@michaelstmark with the load Schmitt was carrying (the one you like to point to, when you think it suits your purpose), quite far forward, or else he'd immediately fall on his back.
@michaelstmark ... and there is no reason for the heavily-loaded Schmitt to go bounding over uneven Lunar terrain in that weird twisted right and bent over-way, UNLESS he was attempting to watch the area in question... ...try it sometime
The bag falls in line with his foot, if thats the case he cant have been turning far, the Apollo suit is one piece, doesn't have a swivel setup at the neck as far as Im aware, TrueGroup abuse troll.
@michaelstmark You are an idiot. He is looking down and to his right. That enables him to see things around that area. He is moving forward, so the bag falls forward. It really is basic motion.
@TrueGroup You continue to spout total nonsense, the Apollo shell including visor assembly is one-piece. Schmitt might look peripherally but no way down/behind while remaining upright.
@michaelstmark Look dipstick. YOU said his head was sunk back into the helmet. WRONG. YOU said he was side on. WRONG. YOU now say the bag falls at Earth freefall speed. WRONG.
@michaelstmark So now you admit he is looking peripherally, and peripharal from a turned down head is down and behind. You keep on contradicting what you said previously. Side visors down. WRONG.
@TrueGroup Ordinary folk with a normally functioning brain connected up to their peepers will see the idiocy of your Scmitt x ray vision back through his bulked-out shoulder/massive PLSS & sample bag prodrudence, claim.
@michaelstmark No you blind fool. He is looking downwards, I posted a video with a screenshot. He simply catches a glimpse of movement at his feet.
Since you won't afford anybody the opportunity to debate YOUR video, you can sod off from mine. You've shot yourself in the foot with the stupid gun enough.
@michaelstmark In fact, a whole lot of WRONG, yet here you are spouting more rubbish. Speeded up even 50% that bag is still too slow, and your 'someone told him the bag fell' bullshit fits even less!
How could he have seen it out of the corner of his eye? His face is buried in the mask of his helmet. He must have heard it LOL. No sound on the moon. The original video and audio shows that he was told that he dropped it. It also proved there was no time delay in communication. NASA changed it. just like they airbrushed out the C in the Moon rock photo.
@TrueGroup If he can "see sideways" why did it take 3 seconds for him to turn after the bag dropped? He obviously didn't see it had fallen til he turns & says " Damn."
Take a look at some of the early AS image archive, the training stints at Houston where its plainly obvious an Apollo suit c/w visor assembly and pressure bowl way back within, severely restricts vision. You can go on trying to square the circle, but the facts stand by themselves, I don't need to try convince anyone.
@michaelstmark " why did it take 3 seconds for him to turn after the bag dropped?"
Because he caught a fleeting glimpse of it and wasn't sure? You people have ridiculously black and white observations of everything.
Don't try to explain the stupidity of making a visor that offers no peripheral vision, if that were the case they would hardly have any side flaps would they. Duhhhh.
@TrueGroup " Don't try to explain the stupidity of making a visor that offers no peripheral vision, if that were the case they would hardly have any side flaps would they." You just dug yourself into an inescapable crater.
If you check the full clip on my channel you'll see as Schmitt approaches closer to the Rover TV camera that both his side shades are fully closed close onto his visor on both sides, restricting his view to ... forward only.
@michaelstmark " You just dug yourself into an inescapable crater."
The problem with HBs and their inescapable craters is that the are always escapable. So you admit they can see out the sides when the visors are up, otherwise they wouldn't have side visors. And there are numerous clips showing this in training.
@TrueGroup You miss the point then laugh it off. Not a great way to dig yourself out..
Schmitt's visor was heavily side-shaded, you can see that plainly in the unedited clip when he jogs up to the tv cam' ..and its obvious to all but the truth-blind that no way would he be able see sideways, even if his head wasnt jammed well back from the front of the visor inside the secondary pressure helmet... which it was.
My vid' stands tall on its own merit, your objections are insubstantial.
@michaelstmark No I don't miss any point. You said the visor was down, I showed it wasn't. You lose.
/watch?v=khQ8kDi_YlI
No run along now unless you have anything tangible to add.
