'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
"Since the uniquely powerful impact of Sathya Sai has become world-wide, many ignorant persons afflicted with envy and monetary greed are attempting to spin malicious tales to belittle and defame the culture of Bhaarath. The envious mind will be ever engaged in wrong. This has been so in every age when the Divine has come among mankind. But despite such tactics, the task will not falter, the Triumph will not be delayed."
"I shall tell you why I give these rings, talismans, rosaries etc. It is to signalise the bond between Me and those to whom they are given. When calamity befalls them, the article comes to Me in a flash and returns in a flash taking from Me the remedial Grace of protection. That Grace is available to all who call on Me in any Name or Form, not merely to those who wear these gifts. Love is the bond that wins Grace."
its all fake maybe that liquid is in frozen state inside that amulet..its all fake..baba is fake..if he is divine y does he need body gaurds and y cant he produce money by himself instead of begging for donation
"Mine is no mesmerism, miracle, or magic! Mine is genuine Divine Power. Small minds and limited intellects cannot comprehend them. They have no strength or stamina to grasp the magnificence and the majesty. God can do anything. He has all Power in the palm of His hand. My body, like all other bodies, is a temporary habitation; but My Power is Eternal, All-pervasive, and Ever-dominant."
"Pray to God with love. All noble souls and incarnations in the past had also to put up with criticism. You may ask why at all such criticism should arise? Criticism, in fact, adds to their glory."
"The Avatar (Divine Incarnation) has come solely for saving mankind in response to the yearnings of noble people. He is aware of the past, present and future of all. He has come to lead and liberate. He comes when a large number of good men are afflicted with fear of the survival of goodness. The Lord incarnates to feed their drooping spirits and revive faith and courage in their hearts."
'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' - Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
@MrTonyshit80 anything one does comes back to him no matter who u are .so fuck u the biggest shithism:) in other words u need shower now:)go and take it:))slowly until all dirt is gone:)
Dear Supralee, Let we talk about the truth, rational and logic. Do you believe about miracle happened in this world..? I said to you there are no miracle in this world, since from there child and now be an adult..tell the truth..how many time miracle happened to you...? all of the things could be explain by science..
@MrTonyshit80 yes i can.me:)you could never explain me by limited materialistic science.so i challange u name me one thing out of your science that i could not do with u.i can do anything.i can make u beggar or rich man i can make you religious or put you to the knees before sai baba and u will worship him day and night.or i can make u more stupid and materialistic .i can do all that but can u:)so name me thing u want to became and i do that that is the proof to u-yourself!:)
sai baba materialise ring that are evalueted to 3 millions of dollard. a fake man give these ring to them? i dont think its for money. some time a fake devote receive a ring. he law and try to sell it and them its become crap just before he sell it the ring start to self destroy.
You must have heard people say that mine is all magic. But the manifestation of divine power must not be interpreted in terms of magic. Magicians play their tricks for earning their maintenance, worldly fame, and wealth. They are based on falsehood and they thrive on deceit, but this body could never stoop to such a low level. This body has come through the Lord's resolve to come. That resolve is intended to uphold truth (sathya).
saidas108 claims to know that tens of millions of devotes have been transforming themselves through decades. He must have been very busy studying them all before and after - and even then one may doubt whether it is not just talk and a facade. I knew dozens very well indeed, but can see very little transformation indeed - some got even more abrasive egos. The VIPs Sai Baba chose are mostly very manipulative and, but they parrot nice words while arrogant in their behaviour, just like Sai Baba too
Why those lockets are taken from cup having liquid and putting them back in to the same cup? There lies the reason behind the materializing amrita. Again a simple cheap trick to cheat people who lost their mind.
When I was at Puttaparthi 1996 one friend thought Baba was cheating, then another friend thought the same and then I decided to look too. All 3 of us ended up with eye infection teh next day. I've seen both fake and real miracles. But I know in heart who Baba is and THAT is the real test.
ps: how on earth would he fake thousands of miracles across the clobe? Look around you, what you see? The universe! But doubt some amrit in a hand? lol?
Though impressive to see, these kinds of miracles (I have seen quite a few up close)have never impressed me as much as the miracle of what Baba has done worldwide with tens of millions of devotees transforming them for decades. For 70 years, he never stops doing his divine work, never rests. No human could remotely come close to what Baba does. Most of his miracles go unseen and unknown by us. It is only natural that some people will be skeptical as many are jaded and their minds work that way.
I was there in '76 when it was just a tiny place on the river. I 2 had the amulets secrete onto my palm for several minutes without the spoon & had 2 keep licking it off. They were then put into an empty glass jar w/no spoon that sat on a table before us which then filled with Amrith in a couple of hours as we sang. Doubters will always doubt.
Baba has said not to go there anymore as H has is hustling for money now. I lived in Mysore last year and went there again and that was my feeling too.
Did you gave the taxi driver good tip at the end? Look basically these stories are floating around for so long and so common in those circles and I am pretty much sure that's a tactic through which the community is integrated "miracle" and "hearsay". It is a typical attitude of self serving gurus in India. Plus the taxi driver to extract tip from you might have boosted these stories to ensure you give him good will tips. Thorough investigation is alone a good answer
sairam I had read an article containing these very lines in a website called saibaba-aclearview.If you are the one who wrote that also then I am extremely grateful, for that article reaffirmed my faith in the lord.And thanks for the visual proof too.Aham Brahmasmi!
My experimental design is to take that medal and subject it to spectrophotometric and Microscopic analysis which will tell what is it made of.The earlier analysis will tell you the composition of the medal while the later will tell you the structure of it. The secretion also need to be analyzed esp. through HPLC and this will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis will precisely tell the source of it.These are the immediate experiments I would do.
Also, I should also mention that I actually DID bring a video camera there to film this exact thing even the first time, but he did not allow for cameras to film, not even picture taking. So I'd like to know if anybody knows what they need to do to convince him to allow video, because he obviously has allowed here and there. I have seen 2 or 3 other videos like this from the orphanage.
I might go to Mysore again in the next 2 to 3 years. This would then be my 3rd visit to this orphanage if I go, and assuming the old guy is still around and this thing is still being displayed. I will do what I can then to acquire better "proof"; however, I know the orphanage man is a strict SaiBaba devotee and will highly likely not entertain any lengthy scientific investigations, because let's face it from his perspective, he's seen this thing: 30 years * 365 days/yr = 10,950 times ;-)
Man I love you. Write the truth about Saibaba with out any fear or favor. Your words are awesome. Keep it up. Make sure the words we write carry full of substance and no nonsence. Rest is upto the own weight of the argument
But this guy is fake, watch the spoon carefully, he keeps it inside the container everytime. there will be some residue on it. Also the shape of the medallion, will have some residue on it. Question everything..
I have personally witnessed baba's miracles, but I dont believe in them, when money is involved.
Yes this video does not constitute as proof. I already told you there is no such thing as "miracles", you need to study siddhis and yogic science to understand how this is possible; this one in particular however is not an illusion/trick. The spoon was not dipped back in the bucket. No measuring container is required to see that even if the spoon may have carried 1, max 2 drops worth when he first took out the medals, this does not equate 3 minutes of continuous stream adding to 6 or 7 spoons.
Why are you doing this? We already discussed that this event has no scientific or pure reasoning basis. Do you know what tantra means? Have you ever practiced it. This saibaba is a charlatan, you just refused to come to any logical discussion but keep insisting on misleaded Guru/Tantra/Yoga - a hotchpotch. It is a shame for hindu dharma as you people project him as a Guru. I am crying.
read my comments carefully. It produced 10 TIMES the volume of amrit than the size of the medals.. that's over 6 or 7 spoons worth. A few drips already on the spoon is not equal to 6 or 7 spoons worth! You need to stop trying to come to conclusions about something you have not witnessed yourself. And yes there is *NO* miracle. You can not break the laws of nature, however there is the possibility you do not yet know them all (aka. scientists who are still discovering...)
Mehaji, these kinds of loose words are useless in this modern world which should only be governed by pure reasoning. If it is no miracle then why it should be even represented in the first place?Plus why cant Saibaba help all the scientists to discover knew natural laws.Why is he hiding the moment scientists say that they want to analyze his acts. Please dont represent him. ChrisHi5Magic has some valuable suggestions which should be considered. Dont overturn him.
Muthushiv, you speak of "pure reasoning", but you yourself do not abide by such a thing. Where is your pure reasoning when you have such a strong opinion about something you have not even seen with your own 2 eyes? Forget if SaiBaba is real or not. This "miracle" if real, still does not prove anything about SaiBaba. Deal with the miracle on its own. Be a good scientist because only such are capable of "pure reasoning", otherwise, your words are no better than Sai devotees who believe anything.
Admit it, the first thing a good scientist would do is say the following: 'By our current known laws, such a "miracle" does not seem possible; however we will investigate and then later form final opinions. Should such a "miracle" be real, it will be very exciting, because it means we are being presented with new fronteirs for the Scientific community to discover, understand and later, possibly ues this knowledge to benefit mankind'.
Again dont find fault with scientists. They are pleading at their high voice for scientific verification. Only Saibaba kind of people are hiding. Tell me how should I approach this. You yourself claim that you were not allowed to picture it, then how am I supposed to do analysis? But still you want me to believe that it is not magic but some undiscovered scientific principle. Come on get life will you.
Ok, I'm done answering questions on here, I will focus what little spare time I have over the next few weeks or couple of months putting together a web page to explain this whole matter in an unbiased and detailed manner.
"this man is a fraud". Yes, he is, but he wasn't in his youth. The truth is far more complex than you think. Things are not black and white, life is more like a grey area ;-) Both doubters that have never seen the miracle are as wrong as those believers that see this miracle and automatically believe all other ones by SaiBaba are real, and even worse believe that he is a man-god, when he is anything but.
(11) and not merely believe that of what others say. Buddha said the same thing about spirituality, and his entire religion is based on "here's the info, now go confirm that this is true for yourself, if you can not, then discard it!". He was the biggest spiritual scientist! And no, I am also not a buddhist ;-) The deeper truth is that no laws are actually broken, only new ones not yet discovered (by science) are at play here (mostly to do with quantum physics and other dimensions).
