Stef - as always I appreciate your logic and command on the language to get your point across. However, in this case, I agree with the caller. I'd say the plague is going to run its course. Hopefully, when it passes through the US at full speed, I will be out of its path.
Informed political action, standing for something against State abuse, getting involved..what's wrong with that?..Ostricisation..is sticking your head in the sand in this context... Ron Paul 2012(and whoever ELSE wants to stand and fight for freedom.)
The power of the state relies solely on the ignorance of the people they govern. A well educated, well armed (although you may stand against violence, in the absence of the ability of self-defense, the few with weapons will extort the many without) populace is the only way in which government power can be restrained. The sole problem with this method is the initial education of the masses.
Chimps kill for fun. Cats kill for fun. I've seen those little psychopaths torture a lizzard for half an hour. Like playing with a little toy. Chimps and apes roam together in bands and look for other groups to kill.
I should say, "...un-conscious human behavior, in an alienated statist society." Furthermore, it is an error to confuse the organized warfare of states, in which conflict is based on ideology (patriotism) or the territorial supremacy of a ruling class, with the violence of animals, which confronts a biological need or threat. The lazy assumption that humans are basically violent is a pernicious social Darwinist misapprehension of human nature, masquerading today as "evolutionary psychology".
As to the argument over human nature: yes, some animals do appear to kill for reasons other than eating and defense, though they do not reflect on that instinctive behavior as "pleasure". However, it is a mistake, made by Konrad Lorenz and other social Darwinists, to reduce the behavior of humans in society to base instinct, as if thousands of years of history (religion, nationalism, and further developments) had not occurred. It is these customs which form the basis of conscious human behavior.
Social ostracism is the same solution that William Godwin fell back on. Later anarchists, notably individualists, would be unsatisfied with this conclusion. Spanish anarchist educator Francisco Ferrer also cautioned that it would take generations to dismantle the State. Stefan is obviously well-read and his analysis is well thought out. We want results now, which leads to ends-justify-means thinking, like Lenin's contradiction of Marx which led to totalitarianism. Let's not repeat mistakes!
fyi, it was Mary Wollstonecraft who wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792). She was married to anarchist philosopher William Godwin who wrote An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice (1793) (though both objected to the institution of marriage). They were the parents of Mary Shelley, who was the author of Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus (1818). She married the great Romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley, author of The Masque of Anarchy (1819). Read these works!
there is no such, thing as altuism. if there is no materialistic gain, there is a social gain, or in the decision process, what is right is considered, and what is right is what is deemed correct by society.
a century's time of the early 1900's not the speed that things move today...so, we could have our statelessness if we wanted it, right now. They can't make all of the US subservient. This caller talks as if someone will knock on his door. This is typical fear pattern of US citizens. It's a complete block from seeing the solution.
Excellent exchange. Stef allowed the caller to express his ideas - - asked from where he was coming from (in terms of world view on this subject), and then Stef admitted that he didnt know who was right. in the end because we don't have enough information and cannot predict the future. I tend to agree more with the caller in regards to a break down of society during an economic collapse. Hungry people do desperate things & the despot-predators in govt take advantage of the crisis they create.
I'm not sure that you really addressed the question.
What steps should be taken to prevent a group of power hungry like minded individuals forming a gang, mob, protection racket, etc. inside of a stateless society? I am implying strength in numbers and superior numbers would be needed for prevention, implying a state of some sort. I realize that I am making certain assumptions like ostracizing is not effective against psychopaths and good parenting can not address all causes for such behavior.
The Fed is a scam, this supposed Republic is a scam, WTC was a scam, Iraq was a scam, George W. Bush was a scam, Barack Obama IS a scam, war on terror (read war on freedom) is a scam. Japan being a sovereign state is a scam, the educational system in this country designed for the masses is a scam ....as far as I can tell the only thing that's real is this: Reporting live deep within enemy territory in the Zionist Occupied Government of the United States of Israel. THAT'S REAL.
@rogect8 The analysis Peter did was not for the upper ranks of income earners, but the middle ranks, middle class professionals. He assumed two working adults today bringing in a total of $250,000. a year for the household, then did the taxes for them. He assumed a single working adult making the same in purchasing parity (close to $25,000 in yesteryear's dollars) back in the 50s. Technically that 'should' have put the 50s fellow into a higher bracket, so it is even more damning for today's tax.
@rogect8 The tax burden from 50 years ago was very similar to what it is now actually, when you factor in all sources. Peter Schiff did an analysis of just that recently. It is more the total abandonment of the gold standard in 1971 resulting in vastly more inflation (much of it hidden) that has eroded purchasing power while transferring wealth to an investor 'class'. That is why it takes two working adults to support a family today that one could, fifty years ago.
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Stefan's apologetic argument towards non-revolution speaks to someone who has much to lose. No one who has never had shit in their life and who refused to play by the systems rules and suffered because of it is going to share Stefan's sentiment.
@demerc You are probably right, but violent revolution won't bring about a peaceful society where we can all work and provide value to receive value, it would only bring fear, destruction, death, and a new government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
@demerc My mistake, I assumed that you ment a violent revolution as that is what I seem to most encounter here on youtube. I guess that I shouldn't jump to the negative here on the stefbot channel. After all how can anyone be a fan of Stef and not seek peace and voluntarism through moral arguement.... D'oh!
Peaceful parenting is great but the professional lying class appear to be made up of psychopaths – perhaps this is an evolutionary quirk but these personalities have zero empathy for others – perhaps in another 5 millions years this type of personality will be changed by peaceful parenting?
One thing I disagree with you on Stef, is the fact that as womans rights have increased so have childrens, I think this did happen, but then the scales tipped, woman become selfish, and self centred, and are leaving their children behind. Now if anyone posts a comment that it is not all women, you are right, but not getting the point, children are being left behind, by men and women, who have become exceptionally self centred, children are left to their own, wondering streets, and tv, video
@CanadianPatriot1973 the family is being minimized in importance, and the children are being left behind, I see it constantly, makes me very very sad.
@CanadianPatriot1973 Sadly true. There are two possible reasons for this behavior from women.
#1 is what you're saying, that they really are selfish and "career-driven" and will have children and let the State and complete strangers raise them while they go waste time making "money" that will be worthless soon anyway.
#2 is that women feel forced to work because due to the mass debt and inflation allowed by the State, their husbands cannot financially provide for the family alone anymore.
I agree with him being entirely full of crap this is all the fault of predatory moneyed elite Sure this dumbass wants to get rid people that are suppose to protect us so the rich can rule over us those pesky politicians are wanting to much in a percentage of the profits I guess How can anyone comment, study or make a video on this subject without knowing about the bilderberg group and think they would not have power over us in the vacuum of no state DONT FORGET BUY GOLD AND SILVER God help us
@YafatFuqa Groups of powerful people can only force there will upon the masses through governments. Only because governments are seen as good, do the masses accept arbitrary rules, theft, and violence used against them for *cough* there own good *cough*. If governments didn't exist to legitimize force & violence, then ALL forms of force & violence (wars, theft through taxation, etc) would be seen as evil, and shunned by society.
@ArgosSmith2009 Well what about the Mafia or Triad or any such org that will take its place try shunning some fucker when he's got gun to your head asswipe
@YafatFuqa Government works because its violence is hidden. People don't understand that they are stolen from when the FED prints money. People can rationalize following arbitrary laws of politicians, because its "For the Greater Good". If open violence is used against people, they will get mad and will be violent back. A pirate fleet is a failed navy, a Mafia is a failed government, people are controlled primarily by social morality not violence. And don't call me an asswipe you ignorant cunt.
@ArgosSmith2009 A-S-S-W-I-P-E I have had hard day helping some handicapped people cause no one is!!!! Try doing something to help A-S-S-W-I-P-E I will get back to your flawed logic at a later date...
@YafatFuqa So many people today are afraid of the Power of Corporations when, without the government, the only power corporations have is to entice people to buy there products/services and to offer low paying jobs.... As far as protection, I'd much rather get together with my community to pay a few security guards to directly protect us and our property, than to be stolen from to have a police service forced upon me so that they can make sure that I'm driving within 5mph of an arbitrary limit.
@ArgosSmith2009 So you dont think the corps wont buy themselves a army to make you pay for roads so they can force you to buy there goods I suppose other people wont get the same idea and pay some security guards to make you drive within 5mph of an arbitrary limit.
