...also what about songs that refer to Jesus as "best friend." This is true of Him as He is truly the best friend I could hope for, but "best friend" is a description that alone does not give Him His due worth. There's a song or two that mainly uses the "best friend" description for Him and does not expand on that. In my mind, "best friend" says there are other friends and Jesus would just be a bit better than the others - instead of Him being my only Lord & Saviour. It's so subjective!
I'd like to hear more comments on this from other song writers. I think Matt hits a really important point when he talks about people's responses and words when they meet Jesus (as recorded in scripture). I can't say I ever say Lord You're Beautiful except in song. I call my wife beautiful - I call Jesus majestic and awesome. I spose it's all coming down to definition of terms. eg "Wonderful" might sound cheesy or lovey to some too, but in reality I would simply be saying "full of wonder."
It is not about the manly or non manly thing it is about the proper perspective being given. We do not have sex with Jesus and our songs should not suggest it. If you have to do line by line interpretations to get the meaning then a rewrite is in order. The manly issue is a simple one. As a man I would rather not spend 45mins to an hour singing "I want to kiss the lips of my beautiful Lord Jesus". This does not mean that I don't love Jesus. It means the songwriters write from the female view.
Love the lord with all your heart and all your strength, doesn't say only woman! Its men with the problem, I'm quite happy to ya say I'm in love with Jesus in a worship song!
I cant beleive how many christian believe that men are non-emotive cave men. Who says women are the only half of the human species to express love? I am a full male who loves God, expresses it through song, mushy language and all. I had a terrific father who told me he loved me everyday. I pass this on, because it is how I was created, masculinity intact. Read the Psalms. Listen to what God the father says to Jesus himself.
Whats this 'man's man' Malarky ? That is not a biblical view of how God created man. Over and over you see example,s including Jesus himself who is moved with compassion, mercy, passion, to tears! This is an argument made to support a view of men as emotionally cut off, which is unhealthy. Women obviously have more of an emotive based to thier makeup, but please dont throw that on all men, that if a man is a 'real man' he wont express emotions other than anger or sexuality. How ignorant.
I think it's okay to express God's greatness, love etc in a song, but not 100 times in a row! Honestly, when you look into the Psalms, they are really unique and the psalmists try to describe God in different ways. There is not so much repeating of the same line than most worship songs have.
Please do not make excuses/explanations for your praise songs in this “politically correct” world. God doesn’t, so why should you? They will tie your hands and you’ll not be free to write your worship songs. Who are trying to please, God or man? Many of your songs have been translated into Portuguese that we sing here in Brazil. Please rethink your “doubts.”
ok sorry I didn't explain myself correctly when I say get lost in is purely in a selfish way. of course you have to feel God's presence and be lost in it. what I mean is just that it should get to the point where I forget about the others when my duty is to be used as a vessel by the Holy spirit to make them feel the way that I feel. It's a mistake I do a lot. But there's nothing on this earth I enjoy most than being in His presence don't get me wrong... anyway God bless you brother!
@Genosukesan Sorry I still dont understand, why shouldnt you get lost in God? Others may not understand it again just as Kind David danced before the LORD his own wife didnt understand why he was doing what he did. All im saying is that when we hone into true worship and get lost in His presence it shouldnt matter what others think or feel about it, it may be different or new to them but, thats no reason for us as worshipers to shift our focus on them and not God.
@santiago262 Sorry Person who Believes...YOU SHOULD NOT GET LOST! Over and over in scripture it says be aware. No offense, but before you use the Bible as a reference, read it. King David got castigated severely by his wife when dancing before the Lord. And David really is not, how do you say this in english?, David is not an example for Christians...David is the History of Christ Jesus. Where does Jesus say how great David was? Be Well, Be Blessed, READ THE BIBLE...<---everyone
@FlyingAxblade I am not lost thank you. FIrst an for most you have to understand that David was a king adorned with the finest clothes, jewels etc. The reason David danced the way he did before the Lord is because God is king of kings right. And David taking off all these things is showing that before God, David being a king ment nothing because God is the true king. David was payin homage to the Lord in dancing the way he did....
@FlyingAxblade ...David's wife did not understand this because all she saw was in the carnel not in the spiritual. His wife was worried about the reputation of the kindom and had no concern with anything else. ...David is the perfect example for christians. He's called a man after God's own heart. Wouldnt any christian want to strive to be just that?
@FlyingAxblade Jesus was born from a decendant of David yes but, in all honesty Jesus is David's history. John 1:1-5. Jesus was even before the foundations of the earth... Jesus quotes various Psalms threwout his ministry, even upon the cross he does this. Jesus doesnt need to speak directly about David, in him quoting the Psalms is a testement to King David. Please I do read my bible in latin, arimaic and hebraic. Itseasy to be codescending and not know it so please watch what you say.
@FlyingAxblade You be blessed to my dear brother/sister in Christ. You keep reading as well. Lets walk into glory together, forever to praise the name of the LORD.
Wow is this guy serious? All I have to say to you and anyone else is what is the greatest commandment : Matthew 22:36-37. Love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and will all thy sould, and with all thy mind. Why shouldnt you say in any song that you love God or think He is beautiful, when you step out of that relm and start to consider what people interpret the meaning of your worship and love for the one true God then thats when you start to grieve God's heart.
@santiago262 He knows that, and he doesn't refute that. All he is saying is that there are songs that are great because they express God's beauty and some that are maybe not to real for others. As a worship leader I know that some songs speak more to some people than they do to others. For example it is very hard (and that's what he is saying) for a guy who has never been loved to love God. None of us actually LOVE GOD as we should. So a worship leader must be wise and be sensitive to the lead
@Genosukesan ...I do apologize but, i have yet tobelieve anything like that, once again its just compromise. Your not there up on that alter to appease to the hearts of man you are up there to seek the heart of God. Just as David was a man after God's own heart(1Samuel 13:14) When you start to compromise your worship to God for the sake that it may not be right for this or that person then you start to step out of the relm of pleasing God and instead are pleasing man.
@santiago262 I understand what you mean. I'm not saying you are up there to appease anyone. I'm saying you're up there to lead EVERYONE in the presence of ALMIGHTY GOD! This means when I choose songs I'm not there to sing what I want to sing even if I love those songs so much and it comes from my heart etc...
@Genosukesan I wasnt saying you, sorry I was using you and your as generalities. But, its not a question of how will i lead these people/congrigation into the presence of God. Its a literal question of God will you grace us with your presence. And thats all worship is, its us seeking god heart in spirit and in truth, and in turn He takes in our worship as a pleasing aroma and with that God brings His presence we dont.
Répondre à cette vidéo... I HAVE TO SING WHAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD WANTS ME TO SING! This is lesson number 1 when you learn to lead the worship. And we all learn more everyday... I really get his point because I have been confronted to that when I was leading. And it's not about making compromises like I said it's about being wise.
@Genosukesan That sounds nice brother but, im sorry this man is clearly compromising his heart and how he is responding to the Holy Ghost all because some bloke may find it different. A person may feel that way is because they dont understand what it is to worship, they dont understand that God delights in such praise where you stop conidering the things of this world and how people view you and just worship. Thats exactly what King David did before God.
@santiago262 It's true that People shouldn't feel like that but hey that's a human feeling that I understand and I don't think it's really compromising it's just choosing your words in all wisdom to then get to worship him in spirit and in truth. I agree though that we shouldn't be blocked by that. And worship is a mean of Evangelism. My dad was not led to Christ because of the preaching but because of the smile on people's faces when they worshipped the Lord.
@Genosukesan Thats exactly what i mean. Worship is a form of evangalism its just indirectly. Your father didnt get saved becasue of someon preaching but, because ultimatly im sure he saw the beauty that worship brought and the way Gods presence was so evident. Thats the defining factor of worship, when we let go and realize: Im standing on this alter or in this church seeking the heart of my God,. And thats how worship ministers by God brining is presence to us, not us bringing.
@Genosukesan but, hey its late and im going to bed. Thanks for talking with me, be blessed my brother lets keep being those worshipers like David seeking our father's heart no matter what. -In Christ's Love- -Santiago- (Luke 4:18-19)
Répondre à cette vidéo... HE LEADS, NOT US! And if you are a worship leader you should know that too! And I agree with you that we should have David's heart (like unto God) but often we (as worship leaders) get lost in the worship which is good for us but not all the time for the congregation.
@santiago262 of the Holy Spirit when we choose a song list. Although they are ALL good, they might not be appropriate for this or that kinda person and ONLY GOD knows. Quoting the bible it is also said to "be wise as serpents and harmless as doves" so lets use his wisdom in leading the people into his presence cuz if you don't do it well (in spite of all the good will you have) you might end up not being used by God and if it's not him it's Satan...
@Genosukesan Again thats just compromise, Im a worship leader also and to tell you the truth no one ushers in the presence of God, someone singing or playing an instrument doesnt bring Gods presence. Its when we as worshipers come to the understanding that we are seeking our fathers heart just as David did. David never worshipped God because it appealed to other people he worshipped because he knew it pleased God's heart.
Répondre à cette vidéo... Now to finish, I used this scripture because leading the worship can also be (and that's what they are basically talking about here) a mean to evangelise to people. That's what I had to do this past Sunday evening so sorry brother but it is not out of the context. When you lead the worship you have to use God's wisdom and be yourself humble as a dove before God almighty. That's the way I see it, and it is a state of mind we should have everyday.
