If pro-lifers are pro-life as far as their babies are concerned that's OK. They, however, have no rights to impose their view on others who are not. It would be like pro-choicers imposing abortion on them. They're trying to control the rights of another individual.Just get over it. It is now legal for a woman to have an abortion.A group of cells is not a person... that's like saying a seed is a plant.If abortion is murder masturbation is genocide.Better than a back alley abortion.
it's much easier to establish whether something is "pro-choice" than whether they are "pro-life." if they advocate for the right to abortion, then they're not "pro-life" in any meaningful sense of the term. "pro-life" at minimum means you oppose abortion. people try to say it has to include attitudes on war, the death penalty, euthanasia, etc. okay, it often does, but at minimum it refers to opposition to the intentional destruction of unborn humans.
@waltermh111 a fetus is always an unborn human since we are talking about pregnant humans here, not pregnant chimps. if you believe it's a fish, then you must reject science. ever studied evolution? it takes place over populations and millions of years, not in the lifetimes of individuals. a fish changing into a human is a magical metamorphosis.
@waltermh111 "born" is a definition we create. what's the difference between being inside the womb vs. outside? Is it cutting the umbilical cord that makes someone human? If we develop artificial wombs, will those offspring not be able to considered "born"? What about a C-section? If you say a fetus isn't human because it doesn't "look human" well tell me what a human looks like.
It's about prime time people actually read MLKs words & decided, do they want to celebrate MLK-day, or are they just doing so to avoid being called a racist?
My guess is 99% of Fox News-viewers would stop celebrating if they weren't afraid to be called racist.
@chirectomy considering abortion wasn't being practiced by PP until after King's death (and just a few years earlier they had decried the practice as the "killing of a baby") and considering even today "family planning" usually refers to contraception, I think it's a pretty big stretch to say that MLK was "pro-choice" based on even what PP wrote on their own page you cited.
@devourerofbabies the right to life does not depend upon another person "wanting" you. then again, not being wanted has always been a threat to the lives of those without power.
@devourerofbabies you and me are both clots of cells. how old are you? your brain was still developing into your 22nd year of life after birth.
biologically, we are human beings from the moment of our conception. you're talking about "person" which is a LEGAL term, not a medical one. Wal-Mart and Microsoft are persons, but you and I were not until after we were completely out of our mother's wombs.
@devourerofbabies incidentally, I'm not a Muslim. a fetus is not technically a "clot" unless you want to say that you and I and Barack Obama are "clots."
@XSC3 We, unlike blastocysts, zygotes, embryos, and early fetuses can survive outside the mother's womb and we can think. Those are the two criteria I think are important. I'll list them again, because I find you anti-choice types have trouble staying on topic.
@devourerofbabies that's your personal definition of a person, okay. but that's nothing to do with the law. The law does not recognize the presence of a functioning brain and being able to survive outside a mother's womb as criteria of personhood. Take corporations for example. They have no mothers and they lack functioning brains, yet they are people with rights and privileges. cows and dogs have functioning brains and survive outside the womb but are not persons.
@devourerofbabies "person" is a legal definition informed by a particular philosophy. I imagine you don't consider Wal-Mart a person, but under the law, Wal-Mart is a person. The same law that says a cat or a sheep is not a person, and a fetus is not a person, but you and I are persons, also says that McDonalds is a person. the latter has no brain, and no mother. so what does that do to your argument?
@devourerofbabies "human being" is based on biology. "person" is a legal definition based on philosophy. a corporation will never, EVER become a human being. it's impossible. yet it's legally a person. some might argue such a person has even more rights than a "natural" person like you and me.
@devourerofbabies this is simply a reverse of the old pagan Roman system of pater familias, in which the father was king of his household and decided if his children lived or died. I guess it's progress to say that a woman gets to kill her own baby instead of the father, but only by a hair (logically, the father was required to create the child in the first place, why shouldn't he have a say?). people pretend it's so civilized, but it's highly barbaric.
@devourerofbabies actually quite a few people are pro-abortion, judging by their arguments. anyone who says that children of rape or children who risk being poor or disadvantaged are better off aborted are advocating abortion, hence, pro-abortion. people who argue it for keeping the human population down, are arguing pro-abortion. people who oppose even reasonable restrictions like informed parental consent are being pro-abortion.
@inademv you're right, prolifers don't feel that mothers (or anyone) should have the choice to kill babies. all laws force somebody's opinion of what is right and wrong on somebody else. we are a nation of laws. you live in it, then you support forcing opinions on others. and the unborns who are aborted never got a choice in the matter, so that's where you're wrong.
@XSC3 Clots of cells are not babies. It's not a baby until it can live outside the mother's womb and has a functioning brain. Until then it's a clot of cells.
@devourerofbabies so we've moved from "clot of cells" to "person." This is progress, but you still need to show me that the laws are wrong (we agree), which say that a fetus is not a person, but a corporation is. the current legal definition of personhood as it stands has little to do with organ function or stage of physiological development, apparently.
@dEdGrimley King voted Republican when he was alive (and criticized both parties of his day). If one wants to say he wasn't "conservative" in the sense of the mainline of today's Republican party, that's fine. We could say the same of Ronald Reagan. So you can argue with Alevade on that point validly. but the "he was pro-choice" thing really annoys me. The evidence doesn't indicate anything of the kind.
@chirectomy Where in the speech do you see any reference to abortion, much less an endorsement for the practice? PP wasn't offering abortion services in 1966 when the speech was given. So where does the idea come from that MLK Jr. was "pro-choice"? "Family planning" is not synonymous with abortion so all this really proves is that King supported contraception access.
"family planning" is not synonymous with "abortion." For example the the Roman Catholic Church supports Natural Family Planning, but prohibits induced abortion for its members.
FROM Wikipedia on EUGENICS: Margaret Sanger not only attended, but actually spoke at a New Jersey meeting of the Ku Klux Klan auxiliary.[88]
There are direct links between progressive American eugenicists such as Margaret Sanger and Harry H. Laughlin and racial oppression in the US and in Europe.
Margaret Sanger was instrumental in the promotion of EUGENICS.
America has suffered three great sins of man that should be taught to every child that, by the grace of God, history may not repeat itself, they are: SLAVERY, EUGENICS, and THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST that has claimed the lives of 53 million of America's children.
Stop making a god of King. I love the guy, especially his righteousness, his eloquence, his bravery. I don't think that MLK is THE authority on abortion. He had bigger fish to fry.
So ridiculous TYT. You constantly criticize conservative news sources for not doing a lot of research before touting out political ideology opinions but you do the same thing?! This goes to show you really need to do your own research. I'm seriously considering unsubscribing over this...
1. Andrew Adler is the owner of Atlanta Jewish Times.
2. He proposed that the Israel's government should consider killing President Obama for not protecting Israel. The proposal was made in the Atlanta Jewish Times newspaper.
3. This is treason but he had apologized
4. He's a Jew
Refer :
Huffington Post dated January 21, 2012.
Titled : " Andrew Adler, 'Atlanta Jewish Times' Publisher, Apologizes For Obama Assassination Comments".
IF YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY, YOU DO NOT VALUE LIFE, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU EAT ANIMALS OR ANIMAL PRODUCTS, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU IGNORE POVERTY & DO NOT ASSIST THE POOR 24/7 LIKE JESUS, YOU DO NOT VALUE LIFE, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU SUPPORT ANY WARS THAT USA CREATES (ALL WARS KILLS MILLIONS OF INNOCENT BABIES, CHILDREN, MOTHERS & FATHERS), IF YOU ARE NOT A PACIFIST, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU SEND OUR CHILDREN TO WARS OR DO NOT HELP THE NEEDY 24/7, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE
i agree with the end , when someone makes a choice then regrets it, they try to kind of control other people. it's like if someone gets a tatoo when their younger then get old and wont let their kids get a tattoo because they regretted it. pretty unfair :P . and i kind of dont believe MLK's "niece".
Alveda King had two abortions and attempted to get a third one. When she became pregnant, she says her doctor, without the family's knowledge, gave her an abortion.[15] She was divorced soon after that. When she was pregnant in 1973, she went to Planned Parenthood and got a second abortion.[16] Later, she wanted to get a third abortion, but neither the father nor her grandfather would pay for it.[17]
I would also like to know about Planned Parenthoods "The Negro Project" and Margaret Sangers view on eugenics. Seems to be a lot of bias on websites and mixed information. What's the truth?