@YafatFuqa Well corporations make there money by creating useful products that people want to buy. Successful businesses can usually make 5% in profits. They could probably afford a small special-ops team, but armies are ridiculously expensive, the Halliburton's of the world can only make a profit off of war because they don't have to pay for the protection of the US Army, that burden is laid on tax-paying Americans.
@YafatFuqa . . . For One if I heard that a certain corporation was in fact building an army or special-ops team, then I would just stop buying from them, as I'm sure many others would also. Secondly if there wasn't a government to organize nation defense, then local militias made up of common folk just wanting to protect there community will come back into favor, heck militias are just about illegal today but there are still multiple militia groups in every state.
@rogect8 Because 99.999999% of human beings are inherently evil from birth because of their dna, biology, and nature. Peaceful parenting children will do nothing whatsoever. Its the genes.
I wonder what stef would say about leftist folk who preach something similar to peaceful parenting but are still all about using violence against people who don't want to fund their social programs because anyone who doesn't want government healthcare automatically wants the poor to starve in the streets while being raped.
"I don't really care about the Bilderberg group, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Bohemian Grove, or any of those things, because those are all symptoms. Those people don't have any power unless the majority of people believe the state is moral and necessary and it is the belief of my fellow slaves that I wish to challenge, not the power that results from it."
@anon3560 ROFL - you're dumb as a bag of hammers of think even Kurzweil actually believes those fairy tales. It's a safe bet Stefbot understands it's all BS.
doesnt matter what sort of govt u use or what ever concept a society will follow ruled by men will always fail, humans dont have the ability to lead themselves as an individual let alone to take the lead for his fellow man.
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@ChipArgyle You can't, because schools as they exist today are places where children are Forced to go against there will (usually) so that they can be crammed together with other children who also don't want to be there, and then they are all told that they must be nice to each other and act like friends to there fellow prisonXXx.....I mean students. . . . . Ostracism is just freedom of association. If you don't like someone, you don't have to be around them. . . .
@ChipArgyle . . . A business doesn't have to hire someone who doesn't benefit the business, and they can and should fire people who are a drain on the business resources. If you have a group of friends who are talking in a circle, and some guy pushes to the center of the circle and starts screaming, the group can certainly socially shun him. If 1 family in a town of 100 families is disliked, then social & economic ostracism is preferable to violent removal to get them to move away.
@ArgosSmith2009 Absolutely. I'm not against the concept. My question is how do you teach it to children ( teach outside of the home that is) in our politically correct society where schools that have a zero tolerance on bullying would have difficulty with it. Schools teach a lot of coping mechanisms for bullying, but ostracism isn't one of them as social banishment is considered a form of bullying.
@ChipArgyle Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I never got a message in my inbox that you had replied, odd. Ummmmm, that's a good question, and I would say that you should explain ostracism, but that there isn't much to teach [You don't have to talk to or be around people you don't like]. I would think that it is more important to teach assertiveness. Assertiveness should come before Ostracism, such as if someone makes a racist remark then tell them that that bigotry is unacceptable and why.
I agree with you. Better to teach kids to stand up for what is right and take corrective stances at a peer level. If that doesn't change the mind of the person behaving badly, especially if more than one person takes such action, then they can always walk away.
the thing Stef is missing is the "next iteration" of the state.
with the advent of automating mechanisms, the state will be able to initiate controls on liberties that will be nightmarish to anyone in the past, if having lived free and unbounded by a federal bureaucracy. the last iteration gave us globalized trade (read: wage-arbitrage, between poor, developing countries and high-cost, high-wage developed countries). the next...will be a continued subsuming of private liberties.
i say the problem is not the "state" as much as it is the 50% of the pop. that desires its existence, continuation and growth. there are many, many...millions that would like to see reason and responsibility (and adhere to Stef's ideas of working with the existence of the system) ...but the other millions (50% of the pop.) will ALWAYS vote for the continuance of the criminal class (a large, monolithic federal bureaucracy)!
it is just another form of religion. this is a concept not understood.
@anon3560 see also Renee Thom's "Catastrophe Theory." As for, "but these things can be easily overcome given enough time and information" ROFL. Either you're joking or you're outstandingly dumb.
also that in order to implement some of the political and social estructures capable of holding together this socialist/comunnist/neo-capitalist country was a MILITARY goverment in the `70, that not only torture and killed over 30.000 people in concentration camps also lead us to a war with england. 3/3
at the moment they are advertising the ¨argentinian¨ solution for greece and spain and so on.... well they forgot to mention that our country is still heading to a big economic and social collapse, the only thing keeping us still in the map is because we export %90 of our food at an exchange rate of 1/4.15 with the american dollar while the food is getting ridiculously expensive, 2/3
I am argentinian, when you mention the argentina from 1990 untill now....well, we did had riots, we did had people dieing in the streets, we did had to go back to printing our money back by nothing and barter, food and access to a hospital was not warranty, the only reason why we manage to stop all that is.: socialism, printing a lot of money with 30% inflation yearly, all the people that cause the problem is free and the everyday working is worse every day. 1/2
USA is one big concentration camp with a big yellow M instead of “Arbeit machts frei" and a smiling camp guard dressed as clown. The holocaust takes place via pharmaceuticals, while concurrent medical ways are prohibited (cannabis, intravenous vitamin c, etc. ), profound unhealthy food (sugar, corn syrup, wrong fats in dairy products, fat reduced products, etc.), lethal & legal recreational drugs (tobacco & alcohol), while cannabis, one of the big 3 is remarkable none poisonous and prohibited.
Stefan, I think we need some kind of main stream movie to teach these ideas. Consider this, the new 2011 Planet of the Apes is coming out, I've only seen commercials, but in it there is a lab animal given some mental potency treatment. What is the first thing this new being does? It forms an army to use force. Who does the movie program? Our next generation. What if a movie taught non-violent ideas that teach against the state paradigm? You should start writing a movie. (Please. thanks.)
Molyneux, you are vying for the New Libertarian Man.
Re child rearing, I have no idea of how that'll save the world -to give an example, Lloyd DeMause is someone very preoccupied with the effects of child rearing in social systems, yet he is pretty much a social-democrat, as are many people who have been raised by very peaceful, "hippy" (I don't mean that as derision) kind of parents, and who do and will continue to support social democracy.
OH MAN!!! I just checked this guy out the first time 3 vids ago. but starting with the comment at 4.32. MAN. Oh man. I love this guy. I have discovered a philosophical brother in this man. I MUST SEEK HIM OUT AND REQUEST FROM HIM A READING LIST
@stefbot Absolutely, will do. I can't remember the last time I had the 'internet' attention span to watch a speaker for over an hour and a half. (can't remember which video it was. I believe: how to have a political debate. or something of that sort.) I am much overdue for some sleep. Been all too excited, watching the ron paul money bomb ticker climb at a rate of about $305/min (and that's before the productive supporters, who work for a living, wake up at a sane hour.)
A simple breakdown for you (which might not be new): Corporations/Statism is granted power and energy from people; These people spend their time watching shows/films about "superheroes" or "lone wolves", who fight "evil", which causes an order/chaos mentality in them, formenting distrust between the very people that view corporations/statism as the enemy, but grant their power and energy, working 9-5 to destroy the lives of others because it's a method to turn EVERYONE into "Emmanuel Goldstein".
It's bit naive to think that the collapse of the U.S. economy will be like that of Argentina or South America. America's situation is drastically different and the consequences that will follow are not comparable. You might say it's like comparing apples to oranges, but it's more like comparing apples to chimpanzees. When America falls it's going to take the world into wwIII.
Oh my, did I need to hear this video today. So uplifting, even in these dark days. As always, thank you Stef. We can do this people, WE CAN DO THIS! :)
I actually agree with the caller that the worst is yet to come. I'd buy some food, ammo, home protection, metals, and plenty of TP because shit will hit the fan! But we should still offer peaceful solutions and raise peaceful children as Stefan argues.
Fortunately, it IS illegal to yell, "FIRE!" in the theater when there is no fire, but...those screams in the distance may well not be so unfounded.
There is a fine line between paranoia and a state of heightened alertness, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a conspiracy is in fact, a conspiracy. To ignore it, doesn't make it any less dangerous.