The side visors proved there was peripheral vison, you thought they were down, cried triumph, then crapped out. And I can laugh all I want at you shooting yourself in the foot.
@TrueGroup Nothing's changed from the original annotations on the video. Check it out, I noted "vision extends to 180 degs at the absolute max", and that's regardless of side shades or not.
If you want to believe peripheral vision would have allowed Schmitt to see down and back through his bulked-out right shoulder to the ground behind the big satchel and his trailing right leg, that's entirely your grip-on-reality problem
I'm cool, the original vid' stands tall on its own merits.
@michaelstmark No silly. He has forward momentum, the rock bag falls forward as it comes out. You can even see it falling close to his feet a split second after.
Movement to the peripheral vision is more acute, as I said, he caught a glimpse of something and stopped to check. Simple.
@TrueGroup Any sensible person seeing Schmitt side-on in the clip with all that exterior gubbins over pressurised bulk.. and seeing in Houston pre-flight training images just how well far back the a'nots heads were situated from the front visor assembly... will easily see who the silly one is here.
You're welcome to your wishful thinking - I have faith in the majority of impartial YT viewers' good grasp of common sense & observational skills, I'm cool to let them be the judge.
@TrueGroup Stupidity here, I suggest, belongs in the mind of the desperado who clings to the drowning man hope that Schmitt wouldn't have turned immediately if he'd noticed something fall on the ground beside him.
Another bag had dropped previously in the EVA, so Schmitt would have stopped his run and turned the moment he'd noticed something fallen.
The fact he carried on without hesitating or turning before suddenly jolting to a halt after 3 secs means he was told of the drop. .
@michaelstmark I've splattered every one of your arguments, now it's the 3 second shite again. It is under 3 seconds anyway, but so what? I gave a perfectly acceptable explanation. He caught a fleeting glimpse of it falling (I proved it was more than possible for him to see it!), then turned just to make sure.
Anyway, that bag. For it to fall at Earth gravity it needs speeding up -.square root of 9.8/1.62 = 245%.
@TrueGroup You fail on both counts of asserting a) Jack would be able to see the ground behind and below him at his feet through the pressurised suit plus PLSS & satchel gubbins and b) that he wouldn't have pulled up the moment he noticed something, given a bag had previously dropped. A long way from debunking anything 'fraid - guess you've failed in your little abusive troll mission.
@michaelstmark "..pulled up the moment he noticed something," Schmitt DID "pull up the moment he noticed something": The bag hits the ground in second 0:32, and Schmitt begins his turn in second 0:33. Since they were on the Moon - where weight is reduced by 5/6, while inertia remains the same as it is on Earth, it is impossible to "turn on a dime" the way one does on Earth, and one finds oneself on one's face if one tries. It is necessary to take a few steps to slow down.
@michaelstmark Apollo 11 EVA transcript: Aldrin @ 04 14 13 32 MET : “Okay. You have to be rather careful to keep track of where your center of mass is. Sometimes, it takes about two or three paces to make sure you’ve got your feet underneath you.”
04 14 14 05 MET: “About two to three or maybe four easy paces can bring you to a nearly smooth stop….”
@michaelstmark When sped up there isn't even enough time for somebody to notice, advise him and for him to turn. Now shove off and bother somebody else with your stupidity.
@michaelstmark Listen, perhaps you are too dense to understand. Do you think they are moving normally then??? If you speed it up to make it as per Earth gravity, it looks ridiculous.
@TrueGroup You;re getting at ass-uming the bag doesn't drop at earth gravity rate? I don't assume anything.. that would seem to be the difference between us,
@michaelstmark Yep, an idiot. So now the astronauts are moving normally now are they? I really couldn't give a fart what you think the drop speed of the bag is, it's clearly too slow for Earth, and if you say otherwise you are delusional.
@michaelstmark Even at Lunar speed. Go on, pretend to be the person 'secretly' telling him he dropped it. You have barely got enough time to react, relay this to him and for him to turn AT LUNAR SPEED! Speed it up and your theory goes down the crapper.
This is also an example of hoax nuts not being very smart and not knowing things they should know if they are going to accuse so many people of fraud.