If anybody does just a little research you would find MLKjr was against abortion, but pro birth control. Planed Parenthood at the time was not for abortions. TYT you seriously fucked up on this one. Personally I'm for pro-choice, but get your facts straight TYT.... fail...
"You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you...are messing with captains of industry…because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism…There must be a better distribution of wealth..America must move toward a Democratic Socialism." --MLK
Again the young turks have become the liberal fox news distorting the truth, Martin Luther King Jr was a pastor and strictly against abortion, this is a fact, planned parenthood was not in favor of abortion at the time, I used to trust the young turks now they are crap.
@guanaesantonio - Martin Luther King won an award from Margaret Sanger. TYT also posted MLK's stance on abortion. He gave a speech in favor of Planned Parenthood's efforts.
MLK is right on most issues, but his racist comment that blacks only have too many kids because of poverty and that they plan better than whites of equal social status was disturbing and false. The white race is becoming extinct in America compared to the black community according to censuses. Sorry MLK, but epic fail on that charge.
@Chilltown95 Look at any census for new births by race. One census I just looked up says white births declined by 6% since 2000 and for blacks it was 2.3% decline. That's almost a 4% difference by blacks which proves my point. MLK was talking about birth rates, not total population. By 2050, blacks will beat out whites altogether on every scale. It helps to use some comprehension when you read people's comments.
@Chilltown95 It depends on what happens in our country. By the probability studies, yes. But if welfare and other social programs are gutted, I think the numbers will need to be readjusted. I'm very concerned about another war. Iran is looking to be next on the empire building plate as Obama is forcing it with sanctions. I hope you don't offense to anything, I'm not trying to be a jerk.
@shadowedge69 Me neither haha. It's good to have discussions and where better to have it ? Besides your obviously intelligent so even if we don't agree I still respect you for being aware.
MLK jr. Many times contradicted himself. He also said he believed in assimilation. But he also said he feared assimilation because if Blacks did so, Black stores and businesses would shut down and their economic power would decrease. And that cunt, margaret sanger was a fucking racist! So of course she would agree with that bullshit!
So cenk? what about his views on homosexuality? If you think it's acceptable for people to only look at the negatives of ben franklin then others can do the same to MLK. That is unless you're a complete fucking hypocrite? Which ofc you are.
With all due respect to Alveda King and The Young Turks, this "debate" is somewhat ridiculous. How can any of us really know the contemporary perspective of a person who has been dead for more than 40 yrs? MLK's political perspective was based on his age and experience from his era. How can we intelligently speculate as what he would feel today had he lived. We can't. Too many of us use his great name to justify our own political and cultural agendas.
If someone proposed re-segregating the schools and I invoked MLK in opposing it, would you call that ridiculous? MLK had very clear positions on issues we struggle with today, and made it very clear that he wanted his work to be continued by others after he died.
@00maharum00ma I would agree with you if they were proposing the re-segregation of schools, however they are talking about pro-life vs. pro-choice and a Republican Congressman was saying how he thinks MLK would not support the Occupy Wallstreet Movement. What I'm suggesting is how could any of us really know. It's almost like speculating as to how MLK would react to internet piracy. These issues didn't exist in his day. Since we think so highly of MLK , we all like to think that he'd be with us.
@amolapaz1 You're right. But TYT are forced to represent the truth here because the liars are ever busy turning history on its head and making shit up.
Abortion was a major issue in the 1960s also so there's a good deal of overlap with today's social issues. The only difference being that the Supreme Court allowed states to criminalize it at the time. King was apparently in favor of birth control, but opposed to abortion and did not attend the acceptance speech of the award presented by the Margaret Sanger society. King's wife, Coretta, accepted the award.
Life began about 2 billion years ago. It is just a continuum. There is no "beginning" of life in individual humans. Life just goes on and on and on for billions of years.
@ManNorthern Quit rambling that George Carlin nonsense. Do you automatically believe every single thing he says without putting your own thought into what he's saying?
To contradict your argument, or should I say Carlin's argument, it's ridiculous to say there's no beginning to individual human life. It obviously begins somewhere. Individual humans aren't just randomy created. Individual life begins when the sperm and ovum are fertilized. That's science talking, you can't argue with that.
@dfbhcf Most fertilized eggs die. So all those 'individuals' you are talking about die.
You are living in an illusion if you think that there is a point where 'individuality' occurs. This is the ignorance of Western philosophy and religion. There is no individual. There is just life and the universe, and it is all wondrous and sacred.
@ManNorthern Yes, most eggs fertilized after sex do die. But the death of those eggs are inevitable and unintentional through things like menstration. and Ignorance of religion? When did I say anything related to religion? All I've been stating is my own argument based on biological science. What's ignorant is to say there are no individuals in the world. Then what are you and I? We're not seperate human beings?
@dfbhcf --- No, there are no individuals. There are only force fields at the basis of existence, and those fundamental forces are all aspects of one unified field, according to physics. The individuation is an illusion based on the brain and how humans make the mistake that each is a separate entity. It is useful illusion, but still only an illusion. It is not the reality. All the vast and ancient Eastern philosophies are built on this obvious fact.
@ManNorthern Ok, but it doesn't really make sense to me how you can say one person and another person aren't seperate and distinct human beings, because that's what individual means; seperate and distinct.
@dfbhcf Both are true. Individuality is true. Unity is true. In an un-enlightened state we inflate the importance of the individual, and so fear, distrust, and anger can arise. In the enlightened state of consciousness, the individuality is of lesser importance in the mind. The unity becomes predominant, and empathy, love, and peace arise. In the fully awakened state of the brain, there is an overwhelming sense of the unity of all beings and the whole universe. This is the future of humankind.
@dfbhcf -- Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation most efficiently provides this type of brain functioning, where the unity of life pre-dominates consciousness, and the brain can evolve to its full potential naturally.
Oh please.. i lean pro-choice but the "don't eat meat if you're truly pro-life" nonsense is just stupid. Life feeds on life -- that's nature since the dawn of life on Earth -- it is equally natural to both hunt (meat) and cultivate (plants). Did you know that PLANTS are LIVING things too!!!
My sister bought into the PETA guilt trip and after a year of going vegan, she looks like a pale twig compared to what she was. She is also anemic and has have a doctor to monitor her RBC count.
Who the hell knows... she doesn't look healthy but she gives her self-righteous lectures whenever she gets the chance. Her worldview has been warped by a bunch of pansy-ass Utopian stoners.
And BTW, an anemic condition is caused more so by iron deficiency than B12. Just because my sister is a gullible follower doesn't mean i'm stupid!!
@bobshenix@bobshenix Fine. I have no problem with people killing and eating animals. It is the hypocrites who are squeamish about killing an animal themselves that bug me. They get someone else (usually a very low paid slave) to do their dirty work.
Also factory farming of animals that I am against.
I have many friends who are hunters, and I have no problem with that. I choose to be vegetarian because I don't need to eat meat to be healthy and strong.
Ironically REPUBLICANS, before the 70's were PRO CHOICE - they didn't want poor people knocking out kids - boy is American politics fucked... 'twist his words and make him something he wasn't' said Anna - hmmm isn't that right wing Christianity in a nut shell?
Wow... is not that what you folks did with the supposed "racist" Ron Paul news letters, written by some other person that Ron Paul???????? Just asking for some self-consciousness here and consistency. Think about... turn the finger toward yourself and ask the same questions. It happens all the time... own it and change!
@illuminate1970 Yeah, except Ron Paul put his own name on that "news letter" and MADE MONEY off that news letter. And, these racist statements went on and on for years, they weren't just an isolated incident that escaped his masterful view. Game set and match, you put your name on it, you OWN IT!
@projeckt2501 With all due respect, that is a non-sequitur to my analogy. If you can address the analogy head on, you will show more intelligence than trying to spin it with something else. Thanks.
@illuminate1970 Excuse me, sir, my statement is congruous with your question. In this video we see a woman ascribing beliefs to someone who was clearly opposed them. My argument is important at this point, because it shows that the answer to your question is, no. This is not what TYT did with racist Ron Paul news letters, because Dr. King never put his name on an anti-choice news letter that he made money from. However, Ron Paul did put his name on racist news letters & made money from them.
In 1966 when MLK won the Margaret Sanger award, Planned Parenthood was opposed to abortion and distributed anti-abortion literature. Could MLK have been pro-contraception and not necessarily pro-choice?
@SkamGame That's one of the stuidest, most ignorant comments I've ever read. It's not a child if it's not born? Where's the logic in that? If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? Nothing? So while it's in the womb it's nothing, but when it comes out of the vagina it magically becomes a person?