@Genosukesan Why shouldnt we get lost in worship? In sence we as worship leaders set the example if you dont want to get lost in Gods presence then thats not right. If I cant do as David did and dance and shout and sing and get lost in the presence of the LORD all because im trying to be wise to how other people feel about it then thats not being someone who truly worships God.
@Genosukesan Worship and Evangalism are two different things, they both minister to people but, in a different way. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 10, is evangalising directly to people out in the world. When you are upon the alter worshiping it is for the sole purpose of seeking God's heart and gainin that intimate time with Him. And though you worshiping may minister to someone its indirectly. Again jesus was saying you are as sheep amongst wolfs so be wise and gentle because....
@Genosukesan ..the world is overtaken by satan because Adam gave away the authority over the earth that God had given to him when he was created. Jesus in that passage is talking about direct evangalism where you make that personal connection with an individual out in the world outside of the church's four walls. Wisdom about worship only comes from spending time with God and gaining that intimacy just as David did wo that when you are upon that alter making that sacrafice of praise God......
Répondre à cette vidéo... That being said God bless you and if I offended you in any way I do apologise. We will maybe continue this interesting discussion up there hahaha! Be Blessed, thanks for sharing your point with us!
@Genosukesan That scripture you used(Matthew 10:16) is being misused. Jesus is talking to His disciples about ministering to the world preaching the gospel in the name if Christ Jesus. And though that is a form of honoring and worshiping God, with this type of worship, playing and singing, its being used out of context. The wisdom and gentlness you are reffering to is how we are to be when we go out into the world as sheep amongst wolfs. Jesus is saying be aware of the dangers satan has plotted.
The fundamental problem can be summed up with this expression:
"Jesus is my boyfriend."
That's what a LOT of prayer, discussion, song and even personal ideas of Jesus truly are at their core. So much of the "free" church movement has turned Jesus into some nice, soft, cuddly, love-boat for the women and almost entirely glossed over his gritty, hard and fundamentally manly side.
Let me close on this:
Jesus is NOT my boyfriend.
Start there and we may find Jesus behind what so many think he is.
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His! MATT,GOD WILL LET US GO IF WE KEEP DISOBEYING HIM, that is Biblical!
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His! MATT,GOD WILL LET US GO IF WE KEEP DISOBEYING HIM, that is Biblical!
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His!
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His!
I really appreciate Redman's willingness to acknowledge that he wishes he would've changed the "Jesus, I am so in love with you" line. I love the rest of that song, but that line bugged me, so instead we sing "Silently, I'll wait to hear from you." Seems to fit with the general idea of the rest of the song.
I have recently been reading a book entitled "Why men hate going to church" and this same topic discussed here was raised in the book and it does suggest that many men feel uncomfortable with the romantic love aspect for Jesus in the songs and also points out that a lot of older hymns were more about `putting on the armour of christ, marching to war etc` which sounds more blokely. I like the new worship songs but even I thinks it`s a bit strange when we sing`I love you` repeated on screen.
Come and check out CRC Wimbledon on Sundays at 9.20am, at the Wimbledon Odeon Cinema...we have manly men, plenty of young people and a rocking vibe, even with the "love songs" :)
Trust me, come and see for yourself, it's something different!
The Lord is amazing! Once you get to know him you will want to close your eyes and sing how much you love him, you won't be able to help yourself! :)
We are all God's children and as His children, our gender does not matter at all. So sing it out loud so that everyone can hear you "I LOVE YOU JESUS, WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL, YOU ARE WONDERFUL, MARVELLOUS, BEAUTIFUL!" One should not be ashamed of doing that, cause He is worthy of all worship and praise, Amem! This is totally a man thing (get over it guys!)
I was in some services in the last few days where God's river of fire showed up. The power fell when the worship songs were (often improvised) simple one liner lyrics, fully Jesus centred, not "me" centred complex narratives about "my response" to God.
The christian music industry is just that, merchandise-entertaining folks who simply cannot and will not pay the price, IE die to the old life and surrender to Christ absolutely..
I couldn't desagree more! It does not matter if you're a man or woman, when it comes to worshiping the Lord, what really counts is the way you express your love for Him, whether singing or just declaring out loud, so what's the problem in singing "I love you". You're singing that to your own Father and Creator, and that's wonderful!
It is an encouragement to me that a christian songwriter/singer is wrestling with how to be more biblical with his music. To me he seems to be making a point about communicating accurately (with consideration of where the culture is). I am not in agreement with some of his thoughts, but it seems that his wrestling, and being honest about the work he has produced, honors God and lifts high the authority of the Bible. There is grace for men who seek the face of God!
i do not know if he is wrestling or just saying he is because i think he just keeps writing mush to feed the industry demands - you might want to see my song Bloody Jesus, i'd be curious to know what you think of it
Why would you ever regret loving Jesus romanticly we are suppose to make Him are first love' He is the lover of my soul and His love is better and greater then the love of this world if men are embarassed to worship God then that is sad becuase God wants to have a intamete and personal relationship with us.
One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. Psalm 27:4
If you cant say to jesus that you love love and love him, than you got to revisit you root with God.. Because After what Jesus did for me.. all I want to do and say is" I Love you so much Jesus". You have no Idea of what God love is all about.
Hmm I don't know...I think "beautiful" and "love" have been co-opted by our "romance"-drunk culture to mean only part of what they were intended to mean. God, you are beautiful to me! And awesome!
One of our foremost examples of a true worshiper is King David. David was both a warrior and a worshiper. So clearly we don't have to lose our manliness to be true worshipers. But if our manliness gets in the way, we have failed to realize just how great God is and how small we are. David's psalms express a wide range of manly yet passionate worship.
This is a familiar refrain- "Men can't connect with intimate worship songs." A lot of it has to do with machoism. We love him because he first loves us. If some men can't be moved to deep worship by Christ's sacrifice and love then perhaps they aren't genuinely saved. True worship is spiritual and the natural man can't understand it. That said, God is infinite and incredible and transcendent. Our worship needs to reflect the numerous aspects of His revealed character and nature.
The way a REAL son of God, sings and talks about how much he loves him is totally different, not like a love towards a man, its for who the man is. Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior and he's the Lord and Savior of many others also, and I thank him, because without Him I would not be here today who I am, most likely dead, how many times, unthinkable, Or if I were alive i would have been a total mess up, Finally I have a purpose to Living life, God is good :) amen
I do feel uncomfortable with a lot of the worship songs that constantly, over and over, say things that sound like "When i gaze longingly into your face and ache for the warmth of your embrace" or "As I look into your loving eyes I want to feel you fill me up inside." Anyone with half a semester of Freudian psychology could pick that apart in three seconds! Yes, the Bible does use groom/bride imagery on occasion but not very often, and the wedding hasn't occurred yet! Just use it in moderation.
I noticed that those who have not experience love relationships i.e. teens , find it hard to express love in worship. Teen musicians play worship music like they are playing rock music. Totally ungentle, unromantic , insensitive to the spirit of the song.
" God is a person, he is called the Father,and also referred to as "Him"or"He", but as the bible says there is a trinity which is God the Father,God the son, and God the Holy Spirit,three different beings yet still of the same,people will argue this but this is just a part of what Christianity is about,as Christians we are a Faith based (and i dont like the word religion but) "religion" yet i challenge all christians out there in your faith,if your not willing to die for it why believe it
Blokey Bloke can't sing I love you Jesus? Address the real issue there...Youre not saved! If you cant sing/say you love Jesus we in more trouble as a church than I thought we were. When Matt started saying he regretted that song he wrote I thought finally hes going to mention the whole "let my words be few" line not the "I'm so in love with you" one. Oh so disappointing to hear us watering down everything these days. Matt that was the best line you had in the song pal!
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This is a ridiculous observation. The reason so many men dont enjoy worship times is because of the language of the songs?? Are you serious?? Romance is part of scripture, the language of worship will be adoring, will ask of us to behold the bride groom, to adore our maker, to fill us and to move in us. Men are stupid, they need lessons on how to relate to their maker . Lets not pretend its because the music is too gushy for us. What are we, three years old?
All humans are brute beasts in the presence of God's holiness. Our God does woo us as a husband does his bride. But our present-day culture is so far removed from God. Our hearts are callused. We must be taught how to have intimate fellowship with the Lord, because our earthly sense of romance/love/intimacy has become so distorted. Women have more strength in relating, but that doesn't make men stupid. We can all learn from each other. Gender differences are real & God's intended design.
what Matt Redman means, is that what most worship songs now'a'days are focused on what God can do for us, but what true worship is is surrendering to him and giving him praise. not seeing what he can do for us.
i have to disagree with you here. God made us men to be men so naturally we aren't meant to be mushy (trust me, often worship music can be mushy). Jesus Christ was the Messiah, God in the flesh, a man's man, not a man with a woman's face. I applaud Matt Redman for his observation here.
@historian186 You have to be careful about people saying things about emotions. There are good emotions and bad emotions. A murderer is emotionless. God make us with emotions or you couldn't show any remorse ot joy over anything. I think it is a trap that some people teach somethings that can keep a person from being the person God created them to be. Real and honest with themselves.
