Is this for real? Last I heard, there was only one organ in the world with a 64' stop! where is this? Who is this – a hobbyist who somehow built his own 128' stop?
@Enantiodromialist This is a simulation of 128ft using frequency division in order to test what musical effect or purpose such low frequencies can be to music and whether they have any place at all. Look for "Latrobian Whirl" where the 128ft was used on certain large notes. Other concerts have used it - possibly Ben Scott - search "Ben Scott Widor Toccata 5th Symphonie" as he's likely to have used it on that. The instrument is intended to allow experiment as well as demonstrating the repertoire
I really LOVE to hear an organ, it has 2387687653764 different sounds, but 99 percent you'll never use, they're just there to have fun with them and create earthquakes :P
@Coricans :-) I do have a neighbour who'd like to take a contract out on my - but he lives half a mile away. Luckily my closest neighbours are very understanding and are GREAT!
English organ companies built a great many bland, "ordinairy" sounding organs in the '50's-'80's. Apart from the voicing, an adherence to equal temperament (even when restoring historic organs!) did not help matters. There are still boring sounding organs being supplied, but not nearly as many. There has been particular success with sensitive restorations to historic instruments, such as the superb organ at St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London.
I have a Thomas Palace III 3 manual transistor organ from 1966 that is a decent organ, but the bass at 16 foot is not as deep as I would like. If I amplify it separately and put it through a sub woofer 2-12 inch speaker box I have, will it accentuate the bass more than the organ's 15 inch speaker. The Organ's amp is transistor, but only pushing maybe 40 watts on that channel. Surprisingly the organ's Leslie channel is very loud and clear and it uses an identical amp, but it's pushing an 8 inch.
@bigsilverdaddy58 If you search "Latrobian Whirl" you'll here this beast in action and the 128ft notes in use in some places. "Potton Reubke" and "Filsell Hollins" are other examples of this instrument the like of which you won't hear in restrooms . . .
@GJmusique Yes - my wife thought I'd started the deisel Unimog engine. But it's an experiment to see what these frequencies add. Strangely in use they mathematically underpin harmony above.
@thetripledoubleZ The real things with pipes don't yet have 128ft pipes. That's the whole point of using electronics to simulate and experiment to see if they are worth building for real . . .
@latribe oh, i dont think there worth it, too costly and it probably wont be a pretty note. im good w/ a 32ft pipe, the pipe organ i play (which i just started playing cuz im getting lessons) biggest pipe is 16 ft, but it also haz a 16ft pipe capped.
@nistorgxx1 Please search "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" and please comment there: sound depends entirely on what registrations organists choose. Search "Jeremy Filsell Hollins" for this instrument in the hands of a Master
@nistorgxx1 Please search "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" and please comment there: sound depends entirely on what registrations organists choose. Search "Jeremy Filsell Hollins" for this instrument in the hands of a Master.
@UncagedCardinal :-) Yes - it's really great in real life. Of recordings "Hugh Potton Reubke", "Latrobian Whirl", "Hugh Potton Cochereau" and "Jeremy Filesell Hollins" are YouTube videos you might really enjoy on this instrument.
@UncagedCardinal Hi! I'm using two 18 inch units in a box against the wall vented into the floor and a wall beyond. They're driven on around 80 watts only.
@latribe Not sure what extra equipment you would need. (I think it might be a State-secret).
Joking apart though, when I was at music college (many moons ago) we had a music-physics lesson where a lecturer with an note-oscillating-machine got various parts of our bodies to vibrate in sympathy. Eyes moving in sockets and some even weirder stuff. Some of the girls especially really enjoyed the lesson. :)
@MrPresidentToBe :-) Even RP has its variations! I come from south east England and I recall being amused by the change of inflexion in a friend's speech after he had spent three years at Oxford university.
@djttv Hi djttv. with an open pipe (diapason/principal/fifteenth) air is drawn into the mouth and exits via the top so the sound comes mainly from the top.
With a stopped pipe (stopped diapason/bourdon etc) the sound exits through the mouth.
With a reed pipe (cornopian/trompette/tromba/ophecliede/contra-trombone etc) the pipe acts like an orchestral oboe. Air passes through a brass 'reed' which forces it to vibrate against a palette, most of the sound exits via the top of the pipe.
@Desmaad Yes - lucky to have space - but such luck imposes a responsibility to use it well - and this instrument is to raise the profile and appreciation of organ music and repertoire. If you look at the Organ Matters website, and the posting "too late" you'll see why I have created this instrument with such passion. It was 3 manuals when I first acquired it and I added the further two . . .
@RonRizzy Hi! Yes - of course I agree - but listen to the video "Latrobian Whirl" and you'll hear the organist using it on a couple of notes. It supports full organ above it
There is a 64' Gravissima in the Wanamaker organ, a resultant of a 32' stop plus a 21 - 2/3 played together and I have both heard and felt the effect. It is unfortunate that I cant hear what you have done in person. Not very impressive through my lap top speakers im afraid.
@MrFixit150 Hi! Yes- that's what I thought till I tried it. As part of a large sound, it actually supports the higher harmonics of the harmony on full organ and sounds awesome. Search "Latrobian Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on a couple of notes
This is John Nozum from Moundsville, WV (USA). I am an organist myself. I REALLY enjoyed your video! I guess that you and I both are trying to see how big of a pipe organ that we can emulate! This past Spring, I managed to put together an organ with about 2,000 ranks, including 256' pipes (through computer and MIDI, of course)! I guess that you and I both have a taste for some serious crescendo! May God's peace be with you always!
@JNozum Hi! Yes! And now I have the Tuba stop on the Choir, as it should be, able to compete with the whole of the rest of the organ put together. This instrument is now starting to sound very fine - see "French Baroque Masterclass" "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" to hear it being put through its paces. It's much much better now than it was when some of the earlier YouTube recordings were done on it.
@JNozum Hi! What a GREAT project! It would be nice if you might be able to join the Organ Matters discussion forum and tell us more about your experiments!
huh i did not know some organs could have 128 foot pipes in the petals, i always thought it would just go up to 64 otherwise no human could be able to here it, fascinating
well really 64 is the largest, there are two real ones, in the world, the midmer losh in boardwalk hall in atlantic city, and the municipal organ in sydny australia.