It is recommended that we yell, "FIRE!", when there is actually a fire.
PS: Fighting against the state is like fighting dust - it's not something you do once and it all just goes away, it's something you do every day, as unfortunate as it may sound. And as long as we have a mix of humble men and charlatans on this planet (I am not worried with supply personally) it will remain a never lasting battle, just like dust... I.e. even if we convince 6 billion people today and we get rid of the state, people will need to start it all over again in 100 years from now...
@marcabela That is true if after defeating the state, you are left with a minarchist government with an inadequate constitution (some would argue that no constitution could work). But if you 'eliminate' the state entirely, leave no such overarching organization with a monopoly upon the legal use of force, then there is nothing to grow. It then becomes not a revolution in another 100 years, but a slow cautious vigilance that no such incipient group of mobsters be allowed to form.
See, I'm not too sure anymore. To say it like it is, I woke up recently to the fact that most of the people around me (friends, even family, etc) were clearly willing to lie to themselves all the way to the grave. In ways that I never really imagined possible. I started analyzing all of them. And suddenly it all made total sense. Religions, slavery, kings, Stalin, Mao... I woke up to the fact that we are (at least our moral integrity is) a lot more "fragile" than we like to admit...
So even if you were to bring everything down to a "no-government" (and "no-union" and "no-regulation" and "no-violence" society), charlatans would probably still try to make their way - even if / especially if / undeserved - to the cutest girl, to the biggest fruit, to the largest house... we're alive just like plants and other animals are, and thus we have a "natural" tendency to try to bend towards where the light is greater, and to dig towards where the minerals are tastier...
@marcabela Certainly human beings have all manner of faults and weaknesses. That is not an argument in favor of creating a legal mechanism for the worst among us to rule the rest. Rather we need to create a society wherein violence, force and fraud are illegal in all it's forms, both the common criminal kind 'and' the state kind. Just how to do this, Stefan goes into great detail in Practical Anarchy, as being just one of many possible ways of doing it.
See, as weirdly as it may seem, charlatanism has been around for... so many years... decades, centuries, and more... I doubt it will leave us tomorrow, however well we work out...
Also, "Austrian economics" ends up (weirdly enough) not always being completely "intuitive", i.e. you need to go through a bit of "training" (?) to learn to visualize all the "unseen", instead of focusing on all the "seen"... So as long as people lack the education (imagination) to focus on the "unseen"...
Today the events in Greece and in Spain point the way to real direct democracy. Because direct democracy and representative democracy are mutually exclusive, with the implementation of direct democracy, the representatives, taxation and the whole machinery of state goes away.
Then the state disappears
This is a possibility now. see realdirectdemocracynow.blogspot.com.
The caller appears to be a bit paranoid and buying into conspiracy theory nonsense. Stef is being diplomatic, but the look on his face as soon as the word "Bilderberg" was mentioned was priceless.
@johnycannuk I honestly think people buy into conspiracy theories because it satisfies a deep seated need in them to believe that 'someone' is in control (and if they could just get 'nice' people in control, everything would be better). The reality, that no one is really in control, "spaceship earth has no pilot", is quite frightening to them. You have to wonder though about conspiracy theorists, because they also tend to believe that 'those people' are absolutely, malevolently evil.
@Panpiper I agree. I also think its part of the whole "I'm not to blame for my current predicament" attitude some people have - they love to be perpetual victims rather than take some responsibility.
Not that powerful people aren't doing nasty things to stay in power, its just they aren't the all powerful demons they are made out to be. And can be defeated simply by not cooperating with the system...
As individuals, and groups, we should shun the State. We should give them little of every thing, and live humbly and forget living on the future, but more in the present. Consider whether you really NEED it.
And for the love of your children, get together and share household costs including rent/mortgage by forming family couples (2 young couples 2 - 3 kids). Pay it off quick and do it again.
@doesthismakeanysense that's a slippery slope. pessimism/realism optimism/delusion. that's the kind of dismissive attitude hope drunk libs/conserv. display when you explain to them the nature of our political system and society and that we can work things out through the electoral process and your just a defeatist and a pessimist when you explain the futility of doing so.
@doesthismakeanysense you are correct, truth and/or reality is relative to one's perspective. so if we can take off our blinders and have an open mind we may all gain a broader view of things.
Suppose all goes well with the peaceful parenting. There will always be those broken few who can continue to use the existing system to control the masses. The power thirsty elitists in charge now will ensure their kids are *not* benefiting from peaceful parenting; they will be raised as monsters like their parents. Stefan, as it is clear a small minority can rule the masses, how do we deal with this fact that peaceful parenting cannot touch 100% of the next generations?
Stefan, what are your thoughts (if any) on the role of *passion, awe and wonder* (and subsequent drives of intrigue, curiosity and imagination) with regards to how we view ALL things in life including things like the corporate media, the state, propaganda, the power of consensus, the phenomenon of the charade of politics/ voting, willingness to go to war etc?
IMHO the state is reliant on (and a product of) a public who have catastrophically lost all sense of wonder at the world...
Would you agree that even force/ violence are ultimately a product of BOREDOM at the most fundamental (energetic/ consciousness) level?
A boredom due to being 'deactivated' (thanks to upbringing) from seeing/ feeling the true and vast mystery and magic of the world around us (and absolutely including *ourselves* as a part of that mystery)
I'm NOT talking about appreciating the 'loveliness of the world', I'm talking about *depth* of perception/ consciousness (ie beyond judgements)
I am not saying that i am smarter then everyone but with the technology we have today i have an idea. Way don't we dilute the power of the state. We have corruption because people can be bribed, but if all the citizens can vote on everything. To make it like a facebook-youtube program where the politicians are just moderators but they have just a vote like every one in the country. why is that not going to fix the state?
@aliienslayer1 "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
I am not saying a democracy such as you suggest would be worse, I would rather have a proportional representative democracy than a regional one for instance, but the problem is that it is still democracy. People will always vote themselves largess from the public trough at the expense of the future. Add to that that most people are truly clueless with economics, and... that won't fix it.
@Panpiper That is a great idea! we discuss many issues on YT as it is. If, the decision-making were a requirement by the individual, then it wouldn't be so easy to blame some shadowy group of "never even knew they existed" type people.
I would definitely support secession. And I would definitely support state constituencies making decisions which effect that state and its' constituents.
Revolution of not revolution, the outcome will be the same.
@Panpiper I know that you are right but that is what i am afraid of a stateless community, if now they are so clueless when they are on there one, only the good ones are going to survive and the clueless are going extinct like in nature.
I do not want that. Stupid people are going to lose money god people are going to help the stupid people and the wieners are going to be Egoistic people and that is going to be the hole population in 10-15 generation.
@aliienslayer1 Even the clueless are capable of getting a job packing groceries or whatever. They can find a cheap apartment and feed themselves. There is enough economic incentive for companies to make essential services easy to understand, even for the clueless. Those companies that succeed in that will out compete those who do not. For the extreme minority that are so mentally or otherwise handicapped as to be homeless, charities would flourish in a wealthy society.
Why would people have the incentive to have charities? We can have 2 kinds of people,
people how want to help and
people how do not .
If they are as good at making money the people that want to help have a disadvantage, right?
2 people that make 10 $, one give 1$ for charity he only has 9$ to invest the other has 10$ so on a free market it is smarter not to give for charity. The change will not start immediate but in some generation people how are good are going to be extinct.
@aliienslayer1 Why do people have incentives to give to charity now? (Especially when most of us figure the government will take care of it so why bother?) Do you think that in a non-violent, affluent society, people will be less good? If so, you've got some seriously skewed logic.
I am not saying that today is good. but i am saying that i do not want to live in a world that dos not give all the people health care, free education and help people with no job.
And in my opinion in a stateless community this is not going to happen.
First there is no non-violent community in nature (it can have less violence)
And to the part of no logic this is the logic of nature what works best wins. Am i wrong when i say that a man that doesn't give to charity is wining in a Free Market?
@aliienslayer1 A stateless society would have very inexpensive health care and educational options, vastly more accessible than in today's society. Jobs would be plentiful.The very few who for mental or physical disability reasons could 'not' afford the cheap services, would have charities able to serve them.
Human beings are more than savage animals and can rise above the initiation of violence in our society.