The helmet does not turn all the way with the head. There is a lot of head mobility inside the helmet. At that moment, he could have been looking quite some distance to the right of the direction the helmet is pointed.
Now let's see some hoax nut say, "Yeah, but..." followed by some ridiculous argument that only makes them look even more stupid.
Here's another example of one of those hoax claims where they don't even consider the consequences of their own assumptions. This wouldn't make sense even if the missions *were* hoaxed. If it was impossible for him to see it on the moon, it would be just as impossible for him to see it if this was being faked on the earth.
One of my favorites is Jarrah's big discovery that a logo on a Mars rover at NASA and on Mars were different. Well, why might they be different if the whole thing was faked?
How far can anyone lean forward while reaining upright & jogging ... 5 degrees max is my guess. 45 you say?
lol
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark with the load Schmitt was carrying (the one you like to point to, when you think it suits your purpose), quite far forward, or else he'd immediately fall on his back.
occhamite 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark We notice that you don't care to talk about your "3-second delay" any more either.
occhamite 3 weeks ago
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@michaelstmark ... and there is no reason for the heavily-loaded Schmitt to go bounding over uneven Lunar terrain in that weird twisted right and bent over-way, UNLESS he was attempting to watch the area in question... ...try it sometime
occhamite 3 weeks ago
& btw, bag drop looks pretty much like could be @ earth grav' rate to me.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Then you are a fucking idiot. It is being expelled from the bag, so has downward force already and still is way too slow.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
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@michaelstmark "& btw, bag drop looks pretty much like could be @ earth grav' rate to me." !!!!
Have you been borrowing that crack pipe gm keeps on his living room table?
occhamite 3 weeks ago
The bag falls in line with his foot, if thats the case he cant have been turning far, the Apollo suit is one piece, doesn't have a swivel setup at the neck as far as Im aware, TrueGroup abuse troll.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark You are an idiot. He is looking down and to his right. That enables him to see things around that area. He is moving forward, so the bag falls forward. It really is basic motion.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup You continue to spout total nonsense, the Apollo shell including visor assembly is one-piece. Schmitt might look peripherally but no way down/behind while remaining upright.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Look dipstick. YOU said his head was sunk back into the helmet. WRONG. YOU said he was side on. WRONG. YOU now say the bag falls at Earth freefall speed. WRONG.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark So now you admit he is looking peripherally, and peripharal from a turned down head is down and behind. You keep on contradicting what you said previously. Side visors down. WRONG.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Ordinary folk with a normally functioning brain connected up to their peepers will see the idiocy of your Scmitt x ray vision back through his bulked-out shoulder/massive PLSS & sample bag prodrudence, claim.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark No you blind fool. He is looking downwards, I posted a video with a screenshot. He simply catches a glimpse of movement at his feet.
Since you won't afford anybody the opportunity to debate YOUR video, you can sod off from mine. You've shot yourself in the foot with the stupid gun enough.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark In fact, a whole lot of WRONG, yet here you are spouting more rubbish. Speeded up even 50% that bag is still too slow, and your 'someone told him the bag fell' bullshit fits even less!
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Hey coward-ass, your video has this....
"Adding comments has been disabled for this video." Why would that be? Afraid much!!
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Oh I don't know, something to do with aggressive unquestioning trolls without the guts to show their faces, posting abuse maybe?
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
How could he have seen it out of the corner of his eye? His face is buried in the mask of his helmet. He must have heard it LOL. No sound on the moon. The original video and audio shows that he was told that he dropped it. It also proved there was no time delay in communication. NASA changed it. just like they airbrushed out the C in the Moon rock photo.
Aeronauticalexplorer 1 month ago
@Aeronauticalexplorer "his face is buried in the mask of his helmet"
No. Your head is buried in the mask of your backside.
watch?v=VLqvq11dgX8
When he is sideways on, I can see his face, therefore he can see sideways.
C rock? The braindead observation of the century.
I don't expect you to watch this, but hell, it kicks the argument to death...
watch?v=cEygpL7r6Pk
Link in the description to the pictures used just days after the mission - no C.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup If he can "see sideways" why did it take 3 seconds for him to turn after the bag dropped? He obviously didn't see it had fallen til he turns & says " Damn."