Also, what do you mean it wouldn't have a life on itself upto 8 weeks? I'm pretty sure it has life at the moment of conception.
@SkamGame Just because it's fully dependant on the mother doesn't mean it's not its own individual living human being.
and plus... it was also her choice to have sex irresponisbly. She had the chance then to act responsibly if she knew she wouldn't be prepared to raise the baby if she became pregnant.
Who's the mother to decide the fate of another living human being? Living in a free country doesn't give you the freedom to murder.
Have you never had any basic biology in your whole life?
once again ITS NOT A LIVING HUMAN BEING UNTIL ITS BORN
you are very ignorant and narrow minded for taking away a woman's choice
as I said:the mother will take care of it.. not you me or the government so it's her choice, unless you want to raise a few million kids, if not, then let the mothers choose
@SkamGame First of all, a woman being raped still doesn't give her the right to have the innocent living child killed.
Second of all, you still didn't answer my question: If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? Responding with the same comment in capital letters doesn't count as an answer.
YOU are very ignorant and narrow minded for taking away a child's right to live.
@dfbhcf "If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it?" It's a clump of cells called a zygote. A zygote with no memories, thoughts, feelings, opinions, or insights.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 First of all, a zygote is still an individual living human being, and it has developed beyond just "a clump of cells" into a fetus by the time the abortion is performed.
Second of all, many mentally challenged people don't have thoughts, memories nor opinions either. Does that makes them non-living human beings as well?
@dfbhcf I take great offense at that comment. My sister is severely autistic, but she's a human being like everyone else. She clearly has thoughts feelings and memories. You are extremely ignorant when it comes to children with special needs. You have no idea what life is like for people who have family members with a mental disability. But maybe you will, since the numbers are steadily growing and you are more likely to have a mentally handicapped child or relative in the future.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 I never said mentally challenged people like your sister aren't human beings. I'm saying that many (not all) living mentally challenged people don't have memory or the ability to think, but that doesn't mean they're not human beings. And the same thing can be said for fetuses. I may not know what life is like for people who have family members with a mental disability to the same extent that you, but what does that have to do with anything?
@dfbhcf As I've said before, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say. Metally challenged people DO have the ability to think. They have troube with communication skills and the ability to express themselves. That doesn't mean they don't have the ability to think. And the same thing cannot be said for fetuses. Your assumptions are incredibly offensive. There are so many REAL human issues out there, it's amazing how much time people like you spend on defending clumps of cells and hating women.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 And as I said before, I never said ALL mentally challenged people don't have the ability to think. I'm talking about the severly mentally challenged people who don't have the ability to think. My argument may be offensive to you, but that doesn't make it untrue. And you're right, there are many real human issues out there, like the issue of abortion where a living HUMAN being is unjustly killed. A fetus isnt just a clump of cells. And I don't hate woman, I hate legal murder.
@dfbhcf There is no such thing as mentally challenged people that "don't have the ability to think", that is just extremely ignorant and idiotic for you to say. When you see a person with down syndrome, are you just that stupid enough to think they are walking mumbling vegetables? At least KNOW this: Mentally challenged people are just as human as you. They may have trouble organizing and communicating their thoughts, but they have memories and feelings.
@dfbhcf If you're so concerned why don't you stop masterbating and start impregnating women with each and every sperm in your body? To not do that would just be murder, right? And I should stop menstrating and start having unprotected sex so I can stop murdering my poor eggs, right? Why don't you adopt every single embreyo in the world if you care so much? Take posession of every uterus! Face it, you're just an ignorant misogynistic hack with a computer.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 No, masturbating is not murder because it doesn't kill a human being, it kills a sperm. Eggs are not human beings either because they have not been fertilized with a sperm cell yet. I'm not ignorant, I'm actually very well informed and educated on both sides of the issue. And I'm definitely not misogynistic. Other than supporting an innocent living fetus' right to life (which is not misogynistic), what's one thing I've said that's hateful to women? Face it, YOU are ignorant.
@dfbhcf Those are some REAL issues. Instead of wasting your time on being a mysognonist and defending the unborn, maybe we should take time on thinking about REAL people. Not only on mentally handicapped individuals, I mean REAL children that are starving and being prostituded at the age of 5. No one seems to give a shit about them, and I think that is really sad.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 Honestly, what is so mysogynistic about defending the right to life of unborn living children who can't defend it for themselves? If you are going to disagree with my opinion, fine, but don't try to demonize Pro-Life people by saying they're mysogynist, supporting life doesn't mean you hate women. I care about alot of other issues than abortion as well, so don't try to make it seem like I only care about the abortion issue and not the other problems in the world, cause I do.
@SkamGame I do get what you're saying, but what you're saying is scientifically false.
Like I stated before, it becomes a human being at the moment of conception. From then on, it developes through the different stages of life, from a fetus, to an infant, to a toddler, etc. Through all those stages, including while in the womb, it is a human being. If it wasn't a human being at conception, it would never become one.
I DO give a shit about living humans, hence me being Pro-Life.
@SkamGame You can't always identify whether the child is a girl or a boy during that early stage of pregnancy, but that doesn't mean the child is an "unidentified creature". The embryo or fetus being visible inside the womb proves its individual identity.
@dfbhcf "the right to have the innocent living child killed."…“ If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? “ It’s not called a child but a Zygote first, then a fetus. After some time there’s enough cells to gain consciousness, then you could call it a child (but these are not aborted anyway).
“taking away a child's right to live”
Masturbation and abstinence also mean a child will never be born. Should we ban masturbation and abstinence?
@dfbhcf Do you have any idea what comes with pregnancy? Swollen feet, aching back, hemorrhoids, not just childbirth but the trauma of tearing? Do you think you are in any position to judge? Try looking at real facts instead of blurting out garbage from a two thousand year old book that has been interpreted and translated thousands of times by thousands of different people and in hundreds of different languages.
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 When it comes to murdering an innocent living child, who's not in the position to judge the person who wants to do that?
"blurting out garbage from a two thousand year old book"?
When in my argument did I say anything relating to religion? Perhaps YOU should try looking at real facts instead of making false, ignorant and prejudiced accusations of me having my arguments based on religion.
@dfbhcf - "When it comes to murdering an innocent living child"
It's not a child, it's a clump of cells. It's not a child until it can live independently from the uterus. It's the mother's body so it's her choice. She doesn't have to keep it in her body and no one has the right to force her to do so.
@dfbhcf Almost everyone who is pro misogyny is religious. I thought you were the same. If you consider a clump of cells that doesn't even have a brain or lungs yet a child, it shows how lowly you value human life.
i don't get it. SO WHAT if MLK was opposed to abortion? Hitler wanted health care does that make it wrong? I support ideas regardless of other opinions on it
I've seen this woman in person when I was in college. She's a joke. She's using her uncle's fame to further her own backwards mentality. Hell, I went to her forum as part of a Civil Liberties class, and during the next class period the professor apologized to everyone that went. She's hyper-religious and sadly uneducated. She even seemed to be proud of the uneducated part, too. I would sooner listen to a crazy guy with a tin foil hat than her. They both seem to be equally grounded in reality.
I imagine that there are only a FEW women out there who actually DONT regret getting an abortion. My mother herself got an abortion when i was younger because we coulnd't take care of the child at the time. She regrets it to this day and makes it clear. We couldn't take care of an extra person when we ourselves were barely eating enough to live. At that time abortion was ILLEGAL in Albania. She got sick cause of lack of funding. Abortion should remain legal under all circumstances.
@Xeginy frankly I don't give a rat shit about politicians as ALL of them are full of it. I was just saying about general thing - having an abortion makes people to realize (in many cases), that it wasn't exactly extraction of tooth like many "pro-choice" ( I would say pro-kill-your-own-kid as it is what it is - why that political correctness and hypocrisy? Name it right) people tells. I know two girls that did it - somehow it isn't all that easy after. Sometimes there is no choice though.
@CraigMetalHead Similar - I wouldn't have to get abortion (technically hard thing for a guy but hypothetically speaking...) to know we shouldn't rip apart bodies of our little children and fool ourselves into thinking that this isn't child YET.
I think you got great point in that particular case - 2 abortions.. I was talking in general though - it is very easy for me to understand people that are against abortion after they had one. I know 2 girls that did it.
@tlilmiztli Hmm, no. All you have shown there is that you fail to understand the biological process of development in the womb.
