evidence
The "studies" comparing vaccinated & unvaccinated children are proved fraudulent
Search- nellco autism -Records of 1000 kids compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage were reviewed. 83 were diagnosed with autism AFTER the brain damage
Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" &"It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done
Thimerosal is not banned & is in some kids' vaccines. Removal was REQUESTED, not mandated
michael0156 1 day ago
@ArcanaKnight Unless "I" did the research and saw the results for myself, then I do not believe "numbers" or anyone else's research. And I reckon most truly believes that unemployment is only at 10 percent too? Okay can anyone explain to me why the "swine flu" scare? Which now we know was man made with a purpose in mind, that suddenly went away when they saw how many were saying that they wouldn't get innoculated against it, and realized it could spiral out of control and come back at them.
onejanedoe2003 2 days ago
@onejanedoe2003 "Unless 'I' did the research and saw the results for myself, then I do not believe 'numbers' or anyone else's research" Do you even know what reasonable doubt means?
"can anyone explain to me why the "swine flu" scare" We got lucky, that's it. Can you explain why not one conspiracy theorist like yourself ever admitted they were overreacting about all their doom predictions?
"Which now we know was man made with a purpose in mind..." Conspiracy mongering bs.
ArcanaKnight 2 days ago
@ArcanaKnight Poof! it was gone! Disappeared. And a big pharma is now answering questions and suspecte of creating the whole mess to begin with.
onejanedoe2003 2 days ago
Search for- nellco autism - A study of 1000 kids with vax-caused brain damage who were compensated by the National Vaccine Injury Program. 83 kids were newly diagnosed with autism AFTER the vax injury
2008-Dr Bernadine Healy "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research hasn't been done"
For 7 years the worldwide Autism Genome Project has been unable to associate more than 1% of autism to genes. Environmental triggers are still more likely to cause autism
michael0156 3 days ago
Shills ignore or lie about all truthful evidence, about Drs Wakefield/Healy & others. They allow kids to be injured because they are sociopaths, unable to care or sympathize
April-2011 PMID 21522181 “However, despite the strong influence of genetic factors, association studies have yet to identify statistically robust, replicated major effect genes”
July-2011 PMID 21727249 “Susceptibility to ASD has moderate genetic heritability and a substantial shared twin ENVIRONMENTAL component”
michael0156 3 days ago
The evidence of harm is obvious & published by vaccine maker Merck
Search for- MMR package insert - a 12 page pamphlet created by Merck. It lists 5 pages of adverse events, contraindications, precautions, warnings. Other problems are scattered thruout the pamphlet
Dozens of types of brain & immune system injuries, happening to adults as well as kids during Merck's clinical trials, linked by Merck's research to their MMR
Many of the injuries are proved & listed on The Vaccine Injury Table
michael0156 3 days ago
cure 50 Tyson
Apexed818 3 days ago
Wow I was actually listening until I realized that she was peddling a book! Cmon Jenny, stop getting idiots to harm their kids and get back in the gym get that ass tight again and become a call girl! That way you will actually be contributing to society.
larsonb33 3 days ago
Fake medicines for a face society for fake people displayed on fake news.
Your society is fake. Get over it.
S0up3rD0up3r 4 days ago
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watch?v=/T8OdqPuJ8Ok Also Google" Premature babies used as lab rats in manipulated vaccine trials by Catherine England, Jan 23rd, 2012. h t t p :// vactruthDTcm/2012/01/23/babies-used-as-lab-rats/
Y0ureNoDaisy 4 days ago
fuck this cunt.
Trollercauster 4 days ago
If she 'cured' her son, then he never had autism to begin with.
gustafsg 4 days ago 2
She was very good and did not back down - and she's absolutely right.
MarcusCMarcellus 4 days ago 2
Total whack job
raderator 4 days ago
What a load of bollocks
gcav91 4 days ago
a 2005 study was unable to 'correlate increasing vaccination coverage after 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group.' Instead, they attributed the reduction in deaths to acquired 'herd' immunity - nothing to do with vaccines."
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister Its important to note though, that that study was only talking about the seasonal flu shot, and even then only as it impacted the mortality rate of the elderly. Your comment dishonestly gives the impression that the study was talking about vaccines in general and how they effect all ages.