Some might not give to charity, most would. Decent people have more friends.
You say that today we do not have a free market if it was a free market everything would be fine. Maybe it is not perfect but it is close. And what do we see ?
People how are egoist, win.
They bribe the state to take from the poor.
In a place where there is no state they do not need to give bribes they can simply steel.
@aliienslayer1 What we have right now is not 'close' to a free market. It is nowhere near close. As for a state that works, we've been trying for thousands of years and failing miserably every time. A world without the state is not a world without legal protections against theft, but those protections would be voluntary, not coercive. Read Stefan's 'Practical Anarchy'.
I've been in business for 25 years either as a business manager or an entrepreneur. You do not succeed in business by being a stingy asshole. You succeed by offering a really good service for the price, that people value, and by being the sort of person that people want to do business with. Anyone who does not conduct their business that way, gets put out of business by those who do. I speak from personal experience.
Yes you are right but this is the norm today. In a society that has to obey the lows a person that dose not obey the lows (State lows, moral lows) is ostracized. I'm not saying that in a free market you can be an asshole because everybody is one. But when you do not have state lows of conduct you only have moral lows of conduct. And moral lows can change easy. When a state low in put in action it is more scrutinized (in theory) then when a moral low is imposed do to popular acceptance.
@aliienslayer1 You are talking about a hypothetical that would never occur. But if the state were to disappear, poof, just like that, so too would minimum wage laws, etc.. The vast majority of those people would be able to find work very quickly. It might not be work they 'like', that would come later, but it would be enough. The rest, yes, I expect others would take care of them.
The state is in trouble already though... When the money is worthless they can't pay for soldiers or bureaucrats. At that point it will be up to us to not just do the same thing again.
Well, today in Romania(eastern Europe) the parenting is not very different as in the beginning of the 20th century in Germany. There is a saying like "the beatings are born from heaven". And the result is that from a 21 million population only 20,000 are atheist of agnostics, people vastly hate others who are not like them and the allot of the youth want a Nazi regime to kill all gypsies.
I guess Stefbot has never read "Black Swan" Nassim Nicholas Taleb. I think Stefbot is making a variety of logical errors here but I can't go into them in a Tube comment.
A thought experiment: use the Transhumanists' tech against them... check out the 1984 film ``Runaway'' as a for instance.
Me, if I had gunships in high orbit then there would be some changes around here...
@kalliste23 - Sorry, stef, but not wanting others to control you is NOT wanting to exert power over them. It's just wanting to be left alone. I normally agree with stef a lot, but like the commentator below me, feel he made several logical errors in this video.
@ShoveTyranny indeed. It wouldn't be difficult to parlay Stefbot's (il)logic there into an assertion that you have no right to self defence... oh, wait...
@johnycannuk see also ShoveTryranny and I's exchange - Stefbot is begging the question when he says wanting to have people leave you alone is to seek power of them.
After giving one third to the government and another third to previous landowners for the right to be here, sadly few have enough spare left to pay proper attention to the second job of bringing up their children.
"the tree" is like most things in this world, good and evil, I'm wary of uprooting the whole thing...if your premise is that men are inherently good then you'll be ok...if not your pooched.
chimps wage war. Cats kill for fun all the time. Attempting to link our intelligence with uniquely bad behaviour just doesn't work. All the violence and "uncivlised" behaviour we exhibit occurs in nature 10X as often and often 10X more horrificlly and brutal
Intelligence is what allows empathy and empathy is what makes ignorant people hate and dispise the human race for the horrible things it has in common with animals
I love animals, they are great, but even the kindest are less moral then us
@blapgat A recent finding on the ant species of Messor minor, Messor wasmanni and Messor capitatus shows a far greater cooperation than expected. They even hybritize...
Stef - as always I appreciate your logic and command on the language to get your point across. However, in this case, I agree with the caller. I'd say the plague is going to run its course. Hopefully, when it passes through the US at full speed, I will be out of its path.
magichandpuppet 4 days ago
Gosh, Stef...you're like a multivitamin for the brain. Thanks always!
JennJenification 2 weeks ago
Informed political action, standing for something against State abuse, getting involved..what's wrong with that?..Ostricisation..is sticking your head in the sand in this context... Ron Paul 2012(and whoever ELSE wants to stand and fight for freedom.)
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The power of the state relies solely on the ignorance of the people they govern. A well educated, well armed (although you may stand against violence, in the absence of the ability of self-defense, the few with weapons will extort the many without) populace is the only way in which government power can be restrained. The sole problem with this method is the initial education of the masses.
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ReachDeep1 1 month ago
@DavidGHayes91 you're welcome, thank you for letting me know, and best of luck with your studies my friend!
stefbot 2 months ago
Chimps kill for fun. Cats kill for fun. I've seen those little psychopaths torture a lizzard for half an hour. Like playing with a little toy. Chimps and apes roam together in bands and look for other groups to kill.
tekproxy 2 months ago
I should say, "...un-conscious human behavior, in an alienated statist society." Furthermore, it is an error to confuse the organized warfare of states, in which conflict is based on ideology (patriotism) or the territorial supremacy of a ruling class, with the violence of animals, which confronts a biological need or threat. The lazy assumption that humans are basically violent is a pernicious social Darwinist misapprehension of human nature, masquerading today as "evolutionary psychology".
Iatrarchy 2 months ago
As to the argument over human nature: yes, some animals do appear to kill for reasons other than eating and defense, though they do not reflect on that instinctive behavior as "pleasure". However, it is a mistake, made by Konrad Lorenz and other social Darwinists, to reduce the behavior of humans in society to base instinct, as if thousands of years of history (religion, nationalism, and further developments) had not occurred. It is these customs which form the basis of conscious human behavior.
Iatrarchy 2 months ago
Social ostracism is the same solution that William Godwin fell back on. Later anarchists, notably individualists, would be unsatisfied with this conclusion. Spanish anarchist educator Francisco Ferrer also cautioned that it would take generations to dismantle the State. Stefan is obviously well-read and his analysis is well thought out. We want results now, which leads to ends-justify-means thinking, like Lenin's contradiction of Marx which led to totalitarianism. Let's not repeat mistakes!
Iatrarchy 2 months ago
fyi, it was Mary Wollstonecraft who wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792). She was married to anarchist philosopher William Godwin who wrote An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice (1793) (though both objected to the institution of marriage). They were the parents of Mary Shelley, who was the author of Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus (1818). She married the great Romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley, author of The Masque of Anarchy (1819). Read these works!
Iatrarchy 2 months ago
@Iatrarchy thank you, you are quite right, I appreciate the correction
stefbot 2 months ago
The guy sounds Australian, but lives in the USA?
bushpigification 2 months ago
those days are not gone.
cgng37 3 months ago
someone claiming to be a republican just said that ron paul and his liberal ideas are going to ruin america lolol
USTreasuryBond 3 months ago
there is no such, thing as altuism. if there is no materialistic gain, there is a social gain, or in the decision process, what is right is considered, and what is right is what is deemed correct by society.
nbonasoro 3 months ago
I love how this guy is OBVIOUSLY from the US.
FUZZYisBIG 3 months ago
Plenty of animals besides humans (and ants) kill each other for reasons other than hunger. Dolphins and chimpanzees do this, just to name two.
ForMakeComment 5 months ago
That's the first time I heard Stefan quote Cole Porter....
dsgvishnu 5 months ago
a century's time of the early 1900's not the speed that things move today...so, we could have our statelessness if we wanted it, right now. They can't make all of the US subservient. This caller talks as if someone will knock on his door. This is typical fear pattern of US citizens. It's a complete block from seeing the solution.
DrQandtheGang 7 months ago
Excellent exchange. Stef allowed the caller to express his ideas - - asked from where he was coming from (in terms of world view on this subject), and then Stef admitted that he didnt know who was right. in the end because we don't have enough information and cannot predict the future. I tend to agree more with the caller in regards to a break down of society during an economic collapse. Hungry people do desperate things & the despot-predators in govt take advantage of the crisis they create.
rob46seattle 7 months ago
I'm not sure that you really addressed the question.
What steps should be taken to prevent a group of power hungry like minded individuals forming a gang, mob, protection racket, etc. inside of a stateless society? I am implying strength in numbers and superior numbers would be needed for prevention, implying a state of some sort. I realize that I am making certain assumptions like ostracizing is not effective against psychopaths and good parenting can not address all causes for such behavior.
