Christians hate Spong because they can't detract anything he says. The only logical comeback is a personal attack. Spong uses what most Christians do not use, a brain to think.
News flash : Turns out Harold Camping was right after all! The Rapture DID happen right when he said it would. About 30 people vanished without a trace. Notice that October31st1517, PeripheralMan, Keruaran and others have been active within a couple weeks before the date of this post. Guess you missed the train! Ooops?
@October31st1517 My point is that someone comes along that has a sensible, reasoned interpretation of how a collection of mistranslated 2000 year old documents might actually have some relevance to people of this day and age (beyond the obvious Jesus, Inc. approach of established Christian denominations) and you close-minded, Pavlov-conditioned, unable-to-think-for-yourself fundamentalists are too blind to even see it. (continued)
@October31st1517 Your "heretic of the month" inanity is nothing more than an example of how loudly sheep bleat when they feel threatened. This fellow has taken a scholarly approach to his spirituality and has found a path that allows him to overlook all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the book his faith is based on by getting to the heart of what Jesus was trying to say. Idiots like you that feel the need to think every letter is divinely inspired are what's wrong with Christianity.
Spong is an apostate and not a Christian at all. It's not at all surprising that sinners who don't want to hear what the Bible actually says, love to have their ears tickled by Spong.
This post does more to enlighten others of Spong's position, while simultaneously showcasing the ignorance of the fundamentalist versions of Christianity as modern day Pharisees. Spong's ideas highlight genuine Jesus teachings apart from how the have been altered by man as scripture evolved over time.
John Shelby Spong is what a Christian SHOULD be. The truth is out that Christianity is only a mesh of astrotheology, gnostic ritual, and Helenistic religious practices and Jewish tradition, all rolled into one tight package. A historical criticism of the Bible is needed to gather any true relevance today. The truth is that knowledge is the key to understanding and enlightenment, and being a "godly" person is to love wastefully, even those who hate you. Christians need to model Christ, not man.
Thanks for posting! I hadn't seen Mr. Spong speak his heresies, only read of them. I am glad you showed him saying these things so there is no doubt about where he stands.I am also glad you ask for prayer for him. He certainly needs it.
@ConfederateGypsy a confederate xtian? slaves of superstition and deniers of humanity purporting to speak for god. your prayers will never be answered.
@kingda117 Interesting comment there, 117. Not sure what perspective you are trying to bring up but keep trying kid. One day you might make some sense but I doubt it.
@October31st1517 your hocus pocus is tiring. there was no mention of the flying spaghetti monster. only the gullible want everlasting life and i bet he will long be remembered for his logical and reasonable interpretation of that awful and sometimes briliant book called the bible. he makes xtianity sound sane and relevant to modern man. what is the point of life? if not to be the best human you can ever be. cowering, grovelling,begging. are you in front of a thug or the greatest giver of love.
@kingda117 How about getting some original material for your arguments. The "flying spaghetti monster." can not be proven. The existance of the Lord Jesus Christ can. This heretic while wearing a clerical collar is regurgitating his antichrist Satanic puke that you happen to agree with.
@October31st1517 nor can the continued existence of christ be proven. there are some who say he never existed others say he was just a wayward rabbi. your world of make believe is impressive. popular mass delusion is what has kept the fundies of all faith from being taken away by men in white coats. bureacracy is all pervasive that even your god comes in triplicate. go pray in your church of nightmares. he does not need a collar for me to listen to him. he is more honest than you will ever be.
@October31st1517 "The existence of the Lord Jesus Christ can [be proven]"--you must be joking. I'm sorry that you will probably never know how silly your statement is.
@blannphinella "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (Josephus 37-100)
Secular evidance that Jesus Christ existed. Do you wish me to ignore this evidence?
@October31st1517 Yeah, I believe Jesus existed too. But the "Lord Jesus Christ" understood as the Son of God, the second person of the trinity, etc. cannot be proven to have existed. That is my point. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
You could have easily called this video "Look at this idiot who is obviously wrong for not believing the exact same thing that I do." The church is already full of enough arrogance. Do you really need to post videos like this?
1st impression of that starnge man he is doing the very same thing he supposedly accuses "religon" of doing. Just like a master psycopathic manipulator" operates in. The look on face of the host doesn't seem to be buying into his delusional philosophy though. Seems like he isnt anyway.
Just turn on TBN and watch hagie, crouch, coopeland, meyers, olstien, mike murdock, perry stone and hal lindsey gang. Unbelievable corrupt filthy evil world we are living in. No wonder it burns up when he apearz
Spong has been perpetually out to lunch, and I certainly do not wish to join him.
Having said that, I looked up the website for that Renaissance Unity "church" where he spoke at. They are a part of the Fillmore-ite cult Unity School of Christianity, which is based near KC, MO. Avoid Unity at all costs!!!
@SexyDavey21 I find it interesting that your avatar is an icon used by the USC. BTW, I've sat through a few Unity services in the past, so I know where they "stand", and Unity claims that God is a force - amongst a few other false teachings that are too long to list here. (An offshoot of Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science cult as well.)
how can spong claim to teach the truth when he refuses Gods Word... spong contradicts Gods Word with his own wisdom... he replaces God Word with his own views..
@APSOC38 You know, its that kind of statement that makes me cringe. In pointing out what a fool he is for saying what he has researched and understood, you are assuming your self as the benchmark for right and wrong - which is extremely arrogant in your certainty. That's is what the modern church does not seem to see. When someone disagrees with the status quo a passage is taken out of context to say that the person is wrong. How can you be so certain that the rest of the world is wrong?
@willtravelforfood Just because Spong has allegedly researched does not make him understood. I am not the benchmark nor the test for orthodoxy - Scripture is. I am also aware of the school of thought that Spong comes from - and it is certainly heretical to the core.
Spong's heresy is nothing new. Even the Book of Ecclesiastes states that there is no new thing under the sun. His teachings are about the same as the 2nd century gnostics.
@APSOC38 First of all, you should really look at Spong's work and see what where he got his ideas from. He isn't making this stuff up. Sure, thats what Scripture says, but is that what it means? By saying that point blank it says something you are taking for granted where your understanding and interpretation of Scripture came from. Once something is assumed you can of course prove it. But if you struggle with the meaning of what it's said historically and culturally it changes the meaning.
@APSOC38 Take the idea of hell. If I read the Bible completely literally, I would think that if I called someone a fool I would be in danger of Hell. But the word "hell" is really gehenna, which was a valley outside Jerusalem where trash was burned and where social outcasts were sent. The meaning is different than the text. The meaning is that if you are knocking people down you should not be a part of the group. Plain and simple. Understanding scripture is a struggle, not an assumption.
@APSOC38 Anyway, my point is that you are assuming that you are correct without really considering the other side, which is to me arrogance. And the Bible literally says, "pride comes before a fall", so I would watch where you step. :)
I have often said and stand by the idea that what's more important than what you believe is what you believe about what you believe. I would encourage you to seek the opposing position before assuming that your position is absolutely correct.
