If you don't understand the importance of wars, take a look at the size of Pentagon & defense industry. How many Americans get their paychecks from them? How many if add oil companies? How big it is if you take Wall Street into account? Americans are living on the blood of their own children and people in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya. How long a civilization preaching luxurious wasteful life style based on greed, fossil fuel and weapons of mass destruction will exist on a resource-meager planet?
This made me mad enough to cry. A brilliant film showing the unbridled stupidity and arrogant abuse of power, a few men and women literally drunk on the blood of many innocent peoples.
I highly HIGHLY suggest that EVERYONE watch 'Bush's Wars" on PBS (Frontline). Just as good if not better than this important and horrifying documentary.
Woah good thing we have so many experienced middle east experts commenting below, I was worried I was in the company of armchair ignoramuses for a moment there!
The end is actually already in sight, and passed. The war is over. We removed the person we originally put in power (Saddam), and put in a new power, which I can only hope will better than the last one we put in power - only time will tell. Some people got rich from it (which is nothing new, as every war had its benefactors).
Time to move on and solve the next debacle we created.
When is everybody gonna stop and yap about how wrong this was and start indicting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Rice, Gates and all the other war criminals that masterminded the demise of an entire country.
Should you not be busy laying charges in Courts of The Hague against these criminals. Have we not been hiding long enough behind the false protections of the Presidential Office?
The most incompetent and arrogant administration that ever existed in the USA. The sheer level of incompetence is absolutely amazing. The people knew NOTHING about war and were simply making decisions based on their OWN ASSUMPTIONS, not on the intel or the military knowledge.
It is amazing the magnitude of this failed government and how it will cause the USA to change profoundly. I am shocked of how much amateurism was in the Bush administration.
@goma3 You are right. I agree 1,000,000 percent. Just the fact the George Bush was Elected after creating this war shows that the Republicans are idiots and the American People dId not do their homework. (It was the American people who re elected Bush) People need to stay playing with SOLDIERS LIVES BY PLAYING THE POLITICAL GAME.
@humblemyself Remember though, it is the Democrat's jobs to win the argument and win the votes. If you want change you cannot just sit there and say you are stupid and you are wrong, you have to PROVE your case and win them to your side. Democrats failed to do that, so it is everyone's fault, not just the Republicans.
@Mastershik First of all, I am not a Demorcrat. Second of all, the Demorcrats didn't have to prove anything to me because I have common sense. If you make decisions based upon someone ELSE proving something to you, you have a hard road cut out for yourself. Everyone is not to blame for people blindly following an idea base on party politics. I was opposed to George Bush and voted that way. So I was right! You were wrong if you didn't act INDEPENDANT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S EVIDENCE!!!!!
@goma3 Not amateuristic at all. Some 45000 defense contractors made a lot of money on this war. I'd say more something like "well planned" Bush didn't know, but Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the other thugs sure did. Bremer was and still is a fool. Rice is just a c%nt, token minority player. Their "incompetence" made many millionaires.
Really interesting to see in full detail how incompetent/corrupt/stupid the Bush admin was with this war. Great documentary, it i just unfortunate that the people who have caused untold misery to millions of people won't be judged and punished for their crimes. I hope cheney/bush/rummey/wolf blitzer etc all die horrible deaths, sooner rather than later.
This documentary was such a eye opener. I knew that things in Iraq were not successful but I did not know to what extent. It is a sad state affairs at so many levels, and for so many involved. Vietnam all over again and I fear this will take decades to be resolved if not more. People have long memories.
Also, keep in mind that Saddam still had a WMD program and aspired to build a nuclear weapon... once economic sanctions expired or were lifted. France and Russia had pushed lifting economic sanctions on Iraq earlier than the expiration date. France and Russia were Iraq's main trading partners and two of the countries most vehemently against going to war with Iraq.
Any of the countries in the middle east - in fact the majority of them , still aspire to build nuclear weapons, but Iraq was decades away from achieving even a basic nuclear capability. Israel however, currently has not just 200+ nukes, but - like only 3 other nations have a "survivable" deterrent mechanism of dozens of nukes permanently at undisclosed positions at sea to ensure the ability to respond should the Israeli state suffer defeat or serious setback in a successful surprise attack.
Besides Iran and Pakistan, what evidence do you have that the majority of countries in the ME want to make nukes? Besides your intuition please
Ummm... what? I don't know what your even saying about Israel, it's unintelligible.
Saddam Hussein gassed hundreds of thousands of his own people and used the same nerve agents against Iran. He launched missiles at Iran in one war, and Israel in another. He wanted Iraq to control the Middle East.
I'll roll with the Annals of Nuclear Energy and Jane's Intelligence which states that Syria, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar and even Oman have acquired missile delivery systems (SCUD) type missiles, and all of those nations, have at one time or another sought nuclear weapons.
Israel, and I'll be clear here, has over 200 nuclear weapons. They also have 3 submarines capable of launching nuclear weapons, in the event Israel itself was over-run by some nation or combination of nations.
2- I wouldn't doubt Syria or Libya seeking nuclear weapons... Egypt is a lot more iffy, but still plausible anyway. Given their history and current foreign policy, those states were not at all the same as the Ba'ath Regime.
3- Discussing Qatar, UAE, and Oman in a military way is pretty funny to say the least. Even Saudia Arabia, which needs to be protected by an umbrella of American military bases, is a laughing matter when it comes to military terms.
This is called "survivability" or "durability" in that like the US, Russia and China, a nuclear response against the aggressor nation, could be launched, days or weeks afterward, ensuring that whatever nation ever attacks (and succeeds) in destroying Israel would itself be decimated in a nuclear reprisal. Of course no nation states have a good response plan to a nuclear weapon detonated by a terrorist organization that could be considered in any way satisfactory. I hope that explains.
Yes, It does explain what you were saying... but I don't see how it really refutes what I originally said.
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator with an aggressive past. He was an idiot but was also bold and daring. Not to mention the fact that he had used WMDs on numerous occasions in the past...
So when it becomes clear he aspired to re-initiate his WMD program once UN sanctions expired, it seems satisfying to know that he was knocked out before a rebuilding regime became a reality.
We don't as a general rule do very much about atrocities not historically, not today, generally not ever. We clean up, we tend to prevent those problems that are in our interests, but since WW2, in the Iraqi & Vietnamese case, there were no compelling national interests save those conjured by politicians & militarists through manipulation of intelligence in BOTH cases. In Vietnam the game was to inform McNamara's viewpoint , in Iraq the game was to encourage Mr. Bush's personal inclinations.
In the case of Viet Nam, simply put, Russam, McNamara and Bundy were working off of largely incorrect presumptions about the Vietnamese conflict itself, earnestly but incorrectly - as it turns out.
Iraq, it's different, in so far as it is entirely unclear considering the 2nd tier personalities involved. That those individuals informing Mr. Bush's views were working in the interests of the US & here we are today - contemplating similar action against Iran as they develop nuclear capability.
While conservative elements of the Israeli body politic are extraordinarily concerned about Iran.
Iran simply is defiant, 5 nations in Iran's region already have nuclear weapons, there is a second arms race, and that does suck, but if we wanted to be serious about counter-proliferation we needed to be doing so consistently 25 years ago. Today it is more than a little late, so US (not Israeli) economic interests, oil/gas price stability specifically, must take precedence over others concerns.
SCUD - Type 3 missiles (the most common type) can carry small payloads inaccurately up to 500-800 nautical miles. These missiles could easily include a small "gun-type" Hiroshima style weapon of modern design.
Largely the states in the "lower tier" were not acquiring nuclear weapons for reasons all that far removed from simple Bourgeois impulse ( simply to know they have one ), like a new Bentley or Porsche only with more gamma ray output & generally not from a warranted military viewpoint.
Well, you could get into an argument as to whether some action or another is moral. I think for the purpose of practicality it's not so much that some historical nastiness occurred, rather that we do what we can - to prevent such a recurrence in the future. That to me, seems far, far more useful than reparations nonsense, which leads to worrying about whether 10 years at Dachau is worth 4$ on the hour or 5$ and implies that abject suffering and degeneracy is simply an "overhead" cost.
perhaps the u.s just rat them out after selling them the nukes themselfs, after all we are the biggest providers for their training and arsenal, we are the largest dead machine in the history of the world, and we haven't even started.
Its for much more than oil reserves. IF you find someone only playing one factor into a decision, they are likely NOT thinking properly or thoroughly through the problem. There are many factors to a decision.... the decision to invade Iraq was partly based on the fact that it would open up Iraq's oil to the global market and slash and kind of subsidies or restrictions its economy had in place.
Fox Connor once said of war, Never fight alone, never fight for very long & fight with everything you've got. We didn't do that.
Had we done so things might have been very different. War in this case has not satisfied the long term US objective of stability, upon leaving it's entirely unclear the situation will be stable, or even whether Iraq constitutes a viable state any longer, it's #3 or 4 on the failed states list for it's economic collapse despite massive US inputs of aid and troops.
We didn't fight alone, a lot of our allies were uncommited and sent few troops(ie Spain left after terrorist attacks) but the Brits certainly were in the war with us. I don't know why'd you want to fight briefly and with everything you have... You couldn't respond to a disaster elsewhere.
How can you say that when Iraq murder rates and crime rates have reached pre-war levels? Iraq is currently high on the failed states list, but it is slowly lowering itself... that is not a static thing.
I think the question at the end of the day is given the unlikely prospect of an Iraqi regime friendly to US interests and much more like Iran in terms of our relations, was the cost worth it. We did not serve longer term interests, the Iraqi people certainly won't be thanking us for our service any time soon, and the level of radioactive contamination throughout Iraq through indiscriminate use of DU, is a permanent ecological disaster.
The US and Iran have completely severed diplomatic relations... On the other hand, Iraq and the US were able to negotiate a mandate friendly to both of our interests. Relations between our two nations are strong(so much so that in discussions similar to this one people regularly claim Iraq is a puppet state of America)
Many Iraqis have thanked America. I wont fool myself into believing the mission was prestine,but to say that Iraq will increasingly feel ill towards the US is a false statement.
Keep in mind this movie is liberally biased in a time when there was a much different situation in Iraq. Now, while I don't deny that the invasion was profligate action that was done with basless motivations, the ends have essentially met the means... while a Colin Powell approach would've been much more effective and saved countless lives, history is history and all we can do is learn from its mistakes and advert them in the future.