(10) But more convincing than this is that, this liquid is not merely some chemistry biproduct that would likely be toxic to ingest, the "amrit" being produced is 90% like a liquid honey (it tastes and looks like it), but has the most intense sweet rose scent you have ever smelt, it permeates the room with its rose scent, it is not only beautiful but also delicious, as you are encouraged to eat it. A good scientist looks to be able to repeat the results for himself to reach his own conviction...
(9)supposedly producing non-stop. But it was enough for me to see that in 3+ minutes the medals produced over 10 TIMES an ammount of liquid superior to their volume, and I saw this 3 times in a row as I had 2 other friends equally astonished with me! The only possible scientific explanation for that would be some kind of chemical reaction; however since you can't produce something out of nothing, it would require the medals to also begin to deteriorate and they did not.
(7)with step by step explanations that are unbiased. Then when people ask, I can point them there. New questions will warrant new essays, until all questions are exhausted. Lastly, I just want to say that you can NOT and must NOT conclude anything until you see it with your own eyes, or in this case, in your own hands. What I'm about to say should also not convince you. You ask if the spoon was wet or if I had dried it, etc. You have to understand that the location where...
(6)...where they often feel compelled to give some kind of small donation. In my case baloons, stickers and bouncing balls for the children. You should have seen their smiles and joy! You know, I could write entire essays on this subject as I've spent a few years investigating such "miracles" and have seen a handful, and read countless books on how they are performed so instead of replying here on youtube, I'm thinking it makes more sense to create a web page ...
(4)... exciting as watching water come out of the faucet. Even an ignorant amazon tribesman eventually will get bored from watching water come out of the faucet. hehe. Eventually, you put the "miracle" aside and investigate the WHY/HOW, which leads you upon a spiritual quest that ultimately impresses upon you that the answer to such questions while attainable from some gurus is a far distant second cousin to the benefits of true spirituality in man and herein you have ...
(5)fulfilled the guru's plan - he has attracted you by your curiosity of something interesting (but otherwise useless phenomenon), to something far far greater - the persuit of self-realization and end of suffering.
So it's not concealed because it is used as a way to recruit people into spirituality. The second reason is that by opening up the seeing of this "miracle" to the public, it attracts people from all over the world, but specifically, to the orphanage
(3)... provided such result for any other scientist), and focuses his intensity and being towards investigating spirituality because it seems superior. When a guru/swami/yogi etc, is involved in producing the "miracle", it is likely the person will turn towards them for the spiritual quest and for answers, and so a long journey begins. Eventually, if you see miracles a few times, they just become surreal and no longer shock. Watching liquid flow from metal becomes about as...
(2)This is because a true skeptic (usually the scientifically minded), observes in detail, understands the laws of nature and after investigation and not finding any trickery is truly shocked, because his world of science no longer makes sense, because many (current) science laws seemed to have been broken! He then stops spending his fervor towards science seeing as the accumulation of endless knowledge that will never lead to his own ending of suffering (as it has never...
(8)the medals are is a spiritual place, kind of like a church. It is not appropriate to go around demanding things in such places, as you are a visitor so like a church, you can't go up to a priest when he's offering the wine and 'bread', grab the cup or bowl from his hands even less so when there's people lined up behind you. So yes the spoon was wet because he grabbed the medals from a container about 1 liter filled with this liquid amrit where the medals sit overnight ...
(1)That's just it, they are *not* trying to conceal it at allm if they were, it'd wouldn't be there for 30+ years! SaiBaba and other swami's use their powers like this as "spiritual candy". By this it is meant that a doubter upon seeing a miracle will be so phased and astonished that instantly he becomes a spiritually devoted individual. It's funny, and I've seen it happen before, it's always the biggest skeptics that end up becoming the biggest spiritually inclined individuals.
Again, these have been there for 30 years, producing this "amrit" daily. Trying to do a thourough scientific study would be difficult because the man who manages the orphanage only allows people to view the medals at certain times of day (for spiritual reasons) and only for a few minutes at a time (plenty to convince, but not to study in a science lab). You would get no Nobel unless you could provide a peer reviewed hypothosis & ideally be able to repeat the results (good luck with that one).
I can not speak of all his other miracles, and I can even say nothing of the ash on the pictures that "they" claim appears afresh every other day, as I did not see this manifestation, only the result which is proof of nothing. I agree the video leaves room for doubt even for the amrit. If all I had seen was the video, I too could not believe, so I don't blame you for that. However, I was there in person(twice), held the medals in my hands and also watched my friends hold them.
(part6). Also, I wanted to point out that I am NOT a follower of SaiBaba, nor do I believe the "miracles" he performs these days are real. He is an example of a man who once had powers, but lost them (fall from grace), these days he fakes them all. Fortunately, the medals in this video were created 30 years ago by him. I know of one other "power object" in India wherefrom "amrit" also flows continuously, and is to continue flowing for another 900+ years, long after its creator Yogi is dead.
(part 5). So you see, I have spent almost as much time studying higher Yogas, as I have the science that claims I am an Engineer. I can tell you that BOTH are real, and I can also tell you that in time Science will be able to explain most of the siddhis of Yoga, but it may be a few centuries yet. You see, the "liquid" and "ash" in this video is not something new. It's been around for millenea, I can explain in much detail to you all about it, but Youtube is not a good forum for that.
...gross version of the Eastern science of Yoga. Now when I say "Yoga" I don't mean Hatha Yoga which may looks to the onlooker as physical stretching exercises. I speak of the higher Yogas such as the various Laya & Tantra. These provide instructions on how to attain "siddhis" which is the REAL magic. Look that word up on Wikipedia. Having had some minor siddhi experiences myself after many years of practice, I can attest to their reality.
(part3): 4) If you are a stage magician, then you should researcha and understand your roots. Stage magicians, originated by trying to imitate REAL magicians, or "Magi". Today, because of the misuse of the word "magic" which once was a word for the real thing, real magicians have now reverted to using the word "magicK" instead. That being said, I have little respect for most Western magicians that perform this so called "MagicK" because it is nearly always a diluted and gross version of ...
(part2): 3) Nearly all tricks that illusionists perform where the same person gets to attend the act and analyze the object get figured out on average after the 3rd or 4th time. If the illusionist or trick is especially good, perhaps after the 20th or 50th time, but the point is it gets figured out in a relatively short ammount of time. What you see in the video has been performed for over 30 years, some 4 or 5 days a week for dozens of people each day. Not 1 has yet been able to prove its fake!
Is it possible I have been deceived? There is a miniscule possibility, yes, but let me explain to you why I don't think I have. 1) I am an Engineer by trade, and have an extremely analytical mind. I am very detailed oriented and don't easily dismiss things that others ignore. 2) Nearly all "magic" illusions are in the control of the illusionist. Rarely do magicians let you analyze an object for MINUTES at a time, and never does the magic happens while object is in your hands.
Actually this one IS real. The only one I've ever seen with my own two eyes (not just Youtube video). Listen, even scientists don't claim to have all the answers. if 300 years ago you said that Radio waves were not scientific, that's only because science hadn't yet been able to explain it. Likewise, science can't *yet* explain this. It does not make it unreal, and I know it's not fake. I've had those little medals in my own hands. Zero tricks.
SPREAD love n peace!!! No need to point fingers...it only creates unhappiness and unsettled rest....Have faith and remember that whatever name you give GOD, whether Baba, Allah, Buddha, Jehovah etc...it's ALL ONE and loves you unconditionally.
Dear Attractionlaw, yesterday I wrote a reply adeptusluminati. was it deleted? look you are the who atleast allows me to post my views. While all other saibaba based websites are not allowing me. I make sure that I give proper reasons and logics to substantiate my views. Dont delete it. Let us be democratic so that the right wins on its own weight. But it is upto you
Hi muthushiv,your comments are welcome if the words come with respect to the other Being...
Individualy we all have a unique point of view...but in the essence we all are One...us we open our mind and heart...we can see the bigger picture.
Anyway,in this case,adeptusluminati,a german viewer and I have been there,we all say the same because we experience it,so to really support your theory 100% you would have to go there one day,I´m sure as a good cientist you need facts not just a video.
Friend, Vedic concept has three steps.They are shravana, Manana, and nidhidyasana.Hear it, grasp it and meditate it. In the above case, See it, analyze it and meditate on it. Only first step alone has been done, The analyzation has been done mentally using imagination. I am attempting to have an educated guess here. Then we need to meditate on it.All I am trying to say was to point out the right way instead of being too emotional abt. it. Thanks for your support and I will go there one day
They show that man is capable of higher things, although their miracles were also not the end of the path but rather point the way to spiritual paths that may lead to enlightenment. My best regards to you :)
WOW! I just came from a movie called "Iron man". Initially I was waiting for your reply as I thought you were online. Now I see I have a blast of response in 3 hrs time. Are you saying the so called miracle is flowing for 24 hrs which has rose essence and honey flavor. And you claim that this miracle. All I wanted was to test it. Till then hold your excitement. Instead of following my suggestion you are turning the table against me. Well, you were there right. What was your theory?
What expt. you did? Did you took this matter to IISC, bangalore where there are scientist who can perform HPLC/Mass spec. This will give the total ingredients. Sitting in US certainly I cant do that. However I know that it is nothing more than some sugar. Well what is the use of the excretion anyway when it has no benefit. Let me drink some lime juice with honey. By the way what miracle buddha did? He preached jnana. That is called enlightenment.
The original purpose of jnana of Shakaracharya is to put these miracles in its own subsidary place and giving logics and truth the highest glory. That is the right path. With due respect to Tantra, with wrong hands it is dangerous. Let him calim that he is a tantric and perform it. No problem.But he claims that he is god. I already mentioned science is commensense at its best with out any bias. What was your attempt in that stake?
My path is logical,scientific and regarding realization. The marga prescribed by gurus who never indulged in tricks but surely gave enlightenment. A guru has to do that. Sri Ramakrishna did to Vivekananda.Sri Krishna did to Arujuna.Buddha did to his disciples. Please show me something like that in Saibaba's life.