When you eat eggs... are you eating chicken? If you found a baby chick in your egg would you slap it in the frying pan as if it were just a normal egg about to be fried? The answer to both of these questions is obviously, no.
@CraigMetalHead I dont know where you are going with this nonsense man. Egg is egg, fetus is fetus. Go to google and write "abortion baby" then hit for pictures. Dont care what anyone will try to say - those are in many cases mutilated bodies of small babies. I can understand if it was "mother or baby" kind of a choice. Otherwise this is simply atrocity painting nicely by politicians. How the fuck people can do that is beyond me.
@CraigMetalHead Abortion isn't extraction of an ovum from body. Why you keep on pointing to the egg itself. Whatever man - have a nice life. Thats it from me. Try to find a difference between ovum and fetus as a homework. Good luck!
@tlilmiztli Erm, you might want to learn more about the food you consume. The eggs you eat were perfectly able to become chickens, the only thing stopping them was human intervention for profit and sustenance.
@CraigMetalHead I have no idea why you are still going into it. Human intervention? Dude, even if parthenogenesis VERY RARELY occurs, the reason why egg didn't become chicken is because there is no rooster to fertilize it. Were not talking about freaking eggs? Egg is one thing, fetus is other. Unfertilized egg will not become a chicken or human. And for crying out loud - this isn't about chickens. But even if it was - youre wrong AGAIN. Leave it man.
@tlilmiztli So wait, you have never had eggs that werent from a battery farm? Sorry, I was coming from a stand point were you were a decent human being. My mistake.
If you buy from a farmers market, a local farm or even have your own chickens then the eggs have been fertalized and many people eat said eggs that are still eggs.
@CraigMetalHead I live in such small town that eggs I buy can be still hot from hens ass. If you have bunch of hens to produce eggs EVEN IF you let them be with rooster there is simply too many of them to get frertilized by him. But lets keep it on subject - do you fucking see difference between human and chicken? Can you spot difference between mammal and bird? Did you saw little babies ripped apart? Theyre no freaking aggs. You dont even have balls to google it... I am off that disscussion.
@Futurist2029 Thx for correcting - easier to remember as English is 3rd language I am communicating in ;) As you surely can see I am not saying nothing about what people should do with their bodies or not. Only commenting on one thing Ana mentioned. Subject is too deep to get deep into it in youtube comments - no matter which side you choose to support.
TYT completely misinterprets MLK's quote and takes it out of context for their Pro-Choice agenda. Just because King said a child who is not wanted is tragic and a curse for the parent doesn't mean he's Pro-Choice. If he was "clearly Pro-Choice" as Cenk claimed, he would have said he is or he supports a woman's right to have an abortion. THAT would be clear evidence of MLK's Pro-Choice stance. If TYT can find a quote like that that clearly confirms his Pro-Choice stance, then I'll believe it.
To be fair, much of King's remaining family are scumbags as it is. They have been profiting off of his fame since the day he died. An example being that they have copyrighted his "I have a dream" speech and attached a $10 fee to it instead of allowing it to be public domain. Of course the internet has pretty much done away with that, but it lets you know just what kind of people they are.
Yes, MLK was most certainly a right-wing censervative, thats why he talked about a class war, stronger union power over owners and mental freedom over material wealth... Classic conservative.
religion makes people painfully ignorant. If you look at it from a scientific point of view abortion isnt wrong at all because the fetus does not have a developed nervous system and is not conscious whatsoever, therefore it does not suffer at all when aborted. And if someone argues that you are depriving that fetus a chance at life then I would say you are preventing a life everytime you do not jump at the opportunity to have unprotected sex.
@ismokedaily420 I'm pro-life, and it has nothing to do with my religion. Almost all pro-lifers say the same thing. If you look at it from a scientific standpoint, scientists agree that the process of life begins at conception. The fetus is the beggining of life because life is being developed. Your argument on unprotected sex is stupid because the process of life never began. With a fetus, it already has.
@DP3mo24hofosho scientists do agree that is the process of life, but no biologist believes that the fetusis a human being. They are at different states
sorry u guys r way more left than fox is right!
jackychanboompow 1 week ago
@jackychanboompow Bullshit.
SirDanOfHell 3 days ago
stop being negative about fox news! u guys r way more right than they are left!
jackychanboompow 1 week ago
If you think abortion is good, watch the video on Youtube, Aborto real por solución salina
timetomakeauturn 2 weeks ago
Alveda king is nothing more than a big Hypocrite and I don't care that she is related to Martin Luther King. That doesn't make her ROYALTY OR RIGHT!
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If pro-lifers are pro-life as far as their babies are concerned that's OK. They, however, have no rights to impose their view on others who are not. It would be like pro-choicers imposing abortion on them. They're trying to control the rights of another individual.Just get over it. It is now legal for a woman to have an abortion.A group of cells is not a person... that's like saying a seed is a plant.If abortion is murder masturbation is genocide.Better than a back alley abortion.
afrikanballa 2 weeks ago
Why do people dislike this? People who hate Faux being called out for their lies when they're supposed to be NEWS?
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it's much easier to establish whether something is "pro-choice" than whether they are "pro-life." if they advocate for the right to abortion, then they're not "pro-life" in any meaningful sense of the term. "pro-life" at minimum means you oppose abortion. people try to say it has to include attitudes on war, the death penalty, euthanasia, etc. okay, it often does, but at minimum it refers to opposition to the intentional destruction of unborn humans.
XSC3 1 month ago
@XSC3 except where a fetus isnt an unborn human. Its moreso a fish.
Not that the discussion is even that simple and I would say that putting the already born life first is pro-life.
waltermh111 1 month ago
@waltermh111 a fetus is always an unborn human since we are talking about pregnant humans here, not pregnant chimps. if you believe it's a fish, then you must reject science. ever studied evolution? it takes place over populations and millions of years, not in the lifetimes of individuals. a fish changing into a human is a magical metamorphosis.
XSC3 3 weeks ago
@waltermh111 "born" is a definition we create. what's the difference between being inside the womb vs. outside? Is it cutting the umbilical cord that makes someone human? If we develop artificial wombs, will those offspring not be able to considered "born"? What about a C-section? If you say a fetus isn't human because it doesn't "look human" well tell me what a human looks like.
XSC3 3 weeks ago
It's about prime time people actually read MLKs words & decided, do they want to celebrate MLK-day, or are they just doing so to avoid being called a racist?
My guess is 99% of Fox News-viewers would stop celebrating if they weren't afraid to be called racist.
MyTemporaryAccount88 1 month ago
@MyTemporaryAccount88 my guess is that everyone in the world but me is secretly a bigot. ;)
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@AcresofAnarchy >a woman delivering a baby in the woods would be expected to use her body to feed that newborn.
Expected to by whom?
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@chirectomy considering abortion wasn't being practiced by PP until after King's death (and just a few years earlier they had decried the practice as the "killing of a baby") and considering even today "family planning" usually refers to contraception, I think it's a pretty big stretch to say that MLK was "pro-choice" based on even what PP wrote on their own page you cited.
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@devourerofbabies the right to life does not depend upon another person "wanting" you. then again, not being wanted has always been a threat to the lives of those without power.
XSC3 1 month ago
@XSC3 The "right to life" is for extant human beings. Not for clots of cells that may perhaps turn into a human being someday.
devourerofbabies 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies you and me are both clots of cells. how old are you? your brain was still developing into your 22nd year of life after birth.
biologically, we are human beings from the moment of our conception. you're talking about "person" which is a LEGAL term, not a medical one. Wal-Mart and Microsoft are persons, but you and I were not until after we were completely out of our mother's wombs.
XSC3 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies incidentally, I'm not a Muslim. a fetus is not technically a "clot" unless you want to say that you and I and Barack Obama are "clots."
XSC3 1 month ago
@XSC3 We, unlike blastocysts, zygotes, embryos, and early fetuses can survive outside the mother's womb and we can think. Those are the two criteria I think are important. I'll list them again, because I find you anti-choice types have trouble staying on topic.
You're not a PERSON until you can:
1) Survive unaided outside the mother's womb
2) Have a functioning brain.
devourerofbabies 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies that's your personal definition of a person, okay. but that's nothing to do with the law. The law does not recognize the presence of a functioning brain and being able to survive outside a mother's womb as criteria of personhood. Take corporations for example. They have no mothers and they lack functioning brains, yet they are people with rights and privileges. cows and dogs have functioning brains and survive outside the womb but are not persons.