Your conclusion that war is fruitless is far from the mark
Now, I don't believe there is any phsical Saddam-Al Qaida connection. But Al-Zarqawi was in Iraq in 2002, and Al Qaida did have a presence in the country... was it as large as it was after the invasion? Certainly not. But the battle of Iraq was still a battlefield and political defeat for AQ. They have failed in their attempt to incite a civil war and are being driven to destruction. The Sunni Tribes that initially embraced them have turned against them and now side with the Free government.
By choosing the opposition partys Secretary of Defence, Obama is proclaiming that there is not a single Democrat suitable for taking the position, and therefore he must take the oppositions choice to fill this cabinet position. This means not only does he approve of Bushs war policies, but that he also intends to continue along the lines of his predecessor.
the iraq war was never meant to be won just sustained so the iraqis kill themselves off and it gets divided and given to the corporations who will then rape and pillage all of its resourcers
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what are you trying to prove, that YOUr really important and somehow YOU know what's going on in Iraq? Wow, you must have a lot of insight from your vast amount of experience...
Also the millions of innocent civilians that these troops have killed will NEVER get a second chance to live! What futile war ... as all know now Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 ... its evident this war was only for its oil reserves ... to quench America's thirst for oil. Just put yourself and your family in an Iraqi family's shoes and think what they are going through.
People high up in American administration simply used the US military and the Iraqi civilians on their real life "Chess Board"
1- The statistic of Iraqi casualities is much, much lower. The highest ESTIMATES ranged over a million, but the Iraqi Health Ministry released all Iraqi casualities for 2005 and it was a figure of 85-90 thousand... Still a large sum, but not "millions".
2- Many factors play into war. If the planners didn't factor in the fact that Iraq had oil, I would certainly wag my finger
3- What are you basing that on? Chess board? Sounds like you made it up
Well, I'll address your last point first. With respect to 9/11, certainly Mr. Hussein was no friend of US interests, but he was a secular dictator not unlike Musharraf in Egypt and had NO intention of playing with fire. Elements in the Bush administration (notably Mr. Perle and Cheney) strongly advocated that a single alleged meeting may have taken place in Vienna / Prague Al-Queda & Iraqi agents - but even with access to Iraqi intelligence apparatus - post invasion, this could not be verified.
Saddam had risen to power and ruled his early years as a secular year. But just by looking at his statements, you can see he was increasingly using religion as a political tool as his regime years came to a close.
Victory will be ours soon. Iraqis will strike the necks as God has commanded you."
(Speaking to his troops as American and coalition troops declare war on Iraq)
Earlier, his statements to troops appealed to honor and strength of Iraq, not of the Islamic religion.
Secondly , the casualties in Iraq are manifold. In researching this concern, this movie's point about the logistical & personnel shortcomings lead directly to the destruction of iraqi civil society , the question is not - oh it was only X amount so it's not so bad, the question is what were the motivations for this war. I've read far too much on the subject and the reasoning - pre-war is unambiguous is that while we were not be able to create peace, we can certainly destroy nations.
Lastly - it is the entirely uncomfortable fact that the US interests in the Mid-east are primarily STABILITY, for oil and gas resource markets. Therefore M.E. warfare is inconsistent with our basic national interest, Israeli Likud interests however expressed Iraqi destablization as their #1 priority. Enter Mr. Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney & an ingenue President Bush.
It would be almost comforting to dismiss such observations as racist were there not such a profusion of evidence for such activity.
3. Chess Board too used figuratively ... Bush administration, sitting in their plush comfortable offices, under the security of secret service sending orders to men, basically using and sacrificing them at will to checkmate the opponent ... isnt that chess?
4. If you have seen the documentary and read/heared/watched the news, people in Bush administration as well as in other agencies have said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and never had any WMDs!
Checkmate the opponent? How is bringing stability in Iraq only a check? And yes, I agree... decision makers without real military or combat service that use soldiers as toys is part of the reason we're in this mess. Only if McCain had won in 2000....
I have seen the documentary... Am I a representative of the Bush administration? Saddam didn't have WMD's in 2003.. But a battle to cripple Al Qaida, the organization responsible for 9/11, is a battle that has something to do with 9/11.
As a Muslim I am happy the shoes were bulls eye. i.e did not touch Bush. However the second shoe should have been on puppet Maliki
Muslims have stood in shame how an invader an occupier was not given hell. This journalist is D hero of Muslim world & any Muslim should be proud of how he treated an occupier.
Hands off! any one dares to prison or harm this journalist HERO OF ISLAM
Can Bush Blair be extradited to The Hague? Absence Justice this was best action.
You should all make an atempt to watch this movie.
The ultimate truth about the Iraqi war. It will make you sick to learn how we lived under a regime that was worse than Saddams Regime. George Bush and his buddies.
Its amazing how much they got away with. George Bush, and all of his buddies should go on trial just like Saddam did.......for murdering more than 600 thousand inocent people and costing the US 1.25 Triliion dollars for a stupid war.
It's important to remember that that is the close to the existing agreement, but that the US pushed for permanent (US) corporate contracts for oil resource extraction, immunity from prosecution for US contractors and personnel and permanent military bases. All of which were totally unacceptable to the Iraqi people.
1 Permanent US bases were the idea when the US thought Iraq would be in chaos for decades. The mentality was that is would be similar to the War in the Philipinnes in the late 19/early 20 century, when we occupied the nation for decades.
2 Iraq has a free market. Foreign oil investment is very much a reality.
3 Yeah, I never understand the immunity for private contractors.
And yes, in the end it is in the Iraqi people's hands as to the future of their country. They now enjoy freedom.
what a fuckin joke, no mention of the zionist rats planning back in 96, to send american get killed in ME for securing the shitland israel. google, " a clean break". zionists bankrupted US for good, that's a fact.
After a recent trip to the mid east and europe Democrat Senator Barack Obama agrees that the surge in Iraq was a success and that the Us is winning the war.
3.8 million votes where not counted in the 2000 election....they were deemed "glitched" and ended up being put aside....96% of those votes were cast by minorities.....margin of victory was 120,000 and Bush won....4 billion dollars in debt in 8 years...education, health care still pure garbage....barrel of oil when bush took office $35....today $139....widest gap between rich and poor since 1950's...top 1% of people control 73% all wealth in this country....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....
But the steepest incline or oil and steepest decline of the economy occured the past two years (since democrats controlled Congress) This may surprise many becuase proir to the 2006 elections Nancy Pelosi said Democrats had a "commom sense plan" to lower the price of oil. Democrats controlled Congress 4 2 years and the "common sense' bill hasn't even been wrtiien yet. Since she said democrats had a 'common sense plan" for lower oil prices the proce of a gallon of gas went up $2.25!
Economist warned of a coming mortgage collapse at least 6 months before Democrats took control of congress, plus they have not had control for 2 years yet and bush vetos theire efforts to change things for the better
fuck the united states! 4 real man, the world is so fed up with ur shit, if u people dont stand the fuck up to do somethin, u will get ur asses to bleed!
all u do is eat burgers and watch tv to get brainwashed...
stop killin babies, stop it right noW, stand the fuck UP and fight for the rights of humanity.. we dont want to b rich, we want peace! we want food! we want to see the US selfdestruct right now
That seems like the child (which is dependant on the mother but is its own human being) has no rights at all. Thats not fair. If the mother could die from delivering that baby then I think she should have the option of abortion. But if there is no unusual ring, then no.
It is a very sensitive topic, abortion is.. I still think the mother has the right and common sense to determine whether or not to go on with a pregnancy.
Having a cousin who is a young mother of two daughters.. I see her life trembling in front of her. She does not has a uni degree (her husband does not allow her to) no social life or permanent job (too busy raising her 2 young children) while husband does low skilled job which basically does not provide enough for the family.
It is very heartbreaking for my extended family to see such a young, radiant young woman changed "overnight" into a depressed, unsuffixed young mother.
Other than health issue, there are other issues related to whether or not it is better for a couple or for a mother to have children.. social, economical, cultural. Until your family is a victim of abortion being called "illegal", you never know how painful it is...
though i dont believe this, i will just make the arguement for you that suicide is technically illegal and so killing a living human being inside you or not could be considered murder.
Again, I don't actually believe this. I believe that a woman has a choice though a line should be made as to where the baby is no longer a stack of cells and is now a human.
az101010, no it definitely is not about ignoring the Iragis. In fact the movie says it was a mistake to do so. Did you watch the movie? If not, highly recommended. It just came out like recently. The movie takes in the facts and of course you figure on the whole thing. It seems like they (bush and co.) needed to make these "mistakes" to get to the oil.
are the looney tunes trying to say we should have ignored the iraq citizens and only fought al-Qaeda and the other jihadists flowing into the place? do the looney tunes even know what they are trying to say? this video never says one thing about anything other than clips of people have problems.. this is kind of dumb..
It's just corruption az. They bought themselves time to steal the oil, which nobody in the media has EVER focused on, and when they're done, leave the country in whatever condition, they DON"T care about people and life, they care
about themselves only, just like saddam. This movie is
great to see what they did to secure the oil, and the testimony is there to solidify the facts that, once again, the
it's unbelievable how little attention people pay, obama voted to fund the war 3 times may 2005, dec 2005, and june 2006, and also in june 2006 obama rejected a bill the would force bush to bring the troops home within 1 year. Research his voting record for yourself. wake up, Ron Paul is the only canidate who truely opposes the iraq war and has the voting record to prove it.
Cadrat doing his ush lol. This movie is fantastical go rent it or something... and Cadrat, go see it. I highly doubt you have and hey, you can lie to people on youtube all you want but seriously go see it
theEdge1983 said,"would be best for the economy, and both replied Obama."
The economy is important, yes... but ...
it really doesn't matter... really, if ...
one is dead... now does it?
Hillary or Obama can't even begin to know how to protect this country!
I am looking at this by priorities, Ok? These are important; economy, teachers, unions, gas prices, etc, etc, etc, or death? See? Nothing is really important or cared about, if you are dead!