My very dear friend. Man can do the greatest feats in the world. If Jesus can fix an eye to a blind man and if that was considered a miracle then millions of doctors are performing it.What man cannot do! My only concern is how we achieve enlightenment. Is it through tricks or through empathy and compassion.I choose the later.The path of trick is always slippery.Great masters in the past never did tricks, let it be buddha, shankara, Ramana, Ramakrishna and they stood against it.God bless you.
....question their own life beliefs and eventually seriously look into spirituality because they realize that science does not provide all the answers. In short, it brings people into spirituality by means of triggering their curiosity. This amrit does not cure any illnesses or serve any other purpose. It is what it is. The miracles of Christ or Buddha, were also not cheap tricks.
The purpose behind a guru/yogi manifesting such miracles is to open the eyes of those who have not yet looked into spirituality seriously, and make them question the convictions of their own reality. If you are already on a spiritual path to enlightenment, then obviously these "miracles" will serve YOU little purpose, but for instance, for non-spiritual Westerners whose "science" is their religion, when something like this defies the current laws of science, they begin to ...
You continue to make conclusions without even having been there. Further, you are just regurgigating borrowed philosophies to justify your conclusions. A person that already has his convictions written in stone, can not see beyond his own world. These "miracles" are explainable if you study the esoteric Laya & Tantric Yoga texts. Amrita is not unique to India, it is not unique to Saibaba, and also it does not provide imortality - believe me I drank it...
I have personally been to the temple in Mysore and held the very same enamel tokens in my hands and experienced the same effect as in the video.
I am an Engineer by profession; and, by that, it means that science is the basis of my training. From what I had seen in Mysore, I am convinced that there is something miraculous happening there. The laws of physics, as I know them, cannot explain what I had seen and experienced.
ein wunderschönes Video - Danke... ich habe es selbst vor vielen Jahren erlebt und bin immer noch erstaunt über dieses kleine aber so eindrucksvolle Wunder. Der Amrith ist überigens Supersüss - mehr als Honig! und duftet mal nach Rosen, mal nach Yasmin... Es ist in Indien das Symbol der Unsterblichkeit und wie elegant und delicat ist doch diese kleine aber beschaulich, ruhige und kontemplative Zeremonie!? Wer kan dagen etwas sagen, wenn er es selbst gesehen hat.
'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
"Since the uniquely powerful impact of Sathya Sai has become world-wide, many ignorant persons afflicted with envy and monetary greed are attempting to spin malicious tales to belittle and defame the culture of Bhaarath. The envious mind will be ever engaged in wrong. This has been so in every age when the Divine has come among mankind. But despite such tactics, the task will not falter, the Triumph will not be delayed."
"I shall tell you why I give these rings, talismans, rosaries etc. It is to signalise the bond between Me and those to whom they are given. When calamity befalls them, the article comes to Me in a flash and returns in a flash taking from Me the remedial Grace of protection. That Grace is available to all who call on Me in any Name or Form, not merely to those who wear these gifts. Love is the bond that wins Grace."
its all fake maybe that liquid is in frozen state inside that amulet..its all fake..baba is fake..if he is divine y does he need body gaurds and y cant he produce money by himself instead of begging for donation
"Mine is no mesmerism, miracle, or magic! Mine is genuine Divine Power. Small minds and limited intellects cannot comprehend them. They have no strength or stamina to grasp the magnificence and the majesty. God can do anything. He has all Power in the palm of His hand. My body, like all other bodies, is a temporary habitation; but My Power is Eternal, All-pervasive, and Ever-dominant."
"Pray to God with love. All noble souls and incarnations in the past had also to put up with criticism. You may ask why at all such criticism should arise? Criticism, in fact, adds to their glory."
"The Avatar (Divine Incarnation) has come solely for saving mankind in response to the yearnings of noble people. He is aware of the past, present and future of all. He has come to lead and liberate. He comes when a large number of good men are afflicted with fear of the survival of goodness. The Lord incarnates to feed their drooping spirits and revive faith and courage in their hearts."
'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' - Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
@MrTonyshit80 anything one does comes back to him no matter who u are .so fuck u the biggest shithism:) in other words u need shower now:)go and take it:))slowly until all dirt is gone:)
Dear Supralee, Let we talk about the truth, rational and logic. Do you believe about miracle happened in this world..? I said to you there are no miracle in this world, since from there child and now be an adult..tell the truth..how many time miracle happened to you...? all of the things could be explain by science..
@MrTonyshit80 yes i can.me:)you could never explain me by limited materialistic science.so i challange u name me one thing out of your science that i could not do with u.i can do anything.i can make u beggar or rich man i can make you religious or put you to the knees before sai baba and u will worship him day and night.or i can make u more stupid and materialistic .i can do all that but can u:)so name me thing u want to became and i do that that is the proof to u-yourself!:)
sai baba materialise ring that are evalueted to 3 millions of dollard. a fake man give these ring to them? i dont think its for money. some time a fake devote receive a ring. he law and try to sell it and them its become crap just before he sell it the ring start to self destroy.
You must have heard people say that mine is all magic. But the manifestation of divine power must not be interpreted in terms of magic. Magicians play their tricks for earning their maintenance, worldly fame, and wealth. They are based on falsehood and they thrive on deceit, but this body could never stoop to such a low level. This body has come through the Lord's resolve to come. That resolve is intended to uphold truth (sathya).
saidas108 claims to know that tens of millions of devotes have been transforming themselves through decades. He must have been very busy studying them all before and after - and even then one may doubt whether it is not just talk and a facade. I knew dozens very well indeed, but can see very little transformation indeed - some got even more abrasive egos. The VIPs Sai Baba chose are mostly very manipulative and, but they parrot nice words while arrogant in their behaviour, just like Sai Baba too
Why those lockets are taken from cup having liquid and putting them back in to the same cup? There lies the reason behind the materializing amrita. Again a simple cheap trick to cheat people who lost their mind.
When I was at Puttaparthi 1996 one friend thought Baba was cheating, then another friend thought the same and then I decided to look too. All 3 of us ended up with eye infection teh next day. I've seen both fake and real miracles. But I know in heart who Baba is and THAT is the real test.
ps: how on earth would he fake thousands of miracles across the clobe? Look around you, what you see? The universe! But doubt some amrit in a hand? lol?
Though impressive to see, these kinds of miracles (I have seen quite a few up close)have never impressed me as much as the miracle of what Baba has done worldwide with tens of millions of devotees transforming them for decades. For 70 years, he never stops doing his divine work, never rests. No human could remotely come close to what Baba does. Most of his miracles go unseen and unknown by us. It is only natural that some people will be skeptical as many are jaded and their minds work that way.
I was there in '76 when it was just a tiny place on the river. I 2 had the amulets secrete onto my palm for several minutes without the spoon & had 2 keep licking it off. They were then put into an empty glass jar w/no spoon that sat on a table before us which then filled with Amrith in a couple of hours as we sang. Doubters will always doubt.
Baba has said not to go there anymore as H has is hustling for money now. I lived in Mysore last year and went there again and that was my feeling too.
Did you gave the taxi driver good tip at the end? Look basically these stories are floating around for so long and so common in those circles and I am pretty much sure that's a tactic through which the community is integrated "miracle" and "hearsay". It is a typical attitude of self serving gurus in India. Plus the taxi driver to extract tip from you might have boosted these stories to ensure you give him good will tips. Thorough investigation is alone a good answer
sairam I had read an article containing these very lines in a website called saibaba-aclearview.If you are the one who wrote that also then I am extremely grateful, for that article reaffirmed my faith in the lord.And thanks for the visual proof too.Aham Brahmasmi!
My experimental design is to take that medal and subject it to spectrophotometric and Microscopic analysis which will tell what is it made of.The earlier analysis will tell you the composition of the medal while the later will tell you the structure of it. The secretion also need to be analyzed esp. through HPLC and this will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis will precisely tell the source of it.These are the immediate experiments I would do.
Also, I should also mention that I actually DID bring a video camera there to film this exact thing even the first time, but he did not allow for cameras to film, not even picture taking. So I'd like to know if anybody knows what they need to do to convince him to allow video, because he obviously has allowed here and there. I have seen 2 or 3 other videos like this from the orphanage.
I might go to Mysore again in the next 2 to 3 years. This would then be my 3rd visit to this orphanage if I go, and assuming the old guy is still around and this thing is still being displayed. I will do what I can then to acquire better "proof"; however, I know the orphanage man is a strict SaiBaba devotee and will highly likely not entertain any lengthy scientific investigations, because let's face it from his perspective, he's seen this thing: 30 years * 365 days/yr = 10,950 times ;-)
Man I love you. Write the truth about Saibaba with out any fear or favor. Your words are awesome. Keep it up. Make sure the words we write carry full of substance and no nonsence. Rest is upto the own weight of the argument
But this guy is fake, watch the spoon carefully, he keeps it inside the container everytime. there will be some residue on it. Also the shape of the medallion, will have some residue on it. Question everything..
I have personally witnessed baba's miracles, but I dont believe in them, when money is involved.
Yes this video does not constitute as proof. I already told you there is no such thing as "miracles", you need to study siddhis and yogic science to understand how this is possible; this one in particular however is not an illusion/trick. The spoon was not dipped back in the bucket. No measuring container is required to see that even if the spoon may have carried 1, max 2 drops worth when he first took out the medals, this does not equate 3 minutes of continuous stream adding to 6 or 7 spoons.
Why are you doing this? We already discussed that this event has no scientific or pure reasoning basis. Do you know what tantra means? Have you ever practiced it. This saibaba is a charlatan, you just refused to come to any logical discussion but keep insisting on misleaded Guru/Tantra/Yoga - a hotchpotch. It is a shame for hindu dharma as you people project him as a Guru. I am crying.
read my comments carefully. It produced 10 TIMES the volume of amrit than the size of the medals.. that's over 6 or 7 spoons worth. A few drips already on the spoon is not equal to 6 or 7 spoons worth! You need to stop trying to come to conclusions about something you have not witnessed yourself. And yes there is *NO* miracle. You can not break the laws of nature, however there is the possibility you do not yet know them all (aka. scientists who are still discovering...)