ArcanaKnight 5 days ago
But this hasn't stopped NHS Direct from giving out thousands of doses on authority of barely trained, non-medical call centre operatives. Pandemics are also a good way to sell vaccines; manufacturers now stand to earn around $50bn per year from influenza vaccines alone, from a vaccine that will be rolled out without proper safety testing and with efficacy totally unproven;
TheSymeister 5 days ago
"Pharmaceutical companies love pandemics - they are a great way to sell practically useless drugs such as Tamiflu; a thorough review by the Centre for Reviews and Dissemination, at York University, found that these drugs reduced the duration of flu symptoms by less than a day and recommended that giving them to healthy adults 'is unlikely to be the most appropriate course of action.'
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
Hell, I would think the greedy bastards would love pandemics so they could make money from treating people hospitalized w/flu or pneumonia caused by flu. Kind of dumb of them to be preventing that.
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
As Dr Damien Downing highlights in his recent article: To Vaccinate or not to Vaccinate...
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
I love the quote mining, btw. Let me guess, another article written for an antivax website?
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
@StumpyOuch What are you doing? Quoting from pro vax sites? Why are doctors not vaccinating their kids? Why are bumbling idiots like DR. Oz..who is Pro Pharma, caught saying at home, he is not the doctor..but daddy..and he will never vaccinate his kids? Why are vaccines being dropped on the wild? All can go on and on and on...nothing you post will change reality. People are waking up. Vaccines are not safe, never have been. Now we tool disease and turned it pandemic.
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
The following article also explains that the polio vaccine is responsible for a cancer causing monkey virus SV40 finding its way into the human genome.w w w . vaccinetruth . org/page_13.htm
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
yet again, merely another cherry picking article written for an antivax website.
Your criteria for evidence is very low, I see. As long as someone writes an article and sticks it on a website, that;s good enough for you.
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
...incidences of polio increased sharply. In Massachusetts, to take an extreme example, there were 273 cases of polio in the year leading up to August 30, 1954, when the vaccine was introduced statewide. One year later, there were 2,027 cases.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
"Until the advent of the Salk vaccine in 1955, the only prescription for extreme cases of polio was years of physical therapy and bed rest. Yet even so, in the three decades preceding the vaccine, the death rate from polio declined in the United States by 47 percent and in England by 55 percent. When mass inoculations began in the U.S., accompanied by stirring stories in Life magazine on Salk as the great healer of the century, the...
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
note it says death rate. Death is not the only result of getting polio. Vaccines didn't evolve in a vacuum. Advancements in modern medicine helped keep polio victims alive. (iron lung, anyone). The CASE rate didn't fall drastically (and stay low) until after the vaccine.
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
If you want evidence and statistics - here they are.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
This isn't evidence. It's merely a cherry picking article from an antivax website.
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
Low rates of vaccine effectiveness. Suspicious upticks in disease incidence after the vaccines' introduction."---Martin Goldstein, D.V.M.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
"Today, polio has virtually been wiped out in the United States. But so has it from those European countries that voiced doubts about the vaccine in the 1950s and chose not to institute mandatory inoculations." It's a shocking perspective, but as one goes down the list of other vaccines - diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella - every last one's history bears out the same disturbing correlations...
TheSymeister 5 days ago
Polio was already on the decrease in the west due to improved living conditions, diet and sanitation - not because of the polio vaccine.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
"Polio vaccine, not only did not wipe out polio, as the proponents had claimed, but it actually increased it over 300% in some of the states which had compulsory polio vaccination, and the polio was in the vaccinated."--E McBean (p23 Vaccination Condemned)
TheSymeister 5 days ago
The medical community is a bunch of morons hired on purpose to poison us all. The cure to the common cold is simple and perfect. 10000 milligrams of b-6. I have never in my 15 years on this earth gotten sick. Even taking care of the strep boys. (Two kids we used to babysit who were always sick as dogs.) At the most my mom got sniffly.
pictureperfectsrm 5 days ago 2
Of course the uneducated, ill-informed believers know more than anyone who has devoted their life and career to the eradication of diseases.
MrShortfastloud 1 week ago
@mapletrips - I am sorry to say that you are mistaken by what you are saying. Bill and Melinda Gates are known for donating money towards the depopulation agenda by vaccines and here is a video you can look up: Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation. These people are trying to act as if they are God.
francesca27545 1 week ago
@francesca27545 You should actually watch the whole video of Bill Gates on TED talks rather than just watching a video that is quote mining what he said and inserting their own meaning to what he said.