Once again, we need to look at the example of Jesus. He revealed His true emotions time and time again authentically and appropriately - He is a real man, who is also God.
You got it spot on - and the evidence to show Jesus is God abounds biblically and indeed, all around us. Afterall, He is the Living Word of God, Emmanuel - God with us.
"Immortal just isn't the right word to use for God" - the bible disagrees... "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen" 1 Timothy 1:17. If Jesus was just a man then I would understand the cringing at the thought of singing "I love you" to him - but he is fully man and fully God, and as many people have already pointed out, God is love, and Christians together make up the Church, which is Christ's bride.
You dont hear people in the bible call jesus beautiful because he was gonna ben despised by men, to call Jesus beautiful shud be your hearts cry, to say i love Jesus is a privilige, some countries you cant even say Jesus name without getting into trouble! so be thankful and make the most of the freedom we have to say how much we Love him for what hes done, Love is associated with Jesus!! he is love!!
screw what men can relate to! God loves us either way, and if it makes a christian man uncomfortable to say he loves God back then he needs to think hard about his beliefs.
this is kinda idiotic not being able to connect with God for fear of others thinking it is 'weird or romantic'..
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It's a pack of lies, what's wrong with you idiots? Your magic invisible friend theory is utter rubbish. Just how stupid will you allow yourself to become?
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No you weren't, you've been lying for so long you just don't realize it anymore. Give up your old fairy tales and deal with reality instead of fake love born of fear.
i think this is stupid ! im sure jesus wasnt "comfortable" wen he was hanging on a cross 4 us , so we shudnt hav a problem wit being uncomfortable 4 him ! we shudnt hav dat sort of pride dat wud stop us from saying we love God
That's not what he's saying. And there are fundamental differences between men and women and since worship isn't a science, we should examine if men can't enter in as easily as women.
Amen, brother. Or at least they should get over our "discomforts" for Jesus. Love doesn't have to be sexual, and a lot of people need to get over that.
David Murrow in the book 'why men hate going to church' picks up on this topic.
Maybe its time for song writers to start writing more songs that speak of Jesus' strength, power, authority, victory ect. Things that men can relate to and connect with easier, rather than songs that say 'im so in love with you.'
Yes we need songs that speak of Jesus' love, but also songs that speak of his power ect.
This is interesting and founded on a reality that is ignored re: worship music. While I think that the meaning of the word love has been distorted and narrowed in popular culture in the USA i find myself fulfilled by the "romantic" worship songs, often. I also can often find myself going into a squishy mindframe re: God/Jesus when singing some of them. Anyway, a very interesting and relevant discussion.
Good stuff. I've been reading the book "King me" about fathers raising boys to not be feminized and he actually addresses this issue. Good to hear Matt say the same thing. Jesus is not ever called beautiful in the Scripture and the point of Scriptural purity should be first and foremost on the importance scale of what music we worship the Lord to.
@clm12704 READ THE HOLY WORDS of GOD not a book. He is the Lilly of the Valley, the Rose of Sharon, Morning Star and many beautiful descriptions, He is more than all Words that we speak. Worship doesn't have to be with words nor music, IN Spirit and IN Truth. God is feminine and masculine. Do a Hebrew study on WHO He IS. Adam and Eve were made at the same time, women are then taken out of man. Wisdom who IS God and Who is the Holy Spirit is feminine. God is both feminine and masculine
Saying I love you is uncomfortable to many people, not because its weird to say it, but because love means something painful or broken to us. God's intent is to teach us what love truly means. Its not all romance, which in itself is good, but His Love is deeper, Holy and purer. Teaching that 'manly men' don't feel or use their hearts or express affection or admiration is broken teaching. Jesus came to restore love to its proper intended place. He is Love!
@rozzie101 We are His Bride, He tabernacles IN us and will take our dead bodies resurrected to tabernacle with Him, He is the Groom in the Song of Songs/Solomon, We are the Bride, it all goes along with all the Feasts, even the birth of Christ was during the Feast of Tabernacles in the month of Tishri Sept/Oct and trees were waved before the Lord, the Candles lit 7 days and a joyous celebration. We celebrate daily all that God has done and be ashamed for our past sin and stop sinning.
Theres nothing unmanly abt worshipping the God who created u! We were created 2 worship God! Forget what the flesh tells u is "normal" or "manly". The definition of a tru man is one who worships God and isnt worried abt whether its a "manly" thing to do! John 4:24!
You don't seem to understand what he is saying. The metaphor of the church being the Bride of Christ is only one of the ways we are to understand our relationship with the One True God. And, it is not the best metaphor to use when trying to connect with men while teaching worship or the Gospel. The church is also God's children, warriors, saints, messengers, servants, friends and other ideas. Singing that Jesus is our boyfriend is not the only way to worship.
Worshipping God doesnt mean standing in Church singing love songs.. This is only a small aspect of a great picture.. Worshipping God could be as simple as going to work with a positive outlook.
@mjaquiery I must share with you that what you said is not from the Lord. It's not just about Love songs true but just a positive outlook is not biblical. Obeying His commands and doing His will only is what makes us separated and His, giving yourself as a living sacrifice to Him and knowing you were unworthy of what He did for us in complete sorrow and shame and then joy knowing that He did bring us grace so that we could live IN Him and Obey Him and Be IN all His ways.
God made everyone unique... Don't expect everyone to be worshipping God in the Church like you do.. You are a unique individual who sees the world through your eyes... They are also unique individuals who worship God in a way that is unique to them......
Tons of misunderstanding in these comments. Matt Redman isn't saying "in love" is necessarily a wrong statement, but that others could misinterpret the phrase because of the associated baggage.
He makes it clear that he knew exactly what he meant when he wrote the phrase; he just has regret of the cultural ramifications and the context of that song itself (which is about awe, not love). He's one of the best songwriters out today; he's mindful of the tension between God's love AND justice.
Well not entirely, you could also conclude that the song means he is in awe because he is in love. If love isn't in the equation, the awe of the song is meaningless.
I think that's part of the problem, yes. The Christian music industry is consumer driven, its a business, unlike the hymn writers of old who who never expected to see a dime from their efforts.
Once you actually get the audience they're talking about back into church, assuming they stay around for long enough with the `soft` imagery in the songs... and they start attending the bible study.... and you have a study sometime that year that unpacks agape love, you're right this should take care of itself.
I understand the point of it all but I have to say. In the past when I spoke in tongues and then interpreted it. My spirit was saying "My Lord, Jesus I love you". The Holy Spirit gives us a prayer language of spirit and truth and gives a good praise before the Lord. So I can say confidently that Jesus is pleased with the words "love" being spoken to Him whether someone feels that way or not is probably the bigger issue.
I like this interview. I bought Beautiful News first, then some of his older music and did notice a bit of romanticism in it. I'm glad he recognizes that as well, and is changing to be more correct to scripture (as is seen is his latest album).
Thank you so much for your honesty about this subject. It is my desire as a worship leader to fully express my adoration to God without bringing the relationship down to the natural level. I want to find the balance on how to worship Him in spirit and truth without the confining distance that mere religion creates or to lower worship down to the natural level. I am on that journey. Lets press on.
I know what you mean! we really now as a church are more of an organization and its not really about drawing near to God. Instead we should change the style in order to draw people and make more money. We can justify it by giving a percentage to the poor. After all we are all trying to build our own little kingdoms
Is this uncomfortable feeling because of worship songs or because men are not in touch with their loving side? David ran around town in his undies once - he didn't care what people thought, he was comfortable with God. We MUST be unabashed in our lavish praise and love for God. Period. Passion is not unpassionate. Lose your concept of yourself to gain God's concept of you. I'm surprised a worship leader would confess anything less. We give ALL to God, not what feels easy.
I am very much for men leading in the church. I think too often women misunderstand what their role is. But that's a different subject. I'll be thinking about this and reading scripture. But I think victory561 is right. The kind of Love we have for God is different than what we have with others. But even so, Christ describes himself as the bride of His church. So it seems natural to describe him as beautiful, etc. We are called to worship all three persons of the trinity...
Actually the church is described as Christ's bride, not the other way around. I would not describe Christ as beautiful because for 1 I've never seen him face to face myself, but his works and craftmanship are beautiful to me!!!
GOD is not a man, is not a women, is GOD, what you are doing is humanizing and fitting religion to the matter,do not do this , especially publicly , influenciating he minds of the ignorant with very poor information, yes he wants us to love him, call him beautiful and show him how great and merciful he is, if you not confortable with showing a Love to a GOD who's love can compare to non,dont do it, and please do not make a fool of yoursel.
His last words were that he was "being candid because he wants us to learn as a church." The confusing mess that the church is in has a name... Babylon. Our Master is calling to his people who have ears to hear to "come out of her".. "lest you partake of her sins and suffer her plagues." The worship taking place in the church for the most part, if not all, is false because it is not worship of the Father. The sad reality is that practically no one even understands what I'm saying. SEARCH!!!
modelbill, thats interesting, but you should tell that to Jesus, Matt 28:17. Btw, Yahshua isn't a Heb. word, Ya- is never used as a prefix, and yehoshua is really just an old hifel conjucation, its not part of the Tetragrammaton.