God! This is a tragedy for Iraq and the common people of the US. The poor soldiers sent to die in Iraq for the incompetence or bad will or their leaders is a tragedy, but most tragic is the destruction of a country, Iraq. I am not American, but I fear the hate produced by this conflict. May God enlighten the future president of the US to stop the suffering of the Iraqi people and their own.
this whole world seems to be going down the tubes fast it seems we are in a big mess. i am still somewhat hopeful that we can turn this around. my genes refuse to allow me to submit or lie down without a fight to the end.
The US struggled to fight against guerrila tactics in Viet Nam. Russia had similar struggles in Afganistan. The US war with Iraq will be no different this time.
We know what happens when a dictatorship leaves in an ethnically diverse region from looking at the Soviet withdrawal from Eastern Europe. Ethnic infighting, chaos, and eventual division of nations into smaller ones. This will take time.
i have a serious problem with this film. in the first 8 minutes of the film they show footage of the pentagon and a fireball with no plane hitting pentagon from actual pentagon security footage. billions no trillions of my tax dollars are being wasted on security and defense but yet i see no plane. they claim they have no other security cameras to capture this incident. it makes the conspiracy's circling more valid. they show a film with no plane hitting pentagon. i am really pissed off.
wow you've just worked out that your being ripped off??
This "war on Terror" has been going on for a while now and it seems that the world is heading for a catastrophic recession. Food crisis and economic pain for many families.
good 'ol USA for keeping our world safe and healthy. FUCK THE USA!!!
no actually im in shock that they think they can show factual footage from a third party authenticated without some "conspiracy type individual authentication "of an explosion without any perception in clear site of a plane colliding with pentagon. the film is in a major video rental chain. if they cant film actual proof or deny anyone the opportunity to debate about it, lends credence to anyone with a suspicion or so called "conspiracy" anyway im for incarceration as opposed to impeachment
I just watched this film. Very good, that is insightful and a level of honesty we don't usually get. To be honest, it made me ashamed, the more and more I research our country's recent history, the more I think that after college I will leave here.
Great film. I actually had to pause it because I was getting so pissed off at the sheer incompetence of it all. I was left with the impression that it actually could have worked. The powers that be REALLY REALLY REALLY f-ed this up, and it didn't have to be this way :(
This moron MoveOn labels me a PUSSY! HA HA!! Well I served in Iraq, it sure seemed my country needed me back then didn't it? Like I said before, if you got such a hard on for Bush and his wars, go enlist and fight in them, put up or shut up!!!
MoveOn you obviously have no grasp of history do you?? Germany declared war on us, and as we knew that Nazi Germany was a real threat (unlike Iraq) we went over there and soundly defeated them with help from our allies, all in 4 years, what is it coming to in Iraq? Five years now and we are still clueless?? Bush is one of the worst most incompetant Presidents we have ever had, you need to really wake up. You must be another coward who wants everyone else to do their fighting for them, how sad.
Sorry it was the russian army who soundly defeated the nazis, with a little help from the western allies, but yea america cant defeat the insurgents , kill some , contain them, but not destroy them !!!
Listen to all of you. You're all like a pack of animals. Thats why there is "No End In Sight". Because all you idiots are only interested in your own personal views/beliefs. And seeing who can throw the biggest insults to piss the other party off.
If so many of you have all the fucking answers then why doesn't someone stand up??
Moveon......climb out of Bush's arse and open your eyes.
If somting like this happend in Francia, the people probabily will make protest with no end till the goverment di the rigth thing. (sorry about my inglish). People in USA need to move and wen i mean move, i mean hundreds of tousands people in each impotant city making protest and burning tires in the streets and making a lot of noise but people in America live their lifes with fear and they fear their goverments, in other contries, the goverment fear the people thats the way it's suposed to be.
we fear no one but are heavily in debt. it seems the more information that surfaces points to an evil master on top. this government will have 290 million pissed off and burnt out citizens. trust me they have a lot to worry about. you have military, doctors, lawyers, judges, municipal and local authority watching them carefully waiting for them to fuck up. trust me. i wouldn't be surprised if the president and his whole cabinet gets impeached.
Bush is the worst President in history, such an incompetant administration led to the myriad of mistakes in Iraq and our troops are dying every day because of this total lack of planning by this arrogant administration, how anyone can support this Pres. and make excuses for him is beyond me, and by the way, I served in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with the Army in SW Baghdad, I realized within the forst two months of my tour that this war was BS and a sh*thole country like Iraq was never a threat.
As an Iraqi, Don't refer to Iraq as sh..hole but the A..hole America made Iraq like that for 13yrs Am committed"Genocide" and decimated Iraq conducted over 150,000 air raids "after" the end of the 1G Oil War 1991.Iraq was NOT a 3rd world country before 1991but developed country bcz of that America and Briton conspired with the Kuwaitis to destroy Iraq.Hey did you help your buddies steal our RED Mercury, Oil and other resources? How many flowers did you get from us.What did you find in our homes?
You won't change my impression of Iraq, no I didn't steal your RED Mercury (?), I got no flowers from you, I found nothing in your homes, one thing I noticed though, the Muslim homes were disgusting, very dirty and unkept, the homes of Christain Iraqis, spotless and orderly, now why is that?
Hey StealRain, you forget to mention one more thing "terrorists" I'm surprised!! Did you try to teach them how to be clean and civilized too? Just like how you civilized the natives Red Indians !!. I'm glad our Christain brothers gave the good impression so they won't be killed too, may be the Muslims should learn the trick from the Christain so their lives could be spared from the trigger happy U.S soldiers. You, the white people need to get over your racist mind.
Hey it's not my fault the Muslims live like pigs, the very animal they hate!! You know we tried to tell them that they can't sh*t all over the house, and too clean up, but of course we were ignored.
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Steelrain1987: yet another inmature hate monger liberal Democrat PUNK throwing insult bombs at people they can't tolerate - fully invested in the defeat of America. Can't get over the fact that President Bush is great and has kicked every pathetic Democrats ass who's tried to beat him. We will try every one of you for treason against the USA. You're too f'in stupid to even bother with - uneducated - face it, tell us how old u r, lol, and where you went to school dickweed?
wow man you arent even smart enough to come up with more than one comment. you copy and paste it for numerous people. hahahaha your even more stupid than i thought
MoveOnDotOrgg, a CUT N PASTE right winger. Kind of like Fox news aye? Damn you right-wingers are so clueless that it is insane. You people are like a cult. Did you watch the clip moron? Even if you did you'd not see the facts.
MoveOn, STFU!!!, I served in Iraq, I'm sure you didn't (typical of many Bushbots), I saw the reality, you didn't, you believe any BS Bush will throw you, grow up and start thinking a bit will ya? If you support this war so much than go fight in it, put up or shut up!!! Until then go back to sucking Bush's dick!!!
@MoveOn: As Steelrain said, fight your own damn wars. You would rather let others die and fight for your wars while you stay back and do the drum rolls. AND YOU HAVE THE FUCKING AUDACITY TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE TRAITORS?
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Look at all these liberal fascists - y'all can move to China if you don't like it here. President Bush is a great President and history will prove him right. Sundance - peace , love and Ted Kennedy.
HAHHAHAHAHHA hey buddy what world do you live in?!?!??!?! its ignorant people like YOU turn a blind eye to every evidence that shows that bush is a fucking moron like YOU
In 1990,the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority(UKAEA)wrote a report warning about the potential health and environmental catastrophe from the use of DU weapons. The health effects had been known for a long time. The report sent to the UK government warned "in their estimation, if 50 tonnes of residual DU dust remained 'in the region' there could be half a million extra cancers by the end of the century [2000]." Estimates of depleted uranium weapons used in 1991,now range from the Pentagon's
admitted 325 tons, to other scientific bodies who put the figure as high as 900 tons. That would make the number of estimated cancers as high as 9,000,000, depending on the amount used in the 1991 Gulf War. In the 2003 Gulf War, estimates of 2200 tons have been given — causing about 22,000,000 new cancer cases. Altogether the total number of cancer patients estimated using the UKAEA data would be 25,250,000. In July of 1998, the CIA estimated the population of Iraq to be approximately 24,683,313
"We must become the owners, or at any rate the controllers at the source, of at least a proportion of the oil which we require." (British Royal Commission, agreeing with Winston Churchill's policy towards Iraq 1913).
"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
(US President George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, Sep. 25, 2000).
THE IRON TRIANGLE (all under one roof): MILITARY, BIG BUSINESS, POLITICS
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.
But what do oil, military partners, depleted uranium wars, and US foreign policy have to do with nuclear weapons? The answer came to me in 1991 when I became a whistleblower at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory near San Francisco, California. Richard Berta, the Western Regional Inspector for the Department of Energy, told me "The Pentagon exists for the oil companies... and the nuclear weapons labs exist for the Pentagon."
To test the radiobiological effects of 4th generation nuclear weapons, which are still under development
To blur and break down the distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons
To make it easier to reintroduce nuclear weapons into the US military arsenal
Today, the US is number one in 4th generation nuclear weapons research and development, followed by Japan and Germany tied for number two, and Russia and other countries follow.
Fuck ALL of you pussy traitors to the United States - you're all a bunch of pale, whiney miscreants. I suppose the US should not have fought Nazi Germany either. Go fuckin' live in China you liberal fascists - especially Obama and Clinton - really top choices, lmao.
swedishfish2: lol, at someone from Sweden calling someone from the United States a racist - typical knee-jerk labeling from a pale 23 yr old socialist. Sweden has plenty of it's own problems and matters little in world affairs - can't even protect itself - what a shame, lol.
you are the biggest fucking retard .. if you open your eyes and read something for a change (granted that u can read), you will realize how iraq isnt anything like freaking nazi germany. its backwards people like you who keep this country from progressing and fighting battles it ACTUALLY needs to fight
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huhuhu555: sigh, yet another inmature hate monger liberal Democrat PUNK throwing insult bombs at people they can't tolerate - fully invested in the defeat of America. Can't get over the fact that President Bush is great and has kicked every pathetic Democrats ass who's tried to beat him. We will try every one of you for treason against the USA. You're too f'in stupid to even bother with - uneducated - face it, tell us how old u r, lol, and where you went to school dickweed?