XSC3 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies "person" is a legal definition informed by a particular philosophy. I imagine you don't consider Wal-Mart a person, but under the law, Wal-Mart is a person. The same law that says a cat or a sheep is not a person, and a fetus is not a person, but you and I are persons, also says that McDonalds is a person. the latter has no brain, and no mother. so what does that do to your argument?
XSC3 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies "human being" is based on biology. "person" is a legal definition based on philosophy. a corporation will never, EVER become a human being. it's impossible. yet it's legally a person. some might argue such a person has even more rights than a "natural" person like you and me.
XSC3 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies this is simply a reverse of the old pagan Roman system of pater familias, in which the father was king of his household and decided if his children lived or died. I guess it's progress to say that a woman gets to kill her own baby instead of the father, but only by a hair (logically, the father was required to create the child in the first place, why shouldn't he have a say?). people pretend it's so civilized, but it's highly barbaric.
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@devourerofbabies actually quite a few people are pro-abortion, judging by their arguments. anyone who says that children of rape or children who risk being poor or disadvantaged are better off aborted are advocating abortion, hence, pro-abortion. people who argue it for keeping the human population down, are arguing pro-abortion. people who oppose even reasonable restrictions like informed parental consent are being pro-abortion.
nice name, btw.
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@inademv you're right, prolifers don't feel that mothers (or anyone) should have the choice to kill babies. all laws force somebody's opinion of what is right and wrong on somebody else. we are a nation of laws. you live in it, then you support forcing opinions on others. and the unborns who are aborted never got a choice in the matter, so that's where you're wrong.
XSC3 1 month ago
@XSC3 Clots of cells are not babies. It's not a baby until it can live outside the mother's womb and has a functioning brain. Until then it's a clot of cells.
devourerofbabies 1 month ago
@devourerofbabies so we've moved from "clot of cells" to "person." This is progress, but you still need to show me that the laws are wrong (we agree), which say that a fetus is not a person, but a corporation is. the current legal definition of personhood as it stands has little to do with organ function or stage of physiological development, apparently.
XSC3 1 month ago
@dEdGrimley King voted Republican when he was alive (and criticized both parties of his day). If one wants to say he wasn't "conservative" in the sense of the mainline of today's Republican party, that's fine. We could say the same of Ronald Reagan. So you can argue with Alevade on that point validly. but the "he was pro-choice" thing really annoys me. The evidence doesn't indicate anything of the kind.
XSC3 1 month ago
@chirectomy Where in the speech do you see any reference to abortion, much less an endorsement for the practice? PP wasn't offering abortion services in 1966 when the speech was given. So where does the idea come from that MLK Jr. was "pro-choice"? "Family planning" is not synonymous with abortion so all this really proves is that King supported contraception access.
XSC3 1 month ago
"family planning" is not synonymous with "abortion." For example the the Roman Catholic Church supports Natural Family Planning, but prohibits induced abortion for its members.
XSC3 1 month ago
FROM Wikipedia on EUGENICS: Margaret Sanger not only attended, but actually spoke at a New Jersey meeting of the Ku Klux Klan auxiliary.[88]
There are direct links between progressive American eugenicists such as Margaret Sanger and Harry H. Laughlin and racial oppression in the US and in Europe.
LOOK IT UP - AND START TELLING THE TRUTH!
AmericanTruthTV 1 month ago
Margaret Sanger was instrumental in the promotion of EUGENICS.
America has suffered three great sins of man that should be taught to every child that, by the grace of God, history may not repeat itself, they are: SLAVERY, EUGENICS, and THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST that has claimed the lives of 53 million of America's children.
53 million . . .
AmericanTruthTV 1 month ago
Over 53 Million of YOUR children, our brothers and sisters, have been slaughtered in the American Holocaust. Murdered by the hands of man.
Children denied thier God-given RIGHT TO LIFE.
Who has the right to choose whether one lives or dies, but God alone?
Men claimed the right to slavery - they had it not. Women claim the right to kill children - they do not.
May the Cries of these children fill your hearts, and may thier blood be on your head.
As for me, I will DEFEND LIFE.
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Stretch much? Good lord.
amaru250 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Wow. I didn't think blacks were allowed on Fox News.
whoiscarlito 1 month ago 10
@whoiscarlito only ones that agree with what they say of course
LordHypnos4 1 month ago
Stop making a god of King. I love the guy, especially his righteousness, his eloquence, his bravery. I don't think that MLK is THE authority on abortion. He had bigger fish to fry.
PeeteyP 1 month ago
So ridiculous TYT. You constantly criticize conservative news sources for not doing a lot of research before touting out political ideology opinions but you do the same thing?! This goes to show you really need to do your own research. I'm seriously considering unsubscribing over this...
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Jew = War + Economic destruction
Stevie68000 1 month ago
God fawx news is at it again
DaddyFatSzack 1 month ago
I'm 99% sure Cenk and Ana are in love. See 1:59.
NuclearThermos 1 month ago
Both stretched his words.
UnexpectedWonder 1 month ago
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Jew & Obama's assasination :
1. Andrew Adler is the owner of Atlanta Jewish Times.
2. He proposed that the Israel's government should consider killing President Obama for not protecting Israel. The proposal was made in the Atlanta Jewish Times newspaper.
3. This is treason but he had apologized
4. He's a Jew
Refer :
Huffington Post dated January 21, 2012.
Titled : " Andrew Adler, 'Atlanta Jewish Times' Publisher, Apologizes For Obama Assassination Comments".
Stevie68000 1 month ago
How dare they try to taint the King's name. Fox news can rot.
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IF YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY, YOU DO NOT VALUE LIFE, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU EAT ANIMALS OR ANIMAL PRODUCTS, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU IGNORE POVERTY & DO NOT ASSIST THE POOR 24/7 LIKE JESUS, YOU DO NOT VALUE LIFE, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU SUPPORT ANY WARS THAT USA CREATES (ALL WARS KILLS MILLIONS OF INNOCENT BABIES, CHILDREN, MOTHERS & FATHERS), IF YOU ARE NOT A PACIFIST, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE.
IF YOU SEND OUR CHILDREN TO WARS OR DO NOT HELP THE NEEDY 24/7, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE
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i agree with the end , when someone makes a choice then regrets it, they try to kind of control other people. it's like if someone gets a tatoo when their younger then get old and wont let their kids get a tattoo because they regretted it. pretty unfair :P . and i kind of dont believe MLK's "niece".
PencilOverPen 1 month ago
Wrong on MLK Young Turks I'll expect an apology soon...
jaroncreed 1 month ago
Fuck Dr. King's niece!
datniggami6 1 month ago
Megyn Kelly ass was lookin good as fuck the other day in that white tight ass dress....Oh yea...FUCK FoxNews!
datniggami6 1 month ago
I thought you couldn't call them negros now.
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Alveda King had two abortions and attempted to get a third one. When she became pregnant, she says her doctor, without the family's knowledge, gave her an abortion.[15] She was divorced soon after that. When she was pregnant in 1973, she went to Planned Parenthood and got a second abortion.[16] Later, she wanted to get a third abortion, but neither the father nor her grandfather would pay for it.[17]
dbg567 1 month ago
Couple years from no they'll say MLK was a hawk who supported the Vietnam war.
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I would also like to know about Planned Parenthoods "The Negro Project" and Margaret Sangers view on eugenics. Seems to be a lot of bias on websites and mixed information. What's the truth?
videowithmeaning 1 month ago
If anybody does just a little research you would find MLKjr was against abortion, but pro birth control. Planed Parenthood at the time was not for abortions. TYT you seriously fucked up on this one. Personally I'm for pro-choice, but get your facts straight TYT.... fail...
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@ChameleonLost88 You have no citations or proof of your statement. You = Fail
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"You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you...are messing with captains of industry…because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism…There must be a better distribution of wealth..America must move toward a Democratic Socialism." --MLK
A86 1 month ago 4
Again the young turks have become the liberal fox news distorting the truth, Martin Luther King Jr was a pastor and strictly against abortion, this is a fact, planned parenthood was not in favor of abortion at the time, I used to trust the young turks now they are crap.
guanaesantonio 1 month ago
@guanaesantonio - Martin Luther King won an award from Margaret Sanger. TYT also posted MLK's stance on abortion. He gave a speech in favor of Planned Parenthood's efforts.