@willtravelforfood I don't have the time to deal with your "flooding and carpet bombing". That's exactly what you're doing. I've read some of Spong's material, and I don't have the time to read all of it. There's nothing in it that is reflective of Scripture, the early church fathers, Augustine, or any of the Reformers.
Spong can quote men like Thomas Cranmer all he wants, but he's nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@ReligionFreeDeist - He accepts the main tenants of his faith. That Jesus existed and is who he claims he is. He believes in one god. How much more do you want from someone to call them a theist?
Yeah, Spong definitely makes more sense here- very cool that you found some vintage clips. Sometimes you can find the coolest stuff even from people you vehemently disagree with.
*Applauds* Congratulations Bishop Spong! :) Loved the video in that you all made me laugh. The beginning with those "boos" caused me to want to be Joan Rivers and say, "Ah, grow up!" Seems my dear Spong is right. Thanks for showing his humane and uplifting speeches. Seriously though, I'm just sorry they trouble some of you and find it very sad. IF I had to chose to listen to Bishop Spong or a Fundamentalist preacher with no other choices, I'd chose Spong any day.
@October31st1517 The only reason they were declared heresy is because Rome wanted to be in power. Thus the Gnostic, Doceticts, Cathars, and alike were killed or force to convert to the Roman Pagan from of Xianity. This was before the Reformation. BTW, I'm an apostate Episcopalian turned humanist. So Bishop Spong was my bishop and still have an appreciation for him. That and Bob Price has been an incredible influence on me too. I'll be in good company along with Dawkins et al, thank you. lol
@October31st1517 Every major sect of Christianity disagrees with each other, whether minimally or maximally... so that fact that one portion of "Christianity"-namely the Christian rightwing, fundamentalist, evangelical retrograde side calls something heresy... is of no consequence. Spong and progressive Christianity are recovering Jesus' primary call to LOVE unconditionally... I am glad he speaks up for Truth, for real Christianity, which has long since been HIJACKED by spiritual terrorists.
@SexyDavey21 "I am glad he speaks up for Truth, for real Christianity" - True Scotsman fallacy at work here me thinx. You have all entered into a world of walking zombies etc. Who are you to claim righteousness over anyone else? The moment you start going into stories of "the suspension of the laws of nature" then you are already in shakey ground. Also this idea of good and love etc when it comes to Jesus only really works if he is actually the son of a god that hasn't even been proved to exist.
@Brynnium Your claim was that it was Jesus call to believe in so that one would be saved. Spong talks alot about twisting the truth, and none of your quotes imply any of that, which rests Spongs case.
@SexyDavey21 - Amen to that, Sexy Davey! Jesus wasn't about hatred, judgment (he who is without sin cast the first stone), dogma, etc. He was about love, unity, peace, & joy. His message was positive and uplifting and full of love.
Personally, I like to hear what others believe, read the Bible and other spiritual books, go into meditation and communion with Source, ask for guidance, and then follow my heart.
@loudmouthspeaker Really? I don't see him as sad. I like him and I'm a humanist. He's better than other ministers, IMO. I really don't care if you think he's lost. It's all a human concept anyway. BTW, he was one of mentors, if that tells you anything and I was an Episcopalian for a few years before I left the Church. I still like Spong even so. He's a good man.
@MrianaTroi - so are you telling me that spond teaches the same as the bible inregards to salvation, sin, eternal punishment ect ect...he isnt born again...
@loudmouthspeaker You need to check on what Episcopalians believe. They don't do that "Born again" junk for starters. So, I have no clue what you are talking about and really don't care. Personally, I happen to look up to the man. He's smart, intelligent, and isn't delusional.
@MrianaTroi I can see you love to honour the false words and teachings of men rather than the truth of God. Your condemnation has not been sleeping and will be revealed in the End Times...
@ArminianMorningTea Oh yeah. Whatever. So glad to see yet another superstitious person. I feel sorry for you, but maybe one day you will grow up. Thanks to Spong, I have and I'm very glad of it. I'm also very grateful for the correspondence we had. It was very nice. So, yeah, there is a lot to honour in this man, IMO. What is there to honour in your god concept?
@MrianaTroi You've gotta be joking... There is the TRUTH to honor--the very testimony of Jesus Christ Himself! Not that raving lunatic Spong and his derangements. Do you know the scriptures prophesied about men like Spong? Just read Jude's Epistle...
That is, if you ARE under the authority of God's Word...
@ArminianMorningTea It is purely rewritten mythology, not the inerrant word of God. The Bible was written and inspired by humans, just like any other work of literature. And no, I am not under the authority of your god concept. As I said and as Spong has said, "People don't need to be born again. They need to grow up." Even Robert Price has stated that Jesus Christ never existed or if he did, he is too buried in myth to find. The idea of a god is purely a human concept.
@PeripheralMan Oh I'm so glad! I'll never be cold again. I'm sorry you are in such a state of fear and being controlled like you are. Guess that's the way it goes sometimes.
@PeripheralMan "Hellfire" was most likely created from man witnessing rivers of fire coming from volcanoes, believing there was a lake of fire beneath the earth. Stories were told for generations of the screams of torment of those consumed bywhat we know today as lava, and these tales became legend, like most ancient beliefs born of ignorance and fear. Evidently you have been held captive by the two.
@jrichard1977 "This bishop is CRAZY! What Bible is he using to come up with his nonsense" - Come on now. Calling another person crazy when for all intents and purposes you are crazy yourself is the same as one mental patient laughing at another because the other person is "CRAZY". I am suprised you didn't even see the irony in your own comment.
Hi October31st1517, Really enjoying your videos!! Spong as "heretic of the month" is brilliantly done! The McNeil/McCalip Debate on theTrinity floored me. For 2 reasons: Steve's disconnected, ramblings, and off the wall unrelated questions, and this weird, almost evil hatred of the Greek language. Whats creepy, is this: have you seen WalterMartin/United Pentacost. debate on the Trinity. These guys are either clones or brainwashed. Same disconnect...same viscious reaction to Grk lang! cont
I dont want to watch it again but when I watched it I thought oh no. This is just a place for fundamentalist bollocks. Fundementalism and creationism are clearly wrong you dont have to use your brain for 30 minutes to work that out.
Mr. Spong is a false prophet, and he will have to repent or the things he denyes it will happen to him! He is defetnely an apostate, a Christ rejector, a modern idolater, who has made his own god!, pray for him? yes we have to, just as paul pray for and individual that sin with his step mother!
It comforts me to know that it is not because you are evil that you believe that hell exists as an eternal torture for people like Bishop Spong but because you are remarkably ignorant.
Well, on second thought, you are probably both ignorant AND evil.
Think about this...
Finite life and finite choices + decide not to be a Christian = INFINITE punishment. There is no way to make this even remotely just let alone merciful or loving like you imagine God to be.