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!??! or your on crack .. which one is it, cause if your stupid enough to belive that bush is a great president then you MUST be high. have u even SEEN his approval ratings. before u start making attacks on my education you might want to try reading a newspaper some time cause it seems pretty obvious that your the one uneducated. hahahah and if you DO try me for treason know that u'd be trying the majority of the american public for treason.
Amazing that some here have no objection to an obscenely pointless (unless you're in the oil business!) and destructive war, yet feign offense at the words I use to object to this very same war.
Mike1977a1: Kick-ass comment! But beware; I've found sarcasm can be difficult to convey and can fly right over people's heads in this format. In fact, by the halfway point of your comment, I was convinced you must be related to some of the "other" left-wing militarists who have commented. I DO believe that the U.S. military has become a Global Corporate Militia.
mike1977a1 said,"...we will protect them from electing a free government..."
This word, 'FROM' was the giveaway. Should have been, 'TO'. So, mike, what are you really proud of? If your whole comment was just a wash, then I take it you would like us to leave too? You & 'whiteweeney' are the peace-niks here! Ignorant of the military strategies, presently in place there! You would probably tell the whole world our strategies, like The New York Times & endanger our soldiers lives, wouldn't you?
Mike1977a1; I like that type of thinking, yes, but it isn't aggressive thinking either. We both know(not you & I, but the enemy & us)WE HAVE THE SUPERIOR firepower & technology & should be used to our advantage whenever possible. I keep in mind, the concept, 'the best defense, is a good offense'. But, I would like to interject 'suffocating' in place of 'good' most times. Our technology includes not only our brave lads & lassies out there but there night combat capabilities! It is awesome!
Indeed, the Iraq war has many benefits. Like the opportunity to test all these weapons systems of the future so as to insure that they are as dependable as possible when they are finally turned on us!
You are the best candidate, that I know of to ask this very important question to. Now mind you, so far, I know of no one else that would qualify for this question, so consider yourself very special, special indeed. Now for the question;
WHITEWEENY, IF YOU COULD, IF THIS COULD BE DONE, WOULD YOU ASK TO BE ABORTED?
If some of my statements seem to contradict each other, ask youself if I might be using sarcasm. It doesn't convey very well in a "text comment", but I can't avoid trying to use it anyway. Also, isn't it strange that Bush now states that binLaden is insignificant, while the anger of the American people over 9/11 was deceitfully channeled first towards Saddam and, now that he is DEAD, the remaining Iraqis?
whitewolf60; Ask yourself, why is Bush saying Bin Laden is insignificant. Again, you haven't read my comments about Iraq & Afghanistan. Also you sound like those stupid DemocRATs who keep saying," Yeah, I have the Americans voice, because I, THE BIG CHIEF SENATOR SPEAK FOR ALL AMERICANS WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!" Speak only if you understand what the hell is going on, but you don't! Every time you write something your ignorance shows! You say," the remaining Iraqis?" Yeah! SO?
SO, when Iraqis finally retaliate in America in response to their relatives being slaughtered to validate your so-called "brilliant military strategy", DON'T WHINE AND BITCH!
I watched this movie last night.. damn it was a few people- wolferwitz, cheny, bremer and rumsfeld that totally led the ignorance in post Iraq, thats basically caused all these deaths and chaos.
Of course Ron Paul is silenced in the newsmedia. Isn't that great.. somebody willing to not let this happen again is the bad guy.
This was pushing the envlope of history a little far, Kuwait was part of the Ottoman Governorate of Basra ( southern Iraqi provance) and the Turks regarded the Sabah Family as Ottoman goernors even after a new Sheikh, Mubarak Al Sabah - who had killed his two half -brothers agree in 1899 to make Kuwait a protectorate of Britain for (15,000 pound) a year after the overthrow of the Iraqi monarchy in 1958.
1 - Kuwait had "violated" the Kuwaiti - Iraqi frontier and 'stolen" oil worth ($2.4 billion). Kuwait was thieving the resources of the nation whose war machine saved it from Iran's revolution.
2 - Kuwait was cheating on the OPEC oil production Quota system,
in a premeditated and "deliberate" plan to weaken Iraq and undermine its economy and security.(Iraq faced foreign debt repayments of between $30 - $40 billion. " Under OPEC rules, Kuwait maintained a production Quota of 1.5 million Barrels a day But has recently been producing 1.9 million Barrels, the favoured OPEC price had been falling to $14 a barrel from $18 which cost Iraq a $4 billion a year . No one disputed the overproduction by Kuwait.
Saddam acted out of frustration,after several calls to Arab leaders. Arab leaders tried to persuade Kuwait to obey the rules and to stop stealing Iraqi Oil but the Kuwait royal family acted with arrogance toward Saddam, in which made them to believe someone behind all this provocations and most likely America. what appeared that the CIA had secret meeting with Kuwait chief Intelligent Khalid AL Sabah how to provoke Iraq a year before the end of Iraq - Iran War.
Two years after the end of the Gulf war, George Bush Sr, admitted on National TV, America needed a war to revive the economy.
Schwarzkopf's command - were responsible for the My Lia massacre in Vietnam and many more massacre in southern Iraq against Iraqi retreated army after the "ceasefire". No one asked about his dad, of course, the other Norman Schwarzkopf who helped "destroy" Iranian democracy in 1953, along with Kermit Roosevelt and ' Monty' Woodhouse.
can someone tell me where can i find the music in this trailer
Adelmqausi 1 month ago
i wish there was a god...
TrollogyExpert 6 months ago
If you don't understand the importance of wars, take a look at the size of Pentagon & defense industry. How many Americans get their paychecks from them? How many if add oil companies? How big it is if you take Wall Street into account? Americans are living on the blood of their own children and people in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya. How long a civilization preaching luxurious wasteful life style based on greed, fossil fuel and weapons of mass destruction will exist on a resource-meager planet?
360Seek 6 months ago
The Iraqi people have a response to all who do not support regime change. "FUCK YOU!"
Jmsadv 8 months ago
Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld need to go to jail so this never happens again.
TATsNTFUNNY 8 months ago
@TATsNTFUNNY You and Saddam have something in common. Your welcome!
Jmsadv 8 months ago
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TATsNTFUNNY 8 months ago
This entire war just gets my blood boiling....
cochranexyz 9 months ago
This made me mad enough to cry. A brilliant film showing the unbridled stupidity and arrogant abuse of power, a few men and women literally drunk on the blood of many innocent peoples.
DrStrik9 9 months ago
I highly HIGHLY suggest that EVERYONE watch 'Bush's Wars" on PBS (Frontline). Just as good if not better than this important and horrifying documentary.
brothamouzoune 11 months ago
Woah good thing we have so many experienced middle east experts commenting below, I was worried I was in the company of armchair ignoramuses for a moment there!
mozaks80 1 year ago
The end is actually already in sight, and passed. The war is over. We removed the person we originally put in power (Saddam), and put in a new power, which I can only hope will better than the last one we put in power - only time will tell. Some people got rich from it (which is nothing new, as every war had its benefactors).
Time to move on and solve the next debacle we created.
TheRockasaki 1 year ago
@TheRockasaki
The minute the USA leaves Iraq you can expect a coup from Iran supported forces to the current government.
This is a quagmire in every sense of the word
TrailersForthePeople 1 year ago
When is everybody gonna stop and yap about how wrong this was and start indicting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Rice, Gates and all the other war criminals that masterminded the demise of an entire country.
Should you not be busy laying charges in Courts of The Hague against these criminals. Have we not been hiding long enough behind the false protections of the Presidential Office?
Gootch694u 1 year ago
The most incompetent and arrogant administration that ever existed in the USA. The sheer level of incompetence is absolutely amazing. The people knew NOTHING about war and were simply making decisions based on their OWN ASSUMPTIONS, not on the intel or the military knowledge.
It is amazing the magnitude of this failed government and how it will cause the USA to change profoundly. I am shocked of how much amateurism was in the Bush administration.
goma3 1 year ago
@goma3 You are right. I agree 1,000,000 percent. Just the fact the George Bush was Elected after creating this war shows that the Republicans are idiots and the American People dId not do their homework. (It was the American people who re elected Bush) People need to stay playing with SOLDIERS LIVES BY PLAYING THE POLITICAL GAME.
humblemyself 1 year ago
@humblemyself Remember though, it is the Democrat's jobs to win the argument and win the votes. If you want change you cannot just sit there and say you are stupid and you are wrong, you have to PROVE your case and win them to your side. Democrats failed to do that, so it is everyone's fault, not just the Republicans.
Mastershik 1 year ago
@Mastershik First of all, I am not a Demorcrat. Second of all, the Demorcrats didn't have to prove anything to me because I have common sense. If you make decisions based upon someone ELSE proving something to you, you have a hard road cut out for yourself. Everyone is not to blame for people blindly following an idea base on party politics. I was opposed to George Bush and voted that way. So I was right! You were wrong if you didn't act INDEPENDANT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S EVIDENCE!!!!!
humblemyself 1 year ago
@goma3 Not amateuristic at all. Some 45000 defense contractors made a lot of money on this war. I'd say more something like "well planned" Bush didn't know, but Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the other thugs sure did. Bremer was and still is a fool. Rice is just a c%nt, token minority player. Their "incompetence" made many millionaires.
Gootch694u 1 year ago
Really interesting to see in full detail how incompetent/corrupt/stupid the Bush admin was with this war. Great documentary, it i just unfortunate that the people who have caused untold misery to millions of people won't be judged and punished for their crimes. I hope cheney/bush/rummey/wolf blitzer etc all die horrible deaths, sooner rather than later.
peerpressure1999 1 year ago
This documentary was such a eye opener. I knew that things in Iraq were not successful but I did not know to what extent. It is a sad state affairs at so many levels, and for so many involved. Vietnam all over again and I fear this will take decades to be resolved if not more. People have long memories.
mahalcat 1 year ago 2
This was by far the best documentary ive seen on the issue. A must see.