The midmer losh though does have a resultant 128 with real pipes though when the 64 diaphone and the 48 tuba imperial are coupled together when playing.
but a real 128 would be too big and would not really be heard to be practical in a real organ. the rest is just digital sound if its a 128 done by lowering the octave.
@manga12 The idea of this is just to see what it _would_ sound like if someone was daft enough to do it. In fact it does support large chords on full organ very well
Right well it would be felt in the sound of the feel of the music more then heard by ear, but it goes without saying, there is confusion that there is a real 128 pipe in a church in germany that goes from floor to top of ceiling, and its more digital then what not.
#LOL What's the point of having a pipe that's such a low frequency that it just goes "fwump fwump fwump fwump", shatters the cathedral windows and gives the old man at the back of the room a heart attack when the sheer concussion of it causes cardiac arrhythmia?
I had read somewhere, that in the 18th century or so, in Germany, there were plans to build an organ with a 256 ft and a 512 ft stop. I highly doubt they were ever built. Could you imagine a 512 ft stop? That would be like, 0.5 Hz! Far below the normal hearing range of a human. Not only that, it would probably cause a cathedral to collapse!
is there really a cathedral in germany that has a 128' register? in the video response I could not hear any 128'-unless it was not a reed. Do you know?
@juaniluco888 Hi! No. It's a spoof - but a really fun one and indeed it was that that inspired me to try it to see what it might sound or feel like and as to whether it might have any legitmate part in what we appreciate as music. If you go to the video "Latrobian Whirl" I think the organist used it on a couple of big notes . . .
Interesting, but I don't see why there is any point in having a 128 foot sound, even a 64 foot is unnecessary because when you add that with something, higher notes will drain out the 64 and 128 foot sounds, so I think a 32 foot is enough.
:-) Well that's exactly why I wanted to carry out the experiment. In fact it does actually harmonically support chords above it. Have a listen to "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on some notes if your speakers can cope.
It's a historic house in Sussex which is open to the public in the summer and where we try to show people why "heritage" of the past is relevant, why it should be preserved and where we promote concerts and musicians. We hope that by exploring the cutting edge of presenting what is often considered "uncool" with scholarly enthusiasm we can add new dimensions of musical experience which makes it greatly exciting.
Some internet people complained that the 'mad scientist' image of Hollywood movies ruined the pipe organ's reputation. But I expect that in a world where reason (or banal capitalism?) will triumph over hell threats and comming generations abandon churches, such associations may even help to keep it in their mind. In few decades mankind will much rather fabour Frankenstein than Jesus as their role model, thus fantasys like Captain Nemo, superheroes and villains at organs is the way to work with.
I have to agree the recording deficiencies and following compression, storage, retrieval, decompression, and reproduction on inadequate consumer-grade electronic sound reproduction gear is going to impact the ability to experience what you have done there. That being said, I have auditioned material played on that organ as equipped with the 128' stop and the effect IS noticeable. Obviously not a "note", definitely an "effect", somewhat percussive but without the attack of percussion.
What happens here is that it interferes with the automatic volume control of the camera . . . The effect is actually felt rather than heard but it supports the harmonic structure of chords above. Some of our recordings do feature the stop. Search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear an amazing performance where the organist uses it on certain notes for deliberate effect.
This video is just the beginning of the story . . . the result is in performance. Search "Hugh Potton Reubke"
@latribe I have listened to both, and Jacob's Toccata and Fugue in D minor, and it really does its job when Ben Scott used it to great effect when he played the Widor Toccata, probably could make a cut of that for "Organ makes a rude noise II" when he missed the pedal, the beat resulting from that 1/3hz "error"
was "intriguing". Dissonance at its finest!
Wondering if the 128' was coupled to a higher-octave register at the time? If you can't remember, that's fine:-)
Hi! It would certainly have been coupled into a 32ft pitch - whether or not any higher ones I haven't a clue . . . Glad that this has produced some amusement - I always wondered what it would really "sound" like
Hi! It's electric and I have put it together as an experimental and inspirational breadboard for exploration of new ideas for pipe organs and also to demonstrate the King of Instruments for concerts.
Search "Latrobian Dionysian Whirl" to hear this organ in action under the fingers of one of the world's leading organists. He used the 128ft on a note or two as well as my brilliant dirty trumpets which have now been refined - search "French Baroque Masterclass" and you'll find the Grand Jeu
Of course. Yes - I agree with you - at first sight a reasonable comment. But the purpose is to explore - "what if". What if Bill Gates sponsors a new organ to be built and it's going to be the most amazing organ in the world - just what would a 128ft stop sound like? What would it do?
The experience and reality here in recital is that it is felt and it actually underpins the harmonic structure above. Search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" for a great organist giving it a spin in a brilliant piece.
I find this very interesting but I am a total layman, what are the "stops" referred to? Are they used for adding extra low frequency notes to provide extra body to a section of music?
All the knobs you see on an organ are the stops. Each stop has a different sound, and often a different pitch. They are labelled with numbers - 16, 8, 4, 2 2/3, 2, 1 1/3, 1. These refer to the length of a pipe playing the bottom C on the keyboard. 8ft is standard pitch, 4ft is an octave up, 16ft an octave down - so you get the picture. 32ft is two octaves down, 64 and 128 are 3 and 4 down. Then each pitch comes in different tones, Principal, Flute, Stopped or Reeds like trumpets and oboes.
Therefore, you have proven... by definition and tone... Electronic simulation, as in this video GREATLY EXAGGERATE the REAL implications of the sounds... I've ALWAYS believed... the "Experts" may believe electronics can accurately represent actual audio resonance... But in application, it's proven time and again... The electronic "simulations" greatly exaggerate the effects the testers are trying to "prove." In reality, the electronic simulation of the setting is WAY OFF from REALITY!!!