A86 1 month ago
MLK is right on most issues, but his racist comment that blacks only have too many kids because of poverty and that they plan better than whites of equal social status was disturbing and false. The white race is becoming extinct in America compared to the black community according to censuses. Sorry MLK, but epic fail on that charge.
shadowedge69 1 month ago
@shadowedge69 LOL black people are less then 15% of the American population.
Chilltown95 1 month ago
@Chilltown95 Look at any census for new births by race. One census I just looked up says white births declined by 6% since 2000 and for blacks it was 2.3% decline. That's almost a 4% difference by blacks which proves my point. MLK was talking about birth rates, not total population. By 2050, blacks will beat out whites altogether on every scale. It helps to use some comprehension when you read people's comments.
shadowedge69 1 month ago
@shadowedge69 LOL do you actually believe blacks will populate more of America then whites by 2050 ?
Chilltown95 1 month ago
@Chilltown95 It depends on what happens in our country. By the probability studies, yes. But if welfare and other social programs are gutted, I think the numbers will need to be readjusted. I'm very concerned about another war. Iran is looking to be next on the empire building plate as Obama is forcing it with sanctions. I hope you don't offense to anything, I'm not trying to be a jerk.
shadowedge69 1 month ago
@shadowedge69 Me neither haha. It's good to have discussions and where better to have it ? Besides your obviously intelligent so even if we don't agree I still respect you for being aware.
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MLK jr. Many times contradicted himself. He also said he believed in assimilation. But he also said he feared assimilation because if Blacks did so, Black stores and businesses would shut down and their economic power would decrease. And that cunt, margaret sanger was a fucking racist! So of course she would agree with that bullshit!
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DionLaurent1 1 month ago
These right-wing nutjobs need to read their own Bible. There are plenty of instances where God ordered the killing of children.
gupsphoo 1 month ago
@gupsphoo Does that mean i could kill your children willy-freely as well?
SummerInTahoe 1 month ago
@SummerInTahoe You might as well believe you could if you're a Christian.
gupsphoo 1 month ago
So cenk? what about his views on homosexuality? If you think it's acceptable for people to only look at the negatives of ben franklin then others can do the same to MLK. That is unless you're a complete fucking hypocrite? Which ofc you are.
manhunt48 1 month ago
Reddit is back up.
iamthe1337est 1 month ago
With all due respect to Alveda King and The Young Turks, this "debate" is somewhat ridiculous. How can any of us really know the contemporary perspective of a person who has been dead for more than 40 yrs? MLK's political perspective was based on his age and experience from his era. How can we intelligently speculate as what he would feel today had he lived. We can't. Too many of us use his great name to justify our own political and cultural agendas.
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Bullshit.
If someone proposed re-segregating the schools and I invoked MLK in opposing it, would you call that ridiculous? MLK had very clear positions on issues we struggle with today, and made it very clear that he wanted his work to be continued by others after he died.
00maharum00ma 1 month ago
@00maharum00ma I would agree with you if they were proposing the re-segregation of schools, however they are talking about pro-life vs. pro-choice and a Republican Congressman was saying how he thinks MLK would not support the Occupy Wallstreet Movement. What I'm suggesting is how could any of us really know. It's almost like speculating as to how MLK would react to internet piracy. These issues didn't exist in his day. Since we think so highly of MLK , we all like to think that he'd be with us.
amolapaz1 1 month ago
@amolapaz1 You're right. But TYT are forced to represent the truth here because the liars are ever busy turning history on its head and making shit up.
bongobanjo 1 month ago
@amolapaz1,
Abortion was a major issue in the 1960s also so there's a good deal of overlap with today's social issues. The only difference being that the Supreme Court allowed states to criminalize it at the time. King was apparently in favor of birth control, but opposed to abortion and did not attend the acceptance speech of the award presented by the Margaret Sanger society. King's wife, Coretta, accepted the award.
MegaAstrodude 1 month ago
Man I love reading Conservative bigotry in youtube comments. A great refresher as to why it's not worth taking the right seriously.
accook22 1 month ago
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omegaredda 1 month ago
twisting facts.....
zenojecel 1 month ago
Life began about 2 billion years ago. It is just a continuum. There is no "beginning" of life in individual humans. Life just goes on and on and on for billions of years.
Stop eating meat if you are pro-life.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
@ManNorthern Quit rambling that George Carlin nonsense. Do you automatically believe every single thing he says without putting your own thought into what he's saying?
To contradict your argument, or should I say Carlin's argument, it's ridiculous to say there's no beginning to individual human life. It obviously begins somewhere. Individual humans aren't just randomy created. Individual life begins when the sperm and ovum are fertilized. That's science talking, you can't argue with that.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf --- As a Brit, I have never heard of Gerorge Carlin, so I don't know what you are talking about.
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@dfbhcf Most fertilized eggs die. So all those 'individuals' you are talking about die.
You are living in an illusion if you think that there is a point where 'individuality' occurs. This is the ignorance of Western philosophy and religion. There is no individual. There is just life and the universe, and it is all wondrous and sacred.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
@ManNorthern Yes, most eggs fertilized after sex do die. But the death of those eggs are inevitable and unintentional through things like menstration. and Ignorance of religion? When did I say anything related to religion? All I've been stating is my own argument based on biological science. What's ignorant is to say there are no individuals in the world. Then what are you and I? We're not seperate human beings?
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf --- No, there are no individuals. There are only force fields at the basis of existence, and those fundamental forces are all aspects of one unified field, according to physics. The individuation is an illusion based on the brain and how humans make the mistake that each is a separate entity. It is useful illusion, but still only an illusion. It is not the reality. All the vast and ancient Eastern philosophies are built on this obvious fact.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
@ManNorthern Ok, but it doesn't really make sense to me how you can say one person and another person aren't seperate and distinct human beings, because that's what individual means; seperate and distinct.
dfbhcf 1 month ago 4
@dfbhcf Both are true. Individuality is true. Unity is true. In an un-enlightened state we inflate the importance of the individual, and so fear, distrust, and anger can arise. In the enlightened state of consciousness, the individuality is of lesser importance in the mind. The unity becomes predominant, and empathy, love, and peace arise. In the fully awakened state of the brain, there is an overwhelming sense of the unity of all beings and the whole universe. This is the future of humankind.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
@dfbhcf -- Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation most efficiently provides this type of brain functioning, where the unity of life pre-dominates consciousness, and the brain can evolve to its full potential naturally.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
Oh please.. i lean pro-choice but the "don't eat meat if you're truly pro-life" nonsense is just stupid. Life feeds on life -- that's nature since the dawn of life on Earth -- it is equally natural to both hunt (meat) and cultivate (plants). Did you know that PLANTS are LIVING things too!!!
My sister bought into the PETA guilt trip and after a year of going vegan, she looks like a pale twig compared to what she was. She is also anemic and has have a doctor to monitor her RBC count.
bobshenix 1 month ago
@bobshenix
So stupidity runs in your family then.
She went vegan without doing even the basic of research to get B12 from other sources.
mecher3k 1 month ago
@mecher3k
Who the hell knows... she doesn't look healthy but she gives her self-righteous lectures whenever she gets the chance. Her worldview has been warped by a bunch of pansy-ass Utopian stoners.
And BTW, an anemic condition is caused more so by iron deficiency than B12. Just because my sister is a gullible follower doesn't mean i'm stupid!!
bobshenix 1 month ago
@bobshenix @bobshenix Fine. I have no problem with people killing and eating animals. It is the hypocrites who are squeamish about killing an animal themselves that bug me. They get someone else (usually a very low paid slave) to do their dirty work.
Also factory farming of animals that I am against.
I have many friends who are hunters, and I have no problem with that. I choose to be vegetarian because I don't need to eat meat to be healthy and strong.
ManNorthern 1 month ago
Fetus comes from tbe Latin word that means child.
jdfolkerts 1 month ago
Ironically REPUBLICANS, before the 70's were PRO CHOICE - they didn't want poor people knocking out kids - boy is American politics fucked... 'twist his words and make him something he wasn't' said Anna - hmmm isn't that right wing Christianity in a nut shell?
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No. That FETUS is in MY BODY for 9 months and I will pop it out. NO ONE has the right to tell me what to do with my body.
Done. Finish, and get the FUCK out of my business.
musiclovinggurl123 1 month ago
@Issypt At the time he was given the award, Planned Parenthood was anti-abortion. The organization did not become pro-choice until the 1970's.