The worship of ישׁוּע (looks Hebrew to me) is not the worship that belongs to the Father, which is tied to the set-apart convocation times that He established.
YAH shua is not Hebrew-I stated the reasons-lo maaskim:)? Dabber be'ivrit-atta mevin? beseder:)? You are ignoring a clear Biblical passage, and passages-Jesus, Yeshua, Yehoshua, was worshiped by his talmudim, and the Nt says the father is honoured in the son:).
Please forgive my ignorance of Hebrew. Yahshua, Yeshua, is a phonetic rendition of Strong's H3442. However "Jesus" would not ring familiar with any of the Apostles. The more crucial issue is to know the Son and to know the Father, and for one to be known by Them. The worship of divinity, our Master, which is certainly appropriate, is being confused with worship of deity, our Father, to the exclusion of our Father, Who said He would share His glory with no one. That includes His Messiah.
In Hebrew, what is the differnce between Diety, and Divinity? For that matter, what is the differnce in English? Diety means Godhood, as does Divinity, it carries the same meaning...can you explain your line of reasoning to me for the discrimination of terms in your usage?
Divinity refers to that which is of Heaven or in Heaven (devine). Angels would be considered divinity. Deity (Godhood) is the self-existent Creator. There is only One deity, הוה .
Our Master is to be reverenced as Messiah and King, and since he is now in heaven after being given immortality through resurrection, he is divine. He is not deity, contrary to Christian doctrine. He is Theos in the sense of having been made Master. When our Father said that He was one that is what He meant.
Please prayerfully review torahofmessiah com for responses. But consider this about Kefa: what the Father revealed to him about ישׁוּע was that he was the prophesied Messiah, not that he was God in the flesh. And at Pentecost, in front of that multitude of devout Hebrews, if he had preached a God in the flesh Messiah, there would not have been 3000 converts... they would have stone him to death for preaching blasphemy. He preached that ישׁוּע was MADE Master (kurios) and Messiah
My friend, if Jesus is called God, and "all things came into being through him", ie the role of creator, then you may wish to consider that he is infact, God. Please note, in Zech 12:10 it is Yud Hey/Vav Hey who says he will be pierced.."and they shall look to me, whom they have pierced..."...as Revelation plainly calls him "The First and the Last".
what's causing the dilemma is not seeing the truth of John 4:23 and being able then to see where our Master fits in to that. A few years ago while part of the church praise team, it kept coming to my mind... "where's the worship of the Father in this?"... it was all worship of Jesus, who is not the Father. The fact is our Master is our High Priest and head of the body who also worships the Father and will lead the body in the worship of the Father if we will let him (submit to him).
re: modelbill... Interesting statements. The Father definitely needs our worship as does Jesus and the Spirit, but I'm just curious... Are you a Jehovah Witness?? I just talked to a some JW's a few months ago and was blown away by their false beliefs about Jesus. Truly blasphemous stuff about Jesus not being God and being just a creation. They stressed the Father more than Jesus since they believe Jesus is not God and just His creation. Yikes! That's some major false teaching!
I was once where you are now... a captive in "Babylon", intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot". By the time Constantine came along the true faith of and in Messiah and of the apostles was hijacked and morphed into what you and I inherited via Catholicism via Protestantism. No I'm not JW. Most all religions have some truth, but it's mixed in with so much that's false that it's a polluted, intoxicating poison. I "keep the commandments of Yahweh and bear witness to Yahshua Messiah" Rev.12:17
You're saying I am a captive in "Babylon" and intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot" even though I believe Jesus was raised from the dead and that He is Lord and that I have a relationship with Him because of the grace and unmerited favor He has bestowed on me by the work HE has done on the cross?? BTW... I turned away from Catholicism and to Christ Jesus (Yahshua Messiah) when I was 19 and believe the body of Christ is His church.
Being captive in "Babylon" and intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot" does not mean that one does not have salvation. After all, our Master is saying "come out of her MY PEOPLE". What it does mean is that his people will "partake of her sins and suffer her plagues" which is where mainstream Christianity is... living in disobedience because of deception (intoxication) and suffering for it. Read the articles under "How Christianity Has Changed" at fogwhistle ca.
hmm, mixed emotions here too. was ok until the last couple lines. we're supposed to be in love w/ Christ. we'll never have the agape love like He has for us. that's supernatural love that only He can give, but we are His bride. we are supposed to be intimately involved. man has just messed up the meaning of love and being intimate
I guess I'm a girly bloke then, because it doesn't bother me in the least. For the average "bloke" that shows up in service, I do see where that might strike him as a bit weird though.
An Alpha male is balanced all round. he can show his vulnerability and still maintain high social status. In front of God you are opened up like a book, you cant pretend. you will say how u trully feel and if you understand how much God loves you, you will confess. Guys we are so hard sometimes we 4get how much of a human we are.
Well said, Matt Redman! Yes, we are in love with Jesus, but it's easier for women to say that to a caring, protecting,teaching God than it is for men. The English language has oversimplified itself to the point where we use one word to mean many things. God is more manly than any man and He should be worshiped by all men without them feeling like they've become feminized.
And worship music is not just soft, ethereal harmonies, though that can be good from time to time. There is a balance that I think many in the church have in the past missed...
...also what about songs that refer to Jesus as "best friend." This is true of Him as He is truly the best friend I could hope for, but "best friend" is a description that alone does not give Him His due worth. There's a song or two that mainly uses the "best friend" description for Him and does not expand on that. In my mind, "best friend" says there are other friends and Jesus would just be a bit better than the others - instead of Him being my only Lord & Saviour. It's so subjective!
sleighdriver 1 month ago
I'd like to hear more comments on this from other song writers. I think Matt hits a really important point when he talks about people's responses and words when they meet Jesus (as recorded in scripture). I can't say I ever say Lord You're Beautiful except in song. I call my wife beautiful - I call Jesus majestic and awesome. I spose it's all coming down to definition of terms. eg "Wonderful" might sound cheesy or lovey to some too, but in reality I would simply be saying "full of wonder."
sleighdriver 1 month ago
It is not about the manly or non manly thing it is about the proper perspective being given. We do not have sex with Jesus and our songs should not suggest it. If you have to do line by line interpretations to get the meaning then a rewrite is in order. The manly issue is a simple one. As a man I would rather not spend 45mins to an hour singing "I want to kiss the lips of my beautiful Lord Jesus". This does not mean that I don't love Jesus. It means the songwriters write from the female view.
d1600 3 months ago
Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
DIVINESOTERIOLOGY 7 months ago
Love the lord with all your heart and all your strength, doesn't say only woman! Its men with the problem, I'm quite happy to ya say I'm in love with Jesus in a worship song!
12988Jake 7 months ago
I cant beleive how many christian believe that men are non-emotive cave men. Who says women are the only half of the human species to express love? I am a full male who loves God, expresses it through song, mushy language and all. I had a terrific father who told me he loved me everyday. I pass this on, because it is how I was created, masculinity intact. Read the Psalms. Listen to what God the father says to Jesus himself.
ootaynee 7 months ago 4
Whats this 'man's man' Malarky ? That is not a biblical view of how God created man. Over and over you see example,s including Jesus himself who is moved with compassion, mercy, passion, to tears! This is an argument made to support a view of men as emotionally cut off, which is unhealthy. Women obviously have more of an emotive based to thier makeup, but please dont throw that on all men, that if a man is a 'real man' he wont express emotions other than anger or sexuality. How ignorant.
ootaynee 9 months ago 2
Does the Song Say JESUS? or just "He"...so glad you know who "He" is but you may not be bringing in seekers. They will not get it.
Sing an old hymn, and be convicted.
or write a praise song that Glorifies God, revealed in the man Jesus Christ, and responded to with the Holy Spirit.
Faith is His Bride (not bodies in church)
Grace is the wedding dress
Love is Xians Dowry
I could be wrong.
BUT ANYWAY check out Kemper Crabb! PTL...King of Kings JESUS
FlyingAxblade 9 months ago
Does the Song Say JESUS? or just "He"...so glad you know who "He" is but you may not be bringing in seekers. They will not get
FlyingAxblade 9 months ago
I think it's okay to express God's greatness, love etc in a song, but not 100 times in a row! Honestly, when you look into the Psalms, they are really unique and the psalmists try to describe God in different ways. There is not so much repeating of the same line than most worship songs have.
lueling 10 months ago
Please do not make excuses/explanations for your praise songs in this “politically correct” world. God doesn’t, so why should you? They will tie your hands and you’ll not be free to write your worship songs. Who are trying to please, God or man? Many of your songs have been translated into Portuguese that we sing here in Brazil. Please rethink your “doubts.”
Beve1950 11 months ago
ok sorry I didn't explain myself correctly when I say get lost in is purely in a selfish way. of course you have to feel God's presence and be lost in it. what I mean is just that it should get to the point where I forget about the others when my duty is to be used as a vessel by the Holy spirit to make them feel the way that I feel. It's a mistake I do a lot. But there's nothing on this earth I enjoy most than being in His presence don't get me wrong... anyway God bless you brother!