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psytrancegirl 2 years ago
bad karma produces bad results only.the wheel of life will turn back on us
bratvishal 2 years ago
Also, keep in mind that Saddam still had a WMD program and aspired to build a nuclear weapon... once economic sanctions expired or were lifted. France and Russia had pushed lifting economic sanctions on Iraq earlier than the expiration date. France and Russia were Iraq's main trading partners and two of the countries most vehemently against going to war with Iraq.
tubub 2 years ago
We also supplied terroists with weapons
MasterBrutaka 2 years ago 4
Any of the countries in the middle east - in fact the majority of them , still aspire to build nuclear weapons, but Iraq was decades away from achieving even a basic nuclear capability. Israel however, currently has not just 200+ nukes, but - like only 3 other nations have a "survivable" deterrent mechanism of dozens of nukes permanently at undisclosed positions at sea to ensure the ability to respond should the Israeli state suffer defeat or serious setback in a successful surprise attack.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Besides Iran and Pakistan, what evidence do you have that the majority of countries in the ME want to make nukes? Besides your intuition please
Ummm... what? I don't know what your even saying about Israel, it's unintelligible.
Saddam Hussein gassed hundreds of thousands of his own people and used the same nerve agents against Iran. He launched missiles at Iran in one war, and Israel in another. He wanted Iraq to control the Middle East.
What country, besides Iran, compares to that?
tubub 2 years ago
I'll roll with the Annals of Nuclear Energy and Jane's Intelligence which states that Syria, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar and even Oman have acquired missile delivery systems (SCUD) type missiles, and all of those nations, have at one time or another sought nuclear weapons.
Israel, and I'll be clear here, has over 200 nuclear weapons. They also have 3 submarines capable of launching nuclear weapons, in the event Israel itself was over-run by some nation or combination of nations.
proadmin1 2 years ago
1- SCUDs are not nuclear weapons.
2- I wouldn't doubt Syria or Libya seeking nuclear weapons... Egypt is a lot more iffy, but still plausible anyway. Given their history and current foreign policy, those states were not at all the same as the Ba'ath Regime.
3- Discussing Qatar, UAE, and Oman in a military way is pretty funny to say the least. Even Saudia Arabia, which needs to be protected by an umbrella of American military bases, is a laughing matter when it comes to military terms.
tubub 2 years ago
With Israel with that many Nukes it is essential that the arabs gain them as a balance of power.
dave777blaster 2 years ago
This is called "survivability" or "durability" in that like the US, Russia and China, a nuclear response against the aggressor nation, could be launched, days or weeks afterward, ensuring that whatever nation ever attacks (and succeeds) in destroying Israel would itself be decimated in a nuclear reprisal. Of course no nation states have a good response plan to a nuclear weapon detonated by a terrorist organization that could be considered in any way satisfactory. I hope that explains.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Yes, It does explain what you were saying... but I don't see how it really refutes what I originally said.
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator with an aggressive past. He was an idiot but was also bold and daring. Not to mention the fact that he had used WMDs on numerous occasions in the past...
So when it becomes clear he aspired to re-initiate his WMD program once UN sanctions expired, it seems satisfying to know that he was knocked out before a rebuilding regime became a reality.
tubub 2 years ago
We don't as a general rule do very much about atrocities not historically, not today, generally not ever. We clean up, we tend to prevent those problems that are in our interests, but since WW2, in the Iraqi & Vietnamese case, there were no compelling national interests save those conjured by politicians & militarists through manipulation of intelligence in BOTH cases. In Vietnam the game was to inform McNamara's viewpoint , in Iraq the game was to encourage Mr. Bush's personal inclinations.
proadmin1 2 years ago
In the case of Viet Nam, simply put, Russam, McNamara and Bundy were working off of largely incorrect presumptions about the Vietnamese conflict itself, earnestly but incorrectly - as it turns out.
Iraq, it's different, in so far as it is entirely unclear considering the 2nd tier personalities involved. That those individuals informing Mr. Bush's views were working in the interests of the US & here we are today - contemplating similar action against Iran as they develop nuclear capability.
proadmin1 2 years ago
While conservative elements of the Israeli body politic are extraordinarily concerned about Iran.
Iran simply is defiant, 5 nations in Iran's region already have nuclear weapons, there is a second arms race, and that does suck, but if we wanted to be serious about counter-proliferation we needed to be doing so consistently 25 years ago. Today it is more than a little late, so US (not Israeli) economic interests, oil/gas price stability specifically, must take precedence over others concerns.
proadmin1 2 years ago
SCUD - Type 3 missiles (the most common type) can carry small payloads inaccurately up to 500-800 nautical miles. These missiles could easily include a small "gun-type" Hiroshima style weapon of modern design.
Largely the states in the "lower tier" were not acquiring nuclear weapons for reasons all that far removed from simple Bourgeois impulse ( simply to know they have one ), like a new Bentley or Porsche only with more gamma ray output & generally not from a warranted military viewpoint.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Americans murdered 10 million North American Indians should they be flattened too?
dave777blaster 2 years ago
Well, you could get into an argument as to whether some action or another is moral. I think for the purpose of practicality it's not so much that some historical nastiness occurred, rather that we do what we can - to prevent such a recurrence in the future. That to me, seems far, far more useful than reparations nonsense, which leads to worrying about whether 10 years at Dachau is worth 4$ on the hour or 5$ and implies that abject suffering and degeneracy is simply an "overhead" cost.
proadmin1 2 years ago
perhaps the u.s just rat them out after selling them the nukes themselfs, after all we are the biggest providers for their training and arsenal, we are the largest dead machine in the history of the world, and we haven't even started.
psytrancegirl 2 years ago
Its for much more than oil reserves. IF you find someone only playing one factor into a decision, they are likely NOT thinking properly or thoroughly through the problem. There are many factors to a decision.... the decision to invade Iraq was partly based on the fact that it would open up Iraq's oil to the global market and slash and kind of subsidies or restrictions its economy had in place.
tubub 2 years ago
Fox Connor once said of war, Never fight alone, never fight for very long & fight with everything you've got. We didn't do that.
Had we done so things might have been very different. War in this case has not satisfied the long term US objective of stability, upon leaving it's entirely unclear the situation will be stable, or even whether Iraq constitutes a viable state any longer, it's #3 or 4 on the failed states list for it's economic collapse despite massive US inputs of aid and troops.
proadmin1 2 years ago
We didn't fight alone, a lot of our allies were uncommited and sent few troops(ie Spain left after terrorist attacks) but the Brits certainly were in the war with us. I don't know why'd you want to fight briefly and with everything you have... You couldn't respond to a disaster elsewhere.
How can you say that when Iraq murder rates and crime rates have reached pre-war levels? Iraq is currently high on the failed states list, but it is slowly lowering itself... that is not a static thing.
tubub 2 years ago
I think the question at the end of the day is given the unlikely prospect of an Iraqi regime friendly to US interests and much more like Iran in terms of our relations, was the cost worth it. We did not serve longer term interests, the Iraqi people certainly won't be thanking us for our service any time soon, and the level of radioactive contamination throughout Iraq through indiscriminate use of DU, is a permanent ecological disaster.
proadmin1 2 years ago
The US and Iran have completely severed diplomatic relations... On the other hand, Iraq and the US were able to negotiate a mandate friendly to both of our interests. Relations between our two nations are strong(so much so that in discussions similar to this one people regularly claim Iraq is a puppet state of America)
Many Iraqis have thanked America. I wont fool myself into believing the mission was prestine,but to say that Iraq will increasingly feel ill towards the US is a false statement.
tubub 2 years ago
Keep in mind this movie is liberally biased in a time when there was a much different situation in Iraq. Now, while I don't deny that the invasion was profligate action that was done with basless motivations, the ends have essentially met the means... while a Colin Powell approach would've been much more effective and saved countless lives, history is history and all we can do is learn from its mistakes and advert them in the future.
Your conclusion that war is fruitless is far from the mark
tubub 2 years ago
Now, I don't believe there is any phsical Saddam-Al Qaida connection. But Al-Zarqawi was in Iraq in 2002, and Al Qaida did have a presence in the country... was it as large as it was after the invasion? Certainly not. But the battle of Iraq was still a battlefield and political defeat for AQ. They have failed in their attempt to incite a civil war and are being driven to destruction. The Sunni Tribes that initially embraced them have turned against them and now side with the Free government.
tubub 2 years ago
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Gates is Bushs Secretary of Defence!
By choosing the opposition partys Secretary of Defence, Obama is proclaiming that there is not a single Democrat suitable for taking the position, and therefore he must take the oppositions choice to fill this cabinet position. This means not only does he approve of Bushs war policies, but that he also intends to continue along the lines of his predecessor.
LoveAndLiberty1776 2 years ago
the iraq war was never meant to be won just sustained so the iraqis kill themselves off and it gets divided and given to the corporations who will then rape and pillage all of its resourcers
fabsywabsy 3 years ago 3
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what are you trying to prove, that YOUr really important and somehow YOU know what's going on in Iraq? Wow, you must have a lot of insight from your vast amount of experience...
tubub 3 years ago
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your right. It doesn't show all the bravery displayed by thousands of troops on the ground, some which will never get to tell their story.
tubub 3 years ago
Do they get paid for this great bravery, which consists of walking around encased in body armor
covertbabo10 3 years ago
i didnt know wearing body armor made you a coward
tubub 3 years ago
Also the millions of innocent civilians that these troops have killed will NEVER get a second chance to live! What futile war ... as all know now Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 ... its evident this war was only for its oil reserves ... to quench America's thirst for oil. Just put yourself and your family in an Iraqi family's shoes and think what they are going through.
People high up in American administration simply used the US military and the Iraqi civilians on their real life "Chess Board"
shishirjaiswal 2 years ago
1- The statistic of Iraqi casualities is much, much lower. The highest ESTIMATES ranged over a million, but the Iraqi Health Ministry released all Iraqi casualities for 2005 and it was a figure of 85-90 thousand... Still a large sum, but not "millions".
2- Many factors play into war. If the planners didn't factor in the fact that Iraq had oil, I would certainly wag my finger
3- What are you basing that on? Chess board? Sounds like you made it up
4- Iraq had a lot to do with 9/11
tubub 2 years ago
Well, I'll address your last point first. With respect to 9/11, certainly Mr. Hussein was no friend of US interests, but he was a secular dictator not unlike Musharraf in Egypt and had NO intention of playing with fire. Elements in the Bush administration (notably Mr. Perle and Cheney) strongly advocated that a single alleged meeting may have taken place in Vienna / Prague Al-Queda & Iraqi agents - but even with access to Iraqi intelligence apparatus - post invasion, this could not be verified.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Saddam had risen to power and ruled his early years as a secular year. But just by looking at his statements, you can see he was increasingly using religion as a political tool as his regime years came to a close.