1Archie11 7 months ago
Are you capable of saying something i DON'T agree with?
keep it on stefbot :)
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AtheistBelgium 7 months ago
The Fed is a scam, this supposed Republic is a scam, WTC was a scam, Iraq was a scam, George W. Bush was a scam, Barack Obama IS a scam, war on terror (read war on freedom) is a scam. Japan being a sovereign state is a scam, the educational system in this country designed for the masses is a scam ....as far as I can tell the only thing that's real is this: Reporting live deep within enemy territory in the Zionist Occupied Government of the United States of Israel. THAT'S REAL.
wisdomtrek 7 months ago
^_^
SomethingSea1 7 months ago
Stefan Molyneux is a great human being. He opens your mind and gets you thinking about things that the Mainstream will go nowhere near. Bravo.
milpool21 7 months ago
@rogect8 The analysis Peter did was not for the upper ranks of income earners, but the middle ranks, middle class professionals. He assumed two working adults today bringing in a total of $250,000. a year for the household, then did the taxes for them. He assumed a single working adult making the same in purchasing parity (close to $25,000 in yesteryear's dollars) back in the 50s. Technically that 'should' have put the 50s fellow into a higher bracket, so it is even more damning for today's tax.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper D'oh! Link...
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Panpiper 7 months ago
@rogect8 The tax burden from 50 years ago was very similar to what it is now actually, when you factor in all sources. Peter Schiff did an analysis of just that recently. It is more the total abandonment of the gold standard in 1971 resulting in vastly more inflation (much of it hidden) that has eroded purchasing power while transferring wealth to an investor 'class'. That is why it takes two working adults to support a family today that one could, fifty years ago.
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 7 months ago
Intelligent and great speaker, +1.
RockTheOcean4me 7 months ago
@DakotaWRS3 You made some claims, got any evidence?
Ignoring parents could be good because by allowing more time for other more loving people and mentors to be involved in a child's life.
optionism 7 months ago
Stefan's apologetic argument towards non-revolution speaks to someone who has much to lose. No one who has never had shit in their life and who refused to play by the systems rules and suffered because of it is going to share Stefan's sentiment.
demerc 7 months ago
@demerc You are probably right, but violent revolution won't bring about a peaceful society where we can all work and provide value to receive value, it would only bring fear, destruction, death, and a new government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 Who said anything about violence? The Arab Spring was for the most part peaceful. We can revolt peacefully as well.
demerc 7 months ago
@demerc My mistake, I assumed that you ment a violent revolution as that is what I seem to most encounter here on youtube. I guess that I shouldn't jump to the negative here on the stefbot channel. After all how can anyone be a fan of Stef and not seek peace and voluntarism through moral arguement.... D'oh!
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
Peaceful parenting is great but the professional lying class appear to be made up of psychopaths – perhaps this is an evolutionary quirk but these personalities have zero empathy for others – perhaps in another 5 millions years this type of personality will be changed by peaceful parenting?
ehpl 7 months ago
One thing I disagree with you on Stef, is the fact that as womans rights have increased so have childrens, I think this did happen, but then the scales tipped, woman become selfish, and self centred, and are leaving their children behind. Now if anyone posts a comment that it is not all women, you are right, but not getting the point, children are being left behind, by men and women, who have become exceptionally self centred, children are left to their own, wondering streets, and tv, video
CanadianPatriot1973 7 months ago
@CanadianPatriot1973 the family is being minimized in importance, and the children are being left behind, I see it constantly, makes me very very sad.
CanadianPatriot1973 7 months ago
@CanadianPatriot1973 Sadly true. There are two possible reasons for this behavior from women.
#1 is what you're saying, that they really are selfish and "career-driven" and will have children and let the State and complete strangers raise them while they go waste time making "money" that will be worthless soon anyway.
#2 is that women feel forced to work because due to the mass debt and inflation allowed by the State, their husbands cannot financially provide for the family alone anymore.
TSMPimpDaddyPain 5 months ago
I agree with him being entirely full of crap this is all the fault of predatory moneyed elite Sure this dumbass wants to get rid people that are suppose to protect us so the rich can rule over us those pesky politicians are wanting to much in a percentage of the profits I guess How can anyone comment, study or make a video on this subject without knowing about the bilderberg group and think they would not have power over us in the vacuum of no state DONT FORGET BUY GOLD AND SILVER God help us
YafatFuqa 7 months ago
@YafatFuqa Groups of powerful people can only force there will upon the masses through governments. Only because governments are seen as good, do the masses accept arbitrary rules, theft, and violence used against them for *cough* there own good *cough*. If governments didn't exist to legitimize force & violence, then ALL forms of force & violence (wars, theft through taxation, etc) would be seen as evil, and shunned by society.
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 Well what about the Mafia or Triad or any such org that will take its place try shunning some fucker when he's got gun to your head asswipe
YafatFuqa 6 months ago
@YafatFuqa Government works because its violence is hidden. People don't understand that they are stolen from when the FED prints money. People can rationalize following arbitrary laws of politicians, because its "For the Greater Good". If open violence is used against people, they will get mad and will be violent back. A pirate fleet is a failed navy, a Mafia is a failed government, people are controlled primarily by social morality not violence. And don't call me an asswipe you ignorant cunt.
ArgosSmith2009 6 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 A-S-S-W-I-P-E I have had hard day helping some handicapped people cause no one is!!!! Try doing something to help A-S-S-W-I-P-E I will get back to your flawed logic at a later date...
A-S-S-W-I-P-E
YafatFuqa 5 months ago
@YafatFuqa So many people today are afraid of the Power of Corporations when, without the government, the only power corporations have is to entice people to buy there products/services and to offer low paying jobs.... As far as protection, I'd much rather get together with my community to pay a few security guards to directly protect us and our property, than to be stolen from to have a police service forced upon me so that they can make sure that I'm driving within 5mph of an arbitrary limit.
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 So you dont think the corps wont buy themselves a army to make you pay for roads so they can force you to buy there goods I suppose other people wont get the same idea and pay some security guards to make you drive within 5mph of an arbitrary limit.
YafatFuqa 6 months ago
@YafatFuqa Well corporations make there money by creating useful products that people want to buy. Successful businesses can usually make 5% in profits. They could probably afford a small special-ops team, but armies are ridiculously expensive, the Halliburton's of the world can only make a profit off of war because they don't have to pay for the protection of the US Army, that burden is laid on tax-paying Americans.
ArgosSmith2009 6 months ago
@YafatFuqa . . . For One if I heard that a certain corporation was in fact building an army or special-ops team, then I would just stop buying from them, as I'm sure many others would also. Secondly if there wasn't a government to organize nation defense, then local militias made up of common folk just wanting to protect there community will come back into favor, heck militias are just about illegal today but there are still multiple militia groups in every state.
ArgosSmith2009 6 months ago
@rogect8 Because 99.999999% of human beings are inherently evil from birth because of their dna, biology, and nature. Peaceful parenting children will do nothing whatsoever. Its the genes.
Dysentery7885 7 months ago
I wonder what stef would say about leftist folk who preach something similar to peaceful parenting but are still all about using violence against people who don't want to fund their social programs because anyone who doesn't want government healthcare automatically wants the poor to starve in the streets while being raped.
Shezmu 7 months ago
"I don't really care about the Bilderberg group, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Bohemian Grove, or any of those things, because those are all symptoms. Those people don't have any power unless the majority of people believe the state is moral and necessary and it is the belief of my fellow slaves that I wish to challenge, not the power that results from it."
n3rd66 7 months ago
right on target with how parenting will change our world for the better-i love this guy!!!
surfchixful 7 months ago
Freedom of association and non-association! Ostracism!!!
maggoli67 7 months ago
@anon3560 ROFL - you're dumb as a bag of hammers of think even Kurzweil actually believes those fairy tales. It's a safe bet Stefbot understands it's all BS.
kalliste23 7 months ago
doesnt matter what sort of govt u use or what ever concept a society will follow ruled by men will always fail, humans dont have the ability to lead themselves as an individual let alone to take the lead for his fellow man.
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 7 months ago
How can you teach ostracism to children in a public place like an elementary school without it being considered a form of bullying?