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan Sorry I still dont understand, why shouldnt you get lost in God? Others may not understand it again just as Kind David danced before the LORD his own wife didnt understand why he was doing what he did. All im saying is that when we hone into true worship and get lost in His presence it shouldnt matter what others think or feel about it, it may be different or new to them but, thats no reason for us as worshipers to shift our focus on them and not God.
santiago262 11 months ago
@santiago262 Sorry Person who Believes...YOU SHOULD NOT GET LOST! Over and over in scripture it says be aware. No offense, but before you use the Bible as a reference, read it. King David got castigated severely by his wife when dancing before the Lord. And David really is not, how do you say this in english?, David is not an example for Christians...David is the History of Christ Jesus. Where does Jesus say how great David was? Be Well, Be Blessed, READ THE BIBLE...<---everyone
FlyingAxblade 9 months ago
@FlyingAxblade I am not lost thank you. FIrst an for most you have to understand that David was a king adorned with the finest clothes, jewels etc. The reason David danced the way he did before the Lord is because God is king of kings right. And David taking off all these things is showing that before God, David being a king ment nothing because God is the true king. David was payin homage to the Lord in dancing the way he did....
santiago262 9 months ago
@FlyingAxblade ...David's wife did not understand this because all she saw was in the carnel not in the spiritual. His wife was worried about the reputation of the kindom and had no concern with anything else. ...David is the perfect example for christians. He's called a man after God's own heart. Wouldnt any christian want to strive to be just that?
santiago262 9 months ago
@FlyingAxblade Jesus was born from a decendant of David yes but, in all honesty Jesus is David's history. John 1:1-5. Jesus was even before the foundations of the earth... Jesus quotes various Psalms threwout his ministry, even upon the cross he does this. Jesus doesnt need to speak directly about David, in him quoting the Psalms is a testement to King David. Please I do read my bible in latin, arimaic and hebraic. Itseasy to be codescending and not know it so please watch what you say.
santiago262 9 months ago
@FlyingAxblade You be blessed to my dear brother/sister in Christ. You keep reading as well. Lets walk into glory together, forever to praise the name of the LORD.
santiago262 9 months ago
Wow is this guy serious? All I have to say to you and anyone else is what is the greatest commandment : Matthew 22:36-37. Love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and will all thy sould, and with all thy mind. Why shouldnt you say in any song that you love God or think He is beautiful, when you step out of that relm and start to consider what people interpret the meaning of your worship and love for the one true God then thats when you start to grieve God's heart.
santiago262 11 months ago
@santiago262 He knows that, and he doesn't refute that. All he is saying is that there are songs that are great because they express God's beauty and some that are maybe not to real for others. As a worship leader I know that some songs speak more to some people than they do to others. For example it is very hard (and that's what he is saying) for a guy who has never been loved to love God. None of us actually LOVE GOD as we should. So a worship leader must be wise and be sensitive to the lead
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan ...I do apologize but, i have yet tobelieve anything like that, once again its just compromise. Your not there up on that alter to appease to the hearts of man you are up there to seek the heart of God. Just as David was a man after God's own heart(1Samuel 13:14) When you start to compromise your worship to God for the sake that it may not be right for this or that person then you start to step out of the relm of pleasing God and instead are pleasing man.
santiago262 11 months ago
@santiago262 I understand what you mean. I'm not saying you are up there to appease anyone. I'm saying you're up there to lead EVERYONE in the presence of ALMIGHTY GOD! This means when I choose songs I'm not there to sing what I want to sing even if I love those songs so much and it comes from my heart etc...
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan I wasnt saying you, sorry I was using you and your as generalities. But, its not a question of how will i lead these people/congrigation into the presence of God. Its a literal question of God will you grace us with your presence. And thats all worship is, its us seeking god heart in spirit and in truth, and in turn He takes in our worship as a pleasing aroma and with that God brings His presence we dont.
santiago262 11 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo... I HAVE TO SING WHAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD WANTS ME TO SING! This is lesson number 1 when you learn to lead the worship. And we all learn more everyday... I really get his point because I have been confronted to that when I was leading. And it's not about making compromises like I said it's about being wise.
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan That sounds nice brother but, im sorry this man is clearly compromising his heart and how he is responding to the Holy Ghost all because some bloke may find it different. A person may feel that way is because they dont understand what it is to worship, they dont understand that God delights in such praise where you stop conidering the things of this world and how people view you and just worship. Thats exactly what King David did before God.
santiago262 11 months ago
@santiago262 It's true that People shouldn't feel like that but hey that's a human feeling that I understand and I don't think it's really compromising it's just choosing your words in all wisdom to then get to worship him in spirit and in truth. I agree though that we shouldn't be blocked by that. And worship is a mean of Evangelism. My dad was not led to Christ because of the preaching but because of the smile on people's faces when they worshipped the Lord.
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan Thats exactly what i mean. Worship is a form of evangalism its just indirectly. Your father didnt get saved becasue of someon preaching but, because ultimatly im sure he saw the beauty that worship brought and the way Gods presence was so evident. Thats the defining factor of worship, when we let go and realize: Im standing on this alter or in this church seeking the heart of my God,. And thats how worship ministers by God brining is presence to us, not us bringing.
santiago262 11 months ago
@Genosukesan but, hey its late and im going to bed. Thanks for talking with me, be blessed my brother lets keep being those worshipers like David seeking our father's heart no matter what. -In Christ's Love- -Santiago- (Luke 4:18-19)
santiago262 11 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo... HE LEADS, NOT US! And if you are a worship leader you should know that too! And I agree with you that we should have David's heart (like unto God) but often we (as worship leaders) get lost in the worship which is good for us but not all the time for the congregation.
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@santiago262 of the Holy Spirit when we choose a song list. Although they are ALL good, they might not be appropriate for this or that kinda person and ONLY GOD knows. Quoting the bible it is also said to "be wise as serpents and harmless as doves" so lets use his wisdom in leading the people into his presence cuz if you don't do it well (in spite of all the good will you have) you might end up not being used by God and if it's not him it's Satan...
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan Again thats just compromise, Im a worship leader also and to tell you the truth no one ushers in the presence of God, someone singing or playing an instrument doesnt bring Gods presence. Its when we as worshipers come to the understanding that we are seeking our fathers heart just as David did. David never worshipped God because it appealed to other people he worshipped because he knew it pleased God's heart.
santiago262 11 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo... Now to finish, I used this scripture because leading the worship can also be (and that's what they are basically talking about here) a mean to evangelise to people. That's what I had to do this past Sunday evening so sorry brother but it is not out of the context. When you lead the worship you have to use God's wisdom and be yourself humble as a dove before God almighty. That's the way I see it, and it is a state of mind we should have everyday.
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan Why shouldnt we get lost in worship? In sence we as worship leaders set the example if you dont want to get lost in Gods presence then thats not right. If I cant do as David did and dance and shout and sing and get lost in the presence of the LORD all because im trying to be wise to how other people feel about it then thats not being someone who truly worships God.
santiago262 11 months ago
@Genosukesan Worship and Evangalism are two different things, they both minister to people but, in a different way. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 10, is evangalising directly to people out in the world. When you are upon the alter worshiping it is for the sole purpose of seeking God's heart and gainin that intimate time with Him. And though you worshiping may minister to someone its indirectly. Again jesus was saying you are as sheep amongst wolfs so be wise and gentle because....
santiago262 11 months ago
@Genosukesan ..the world is overtaken by satan because Adam gave away the authority over the earth that God had given to him when he was created. Jesus in that passage is talking about direct evangalism where you make that personal connection with an individual out in the world outside of the church's four walls. Wisdom about worship only comes from spending time with God and gaining that intimacy just as David did wo that when you are upon that alter making that sacrafice of praise God......
santiago262 11 months ago
@Genosukesan ...again breaths in that praise sacrifice once He takes that into Himself, He then breaths out His presence upon us.
santiago262 11 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo... That being said God bless you and if I offended you in any way I do apologise. We will maybe continue this interesting discussion up there hahaha! Be Blessed, thanks for sharing your point with us!
Genosukesan 11 months ago
@Genosukesan That scripture you used(Matthew 10:16) is being misused. Jesus is talking to His disciples about ministering to the world preaching the gospel in the name if Christ Jesus. And though that is a form of honoring and worshiping God, with this type of worship, playing and singing, its being used out of context. The wisdom and gentlness you are reffering to is how we are to be when we go out into the world as sheep amongst wolfs. Jesus is saying be aware of the dangers satan has plotted.
santiago262 11 months ago
Interesting interview
MarietteDavina 11 months ago
Sounds a little like the world is starting to make us (Christians/worshipers) second guess ourselves.......not good.
Sax4Him 1 year ago
The fundamental problem can be summed up with this expression:
"Jesus is my boyfriend."
That's what a LOT of prayer, discussion, song and even personal ideas of Jesus truly are at their core. So much of the "free" church movement has turned Jesus into some nice, soft, cuddly, love-boat for the women and almost entirely glossed over his gritty, hard and fundamentally manly side.
Let me close on this:
Jesus is NOT my boyfriend.
Start there and we may find Jesus behind what so many think he is.
thirteenfingers 1 year ago
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His! MATT,GOD WILL LET US GO IF WE KEEP DISOBEYING HIM, that is Biblical!
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His! MATT,GOD WILL LET US GO IF WE KEEP DISOBEYING HIM, that is Biblical!
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His!