Kind of interesting you just list some bible verses to refute some1 who does take it to be authritative anyway, btw why didnt defend that that the actual apsotle John wrote the Gospel? is it because there is no godo reason to blieve it? Btw that verse regarding Hell actually says Gehenna. Hell is a word rooted in nordic paganism. Hell is absolutely invented, it is absent throughout the entire the old testament and no idea of eternal torture exists except for a few verses in Revelation.
@donttrustthebible So you're interested in the quantatative evidence. Wether God says something once or 1000 times, it's true. You're just looking for reasons not to believe.
Well, unfortuantely God never spoke the word "hell" to any of his so-called prophets. The idea of a place of eternal torment is foregin to the Bible witht eh exception of The book of Revelation, which is debatable and fruther was a book rejected by early church fathers. Perhaps you are are correct. but perhaps you are looking for reasons to believe. Btw Id like to poitn out I used biblical evidence to refute your viewpoint. And btw which God said what?, there are different books of scripture.
It is kind of a bold statement to say that it is the only true english version. The only way that we can get closer to the original meaning is to study different versions and the original aramaic, hebrew and greek texts. Then can you come to a full understanding for the texts. Of course God can reveal different things to people "personally" but everything revolves around the true meaning. You can correct me Mark. God bless you.
@Uranius7 - I think for the most part your idea of "true meaning" is merely mental masturbation. If the writings are that of a mentally ill person then there is probably no meaning in it at all, other than what you could expect from a bronze age deluded person. Surprise suprise we find absolutely nothing a bronze age person couldn't of said.
@TheSpankymonkey Who the heck is talking about the bronze age? Did you do a psychological study of the mind of each author of the texts? I don't think so. Go with your bronze age gibberish to another video and let the adults talk here.
i wouldnt say that. this man is 1 of the most respected theologians in the world. he's studied biblical history,& other subjects that pertain 2 theology (including science) 20 X what the poster of this video has, i'm willing 2 bet that. 2 disagree with someones theological view is 1 thing... 2 insult the years of work they've done by saying he makes it up as he goes is another. In fact, Spong has had to deal with death threats and bomb threats at his lectures from people who denigrate his name
Yes, I will state it as FACT that he said that Paul Tillich was his "theological mentor" as he lectured alongside his fellow heretical buddy Jim Veitch.
I have to pay u a compliment for being very honest. u never totally took bishop spong out of context. There were several times i noticed u had the opportunity. Part of the reason for this of course, is that u think there is no need 2 do so. However allowing him to fully state his view only further shows the superiority of his interpretation of the bible. His comments are much more loving and decent than the verses you choose, and shows that indeed, the bible is not the best us humans can do.
I think much of Spong's rhetoric comes from the bible. but yes, i do think he and others have improved on certain ideals and verses that are in the bible. certainly i think his interpretation of the bible is much more realistic and reasonable than some of the traditional beliefs of the christian faith. i think this video does a perfect job of proving this. the blind following of a book written by men, pales in comparison to using valuable advice from the book, and correcting its many mistakes
mleonsmith - Sounds like you are feeding on the lies these people are selling, too. If one isn't preaching the whole Biblical Truth, then they are not of God. Period.
I think you are working off of several assumptions here... perhaps the worst one however is your obvious supercilious attitude toward your own interpretation of the bible itself. Who are you to determine what is absolutely true in regards to the faith of people?
... I am actually of the belief that THEISM is incorrect, and personally i think it needs to be done away with as a mental concept. at this point it is every bit as useless as other superstitions like astrology
1 Timothy 4:1 "1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
2 Thess 2:3 " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" Luke 18:8 "I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
I find it obsurd that you would post these verses. beyond the fact that they r nothing but superstitious remnants of our past, they also can be interpreted for ANYTIME in history. including the day it was written & im sure the credulous ignorant people who based their lives on it, certainly did interpret their time as the last days. if u study history u know this. 2 assune that those who have different opinions than u, somehow r conspiring 2 destroy u will keep humans seperated by faith 4ever
mleonsmith - God's Word is 100% Truth, whether you accept it or not. God bless you. Jesus is coming back very soon. Bible prophecy is coming to pass and quickly. Look up.
1st off, thanks 4 the thumbs down on all my comments. lol... secondly, i'm not a totally ignorant person in regards 2 so-called bible prophecy, so am aware of the claims, especially in regards 2 so-called prophecies regarding israel. There is a multitude of problems with many of the theories however. People have been saying jesus is coming back soon for 2000 years now and they will probably continue doing so 4 another 2000, at which time the believer will tell the unbeliever how tru prophecy is
My friend, 4 u 2 say god's word is 100% truth only shows how delusional u r, & whats so bad is that its by choice. there r obvious flaws in the bible, flaws that dont tarnish the humanity of those who wrote the book, but rather serve as testament 2 it. for me, its the best thing about the bible... watching the evolution of the understanding of love and reason. the problem is people like u dont accept the humanity involved & u substitute DIVINITY, therefore making even the mistakes unfalsifiable
@mleonsmith - "therefore making even the mistakes unfalsifiable" I really would not bother yourself to be perfectly honest. The basic most absolute premise, no matter what book you choose or how you read it is that there is a god. The notion of a God is completely unfalsifiable anyway.
The blind man in John 9 states "I AM"......IT DOESN'T MAKE HIM GOD ANY MORE THAN JESUS MAKING THAT STATEMENT MAKES HIM GOD ALMIGHTY. See the recent video by "Prove Your Faith" in regards to "i am" dogma.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, Iam. See also Exodus3:14 And God said unto Moses, IAM THAT IAM: and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, IAM has sent me unto you.What do you think Jesus declared in John's Gospel, and what do you think He declared in Exodus?
Our JOB as commanded by our Leader Jesus Christ is the following: Matt24:13
13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Once again Oct31 twist scripture....Jesus Christ stated GEHENNA....a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. Gehenna is a proper Noun.. a Name of a place...like Grand Canyon. You cannot translate Gehenna as the NORSE word Hell any more than you can translate Grand Canyon as Hell. Back to basic bible study oct31.
This is how Oct31 twists the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Matthew 10:28 says Gehenna......not "Hell" Gehenna is a proper name for a PLACE...it is not translatable to the Pagan NORSE word HELL.
I don't believe i'm 'outside of christian faith', perhaps i'm outside YOUR christian faith, but by no means am I concerned. But believe me, i'm not here to debate on your forum. I respect your beliefs.
Absolutley. But do not deny the antecedent. For example. "All men are mortal, woman are not men, therefore woman are not mortal." What antitrinitarians do is fall for this fallicy. "The Father is the only true God, Jesus is not the father, thefore Jesus is not the only true God." This is a violation of biblical interpretation.
That is what He said. But here is another question. Since according to your theology the Father is the only true God(which is true) what kind of god is Jesus, true or false? Remember there is only 1 true God.