Take a look at some of the early AS image archive, the training stints at Houston where its plainly obvious an Apollo suit c/w visor assembly and pressure bowl way back within, severely restricts vision. You can go on trying to square the circle, but the facts stand by themselves, I don't need to try convince anyone.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark " why did it take 3 seconds for him to turn after the bag dropped?"
Because he caught a fleeting glimpse of it and wasn't sure? You people have ridiculously black and white observations of everything.
Don't try to explain the stupidity of making a visor that offers no peripheral vision, if that were the case they would hardly have any side flaps would they. Duhhhh.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup " Don't try to explain the stupidity of making a visor that offers no peripheral vision, if that were the case they would hardly have any side flaps would they." You just dug yourself into an inescapable crater.
If you check the full clip on my channel you'll see as Schmitt approaches closer to the Rover TV camera that both his side shades are fully closed close onto his visor on both sides, restricting his view to ... forward only.
Guess you just sealed the argument.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark " You just dug yourself into an inescapable crater."
The problem with HBs and their inescapable craters is that the are always escapable. So you admit they can see out the sides when the visors are up, otherwise they wouldn't have side visors. And there are numerous clips showing this in training.
Now, that inescapable crater. Hahahahaha....
/watch?v=khQ8kDi_YlI
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup You miss the point then laugh it off. Not a great way to dig yourself out..
Schmitt's visor was heavily side-shaded, you can see that plainly in the unedited clip when he jogs up to the tv cam' ..and its obvious to all but the truth-blind that no way would he be able see sideways, even if his head wasnt jammed well back from the front of the visor inside the secondary pressure helmet... which it was.
My vid' stands tall on its own merit, your objections are insubstantial.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark No I don't miss any point. You said the visor was down, I showed it wasn't. You lose.
/watch?v=khQ8kDi_YlI
No run along now unless you have anything tangible to add.
The side visors proved there was peripheral vison, you thought they were down, cried triumph, then crapped out. And I can laugh all I want at you shooting yourself in the foot.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Nothing's changed from the original annotations on the video. Check it out, I noted "vision extends to 180 degs at the absolute max", and that's regardless of side shades or not.
If you want to believe peripheral vision would have allowed Schmitt to see down and back through his bulked-out right shoulder to the ground behind the big satchel and his trailing right leg, that's entirely your grip-on-reality problem
I'm cool, the original vid' stands tall on its own merits.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark No silly. He has forward momentum, the rock bag falls forward as it comes out. You can even see it falling close to his feet a split second after.
Movement to the peripheral vision is more acute, as I said, he caught a glimpse of something and stopped to check. Simple.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Any sensible person seeing Schmitt side-on in the clip with all that exterior gubbins over pressurised bulk.. and seeing in Houston pre-flight training images just how well far back the a'nots heads were situated from the front visor assembly... will easily see who the silly one is here.
You're welcome to your wishful thinking - I have faith in the majority of impartial YT viewers' good grasp of common sense & observational skills, I'm cool to let them be the judge.
Ciao
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark He is NOT looking side on, he is clearly looking down and to his right. Is this a form of HB blindness?
I've summarised it in a video. You don't know how stupid you are starting to look do you?
watch?v=G7g5jBnAeVc
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Stupidity here, I suggest, belongs in the mind of the desperado who clings to the drowning man hope that Schmitt wouldn't have turned immediately if he'd noticed something fall on the ground beside him.
Another bag had dropped previously in the EVA, so Schmitt would have stopped his run and turned the moment he'd noticed something fallen.
The fact he carried on without hesitating or turning before suddenly jolting to a halt after 3 secs means he was told of the drop. .
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark I've splattered every one of your arguments, now it's the 3 second shite again. It is under 3 seconds anyway, but so what? I gave a perfectly acceptable explanation. He caught a fleeting glimpse of it falling (I proved it was more than possible for him to see it!), then turned just to make sure.