Well actually this is no simulation of reality because the reality of a 128ft does not exist. I wanted to experiment to see what it might "sound" like and whether it would have any place in the musical realm. Performances have shown that it can do . . . search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" to hear a piece where the organist used it for a few notes.
In practice it underpins the harmonics of large chords and audiences feel it. It demonstrates to the nightclub scene that there is music more powerful.
It's a historic house in Sussex UK where I am trying to get the organ as an instrument back on the mainstream concert repertoire and in particularly for people who would not dare to venture a foot into church.
If we don't make efforts to give the organ a universal appeal, the organ and its heritage and its music will die. A whole department of New York University at Purchase has died for lack of interest.
Look up "St Maximin Bach" for an organ and a performance that will blow you away.
my church NEVER uses the organ. im the only one that plays it. people i guess just preferr the piano over the organ. plus, the piano i think it a bit easier to manage.
That's sad. Why not give the others a bit of instruction on the organ and perhaps try some Couperin? Quite easy - but play quavers as dotted, a jaunty rhythm - and all the French Baroque music is free to download on the internet. See my other videos, especially with respect to French Baroque or St Maximin for ideas.
The sound of each note on the piano dies away. It is ephemeral and superficial. The organ is constant. It is always there. Symbolic of permanence - omnipresent and everlasting
it really is. its a nice instrument too a 1959 shantz in great condition other than the resovoirs leak alittle. Im not in the music ministry but i read somewhere that organs and go out of tune and mess with the pipes if not played. The organ isn't in a position to be played for daily mass either for the reason that it is in the way back of the church and the choir is in the front.
Hello, same problem in Sweden.Every church has an organ that in most cases works and is fully playable,but unfortunately most organists and kantors choose to sit at the piano and TRY to play "pop" hymns,to which no body sings.its just a total embarassement. we have an amazing organ culture over here with every sort of instrument possible,from the big romantic cathedral,to the small 1 man, all wood pipes chappel.
Hi! Yes - it's awful and it results in the destruction that we see in my video "A plea for organs", and it's also the reason why I am exploring the excitement of the French Baroque in repertoire and organs which seems to be rather unduly neglected. But with "trumpets fit for the arrival of the king" one has to sit up and take notice.
In the 1950s there was a naff musical in England called "Salad Days" - quite enjoyable really but not high culture. I object to hymns that sound like those songs.
That's a good experiment. Gregg Bailey claims he has a 64' PVC subcontrabass clarinet which could also play down to the 128' C (or CCCCC or C-2 or 4.09 Hz). Even though most people are unable to hear (but can feel!) 4-Hz notes, the presence of such low frequencies can make symphony and philharmonic orchestras as well as most organs and pianos have a 'fuller' presence. Also I wish more organs would have provisions to play 64' and 128' notes. Very fascinating!
agreed. im the only one that plays at my parish except for weddings. They don't even use it on holidays anymore its a shame. Its nice organ too a Shantz 1959.
Part of the problem is, try finding competent organ instructors these days. At least in the southeast USA, (Florida), it is very difficult to find competent organists that are willing to give instruction, and the very few that do exist have an extremely busy schedule.
16v stops can be wery powerfull because the pich is faster and ,more resonate.
However it is not imposible to build a thrue 128' stop. And don't be suprised If the are devoloping one right now. But you can't use it. The pitch is to slow, and the note way to powerfull.
I had the chance to play the Theatre Organ in the San Francisco Civic Center a number of years ago. If I remember right it had a 64' Bourdon which you could feel. I think the Theatre Organ in the old Chicago Stadiumhad a 64' also.
I'm not sure if it's 'unmusical'. There are infact several substantive 64' stops in existance, and there is one example in the USA of a derived 128' stop. But certainly this is really fun, I think it's just great!!
well we can shake the entire cathedral with just 16ft ones and 32 ones, i wonder what will happen if a 64 ft or 128 ft stop would go on and on full organ i think the roof of st. peter's biscilica will fall on the pope's head!!lol!!
I actually crack out a wee-bit of a giggle there. I have no idea why., but somehow the mixed imagery of chimes, zimbelstern and a 64 flue makes me laugh.
:-) Yes! The instrument is meant to be fun - an experiment of everything you always wanted to be on an organ! The result of this is that perhaps one can make better decisions in specifying a pipe organ to be built . . .
But then, one of the jobs of an organist is to make use of the limited sonic resources at hand, isn't it?
Of course, some say this sort of organ technology is an advance in the instrument, some say soon everything will be played to 'the optimum' registration and the meaning of registration would be dead.
Pessimistic ramblings aside, forget the Zimbelstern. Why not try the good old fashioned Fuchsschwank or Noli me tangere? I do think it's time for some flying weasel pranks.
At Hammerwood Park near East Grinstead. All organists are welcome to come and practice by mutual arrangement - most times are convenient. And if anyone likes to play informally over tea on a Wednesday or Saturday afternoon at 3.30pm after a 2pm guided tour from June to the end of September, the purpose of the instrument is to introduce the organ as an instrument to people: many people not having experienced organs in church nor in cinemas nowadays are entirely unaware of the King of Instruments
"On the Boardwalk!! In Atlantic City!!" 64' down by the beach!!
jimamia77 1 week ago
Gave my Woofer's a work out.
silverstartrucker 2 weeks ago
Naja, 128`..lol... das hat mit ja Musik noch wenig zu tun..
schuldistkult 1 month ago
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guess you have no neighbors XD
philateliceun 2 months ago
INTERESTING BUT OF NO MUSICAL VALUE.
ALANSKA62 3 months ago in playlist Organ demonstrations
@ALANSKA62 You'd be surprised.
RogueRotting360 1 month ago
Is this for real? Last I heard, there was only one organ in the world with a 64' stop! where is this? Who is this – a hobbyist who somehow built his own 128' stop?