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
Is this about man and what we think or feel or God IN us and His Holy Spirit leading us??????? This was so unspiritual. Obey God and His Holy Spirit or you are not His!
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
I really appreciate Redman's willingness to acknowledge that he wishes he would've changed the "Jesus, I am so in love with you" line. I love the rest of that song, but that line bugged me, so instead we sing "Silently, I'll wait to hear from you." Seems to fit with the general idea of the rest of the song.
markmohrlang 1 year ago
I have recently been reading a book entitled "Why men hate going to church" and this same topic discussed here was raised in the book and it does suggest that many men feel uncomfortable with the romantic love aspect for Jesus in the songs and also points out that a lot of older hymns were more about `putting on the armour of christ, marching to war etc` which sounds more blokely. I like the new worship songs but even I thinks it`s a bit strange when we sing`I love you` repeated on screen.
MerseysideAlice 1 year ago
I'm glad to hear that! It's awesome!
Billylurose 1 year ago
Come and check out CRC Wimbledon on Sundays at 9.20am, at the Wimbledon Odeon Cinema...we have manly men, plenty of young people and a rocking vibe, even with the "love songs" :)
Trust me, come and see for yourself, it's something different!
The Lord is amazing! Once you get to know him you will want to close your eyes and sing how much you love him, you won't be able to help yourself! :)
beliboskop 1 year ago
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beliboskop 1 year ago
We are all God's children and as His children, our gender does not matter at all. So sing it out loud so that everyone can hear you "I LOVE YOU JESUS, WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL, YOU ARE WONDERFUL, MARVELLOUS, BEAUTIFUL!" One should not be ashamed of doing that, cause He is worthy of all worship and praise, Amem! This is totally a man thing (get over it guys!)
Billylurose 1 year ago 8
As a young woman in Christ I say AMEN to that!!! :)
beliboskop 1 year ago
@GRANTEDREPENTANCE
This is true I believe brother.
I was in some services in the last few days where God's river of fire showed up. The power fell when the worship songs were (often improvised) simple one liner lyrics, fully Jesus centred, not "me" centred complex narratives about "my response" to God.
The christian music industry is just that, merchandise-entertaining folks who simply cannot and will not pay the price, IE die to the old life and surrender to Christ absolutely..
goldsmithexile 1 year ago
I couldn't desagree more! It does not matter if you're a man or woman, when it comes to worshiping the Lord, what really counts is the way you express your love for Him, whether singing or just declaring out loud, so what's the problem in singing "I love you". You're singing that to your own Father and Creator, and that's wonderful!
Billylurose 1 year ago 2
It is an encouragement to me that a christian songwriter/singer is wrestling with how to be more biblical with his music. To me he seems to be making a point about communicating accurately (with consideration of where the culture is). I am not in agreement with some of his thoughts, but it seems that his wrestling, and being honest about the work he has produced, honors God and lifts high the authority of the Bible. There is grace for men who seek the face of God!
mtwbulgaria 1 year ago 2
@mtwbulgaria
i do not know if he is wrestling or just saying he is because i think he just keeps writing mush to feed the industry demands - you might want to see my song Bloody Jesus, i'd be curious to know what you think of it
tafxkz 1 year ago
some great insight
jtbeatbox 1 year ago
Why would you ever regret loving Jesus romanticly we are suppose to make Him are first love' He is the lover of my soul and His love is better and greater then the love of this world if men are embarassed to worship God then that is sad becuase God wants to have a intamete and personal relationship with us.
puffyclouddd1 1 year ago
One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. Psalm 27:4
BigPiePublishing 1 year ago
If you cant say to jesus that you love love and love him, than you got to revisit you root with God.. Because After what Jesus did for me.. all I want to do and say is" I Love you so much Jesus". You have no Idea of what God love is all about.
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prittydeb 1 year ago
Hmm I don't know...I think "beautiful" and "love" have been co-opted by our "romance"-drunk culture to mean only part of what they were intended to mean. God, you are beautiful to me! And awesome!
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fargdude 1 year ago
One of our foremost examples of a true worshiper is King David. David was both a warrior and a worshiper. So clearly we don't have to lose our manliness to be true worshipers. But if our manliness gets in the way, we have failed to realize just how great God is and how small we are. David's psalms express a wide range of manly yet passionate worship.
fargdude 1 year ago
This is a familiar refrain- "Men can't connect with intimate worship songs." A lot of it has to do with machoism. We love him because he first loves us. If some men can't be moved to deep worship by Christ's sacrifice and love then perhaps they aren't genuinely saved. True worship is spiritual and the natural man can't understand it. That said, God is infinite and incredible and transcendent. Our worship needs to reflect the numerous aspects of His revealed character and nature.
fargdude 1 year ago
The way a REAL son of God, sings and talks about how much he loves him is totally different, not like a love towards a man, its for who the man is. Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior and he's the Lord and Savior of many others also, and I thank him, because without Him I would not be here today who I am, most likely dead, how many times, unthinkable, Or if I were alive i would have been a total mess up, Finally I have a purpose to Living life, God is good :) amen
jimjemrules 1 year ago
that was such a good answer
davidkeithbecket 1 year ago
I do feel uncomfortable with a lot of the worship songs that constantly, over and over, say things that sound like "When i gaze longingly into your face and ache for the warmth of your embrace" or "As I look into your loving eyes I want to feel you fill me up inside." Anyone with half a semester of Freudian psychology could pick that apart in three seconds! Yes, the Bible does use groom/bride imagery on occasion but not very often, and the wedding hasn't occurred yet! Just use it in moderation.
jsharp1701 1 year ago
I noticed that those who have not experience love relationships i.e. teens , find it hard to express love in worship. Teen musicians play worship music like they are playing rock music. Totally ungentle, unromantic , insensitive to the spirit of the song.
denim98 1 year ago
" God is a person, he is called the Father,and also referred to as "Him"or"He", but as the bible says there is a trinity which is God the Father,God the son, and God the Holy Spirit,three different beings yet still of the same,people will argue this but this is just a part of what Christianity is about,as Christians we are a Faith based (and i dont like the word religion but) "religion" yet i challenge all christians out there in your faith,if your not willing to die for it why believe it
PCGman 1 year ago
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Blokey Bloke can't sing I love you Jesus? Address the real issue there...Youre not saved! If you cant sing/say you love Jesus we in more trouble as a church than I thought we were. When Matt started saying he regretted that song he wrote I thought finally hes going to mention the whole "let my words be few" line not the "I'm so in love with you" one. Oh so disappointing to hear us watering down everything these days. Matt that was the best line you had in the song pal!
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This is a ridiculous observation. The reason so many men dont enjoy worship times is because of the language of the songs?? Are you serious?? Romance is part of scripture, the language of worship will be adoring, will ask of us to behold the bride groom, to adore our maker, to fill us and to move in us. Men are stupid, they need lessons on how to relate to their maker . Lets not pretend its because the music is too gushy for us. What are we, three years old?
ootaynee 2 years ago
All humans are brute beasts in the presence of God's holiness. Our God does woo us as a husband does his bride. But our present-day culture is so far removed from God. Our hearts are callused. We must be taught how to have intimate fellowship with the Lord, because our earthly sense of romance/love/intimacy has become so distorted. Women have more strength in relating, but that doesn't make men stupid. We can all learn from each other. Gender differences are real & God's intended design.
trustingmygod 2 years ago 12
what Matt Redman means, is that what most worship songs now'a'days are focused on what God can do for us, but what true worship is is surrendering to him and giving him praise. not seeing what he can do for us.
ChrisGood7350 2 years ago
i don't know why you have some many thumbs down. totally agreed.
ttdog00 1 year ago
i have to disagree with you here. God made us men to be men so naturally we aren't meant to be mushy (trust me, often worship music can be mushy). Jesus Christ was the Messiah, God in the flesh, a man's man, not a man with a woman's face. I applaud Matt Redman for his observation here.
sajjify116 1 year ago
I agree.. but even Jesus wept and definitely felt real emotion.
historian186 1 year ago
@historian186 You have to be careful about people saying things about emotions. There are good emotions and bad emotions. A murderer is emotionless. God make us with emotions or you couldn't show any remorse ot joy over anything. I think it is a trap that some people teach somethings that can keep a person from being the person God created them to be. Real and honest with themselves.
SuperJoy111 1 year ago
@SuperJoy111
Once again, we need to look at the example of Jesus. He revealed His true emotions time and time again authentically and appropriately - He is a real man, who is also God.
historian186 1 year ago
@historian186
Praise God for creating us so unique.
Where most get into trouble is when they think that he was just a prophet, just a man or try to separate Christ from God.
SuperJoy111 1 year ago
@SuperJoy111
You got it spot on - and the evidence to show Jesus is God abounds biblically and indeed, all around us. Afterall, He is the Living Word of God, Emmanuel - God with us.
historian186 1 year ago
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This is just the Devil's way of trying to take God out of our lives. besides, God is an immortal man.
mylokoko 2 years ago
God is an immortal Spirit, not man.