ChipArgyle 7 months ago
@ChipArgyle You can't, because schools as they exist today are places where children are Forced to go against there will (usually) so that they can be crammed together with other children who also don't want to be there, and then they are all told that they must be nice to each other and act like friends to there fellow prisonXXx.....I mean students. . . . . Ostracism is just freedom of association. If you don't like someone, you don't have to be around them. . . .
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
@ChipArgyle . . . A business doesn't have to hire someone who doesn't benefit the business, and they can and should fire people who are a drain on the business resources. If you have a group of friends who are talking in a circle, and some guy pushes to the center of the circle and starts screaming, the group can certainly socially shun him. If 1 family in a town of 100 families is disliked, then social & economic ostracism is preferable to violent removal to get them to move away.
ArgosSmith2009 7 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 Absolutely. I'm not against the concept. My question is how do you teach it to children ( teach outside of the home that is) in our politically correct society where schools that have a zero tolerance on bullying would have difficulty with it. Schools teach a lot of coping mechanisms for bullying, but ostracism isn't one of them as social banishment is considered a form of bullying.
Best to teach it in the home I suppose.
ChipArgyle 7 months ago
@ChipArgyle Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I never got a message in my inbox that you had replied, odd. Ummmmm, that's a good question, and I would say that you should explain ostracism, but that there isn't much to teach [You don't have to talk to or be around people you don't like]. I would think that it is more important to teach assertiveness. Assertiveness should come before Ostracism, such as if someone makes a racist remark then tell them that that bigotry is unacceptable and why.
ArgosSmith2009 6 months ago
@ArgosSmith2009 Hey - no rush.
I agree with you. Better to teach kids to stand up for what is right and take corrective stances at a peer level. If that doesn't change the mind of the person behaving badly, especially if more than one person takes such action, then they can always walk away.
ChipArgyle 5 months ago
the thing Stef is missing is the "next iteration" of the state.
with the advent of automating mechanisms, the state will be able to initiate controls on liberties that will be nightmarish to anyone in the past, if having lived free and unbounded by a federal bureaucracy. the last iteration gave us globalized trade (read: wage-arbitrage, between poor, developing countries and high-cost, high-wage developed countries). the next...will be a continued subsuming of private liberties.
qncsc 7 months ago
i say the problem is not the "state" as much as it is the 50% of the pop. that desires its existence, continuation and growth. there are many, many...millions that would like to see reason and responsibility (and adhere to Stef's ideas of working with the existence of the system) ...but the other millions (50% of the pop.) will ALWAYS vote for the continuance of the criminal class (a large, monolithic federal bureaucracy)!
it is just another form of religion. this is a concept not understood.
qncsc 7 months ago
@anon3560 see also Renee Thom's "Catastrophe Theory." As for, "but these things can be easily overcome given enough time and information" ROFL. Either you're joking or you're outstandingly dumb.
kalliste23 7 months ago
also that in order to implement some of the political and social estructures capable of holding together this socialist/comunnist/neo-capitalist country was a MILITARY goverment in the `70, that not only torture and killed over 30.000 people in concentration camps also lead us to a war with england. 3/3
elmaxidelsur 7 months ago
at the moment they are advertising the ¨argentinian¨ solution for greece and spain and so on.... well they forgot to mention that our country is still heading to a big economic and social collapse, the only thing keeping us still in the map is because we export %90 of our food at an exchange rate of 1/4.15 with the american dollar while the food is getting ridiculously expensive, 2/3
elmaxidelsur 7 months ago
I am argentinian, when you mention the argentina from 1990 untill now....well, we did had riots, we did had people dieing in the streets, we did had to go back to printing our money back by nothing and barter, food and access to a hospital was not warranty, the only reason why we manage to stop all that is.: socialism, printing a lot of money with 30% inflation yearly, all the people that cause the problem is free and the everyday working is worse every day. 1/2
elmaxidelsur 7 months ago
USA is one big concentration camp with a big yellow M instead of “Arbeit machts frei" and a smiling camp guard dressed as clown. The holocaust takes place via pharmaceuticals, while concurrent medical ways are prohibited (cannabis, intravenous vitamin c, etc. ), profound unhealthy food (sugar, corn syrup, wrong fats in dairy products, fat reduced products, etc.), lethal & legal recreational drugs (tobacco & alcohol), while cannabis, one of the big 3 is remarkable none poisonous and prohibited.
TerrierBram 7 months ago
Stefan, I think we need some kind of main stream movie to teach these ideas. Consider this, the new 2011 Planet of the Apes is coming out, I've only seen commercials, but in it there is a lab animal given some mental potency treatment. What is the first thing this new being does? It forms an army to use force. Who does the movie program? Our next generation. What if a movie taught non-violent ideas that teach against the state paradigm? You should start writing a movie. (Please. thanks.)
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Anarchy lasts as long as it takes a few guys to pick up their guns.
Skunny87 7 months ago
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Skunny87 7 months ago
This is what happens when you get an interview on the Alex Jones show.
GoogleVideoMan 7 months ago
you're trying to shackle evil? i laugh.
arnoldsimage 7 months ago
Molyneux, you are vying for the New Libertarian Man.
Re child rearing, I have no idea of how that'll save the world -to give an example, Lloyd DeMause is someone very preoccupied with the effects of child rearing in social systems, yet he is pretty much a social-democrat, as are many people who have been raised by very peaceful, "hippy" (I don't mean that as derision) kind of parents, and who do and will continue to support social democracy.
TotalAnomy 7 months ago
@TotalAnomy Watch his Bomb in the Brain series. That will explain his position on child rearing for you.
herpiethelovebug 7 months ago
@herpiethelovebug I most likely already have.
TotalAnomy 7 months ago
"I could be entirely full of crap" even more brilliant!!! (i don't believe u are but that is a brilliant observation!"
Jilly4Liberty 7 months ago
@anon3560 Indeed I am. The word just fits, you know what I'm saying?
cheers
doesthismakeanysense 7 months ago
"it is the belief of my fellow slaves that I wish to challenge, not the power that results from it." Brilliant
Jilly4Liberty 7 months ago
OH MAN!!! I just checked this guy out the first time 3 vids ago. but starting with the comment at 4.32. MAN. Oh man. I love this guy. I have discovered a philosophical brother in this man. I MUST SEEK HIM OUT AND REQUEST FROM HIM A READING LIST
Jilly4Liberty 7 months ago 4
@Jilly4Liberty BUT. I still believe in taking responsible political action. it is part of the way I wish to raise my child.
Jilly4Liberty 7 months ago
@Jilly4Liberty thank you my friend, you're welcome to check out all of my free books, on my website :)
stefbot 7 months ago
@stefbot Absolutely, will do. I can't remember the last time I had the 'internet' attention span to watch a speaker for over an hour and a half. (can't remember which video it was. I believe: how to have a political debate. or something of that sort.) I am much overdue for some sleep. Been all too excited, watching the ron paul money bomb ticker climb at a rate of about $305/min (and that's before the productive supporters, who work for a living, wake up at a sane hour.)
Jilly4Liberty 7 months ago
@Jilly4Liberty I think you'll find that a consistent application of the principle of non-aggression is truly mind-blowing.
CurtHowland 7 months ago 5
6:36 "We will grow people" lol
prodigy00073 7 months ago
Great video steff! Thanks!
AckermannPhilip 7 months ago
right on Stef
garrethdavis 7 months ago
stefan molyneux is insane when talking about the peaceful parenting solving evil.. insane
Dysentery7885 7 months ago
@Dysentery7885 So what you're saying is beating up kids is the way to solve evil?
DoctorCapitalist 7 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist no, killing evil people and their offspring is the way to solve evil.
Dysentery7885 7 months ago
By definition Stef must be the best person in the world, he is freeing the world
bestonlineguide 7 months ago
A simple breakdown for you (which might not be new): Corporations/Statism is granted power and energy from people; These people spend their time watching shows/films about "superheroes" or "lone wolves", who fight "evil", which causes an order/chaos mentality in them, formenting distrust between the very people that view corporations/statism as the enemy, but grant their power and energy, working 9-5 to destroy the lives of others because it's a method to turn EVERYONE into "Emmanuel Goldstein".
stuartgibb 7 months ago
People you should all like AND favorite + comment stefs videos so that they rank higher on youtube and reach more people
bestonlineguide 7 months ago
Chimpanzee clans wage war on each other as well ....