Mehaji, these kinds of loose words are useless in this modern world which should only be governed by pure reasoning. If it is no miracle then why it should be even represented in the first place?Plus why cant Saibaba help all the scientists to discover knew natural laws.Why is he hiding the moment scientists say that they want to analyze his acts. Please dont represent him. ChrisHi5Magic has some valuable suggestions which should be considered. Dont overturn him.
Muthushiv, you speak of "pure reasoning", but you yourself do not abide by such a thing. Where is your pure reasoning when you have such a strong opinion about something you have not even seen with your own 2 eyes? Forget if SaiBaba is real or not. This "miracle" if real, still does not prove anything about SaiBaba. Deal with the miracle on its own. Be a good scientist because only such are capable of "pure reasoning", otherwise, your words are no better than Sai devotees who believe anything.
Admit it, the first thing a good scientist would do is say the following: 'By our current known laws, such a "miracle" does not seem possible; however we will investigate and then later form final opinions. Should such a "miracle" be real, it will be very exciting, because it means we are being presented with new fronteirs for the Scientific community to discover, understand and later, possibly ues this knowledge to benefit mankind'.
Again dont find fault with scientists. They are pleading at their high voice for scientific verification. Only Saibaba kind of people are hiding. Tell me how should I approach this. You yourself claim that you were not allowed to picture it, then how am I supposed to do analysis? But still you want me to believe that it is not magic but some undiscovered scientific principle. Come on get life will you.
Ok, I'm done answering questions on here, I will focus what little spare time I have over the next few weeks or couple of months putting together a web page to explain this whole matter in an unbiased and detailed manner.
"this man is a fraud". Yes, he is, but he wasn't in his youth. The truth is far more complex than you think. Things are not black and white, life is more like a grey area ;-) Both doubters that have never seen the miracle are as wrong as those believers that see this miracle and automatically believe all other ones by SaiBaba are real, and even worse believe that he is a man-god, when he is anything but.
(11) and not merely believe that of what others say. Buddha said the same thing about spirituality, and his entire religion is based on "here's the info, now go confirm that this is true for yourself, if you can not, then discard it!". He was the biggest spiritual scientist! And no, I am also not a buddhist ;-) The deeper truth is that no laws are actually broken, only new ones not yet discovered (by science) are at play here (mostly to do with quantum physics and other dimensions).
(10) But more convincing than this is that, this liquid is not merely some chemistry biproduct that would likely be toxic to ingest, the "amrit" being produced is 90% like a liquid honey (it tastes and looks like it), but has the most intense sweet rose scent you have ever smelt, it permeates the room with its rose scent, it is not only beautiful but also delicious, as you are encouraged to eat it. A good scientist looks to be able to repeat the results for himself to reach his own conviction...
(9)supposedly producing non-stop. But it was enough for me to see that in 3+ minutes the medals produced over 10 TIMES an ammount of liquid superior to their volume, and I saw this 3 times in a row as I had 2 other friends equally astonished with me! The only possible scientific explanation for that would be some kind of chemical reaction; however since you can't produce something out of nothing, it would require the medals to also begin to deteriorate and they did not.
(7)with step by step explanations that are unbiased. Then when people ask, I can point them there. New questions will warrant new essays, until all questions are exhausted. Lastly, I just want to say that you can NOT and must NOT conclude anything until you see it with your own eyes, or in this case, in your own hands. What I'm about to say should also not convince you. You ask if the spoon was wet or if I had dried it, etc. You have to understand that the location where...
(6)...where they often feel compelled to give some kind of small donation. In my case baloons, stickers and bouncing balls for the children. You should have seen their smiles and joy! You know, I could write entire essays on this subject as I've spent a few years investigating such "miracles" and have seen a handful, and read countless books on how they are performed so instead of replying here on youtube, I'm thinking it makes more sense to create a web page ...
(4)... exciting as watching water come out of the faucet. Even an ignorant amazon tribesman eventually will get bored from watching water come out of the faucet. hehe. Eventually, you put the "miracle" aside and investigate the WHY/HOW, which leads you upon a spiritual quest that ultimately impresses upon you that the answer to such questions while attainable from some gurus is a far distant second cousin to the benefits of true spirituality in man and herein you have ...
(5)fulfilled the guru's plan - he has attracted you by your curiosity of something interesting (but otherwise useless phenomenon), to something far far greater - the persuit of self-realization and end of suffering.
So it's not concealed because it is used as a way to recruit people into spirituality. The second reason is that by opening up the seeing of this "miracle" to the public, it attracts people from all over the world, but specifically, to the orphanage
(3)... provided such result for any other scientist), and focuses his intensity and being towards investigating spirituality because it seems superior. When a guru/swami/yogi etc, is involved in producing the "miracle", it is likely the person will turn towards them for the spiritual quest and for answers, and so a long journey begins. Eventually, if you see miracles a few times, they just become surreal and no longer shock. Watching liquid flow from metal becomes about as...
(2)This is because a true skeptic (usually the scientifically minded), observes in detail, understands the laws of nature and after investigation and not finding any trickery is truly shocked, because his world of science no longer makes sense, because many (current) science laws seemed to have been broken! He then stops spending his fervor towards science seeing as the accumulation of endless knowledge that will never lead to his own ending of suffering (as it has never...
(8)the medals are is a spiritual place, kind of like a church. It is not appropriate to go around demanding things in such places, as you are a visitor so like a church, you can't go up to a priest when he's offering the wine and 'bread', grab the cup or bowl from his hands even less so when there's people lined up behind you. So yes the spoon was wet because he grabbed the medals from a container about 1 liter filled with this liquid amrit where the medals sit overnight ...
(1)That's just it, they are *not* trying to conceal it at allm if they were, it'd wouldn't be there for 30+ years! SaiBaba and other swami's use their powers like this as "spiritual candy". By this it is meant that a doubter upon seeing a miracle will be so phased and astonished that instantly he becomes a spiritually devoted individual. It's funny, and I've seen it happen before, it's always the biggest skeptics that end up becoming the biggest spiritually inclined individuals.
Again, these have been there for 30 years, producing this "amrit" daily. Trying to do a thourough scientific study would be difficult because the man who manages the orphanage only allows people to view the medals at certain times of day (for spiritual reasons) and only for a few minutes at a time (plenty to convince, but not to study in a science lab). You would get no Nobel unless you could provide a peer reviewed hypothosis & ideally be able to repeat the results (good luck with that one).
I can not speak of all his other miracles, and I can even say nothing of the ash on the pictures that "they" claim appears afresh every other day, as I did not see this manifestation, only the result which is proof of nothing. I agree the video leaves room for doubt even for the amrit. If all I had seen was the video, I too could not believe, so I don't blame you for that. However, I was there in person(twice), held the medals in my hands and also watched my friends hold them.
(part6). Also, I wanted to point out that I am NOT a follower of SaiBaba, nor do I believe the "miracles" he performs these days are real. He is an example of a man who once had powers, but lost them (fall from grace), these days he fakes them all. Fortunately, the medals in this video were created 30 years ago by him. I know of one other "power object" in India wherefrom "amrit" also flows continuously, and is to continue flowing for another 900+ years, long after its creator Yogi is dead.
(part 5). So you see, I have spent almost as much time studying higher Yogas, as I have the science that claims I am an Engineer. I can tell you that BOTH are real, and I can also tell you that in time Science will be able to explain most of the siddhis of Yoga, but it may be a few centuries yet. You see, the "liquid" and "ash" in this video is not something new. It's been around for millenea, I can explain in much detail to you all about it, but Youtube is not a good forum for that.
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Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
vurimalla 10 months ago
Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
vurimalla 10 months ago
Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
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'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
4bbc 1 year ago
"Since the uniquely powerful impact of Sathya Sai has become world-wide, many ignorant persons afflicted with envy and monetary greed are attempting to spin malicious tales to belittle and defame the culture of Bhaarath. The envious mind will be ever engaged in wrong. This has been so in every age when the Divine has come among mankind. But despite such tactics, the task will not falter, the Triumph will not be delayed."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
of course, That why India became the biggest country exporter the honey for the whole world
And Indian also the country poorest peoples in the world... But i sure Sai Baba Shit will save them
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
"I shall tell you why I give these rings, talismans, rosaries etc. It is to signalise the bond between Me and those to whom they are given. When calamity befalls them, the article comes to Me in a flash and returns in a flash taking from Me the remedial Grace of protection. That Grace is available to all who call on Me in any Name or Form, not merely to those who wear these gifts. Love is the bond that wins Grace."
- Baba
4bbc 2 years ago
its all fake maybe that liquid is in frozen state inside that amulet..its all fake..baba is fake..if he is divine y does he need body gaurds and y cant he produce money by himself instead of begging for donation
k7670 2 years ago
@k7670
Yes you are right...absolutely right....Le t we FUCK THE SAI BABA FULL OF SHITS...FOOLS THE PEOPLES
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
"Mine is no mesmerism, miracle, or magic! Mine is genuine Divine Power. Small minds and limited intellects cannot comprehend them. They have no strength or stamina to grasp the magnificence and the majesty. God can do anything. He has all Power in the palm of His hand. My body, like all other bodies, is a temporary habitation; but My Power is Eternal, All-pervasive, and Ever-dominant."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc for second time, Fuck Baba the biggest shitsm
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
"Pray to God with love. All noble souls and incarnations in the past had also to put up with criticism. You may ask why at all such criticism should arise? Criticism, in fact, adds to their glory."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
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@MrTonyshit80
"The Avatar (Divine Incarnation) has come solely for saving mankind in response to the yearnings of noble people. He is aware of the past, present and future of all. He has come to lead and liberate. He comes when a large number of good men are afflicted with fear of the survival of goodness. The Lord incarnates to feed their drooping spirits and revive faith and courage in their hearts."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' - Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
4bbc 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 anything one does comes back to him no matter who u are .so fuck u the biggest shithism:) in other words u need shower now:)go and take it:))slowly until all dirt is gone:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee ...are you sick..?
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 i wrote back your own comment and u ask are u sick i think seriously u are:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee
Dear Supralee, Let we talk about the truth, rational and logic. Do you believe about miracle happened in this world..? I said to you there are no miracle in this world, since from there child and now be an adult..tell the truth..how many time miracle happened to you...? all of the things could be explain by science..