See, in nations that don't vaccinate, there is a higher child mortality rate, so parents have MORE children to compensate. So if they start to vaccinate, there's no need to have 10 kids, one or two would do.
But I guess it makes more sense to u that gates is into killing billions of his customers.
tommy605 1 week ago
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Y0ureNoDaisy 1 week ago
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celsorod 1 week ago
i KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT YOU JENNY , YOUR A GREAT MOTHER , HE IS BLESSED TO HAVE YOU IN HIS LIFE . CONTINUE TO RECEIVE GODS BLESSINGS
PEB979 1 week ago
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ArtzGirl8 1 week ago
I wonder if she ate a lot of tuna fish when she was pregnant. One of the new theories that really resonates with me,is the one about consuming metals in your food while you are pregnant. The adult body can digest metals but a fetus cannot. And that the mercury based vaccinations send the fetus"over the edge" so to speak into autism. Several childeren went in for chelating and had the metals removed with AMAZING results. Someday we will all have an answer.
Tucsonlightworker 1 week ago
Its a fact that vaccines contain toxins.
celsorod 1 week ago
@celsorod Its also a fact that the toxicity is in the dose (even water can be toxic in the wrong dose), and none of the ingredients in vaccines are even close to being toxic levels.
ArcanaKnight 1 week ago
@ArcanaKnight, so go load up on poison, I'm good without.
celsorod 1 week ago
@celsorod Do you eat fish? That has mercury in it, and yet most adults won't get sick from eating it unless they eat too much of it; that's because the amount of mercury in it is not enough to reach toxic levels. Formaldehyde is a natural byproduct of metabolism, but it doesn't poison us because the amount in our system is nowhere near toxic levels. Almost all substances can be toxic or nontoxic under the right conditions.
ArcanaKnight 1 week ago
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@ArcanaKnight True, but i dont need to take anything big pharma is giving away for free. Nothing in life is ever free, If the medical and pharma industry was jus looking out for our well being why is there more cancer and disease than before. News flash: there is more money to make off a sick population than a healthy one, and if you dont see whats going on then i cant help you.
celsorod 1 week ago
@ArcanaKnight Silly boy..it also has Nuclear fall out! that is besides the point. Fish has warnigns on them..vaccines are pushed without real warnings and the list of what is in them hidden. Its not about what might be dose related..its about what is..vaccines.
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 About those vaccines: The list of vaccine ingredients is made completely available for anyone in the package insert of each and every vaccine. Adverse events reported during clinical trials and post marketing data is also available along with lots of other completely available information about each vaccine. When in doubt, READ and LEARN. You keep writing this suspicion-driven hysterical nonsense that it's all "hidden". It clearly is not.
mapletrips 1 week ago
@mapletrips No it is not made completely available. Stop lying. Many have you go online. Tell me, in poorer communities where lies and propaganda are spread regarding vaccines (forced), how do these people find out? Why are third world nations ambushed by pharma and the Gates foundation..in Africa..at gunpoint? Then bill claims he had no knowledge of this and is horrified?You are on the wrong side.
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 "Why are third world nations ambushed by pharma and the Gates foundation..in Africa..at gunpoint?" Hahahaha. Credible source of that please? I see it on infowars site and naturalnews, and other anti-vax site.
Here, I'll save you from it. The source is Mike Langa Lulanga. Who is that? Well, he's an Evangelical anti-vaxer in Malawi. He sees armed guards protecting the facility where the vaccines are given to protect the doctors from nutbags, and he takes it as "forced vax"
tommy605 1 week ago 2
@tommy605 You saved yourself the embarassment..because that had nothing to do with what I was going to post. But thanks for tripping dude. You seem to know a lot of cover stories on things you claim to know nothing about..damage control lessons tommy boy? Why are bills in the US on the table for forced vaccines? Why do school districts try to deceive parents and say they are mandatory when they are not? Tommy boy..stop being a vax tard.