This is what is called the fallacy false dichotomy or dilemma. Where you give 2 alternatives to a question when in reality there's more, but I'll still answer your question. He's a "Mighty God" (Isa 9:6)
But i'm more curious as why you agreed with his words in John 17:3 when that doesn't fit your theology? I do understand, though, that 'agreeing' is not the same as 'believing' perhaps thats what you meant.
I would say he is not a Christian, I pray God in his good Pleasure my open his (spong) eyes to the Lord Jesus Christ. Our Wonderful Savior, Our Lord and Our King.
He's an old humanist cook. I feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to actually take his fleshly wisdom seriously. Even most other heretics we know from this channel wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole.
With all due respect for Spong, he is really full of wrinkles and such marks of advanced years. I've seen some people age gracefully due to them being regenerate Christians. It's obvious to me that he has definitely not aged gracefully and it shows by how utterly decrepit his face is.
As much as I am no fan of Billy Graham, even he looks better in his 90's than Spong does in his 70's.
First of all , this man is not a Bishop , on the news banner , it read former episcopal bishop under his name. he is way off into left field somewhere , he does not believe one cent of the bible , he just believes whatever makes sense in his mind, READ YOUR BIBLES FOR YOURSELF , AND ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING FROM GOD. PRAY FOR THIS MAN. NOW!
I would LOVE to hear his sermon on evolution if we are "emerging people". and he says it with his hands in his pockets too, so we can't see what he is REALLY saying. My mother warned me against hand hiders!
I have come to be skeptical of anyone in a collar. It seems satan likes to keep his dogs on a leash.
At 1:57, Christ also said that we are to humble ourselves as LITTLE CHILDREN. You can always tell - these people don't reference the Word. It's all "their idea" of Who God is.
Christians hate Spong because they can't detract anything he says. The only logical comeback is a personal attack. Spong uses what most Christians do not use, a brain to think.
TheMarathonomahos 2 months ago
I'm concerned that cool, compassionate, reasonable and smart people like John Spong can actually save Christianity, which is not worth saving.
lardhat 4 months ago
News flash : Turns out Harold Camping was right after all! The Rapture DID happen right when he said it would. About 30 people vanished without a trace. Notice that October31st1517, PeripheralMan, Keruaran and others have been active within a couple weeks before the date of this post. Guess you missed the train! Ooops?
TripperKidd 6 months ago
@TripperKidd I fail to see your point?
October31st1517 6 months ago
@October31st1517 My point is that someone comes along that has a sensible, reasoned interpretation of how a collection of mistranslated 2000 year old documents might actually have some relevance to people of this day and age (beyond the obvious Jesus, Inc. approach of established Christian denominations) and you close-minded, Pavlov-conditioned, unable-to-think-for-yourself fundamentalists are too blind to even see it. (continued)
TripperKidd 6 months ago
@October31st1517 Your "heretic of the month" inanity is nothing more than an example of how loudly sheep bleat when they feel threatened. This fellow has taken a scholarly approach to his spirituality and has found a path that allows him to overlook all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the book his faith is based on by getting to the heart of what Jesus was trying to say. Idiots like you that feel the need to think every letter is divinely inspired are what's wrong with Christianity.
TripperKidd 6 months ago
Spong is an apostate and not a Christian at all. It's not at all surprising that sinners who don't want to hear what the Bible actually says, love to have their ears tickled by Spong.
Keruaran 6 months ago
Bishop Spong and Father George Coyne are the only two Christian preachers I find uplifting. They don't seem to be afraid of the truth.
kadene2 7 months ago
This post does more to enlighten others of Spong's position, while simultaneously showcasing the ignorance of the fundamentalist versions of Christianity as modern day Pharisees. Spong's ideas highlight genuine Jesus teachings apart from how the have been altered by man as scripture evolved over time.
True31570 9 months ago 2
John Shelby Spong is what a Christian SHOULD be. The truth is out that Christianity is only a mesh of astrotheology, gnostic ritual, and Helenistic religious practices and Jewish tradition, all rolled into one tight package. A historical criticism of the Bible is needed to gather any true relevance today. The truth is that knowledge is the key to understanding and enlightenment, and being a "godly" person is to love wastefully, even those who hate you. Christians need to model Christ, not man.
bigblurr 10 months ago 2
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SwiftLife 1 year ago
@SwiftLife That's ironic coming from a Pharisee.
NewLeftOpposition 11 months ago
Thanks for posting! I hadn't seen Mr. Spong speak his heresies, only read of them. I am glad you showed him saying these things so there is no doubt about where he stands.I am also glad you ask for prayer for him. He certainly needs it.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy a confederate xtian? slaves of superstition and deniers of humanity purporting to speak for god. your prayers will never be answered.
kingda117 1 year ago
@kingda117 Interesting comment there, 117. Not sure what perspective you are trying to bring up but keep trying kid. One day you might make some sense but I doubt it.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
lol well we won't know the answer to any of these questions until we are dead so for now there is no final authority :(
Callmps 1 year ago
Wow- all he's doing is talking COMMON SENSE!!!
Go Bishop Spong!
Callmps 1 year ago
@Callmps So "COMMON SENSE" is our final authority?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@Callmps at last christianity has a practical face instead of the doom and negativity of fundies.
kingda117 1 year ago
@kingda117 You mean there can be good news w/o bad news?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 where's the bad news?
kingda117 1 year ago
@kingda117 The bad news is in John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
- The Lord Jesus Christ
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 your hocus pocus is tiring. there was no mention of the flying spaghetti monster. only the gullible want everlasting life and i bet he will long be remembered for his logical and reasonable interpretation of that awful and sometimes briliant book called the bible. he makes xtianity sound sane and relevant to modern man. what is the point of life? if not to be the best human you can ever be. cowering, grovelling,begging. are you in front of a thug or the greatest giver of love.
kingda117 1 year ago
@kingda117 How about getting some original material for your arguments. The "flying spaghetti monster." can not be proven. The existance of the Lord Jesus Christ can. This heretic while wearing a clerical collar is regurgitating his antichrist Satanic puke that you happen to agree with.
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 nor can the continued existence of christ be proven. there are some who say he never existed others say he was just a wayward rabbi. your world of make believe is impressive. popular mass delusion is what has kept the fundies of all faith from being taken away by men in white coats. bureacracy is all pervasive that even your god comes in triplicate. go pray in your church of nightmares. he does not need a collar for me to listen to him. he is more honest than you will ever be.
kingda117 1 year ago
@October31st1517 "The existence of the Lord Jesus Christ can [be proven]"--you must be joking. I'm sorry that you will probably never know how silly your statement is.
blannphinella 1 year ago
@blannphinella "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (Josephus 37-100)
Secular evidance that Jesus Christ existed. Do you wish me to ignore this evidence?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 Yeah, I believe Jesus existed too. But the "Lord Jesus Christ" understood as the Son of God, the second person of the trinity, etc. cannot be proven to have existed. That is my point. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
blannphinella 1 year ago
@kingda117....this is not Christianity. Spong espouses the doctrine of demons not of Jesus. Real Christianity is Christ centered, not man centered.
bella50008 1 year ago
@bella50008 you might be a demon . i am not.
kingda117 1 year ago
You could have easily called this video "Look at this idiot who is obviously wrong for not believing the exact same thing that I do." The church is already full of enough arrogance. Do you really need to post videos like this?