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 yes i can.me:)you could never explain me by limited materialistic science.so i challange u name me one thing out of your science that i could not do with u.i can do anything.i can make u beggar or rich man i can make you religious or put you to the knees before sai baba and u will worship him day and night.or i can make u more stupid and materialistic .i can do all that but can u:)so name me thing u want to became and i do that that is the proof to u-yourself!:)
supralee 1 year ago
fake.. rascal
baalzaeb 2 years ago
sai baba materialise ring that are evalueted to 3 millions of dollard. a fake man give these ring to them? i dont think its for money. some time a fake devote receive a ring. he law and try to sell it and them its become crap just before he sell it the ring start to self destroy.
Prexier64 2 years ago
i wish everything would rot away as soon as it was being used for selfish purposes =D
faszika 2 years ago
Watch him put the nectar on with the spoon
740446 2 years ago
this is taken from sai baba's 1968 Mission Speech
You must have heard people say that mine is all magic. But the manifestation of divine power must not be interpreted in terms of magic. Magicians play their tricks for earning their maintenance, worldly fame, and wealth. They are based on falsehood and they thrive on deceit, but this body could never stoop to such a low level. This body has come through the Lord's resolve to come. That resolve is intended to uphold truth (sathya).
740446 2 years ago
He puts nectar on with the spoon. Clever but a trick.
He gets lots of money from this.
740446 2 years ago
saidas108 claims to know that tens of millions of devotes have been transforming themselves through decades. He must have been very busy studying them all before and after - and even then one may doubt whether it is not just talk and a facade. I knew dozens very well indeed, but can see very little transformation indeed - some got even more abrasive egos. The VIPs Sai Baba chose are mostly very manipulative and, but they parrot nice words while arrogant in their behaviour, just like Sai Baba too
MrRobertCPriddy 2 years ago
wow oh my.this is amazing
love7277 2 years ago
sai ram,
how did they allow this video to be taken?
balajimani8765 2 years ago
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venushole2001 3 years ago
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venushole2001 3 years ago
Why those lockets are taken from cup having liquid and putting them back in to the same cup? There lies the reason behind the materializing amrita. Again a simple cheap trick to cheat people who lost their mind.
shivrajvishnu 3 years ago
I was there 1996 and 2000 and saw this amrita.
When I was at Puttaparthi 1996 one friend thought Baba was cheating, then another friend thought the same and then I decided to look too. All 3 of us ended up with eye infection teh next day. I've seen both fake and real miracles. But I know in heart who Baba is and THAT is the real test.
ps: how on earth would he fake thousands of miracles across the clobe? Look around you, what you see? The universe! But doubt some amrit in a hand? lol?
ek4nt4 3 years ago
Though impressive to see, these kinds of miracles (I have seen quite a few up close)have never impressed me as much as the miracle of what Baba has done worldwide with tens of millions of devotees transforming them for decades. For 70 years, he never stops doing his divine work, never rests. No human could remotely come close to what Baba does. Most of his miracles go unseen and unknown by us. It is only natural that some people will be skeptical as many are jaded and their minds work that way.
saidas108 3 years ago
I was there in '76 when it was just a tiny place on the river. I 2 had the amulets secrete onto my palm for several minutes without the spoon & had 2 keep licking it off. They were then put into an empty glass jar w/no spoon that sat on a table before us which then filled with Amrith in a couple of hours as we sang. Doubters will always doubt.
Baba has said not to go there anymore as H has is hustling for money now. I lived in Mysore last year and went there again and that was my feeling too.
saidas108 3 years ago
Did you gave the taxi driver good tip at the end? Look basically these stories are floating around for so long and so common in those circles and I am pretty much sure that's a tactic through which the community is integrated "miracle" and "hearsay". It is a typical attitude of self serving gurus in India. Plus the taxi driver to extract tip from you might have boosted these stories to ensure you give him good will tips. Thorough investigation is alone a good answer
muthushiv 3 years ago
sairam I had read an article containing these very lines in a website called saibaba-aclearview.If you are the one who wrote that also then I am extremely grateful, for that article reaffirmed my faith in the lord.And thanks for the visual proof too.Aham Brahmasmi!
indiathebest 3 years ago
My experimental design is to take that medal and subject it to spectrophotometric and Microscopic analysis which will tell what is it made of.The earlier analysis will tell you the composition of the medal while the later will tell you the structure of it. The secretion also need to be analyzed esp. through HPLC and this will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis will precisely tell the source of it.These are the immediate experiments I would do.
muthushiv 3 years ago
@muthushiv ' will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis 'etc
lol
CulturalMyths 1 year ago
Also, I should also mention that I actually DID bring a video camera there to film this exact thing even the first time, but he did not allow for cameras to film, not even picture taking. So I'd like to know if anybody knows what they need to do to convince him to allow video, because he obviously has allowed here and there. I have seen 2 or 3 other videos like this from the orphanage.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
I might go to Mysore again in the next 2 to 3 years. This would then be my 3rd visit to this orphanage if I go, and assuming the old guy is still around and this thing is still being displayed. I will do what I can then to acquire better "proof"; however, I know the orphanage man is a strict SaiBaba devotee and will highly likely not entertain any lengthy scientific investigations, because let's face it from his perspective, he's seen this thing: 30 years * 365 days/yr = 10,950 times ;-)
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
You do it and I am doing the same service as much as I can do.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Man I love you. Write the truth about Saibaba with out any fear or favor. Your words are awesome. Keep it up. Make sure the words we write carry full of substance and no nonsence. Rest is upto the own weight of the argument
muthushiv 3 years ago
I am not against baba!
But this guy is fake, watch the spoon carefully, he keeps it inside the container everytime. there will be some residue on it. Also the shape of the medallion, will have some residue on it. Question everything..
I have personally witnessed baba's miracles, but I dont believe in them, when money is involved.
krishnakanthc 3 years ago
If anyone goes there, ask this guy to clean the medallions dry and use a dry spoon.
Want to experiment anyone ? I will as soon as I can
krishnakanthc 3 years ago
Yes this video does not constitute as proof. I already told you there is no such thing as "miracles", you need to study siddhis and yogic science to understand how this is possible; this one in particular however is not an illusion/trick. The spoon was not dipped back in the bucket. No measuring container is required to see that even if the spoon may have carried 1, max 2 drops worth when he first took out the medals, this does not equate 3 minutes of continuous stream adding to 6 or 7 spoons.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Why are you doing this? We already discussed that this event has no scientific or pure reasoning basis. Do you know what tantra means? Have you ever practiced it. This saibaba is a charlatan, you just refused to come to any logical discussion but keep insisting on misleaded Guru/Tantra/Yoga - a hotchpotch. It is a shame for hindu dharma as you people project him as a Guru. I am crying.
muthushiv 3 years ago
read my comments carefully. It produced 10 TIMES the volume of amrit than the size of the medals.. that's over 6 or 7 spoons worth. A few drips already on the spoon is not equal to 6 or 7 spoons worth! You need to stop trying to come to conclusions about something you have not witnessed yourself. And yes there is *NO* miracle. You can not break the laws of nature, however there is the possibility you do not yet know them all (aka. scientists who are still discovering...)
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Mehaji, these kinds of loose words are useless in this modern world which should only be governed by pure reasoning. If it is no miracle then why it should be even represented in the first place?Plus why cant Saibaba help all the scientists to discover knew natural laws.Why is he hiding the moment scientists say that they want to analyze his acts. Please dont represent him. ChrisHi5Magic has some valuable suggestions which should be considered. Dont overturn him.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Muthushiv, you speak of "pure reasoning", but you yourself do not abide by such a thing. Where is your pure reasoning when you have such a strong opinion about something you have not even seen with your own 2 eyes? Forget if SaiBaba is real or not. This "miracle" if real, still does not prove anything about SaiBaba. Deal with the miracle on its own. Be a good scientist because only such are capable of "pure reasoning", otherwise, your words are no better than Sai devotees who believe anything.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Admit it, the first thing a good scientist would do is say the following: 'By our current known laws, such a "miracle" does not seem possible; however we will investigate and then later form final opinions. Should such a "miracle" be real, it will be very exciting, because it means we are being presented with new fronteirs for the Scientific community to discover, understand and later, possibly ues this knowledge to benefit mankind'.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Again dont find fault with scientists. They are pleading at their high voice for scientific verification. Only Saibaba kind of people are hiding. Tell me how should I approach this. You yourself claim that you were not allowed to picture it, then how am I supposed to do analysis? But still you want me to believe that it is not magic but some undiscovered scientific principle. Come on get life will you.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Ok, I'm done answering questions on here, I will focus what little spare time I have over the next few weeks or couple of months putting together a web page to explain this whole matter in an unbiased and detailed manner.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
"this man is a fraud". Yes, he is, but he wasn't in his youth. The truth is far more complex than you think. Things are not black and white, life is more like a grey area ;-) Both doubters that have never seen the miracle are as wrong as those believers that see this miracle and automatically believe all other ones by SaiBaba are real, and even worse believe that he is a man-god, when he is anything but.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(11) and not merely believe that of what others say. Buddha said the same thing about spirituality, and his entire religion is based on "here's the info, now go confirm that this is true for yourself, if you can not, then discard it!". He was the biggest spiritual scientist! And no, I am also not a buddhist ;-) The deeper truth is that no laws are actually broken, only new ones not yet discovered (by science) are at play here (mostly to do with quantum physics and other dimensions).