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 It's quite simple. See, when idiots refuse to get their kids vaccinated, they 1) endanger their kids lives. 2) endanger other kids lives who may come into contact with them when they inevitably get something contagious, 3) minimize the possibility off epidemic outbreaks. See, pretty simple. It's about health and prevention. It's obvious that some people aren't capable of making good decisions on their own, so some regulations are required. Like mandatory car insurance. Clear?
tommy605 1 week ago 2
@tommy605 Oh, so someone with a conscience or religious belief is now an idiot? Well lets make it even simpler..why are they carpet vax bombing the environment in Texas Tommy boy? Dropping Rabies vaccine (which at a time caused POLIO with the live virus found in it) into the wild? Are animals now the target of Pharma at the expense of the Govt then passed onto people paying their taxes? So you are ok with that? Idiot? The epidemic breakouts are shown to occur after vaxing
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 With a conscience, no. Religious belief, mostly, yep. I'd like to see the source on your polio claim, but the answer to why they're spreading the vaccines that way, well, since they started, they almost eliminated rabies.They've been doing this for sometime, and started when people were dying of it. Since 2000, there has only been 2 reported cases of rabies, and ZERO in humans since the program started. I'd say that's an excellent result. You can thank Canada for that method.
tommy605 1 week ago
@tommy605 Look up the results of the polio vaccine. Wait..you do not read or do that..so why would I bother to link it? You never read anything so why ask to see it? No one eliminated rabies or almost did. Tell me again why in any era, carpet bombs of vaccines are dumped on the population or wild? did you vote that In? Did any americans? Rabies is such an outbreak right? Where is rabies a pandemic to deserve dropping live virus in the wild Tommy?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 NO, I don’t read your citations when you post from whale, infowars or naturalnews. Post a real citation, and I’ll read it. And what does the polio vaccine have to do with what I posted? You said the rabies vaccine caused polio outbreaks. I wanted a source for that. As for the carpet bombing for the rabies, do you even have a clue of how it’s done? Yeah, I bet you don’t. You think they’re spraying it like a crop duster all over the city and forested areas don’t you?
tommy605 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 You afraid of chem trails too? See, they’re dropping little packets, like ketchup packets. People don’t go after those. Coyotes and foxes do, which is their target. Research and see what you will find. Facts.
The analogy was a good one. It was showing that sometimes laws (which if it’s on the table to be a law now, still means it’s NOT a law, thatnk you very much for admitting I was right) need to be made because some people don’t have common sense
tommy605 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Do you even know how a vaccine works? You keep talking about toxins, so let’s be specific. What toxins, and let’s just assume mercury, which we already know isn’t in most vaccines, and the one’s they’re in, the levels are too low to be harmful, but we’ll say that’s one. Name the toxins.
tommy605 5 days ago
@tommy605 good health and prevention involves strengthening the immune system..not shocking it wityh huge doses of toxins tommy boy. Before you post, have an adult without vax tard symptoms review it..then hit send..will save you the laughable replies from me. You are not going to decide for people..nor should anyone else..Where do you get oiff..little eugenics thinker..on telling people what to do to their children?? ITs a free society..supposedly. Please shut up.
mikenotnumberone1 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 "will save you the laughable replies from me" Yep. You said. Laughable replies.
And sure we are going to tell people what to do with their children. That's why there's seat belt laws for them, bicycle helmet laws, you can't leave them in a car while you go in for coffee, you can't buy them alcohol, and on and on. See, when dumbasses give their kids vitamin D thinking it's the cure or prevention of the flu, someone needs to step in. That is why there are laws and rules.
tommy605 1 week ago
@mikenotnumberone1 And for the record, I don't think vaccination is a law in most places. But it is something that is mandatory if you plan on sending your kid to public school, or camp, or some other place. I'll say it again. It's to keep your potentially disease riddled crotch trophies from infecting the rest of the kids who have parents who care for their kids enough to get them their shots. There's nothing you have posted that can't just be ignored as, to quote you, laughable.
tommy605 1 week ago
@tommy605 For the record it is on the table to be a law tommy. You do not get out much do you. Paid blogging got you at home permanently? To keep the what? Crotch trophies? You mean the death vaccine that got Rick Perry laughed at that even he changed his approach? The one that killed hundreds of kids and disabled thousands? Yes, you are laughable..so much that you claim I am, but keep replying? when are you going to take your shots live on webcam?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 "in 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out live avian flu viruses to 18 countries"---go right ahead and get that flu shot tommy boy! Make sure yours is from Baxter..and I wanna see your face smile as the vaccine is injected into your arm..go have it it..if you continue to deflect this..you're a pussy.