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
1st impression of that starnge man he is doing the very same thing he supposedly accuses "religon" of doing. Just like a master psycopathic manipulator" operates in. The look on face of the host doesn't seem to be buying into his delusional philosophy though. Seems like he isnt anyway.
Just turn on TBN and watch hagie, crouch, coopeland, meyers, olstien, mike murdock, perry stone and hal lindsey gang. Unbelievable corrupt filthy evil world we are living in. No wonder it burns up when he apearz
zobcity01 1 year ago
Spong has been perpetually out to lunch, and I certainly do not wish to join him.
Having said that, I looked up the website for that Renaissance Unity "church" where he spoke at. They are a part of the Fillmore-ite cult Unity School of Christianity, which is based near KC, MO. Avoid Unity at all costs!!!
APSOC38 1 year ago
@APSOC38 I'd more likely avoid you at all costs... your ignorance might be contagious
SexyDavey21 1 year ago
@SexyDavey21 I find it interesting that your avatar is an icon used by the USC. BTW, I've sat through a few Unity services in the past, so I know where they "stand", and Unity claims that God is a force - amongst a few other false teachings that are too long to list here. (An offshoot of Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science cult as well.)
APSOC38 1 year ago
how can spong claim to teach the truth when he refuses Gods Word... spong contradicts Gods Word with his own wisdom... he replaces God Word with his own views..
talk about a false teacher...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Spong proudly professes to be wise, but he has indeed become a fool.
APSOC38 1 year ago
@APSOC38 You know, its that kind of statement that makes me cringe. In pointing out what a fool he is for saying what he has researched and understood, you are assuming your self as the benchmark for right and wrong - which is extremely arrogant in your certainty. That's is what the modern church does not seem to see. When someone disagrees with the status quo a passage is taken out of context to say that the person is wrong. How can you be so certain that the rest of the world is wrong?
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
@willtravelforfood Just because Spong has allegedly researched does not make him understood. I am not the benchmark nor the test for orthodoxy - Scripture is. I am also aware of the school of thought that Spong comes from - and it is certainly heretical to the core.
Spong's heresy is nothing new. Even the Book of Ecclesiastes states that there is no new thing under the sun. His teachings are about the same as the 2nd century gnostics.
APSOC38 1 year ago
@APSOC38 First of all, you should really look at Spong's work and see what where he got his ideas from. He isn't making this stuff up. Sure, thats what Scripture says, but is that what it means? By saying that point blank it says something you are taking for granted where your understanding and interpretation of Scripture came from. Once something is assumed you can of course prove it. But if you struggle with the meaning of what it's said historically and culturally it changes the meaning.
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
@APSOC38 Take the idea of hell. If I read the Bible completely literally, I would think that if I called someone a fool I would be in danger of Hell. But the word "hell" is really gehenna, which was a valley outside Jerusalem where trash was burned and where social outcasts were sent. The meaning is different than the text. The meaning is that if you are knocking people down you should not be a part of the group. Plain and simple. Understanding scripture is a struggle, not an assumption.
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
@APSOC38 Anyway, my point is that you are assuming that you are correct without really considering the other side, which is to me arrogance. And the Bible literally says, "pride comes before a fall", so I would watch where you step. :)
I have often said and stand by the idea that what's more important than what you believe is what you believe about what you believe. I would encourage you to seek the opposing position before assuming that your position is absolutely correct.
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
@willtravelforfood I don't have the time to deal with your "flooding and carpet bombing". That's exactly what you're doing. I've read some of Spong's material, and I don't have the time to read all of it. There's nothing in it that is reflective of Scripture, the early church fathers, Augustine, or any of the Reformers.
Spong can quote men like Thomas Cranmer all he wants, but he's nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Our conversation is done. Please don't reply.
APSOC38 1 year ago
@ReligionFreeDeist - He accepts the main tenants of his faith. That Jesus existed and is who he claims he is. He believes in one god. How much more do you want from someone to call them a theist?
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
Hooray For SPONG! Excellent message throughout all his books!
PiranhaJaw22 1 year ago
Yeah, Spong definitely makes more sense here- very cool that you found some vintage clips. Sometimes you can find the coolest stuff even from people you vehemently disagree with.
confluential 1 year ago
*Applauds* Congratulations Bishop Spong! :) Loved the video in that you all made me laugh. The beginning with those "boos" caused me to want to be Joan Rivers and say, "Ah, grow up!" Seems my dear Spong is right. Thanks for showing his humane and uplifting speeches. Seriously though, I'm just sorry they trouble some of you and find it very sad. IF I had to chose to listen to Bishop Spong or a Fundamentalist preacher with no other choices, I'd chose Spong any day.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago 12
@MrianaTroi So the very fact that he teaches doctrines that have been condemned as heresy by the historic christian church does not bother you?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 The only reason they were declared heresy is because Rome wanted to be in power. Thus the Gnostic, Doceticts, Cathars, and alike were killed or force to convert to the Roman Pagan from of Xianity. This was before the Reformation. BTW, I'm an apostate Episcopalian turned humanist. So Bishop Spong was my bishop and still have an appreciation for him. That and Bob Price has been an incredible influence on me too. I'll be in good company along with Dawkins et al, thank you. lol
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@October31st1517 Every major sect of Christianity disagrees with each other, whether minimally or maximally... so that fact that one portion of "Christianity"-namely the Christian rightwing, fundamentalist, evangelical retrograde side calls something heresy... is of no consequence. Spong and progressive Christianity are recovering Jesus' primary call to LOVE unconditionally... I am glad he speaks up for Truth, for real Christianity, which has long since been HIJACKED by spiritual terrorists.
SexyDavey21 1 year ago 14
@SexyDavey21 "I am glad he speaks up for Truth, for real Christianity" - True Scotsman fallacy at work here me thinx. You have all entered into a world of walking zombies etc. Who are you to claim righteousness over anyone else? The moment you start going into stories of "the suspension of the laws of nature" then you are already in shakey ground. Also this idea of good and love etc when it comes to Jesus only really works if he is actually the son of a god that hasn't even been proved to exist.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
@SexyDavey21 VERY well put.
willtravelforfood 1 year ago
Jesus' primary call was to believe on Him that we would be saved. Good men do good works, but good works don't make good men.
Brynnium 2 months ago
@Brynnium I would like to see that claim in the bible.
TheMarathonomahos 2 months ago
@TheMarathonomahos Galatians 2:16, John 1:17, Acts 4:12, Romans 3:20, Galatians 2:16, John 3:16, and on, and on, and on.