John 4:24 "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
wpgrocker 2 years ago 8
@wpgrocker Couldn't of said it better
contactmatts 1 year ago
@wpgrocker He became a man! Christ said "I and the Father are one."
meinerHeld 1 year ago
Im sorry but God is not a man, and immortal just isn't the right word to use for God
symanoy 2 years ago
"Immortal just isn't the right word to use for God" - the bible disagrees... "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen" 1 Timothy 1:17. If Jesus was just a man then I would understand the cringing at the thought of singing "I love you" to him - but he is fully man and fully God, and as many people have already pointed out, God is love, and Christians together make up the Church, which is Christ's bride.
musicbrowser 1 year ago
You dont hear people in the bible call jesus beautiful because he was gonna ben despised by men, to call Jesus beautiful shud be your hearts cry, to say i love Jesus is a privilige, some countries you cant even say Jesus name without getting into trouble! so be thankful and make the most of the freedom we have to say how much we Love him for what hes done, Love is associated with Jesus!! he is love!!
scott0abby 2 years ago 2
screw what men can relate to! God loves us either way, and if it makes a christian man uncomfortable to say he loves God back then he needs to think hard about his beliefs.
this is kinda idiotic not being able to connect with God for fear of others thinking it is 'weird or romantic'..
scerrick 2 years ago
I have no problem saying I love you to Jesus.
ripefortheharvest 2 years ago
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It's a pack of lies, what's wrong with you idiots? Your magic invisible friend theory is utter rubbish. Just how stupid will you allow yourself to become?
nilbud 2 years ago
then why search and watch a christian video?
PLONKzz 2 years ago
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Because you're a cunt.
nilbud 2 years ago
I wasn't trying to be judgemental, I was honestly wondering
PLONKzz 2 years ago
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No you weren't, you've been lying for so long you just don't realize it anymore. Give up your old fairy tales and deal with reality instead of fake love born of fear.
nilbud 2 years ago
well i can understand why it may seem that way to you, but I know what it's like to know Jesus and it's real to me :)
PLONKzz 2 years ago
Well done Matt thats all i can say, good answer fella
danhaines75 2 years ago 2
i think this is stupid ! im sure jesus wasnt "comfortable" wen he was hanging on a cross 4 us , so we shudnt hav a problem wit being uncomfortable 4 him ! we shudnt hav dat sort of pride dat wud stop us from saying we love God
D3RK33Z3R 2 years ago
That's not what he's saying. And there are fundamental differences between men and women and since worship isn't a science, we should examine if men can't enter in as easily as women.
Jimbo3783 2 years ago
Amen, brother. Or at least they should get over our "discomforts" for Jesus. Love doesn't have to be sexual, and a lot of people need to get over that.
Rplover 2 years ago 3
David Murrow in the book 'why men hate going to church' picks up on this topic.
Maybe its time for song writers to start writing more songs that speak of Jesus' strength, power, authority, victory ect. Things that men can relate to and connect with easier, rather than songs that say 'im so in love with you.'
Yes we need songs that speak of Jesus' love, but also songs that speak of his power ect.
dannyramone1 2 years ago
This is interesting and founded on a reality that is ignored re: worship music. While I think that the meaning of the word love has been distorted and narrowed in popular culture in the USA i find myself fulfilled by the "romantic" worship songs, often. I also can often find myself going into a squishy mindframe re: God/Jesus when singing some of them. Anyway, a very interesting and relevant discussion.
jacqriser 2 years ago
Good stuff. I've been reading the book "King me" about fathers raising boys to not be feminized and he actually addresses this issue. Good to hear Matt say the same thing. Jesus is not ever called beautiful in the Scripture and the point of Scriptural purity should be first and foremost on the importance scale of what music we worship the Lord to.
clm12704 2 years ago
@clm12704 READ THE HOLY WORDS of GOD not a book. He is the Lilly of the Valley, the Rose of Sharon, Morning Star and many beautiful descriptions, He is more than all Words that we speak. Worship doesn't have to be with words nor music, IN Spirit and IN Truth. God is feminine and masculine. Do a Hebrew study on WHO He IS. Adam and Eve were made at the same time, women are then taken out of man. Wisdom who IS God and Who is the Holy Spirit is feminine. God is both feminine and masculine
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
Saying I love you is uncomfortable to many people, not because its weird to say it, but because love means something painful or broken to us. God's intent is to teach us what love truly means. Its not all romance, which in itself is good, but His Love is deeper, Holy and purer. Teaching that 'manly men' don't feel or use their hearts or express affection or admiration is broken teaching. Jesus came to restore love to its proper intended place. He is Love!
ootaynee 2 years ago 2
back in Bible College we used to refer to it as worship porn
kevinasaurus 2 years ago
there was a song Heather Clark wrote, Kisses of Your mouth. It made me, and still makes me uncomfortable. Kiss me with the kisses of Your mouth Lord.
rozzie101 2 years ago
@rozzie101 We are His Bride, He tabernacles IN us and will take our dead bodies resurrected to tabernacle with Him, He is the Groom in the Song of Songs/Solomon, We are the Bride, it all goes along with all the Feasts, even the birth of Christ was during the Feast of Tabernacles in the month of Tishri Sept/Oct and trees were waved before the Lord, the Candles lit 7 days and a joyous celebration. We celebrate daily all that God has done and be ashamed for our past sin and stop sinning.
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
thought was pretty spot on! appreciate MR and his honesty.
SICC25 2 years ago
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johnnydrumsdotcom 2 years ago
Theres nothing unmanly abt worshipping the God who created u! We were created 2 worship God! Forget what the flesh tells u is "normal" or "manly". The definition of a tru man is one who worships God and isnt worried abt whether its a "manly" thing to do! John 4:24!
chitanda1 2 years ago 2
You don't seem to understand what he is saying. The metaphor of the church being the Bride of Christ is only one of the ways we are to understand our relationship with the One True God. And, it is not the best metaphor to use when trying to connect with men while teaching worship or the Gospel. The church is also God's children, warriors, saints, messengers, servants, friends and other ideas. Singing that Jesus is our boyfriend is not the only way to worship.
angelvonfrankim 2 years ago
Worshipping God doesnt mean standing in Church singing love songs.. This is only a small aspect of a great picture.. Worshipping God could be as simple as going to work with a positive outlook.
mjaquiery 2 years ago 3
@mjaquiery I must share with you that what you said is not from the Lord. It's not just about Love songs true but just a positive outlook is not biblical. Obeying His commands and doing His will only is what makes us separated and His, giving yourself as a living sacrifice to Him and knowing you were unworthy of what He did for us in complete sorrow and shame and then joy knowing that He did bring us grace so that we could live IN Him and Obey Him and Be IN all His ways.
Joyce4Christ 1 year ago
God made everyone unique... Don't expect everyone to be worshipping God in the Church like you do.. You are a unique individual who sees the world through your eyes... They are also unique individuals who worship God in a way that is unique to them......
mjaquiery 2 years ago
Tons of misunderstanding in these comments. Matt Redman isn't saying "in love" is necessarily a wrong statement, but that others could misinterpret the phrase because of the associated baggage.
He makes it clear that he knew exactly what he meant when he wrote the phrase; he just has regret of the cultural ramifications and the context of that song itself (which is about awe, not love). He's one of the best songwriters out today; he's mindful of the tension between God's love AND justice.
JPBronsin 2 years ago
Well not entirely, you could also conclude that the song means he is in awe because he is in love. If love isn't in the equation, the awe of the song is meaningless.
aelkins02 2 years ago
If Matt gets where men are coming from, why does he write the lyrics?
Because the average CCM listener is a 35 year old WOMAN.
rhjonathan 2 years ago
I think that's part of the problem, yes. The Christian music industry is consumer driven, its a business, unlike the hymn writers of old who who never expected to see a dime from their efforts.
lgfarlow 2 years ago
it is Agape love so it shouldn't be difficult or uncomfortable.
Judith764 2 years ago 2
Once you actually get the audience they're talking about back into church, assuming they stay around for long enough with the `soft` imagery in the songs... and they start attending the bible study.... and you have a study sometime that year that unpacks agape love, you're right this should take care of itself.
silvi01977 2 years ago
I understand the point of it all but I have to say. In the past when I spoke in tongues and then interpreted it. My spirit was saying "My Lord, Jesus I love you". The Holy Spirit gives us a prayer language of spirit and truth and gives a good praise before the Lord. So I can say confidently that Jesus is pleased with the words "love" being spoken to Him whether someone feels that way or not is probably the bigger issue.
havingfun35 2 years ago
matt redman wat a legend
ymcachick2009 2 years ago
i am a christian and saying i love jesus is just like loving your father/dad
videokiller214 2 years ago 2
@videokiller214 i agree with u. What this guy is saying is that these songs make Jesus into a lover, not God imo
sajjify116 1 year ago
I like this interview. I bought Beautiful News first, then some of his older music and did notice a bit of romanticism in it. I'm glad he recognizes that as well, and is changing to be more correct to scripture (as is seen is his latest album).
DDDDDDDD35 2 years ago
John4:24.
It is my opinion that God in not a "bloke" and worshipping him should never leave you feeling "funny".
JOHN 4:24
pmsalways 2 years ago
Very interesting...i am a song writer..something to think about and to pray about...Thanks, Godbless loads..
shinesmile77 2 years ago
I dont think there is nothing wrong with you refering to God as beautiful. I believe the enemy is the one who tries to pervert meanings.
dstmusiic 2 years ago
well, if you read Psalms David sings about his LOVE for God from Psalm 1 to 150. God Bless.