Stand4Liberty 7 months ago
It's bit naive to think that the collapse of the U.S. economy will be like that of Argentina or South America. America's situation is drastically different and the consequences that will follow are not comparable. You might say it's like comparing apples to oranges, but it's more like comparing apples to chimpanzees. When America falls it's going to take the world into wwIII.
StormCloudsGathering 7 months ago
Oh my, did I need to hear this video today. So uplifting, even in these dark days. As always, thank you Stef. We can do this people, WE CAN DO THIS! :)
L1ber8ted 7 months ago
I actually agree with the caller that the worst is yet to come. I'd buy some food, ammo, home protection, metals, and plenty of TP because shit will hit the fan! But we should still offer peaceful solutions and raise peaceful children as Stefan argues.
ggadguy 7 months ago
@ggadguy I'd buy some lube and enjoy myself.
burlearth 7 months ago
Fortunately, it IS illegal to yell, "FIRE!" in the theater when there is no fire, but...those screams in the distance may well not be so unfounded.
There is a fine line between paranoia and a state of heightened alertness, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a conspiracy is in fact, a conspiracy. To ignore it, doesn't make it any less dangerous.
It is recommended that we yell, "FIRE!", when there is actually a fire.
Frequencitee 7 months ago
PS: Fighting against the state is like fighting dust - it's not something you do once and it all just goes away, it's something you do every day, as unfortunate as it may sound. And as long as we have a mix of humble men and charlatans on this planet (I am not worried with supply personally) it will remain a never lasting battle, just like dust... I.e. even if we convince 6 billion people today and we get rid of the state, people will need to start it all over again in 100 years from now...
marcabela 7 months ago
@marcabela That is true if after defeating the state, you are left with a minarchist government with an inadequate constitution (some would argue that no constitution could work). But if you 'eliminate' the state entirely, leave no such overarching organization with a monopoly upon the legal use of force, then there is nothing to grow. It then becomes not a revolution in another 100 years, but a slow cautious vigilance that no such incipient group of mobsters be allowed to form.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper,
See, I'm not too sure anymore. To say it like it is, I woke up recently to the fact that most of the people around me (friends, even family, etc) were clearly willing to lie to themselves all the way to the grave. In ways that I never really imagined possible. I started analyzing all of them. And suddenly it all made total sense. Religions, slavery, kings, Stalin, Mao... I woke up to the fact that we are (at least our moral integrity is) a lot more "fragile" than we like to admit...
marcabela 7 months ago
@Panpiper,
So even if you were to bring everything down to a "no-government" (and "no-union" and "no-regulation" and "no-violence" society), charlatans would probably still try to make their way - even if / especially if / undeserved - to the cutest girl, to the biggest fruit, to the largest house... we're alive just like plants and other animals are, and thus we have a "natural" tendency to try to bend towards where the light is greater, and to dig towards where the minerals are tastier...
marcabela 7 months ago
@marcabela Certainly human beings have all manner of faults and weaknesses. That is not an argument in favor of creating a legal mechanism for the worst among us to rule the rest. Rather we need to create a society wherein violence, force and fraud are illegal in all it's forms, both the common criminal kind 'and' the state kind. Just how to do this, Stefan goes into great detail in Practical Anarchy, as being just one of many possible ways of doing it.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper,
See, as weirdly as it may seem, charlatanism has been around for... so many years... decades, centuries, and more... I doubt it will leave us tomorrow, however well we work out...
Also, "Austrian economics" ends up (weirdly enough) not always being completely "intuitive", i.e. you need to go through a bit of "training" (?) to learn to visualize all the "unseen", instead of focusing on all the "seen"... So as long as people lack the education (imagination) to focus on the "unseen"...
marcabela 7 months ago
Brilliant and disturbingly elegant... as usual. Thank you for all the great work and all the intellectual integrity & keep up the excellent work.
marcabela 7 months ago
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Today the events in Greece and in Spain point the way to real direct democracy. Because direct democracy and representative democracy are mutually exclusive, with the implementation of direct democracy, the representatives, taxation and the whole machinery of state goes away.
Then the state disappears
This is a possibility now. see realdirectdemocracynow.blogspot.com.
JohnMichell77 7 months ago
The caller appears to be a bit paranoid and buying into conspiracy theory nonsense. Stef is being diplomatic, but the look on his face as soon as the word "Bilderberg" was mentioned was priceless.
johnycannuk 7 months ago
@johnycannuk I honestly think people buy into conspiracy theories because it satisfies a deep seated need in them to believe that 'someone' is in control (and if they could just get 'nice' people in control, everything would be better). The reality, that no one is really in control, "spaceship earth has no pilot", is quite frightening to them. You have to wonder though about conspiracy theorists, because they also tend to believe that 'those people' are absolutely, malevolently evil.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper I agree. I also think its part of the whole "I'm not to blame for my current predicament" attitude some people have - they love to be perpetual victims rather than take some responsibility.
Not that powerful people aren't doing nasty things to stay in power, its just they aren't the all powerful demons they are made out to be. And can be defeated simply by not cooperating with the system...
johnycannuk 7 months ago
@johnycannuk Complete concurrence.
Panpiper 7 months ago
As individuals, and groups, we should shun the State. We should give them little of every thing, and live humbly and forget living on the future, but more in the present. Consider whether you really NEED it.
And for the love of your children, get together and share household costs including rent/mortgage by forming family couples (2 young couples 2 - 3 kids). Pay it off quick and do it again.
REJECT THE SYSTEM.
baalisgod666 7 months ago
Fact check
Chimpanzees have been known to kill for fun so have dolphins.
Chimpanzees also are known to wage war engaging in territory raids.
darkblood626 7 months ago
If anyone thinks pessimism is the key to a brighter future, you let me know.
The guy that called in sounds like an Alex Jones die hard.
If you listen to Alex Jones all the time, then that will become your reality tunnel.
doesthismakeanysense 7 months ago 9
@doesthismakeanysense Not really, sometimes you have to be able to see past the pessimism through to the message.
SuperPhdiva 7 months ago
@doesthismakeanysense hey I like Alex Jones! But I get what you mean
garrethdavis 7 months ago
@doesthismakeanysense that's a slippery slope. pessimism/realism optimism/delusion. that's the kind of dismissive attitude hope drunk libs/conserv. display when you explain to them the nature of our political system and society and that we can work things out through the electoral process and your just a defeatist and a pessimist when you explain the futility of doing so.
demerc 7 months ago
@doesthismakeanysense you are correct, truth and/or reality is relative to one's perspective. so if we can take off our blinders and have an open mind we may all gain a broader view of things.
truthnowhere 7 months ago
@truthnowhere that's our way forward my friend. Indeed
doesthismakeanysense 7 months ago
IIRC, Chimpanzees wage war as well, thought their close cousins and by extension ours, Banobos do not.
davetoepfer 7 months ago
Suppose all goes well with the peaceful parenting. There will always be those broken few who can continue to use the existing system to control the masses. The power thirsty elitists in charge now will ensure their kids are *not* benefiting from peaceful parenting; they will be raised as monsters like their parents. Stefan, as it is clear a small minority can rule the masses, how do we deal with this fact that peaceful parenting cannot touch 100% of the next generations?
MrStillmans 7 months ago
Economic crisis is definitely not sufficient tool for extremists to take power BUT history proves it is very important ingredient.
SamuelRust 7 months ago
Part 1 of 2
Stefan, what are your thoughts (if any) on the role of *passion, awe and wonder* (and subsequent drives of intrigue, curiosity and imagination) with regards to how we view ALL things in life including things like the corporate media, the state, propaganda, the power of consensus, the phenomenon of the charade of politics/ voting, willingness to go to war etc?
IMHO the state is reliant on (and a product of) a public who have catastrophically lost all sense of wonder at the world...
theawecabinet 7 months ago
Part 2 of 2
Would you agree that even force/ violence are ultimately a product of BOREDOM at the most fundamental (energetic/ consciousness) level?