Brynnium 2 months ago
@Brynnium John 1:7, not 1:17
Brynnium 2 months ago
@Brynnium Your claim was that it was Jesus call to believe in so that one would be saved. Spong talks alot about twisting the truth, and none of your quotes imply any of that, which rests Spongs case.
TheMarathonomahos 2 months ago
@TheMarathonomahos Yes, Jesus came that we might believe in Him and be saved. John 1:7, John 3:16.
Brynnium 2 months ago
@SexyDavey21 - Amen to that, Sexy Davey! Jesus wasn't about hatred, judgment (he who is without sin cast the first stone), dogma, etc. He was about love, unity, peace, & joy. His message was positive and uplifting and full of love.
Personally, I like to hear what others believe, read the Bible and other spiritual books, go into meditation and communion with Source, ask for guidance, and then follow my heart.
phyllislovell 2 months ago
@SexyDavey21 Thank you, couldn't have said it better myself.
TheHappyCooker68 1 month ago
@October31st1517 No. The "Historic Christian church" is an oxymoron
pcmodhouse 1 year ago
@MrianaTroi - wow do youu have any idea how lost spong is? he has no idea about the good news of Jesus ..this guy is sad
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Really? I don't see him as sad. I like him and I'm a humanist. He's better than other ministers, IMO. I really don't care if you think he's lost. It's all a human concept anyway. BTW, he was one of mentors, if that tells you anything and I was an Episcopalian for a few years before I left the Church. I still like Spong even so. He's a good man.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@MrianaTroi - so are you telling me that spond teaches the same as the bible inregards to salvation, sin, eternal punishment ect ect...he isnt born again...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker You need to check on what Episcopalians believe. They don't do that "Born again" junk for starters. So, I have no clue what you are talking about and really don't care. Personally, I happen to look up to the man. He's smart, intelligent, and isn't delusional.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@MrianaTroi I can see you love to honour the false words and teachings of men rather than the truth of God. Your condemnation has not been sleeping and will be revealed in the End Times...
ArminianMorningTea 1 year ago
@ArminianMorningTea Oh yeah. Whatever. So glad to see yet another superstitious person. I feel sorry for you, but maybe one day you will grow up. Thanks to Spong, I have and I'm very glad of it. I'm also very grateful for the correspondence we had. It was very nice. So, yeah, there is a lot to honour in this man, IMO. What is there to honour in your god concept?
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@MrianaTroi You've gotta be joking... There is the TRUTH to honor--the very testimony of Jesus Christ Himself! Not that raving lunatic Spong and his derangements. Do you know the scriptures prophesied about men like Spong? Just read Jude's Epistle...
That is, if you ARE under the authority of God's Word...
ArminianMorningTea 1 year ago
@ArminianMorningTea It is purely rewritten mythology, not the inerrant word of God. The Bible was written and inspired by humans, just like any other work of literature. And no, I am not under the authority of your god concept. As I said and as Spong has said, "People don't need to be born again. They need to grow up." Even Robert Price has stated that Jesus Christ never existed or if he did, he is too buried in myth to find. The idea of a god is purely a human concept.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@MrianaTroi And that's why you and those who profess Spong's heresy will find themselves in hellfire after this life.
PeripheralMan 1 year ago
@PeripheralMan Oh I'm so glad! I'll never be cold again. I'm sorry you are in such a state of fear and being controlled like you are. Guess that's the way it goes sometimes.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago
@PeripheralMan "Hellfire" was most likely created from man witnessing rivers of fire coming from volcanoes, believing there was a lake of fire beneath the earth. Stories were told for generations of the screams of torment of those consumed bywhat we know today as lava, and these tales became legend, like most ancient beliefs born of ignorance and fear. Evidently you have been held captive by the two.
kadene2 7 months ago
This bishop is CRAZY! What Bible is he using to come up with his nonsense?
jrichard1977 1 year ago
@jrichard1977 The same one with the talking snake in the Garden of Eden.
Jonto72 1 year ago
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@jrichard1977 "This bishop is CRAZY! What Bible is he using to come up with his nonsense" - Come on now. Calling another person crazy when for all intents and purposes you are crazy yourself is the same as one mental patient laughing at another because the other person is "CRAZY". I am suprised you didn't even see the irony in your own comment.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
FLAAAAAAAAAAAAMER
530HELP 1 year ago
It's your very own hell. You burn in it.
nhJeff 1 year ago
Hi October31st1517, Really enjoying your videos!! Spong as "heretic of the month" is brilliantly done! The McNeil/McCalip Debate on theTrinity floored me. For 2 reasons: Steve's disconnected, ramblings, and off the wall unrelated questions, and this weird, almost evil hatred of the Greek language. Whats creepy, is this: have you seen WalterMartin/United Pentacost. debate on the Trinity. These guys are either clones or brainwashed. Same disconnect...same viscious reaction to Grk lang! cont
fischerpilne 2 years ago
take this sick video down.
henryforshaw 2 years ago
How do you figure?
October31st1517 2 years ago
its just obviously wrong and stupid.
henryforshaw 2 years ago
What is wrong & stupid? You haven't answered the question.
October31st1517 2 years ago
I dont want to watch it again but when I watched it I thought oh no. This is just a place for fundamentalist bollocks. Fundementalism and creationism are clearly wrong you dont have to use your brain for 30 minutes to work that out.
henryforshaw 2 years ago
Mr. Spong is a false prophet, and he will have to repent or the things he denyes it will happen to him! He is defetnely an apostate, a Christ rejector, a modern idolater, who has made his own god!, pray for him? yes we have to, just as paul pray for and individual that sin with his step mother!
darsal123 2 years ago
It comforts me to know that it is not because you are evil that you believe that hell exists as an eternal torture for people like Bishop Spong but because you are remarkably ignorant.
Well, on second thought, you are probably both ignorant AND evil.
Think about this...
Finite life and finite choices + decide not to be a Christian = INFINITE punishment. There is no way to make this even remotely just let alone merciful or loving like you imagine God to be.
You are just a dumb sheep
blannphinella 2 years ago
Kind of interesting you just list some bible verses to refute some1 who does take it to be authritative anyway, btw why didnt defend that that the actual apsotle John wrote the Gospel? is it because there is no godo reason to blieve it? Btw that verse regarding Hell actually says Gehenna. Hell is a word rooted in nordic paganism. Hell is absolutely invented, it is absent throughout the entire the old testament and no idea of eternal torture exists except for a few verses in Revelation.
donttrustthebible 2 years ago
@donttrustthebible So you're interested in the quantatative evidence. Wether God says something once or 1000 times, it's true. You're just looking for reasons not to believe.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Well, unfortuantely God never spoke the word "hell" to any of his so-called prophets. The idea of a place of eternal torment is foregin to the Bible witht eh exception of The book of Revelation, which is debatable and fruther was a book rejected by early church fathers. Perhaps you are are correct. but perhaps you are looking for reasons to believe. Btw Id like to poitn out I used biblical evidence to refute your viewpoint. And btw which God said what?, there are different books of scripture.
donttrustthebible 2 years ago
Truly a fine example of the fulfillment of the scriptures regarding his kind, lol.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
is this the father of joel osteen?