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 As even the Institute of Medicine has admitted, "MMR vaccines for use in humans actually cause measles because many of the vaccines contain live viral strains." ---Institute of Medicine A group that backs the Pharma groups. How intersting Tommy.
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 I get the flu shot sparky. As for the IOM, you should actually read the report, and NOT the naturalnews version of it. See, if you read the report, and accept what it says, then you accept that it does NOT support what you’re saying. Search for the report. Put this in google, or just go to the IOM site and search for it. It's a good read. Vaccine-report-brief-FINAL.pdf
tommy605 5 days ago
@tommy605 "We've also seen cases where police have been called and CPS workers threatened to take children away from parents who refused to vaccinate their children"
---naturalnews and infowars cases identified in many areas of the country. Why are children being snatched up for profit Tommy? do you have any answers or are you going to just give me coffee table talk and replies? Are you hanging with Bati in your bath robe?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has already conducted bizarre experiments on genetically engineered mosquitoes that carry vaccines to be silently injected into unsuspecting humans. And that same foundation has also invested heavily in covert vaccination technology that could, for example, vaccinate you with a spray mist used at airport security checkpoints"----right from the gates foundation research team Tommy...its all a conspiracy though right? No harm.
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1
Genetically engineered mosquitoes? Really? Really?
you fucking clown
Xerock 5 days ago
@Xerock Concerns Are Raised About Genetically Engineered Mosquitoes
By ANDREW POLLACK
Published: October 30, 2011 Researchers on Sunday reported initial signs of success from the first release... of mosquitoes engineered to pass a lethal gene to their offspring, killing them before they reach adulthood. ...could herald an age in which genetically modified insects will be used to help control agricultural pests and insect-borne diseases like dengue fever and malaria.
Xerock = owned.
invictus14 5 days ago
@invictus14
That's not the same as mosquitoes being turned into weapons of mass injection, you whack-job.
invictus14 = fucking deluded crackpot.
Xerock 5 days ago
@Xerock The New York Times article I quoted also says there are concerns that these mosquitoes could threaten public health, and that they might be ineffective in eradicating malaria because they can't compete with natural mosquitoes in mating.
They could also upset the ecological balance. It's not so much a weapon conspiracy as much as doctors sometimes being deluded crackpots themselves.
Xerock = double owned.
invictus14 5 days ago
@Xerock From the Daily Telegraph: Genetically modified mosquitos could be used to spread vaccine for malaria
A genetically engineered mosquito that vaccinates as it bites has been developed by scientists. (end quote)
Scientists want to deliver vaccines without the permission of the vaccinated. Xerock = triple owned.
invictus14 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Boy, I must have gotten under your skin on the last ones. Look at how many you posted. And the genetically engineered mosquitos comment? You either lied or just too lazy to look it up. What they’re doing is trying to make a mosquito that won’t carry and transfer malaria. It’s not a flying vaccine. It’s just resistent to malaria, keeping it from spreading and killing one person every 30 seconds.
tommy605 5 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 See, it's actually not a bad idea in theory. To save close to a million lives a year, have mosquitoes carry a vaccine. But since there is no vaccine for malaria, your story is FULL OF SHIT!
The Japanese have been looking at having mosquitoes carry a vaccine, but it's for Leishmania, not malaria.
I debated about replying to you because it's all to easy to refute everything you say.
Keep trying.
tommy605 5 days ago
@tommy605 You are screaming out in fail Tommy. It is on record of the mosquito experiments. And now they are out there in smoe areas and the best I get from you are deflections? Why do you keep making excuses tommy then get mad at me when the truth is linked and posted? You seem angry, did you not make commission on your volume posts?
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
@tommy605 I posted the info, now you are telling me what you think not what is. Youre failing Tommy. Like usual. Making this easy for me to laugh at. The experiments are on reocord and there is no way for you to cover it up. You need to go to another site, start over with another profile. Oh wait, you already do this.You have refuted ZERO. Making this a joy to watch you meltdown sending in bati's wife (rolling my eyes)
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Hahahaha. First, I never get mad. Second, you never posted links to your sources. Other than naturalnews, infowars, and whale. You don't have to take me seriously, sparky. I see you're looking for a dignified way out of this discussion, but the history in the thread will confirm who has said what and provided what.