Enantiodromialist 3 months ago
@Enantiodromialist This is a simulation of 128ft using frequency division in order to test what musical effect or purpose such low frequencies can be to music and whether they have any place at all. Look for "Latrobian Whirl" where the 128ft was used on certain large notes. Other concerts have used it - possibly Ben Scott - search "Ben Scott Widor Toccata 5th Symphonie" as he's likely to have used it on that. The instrument is intended to allow experiment as well as demonstrating the repertoire
latribe 3 months ago
I really LOVE to hear an organ, it has 2387687653764 different sounds, but 99 percent you'll never use, they're just there to have fun with them and create earthquakes :P
zuzrwolrd 3 months ago
I build transmission line loudspearers to listian to wonderful stuff like this - feel the power! :-))
ChuffChuffWoo 4 months ago
If I was his neighbor I swear to god id fucking kill him
Coricans 4 months ago 2
@Coricans :-) I do have a neighbour who'd like to take a contract out on my - but he lives half a mile away. Luckily my closest neighbours are very understanding and are GREAT!
latribe 4 months ago
our ears of course cannot catch those kind of sounds, I wonder how tall the pipes might be
contreviolone32 6 months ago
video title: how to destroy my sub-woofer XD
IDIOTIGROUP 6 months ago
lovely guy, you can't hear that on youtube. ;) the digital way don't give it..
Ratje1a 6 months ago
brilliant!
johnyprestige 6 months ago
I reckon that at 128' and 64' the name "Earthquake" would be quite appropriate
hartleymartin 7 months ago
How many DB is that 8 and 4 HZ db?
That is amazing.
AbingtonAudio 7 months ago
you should use a rotary woofer for this.
TheElectronicaman 8 months ago
@TheElectronicaman Perhaps the makers of rotary woofers might like to sponsor this!
latribe 8 months ago
@latribe get a rotary woofer , i promise it will the best sound product of your life.
TheElectronicaman 5 months ago
@latribe please type up the only subwoofer by J.Peter moncrieff.
TheElectronicaman 1 month ago
@TheElectronicaman Perfect application for a rotary woofer I do agree.
gavincurtis 6 months ago
sounds like a big block engine ideling. thats music to my ears
TheNamaste2012 8 months ago
(Quote).....but great fun......yes, indeed
eskatee 8 months ago
And i thought my 16' pedal stop annoyed my neighbors....
Baldwin48HR 9 months ago
HOLY F%^K!
bellyeye 9 months ago
Somewhere there's a bunch of elephants going mad.
maxcohen13 10 months ago 9
English organ companies built a great many bland, "ordinairy" sounding organs in the '50's-'80's. Apart from the voicing, an adherence to equal temperament (even when restoring historic organs!) did not help matters. There are still boring sounding organs being supplied, but not nearly as many. There has been particular success with sensitive restorations to historic instruments, such as the superb organ at St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London.
95tupolev 10 months ago
I have a Thomas Palace III 3 manual transistor organ from 1966 that is a decent organ, but the bass at 16 foot is not as deep as I would like. If I amplify it separately and put it through a sub woofer 2-12 inch speaker box I have, will it accentuate the bass more than the organ's 15 inch speaker. The Organ's amp is transistor, but only pushing maybe 40 watts on that channel. Surprisingly the organ's Leslie channel is very loud and clear and it uses an identical amp, but it's pushing an 8 inch.
paulj0557 10 months ago
Yikes...guy play the damned thing and stop yakking!!!!!!
English organ building , electronic or otherwise sucks as a rule....
most sounds from them are better left as sound effects from restrooms
bigsilverdaddy58 11 months ago
@bigsilverdaddy58 If you search "Latrobian Whirl" you'll here this beast in action and the 128ft notes in use in some places. "Potton Reubke" and "Filsell Hollins" are other examples of this instrument the like of which you won't hear in restrooms . . .
latribe 11 months ago
@bigsilverdaddy58
He's explaining how the organ works. Chill out
JazzIsaac 10 months ago
Doesnt he know that 4Hz makes people throw up.
watzupdawg 11 months ago
i have one of those in my shed!, and i watch when airplanes go overhead.
TheTmny876able 11 months ago
this guy sounds like a british mad scientist who is a little too hyper and over excited lol in a good way man
crustylion123 11 months ago
@crustylion123 It's what is achieved that's of importance! Try "Latrobian Whirl" . . .
latribe 11 months ago
That's a nice contra lawn-mower 128' you got there.. :P
GJmusique 11 months ago
@GJmusique Yes - my wife thought I'd started the deisel Unimog engine. But it's an experiment to see what these frequencies add. Strangely in use they mathematically underpin harmony above.
latribe 11 months ago
im guessing thts an electric organ, i dont see any giant pipes, the real things w/ the pipes sounds better
thetripledoubleZ 1 year ago
@thetripledoubleZ The real things with pipes don't yet have 128ft pipes. That's the whole point of using electronics to simulate and experiment to see if they are worth building for real . . .
latribe 11 months ago
@latribe oh, i dont think there worth it, too costly and it probably wont be a pretty note. im good w/ a 32ft pipe, the pipe organ i play (which i just started playing cuz im getting lessons) biggest pipe is 16 ft, but it also haz a 16ft pipe capped.
thetripledoubleZ 11 months ago
@thetripledoubleZ It's definitely an electronic - and a poor example, in my opinion.
nistorgxx1 10 months ago
@nistorgxx1 Please search "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" and please comment there: sound depends entirely on what registrations organists choose. Search "Jeremy Filsell Hollins" for this instrument in the hands of a Master
latribe 10 months ago
@nistorgxx1 Please search "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" and please comment there: sound depends entirely on what registrations organists choose. Search "Jeremy Filsell Hollins" for this instrument in the hands of a Master.
latribe 10 months ago
Hi latribe. I've just listened to the Vidor-Toccata played on this electronic beast of an organ.
I'm really impressed. What a fantastic sounding instrument. :)
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
@UncagedCardinal :-) Yes - it's really great in real life. Of recordings "Hugh Potton Reubke", "Latrobian Whirl", "Hugh Potton Cochereau" and "Jeremy Filesell Hollins" are YouTube videos you might really enjoy on this instrument.
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alexajulia1 1 year ago
Hi latribe, what diameter of speaker are you using to get you down to such low frequencies ?