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(10) But more convincing than this is that, this liquid is not merely some chemistry biproduct that would likely be toxic to ingest, the "amrit" being produced is 90% like a liquid honey (it tastes and looks like it), but has the most intense sweet rose scent you have ever smelt, it permeates the room with its rose scent, it is not only beautiful but also delicious, as you are encouraged to eat it. A good scientist looks to be able to repeat the results for himself to reach his own conviction...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(9)supposedly producing non-stop. But it was enough for me to see that in 3+ minutes the medals produced over 10 TIMES an ammount of liquid superior to their volume, and I saw this 3 times in a row as I had 2 other friends equally astonished with me! The only possible scientific explanation for that would be some kind of chemical reaction; however since you can't produce something out of nothing, it would require the medals to also begin to deteriorate and they did not.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(7)with step by step explanations that are unbiased. Then when people ask, I can point them there. New questions will warrant new essays, until all questions are exhausted. Lastly, I just want to say that you can NOT and must NOT conclude anything until you see it with your own eyes, or in this case, in your own hands. What I'm about to say should also not convince you. You ask if the spoon was wet or if I had dried it, etc. You have to understand that the location where...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(6)...where they often feel compelled to give some kind of small donation. In my case baloons, stickers and bouncing balls for the children. You should have seen their smiles and joy! You know, I could write entire essays on this subject as I've spent a few years investigating such "miracles" and have seen a handful, and read countless books on how they are performed so instead of replying here on youtube, I'm thinking it makes more sense to create a web page ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(4)... exciting as watching water come out of the faucet. Even an ignorant amazon tribesman eventually will get bored from watching water come out of the faucet. hehe. Eventually, you put the "miracle" aside and investigate the WHY/HOW, which leads you upon a spiritual quest that ultimately impresses upon you that the answer to such questions while attainable from some gurus is a far distant second cousin to the benefits of true spirituality in man and herein you have ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(5)fulfilled the guru's plan - he has attracted you by your curiosity of something interesting (but otherwise useless phenomenon), to something far far greater - the persuit of self-realization and end of suffering.
So it's not concealed because it is used as a way to recruit people into spirituality. The second reason is that by opening up the seeing of this "miracle" to the public, it attracts people from all over the world, but specifically, to the orphanage
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(3)... provided such result for any other scientist), and focuses his intensity and being towards investigating spirituality because it seems superior. When a guru/swami/yogi etc, is involved in producing the "miracle", it is likely the person will turn towards them for the spiritual quest and for answers, and so a long journey begins. Eventually, if you see miracles a few times, they just become surreal and no longer shock. Watching liquid flow from metal becomes about as...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(2)This is because a true skeptic (usually the scientifically minded), observes in detail, understands the laws of nature and after investigation and not finding any trickery is truly shocked, because his world of science no longer makes sense, because many (current) science laws seemed to have been broken! He then stops spending his fervor towards science seeing as the accumulation of endless knowledge that will never lead to his own ending of suffering (as it has never...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(8)the medals are is a spiritual place, kind of like a church. It is not appropriate to go around demanding things in such places, as you are a visitor so like a church, you can't go up to a priest when he's offering the wine and 'bread', grab the cup or bowl from his hands even less so when there's people lined up behind you. So yes the spoon was wet because he grabbed the medals from a container about 1 liter filled with this liquid amrit where the medals sit overnight ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(1)That's just it, they are *not* trying to conceal it at allm if they were, it'd wouldn't be there for 30+ years! SaiBaba and other swami's use their powers like this as "spiritual candy". By this it is meant that a doubter upon seeing a miracle will be so phased and astonished that instantly he becomes a spiritually devoted individual. It's funny, and I've seen it happen before, it's always the biggest skeptics that end up becoming the biggest spiritually inclined individuals.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Again, these have been there for 30 years, producing this "amrit" daily. Trying to do a thourough scientific study would be difficult because the man who manages the orphanage only allows people to view the medals at certain times of day (for spiritual reasons) and only for a few minutes at a time (plenty to convince, but not to study in a science lab). You would get no Nobel unless you could provide a peer reviewed hypothosis & ideally be able to repeat the results (good luck with that one).
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
I can not speak of all his other miracles, and I can even say nothing of the ash on the pictures that "they" claim appears afresh every other day, as I did not see this manifestation, only the result which is proof of nothing. I agree the video leaves room for doubt even for the amrit. If all I had seen was the video, I too could not believe, so I don't blame you for that. However, I was there in person(twice), held the medals in my hands and also watched my friends hold them.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part6). Also, I wanted to point out that I am NOT a follower of SaiBaba, nor do I believe the "miracles" he performs these days are real. He is an example of a man who once had powers, but lost them (fall from grace), these days he fakes them all. Fortunately, the medals in this video were created 30 years ago by him. I know of one other "power object" in India wherefrom "amrit" also flows continuously, and is to continue flowing for another 900+ years, long after its creator Yogi is dead.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part 5). So you see, I have spent almost as much time studying higher Yogas, as I have the science that claims I am an Engineer. I can tell you that BOTH are real, and I can also tell you that in time Science will be able to explain most of the siddhis of Yoga, but it may be a few centuries yet. You see, the "liquid" and "ash" in this video is not something new. It's been around for millenea, I can explain in much detail to you all about it, but Youtube is not a good forum for that.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
...gross version of the Eastern science of Yoga. Now when I say "Yoga" I don't mean Hatha Yoga which may looks to the onlooker as physical stretching exercises. I speak of the higher Yogas such as the various Laya & Tantra. These provide instructions on how to attain "siddhis" which is the REAL magic. Look that word up on Wikipedia. Having had some minor siddhi experiences myself after many years of practice, I can attest to their reality.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part3): 4) If you are a stage magician, then you should researcha and understand your roots. Stage magicians, originated by trying to imitate REAL magicians, or "Magi". Today, because of the misuse of the word "magic" which once was a word for the real thing, real magicians have now reverted to using the word "magicK" instead. That being said, I have little respect for most Western magicians that perform this so called "MagicK" because it is nearly always a diluted and gross version of ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part2): 3) Nearly all tricks that illusionists perform where the same person gets to attend the act and analyze the object get figured out on average after the 3rd or 4th time. If the illusionist or trick is especially good, perhaps after the 20th or 50th time, but the point is it gets figured out in a relatively short ammount of time. What you see in the video has been performed for over 30 years, some 4 or 5 days a week for dozens of people each day. Not 1 has yet been able to prove its fake!
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Is it possible I have been deceived? There is a miniscule possibility, yes, but let me explain to you why I don't think I have. 1) I am an Engineer by trade, and have an extremely analytical mind. I am very detailed oriented and don't easily dismiss things that others ignore. 2) Nearly all "magic" illusions are in the control of the illusionist. Rarely do magicians let you analyze an object for MINUTES at a time, and never does the magic happens while object is in your hands.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Actually this one IS real. The only one I've ever seen with my own two eyes (not just Youtube video). Listen, even scientists don't claim to have all the answers. if 300 years ago you said that Radio waves were not scientific, that's only because science hadn't yet been able to explain it. Likewise, science can't *yet* explain this. It does not make it unreal, and I know it's not fake. I've had those little medals in my own hands. Zero tricks.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
SPREAD love n peace!!! No need to point fingers...it only creates unhappiness and unsettled rest....Have faith and remember that whatever name you give GOD, whether Baba, Allah, Buddha, Jehovah etc...it's ALL ONE and loves you unconditionally.
Jai Sai Ram
ElectrifiedByYou 3 years ago
Sai Ram !!!
alex250857 3 years ago
I am sorry Attraction law, I take my word back. It is appearing, but I wrote the comment somewhere else which disappeared. Sorry for the inconvinence
muthushiv 3 years ago
LOVE & LIGHT
:-)
attractionlaw 3 years ago
Dear Attractionlaw, yesterday I wrote a reply adeptusluminati. was it deleted? look you are the who atleast allows me to post my views. While all other saibaba based websites are not allowing me. I make sure that I give proper reasons and logics to substantiate my views. Dont delete it. Let us be democratic so that the right wins on its own weight. But it is upto you
muthushiv 3 years ago
Hi muthushiv,your comments are welcome if the words come with respect to the other Being...
Individualy we all have a unique point of view...but in the essence we all are One...us we open our mind and heart...we can see the bigger picture.
Anyway,in this case,adeptusluminati,a german viewer and I have been there,we all say the same because we experience it,so to really support your theory 100% you would have to go there one day,I´m sure as a good cientist you need facts not just a video.
attractionlaw 3 years ago
Friend, Vedic concept has three steps.They are shravana, Manana, and nidhidyasana.Hear it, grasp it and meditate it. In the above case, See it, analyze it and meditate on it. Only first step alone has been done, The analyzation has been done mentally using imagination. I am attempting to have an educated guess here. Then we need to meditate on it.All I am trying to say was to point out the right way instead of being too emotional abt. it. Thanks for your support and I will go there one day
muthushiv 3 years ago
They show that man is capable of higher things, although their miracles were also not the end of the path but rather point the way to spiritual paths that may lead to enlightenment. My best regards to you :)
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
WOW! I just came from a movie called "Iron man". Initially I was waiting for your reply as I thought you were online. Now I see I have a blast of response in 3 hrs time. Are you saying the so called miracle is flowing for 24 hrs which has rose essence and honey flavor. And you claim that this miracle. All I wanted was to test it. Till then hold your excitement. Instead of following my suggestion you are turning the table against me. Well, you were there right. What was your theory?
muthushiv 3 years ago
What expt. you did? Did you took this matter to IISC, bangalore where there are scientist who can perform HPLC/Mass spec. This will give the total ingredients. Sitting in US certainly I cant do that. However I know that it is nothing more than some sugar. Well what is the use of the excretion anyway when it has no benefit. Let me drink some lime juice with honey. By the way what miracle buddha did? He preached jnana. That is called enlightenment.
muthushiv 3 years ago
The original purpose of jnana of Shakaracharya is to put these miracles in its own subsidary place and giving logics and truth the highest glory. That is the right path. With due respect to Tantra, with wrong hands it is dangerous. Let him calim that he is a tantric and perform it. No problem.But he claims that he is god. I already mentioned science is commensense at its best with out any bias. What was your attempt in that stake?
muthushiv 3 years ago
My path is logical,scientific and regarding realization. The marga prescribed by gurus who never indulged in tricks but surely gave enlightenment. A guru has to do that. Sri Ramakrishna did to Vivekananda.Sri Krishna did to Arujuna.Buddha did to his disciples. Please show me something like that in Saibaba's life.
muthushiv 3 years ago
My very dear friend. Man can do the greatest feats in the world. If Jesus can fix an eye to a blind man and if that was considered a miracle then millions of doctors are performing it.What man cannot do! My only concern is how we achieve enlightenment. Is it through tricks or through empathy and compassion.I choose the later.The path of trick is always slippery.Great masters in the past never did tricks, let it be buddha, shankara, Ramana, Ramakrishna and they stood against it.God bless you.
muthushiv 3 years ago
....question their own life beliefs and eventually seriously look into spirituality because they realize that science does not provide all the answers. In short, it brings people into spirituality by means of triggering their curiosity. This amrit does not cure any illnesses or serve any other purpose. It is what it is. The miracles of Christ or Buddha, were also not cheap tricks.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
The purpose behind a guru/yogi manifesting such miracles is to open the eyes of those who have not yet looked into spirituality seriously, and make them question the convictions of their own reality. If you are already on a spiritual path to enlightenment, then obviously these "miracles" will serve YOU little purpose, but for instance, for non-spiritual Westerners whose "science" is their religion, when something like this defies the current laws of science, they begin to ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
You continue to make conclusions without even having been there. Further, you are just regurgigating borrowed philosophies to justify your conclusions. A person that already has his convictions written in stone, can not see beyond his own world. These "miracles" are explainable if you study the esoteric Laya & Tantric Yoga texts. Amrita is not unique to India, it is not unique to Saibaba, and also it does not provide imortality - believe me I drank it...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Sai Baba is a conman. All of you followers are so deceived and tricked by him.