They used King's quotes, like the one in this video, to promote birth control, which it argued was not a form of abortion.
chrlpolk 1 month ago
Wow... is not that what you folks did with the supposed "racist" Ron Paul news letters, written by some other person that Ron Paul???????? Just asking for some self-consciousness here and consistency. Think about... turn the finger toward yourself and ask the same questions. It happens all the time... own it and change!
illuminate1970 1 month ago
@illuminate1970 Yeah, except Ron Paul put his own name on that "news letter" and MADE MONEY off that news letter. And, these racist statements went on and on for years, they weren't just an isolated incident that escaped his masterful view. Game set and match, you put your name on it, you OWN IT!
projeckt2501 1 month ago
@projeckt2501 With all due respect, that is a non-sequitur to my analogy. If you can address the analogy head on, you will show more intelligence than trying to spin it with something else. Thanks.
illuminate1970 1 month ago
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@illuminate1970 Excuse me, sir, my statement is congruous with your question. In this video we see a woman ascribing beliefs to someone who was clearly opposed them. My argument is important at this point, because it shows that the answer to your question is, no. This is not what TYT did with racist Ron Paul news letters, because Dr. King never put his name on an anti-choice news letter that he made money from. However, Ron Paul did put his name on racist news letters & made money from them.
projeckt2501 1 month ago
If MLK was alive today, he would be devastated at the turn this country took.
Crack3044 1 month ago
In 1966 when MLK won the Margaret Sanger award, Planned Parenthood was opposed to abortion and distributed anti-abortion literature. Could MLK have been pro-contraception and not necessarily pro-choice?
fruitvark 1 month ago 10
LET THE WOMEN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR BODY AND THEIR LIFE
- a male.
SkamGame 1 month ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 17, 2012
@SkamGame What about the child's body and the child's life?
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf it's not a child if it's not born yet.... and upto 8 weeks it wont have a life on itself
SkamGame 1 month ago
@SkamGame That's one of the stuidest, most ignorant comments I've ever read. It's not a child if it's not born? Where's the logic in that? If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? Nothing? So while it's in the womb it's nothing, but when it comes out of the vagina it magically becomes a person?
Also, what do you mean it wouldn't have a life on itself upto 8 weeks? I'm pretty sure it has life at the moment of conception.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf It's called.. BIOLOGY. In the first 8 weeks its fully dependant on the mother, after 8 weeks it will actually have a functioning heart......
Moment of conception.. means morning after pills are also wrong...
and plus... ITS HER FUCKING CHOICE... SHE HAS TO RAISE THAT BABY UP
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ME AND THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL WHAT A MOTHER HAS TO DO?! Did anyone tell your mother how to raise you? I'm pretty sure not.
Thought you lived in a free country......
SkamGame 1 month ago
@SkamGame Just because it's fully dependant on the mother doesn't mean it's not its own individual living human being.
and plus... it was also her choice to have sex irresponisbly. She had the chance then to act responsibly if she knew she wouldn't be prepared to raise the baby if she became pregnant.
Who's the mother to decide the fate of another living human being? Living in a free country doesn't give you the freedom to murder.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf Ever heard of rape?
ITS NOT A LIVING HUMAN BEING UNTIL ITS BORN!!!!
Have you never had any basic biology in your whole life?
once again ITS NOT A LIVING HUMAN BEING UNTIL ITS BORN
you are very ignorant and narrow minded for taking away a woman's choice
as I said:the mother will take care of it.. not you me or the government so it's her choice, unless you want to raise a few million kids, if not, then let the mothers choose
SkamGame 1 month ago
@SkamGame First of all, a woman being raped still doesn't give her the right to have the innocent living child killed.
Second of all, you still didn't answer my question: If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? Responding with the same comment in capital letters doesn't count as an answer.
YOU are very ignorant and narrow minded for taking away a child's right to live.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf "If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it?" It's a clump of cells called a zygote. A zygote with no memories, thoughts, feelings, opinions, or insights.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 First of all, a zygote is still an individual living human being, and it has developed beyond just "a clump of cells" into a fetus by the time the abortion is performed.
Second of all, many mentally challenged people don't have thoughts, memories nor opinions either. Does that makes them non-living human beings as well?
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf I take great offense at that comment. My sister is severely autistic, but she's a human being like everyone else. She clearly has thoughts feelings and memories. You are extremely ignorant when it comes to children with special needs. You have no idea what life is like for people who have family members with a mental disability. But maybe you will, since the numbers are steadily growing and you are more likely to have a mentally handicapped child or relative in the future.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 I never said mentally challenged people like your sister aren't human beings. I'm saying that many (not all) living mentally challenged people don't have memory or the ability to think, but that doesn't mean they're not human beings. And the same thing can be said for fetuses. I may not know what life is like for people who have family members with a mental disability to the same extent that you, but what does that have to do with anything?
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf As I've said before, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say. Metally challenged people DO have the ability to think. They have troube with communication skills and the ability to express themselves. That doesn't mean they don't have the ability to think. And the same thing cannot be said for fetuses. Your assumptions are incredibly offensive. There are so many REAL human issues out there, it's amazing how much time people like you spend on defending clumps of cells and hating women.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 And as I said before, I never said ALL mentally challenged people don't have the ability to think. I'm talking about the severly mentally challenged people who don't have the ability to think. My argument may be offensive to you, but that doesn't make it untrue. And you're right, there are many real human issues out there, like the issue of abortion where a living HUMAN being is unjustly killed. A fetus isnt just a clump of cells. And I don't hate woman, I hate legal murder.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf There is no such thing as mentally challenged people that "don't have the ability to think", that is just extremely ignorant and idiotic for you to say. When you see a person with down syndrome, are you just that stupid enough to think they are walking mumbling vegetables? At least KNOW this: Mentally challenged people are just as human as you. They may have trouble organizing and communicating their thoughts, but they have memories and feelings.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@dfbhcf If you're so concerned why don't you stop masterbating and start impregnating women with each and every sperm in your body? To not do that would just be murder, right? And I should stop menstrating and start having unprotected sex so I can stop murdering my poor eggs, right? Why don't you adopt every single embreyo in the world if you care so much? Take posession of every uterus! Face it, you're just an ignorant misogynistic hack with a computer.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 No, masturbating is not murder because it doesn't kill a human being, it kills a sperm. Eggs are not human beings either because they have not been fertilized with a sperm cell yet. I'm not ignorant, I'm actually very well informed and educated on both sides of the issue. And I'm definitely not misogynistic. Other than supporting an innocent living fetus' right to life (which is not misogynistic), what's one thing I've said that's hateful to women? Face it, YOU are ignorant.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf Those are some REAL issues. Instead of wasting your time on being a mysognonist and defending the unborn, maybe we should take time on thinking about REAL people. Not only on mentally handicapped individuals, I mean REAL children that are starving and being prostituded at the age of 5. No one seems to give a shit about them, and I think that is really sad.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 Honestly, what is so mysogynistic about defending the right to life of unborn living children who can't defend it for themselves? If you are going to disagree with my opinion, fine, but don't try to demonize Pro-Life people by saying they're mysogynist, supporting life doesn't mean you hate women. I care about alot of other issues than abortion as well, so don't try to make it seem like I only care about the abortion issue and not the other problems in the world, cause I do.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf A FETUS .......... I told you 3 times... BIOLOGY shows you all the cycles until it becomes a human being
ITS NOT A CHILD UNTIL ITS BORN, don't you get it?
You don't give a shit about living humans, do you?
SkamGame 1 month ago
@SkamGame I do get what you're saying, but what you're saying is scientifically false.
Like I stated before, it becomes a human being at the moment of conception. From then on, it developes through the different stages of life, from a fetus, to an infant, to a toddler, etc. Through all those stages, including while in the womb, it is a human being. If it wasn't a human being at conception, it would never become one.
I DO give a shit about living humans, hence me being Pro-Life.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf I don't know what books you had in your school, but I can tell you, you have been taught wrong.
And before knowing whether its a girl or a boy its unidentified and last time I checked unidentified creatures were aliens.
SkamGame 1 month ago
@SkamGame You can't always identify whether the child is a girl or a boy during that early stage of pregnancy, but that doesn't mean the child is an "unidentified creature". The embryo or fetus being visible inside the womb proves its individual identity.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
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MrG0TH1ER 1 month ago
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@dfbhcf "the right to have the innocent living child killed."…“ If it's not a child during pregnancy, then what is it? “ It’s not called a child but a Zygote first, then a fetus. After some time there’s enough cells to gain consciousness, then you could call it a child (but these are not aborted anyway).