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
@UncagedCardinal Hi! I'm using two 18 inch units in a box against the wall vented into the floor and a wall beyond. They're driven on around 80 watts only.
latribe 1 year ago
@latribe 'vented into the floor and a wall beyond'
Yikes, that's some huge speaker cabinet.
Gimme dat long-wave bass !
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
what frequency might induce a blissful org(an)asm ?
I bet your wife would like that ........... better than a boring old titanic (underwater) engine-room. :)
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
@UncagedCardinal Sorry - no seat vibration transducers are installed here. Is this really what I need?
latribe 1 year ago
@latribe Not sure what extra equipment you would need. (I think it might be a State-secret).
Joking apart though, when I was at music college (many moons ago) we had a music-physics lesson where a lecturer with an note-oscillating-machine got various parts of our bodies to vibrate in sympathy. Eyes moving in sockets and some even weirder stuff. Some of the girls especially really enjoyed the lesson. :)
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
Why not now make a rank of 256 ft organ pipes.
Pressing bottom-C pedal, you won't be able to actually hear anything, but ....................
You might just make contact with a parallel universe.
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
everytime i watch this video my left eyelid twitches. Why?!?
faxmanloveswaffles 1 year ago
Where does the actual sound come from? Does it emanate from the end of the pipes, or from the reed "tongue" or both, or vibration of the entire pipe?
djttv 1 year ago
@djttv Hi! This is actually an electronic experiment to see what the effect would be were one to build real pipes for these frequencies
latribe 1 year ago
@latribe you've got a really nice accent! Where abouts in England are you from? Or do you speak RP?
MrPresidentToBe 1 year ago
@MrPresidentToBe :-) Even RP has its variations! I come from south east England and I recall being amused by the change of inflexion in a friend's speech after he had spent three years at Oxford university.
latribe 1 year ago
@djttv Hi djttv. with an open pipe (diapason/principal/fifteenth) air is drawn into the mouth and exits via the top so the sound comes mainly from the top.
With a stopped pipe (stopped diapason/bourdon etc) the sound exits through the mouth.
With a reed pipe (cornopian/trompette/tromba/ophecliede/contra-trombone etc) the pipe acts like an orchestral oboe. Air passes through a brass 'reed' which forces it to vibrate against a palette, most of the sound exits via the top of the pipe.
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
128 feet? How is your house still intact after that?
iloverush123 1 year ago
Wonderful feeling to feel the 32' stops shaking the place in tune with the higher pitched pedal pipes.
robertgift 1 year ago
You have an actual five manual organ at your house? Lucky.
Desmaad 1 year ago
@Desmaad Yes - lucky to have space - but such luck imposes a responsibility to use it well - and this instrument is to raise the profile and appreciation of organ music and repertoire. If you look at the Organ Matters website, and the posting "too late" you'll see why I have created this instrument with such passion. It was 3 manuals when I first acquired it and I added the further two . . .
latribe 1 year ago
"Most unmusical, but great fun." *loooooooooool*
;o)
Great video!
siganese 1 year ago
Very interesting effect. ! The bas sounds more deeply :)
florianchurch 1 year ago
the neighbors must love you ( at 1:27 he gets so excited he jizz's in his pants)
mrdavidsmithism 1 year ago
wow
hipieman333 1 year ago
My subwoofer was making my room shake while you were playing this.
Shade0591 1 year ago
Waste of time, in my opinion....stops are supposed to be "musical"...not flatulent noisemakers...
RonRizzy 1 year ago
@RonRizzy Hi! Yes - of course I agree - but listen to the video "Latrobian Whirl" and you'll hear the organist using it on a couple of notes. It supports full organ above it
latribe 1 year ago
well! seven dipshits out there!!!! I liked it.
ilovebobthecat 1 year ago
There is a 64' Gravissima in the Wanamaker organ, a resultant of a 32' stop plus a 21 - 2/3 played together and I have both heard and felt the effect. It is unfortunate that I cant hear what you have done in person. Not very impressive through my lap top speakers im afraid.
MrFixit150 1 year ago
Human hearing does not extend to 8hz or 4 hz.. waste of time. might benifit from upper harmonics and enjoy the thump you feel.
MrFixit150 1 year ago
@MrFixit150 Hi! Yes- that's what I thought till I tried it. As part of a large sound, it actually supports the higher harmonics of the harmony on full organ and sounds awesome. Search "Latrobian Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on a couple of notes
latribe 1 year ago
@MrFixit150 Why not better integrate a hemisync unit that couples into brain waves in a musically controllable ways through stereo beat frequencies?
AerialTheShamen 1 year ago
This is John Nozum from Moundsville, WV (USA). I am an organist myself. I REALLY enjoyed your video! I guess that you and I both are trying to see how big of a pipe organ that we can emulate! This past Spring, I managed to put together an organ with about 2,000 ranks, including 256' pipes (through computer and MIDI, of course)! I guess that you and I both have a taste for some serious crescendo! May God's peace be with you always!
From John Nozum
JNozum 1 year ago
@JNozum Hi! Yes! And now I have the Tuba stop on the Choir, as it should be, able to compete with the whole of the rest of the organ put together. This instrument is now starting to sound very fine - see "French Baroque Masterclass" "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" to hear it being put through its paces. It's much much better now than it was when some of the earlier YouTube recordings were done on it.
latribe 1 year ago
@JNozum Hi! What a GREAT project! It would be nice if you might be able to join the Organ Matters discussion forum and tell us more about your experiments!
latribe 1 year ago
huh i did not know some organs could have 128 foot pipes in the petals, i always thought it would just go up to 64 otherwise no human could be able to here it, fascinating
DoctorNeoCortex72 1 year ago
well really 64 is the largest, there are two real ones, in the world, the midmer losh in boardwalk hall in atlantic city, and the municipal organ in sydny australia.