MatMelayu 3 years ago
rofnlol great magic show
saintsajid 3 years ago
I have personally been to the temple in Mysore and held the very same enamel tokens in my hands and experienced the same effect as in the video.
I am an Engineer by profession; and, by that, it means that science is the basis of my training. From what I had seen in Mysore, I am convinced that there is something miraculous happening there. The laws of physics, as I know them, cannot explain what I had seen and experienced.
melaka4 3 years ago 2
Wer zweifelt, sollte sofort ein ticket buchen und hinfahren - vielleicht kann es auch dem derzeitigen "doubting thomas" helfen
tias9 3 years ago
ein wunderschönes Video - Danke... ich habe es selbst vor vielen Jahren erlebt und bin immer noch erstaunt über dieses kleine aber so eindrucksvolle Wunder. Der Amrith ist überigens Supersüss - mehr als Honig! und duftet mal nach Rosen, mal nach Yasmin... Es ist in Indien das Symbol der Unsterblichkeit und wie elegant und delicat ist doch diese kleine aber beschaulich, ruhige und kontemplative Zeremonie!? Wer kan dagen etwas sagen, wenn er es selbst gesehen hat.
tias9 3 years ago
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Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
vurimalla 10 months ago
Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
vurimalla 10 months ago
Dear all,
I was almost near to the Death & Pain is greater to that.
But with his Love & Mercy i have survived. Baba gives infinite mothers love.
I Love Satyasaibaba.
vurimalla 10 months ago
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'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
4bbc 1 year ago
"Since the uniquely powerful impact of Sathya Sai has become world-wide, many ignorant persons afflicted with envy and monetary greed are attempting to spin malicious tales to belittle and defame the culture of Bhaarath. The envious mind will be ever engaged in wrong. This has been so in every age when the Divine has come among mankind. But despite such tactics, the task will not falter, the Triumph will not be delayed."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
of course, That why India became the biggest country exporter the honey for the whole world
And Indian also the country poorest peoples in the world... But i sure Sai Baba Shit will save them
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
"I shall tell you why I give these rings, talismans, rosaries etc. It is to signalise the bond between Me and those to whom they are given. When calamity befalls them, the article comes to Me in a flash and returns in a flash taking from Me the remedial Grace of protection. That Grace is available to all who call on Me in any Name or Form, not merely to those who wear these gifts. Love is the bond that wins Grace."
- Baba
4bbc 2 years ago
its all fake maybe that liquid is in frozen state inside that amulet..its all fake..baba is fake..if he is divine y does he need body gaurds and y cant he produce money by himself instead of begging for donation
k7670 2 years ago
@k7670
Yes you are right...absolutely right....Le t we FUCK THE SAI BABA FULL OF SHITS...FOOLS THE PEOPLES
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
"Mine is no mesmerism, miracle, or magic! Mine is genuine Divine Power. Small minds and limited intellects cannot comprehend them. They have no strength or stamina to grasp the magnificence and the majesty. God can do anything. He has all Power in the palm of His hand. My body, like all other bodies, is a temporary habitation; but My Power is Eternal, All-pervasive, and Ever-dominant."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc for second time, Fuck Baba the biggest shitsm
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
"Pray to God with love. All noble souls and incarnations in the past had also to put up with criticism. You may ask why at all such criticism should arise? Criticism, in fact, adds to their glory."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
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@MrTonyshit80
"The Avatar (Divine Incarnation) has come solely for saving mankind in response to the yearnings of noble people. He is aware of the past, present and future of all. He has come to lead and liberate. He comes when a large number of good men are afflicted with fear of the survival of goodness. The Lord incarnates to feed their drooping spirits and revive faith and courage in their hearts."
- Baba
4bbc 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80
'This Avatar has come to show us simple things, like a mother teaches a child, which deludes her. He has come to show us the Glory and Magnificence of God. He has come to guide us to the path that leads back to Him, a path that humanity has lost.' - Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
4bbc 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 anything one does comes back to him no matter who u are .so fuck u the biggest shithism:) in other words u need shower now:)go and take it:))slowly until all dirt is gone:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee ...are you sick..?
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 i wrote back your own comment and u ask are u sick i think seriously u are:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee
Dear Supralee, Let we talk about the truth, rational and logic. Do you believe about miracle happened in this world..? I said to you there are no miracle in this world, since from there child and now be an adult..tell the truth..how many time miracle happened to you...? all of the things could be explain by science..
MrTonyshit80 1 year ago
@MrTonyshit80 yes i can.me:)you could never explain me by limited materialistic science.so i challange u name me one thing out of your science that i could not do with u.i can do anything.i can make u beggar or rich man i can make you religious or put you to the knees before sai baba and u will worship him day and night.or i can make u more stupid and materialistic .i can do all that but can u:)so name me thing u want to became and i do that that is the proof to u-yourself!:)
supralee 1 year ago
fake.. rascal
baalzaeb 2 years ago
sai baba materialise ring that are evalueted to 3 millions of dollard. a fake man give these ring to them? i dont think its for money. some time a fake devote receive a ring. he law and try to sell it and them its become crap just before he sell it the ring start to self destroy.
Prexier64 2 years ago
i wish everything would rot away as soon as it was being used for selfish purposes =D
faszika 2 years ago
Watch him put the nectar on with the spoon
740446 2 years ago
this is taken from sai baba's 1968 Mission Speech
You must have heard people say that mine is all magic. But the manifestation of divine power must not be interpreted in terms of magic. Magicians play their tricks for earning their maintenance, worldly fame, and wealth. They are based on falsehood and they thrive on deceit, but this body could never stoop to such a low level. This body has come through the Lord's resolve to come. That resolve is intended to uphold truth (sathya).
740446 2 years ago
He puts nectar on with the spoon. Clever but a trick.
He gets lots of money from this.
740446 2 years ago
saidas108 claims to know that tens of millions of devotes have been transforming themselves through decades. He must have been very busy studying them all before and after - and even then one may doubt whether it is not just talk and a facade. I knew dozens very well indeed, but can see very little transformation indeed - some got even more abrasive egos. The VIPs Sai Baba chose are mostly very manipulative and, but they parrot nice words while arrogant in their behaviour, just like Sai Baba too
MrRobertCPriddy 2 years ago
wow oh my.this is amazing
love7277 2 years ago
sai ram,
how did they allow this video to be taken?
balajimani8765 2 years ago
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venushole2001 3 years ago
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venushole2001 3 years ago
Why those lockets are taken from cup having liquid and putting them back in to the same cup? There lies the reason behind the materializing amrita. Again a simple cheap trick to cheat people who lost their mind.
shivrajvishnu 3 years ago
I was there 1996 and 2000 and saw this amrita.
When I was at Puttaparthi 1996 one friend thought Baba was cheating, then another friend thought the same and then I decided to look too. All 3 of us ended up with eye infection teh next day. I've seen both fake and real miracles. But I know in heart who Baba is and THAT is the real test.
ps: how on earth would he fake thousands of miracles across the clobe? Look around you, what you see? The universe! But doubt some amrit in a hand? lol?
ek4nt4 3 years ago
Though impressive to see, these kinds of miracles (I have seen quite a few up close)have never impressed me as much as the miracle of what Baba has done worldwide with tens of millions of devotees transforming them for decades. For 70 years, he never stops doing his divine work, never rests. No human could remotely come close to what Baba does. Most of his miracles go unseen and unknown by us. It is only natural that some people will be skeptical as many are jaded and their minds work that way.
saidas108 3 years ago
I was there in '76 when it was just a tiny place on the river. I 2 had the amulets secrete onto my palm for several minutes without the spoon & had 2 keep licking it off. They were then put into an empty glass jar w/no spoon that sat on a table before us which then filled with Amrith in a couple of hours as we sang. Doubters will always doubt.
Baba has said not to go there anymore as H has is hustling for money now. I lived in Mysore last year and went there again and that was my feeling too.
saidas108 3 years ago
Did you gave the taxi driver good tip at the end? Look basically these stories are floating around for so long and so common in those circles and I am pretty much sure that's a tactic through which the community is integrated "miracle" and "hearsay". It is a typical attitude of self serving gurus in India. Plus the taxi driver to extract tip from you might have boosted these stories to ensure you give him good will tips. Thorough investigation is alone a good answer
muthushiv 3 years ago
sairam I had read an article containing these very lines in a website called saibaba-aclearview.If you are the one who wrote that also then I am extremely grateful, for that article reaffirmed my faith in the lord.And thanks for the visual proof too.Aham Brahmasmi!
indiathebest 3 years ago
My experimental design is to take that medal and subject it to spectrophotometric and Microscopic analysis which will tell what is it made of.The earlier analysis will tell you the composition of the medal while the later will tell you the structure of it. The secretion also need to be analyzed esp. through HPLC and this will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis will precisely tell the source of it.These are the immediate experiments I would do.
muthushiv 3 years ago
@muthushiv ' will tell you the nature of it.Isotopic analysis 'etc
lol
CulturalMyths 1 year ago
Also, I should also mention that I actually DID bring a video camera there to film this exact thing even the first time, but he did not allow for cameras to film, not even picture taking. So I'd like to know if anybody knows what they need to do to convince him to allow video, because he obviously has allowed here and there. I have seen 2 or 3 other videos like this from the orphanage.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
I might go to Mysore again in the next 2 to 3 years. This would then be my 3rd visit to this orphanage if I go, and assuming the old guy is still around and this thing is still being displayed. I will do what I can then to acquire better "proof"; however, I know the orphanage man is a strict SaiBaba devotee and will highly likely not entertain any lengthy scientific investigations, because let's face it from his perspective, he's seen this thing: 30 years * 365 days/yr = 10,950 times ;-)
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
You do it and I am doing the same service as much as I can do.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Man I love you. Write the truth about Saibaba with out any fear or favor. Your words are awesome. Keep it up. Make sure the words we write carry full of substance and no nonsence. Rest is upto the own weight of the argument
muthushiv 3 years ago
I am not against baba!