TheRedBlueBlues 2 years ago
lol they both have an resemblance lol
menooa123 2 years ago
James White always ripps this guy apart on his debates.
zmode82 2 years ago
Sorry if I sound a bit naggy, but do you plan to do a heretic expose for this month, September, cuz this month is almost over.
Coyne1988 2 years ago
This Heretic is apart of the emerging church!
So many are fooled by these false teachers!
Christians need to wake up and reaad their Bibles.
(KJV) is the only true english version.
Please do more research on this people!
God Bless!
etownoil98 2 years ago
What evidence do you have to support that the KJV is the inspired or at least preserved Word of God?
October31st1517 2 years ago
It is kind of a bold statement to say that it is the only true english version. The only way that we can get closer to the original meaning is to study different versions and the original aramaic, hebrew and greek texts. Then can you come to a full understanding for the texts. Of course God can reveal different things to people "personally" but everything revolves around the true meaning. You can correct me Mark. God bless you.
Uranius7 2 years ago
@Uranius7 - I think for the most part your idea of "true meaning" is merely mental masturbation. If the writings are that of a mentally ill person then there is probably no meaning in it at all, other than what you could expect from a bronze age deluded person. Surprise suprise we find absolutely nothing a bronze age person couldn't of said.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
@TheSpankymonkey Who the heck is talking about the bronze age? Did you do a psychological study of the mind of each author of the texts? I don't think so. Go with your bronze age gibberish to another video and let the adults talk here.
Uranius7 1 year ago
@Uranius7 - Adults don't talk of Majic man in the sky. Adults don't say majic man did it for everything and all that he has no answer for.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
@October31st1517 I didn't think people like you had much use for evidence.
biggregg5 1 year ago
If someone has to defend the work of a heretic such as Mr. Spong, more than likely they're unregenerate.
APSOC38 2 years ago 2
This guy will accept maitreya, aka anti-christ, as real truth.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
sounds like the same old new age (wich isnt new at all) satanism repackaged
Optera34 2 years ago
Hmmm... Looks like he's one of those people who just make it up as they go.
Thanks for posting.
ONEWORLDCONCERNS2 2 years ago
Let's not forget that he cites Paul Tillich as his "theological mentor". That says a lot right there.
APSOC38 2 years ago
i wouldnt say that. this man is 1 of the most respected theologians in the world. he's studied biblical history,& other subjects that pertain 2 theology (including science) 20 X what the poster of this video has, i'm willing 2 bet that. 2 disagree with someones theological view is 1 thing... 2 insult the years of work they've done by saying he makes it up as he goes is another. In fact, Spong has had to deal with death threats and bomb threats at his lectures from people who denigrate his name
mleonsmith 2 years ago
Yes, I will state it as FACT that he said that Paul Tillich was his "theological mentor" as he lectured alongside his fellow heretical buddy Jim Veitch.
watch?v=VJw6TzYX31s
APSOC38 2 years ago
I have to pay u a compliment for being very honest. u never totally took bishop spong out of context. There were several times i noticed u had the opportunity. Part of the reason for this of course, is that u think there is no need 2 do so. However allowing him to fully state his view only further shows the superiority of his interpretation of the bible. His comments are much more loving and decent than the verses you choose, and shows that indeed, the bible is not the best us humans can do.
mleonsmith 2 years ago
So are you placing Spong on a higher plane over Scripture?
APSOC38 2 years ago
I think much of Spong's rhetoric comes from the bible. but yes, i do think he and others have improved on certain ideals and verses that are in the bible. certainly i think his interpretation of the bible is much more realistic and reasonable than some of the traditional beliefs of the christian faith. i think this video does a perfect job of proving this. the blind following of a book written by men, pales in comparison to using valuable advice from the book, and correcting its many mistakes
mleonsmith 2 years ago
mleonsmith - Sounds like you are feeding on the lies these people are selling, too. If one isn't preaching the whole Biblical Truth, then they are not of God. Period.
ONEWORLDCONCERNS2 2 years ago
I think you are working off of several assumptions here... perhaps the worst one however is your obvious supercilious attitude toward your own interpretation of the bible itself. Who are you to determine what is absolutely true in regards to the faith of people?
... I am actually of the belief that THEISM is incorrect, and personally i think it needs to be done away with as a mental concept. at this point it is every bit as useless as other superstitions like astrology
mleonsmith 2 years ago
1 Timothy 4:1 "1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
2 Thess 2:3 " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" Luke 18:8 "I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
ONEWORLDCONCERNS2 2 years ago
I find it obsurd that you would post these verses. beyond the fact that they r nothing but superstitious remnants of our past, they also can be interpreted for ANYTIME in history. including the day it was written & im sure the credulous ignorant people who based their lives on it, certainly did interpret their time as the last days. if u study history u know this. 2 assune that those who have different opinions than u, somehow r conspiring 2 destroy u will keep humans seperated by faith 4ever
mleonsmith 2 years ago
mleonsmith - God's Word is 100% Truth, whether you accept it or not. God bless you. Jesus is coming back very soon. Bible prophecy is coming to pass and quickly. Look up.
ONEWORLDCONCERNS2 2 years ago
1st off, thanks 4 the thumbs down on all my comments. lol... secondly, i'm not a totally ignorant person in regards 2 so-called bible prophecy, so am aware of the claims, especially in regards 2 so-called prophecies regarding israel. There is a multitude of problems with many of the theories however. People have been saying jesus is coming back soon for 2000 years now and they will probably continue doing so 4 another 2000, at which time the believer will tell the unbeliever how tru prophecy is
mleonsmith 2 years ago
My friend, 4 u 2 say god's word is 100% truth only shows how delusional u r, & whats so bad is that its by choice. there r obvious flaws in the bible, flaws that dont tarnish the humanity of those who wrote the book, but rather serve as testament 2 it. for me, its the best thing about the bible... watching the evolution of the understanding of love and reason. the problem is people like u dont accept the humanity involved & u substitute DIVINITY, therefore making even the mistakes unfalsifiable
mleonsmith 2 years ago
@mleonsmith - "therefore making even the mistakes unfalsifiable" I really would not bother yourself to be perfectly honest. The basic most absolute premise, no matter what book you choose or how you read it is that there is a god. The notion of a God is completely unfalsifiable anyway.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
You sound like you advocate the higher textual criticism that came from the likes of David Friedrich Strauss and Julius Wellhausen.
APSOC38 2 years ago
man, some people cannot handle logic or truth.
mleonsmith 2 years ago
fail
xlazym0nk3yx 2 years ago
What a 5 star Heretic!
tezkingkong 2 years ago
Great video once again. Keep it up brother. May the heretics and apostates be exposed and publicly delivered over to Satan.
fivepointbaptist 2 years ago
The blind man in John 9 states "I AM"......IT DOESN'T MAKE HIM GOD ANY MORE THAN JESUS MAKING THAT STATEMENT MAKES HIM GOD ALMIGHTY. See the recent video by "Prove Your Faith" in regards to "i am" dogma.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, Iam. See also Exodus3:14 And God said unto Moses, IAM THAT IAM: and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, IAM has sent me unto you.What do you think Jesus declared in John's Gospel, and what do you think He declared in Exodus?