The midmer losh though does have a resultant 128 with real pipes though when the 64 diaphone and the 48 tuba imperial are coupled together when playing.
but a real 128 would be too big and would not really be heard to be practical in a real organ. the rest is just digital sound if its a 128 done by lowering the octave.
manga12 1 year ago
@manga12 The idea of this is just to see what it _would_ sound like if someone was daft enough to do it. In fact it does support large chords on full organ very well
latribe 1 year ago
Right well it would be felt in the sound of the feel of the music more then heard by ear, but it goes without saying, there is confusion that there is a real 128 pipe in a church in germany that goes from floor to top of ceiling, and its more digital then what not.
manga12 1 year ago
@manga12 Hi! Yes - that German video is a big joke - but it was an inspiration behind my trying to see what it really would sound like!
latribe 1 year ago
Who want BASS??!! :D
Rubysh88 1 year ago
i saW pipes but he said speaker...which 1 is it??
allenorgan27 1 year ago
@allenorgan27 Hi! This is electronic using speakers. The pipe instrument is entirely separate.
latribe 1 year ago
At the bottom of the 128ft you can actually count the vibrations- four per second =)
turbosprint 1 year ago
@turbosprint - Really! =)
HGozzer 1 year ago
#LOL What's the point of having a pipe that's such a low frequency that it just goes "fwump fwump fwump fwump", shatters the cathedral windows and gives the old man at the back of the room a heart attack when the sheer concussion of it causes cardiac arrhythmia?
weylin6 1 year ago
Fuck yes. Dubstep on the organ.
crushy3 1 year ago
I had read somewhere, that in the 18th century or so, in Germany, there were plans to build an organ with a 256 ft and a 512 ft stop. I highly doubt they were ever built. Could you imagine a 512 ft stop? That would be like, 0.5 Hz! Far below the normal hearing range of a human. Not only that, it would probably cause a cathedral to collapse!
vortexxman 1 year ago 12
@vortexxman Interesting. But without mechanical blowing one would think that pipes of such dimensions would be difficult to wind.
latribe 1 year ago
@vortexxman that would be more like floor shaking, wall crumbling, knock stuff over, crap your pants than a musical note
petey815 1 year ago
Ha ha i might try cimbelstern some time :D Nice job i must say... You got that part from Albi quite good...
Mitsugejl 1 year ago
Ha ha i might try cimbelstern some time :D Nice job i must say...
Mitsugejl 1 year ago
I bet that your neighbours love you.
starkey7uk 1 year ago
is there really a cathedral in germany that has a 128' register? in the video response I could not hear any 128'-unless it was not a reed. Do you know?
juaniluco888 1 year ago
@juaniluco888 Hi! No. It's a spoof - but a really fun one and indeed it was that that inspired me to try it to see what it might sound or feel like and as to whether it might have any legitmate part in what we appreciate as music. If you go to the video "Latrobian Whirl" I think the organist used it on a couple of big notes . . .
latribe 1 year ago
i would fuckin hate to be your neighbor
bobscore35 1 year ago 34
@bobscore35 :-) Yes - I am responsible for local earthquakes
latribe 1 year ago
@latribe heheh =)
MrOgidni 1 year ago
@bobscore35
I couldn't stop laughing when I read your comment. I would love to be his neighbour, but would prefer it if I was basically deaf.
pianoplayeruk 4 months ago
Listen/watch Frederick Hohman playing Widors Tocatta on youtube for a superb sound.
silverstartrucker 1 year ago
Sounds like a Ship Engine, called Diesel Sound.
Or men at Work with a "Presslufthammer", or in a Metalfactory, these machines making tin cans.
GaldorCiryatan 1 year ago
If I heard a sufficiently loud wind instrument going at 3-4 hz, I'd think I was having involuntary convulsions!
pigeonshouse 1 year ago
super excellent! i love it, thanks :)
spicyvOHMitsnack 1 year ago
this does sound like a tractor! it sounds just like a '99 or 2000 or 2001 international school bus at idle
AcaAllertor127 1 year ago
Interesting, but I don't see why there is any point in having a 128 foot sound, even a 64 foot is unnecessary because when you add that with something, higher notes will drain out the 64 and 128 foot sounds, so I think a 32 foot is enough.
trainz10 2 years ago 3
:-) Well that's exactly why I wanted to carry out the experiment. In fact it does actually harmonically support chords above it. Have a listen to "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on some notes if your speakers can cope.
latribe 2 years ago
wait--- so you have a mammoth organ like that in your GARAGE? or where is that??
flyboy21141 2 years ago
It's a historic house in Sussex which is open to the public in the summer and where we try to show people why "heritage" of the past is relevant, why it should be preserved and where we promote concerts and musicians. We hope that by exploring the cutting edge of presenting what is often considered "uncool" with scholarly enthusiasm we can add new dimensions of musical experience which makes it greatly exciting.
latribe 2 years ago
Some internet people complained that the 'mad scientist' image of Hollywood movies ruined the pipe organ's reputation. But I expect that in a world where reason (or banal capitalism?) will triumph over hell threats and comming generations abandon churches, such associations may even help to keep it in their mind. In few decades mankind will much rather fabour Frankenstein than Jesus as their role model, thus fantasys like Captain Nemo, superheroes and villains at organs is the way to work with.
AerialTheShamen 1 year ago
@AerialTheShamen You've got issues, dude. :)
JohnoUsenko 1 year ago
I have to agree the recording deficiencies and following compression, storage, retrieval, decompression, and reproduction on inadequate consumer-grade electronic sound reproduction gear is going to impact the ability to experience what you have done there. That being said, I have auditioned material played on that organ as equipped with the 128' stop and the effect IS noticeable. Obviously not a "note", definitely an "effect", somewhat percussive but without the attack of percussion.
kb7dqh 2 years ago
What happens here is that it interferes with the automatic volume control of the camera . . . The effect is actually felt rather than heard but it supports the harmonic structure of chords above. Some of our recordings do feature the stop. Search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear an amazing performance where the organist uses it on certain notes for deliberate effect.
This video is just the beginning of the story . . . the result is in performance. Search "Hugh Potton Reubke"
latribe 2 years ago
@latribe I have listened to both, and Jacob's Toccata and Fugue in D minor, and it really does its job when Ben Scott used it to great effect when he played the Widor Toccata, probably could make a cut of that for "Organ makes a rude noise II" when he missed the pedal, the beat resulting from that 1/3hz "error"
was "intriguing". Dissonance at its finest!