Victory will be ours soon. Iraqis will strike the necks as God has commanded you."
(Speaking to his troops as American and coalition troops declare war on Iraq)
Earlier, his statements to troops appealed to honor and strength of Iraq, not of the Islamic religion.
tubub 2 years ago
Secondly , the casualties in Iraq are manifold. In researching this concern, this movie's point about the logistical & personnel shortcomings lead directly to the destruction of iraqi civil society , the question is not - oh it was only X amount so it's not so bad, the question is what were the motivations for this war. I've read far too much on the subject and the reasoning - pre-war is unambiguous is that while we were not be able to create peace, we can certainly destroy nations.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Lastly - it is the entirely uncomfortable fact that the US interests in the Mid-east are primarily STABILITY, for oil and gas resource markets. Therefore M.E. warfare is inconsistent with our basic national interest, Israeli Likud interests however expressed Iraqi destablization as their #1 priority. Enter Mr. Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney & an ingenue President Bush.
It would be almost comforting to dismiss such observations as racist were there not such a profusion of evidence for such activity.
proadmin1 2 years ago
3. Chess Board too used figuratively ... Bush administration, sitting in their plush comfortable offices, under the security of secret service sending orders to men, basically using and sacrificing them at will to checkmate the opponent ... isnt that chess?
4. If you have seen the documentary and read/heared/watched the news, people in Bush administration as well as in other agencies have said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and never had any WMDs!
Isn't Iraq an example of American terrorism?
shishirjaiswal 2 years ago 2
Checkmate the opponent? How is bringing stability in Iraq only a check? And yes, I agree... decision makers without real military or combat service that use soldiers as toys is part of the reason we're in this mess. Only if McCain had won in 2000....
I have seen the documentary... Am I a representative of the Bush administration? Saddam didn't have WMD's in 2003.. But a battle to cripple Al Qaida, the organization responsible for 9/11, is a battle that has something to do with 9/11.
-.- no
tubub 2 years ago
Well this is a futile discussion b/w you and me now ... just like the war itself. Neither you are going to budge from your stand nor am I
And yes, it is a form of american terrorism to an unbiased eye.
shishirjaiswal 2 years ago
It depends on how you define terrorism.
tubub 2 years ago
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As a Muslim I am happy the shoes were bulls eye. i.e did not touch Bush. However the second shoe should have been on puppet Maliki
Muslims have stood in shame how an invader an occupier was not given hell. This journalist is D hero of Muslim world & any Muslim should be proud of how he treated an occupier.
Hands off! any one dares to prison or harm this journalist HERO OF ISLAM
Can Bush Blair be extradited to The Hague? Absence Justice this was best action.
BRAVO, This Journalist!
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Amen Brother, AMEN.
FedFarmer 3 years ago
You should all make an atempt to watch this movie.
The ultimate truth about the Iraqi war. It will make you sick to learn how we lived under a regime that was worse than Saddams Regime. George Bush and his buddies.
Its amazing how much they got away with. George Bush, and all of his buddies should go on trial just like Saddam did.......for murdering more than 600 thousand inocent people and costing the US 1.25 Triliion dollars for a stupid war.
We are all paying for it now.
mtchoban 3 years ago
yea Bush gave em freedom
Pertikis 3 years ago
The security agreement between the master and his slave
The Master
1- American forces control the land,sea and the air
2- American forces have the right to go after any Iraqi under the excuse of supporting terrorism
3- American forces immune from prosecution in Iraq
4-American Oil companies controls all the Iraqi oil fields
5- Establishing over 50 military bases in Iraq
6- American forces in Iraq have every right to go after any country under the excuse of helping terrorism( protecting Israel
angham01 3 years ago 3
The security agreement between the US and Iraq
1) US must leave Iraq by Jan. 1 2012
2) US can only conduct operations when approved by Iraqi courts
3) US will close all American bases by Jan 1 2012
4) US forces subject to cout martial
5) Iraq controls it's own oil fields
6) US soldiers in war in Iraq and Afghanistan, not in Israel
Read a book sometime tard
tubub 3 years ago
It's important to remember that that is the close to the existing agreement, but that the US pushed for permanent (US) corporate contracts for oil resource extraction, immunity from prosecution for US contractors and personnel and permanent military bases. All of which were totally unacceptable to the Iraqi people.
proadmin1 2 years ago
1 Permanent US bases were the idea when the US thought Iraq would be in chaos for decades. The mentality was that is would be similar to the War in the Philipinnes in the late 19/early 20 century, when we occupied the nation for decades.
2 Iraq has a free market. Foreign oil investment is very much a reality.
3 Yeah, I never understand the immunity for private contractors.
And yes, in the end it is in the Iraqi people's hands as to the future of their country. They now enjoy freedom.
tubub 2 years ago
The slave
1-have the right to control the under ground to bury their nation
2-have the right to be arrested, beaten, raped, and killed
3-have the right to spend years in prison without charges
4-have the right to beg for piece of bread
5-have the right to establish 50 new grave yards
6-have the right to die if the attacked countries retaliated (Iraqis dying for Israel)
Is this a SOVEREIGN nation called iraq or a COLONY
angham01 3 years ago
what a fuckin joke, no mention of the zionist rats planning back in 96, to send american get killed in ME for securing the shitland israel. google, " a clean break". zionists bankrupted US for good, that's a fact.
a0sn 3 years ago
ur a dik nigga them arbs bankrupted america i put death on all dem niggas
flazy 3 years ago
After a recent trip to the mid east and europe Democrat Senator Barack Obama agrees that the surge in Iraq was a success and that the Us is winning the war.
tg101393 3 years ago
United States of America is not a democratic country, its a polyarchy...
swedishfish2 3 years ago
Its true.
ModerSverige 3 years ago
3.8 million votes where not counted in the 2000 election....they were deemed "glitched" and ended up being put aside....96% of those votes were cast by minorities.....margin of victory was 120,000 and Bush won....4 billion dollars in debt in 8 years...education, health care still pure garbage....barrel of oil when bush took office $35....today $139....widest gap between rich and poor since 1950's...top 1% of people control 73% all wealth in this country....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....
swedishfish2 3 years ago
But the steepest incline or oil and steepest decline of the economy occured the past two years (since democrats controlled Congress) This may surprise many becuase proir to the 2006 elections Nancy Pelosi said Democrats had a "commom sense plan" to lower the price of oil. Democrats controlled Congress 4 2 years and the "common sense' bill hasn't even been wrtiien yet. Since she said democrats had a 'common sense plan" for lower oil prices the proce of a gallon of gas went up $2.25!
tg101393 3 years ago
Economist warned of a coming mortgage collapse at least 6 months before Democrats took control of congress, plus they have not had control for 2 years yet and bush vetos theire efforts to change things for the better
rydar1978 3 years ago
What did Bish veto?
tg101393 3 years ago
u r rite bush did fuk everything upp
ppl say dat da votes werent counted (all bullshit)if obama wont winn theyll say da same just like dey said bush knocked down da towers
but yea bush has a very bad history with even the non employment rates (dats sum crazy shit) tax goes up but we get less service
flazy 3 years ago
do you even realize how incredibly ignorant you sound?
gijoezorad 3 years ago
Bush certainly screwed up the education system. Half of you can't even string a sentence together.
Cadrat2006 3 years ago
fuck the united states! 4 real man, the world is so fed up with ur shit, if u people dont stand the fuck up to do somethin, u will get ur asses to bleed!
all u do is eat burgers and watch tv to get brainwashed...
stop killin babies, stop it right noW, stand the fuck UP and fight for the rights of humanity.. we dont want to b rich, we want peace! we want food! we want to see the US selfdestruct right now
graffantipubli 3 years ago
Bush and Republicans are actually agaisnt abortion. It is democrats who support the murder of an innocent babies.
tg101393 3 years ago
A woman has the right to complete control over her body. If she's not ready to have a child, she must be granted the right to remove it.
Markunator 3 years ago
That seems like the child (which is dependant on the mother but is its own human being) has no rights at all. Thats not fair. If the mother could die from delivering that baby then I think she should have the option of abortion. But if there is no unusual ring, then no.
tg101393 3 years ago
It is a very sensitive topic, abortion is.. I still think the mother has the right and common sense to determine whether or not to go on with a pregnancy.
Having a cousin who is a young mother of two daughters.. I see her life trembling in front of her. She does not has a uni degree (her husband does not allow her to) no social life or permanent job (too busy raising her 2 young children) while husband does low skilled job which basically does not provide enough for the family.
bellynellykelly 3 years ago
It is very heartbreaking for my extended family to see such a young, radiant young woman changed "overnight" into a depressed, unsuffixed young mother.
Other than health issue, there are other issues related to whether or not it is better for a couple or for a mother to have children.. social, economical, cultural. Until your family is a victim of abortion being called "illegal", you never know how painful it is...
bellynellykelly 3 years ago
They should be sad and in pain. They killed a baby!
tg101393 3 years ago
though i dont believe this, i will just make the arguement for you that suicide is technically illegal and so killing a living human being inside you or not could be considered murder.
Again, I don't actually believe this. I believe that a woman has a choice though a line should be made as to where the baby is no longer a stack of cells and is now a human.
tubub 3 years ago
Keep your legs closed and you won't need to kill another human being.
Cadrat2006 3 years ago
Yeah, OR you can use birth control, like most normal people would do. People WANT to have sex.
Markunator 3 years ago
az101010, no it definitely is not about ignoring the Iragis. In fact the movie says it was a mistake to do so. Did you watch the movie? If not, highly recommended. It just came out like recently. The movie takes in the facts and of course you figure on the whole thing. It seems like they (bush and co.) needed to make these "mistakes" to get to the oil.
munsterr777 3 years ago
are the looney tunes trying to say we should have ignored the iraq citizens and only fought al-Qaeda and the other jihadists flowing into the place? do the looney tunes even know what they are trying to say? this video never says one thing about anything other than clips of people have problems.. this is kind of dumb..
az101010 3 years ago
It's just corruption az. They bought themselves time to steal the oil, which nobody in the media has EVER focused on, and when they're done, leave the country in whatever condition, they DON"T care about people and life, they care
about themselves only, just like saddam. This movie is
great to see what they did to secure the oil, and the testimony is there to solidify the facts that, once again, the
media doesn't focus on for, hmmm, some reason.
munsterr777 3 years ago
munsterr- yes it was caos when we first went in there- we all know this.. we all expected that.. what's the hidden looney tune message of this video?
az101010 3 years ago
Why aren't you releasing this in the UK?!!! Speak up! I called you and you told me nothing. You basically said you didn't know. What gives man?