I don't need help to refute you, or others like you. I have evidence on my side. You have Alex Jones and Jenny. I could win on that alone.
tommy605 4 days ago 2
LOL...you do not get mad or pretend to not get mad Tommy??Secondly..I have posted many links and was told "I will never read that crap." So again you are asking me for links? Tommy please stop. You're an idiot. I never take you seriously..and either do the thousands that wake up monthly to this nonsense. Stop making excuses Tommy. You have zero evidence on your side. Anyone can post links to pro vax nonsense. I do not get paid or do the people sharing the right kind of information.
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Nope. I don't get mad. I already told you, yes, I won't read that crap. I've read infowars, and naturalnews, and whale, and I know what's on there. I keep hoping you'll have a real source to cite. Like the ones I've posted. Like the AMA, AAP, Pubmed, and what was that one in yesterday's comment? Oh yeah, the IOM cite.But I never cite anything.
And yes, the thread. Have you been deleting your messages Sparky? Hide your lies and cover your footprints? The spam is your fault.
tommy605 4 days ago
@tommy605 Sure Tommy..as you cap your replies and point to: the AMA? Same people that gave us: coconut oil and oil oil is bad for you...smoking is good. Pregnant women should never vaccinate..now they should and eating fish is ok during pregnancy and disregard the mercury warnings (um..to promote vaccines with mercury are ok) Or the CDC that publicly admitted the swine flu fail and now says women should not breast feed to let vaccines do their thing..good one tommy.
mikenotnumberone1 3 days ago
@tommy605 Pull out the fortune's of fortune cookies and tell me what it says. I might take that as having more validity vs what you quote. Pubmed? Partners patting themselves on the back to just get published? Tell me, are we still using what was published on the invalid cancer fraud studies at Duke? um..yes they do! Why was it all not retracted? Oh Tommy, still thinks Christmas is Christ's real birthday...
mikenotnumberone1 3 days ago
@mikenotnumberone1 Absolutely. I'd rather listen to and read papers from people and organizations that admit when they're wrong and work on finding the right answer. Not the one who says "I'm right, your wrong and you can't disprove me. Nah nah nah nah nah naaaaaaaah."
By the way. I don't think Christ existed, so no, I don't think dec 25th is his birthday. You know, if that has anything to do with the discussion. Or is it strictly in favour of infowars conspiracies that only matter?
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@tommy605 so it was really hard to figure smoking is bad (ties to Amazon Dr's in smoking ads) and real food is healthy? Ok Tommy..is that your final answer? Lmao! So says the Guy who refuses to read anything. Tommy where did I say Info wars only. I posted a lot more. Vision..use it
mikenotnumberone1 3 days ago
@tommy605 The history of the thread? Where?? Most is deleted or spammed by the likes of you. I have posted this stuff over and over again. You have linked what exactly Tommy? When you start saying things like sparky, you might get yourself excited. Stay mello.
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
@tommy605 Boy, you must have been disappointed when you realized you had no answers and decided to scream for help and send in the other paid bloggers who are now talking to themselves. I did look it up which is why its posted. What have you done besides give your opinion only? You are not important Tommy so please do not waste my time with your agenda. Comparing vaccines to car insurance and seatbelts? Am I supposed to take you seriously after that?
mikenotnumberone1 4 days ago
@tommy605 Why are we experimenting with mosquitos to have them weaponized to carry vaccines Tommy? Its all there. Its on record..they have the reports showing this going on as research. Is this what you wanted?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 Why was Jonas Salk..the Polio cax creator conducting insane dr jekyll like experiments in his days? Thats on record to. No refuting it tommy. I thought these guys save lives..but the truth is they took many..and injured while greeding over it..they in fact loved what they were doing. You like this sort of thing? What about the admitted sick over the top testing done on Prisoners at GITMO? Thats admitted Tommy, no deflecting. Where are your answers Tommy?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
Why was Hilary fake crying over the known abuse to the prisoners? They knew it was going on..and no one tried to stop it? the poor in the earlier 1900's secretly injected with disease..and allowed to infect the ghettos? This is on record to Tommy. You like this sort of thing to? this is what youre defending. this is what the medical field claims is "Necessary" for the greater good. Please explain how that could be true. Again, are you going to explain this and take you vax's?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 -----I am laughing at what you claim to be as your "KNOWLEDGE" on such things. Youre a complete failure. I laugh daily when I see your replies feebly posted to try to..intimidate people? you are about as dumb as they come son. Get back to work. You are not getting paid for these blogs. You did a dis-service to your employers this time.
