Five in Ten

[Audiofreund2]

thank you

[AustralianPatrol]

You do a wonderful and such calm job ... I do a more manic version in OZ at AustralianPatrol...

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

There aren't intelligent machines. Especially when the lights go out. Good luck.

[godoter]

Secretly there are! Relevant point though, why I said dump them all. You be lucky too and happy.

[godoter]

After Clausewitz and Sun-Tzu read De Landa & then dump them all. Then make it back to art, but not art-business, before it's too late.

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

godoter - I gave up De Landa. Can't understand a word he says. The web/netness of it all seems too obvious. What do you mean art-business?

[godoter]

What do you mean "What do you mean art-business?"?

only his 1000 years is ok and relevant to Clausewitz & tzu's warmongerings, and he is basically a dumbed down pop version of Deleuze. if you seeking answers then it depends on your motivations and how genuine they are, nothing's enough if you're not honest and:

watch?v=0D196-oXw2k

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

Hey godoter-

The strategists tell me more about the "art business" than the aesthetes tells me about the art business.

James Kalm is honest. I watch. You're interesting. Painter?

[godoter]

Sir William Slim: "Many years ago, as a cadet hoping someday to be an officer, I was poring over Principles of War, listed in the old Field Service Regulations, when the Sergeant-Major came up to me. He surveyed me with kindly amusement. Dont bother your head about all them things, me lad, he said. Theres only one principle of war and thats this. Hit the other fellow, as quick as you can, and as hard as you can, where it hurts him most, when he aint lookin."

[godoter]

Moi? I just write garbage on youtube. Aesthetes are hardly worth reading, less so on business. All the great strategists died miserable long ago and you're still grasping at apparent solids, worse yet on morbidity. Consider:

watch?v=Im4sfgvZZHE

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

Great video. The discussion interesting (MrWow and claureic).

For me it's fighting - with design, illusion, decoration and spirit. I've given up aesthetes for Clausewitz and Sun Tzu.

What a glorious battle. I can never say anything bad about an artist because they are beaten up enough by default. Winters wins. The poor women on the mirrors lose.

Thank you James Kalm. Best to you-

[godoter]

Only the veneer scratched at best as usual, as for those mentioned? History's dustbin. Good to monitor though, no wonder the mess.

[jameslour]

Ive been thinking about Terry Winters work here. Something is missing for me. I think it is a tension that he had in older paintings. I miss his raw line and his dissonance. Something more illustrative and less edgy, but very nice beautiful painting. Quite balanced now.

[jameskalm]

MrWow,

I think that Abts is facing some of the same head winds as Peyton et al. The small scale, tight handling and dry pallet just dont read as profound for those accustomed to big "New York" abstraction.

The question of the decorative strikes me like adding sugar to your food. Sometimes it adds to the palatability of the whole, but you dont want to eat straight sugar.

The ladies are getting lots of play in the museums lately, Peyton Heilmann and Abts at the New, Opie at the Gug

[MrWowforever]

do you know the work of thomas schiebitz, i think he shows at tonya bondaker......i like the dialogue with gerhard richters' grays (mirrors) in these two painters. also, malevich's white on white comes to mind. european abstraction.....yummy...thanks mr. kalm:)

[jameskalm]

I saw the Schiebitz show about three years ago. Someone at the Rail (perhaps Joan Waltemath) wrote an extended review at the time. I liked it, and the sculpture, though it had a light weight cursory feel to it. I know he was the Austrian (?) representative to Venice a couple of years ago too. The Germans have a way with gray.

[godoter]

Abt is doing more, a mix of op illusions and Escheresque illogicals. Is it worth painting them for sharpies Zwirner/Wirth or any reason IMO? No. Winters too is also mainly making dough but through Warholic repetitions of abstract patterns. Same verdict. All done before.

The debate between claureic & MrWowforever on abstract art, while initially insightful is now barking up the wrong tree. However it is probably the best on JK's videos so far. So do continue gentlemen.

[MrWowforever]

tomma abts is taking some bashing on your sight mr. kalm.....is it the work?...is it the 2006 Turner Prize?.....they rmind me of Thomas Schiebitz, Mark Grotjan and the russian constructivists........i like 'em:)

[claureic]

Terry Winters is awesome. What a brilliant sense of composition!

[claureic]

I don't think thatT omma Abts's works deserve more than 2 minutes of James Kalm's time. Pretty decorative and rather empty (just like the huge and pretentious gallery space they are shown in...). Thanks for the tour Jame, though.