But this guy is fake, watch the spoon carefully, he keeps it inside the container everytime. there will be some residue on it. Also the shape of the medallion, will have some residue on it. Question everything..
I have personally witnessed baba's miracles, but I dont believe in them, when money is involved.
krishnakanthc 3 years ago
If anyone goes there, ask this guy to clean the medallions dry and use a dry spoon.
Want to experiment anyone ? I will as soon as I can
krishnakanthc 3 years ago
Yes this video does not constitute as proof. I already told you there is no such thing as "miracles", you need to study siddhis and yogic science to understand how this is possible; this one in particular however is not an illusion/trick. The spoon was not dipped back in the bucket. No measuring container is required to see that even if the spoon may have carried 1, max 2 drops worth when he first took out the medals, this does not equate 3 minutes of continuous stream adding to 6 or 7 spoons.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Why are you doing this? We already discussed that this event has no scientific or pure reasoning basis. Do you know what tantra means? Have you ever practiced it. This saibaba is a charlatan, you just refused to come to any logical discussion but keep insisting on misleaded Guru/Tantra/Yoga - a hotchpotch. It is a shame for hindu dharma as you people project him as a Guru. I am crying.
muthushiv 3 years ago
read my comments carefully. It produced 10 TIMES the volume of amrit than the size of the medals.. that's over 6 or 7 spoons worth. A few drips already on the spoon is not equal to 6 or 7 spoons worth! You need to stop trying to come to conclusions about something you have not witnessed yourself. And yes there is *NO* miracle. You can not break the laws of nature, however there is the possibility you do not yet know them all (aka. scientists who are still discovering...)
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Mehaji, these kinds of loose words are useless in this modern world which should only be governed by pure reasoning. If it is no miracle then why it should be even represented in the first place?Plus why cant Saibaba help all the scientists to discover knew natural laws.Why is he hiding the moment scientists say that they want to analyze his acts. Please dont represent him. ChrisHi5Magic has some valuable suggestions which should be considered. Dont overturn him.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Muthushiv, you speak of "pure reasoning", but you yourself do not abide by such a thing. Where is your pure reasoning when you have such a strong opinion about something you have not even seen with your own 2 eyes? Forget if SaiBaba is real or not. This "miracle" if real, still does not prove anything about SaiBaba. Deal with the miracle on its own. Be a good scientist because only such are capable of "pure reasoning", otherwise, your words are no better than Sai devotees who believe anything.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Admit it, the first thing a good scientist would do is say the following: 'By our current known laws, such a "miracle" does not seem possible; however we will investigate and then later form final opinions. Should such a "miracle" be real, it will be very exciting, because it means we are being presented with new fronteirs for the Scientific community to discover, understand and later, possibly ues this knowledge to benefit mankind'.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Again dont find fault with scientists. They are pleading at their high voice for scientific verification. Only Saibaba kind of people are hiding. Tell me how should I approach this. You yourself claim that you were not allowed to picture it, then how am I supposed to do analysis? But still you want me to believe that it is not magic but some undiscovered scientific principle. Come on get life will you.
muthushiv 3 years ago
Ok, I'm done answering questions on here, I will focus what little spare time I have over the next few weeks or couple of months putting together a web page to explain this whole matter in an unbiased and detailed manner.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
"this man is a fraud". Yes, he is, but he wasn't in his youth. The truth is far more complex than you think. Things are not black and white, life is more like a grey area ;-) Both doubters that have never seen the miracle are as wrong as those believers that see this miracle and automatically believe all other ones by SaiBaba are real, and even worse believe that he is a man-god, when he is anything but.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(11) and not merely believe that of what others say. Buddha said the same thing about spirituality, and his entire religion is based on "here's the info, now go confirm that this is true for yourself, if you can not, then discard it!". He was the biggest spiritual scientist! And no, I am also not a buddhist ;-) The deeper truth is that no laws are actually broken, only new ones not yet discovered (by science) are at play here (mostly to do with quantum physics and other dimensions).
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(10) But more convincing than this is that, this liquid is not merely some chemistry biproduct that would likely be toxic to ingest, the "amrit" being produced is 90% like a liquid honey (it tastes and looks like it), but has the most intense sweet rose scent you have ever smelt, it permeates the room with its rose scent, it is not only beautiful but also delicious, as you are encouraged to eat it. A good scientist looks to be able to repeat the results for himself to reach his own conviction...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(9)supposedly producing non-stop. But it was enough for me to see that in 3+ minutes the medals produced over 10 TIMES an ammount of liquid superior to their volume, and I saw this 3 times in a row as I had 2 other friends equally astonished with me! The only possible scientific explanation for that would be some kind of chemical reaction; however since you can't produce something out of nothing, it would require the medals to also begin to deteriorate and they did not.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(7)with step by step explanations that are unbiased. Then when people ask, I can point them there. New questions will warrant new essays, until all questions are exhausted. Lastly, I just want to say that you can NOT and must NOT conclude anything until you see it with your own eyes, or in this case, in your own hands. What I'm about to say should also not convince you. You ask if the spoon was wet or if I had dried it, etc. You have to understand that the location where...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(6)...where they often feel compelled to give some kind of small donation. In my case baloons, stickers and bouncing balls for the children. You should have seen their smiles and joy! You know, I could write entire essays on this subject as I've spent a few years investigating such "miracles" and have seen a handful, and read countless books on how they are performed so instead of replying here on youtube, I'm thinking it makes more sense to create a web page ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(4)... exciting as watching water come out of the faucet. Even an ignorant amazon tribesman eventually will get bored from watching water come out of the faucet. hehe. Eventually, you put the "miracle" aside and investigate the WHY/HOW, which leads you upon a spiritual quest that ultimately impresses upon you that the answer to such questions while attainable from some gurus is a far distant second cousin to the benefits of true spirituality in man and herein you have ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(5)fulfilled the guru's plan - he has attracted you by your curiosity of something interesting (but otherwise useless phenomenon), to something far far greater - the persuit of self-realization and end of suffering.
So it's not concealed because it is used as a way to recruit people into spirituality. The second reason is that by opening up the seeing of this "miracle" to the public, it attracts people from all over the world, but specifically, to the orphanage
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(3)... provided such result for any other scientist), and focuses his intensity and being towards investigating spirituality because it seems superior. When a guru/swami/yogi etc, is involved in producing the "miracle", it is likely the person will turn towards them for the spiritual quest and for answers, and so a long journey begins. Eventually, if you see miracles a few times, they just become surreal and no longer shock. Watching liquid flow from metal becomes about as...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(2)This is because a true skeptic (usually the scientifically minded), observes in detail, understands the laws of nature and after investigation and not finding any trickery is truly shocked, because his world of science no longer makes sense, because many (current) science laws seemed to have been broken! He then stops spending his fervor towards science seeing as the accumulation of endless knowledge that will never lead to his own ending of suffering (as it has never...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(8)the medals are is a spiritual place, kind of like a church. It is not appropriate to go around demanding things in such places, as you are a visitor so like a church, you can't go up to a priest when he's offering the wine and 'bread', grab the cup or bowl from his hands even less so when there's people lined up behind you. So yes the spoon was wet because he grabbed the medals from a container about 1 liter filled with this liquid amrit where the medals sit overnight ...
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(1)That's just it, they are *not* trying to conceal it at allm if they were, it'd wouldn't be there for 30+ years! SaiBaba and other swami's use their powers like this as "spiritual candy". By this it is meant that a doubter upon seeing a miracle will be so phased and astonished that instantly he becomes a spiritually devoted individual. It's funny, and I've seen it happen before, it's always the biggest skeptics that end up becoming the biggest spiritually inclined individuals.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
Again, these have been there for 30 years, producing this "amrit" daily. Trying to do a thourough scientific study would be difficult because the man who manages the orphanage only allows people to view the medals at certain times of day (for spiritual reasons) and only for a few minutes at a time (plenty to convince, but not to study in a science lab). You would get no Nobel unless you could provide a peer reviewed hypothosis & ideally be able to repeat the results (good luck with that one).
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
I can not speak of all his other miracles, and I can even say nothing of the ash on the pictures that "they" claim appears afresh every other day, as I did not see this manifestation, only the result which is proof of nothing. I agree the video leaves room for doubt even for the amrit. If all I had seen was the video, I too could not believe, so I don't blame you for that. However, I was there in person(twice), held the medals in my hands and also watched my friends hold them.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part6). Also, I wanted to point out that I am NOT a follower of SaiBaba, nor do I believe the "miracles" he performs these days are real. He is an example of a man who once had powers, but lost them (fall from grace), these days he fakes them all. Fortunately, the medals in this video were created 30 years ago by him. I know of one other "power object" in India wherefrom "amrit" also flows continuously, and is to continue flowing for another 900+ years, long after its creator Yogi is dead.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago
(part 5). So you see, I have spent almost as much time studying higher Yogas, as I have the science that claims I am an Engineer. I can tell you that BOTH are real, and I can also tell you that in time Science will be able to explain most of the siddhis of Yoga, but it may be a few centuries yet. You see, the "liquid" and "ash" in this video is not something new. It's been around for millenea, I can explain in much detail to you all about it, but Youtube is not a good forum for that.
adeptusluminati 3 years ago