Wondering if the 128' was coupled to a higher-octave register at the time? If you can't remember, that's fine:-)
kb7dqh 2 years ago
Hi! It would certainly have been coupled into a 32ft pitch - whether or not any higher ones I haven't a clue . . . Glad that this has produced some amusement - I always wondered what it would really "sound" like
latribe 2 years ago
Is this a pipe or electric organ?
HHDougyT 2 years ago
Hi! It's electric and I have put it together as an experimental and inspirational breadboard for exploration of new ideas for pipe organs and also to demonstrate the King of Instruments for concerts.
Search "Latrobian Dionysian Whirl" to hear this organ in action under the fingers of one of the world's leading organists. He used the 128ft on a note or two as well as my brilliant dirty trumpets which have now been refined - search "French Baroque Masterclass" and you'll find the Grand Jeu
latribe 2 years ago
What is the point when there is nothing written for these noises? Playing the organ should be about the music rather than playing with electronics.
MrAdrianGunning 2 years ago
Of course. Yes - I agree with you - at first sight a reasonable comment. But the purpose is to explore - "what if". What if Bill Gates sponsors a new organ to be built and it's going to be the most amazing organ in the world - just what would a 128ft stop sound like? What would it do?
The experience and reality here in recital is that it is felt and it actually underpins the harmonic structure above. Search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" for a great organist giving it a spin in a brilliant piece.
latribe 2 years ago
those lowest of notes really can be used to generate an outstanding atmosphere.
SparhawkGT 2 years ago
The 32' is the lowest pipe used for music.
The 64' is the lowest pipe used for effect.
The 128' is the lowest pipe used for lunatics.
But then again.... a pipe organ with over 30,000 pipes is not too far short of lunacy, and it sounds awesome.
5 stars for experimentation sake.
bull912000 2 years ago
ha, but it sounds ...!
igorsvjati 2 years ago
WOW. Even MY windows and doors and even my computer were shakin thanks to my 6 in base on my computer. Thats amazing!
BubbyStupidhand 2 years ago
This a great subwoofer-test! Nice experiment. 4 and 8 Hz. damn :D
knightwolf200612 2 years ago
my house also shakes, lol ;)
jorgecarrillo2 2 years ago
I find this very interesting but I am a total layman, what are the "stops" referred to? Are they used for adding extra low frequency notes to provide extra body to a section of music?
peletonkambing 2 years ago
All the knobs you see on an organ are the stops. Each stop has a different sound, and often a different pitch. They are labelled with numbers - 16, 8, 4, 2 2/3, 2, 1 1/3, 1. These refer to the length of a pipe playing the bottom C on the keyboard. 8ft is standard pitch, 4ft is an octave up, 16ft an octave down - so you get the picture. 32ft is two octaves down, 64 and 128 are 3 and 4 down. Then each pitch comes in different tones, Principal, Flute, Stopped or Reeds like trumpets and oboes.
latribe 2 years ago
Therefore, you have proven... by definition and tone... Electronic simulation, as in this video GREATLY EXAGGERATE the REAL implications of the sounds... I've ALWAYS believed... the "Experts" may believe electronics can accurately represent actual audio resonance... But in application, it's proven time and again... The electronic "simulations" greatly exaggerate the effects the testers are trying to "prove." In reality, the electronic simulation of the setting is WAY OFF from REALITY!!!
rcmodelr 2 years ago
Well actually this is no simulation of reality because the reality of a 128ft does not exist. I wanted to experiment to see what it might "sound" like and whether it would have any place in the musical realm. Performances have shown that it can do . . . search "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" to hear a piece where the organist used it for a few notes.
In practice it underpins the harmonics of large chords and audiences feel it. It demonstrates to the nightclub scene that there is music more powerful.
latribe 2 years ago
128'...isn't that like 4hz? A little ridiculous but, hey, why not? Better to have it and not need it than............ :D
flyurway 2 years ago 11
Get those windows shaking!
theaterpipe1 2 years ago 4
Hey not bad at all that was rattling my doors :)
inregionecaecorum 2 years ago
Fantastic!
Just hope your next door neighbors
aren't trying to nap.
4freespeech 2 years ago
where do you get all that air for it?
bettyd3345 2 years ago
well the last big organ i saw had a huge *** induction blower in the basement
immadodgeguy 2 years ago
Wow! That really rattles the devil and the dust out of my sub woofer!! cheers!
A440Hzzz 2 years ago
is this organ in a church of venue??
BassPedal2009 2 years ago
It's a historic house in Sussex UK where I am trying to get the organ as an instrument back on the mainstream concert repertoire and in particularly for people who would not dare to venture a foot into church.
If we don't make efforts to give the organ a universal appeal, the organ and its heritage and its music will die. A whole department of New York University at Purchase has died for lack of interest.
Look up "St Maximin Bach" for an organ and a performance that will blow you away.
latribe 2 years ago
my church NEVER uses the organ. im the only one that plays it. people i guess just preferr the piano over the organ. plus, the piano i think it a bit easier to manage.
BassPedal2009 2 years ago
That's sad. Why not give the others a bit of instruction on the organ and perhaps try some Couperin? Quite easy - but play quavers as dotted, a jaunty rhythm - and all the French Baroque music is free to download on the internet. See my other videos, especially with respect to French Baroque or St Maximin for ideas.
The sound of each note on the piano dies away. It is ephemeral and superficial. The organ is constant. It is always there. Symbolic of permanence - omnipresent and everlasting
latribe 2 years ago
it really is. its a nice instrument too a 1959 shantz in great condition other than the resovoirs leak alittle. Im not in the music ministry but i read somewhere that organs and go out of tune and mess with the pipes if not played. The organ isn't in a position to be played for daily mass either for the reason that it is in the way back of the church and the choir is in the front.