[MrWowforever]

i think Matisse, and many other so inclined artists, made decoration an asset, an avenue worth exploring. Decorative is not a bad word, it's an essential element of making ideas visual. All art is, essentially, decorating ideas.:)

[claureic]

I agree if there is something more to it. If it is just decorative for the sake of it, then it becomes a bad word. I do not think that all art is essentially decorating ideas; I think it is expressing ideas in ways that are more convincing and potent than mere words.

[MrWowforever]

yes, but ideas are verbalized(through language and texts) or visualized(through an external expression). the painter paints, the sculptor sculpts, the dancer dances.........how can a painting be decorative 'for the sake of it'? As far as decoration is concerned, these paintings are no more or less decorative than any other. I think their avoidance of literal narrative or object is were the questions lie....not in the given that is decoration:)

[claureic]

Decorative for the sake of it if it is just pretty colors on a flat plane.Abstraction, or the avoidance of literal narrative or object, is obviously different and has nothing to do with decorating (ask Rothko...). Abts is painting pretty El Lissitsky, when El Lissitsky was painting El Lissitsky.

[MrWowforever]

'pretty colours on a flat plane'...i'm not trying to be a weenie, but, couldn't that definition apply to most painting. What is the difference between Mary Heilmann and Abts? I think it could be two different notions of decorating the canvas abstractly. My point being that the difference lies in the attitude, not the use of decoration.

[claureic]

I see your point. Consequently, I do not like Abts's attitude... As for Mary Heilmann, she does not try to emulate anyone; she's on her own out there and her belated recognition is a testimony to that (quite the opposite with the artist we are discussing here) and also to the fact that the NY artworld seems to like men better than women...

[MrWowforever]

i hear you..you don't like her work. as james brown lamented 'it's a man's world'....not just the new york artworld. we have some great artists in new york who happen to be ladies, they are smashing up against the boys club. mary heilmann is leading the charge:) thanks for the chat:)

[claureic]

For Matisse, the decorative was a means, not an end (see his painting "the Morrocans" which I think is at Moma, or "Porte fenêtre à Collioures" at Beaubourg). For Abts, unfortunately, I feel it is just an end. the effect I get from the video, is the same as when I see the works in real.

[godoter]

give us your end of year top 10 faves jimbo.

[RonzChannel]

That was great, but I'm feeling a little dizzy, maybe my sugar is low, I was waiting for queenzilla to rush out at G303. You get better all the time, JK.

[jeffreycollins]

Man those Terry Winters paintings look more like Philip Taffee than his older work. But they look a lot more painterly than Taffee's work.

[cypherbrian]

I can certainly see where you are finding a similarity between the two. I think it's because Terry is using pattern and repetition more directly in this series. He is definitely more painterly than Taaffe simply because he uses the physicality of self-made paints. Philip's use of collage/linocut/silkscreen is by nature less thick. He also relies more heavily on appropriation of design elements used in various artforms whereas Terry is finding his own interpretation of scientific elements.

[zipthwang]

tomma abts seems like a very thoughtful painter. incisive spatiality.

Terry winters is really onto something. I have never liked his work and in fact it used to irritate me. But this is great stuff. Love the fences...

[candeaguilar]

great great stuff with acception of the first one, good running music....

[cyphersum]

Yesterday I was wondering if you would do a video on the Terry Winters show. Too bad it isn't 10 minutes worth. Thanks for the viewing though.

The Abts show seemed to be underlit in that big gallery. Her work looks much better when we can see the colors correctly. Did it seem that way in person or was it problematic because of the camera?

Thanks James.

[jameskalm]

Hey cyphersum,

Sorry for the abbreviated view of Winters. Each ten minute program represents 3-4 hours of editing, not counting the transportation and the recording time. This saved me 15 hours of studio time.

Abts is a case of unphotographable nuances. Everything looks better under more light. Unfortunately I cant lug klieg lights around on my bike, JK

[cyphersum]

I completely understand and I'm thankful for the amount of effort you put into these productions!

[jameskalm]

PS

For high resolution versions of these vids check the lorenmunk site linked on this channel's home page. JK

[MrWowforever]

thanks for the five mr. kalm...like a hurried chelsea visit during lunch....mr. pittman looks good and terry winters in that beautiful gallery. brave of you to scope out 303...they have a bad reputation on Hows My Dealing also, makin' friends. thanks again:)