Wittgenstein and Color

[GoldenFinchFellow]

maybe the reason you see it as foggy or cloudy is cause all of the colors have their place within "white" so you can't choose what shades to focus on and which to block out so the imagined image looks like clouds moving through it of uncertainty. where as an other color gives a direct reference to only block out a certain level of color in the lets say purple range. so everything still looks really clear? so still for me it's no different but incredibly fun to think about :D thanks

[GoldenFinchFellow]

but you can imagine transparent black? when I think of transparent color I think of looking at a solid color and all definition is just shading of what ever color. So for me it's no different then other colors. but it seems like any color is taking away a shade of the full spectrum of light to show it's own self and so I don't see shading as white and have no clue how you see transparent black! keep in mind I have no reference of this book to know what you're talking about :)

[GoldenFinchFellow]

it might mean I just can't visualize transparent colors at all! only translucent? like turning up the transparent color more and more eventually you would still see everything in shades but the details are only shades of the transparent color and eventually at the limit of my eyes ability to detect differences in shade only black...

So if I put yellow shaded glasses on is that not transparent?

So now I have no clue :( you've blown my unworldly view.

[openmindset]

This book is not about color!!! Not theories, concepts, psychology, physiology, or physics of color, transparencies, color blindness, ...W. is a philosopher and this book is about philosophy. Of the mind! Color perception is just one of the ways he uses to "try" to show philosophers their illusion that there must be a "thing" (concrete, ethereal, whatever), called mind, where visual images are staged, observed, memorized... "It is easy to understand what I say. Why I say it is not.". Indeed.

[Cimbolic]

@openmindset

I believe you are reading-in to this book.

The book consists of extracts from his journals. He did not publish.

He does state at one point in the book that he is looking for a "logic of color".

I do not recall the book saying anything about trying to "show philosphers their illusion that there must be a 'thing'", etc.

As I say, these are extracts from his journals. Hence, the style is like he is talking to himself.

[openmindset]

@Cimbolic Unfortunately, Txs for your response. I don't have access to the book to continue a more intelligent debate. But two things: 1) W. does say that It is easy to understand what he says, but not whyhe says it - an invitation for read-ins of his writings (the PI as a best example) 2) W. believed that logic is a creation of man, not a quality of reality to be pursued empirically. I am curious about the context of your quote on him "looking for" a "logic of color". It is very not him.

[LiradeTerpsichore]

I feel like you are not looking at what I say. I give you several examples of transparent white and you keep answering with your previously fixed thoughts.

Several kind of glasses, are a good example of several transparent whites, or a proof that you are looking at a transparent white, when you look at ordinary glass.

[Cimbolic]

It is not a matter of fixed thought.

It is a matter of the visual imagination.

If you mean to say that transparent, "clear", glass is acutally tranparent "white", then I disagree because it is colorless not white.

[LiradeTerpsichore]

In Ice... all gradations, and in light.

Deneb is white - a star- if our earth was iluminated by Deneb, light would be transparent white.

As our sun is ... there's some yellow,gold glow in our sun light. As you know moon-light is whiter.

[Cimbolic]

This is very interesting.

[LiradeTerpsichore]

:) hi i had posted other reply which didn't work. :)

[LiradeTerpsichore]

That's the same with (other) colours.

100% transparent is glass. There too there are a lot of gradations. "museum" glass is much more transparent then ordinary glass.

[Cimbolic]

Yes. But I can easily imagine a transparent blue.

White, however, doesn't work for me. The closest i get is a kind of "milky".

[LiradeTerpsichore]

i Like Wittgenstein a lot, but I can perfectly well imagine transparent white, and you too....

It's also used in painting...

Just look at those thin transparent white curtains that we use on our windows...

[Cimbolic]

I would say those are "translucent", rather than "transparent".

[Tishuku]

Nice video Cimbolic

I think that with the new medicine in progress to cure the "colorblind/diatonic" or Spanish "daltonico", they could have a much easy approach to the answer.

And for me we cant image a transparent white because we don't have it in our knowledge.

Great video I will asked you a video of you job investigator private what you do and your steps xD .

[Cimbolic]

Thanks, Tishuku.

If a color-blind person takes a medication and loses their color-blindness, I would love to hear how they then describe it. That would be fascinating.

I will do a private-eye vid for you. There's a case of color-blindness. Film noir, black and white reality. :)

[Lachance8]

Nick, I really never thought about how it would be to be color blind. You would definitely perceive things differently. I think it is interesting that studies done show that the color red ,(my favorite color) sells more products than any other color. Certain colors bring out different emotions. I agree that colors are an emotional statement for sure! Love ya!

[Cimbolic]

My father was red-green color-blind.

It must make Christmas wrapping much less interesting.

There is even a yellow-blue color-blindness.

What is curious to me is that we don't seem to be able to image a completely new color. We are caught between red and violet.

Maybe a new emotion would come with a new color.

Lots of love, Elizabeth.

[melodymoments]

Oh Thank you.. I do try. To be honest with you, Soon as I'm feeling a little better Id like to do some other stuff on here, maybe some video response's , Im getting quite into it now, ( Now I'm not so scared.. Smiles...)

Much love

Mxxx

[Cimbolic]

Video responses are fun to do. You'll like 'em. And you're great on camera, too.

Much love back at ya, bella.

- Cim

[melodymoments]

Hi, Really Interesting vid, made me think alot about what you were saying, Although I dont know the book, Its now one I will look up.

Thanks for your insight.

Mx

[Cimbolic]

Thanks, Melody. Glad you like the video.

And I LOVE your latest cat video !!!!!!!!!

[gogreen18]

Great video nick! I loved the book too...and guess who gave it to me? I'll give you a hint: he has great taste in books! :P

[Cimbolic]

Thanks, Laci ! :)

Are you excited about Berkeley? (like I don't know the answer).

:)

[bebop54]

wow ! great commentary & topic nick! ! ..

language games of color ...heehee

one can refer to the color by the substance from where it comes ..much more accurates.,,

each color varies in transparency..

...so many different whites & blacks ...

i found it interesting that white was difficult for some of you guys to visualize as transparent..

what's really interesting is finding out how other people see images in their minds eye ...

[bebop54]

ps-color is better approached thru intuition & not logic ...one must feel the color to understand it ....

[Cimbolic]

Thanks, bebop.

I am color blind to tranparent white. :)

I agree re feeling colors.

Colors as emotional statements (rather than logical statements).

There can be a progression of emotions evoked by a progression of colors. And color can have mood, and nuance.

Combining color and music.

[verdaccio]

color of nothingness could be an alternative title to no exit

being and color, color in itself, color for itself, color ego,

[Cimbolic]

Those are great books!

Being and Nothingness, The Transcendence of the Ego.

Nausea is great, too. I suppose it is a dull green.

[DawahFilms]

I've always thought that! Why can't I think of a transparent white? I imagine that is what "nothing" would be.

[Cimbolic]

It's great that this question has occurred to you before. Linking it to nothingness is very interesting.

What is the color of nothingness?

Transparent white.

:)

[phillippi2]

Sounds like an interesting book; I ought to check it out.

This reminds me of the video that I'm working on; except mine's not about the philosophy in colors, but the psychology behind them.

[Cimbolic]

Color psychology is fascinating.

I look forward to your video, phillippi.