PurushaDesa 3 years ago
This is disgusting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
veedeeou 3 years ago
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it's unbelievable how little attention people pay, obama voted to fund the war 3 times may 2005, dec 2005, and june 2006, and also in june 2006 obama rejected a bill the would force bush to bring the troops home within 1 year. Research his voting record for yourself. wake up, Ron Paul is the only canidate who truely opposes the iraq war and has the voting record to prove it.
bigmacattack05 3 years ago
Cadrat doing his ush lol. This movie is fantastical go rent it or something... and Cadrat, go see it. I highly doubt you have and hey, you can lie to people on youtube all you want but seriously go see it
tubub 3 years ago
Tubby is still a Tosser
Cadrat2006 3 years ago
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"IROQ"
Search for IROQ to see the most ridiculous video on youtube - an Iraqi gangsta rapper that thinks he's the Arab Tupac. I am still laughing.
Is it Ali G?
MASTERCHIEFKILLAZ 3 years ago
theEdge1983 said,"would be best for the economy, and both replied Obama."
The economy is important, yes... but ...
it really doesn't matter... really, if ...
one is dead... now does it?
Hillary or Obama can't even begin to know how to protect this country!
I am looking at this by priorities, Ok? These are important; economy, teachers, unions, gas prices, etc, etc, etc, or death? See? Nothing is really important or cared about, if you are dead!
jefeisdguard 3 years ago
God! This is a tragedy for Iraq and the common people of the US. The poor soldiers sent to die in Iraq for the incompetence or bad will or their leaders is a tragedy, but most tragic is the destruction of a country, Iraq. I am not American, but I fear the hate produced by this conflict. May God enlighten the future president of the US to stop the suffering of the Iraqi people and their own.
xamvex 3 years ago
this whole world seems to be going down the tubes fast it seems we are in a big mess. i am still somewhat hopeful that we can turn this around. my genes refuse to allow me to submit or lie down without a fight to the end.
zrodn001 3 years ago
hillary clintons new video
"NAFTA is proving its worth"
take a look at:
watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
theEdge1983 3 years ago
The US struggled to fight against guerrila tactics in Viet Nam. Russia had similar struggles in Afganistan. The US war with Iraq will be no different this time.
We know what happens when a dictatorship leaves in an ethnically diverse region from looking at the Soviet withdrawal from Eastern Europe. Ethnic infighting, chaos, and eventual division of nations into smaller ones. This will take time.
What a mess.
nathanwilefrazier 3 years ago
This was a brilliant documentary in both content and presentation.
gmactera 3 years ago
i have a serious problem with this film. in the first 8 minutes of the film they show footage of the pentagon and a fireball with no plane hitting pentagon from actual pentagon security footage. billions no trillions of my tax dollars are being wasted on security and defense but yet i see no plane. they claim they have no other security cameras to capture this incident. it makes the conspiracy's circling more valid. they show a film with no plane hitting pentagon. i am really pissed off.
zrodn001 3 years ago
wow you've just worked out that your being ripped off??
This "war on Terror" has been going on for a while now and it seems that the world is heading for a catastrophic recession. Food crisis and economic pain for many families.
good 'ol USA for keeping our world safe and healthy. FUCK THE USA!!!
Cadrat2006 3 years ago
no actually im in shock that they think they can show factual footage from a third party authenticated without some "conspiracy type individual authentication "of an explosion without any perception in clear site of a plane colliding with pentagon. the film is in a major video rental chain. if they cant film actual proof or deny anyone the opportunity to debate about it, lends credence to anyone with a suspicion or so called "conspiracy" anyway im for incarceration as opposed to impeachment
zrodn001 3 years ago
I just watched this film. Very good, that is insightful and a level of honesty we don't usually get. To be honest, it made me ashamed, the more and more I research our country's recent history, the more I think that after college I will leave here.
Laser132798 3 years ago
Great film. I actually had to pause it because I was getting so pissed off at the sheer incompetence of it all. I was left with the impression that it actually could have worked. The powers that be REALLY REALLY REALLY f-ed this up, and it didn't have to be this way :(
jimmyk1111 3 years ago 2
this was a great film
AngryAgain 3 years ago 2
This moron MoveOn labels me a PUSSY! HA HA!! Well I served in Iraq, it sure seemed my country needed me back then didn't it? Like I said before, if you got such a hard on for Bush and his wars, go enlist and fight in them, put up or shut up!!!
SteelRain1987 3 years ago
MoveOn you obviously have no grasp of history do you?? Germany declared war on us, and as we knew that Nazi Germany was a real threat (unlike Iraq) we went over there and soundly defeated them with help from our allies, all in 4 years, what is it coming to in Iraq? Five years now and we are still clueless?? Bush is one of the worst most incompetant Presidents we have ever had, you need to really wake up. You must be another coward who wants everyone else to do their fighting for them, how sad.
SteelRain1987 3 years ago 2
Sorry it was the russian army who soundly defeated the nazis, with a little help from the western allies, but yea america cant defeat the insurgents , kill some , contain them, but not destroy them !!!
onlygoodhunsadeadun 3 years ago
Listen to all of you. You're all like a pack of animals. Thats why there is "No End In Sight". Because all you idiots are only interested in your own personal views/beliefs. And seeing who can throw the biggest insults to piss the other party off.
If so many of you have all the fucking answers then why doesn't someone stand up??
Moveon......climb out of Bush's arse and open your eyes.
Cadrat2006 3 years ago
If somting like this happend in Francia, the people probabily will make protest with no end till the goverment di the rigth thing. (sorry about my inglish). People in USA need to move and wen i mean move, i mean hundreds of tousands people in each impotant city making protest and burning tires in the streets and making a lot of noise but people in America live their lifes with fear and they fear their goverments, in other contries, the goverment fear the people thats the way it's suposed to be.
gemsyjoe 3 years ago 3
we fear no one but are heavily in debt. it seems the more information that surfaces points to an evil master on top. this government will have 290 million pissed off and burnt out citizens. trust me they have a lot to worry about. you have military, doctors, lawyers, judges, municipal and local authority watching them carefully waiting for them to fuck up. trust me. i wouldn't be surprised if the president and his whole cabinet gets impeached.
zrodn001 3 years ago
looks fair, but I think that it's not only the US Gov fault, it's our fault too, Irqis
Baghdood 3 years ago
Why is Iraq in Chaos? Ron Paul will give you the answers you seek..
jbiddleston 3 years ago
Bush is the worst President in history, such an incompetant administration led to the myriad of mistakes in Iraq and our troops are dying every day because of this total lack of planning by this arrogant administration, how anyone can support this Pres. and make excuses for him is beyond me, and by the way, I served in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with the Army in SW Baghdad, I realized within the forst two months of my tour that this war was BS and a sh*thole country like Iraq was never a threat.
SteelRain1987 3 years ago 2
As an Iraqi, Don't refer to Iraq as sh..hole but the A..hole America made Iraq like that for 13yrs Am committed"Genocide" and decimated Iraq conducted over 150,000 air raids "after" the end of the 1G Oil War 1991.Iraq was NOT a 3rd world country before 1991but developed country bcz of that America and Briton conspired with the Kuwaitis to destroy Iraq.Hey did you help your buddies steal our RED Mercury, Oil and other resources? How many flowers did you get from us.What did you find in our homes?
angham01 3 years ago
You won't change my impression of Iraq, no I didn't steal your RED Mercury (?), I got no flowers from you, I found nothing in your homes, one thing I noticed though, the Muslim homes were disgusting, very dirty and unkept, the homes of Christain Iraqis, spotless and orderly, now why is that?
SteelRain1987 3 years ago
Hey StealRain, you forget to mention one more thing "terrorists" I'm surprised!! Did you try to teach them how to be clean and civilized too? Just like how you civilized the natives Red Indians !!. I'm glad our Christain brothers gave the good impression so they won't be killed too, may be the Muslims should learn the trick from the Christain so their lives could be spared from the trigger happy U.S soldiers. You, the white people need to get over your racist mind.
angham01 3 years ago
Hey it's not my fault the Muslims live like pigs, the very animal they hate!! You know we tried to tell them that they can't sh*t all over the house, and too clean up, but of course we were ignored.
SteelRain1987 3 years ago
Hey SteelRain,
We should call them Shit kickers or White trash.
angham01 3 years ago
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Steelrain1987: yet another inmature hate monger liberal Democrat PUNK throwing insult bombs at people they can't tolerate - fully invested in the defeat of America. Can't get over the fact that President Bush is great and has kicked every pathetic Democrats ass who's tried to beat him. We will try every one of you for treason against the USA. You're too f'in stupid to even bother with - uneducated - face it, tell us how old u r, lol, and where you went to school dickweed?
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
wow man you arent even smart enough to come up with more than one comment. you copy and paste it for numerous people. hahahaha your even more stupid than i thought
huhuhu555 3 years ago
MoveOnDotOrgg, a CUT N PASTE right winger. Kind of like Fox news aye? Damn you right-wingers are so clueless that it is insane. You people are like a cult. Did you watch the clip moron? Even if you did you'd not see the facts.
UTBESUX 3 years ago
MoveOn, STFU!!!, I served in Iraq, I'm sure you didn't (typical of many Bushbots), I saw the reality, you didn't, you believe any BS Bush will throw you, grow up and start thinking a bit will ya? If you support this war so much than go fight in it, put up or shut up!!! Until then go back to sucking Bush's dick!!!
SteelRain1987 3 years ago 11
@MoveOn: As Steelrain said, fight your own damn wars. You would rather let others die and fight for your wars while you stay back and do the drum rolls. AND YOU HAVE THE FUCKING AUDACITY TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE TRAITORS?
JCMac777 3 years ago 2
Goddamn son, you are one pathetic son of a bitch.