SmileLoveForgive 3 years ago
Matt,
Thank you so much for your honesty about this subject. It is my desire as a worship leader to fully express my adoration to God without bringing the relationship down to the natural level. I want to find the balance on how to worship Him in spirit and truth without the confining distance that mere religion creates or to lower worship down to the natural level. I am on that journey. Lets press on.
lynnjazzbabe 3 years ago 2
I know what you mean! we really now as a church are more of an organization and its not really about drawing near to God. Instead we should change the style in order to draw people and make more money. We can justify it by giving a percentage to the poor. After all we are all trying to build our own little kingdoms
Caleb000007 3 years ago
Is this uncomfortable feeling because of worship songs or because men are not in touch with their loving side? David ran around town in his undies once - he didn't care what people thought, he was comfortable with God. We MUST be unabashed in our lavish praise and love for God. Period. Passion is not unpassionate. Lose your concept of yourself to gain God's concept of you. I'm surprised a worship leader would confess anything less. We give ALL to God, not what feels easy.
HopeForPeaceNow 3 years ago 2
I am very much for men leading in the church. I think too often women misunderstand what their role is. But that's a different subject. I'll be thinking about this and reading scripture. But I think victory561 is right. The kind of Love we have for God is different than what we have with others. But even so, Christ describes himself as the bride of His church. So it seems natural to describe him as beautiful, etc. We are called to worship all three persons of the trinity...
sarahemusic 3 years ago
Actually the church is described as Christ's bride, not the other way around. I would not describe Christ as beautiful because for 1 I've never seen him face to face myself, but his works and craftmanship are beautiful to me!!!
theroyalpriest 2 years ago
Guess I'm a bloke-y woman. I cannot stand the feminization of the so-called church.
I desire to see men stepping up and leading in incredible ways. Unafraid.
GOTTshua 3 years ago
I must say, what are you talking about????
GOD is not a man, is not a women, is GOD, what you are doing is humanizing and fitting religion to the matter,do not do this , especially publicly , influenciating he minds of the ignorant with very poor information, yes he wants us to love him, call him beautiful and show him how great and merciful he is, if you not confortable with showing a Love to a GOD who's love can compare to non,dont do it, and please do not make a fool of yoursel.
victory561 3 years ago
His last words were that he was "being candid because he wants us to learn as a church." The confusing mess that the church is in has a name... Babylon. Our Master is calling to his people who have ears to hear to "come out of her".. "lest you partake of her sins and suffer her plagues." The worship taking place in the church for the most part, if not all, is false because it is not worship of the Father. The sad reality is that practically no one even understands what I'm saying. SEARCH!!!
modelbill 3 years ago
modelbill, thats interesting, but you should tell that to Jesus, Matt 28:17. Btw, Yahshua isn't a Heb. word, Ya- is never used as a prefix, and yehoshua is really just an old hifel conjucation, its not part of the Tetragrammaton.
DolosChristou 2 years ago
The worship of ישׁוּע (looks Hebrew to me) is not the worship that belongs to the Father, which is tied to the set-apart convocation times that He established.
modelbill 2 years ago
YAH shua is not Hebrew-I stated the reasons-lo maaskim:)? Dabber be'ivrit-atta mevin? beseder:)? You are ignoring a clear Biblical passage, and passages-Jesus, Yeshua, Yehoshua, was worshiped by his talmudim, and the Nt says the father is honoured in the son:).
DolosChristou 2 years ago
Please forgive my ignorance of Hebrew. Yahshua, Yeshua, is a phonetic rendition of Strong's H3442. However "Jesus" would not ring familiar with any of the Apostles. The more crucial issue is to know the Son and to know the Father, and for one to be known by Them. The worship of divinity, our Master, which is certainly appropriate, is being confused with worship of deity, our Father, to the exclusion of our Father, Who said He would share His glory with no one. That includes His Messiah.
modelbill 2 years ago
In Hebrew, what is the differnce between Diety, and Divinity? For that matter, what is the differnce in English? Diety means Godhood, as does Divinity, it carries the same meaning...can you explain your line of reasoning to me for the discrimination of terms in your usage?
DolosChristou 2 years ago
Divinity refers to that which is of Heaven or in Heaven (devine). Angels would be considered divinity. Deity (Godhood) is the self-existent Creator. There is only One deity, הוה .
Our Master is to be reverenced as Messiah and King, and since he is now in heaven after being given immortality through resurrection, he is divine. He is not deity, contrary to Christian doctrine. He is Theos in the sense of having been made Master. When our Father said that He was one that is what He meant.
modelbill 2 years ago
correction ...one deity, יהוה .
modelbill 2 years ago
Yes, God is one-but a mans reason(Dvar/Logos/Word), and spirit are one with him. Even so, Hashem, Dvar Hashem, and Ruach Hashem, are one-psalm 33:6.
DolosChristou 2 years ago
Please prayerfully review torahofmessiah com for responses. But consider this about Kefa: what the Father revealed to him about ישׁוּע was that he was the prophesied Messiah, not that he was God in the flesh. And at Pentecost, in front of that multitude of devout Hebrews, if he had preached a God in the flesh Messiah, there would not have been 3000 converts... they would have stone him to death for preaching blasphemy. He preached that ישׁוּע was MADE Master (kurios) and Messiah
modelbill 2 years ago
My friend, if Jesus is called God, and "all things came into being through him", ie the role of creator, then you may wish to consider that he is infact, God. Please note, in Zech 12:10 it is Yud Hey/Vav Hey who says he will be pierced.."and they shall look to me, whom they have pierced..."...as Revelation plainly calls him "The First and the Last".
DolosChristou 2 years ago
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rbradley780 2 years ago
what's causing the dilemma is not seeing the truth of John 4:23 and being able then to see where our Master fits in to that. A few years ago while part of the church praise team, it kept coming to my mind... "where's the worship of the Father in this?"... it was all worship of Jesus, who is not the Father. The fact is our Master is our High Priest and head of the body who also worships the Father and will lead the body in the worship of the Father if we will let him (submit to him).
modelbill 3 years ago
re: modelbill... Interesting statements. The Father definitely needs our worship as does Jesus and the Spirit, but I'm just curious... Are you a Jehovah Witness?? I just talked to a some JW's a few months ago and was blown away by their false beliefs about Jesus. Truly blasphemous stuff about Jesus not being God and being just a creation. They stressed the Father more than Jesus since they believe Jesus is not God and just His creation. Yikes! That's some major false teaching!
ssmiroldo 3 years ago
I was once where you are now... a captive in "Babylon", intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot". By the time Constantine came along the true faith of and in Messiah and of the apostles was hijacked and morphed into what you and I inherited via Catholicism via Protestantism. No I'm not JW. Most all religions have some truth, but it's mixed in with so much that's false that it's a polluted, intoxicating poison. I "keep the commandments of Yahweh and bear witness to Yahshua Messiah" Rev.12:17
modelbill 3 years ago
You're saying I am a captive in "Babylon" and intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot" even though I believe Jesus was raised from the dead and that He is Lord and that I have a relationship with Him because of the grace and unmerited favor He has bestowed on me by the work HE has done on the cross?? BTW... I turned away from Catholicism and to Christ Jesus (Yahshua Messiah) when I was 19 and believe the body of Christ is His church.
ssmiroldo 3 years ago
Being captive in "Babylon" and intoxicated with the "wine of the harlot" does not mean that one does not have salvation. After all, our Master is saying "come out of her MY PEOPLE". What it does mean is that his people will "partake of her sins and suffer her plagues" which is where mainstream Christianity is... living in disobedience because of deception (intoxication) and suffering for it. Read the articles under "How Christianity Has Changed" at fogwhistle ca.
modelbill 3 years ago
hmm, mixed emotions here too. was ok until the last couple lines. we're supposed to be in love w/ Christ. we'll never have the agape love like He has for us. that's supernatural love that only He can give, but we are His bride. we are supposed to be intimately involved. man has just messed up the meaning of love and being intimate
hughman174 3 years ago
hmmm, i dunno. something just doesn't sit right with me on this one...
stoney490 3 years ago
I guess I'm a girly bloke then, because it doesn't bother me in the least. For the average "bloke" that shows up in service, I do see where that might strike him as a bit weird though.
dodgerfreak2 3 years ago
An Alpha male is balanced all round. he can show his vulnerability and still maintain high social status. In front of God you are opened up like a book, you cant pretend. you will say how u trully feel and if you understand how much God loves you, you will confess. Guys we are so hard sometimes we 4get how much of a human we are.
manjumaru 3 years ago
Well said, Matt Redman! Yes, we are in love with Jesus, but it's easier for women to say that to a caring, protecting,teaching God than it is for men. The English language has oversimplified itself to the point where we use one word to mean many things. God is more manly than any man and He should be worshiped by all men without them feeling like they've become feminized.
MyTwelveKids 3 years ago
Worship is more than singing 'I love You, Lord'.
And worship music is not just soft, ethereal harmonies, though that can be good from time to time. There is a balance that I think many in the church have in the past missed...
miditrax 3 years ago
...i kinda just lost some respect for matt redman as a worship leader...
Song of solomon is all about the romantic side of Jesus/Bride's relationship with each other...it's supposed to be romantic...
lindseynghawkins 3 years ago