0871368021 2 years ago
Our JOB as commanded by our Leader Jesus Christ is the following: Matt24:13
13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Matt 27:19
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Seek FIRST the Kingdom and God's RIGHTEOUSNESS and all else will be given to you. Matt 6:33
JAKEV25 2 years ago
No ONE chooses to be Born Again....God chooses those that are Born Again....It is not an emotional "work" that you have at church......Matt 20:20-23
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Once again Oct31 twist scripture....Jesus Christ stated GEHENNA....a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. Gehenna is a proper Noun.. a Name of a place...like Grand Canyon. You cannot translate Gehenna as the NORSE word Hell any more than you can translate Grand Canyon as Hell. Back to basic bible study oct31.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
This is how Oct31 twists the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Matthew 10:28 says Gehenna......not "Hell" Gehenna is a proper name for a PLACE...it is not translatable to the Pagan NORSE word HELL.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Ditto C.S. Lewis. The U.S. needs more bishops like Akinola
jesujoyofmansdesirin 2 years ago
Spong is no Anglican
jesujoyofmansdesirin 2 years ago
Amen.
J.C. Ryle is spinning in his grave.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Great expose.
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
What's sad is that one particular atheist lauded him as her favorite Christian:
watch?v=mzEdDivxQj4
APSOC38 2 years ago
yeah, he's mine too. whats really sad, is that you say this as if its a bad thing
mleonsmith 2 years ago
I found it to be quite telling that an "atheist" like FairAndUnbalanced would go to bat for him. That said plenty right there.
Other than that, what can I say besides "birds of a feather flock together."
APSOC38 2 years ago
I agree with him on somethings. For instance, that there's no fiery hell and the rejection of the Trinity.
ivanmonroyguzman 2 years ago
Then you are outside of christian faith as well. Does that concern you?
October31st1517 2 years ago
I don't believe i'm 'outside of christian faith', perhaps i'm outside YOUR christian faith, but by no means am I concerned. But believe me, i'm not here to debate on your forum. I respect your beliefs.
ivanmonroyguzman 2 years ago
You are outside of the historic christian faith. The trinity is a doctrine that was taught by our Lord (John 15:26) Please consider this.
October31st1517 2 years ago
I personally have no problem with that text. I agree with what he said. Do you agree with his categorization in John 17:3?
ivanmonroyguzman 2 years ago
Absolutley. But do not deny the antecedent. For example. "All men are mortal, woman are not men, therefore woman are not mortal." What antitrinitarians do is fall for this fallicy. "The Father is the only true God, Jesus is not the father, thefore Jesus is not the only true God." This is a violation of biblical interpretation.
October31st1517 2 years ago
That last part of your analogy wasn't quite right.
My logic wasn't "The Father is the only true God, Jesus is not the father, therefore Jesus is not the only true God."
My point is "The Father is the only true God, the only true God he said is the Father, therefore no one other than the Father can be the True God."
That's not a 'violation of biblical interpretation.'
That's what he said, right?
ivanmonroyguzman 2 years ago
That is what He said. But here is another question. Since according to your theology the Father is the only true God(which is true) what kind of god is Jesus, true or false? Remember there is only 1 true God.
October31st1517 2 years ago
This is what is called the fallacy false dichotomy or dilemma. Where you give 2 alternatives to a question when in reality there's more, but I'll still answer your question. He's a "Mighty God" (Isa 9:6)
But i'm more curious as why you agreed with his words in John 17:3 when that doesn't fit your theology? I do understand, though, that 'agreeing' is not the same as 'believing' perhaps thats what you meant.
ivanmonroyguzman 2 years ago
Jesus never taught anyone the trinity....that is a lie and you are a liar and you are of your father Satan.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Good choice. A heretic indeed.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
I would say he is not a Christian, I pray God in his good Pleasure my open his (spong) eyes to the Lord Jesus Christ. Our Wonderful Savior, Our Lord and Our King.
youratm 2 years ago
He's an old humanist cook. I feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to actually take his fleshly wisdom seriously. Even most other heretics we know from this channel wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
With all due respect for Spong, he is really full of wrinkles and such marks of advanced years. I've seen some people age gracefully due to them being regenerate Christians. It's obvious to me that he has definitely not aged gracefully and it shows by how utterly decrepit his face is.
As much as I am no fan of Billy Graham, even he looks better in his 90's than Spong does in his 70's.
APSOC38 2 years ago
First of all , this man is not a Bishop , on the news banner , it read former episcopal bishop under his name. he is way off into left field somewhere , he does not believe one cent of the bible , he just believes whatever makes sense in his mind, READ YOUR BIBLES FOR YOURSELF , AND ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING FROM GOD. PRAY FOR THIS MAN. NOW!
captiolhoopscom 2 years ago
Man, at 4:42 there was some "ear tickling" going on. ..lol
twalk4ever 2 years ago
wow....I'm speechless.
twalk4ever 2 years ago
Mr precher why would you go to church why would pray if there is no hell?? God came to save the world from hell repent or you will end up there
justme228 2 years ago
I've known of this guy for a while now and even seen his books in bookstores. Thanks for showing him as the heretic he really is.
jcrebel18 2 years ago
wow....that's one of the biggest heretics I've seen in awhile.
David578593 2 years ago
It's obvious that he doesn't understand that Scriptures.....
kamaujackson811 2 years ago
I would LOVE to hear his sermon on evolution if we are "emerging people". and he says it with his hands in his pockets too, so we can't see what he is REALLY saying. My mother warned me against hand hiders!
7thMarch1987 2 years ago
You and I are EMERGING PEOPLE???? - Not fallen people????
oooooooooooooooeeeeee Hell awaits you Bishop Spongggggggggggg!
7thMarch1987 2 years ago
Wow!
DefendingTheTruth 2 years ago
In this entire series of "Heretic of the Month", I think Spong takes the cake.
AgApE010 2 years ago
Oh, good night.
I have come to be skeptical of anyone in a collar. It seems satan likes to keep his dogs on a leash.
At 1:57, Christ also said that we are to humble ourselves as LITTLE CHILDREN. You can always tell - these people don't reference the Word. It's all "their idea" of Who God is.
fruitofspirit 2 years ago 2
Great Job once again brother!!
21crosscheck21 2 years ago
Spong is the logical outcome of Episcopalian liberalism. This man is not a Christian at all. God Bless.
wintersdemise 2 years ago
I love the intro to these videos. So awesome!
BibleTruth9 2 years ago
This man is TRULY on his way to HELL!.....Very sad!
Lethalhabit 2 years ago