JCMac777 3 years ago
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Look at all these liberal fascists - y'all can move to China if you don't like it here. President Bush is a great President and history will prove him right. Sundance - peace , love and Ted Kennedy.
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
HAHHAHAHAHHA hey buddy what world do you live in?!?!??!?! its ignorant people like YOU turn a blind eye to every evidence that shows that bush is a fucking moron like YOU
huhuhu555 3 years ago
In 1990,the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority(UKAEA)wrote a report warning about the potential health and environmental catastrophe from the use of DU weapons. The health effects had been known for a long time. The report sent to the UK government warned "in their estimation, if 50 tonnes of residual DU dust remained 'in the region' there could be half a million extra cancers by the end of the century [2000]." Estimates of depleted uranium weapons used in 1991,now range from the Pentagon's
angham01 3 years ago
admitted 325 tons, to other scientific bodies who put the figure as high as 900 tons. That would make the number of estimated cancers as high as 9,000,000, depending on the amount used in the 1991 Gulf War. In the 2003 Gulf War, estimates of 2200 tons have been given — causing about 22,000,000 new cancer cases. Altogether the total number of cancer patients estimated using the UKAEA data would be 25,250,000. In July of 1998, the CIA estimated the population of Iraq to be approximately 24,683,313
angham01 3 years ago
THE DEEPER PURPOSE: G*O*D* [Gold, Oil, and Drugs]
"We must become the owners, or at any rate the controllers at the source, of at least a proportion of the oil which we require." (British Royal Commission, agreeing with Winston Churchill's policy towards Iraq 1913).
"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
(US President George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, Sep. 25, 2000).
angham01 3 years ago
THE IRON TRIANGLE (all under one roof): MILITARY, BIG BUSINESS, POLITICS
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
angham01 3 years ago 2
But what do oil, military partners, depleted uranium wars, and US foreign policy have to do with nuclear weapons? The answer came to me in 1991 when I became a whistleblower at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory near San Francisco, California. Richard Berta, the Western Regional Inspector for the Department of Energy, told me "The Pentagon exists for the oil companies... and the nuclear weapons labs exist for the Pentagon."
angham01 3 years ago
DU was used beginning in 1991 for three reasons:
To test the radiobiological effects of 4th generation nuclear weapons, which are still under development
To blur and break down the distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons
To make it easier to reintroduce nuclear weapons into the US military arsenal
Today, the US is number one in 4th generation nuclear weapons research and development, followed by Japan and Germany tied for number two, and Russia and other countries follow.
angham01 3 years ago
Fuck ALL of you pussy traitors to the United States - you're all a bunch of pale, whiney miscreants. I suppose the US should not have fought Nazi Germany either. Go fuckin' live in China you liberal fascists - especially Obama and Clinton - really top choices, lmao.
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
i suggest u go back 2 school and learn something u racist pasty ignorant white trash!!!!!!!!!!!
swedishfish2 3 years ago 4
swedishfish2: lol, at someone from Sweden calling someone from the United States a racist - typical knee-jerk labeling from a pale 23 yr old socialist. Sweden has plenty of it's own problems and matters little in world affairs - can't even protect itself - what a shame, lol.
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
you are the biggest fucking retard .. if you open your eyes and read something for a change (granted that u can read), you will realize how iraq isnt anything like freaking nazi germany. its backwards people like you who keep this country from progressing and fighting battles it ACTUALLY needs to fight
huhuhu555 3 years ago
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huhuhu555: sigh, yet another inmature hate monger liberal Democrat PUNK throwing insult bombs at people they can't tolerate - fully invested in the defeat of America. Can't get over the fact that President Bush is great and has kicked every pathetic Democrats ass who's tried to beat him. We will try every one of you for treason against the USA. You're too f'in stupid to even bother with - uneducated - face it, tell us how old u r, lol, and where you went to school dickweed?
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!??! or your on crack .. which one is it, cause if your stupid enough to belive that bush is a great president then you MUST be high. have u even SEEN his approval ratings. before u start making attacks on my education you might want to try reading a newspaper some time cause it seems pretty obvious that your the one uneducated. hahahah and if you DO try me for treason know that u'd be trying the majority of the american public for treason.
huhuhu555 3 years ago
Amazing that some here have no objection to an obscenely pointless (unless you're in the oil business!) and destructive war, yet feign offense at the words I use to object to this very same war.
whitewolf60 4 years ago
Mike1977a1: Kick-ass comment! But beware; I've found sarcasm can be difficult to convey and can fly right over people's heads in this format. In fact, by the halfway point of your comment, I was convinced you must be related to some of the "other" left-wing militarists who have commented. I DO believe that the U.S. military has become a Global Corporate Militia.
whitewolf60 4 years ago
Yes i was being totally sarcastic, im glad someone understands sarcasm :)
Mike1977a1 4 years ago
mike1977a1 said,"...we will protect them from electing a free government..."
This word, 'FROM' was the giveaway. Should have been, 'TO'. So, mike, what are you really proud of? If your whole comment was just a wash, then I take it you would like us to leave too? You & 'whiteweeney' are the peace-niks here! Ignorant of the military strategies, presently in place there! You would probably tell the whole world our strategies, like The New York Times & endanger our soldiers lives, wouldn't you?
jefeisdguard 4 years ago
I think their stategy is to pull back into well defended megabases rather than have troops spread out and vunerable to gorilla attacks.
When the correct people are installed in the puppet government US & UK will withdraw through the golf.
Mike1977a1 4 years ago
Mike1977a1; I like that type of thinking, yes, but it isn't aggressive thinking either. We both know(not you & I, but the enemy & us)WE HAVE THE SUPERIOR firepower & technology & should be used to our advantage whenever possible. I keep in mind, the concept, 'the best defense, is a good offense'. But, I would like to interject 'suffocating' in place of 'good' most times. Our technology includes not only our brave lads & lassies out there but there night combat capabilities! It is awesome!
jefeisdguard 4 years ago
Indeed, the Iraq war has many benefits. Like the opportunity to test all these weapons systems of the future so as to insure that they are as dependable as possible when they are finally turned on us!
whitewolf60 4 years ago
Again, jefeisdguard, I could picture you setting a Ferrari on fire, then pissing on it and proclaiming the pissing a "brilliant strategy".
whitewolf60 4 years ago
whiteweeney;
You are the best candidate, that I know of to ask this very important question to. Now mind you, so far, I know of no one else that would qualify for this question, so consider yourself very special, special indeed. Now for the question;
WHITEWEENY, IF YOU COULD, IF THIS COULD BE DONE, WOULD YOU ASK TO BE ABORTED?
jefeisdguard 4 years ago
OBAMA '08
Thesouthman 4 years ago
Tubby's chucked another tantrum.
Cadrat2006 4 years ago
If some of my statements seem to contradict each other, ask youself if I might be using sarcasm. It doesn't convey very well in a "text comment", but I can't avoid trying to use it anyway. Also, isn't it strange that Bush now states that binLaden is insignificant, while the anger of the American people over 9/11 was deceitfully channeled first towards Saddam and, now that he is DEAD, the remaining Iraqis?
whitewolf60 4 years ago
whitewolf60; Ask yourself, why is Bush saying Bin Laden is insignificant. Again, you haven't read my comments about Iraq & Afghanistan. Also you sound like those stupid DemocRATs who keep saying," Yeah, I have the Americans voice, because I, THE BIG CHIEF SENATOR SPEAK FOR ALL AMERICANS WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!" Speak only if you understand what the hell is going on, but you don't! Every time you write something your ignorance shows! You say," the remaining Iraqis?" Yeah! SO?
jefeisdguard 4 years ago
SO, when Iraqis finally retaliate in America in response to their relatives being slaughtered to validate your so-called "brilliant military strategy", DON'T WHINE AND BITCH!
whitewolf60 3 years ago
I watched this movie last night.. damn it was a few people- wolferwitz, cheny, bremer and rumsfeld that totally led the ignorance in post Iraq, thats basically caused all these deaths and chaos.
Of course Ron Paul is silenced in the newsmedia. Isn't that great.. somebody willing to not let this happen again is the bad guy.
personage2007 4 years ago
This was pushing the envlope of history a little far, Kuwait was part of the Ottoman Governorate of Basra ( southern Iraqi provance) and the Turks regarded the Sabah Family as Ottoman goernors even after a new Sheikh, Mubarak Al Sabah - who had killed his two half -brothers agree in 1899 to make Kuwait a protectorate of Britain for (15,000 pound) a year after the overthrow of the Iraqi monarchy in 1958.
angham01 4 years ago
THE INDEPENDENT, July 19th, 1990 Robert Fisk
1 - Kuwait had "violated" the Kuwaiti - Iraqi frontier and 'stolen" oil worth ($2.4 billion). Kuwait was thieving the resources of the nation whose war machine saved it from Iran's revolution.
2 - Kuwait was cheating on the OPEC oil production Quota system,
angham01 4 years ago
in a premeditated and "deliberate" plan to weaken Iraq and undermine its economy and security.(Iraq faced foreign debt repayments of between $30 - $40 billion. " Under OPEC rules, Kuwait maintained a production Quota of 1.5 million Barrels a day But has recently been producing 1.9 million Barrels, the favoured OPEC price had been falling to $14 a barrel from $18 which cost Iraq a $4 billion a year . No one disputed the overproduction by Kuwait.
angham01 4 years ago
Saddam acted out of frustration,after several calls to Arab leaders. Arab leaders tried to persuade Kuwait to obey the rules and to stop stealing Iraqi Oil but the Kuwait royal family acted with arrogance toward Saddam, in which made them to believe someone behind all this provocations and most likely America. what appeared that the CIA had secret meeting with Kuwait chief Intelligent Khalid AL Sabah how to provoke Iraq a year before the end of Iraq - Iran War.
angham01 4 years ago
Two years after the end of the Gulf war, George Bush Sr, admitted on National TV, America needed a war to revive the economy.
Schwarzkopf's command - were responsible for the My Lia massacre in Vietnam and many more massacre in southern Iraq against Iraqi retreated army after the "ceasefire". No one asked about his dad, of course, the other Norman Schwarzkopf who helped "destroy" Iranian democracy in 1953, along with Kermit Roosevelt and ' Monty' Woodhouse.
angham01 4 years ago