BassPedal2009 2 years ago
Hello, same problem in Sweden.Every church has an organ that in most cases works and is fully playable,but unfortunately most organists and kantors choose to sit at the piano and TRY to play "pop" hymns,to which no body sings.its just a total embarassement. we have an amazing organ culture over here with every sort of instrument possible,from the big romantic cathedral,to the small 1 man, all wood pipes chappel.
undamaris1 2 years ago
Hi! Yes - it's awful and it results in the destruction that we see in my video "A plea for organs", and it's also the reason why I am exploring the excitement of the French Baroque in repertoire and organs which seems to be rather unduly neglected. But with "trumpets fit for the arrival of the king" one has to sit up and take notice.
In the 1950s there was a naff musical in England called "Salad Days" - quite enjoyable really but not high culture. I object to hymns that sound like those songs.
latribe 2 years ago
That is amazing! It is so deep, and that is what an organ should be.
theaterpipe1 2 years ago
That's a good experiment. Gregg Bailey claims he has a 64' PVC subcontrabass clarinet which could also play down to the 128' C (or CCCCC or C-2 or 4.09 Hz). Even though most people are unable to hear (but can feel!) 4-Hz notes, the presence of such low frequencies can make symphony and philharmonic orchestras as well as most organs and pianos have a 'fuller' presence. Also I wish more organs would have provisions to play 64' and 128' notes. Very fascinating!
glenn3rd2004 2 years ago
Um...
can you get us some fundimental?
y11971alex 2 years ago
That's funny, I heard the same thing when I sat on the toilet...
Hah, I jest. That's an amazing instrument you played; you're quite fortunate to have had a go on it!
Funkypotat0 2 years ago
soo epic. is that stock or were there modifications made?
Pacifiesta 2 years ago
maybe that made the great 1907 earthquake
atherrien95 2 years ago 2
lol u never know....
ownerfate 2 years ago
Nice car engine. lol
gibb744 2 years ago
what kinda of piano is that ???
mudog35 2 years ago
It's what is known as the King of Instruments - it's an organ: but people hear organs less nowadays because
- church attendance has fallen,
- many churches have abandoned their organs for bad and temporary electronics, or drums and guitars,
- many church organs are played badly by pianists who don't know what splendid repertoire there is for the King of Instruments
- organs are no longer heard in cinemas
So go seek out a place with an organ - and make sure it's played well!
latribe 2 years ago
agreed. im the only one that plays at my parish except for weddings. They don't even use it on holidays anymore its a shame. Its nice organ too a Shantz 1959.
BassPedal2009 2 years ago
Part of the problem is, try finding competent organ instructors these days. At least in the southeast USA, (Florida), it is very difficult to find competent organists that are willing to give instruction, and the very few that do exist have an extremely busy schedule.
OrganPianoGuitar 2 years ago
16v stops can be wery powerfull because the pich is faster and ,more resonate.
However it is not imposible to build a thrue 128' stop. And don't be suprised If the are devoloping one right now. But you can't use it. The pitch is to slow, and the note way to powerfull.
ArieVisker 2 years ago
I had the chance to play the Theatre Organ in the San Francisco Civic Center a number of years ago. If I remember right it had a 64' Bourdon which you could feel. I think the Theatre Organ in the old Chicago Stadiumhad a 64' also.
HA6425 2 years ago
you'd need a superb condenser mic of very small size to pick that up accurately, transcribed direct to digital tape or CD.
turtleFLxanth 2 years ago
Lol 3:27 Is that James May lol?!
Foxxnioxx 2 years ago
lmao, seems like him, sweater for sure :P
05Forenza 2 years ago
"Most unmusical but great fun." :)
Sonnedude 2 years ago 2
I'm not sure if it's 'unmusical'. There are infact several substantive 64' stops in existance, and there is one example in the USA of a derived 128' stop. But certainly this is really fun, I think it's just great!!
ds1868 2 years ago
well we can shake the entire cathedral with just 16ft ones and 32 ones, i wonder what will happen if a 64 ft or 128 ft stop would go on and on full organ i think the roof of st. peter's biscilica will fall on the pope's head!!lol!!
kviky0 2 years ago 3
'I might try zimbelstern sometime.'
I actually crack out a wee-bit of a giggle there. I have no idea why., but somehow the mixed imagery of chimes, zimbelstern and a 64 flue makes me laugh.
Helkaluin 2 years ago
:-) Yes! The instrument is meant to be fun - an experiment of everything you always wanted to be on an organ! The result of this is that perhaps one can make better decisions in specifying a pipe organ to be built . . .
latribe 2 years ago
But then, one of the jobs of an organist is to make use of the limited sonic resources at hand, isn't it?
Of course, some say this sort of organ technology is an advance in the instrument, some say soon everything will be played to 'the optimum' registration and the meaning of registration would be dead.
Pessimistic ramblings aside, forget the Zimbelstern. Why not try the good old fashioned Fuchsschwank or Noli me tangere? I do think it's time for some flying weasel pranks.
Helkaluin 2 years ago
you crazy man! should found an organ builder company!!! ;)
pjps1234 2 years ago
Have you ever come across the 64 foot rank of the Midmer Losh organ at the Atlantic City Convention Hall? What are your thoughts on that?
nexgenhippy 2 years ago
That instrument is WILD! Unfortunately I have not come over to America to experience it - but one day would love to.
latribe 2 years ago
Im gonna go over for the full tour one day, but ill wait till its playing (at least in part) again.
nexgenhippy 2 years ago
are you a crazy professor or something like that. very amussing. ;)
cooolbreeeze 2 years ago 2
Very interesting and entertaining. I haven't seen such concepts put into action. Where is the organ housed now? Thanks for a great post! C
ukorganist 2 years ago
At Hammerwood Park near East Grinstead. All organists are welcome to come and practice by mutual arrangement - most times are convenient. And if anyone likes to play informally over tea on a Wednesday or Saturday afternoon at 3.30pm after a 2pm guided tour from June to the end of September, the purpose of the instrument is to introduce the organ as an instrument to people: many people not having experienced organs in church nor in cinemas nowadays are entirely unaware of the King of Instruments
latribe 2 years ago