Anyway, that bag. For it to fall at Earth gravity it needs speeding up -.square root of 9.8/1.62 = 245%.
watch?v=b0f9_WwWCng
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup You fail on both counts of asserting a) Jack would be able to see the ground behind and below him at his feet through the pressurised suit plus PLSS & satchel gubbins and b) that he wouldn't have pulled up the moment he noticed something, given a bag had previously dropped. A long way from debunking anything 'fraid - guess you've failed in your little abusive troll mission.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark "..pulled up the moment he noticed something," Schmitt DID "pull up the moment he noticed something": The bag hits the ground in second 0:32, and Schmitt begins his turn in second 0:33. Since they were on the Moon - where weight is reduced by 5/6, while inertia remains the same as it is on Earth, it is impossible to "turn on a dime" the way one does on Earth, and one finds oneself on one's face if one tries. It is necessary to take a few steps to slow down.
occhamite 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Apollo 11 EVA transcript: Aldrin @ 04 14 13 32 MET : “Okay. You have to be rather careful to keep track of where your center of mass is. Sometimes, it takes about two or three paces to make sure you’ve got your feet underneath you.”
04 14 14 05 MET: “About two to three or maybe four easy paces can bring you to a nearly smooth stop….”
occhamite 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark It's really TOO funny. As is so often the case, the ct posts evidence for his claims which in fact supports for the other side!
occhamite 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark When sped up there isn't even enough time for somebody to notice, advise him and for him to turn. Now shove off and bother somebody else with your stupidity.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup Don't recall mentioning "sped up" anywhere.
Shove off? Glad to, from a weird little zone where eyes are disconnected from brains.
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Listen, perhaps you are too dense to understand. Do you think they are moving normally then??? If you speed it up to make it as per Earth gravity, it looks ridiculous.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@TrueGroup You;re getting at ass-uming the bag doesn't drop at earth gravity rate? I don't assume anything.. that would seem to be the difference between us,
michaelstmark 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Yep, an idiot. So now the astronauts are moving normally now are they? I really couldn't give a fart what you think the drop speed of the bag is, it's clearly too slow for Earth, and if you say otherwise you are delusional.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@michaelstmark Even at Lunar speed. Go on, pretend to be the person 'secretly' telling him he dropped it. You have barely got enough time to react, relay this to him and for him to turn AT LUNAR SPEED! Speed it up and your theory goes down the crapper.
Ciao.
TrueGroup 3 weeks ago
@truegroup do you have link or video name of the original source?
Changis158711 3 months ago
@Changis158711 watch?v=MhMtamec8Rk - so convinced is this arsehole that he disallows comments on his video.
TrueGroup 3 months ago
@TrueGroup no, of the original Nasa video :P i saw his video first. i just want to check against the publicly available movies from nasa
Changis158711 3 months ago
@Changis158711 167:27:12 station 8 - the clip they show is pretty crap on the ALSJ
TrueGroup 3 months ago
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HOW DID THAT MODULE HIT THE MOONS SURFACE & NOT DISTURB THE GROUND UNDER IT WHILE LANDING.?
HOW WAS THE ASTRONAULT SEEN IN THE SHADOWS, WHILE EVERY THING ELSE WAS DARKER?
YOU CAN'T SHIELD RADIATION WITHOUT LEAD & THE WHOLE CRAFT HAD NONE.!
Acting smart is harder than being smart.
YOU CAN'T ANSWER THESE WITHOUT LYING!
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE GOVERNMENTS LIES PEOPLE.
All you done here was give more excuses for their incompetence & a need to fool people again.
Snowman374th 4 months ago
This is also an example of hoax nuts not being very smart and not knowing things they should know if they are going to accuse so many people of fraud.
The helmet does not turn all the way with the head. There is a lot of head mobility inside the helmet. At that moment, he could have been looking quite some distance to the right of the direction the helmet is pointed.
Now let's see some hoax nut say, "Yeah, but..." followed by some ridiculous argument that only makes them look even more stupid.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
Here's another example of one of those hoax claims where they don't even consider the consequences of their own assumptions. This wouldn't make sense even if the missions *were* hoaxed. If it was impossible for him to see it on the moon, it would be just as impossible for him to see it if this was being faked on the earth.
One of my favorites is Jarrah's big discovery that a logo on a Mars rover at NASA and on Mars were different. Well, why might they be different if the whole thing was faked?
Astrobrant2 1 year ago