A boredom due to being 'deactivated' (thanks to upbringing) from seeing/ feeling the true and vast mystery and magic of the world around us (and absolutely including *ourselves* as a part of that mystery)
I'm NOT talking about appreciating the 'loveliness of the world', I'm talking about *depth* of perception/ consciousness (ie beyond judgements)
theawecabinet 7 months ago
Nice little chat guys, food for thought.
jamesjjjspike 7 months ago
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jrgenkratz 7 months ago
Bolona. This guy is a loser and defeatest.
MorpheusX001 7 months ago
WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA! --- Join the Revolution
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Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( w*revolution2.osixs.org )
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We don’t have to live like this anymore. "Spread the News"
FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM
MorpheusX001 7 months ago
I am not saying that i am smarter then everyone but with the technology we have today i have an idea. Way don't we dilute the power of the state. We have corruption because people can be bribed, but if all the citizens can vote on everything. To make it like a facebook-youtube program where the politicians are just moderators but they have just a vote like every one in the country. why is that not going to fix the state?
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
I am not saying a democracy such as you suggest would be worse, I would rather have a proportional representative democracy than a regional one for instance, but the problem is that it is still democracy. People will always vote themselves largess from the public trough at the expense of the future. Add to that that most people are truly clueless with economics, and... that won't fix it.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper That is a great idea! we discuss many issues on YT as it is. If, the decision-making were a requirement by the individual, then it wouldn't be so easy to blame some shadowy group of "never even knew they existed" type people.
I would definitely support secession. And I would definitely support state constituencies making decisions which effect that state and its' constituents.
Revolution of not revolution, the outcome will be the same.
Frequencitee 7 months ago
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aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@Panpiper I know that you are right but that is what i am afraid of a stateless community, if now they are so clueless when they are on there one, only the good ones are going to survive and the clueless are going extinct like in nature.
I do not want that. Stupid people are going to lose money god people are going to help the stupid people and the wieners are going to be Egoistic people and that is going to be the hole population in 10-15 generation.
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 Even the clueless are capable of getting a job packing groceries or whatever. They can find a cheap apartment and feed themselves. There is enough economic incentive for companies to make essential services easy to understand, even for the clueless. Those companies that succeed in that will out compete those who do not. For the extreme minority that are so mentally or otherwise handicapped as to be homeless, charities would flourish in a wealthy society.
Panpiper 7 months ago
Why would people have the incentive to have charities? We can have 2 kinds of people,
people how want to help and
people how do not .
If they are as good at making money the people that want to help have a disadvantage, right?
2 people that make 10 $, one give 1$ for charity he only has 9$ to invest the other has 10$ so on a free market it is smarter not to give for charity. The change will not start immediate but in some generation people how are good are going to be extinct.
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 Why do people have incentives to give to charity now? (Especially when most of us figure the government will take care of it so why bother?) Do you think that in a non-violent, affluent society, people will be less good? If so, you've got some seriously skewed logic.
Panpiper 7 months ago
I am not saying that today is good. but i am saying that i do not want to live in a world that dos not give all the people health care, free education and help people with no job.
And in my opinion in a stateless community this is not going to happen.
First there is no non-violent community in nature (it can have less violence)
And to the part of no logic this is the logic of nature what works best wins. Am i wrong when i say that a man that doesn't give to charity is wining in a Free Market?
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 A stateless society would have very inexpensive health care and educational options, vastly more accessible than in today's society. Jobs would be plentiful.The very few who for mental or physical disability reasons could 'not' afford the cheap services, would have charities able to serve them.
Human beings are more than savage animals and can rise above the initiation of violence in our society.
Some might not give to charity, most would. Decent people have more friends.
Panpiper 7 months ago
You say that today we do not have a free market if it was a free market everything would be fine. Maybe it is not perfect but it is close. And what do we see ?
People how are egoist, win.
They bribe the state to take from the poor.
In a place where there is no state they do not need to give bribes they can simply steel.
I want state but a state that works.
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 What we have right now is not 'close' to a free market. It is nowhere near close. As for a state that works, we've been trying for thousands of years and failing miserably every time. A world without the state is not a world without legal protections against theft, but those protections would be voluntary, not coercive. Read Stefan's 'Practical Anarchy'.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper People do not have the incentive today but the direction that this is going is not going to resolve the problem.
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 You've got it backwards.
I've been in business for 25 years either as a business manager or an entrepreneur. You do not succeed in business by being a stingy asshole. You succeed by offering a really good service for the price, that people value, and by being the sort of person that people want to do business with. Anyone who does not conduct their business that way, gets put out of business by those who do. I speak from personal experience.
Panpiper 7 months ago
@Panpiper
Yes you are right but this is the norm today. In a society that has to obey the lows a person that dose not obey the lows (State lows, moral lows) is ostracized. I'm not saying that in a free market you can be an asshole because everybody is one. But when you do not have state lows of conduct you only have moral lows of conduct. And moral lows can change easy. When a state low in put in action it is more scrutinized (in theory) then when a moral low is imposed do to popular acceptance.
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
If right now we take down the state, can all the world charities take care of all the people now relaying on state benefit?
aliienslayer1 7 months ago
@aliienslayer1 You are talking about a hypothetical that would never occur. But if the state were to disappear, poof, just like that, so too would minimum wage laws, etc.. The vast majority of those people would be able to find work very quickly. It might not be work they 'like', that would come later, but it would be enough. The rest, yes, I expect others would take care of them.
Panpiper 7 months ago
Loads of animals kill for fun, and chimps wage tribal wars.
jrgenkratz 7 months ago
The state is in trouble already though... When the money is worthless they can't pay for soldiers or bureaucrats. At that point it will be up to us to not just do the same thing again.
CaptainLazerus 7 months ago
Well, today in Romania(eastern Europe) the parenting is not very different as in the beginning of the 20th century in Germany. There is a saying like "the beatings are born from heaven". And the result is that from a 21 million population only 20,000 are atheist of agnostics, people vastly hate others who are not like them and the allot of the youth want a Nazi regime to kill all gypsies.
unclesamfatg 7 months ago
Civil Disobedience by Thoreau - Best stuff I have read in awhile.
mriconoclast13 7 months ago
Great Show Stefan! as always!
johnnywcage 7 months ago
I guess Stefbot has never read "Black Swan" Nassim Nicholas Taleb. I think Stefbot is making a variety of logical errors here but I can't go into them in a Tube comment.
A thought experiment: use the Transhumanists' tech against them... check out the 1984 film ``Runaway'' as a for instance.
Me, if I had gunships in high orbit then there would be some changes around here...
kalliste23 7 months ago
@kalliste23 - Sorry, stef, but not wanting others to control you is NOT wanting to exert power over them. It's just wanting to be left alone. I normally agree with stef a lot, but like the commentator below me, feel he made several logical errors in this video.
ShoveTyranny 7 months ago
@ShoveTyranny indeed. It wouldn't be difficult to parlay Stefbot's (il)logic there into an assertion that you have no right to self defence... oh, wait...
kalliste23 7 months ago
@kalliste23 Feel free to respond t this comment with one example.
johnycannuk 7 months ago
@johnycannuk see also ShoveTryranny and I's exchange - Stefbot is begging the question when he says wanting to have people leave you alone is to seek power of them.
kalliste23 7 months ago 2
@kalliste23 If you had gunships in high orbit, then you would be the enemy of freedom.
rfecteau 7 months ago
After giving one third to the government and another third to previous landowners for the right to be here, sadly few have enough spare left to pay proper attention to the second job of bringing up their children.
magrathean0 7 months ago
"the tree" is like most things in this world, good and evil, I'm wary of uprooting the whole thing...if your premise is that men are inherently good then you'll be ok...if not your pooched.
InfiniteMischief 7 months ago
chimps wage war. Cats kill for fun all the time. Attempting to link our intelligence with uniquely bad behaviour just doesn't work. All the violence and "uncivlised" behaviour we exhibit occurs in nature 10X as often and often 10X more horrificlly and brutal
Intelligence is what allows empathy and empathy is what makes ignorant people hate and dispise the human race for the horrible things it has in common with animals
I love animals, they are great, but even the kindest are less moral then us
Hashishin13 7 months ago
You can't beat the beating out of people.
ariuszarim 7 months ago
@blapgat A recent finding on the ant species of Messor minor, Messor wasmanni and Messor capitatus shows a far greater cooperation than expected. They even hybritize...
RegioLunar 7 months ago