“taking away a child's right to live”
Masturbation and abstinence also mean a child will never be born. Should we ban masturbation and abstinence?
MrG0TH1ER 1 month ago
@dfbhcf Do you have any idea what comes with pregnancy? Swollen feet, aching back, hemorrhoids, not just childbirth but the trauma of tearing? Do you think you are in any position to judge? Try looking at real facts instead of blurting out garbage from a two thousand year old book that has been interpreted and translated thousands of times by thousands of different people and in hundreds of different languages.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
@WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 When it comes to murdering an innocent living child, who's not in the position to judge the person who wants to do that?
"blurting out garbage from a two thousand year old book"?
When in my argument did I say anything relating to religion? Perhaps YOU should try looking at real facts instead of making false, ignorant and prejudiced accusations of me having my arguments based on religion.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf - "When it comes to murdering an innocent living child"
It's not a child, it's a clump of cells. It's not a child until it can live independently from the uterus. It's the mother's body so it's her choice. She doesn't have to keep it in her body and no one has the right to force her to do so.
A86 1 month ago
@dfbhcf Almost everyone who is pro misogyny is religious. I thought you were the same. If you consider a clump of cells that doesn't even have a brain or lungs yet a child, it shows how lowly you value human life.
WhereNoFanHasGoneB4 1 month ago
i don't get it. SO WHAT if MLK was opposed to abortion? Hitler wanted health care does that make it wrong? I support ideas regardless of other opinions on it
iago201 1 month ago
I've seen this woman in person when I was in college. She's a joke. She's using her uncle's fame to further her own backwards mentality. Hell, I went to her forum as part of a Civil Liberties class, and during the next class period the professor apologized to everyone that went. She's hyper-religious and sadly uneducated. She even seemed to be proud of the uneducated part, too. I would sooner listen to a crazy guy with a tin foil hat than her. They both seem to be equally grounded in reality.
BigBurkhart 1 month ago
I don't know why anybody pays any attention to the corporate propaganda distributors and then call it "news". They aren't news, they are propaganda!
TruthatCearcie 1 month ago
I imagine that there are only a FEW women out there who actually DONT regret getting an abortion. My mother herself got an abortion when i was younger because we coulnd't take care of the child at the time. She regrets it to this day and makes it clear. We couldn't take care of an extra person when we ourselves were barely eating enough to live. At that time abortion was ILLEGAL in Albania. She got sick cause of lack of funding. Abortion should remain legal under all circumstances.
crackerkiller89 1 month ago
Awesome guys, thank you. I never thought I would hear the most eloquent and logical argument for choice from Dr. King...amazing...thank you again
Piriathy 1 month ago
@Xeginy frankly I don't give a rat shit about politicians as ALL of them are full of it. I was just saying about general thing - having an abortion makes people to realize (in many cases), that it wasn't exactly extraction of tooth like many "pro-choice" ( I would say pro-kill-your-own-kid as it is what it is - why that political correctness and hypocrisy? Name it right) people tells. I know two girls that did it - somehow it isn't all that easy after. Sometimes there is no choice though.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
Remember, in Russia, lying media controls YOU! That's why it's so great to be an American.
audadvnc 1 month ago
@CraigMetalHead Similar - I wouldn't have to get abortion (technically hard thing for a guy but hypothetically speaking...) to know we shouldn't rip apart bodies of our little children and fool ourselves into thinking that this isn't child YET.
I think you got great point in that particular case - 2 abortions.. I was talking in general though - it is very easy for me to understand people that are against abortion after they had one. I know 2 girls that did it.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
@tlilmiztli Hmm, no. All you have shown there is that you fail to understand the biological process of development in the womb.
When you eat eggs... are you eating chicken? If you found a baby chick in your egg would you slap it in the frying pan as if it were just a normal egg about to be fried? The answer to both of these questions is obviously, no.
CraigMetalHead 1 month ago
@CraigMetalHead I dont know where you are going with this nonsense man. Egg is egg, fetus is fetus. Go to google and write "abortion baby" then hit for pictures. Dont care what anyone will try to say - those are in many cases mutilated bodies of small babies. I can understand if it was "mother or baby" kind of a choice. Otherwise this is simply atrocity painting nicely by politicians. How the fuck people can do that is beyond me.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
@tlilmiztli Exactly, an egg is an egg. You made my point while you thought you were countering it, an egg is an egg... not a chicken.
CraigMetalHead 1 month ago
@CraigMetalHead Abortion isn't extraction of an ovum from body. Why you keep on pointing to the egg itself. Whatever man - have a nice life. Thats it from me. Try to find a difference between ovum and fetus as a homework. Good luck!
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
@tlilmiztli Erm, you might want to learn more about the food you consume. The eggs you eat were perfectly able to become chickens, the only thing stopping them was human intervention for profit and sustenance.
CraigMetalHead 1 month ago
@CraigMetalHead I have no idea why you are still going into it. Human intervention? Dude, even if parthenogenesis VERY RARELY occurs, the reason why egg didn't become chicken is because there is no rooster to fertilize it. Were not talking about freaking eggs? Egg is one thing, fetus is other. Unfertilized egg will not become a chicken or human. And for crying out loud - this isn't about chickens. But even if it was - youre wrong AGAIN. Leave it man.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
@tlilmiztli So wait, you have never had eggs that werent from a battery farm? Sorry, I was coming from a stand point were you were a decent human being. My mistake.
If you buy from a farmers market, a local farm or even have your own chickens then the eggs have been fertalized and many people eat said eggs that are still eggs.
CraigMetalHead 1 month ago
@CraigMetalHead I live in such small town that eggs I buy can be still hot from hens ass. If you have bunch of hens to produce eggs EVEN IF you let them be with rooster there is simply too many of them to get frertilized by him. But lets keep it on subject - do you fucking see difference between human and chicken? Can you spot difference between mammal and bird? Did you saw little babies ripped apart? Theyre no freaking aggs. You dont even have balls to google it... I am off that disscussion.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
Velveeta King lol
NEOSoundDesigns 1 month ago in playlist daily news
@Futurist2029 Thx for correcting - easier to remember as English is 3rd language I am communicating in ;) As you surely can see I am not saying nothing about what people should do with their bodies or not. Only commenting on one thing Ana mentioned. Subject is too deep to get deep into it in youtube comments - no matter which side you choose to support.
tlilmiztli 1 month ago
TYT completely misinterprets MLK's quote and takes it out of context for their Pro-Choice agenda. Just because King said a child who is not wanted is tragic and a curse for the parent doesn't mean he's Pro-Choice. If he was "clearly Pro-Choice" as Cenk claimed, he would have said he is or he supports a woman's right to have an abortion. THAT would be clear evidence of MLK's Pro-Choice stance. If TYT can find a quote like that that clearly confirms his Pro-Choice stance, then I'll believe it.
dfbhcf 1 month ago
@dfbhcf
Of course, mlk had to be pro choice. Thats your only choice when you have that many mistresses.
emeka1978 1 month ago
I don't think family planing include abortion....
kingstund101 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
To be fair, much of King's remaining family are scumbags as it is. They have been profiting off of his fame since the day he died. An example being that they have copyrighted his "I have a dream" speech and attached a $10 fee to it instead of allowing it to be public domain. Of course the internet has pretty much done away with that, but it lets you know just what kind of people they are.
Relyt22 1 month ago
Yes, MLK was most certainly a right-wing censervative, thats why he talked about a class war, stronger union power over owners and mental freedom over material wealth... Classic conservative.
GnosticAtheist 1 month ago
religion makes people painfully ignorant. If you look at it from a scientific point of view abortion isnt wrong at all because the fetus does not have a developed nervous system and is not conscious whatsoever, therefore it does not suffer at all when aborted. And if someone argues that you are depriving that fetus a chance at life then I would say you are preventing a life everytime you do not jump at the opportunity to have unprotected sex.
ismokedaily420 1 month ago 14
@ismokedaily420 I'm pro-life, and it has nothing to do with my religion. Almost all pro-lifers say the same thing. If you look at it from a scientific standpoint, scientists agree that the process of life begins at conception. The fetus is the beggining of life because life is being developed. Your argument on unprotected sex is stupid because the process of life never began. With a fetus, it already has.
DP3mo24hofosho 1 month ago
@DP3mo24hofosho scientists do agree that is the process of life, but no biologist believes that the fetusis a human being. They are at different states
fleammm 1 month ago
@fleammm So when does it become human then? When does it deserve rights?
DP3mo24hofosho 1 month ago