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 Yes, laughable...because sensible replies go to those that deserve them. Seat belts are not injected into children. Tommy, the analogies..they are horrible! where do you get your bullshit from? Wearing a seatbelt vs being injected with known toxins? Do you need a fart break?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 on and on and on..about alcohol, seat belts and helmets..and where is the relevance to taking a vaccine? IS this a Star wars thing? please fill all in on where the point of that drunken fail was? When someone gives their kids 9 live virus shots filled with chemicals on the danger list..someone needs to really step in..the CDC just recommended Women stop breast feeding to allow the vaccines to work better? tommy..please..save your soul.
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 so you believe mercury and aluminum is safer than Vitamin D? Tommy, do you eat food or manifest nutrition through your demi god?
mikenotnumberone1 5 days ago
@tommy605 if vaccines worked then the vaccinated would have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. The fact is that there is NO scientific data that proves the efficacy of vaccines. If anything the data shows that vaccines are harmful to our immune systems due to the addition of dangerous substances such as squalene and formaldehyde -- poisons, which cause toxicity. Studies have shown that vitamin D3 and a healthy well balanced organic diet are far more effective than vaccines.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
There are dozens of studies showing the efficacy of vaccines. I suggest you go to pubmed and do a search for "vaccine efficacy" and read the studies.
Only antivaxers hold the opinion that vaccines should have 100% efficacy. Sadly, this is not the case. There are many reasons why a vaccine may fail, improper storage and handling, not getting the boosters, etc..
And of course, there are those who legitimately can not get vaccinated due to medical reasons.
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StumpyOuch 5 days ago
@StumpyOuch In one of my previous posts I recommended Dr Robert Verkerk and Alliance for Natural Health's site for accurate and objective research and facts regarding vaccines. It can be found via google search.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
I'm familiar with that site. They're quacks. They work for vitamin supplement makers to lobby for the right to make super dose vitamins to be sold over the counter.
If you don't understand what's wrong with that scenario, check out all of the lawsuits against prescription medications like Accutane (which is simply a mega dose of vitamin A).
Apparently you don't understand the difference between a "study" and an article written for a website.
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
@StumpyOuch You couldn't be more wrong. Dr Robert Verkerk is an extremely intelligent and well educated guy. He campaigns for full and accurate information regarding health care to be made available to the general public; rather than the propaganda and pseudoscience currently propagated by the WHO and Pharmaceutical industry driven clinical trials system, which is guilty of profiteering and is corrupt to the very core.
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
Wow, what a wonderful example of appeal to authority.
Nope, he lobbies for vitamin companies to be able to sell megadose vitamins OTC.
He's also the one that created the "Alliance for Natural Health", so he's far from unbiased and objective.
I'll point out that Verkerk and your other cast of quacks have profited quite handsomely from their anti-vaccine works. But that's ok with you, right?
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
@StumpyOuch The mega dose you refer to is the standard amount vitamin required by the human body, which is around 1000 - 2000 IU. Totalitarian commissions, such as Codex Alimentarius, wish for the amount to be lowered to 200 IU so that the vitamin has little to no effect. The vitamin and food supplement markets profits are minuscule in comparison to those turned over by the multibillion dollar pharmaceutical industry, which is currently responsible for 788 000 deaths a year in the US
TheSymeister 5 days ago
@TheSymeister
megadose of what exactly? There's more than one vitamin, and the toxicity is not the same for all.
Supplement industry is a multi BILLION $ industry. And they don't even have to do what they claim as long as they slap that "this statement has not been evaluated by the fda" disclaimer on it.
Per employee, supplement makers make far more than Big Pharma".
StumpyOuch 5 days ago
@StumpyOuch If anyone has profited massively through falsified data and the biased use of clinical trials, which omit evidence over the efficacy of natural products, it's the pharmaceutical industries that are in the habit of keeping people sick rather than curing them and that I have a massive problem with.
TheSymeister 5 days ago