Time will eventually heal the wounds and Axl will let go of his shit, and they will reunite and kick some serious ass. The band is Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven (no disrespect to Matt Sorum, who is awesome). These 5 guys made arguably the greatest rock n' roll record ever, and it would be a shame if they never got back together. Can you imagine the hype for a true reunion of the 5 original Gunners?....Wow! Long live GNR.
Damn it, this was GOOD! I don't understand why Slash, Duff, Steven, Matt, and Izzy just won't sue Axl for the rights to the name and go on tour without him. Yes, I know...it won't be the same. But damn it, these guys are pushing 50, and rock and roll tends to shorten your life expectancy. These guys better do it now while they still have the chance.
if this guys don't reunite, i will fucking use the same technology from Avatar and make this whole damm band in my digital world. with the original guns and some with the 1991 line up. I am growing tired of begging this assholes to reunite for us the fans.
Maya and Motionbuilder will be the tools of use. Hope to make some money too since this dicks don't wanna make the money themselves.
ohh mann.. no Duff, at least they got the two guitarists :) Awesome players, awesome songwriters. I think Izzy is underrated though, he didn't get the recognition he deserved
i'd have nothing against this being the new GNR......jUST if they'd drag Izzy and that's it.i think he's come pretty fast now that ROSE the cocksucker's outta the picture :DDD
this is orginally from adlers at guns n roses , apetite for destruction..no one can drum it better than himslef!! :D .... Damn slash us the hearth of any band
@cparr1981 , sure man, that's Jizzy Pearl, legendary vocalist of Love/Hate and later L.A.Guns.... He's a great singer, check out his solo album called "Just A Boy", awesome...
well... steven plays a different style... sorum was the perfect drummer for UYI and adler was perfect for appetite... but anyway... 2 amazing drummers...
Matt Sorum was/is good, but good ol' Steve just has the fucking groove! He's definitely the most "organic" drummer GNR ever had, what he lacked in technical skills, was overshadowed by his feel for sure.
I hope Duff plays with them again, it souns great. I mean seriously, 4 of the 5 original members playing in a band. Anyways they would be better than Velvet and the new guns. This reminds me of when gnr played at Ritz, a small club, this is how gnr is supposed to be.
which ones izzy its gotta be the one with the white sg cuz that other guy moves around to much to be izzy izzy kinda jus stands there in all the old gnr videos hes funny in the old interviews cuz he never hardly talked
actually no, slash quit the band as he says in his book, and he said that axl was driving him to almost commit suicide so he could never work with axl again
but he has said in a interview that if they were going to do a reunion show that he would do it cause it would be amazing and fun which i think it would be to :)
actually slash doesn't hate axl... slash wanted a reunion, adler said axl was being selfish by not wanting that reunion specially that it was only because of slash
dude sorry i ment to put a thumbs up anyway yea that would be the shit but even if duff slash steven and izzy got back together and found a new singer that would also be the shit
i blame axl for steven leaving... no one on gnr would fire him cuz i heard slash say before that him duff and steven were cool and axl was the power hungry whore.. it's nice to see them togeter again without any dousches
how can you people say that steven is a nice guy? he cant stay off the dope. have you seen celebrity rehab or sober house? he's a fucking loser and hateful asshole to everybody!!! Matt sorum was a waaayyy better drummer than steven anyway. thereis no way an original lineup would happen. a reunion with izzy slash and duff yes but even i wouldn't support it if steven adler was there. this loser needs to go away and never be heard from again
doing drugs doesnt not make you a horrible person. yes matt is a better drummer. BUT steven adler i feel is a better drummer for guns and roses. He is the definition of a Rock drummer
Matt is not "a better drummer" than Adler...unless you like flat sounding drum machines..allthough I liked him with The Cult. Adler fits GNR so much better.
This gave me a chill up my spine. SO fucking cool to see Slash, Izzy, and Steven Adler playing together. I think we all know Duff would be in, now if Axl would stop being a selfish prick...
imagine what a new GNR record with the original lineup would sound like~!!!!
They would make so much money they could buy their own country and call it AXL, and fill it with dolphin aquariums, yoga instructors, and personal stylists. Maybe then Mr. Rose would be happy.
eventhough steven's out of beat a bit but you know...this is what made Guns the untamed fury of a band back when they first came up...and i miss this in the band...heck i miss any kind of music from the band...but this reminds me of when they were young and hungry
Even though the quality of this video is poor, a true fan can identify Izzy Stradlin from the other two guitarists, who bounce around like amateurs. Slash and Izzy perform w/out having to jump around like fairys.
I would love nothing more than the original Guns n Roses reform, but I just finished Slash's autobiography, and from that it sounds like there will never be a reunion :(
Damn it!! They're doing every thing BUT having a proper reunion!! they're all obviously back in the swing of playing, {and playing awesomely at that!!}, so i just don't get it!! but anyway, i'm still supporting them all, whatever!!!
great great great!!!!!!!!!!!! but I truly miss axl`s voice and attitude on stage! but thanks for giving us the illusion that maaaaayyyybeeee one day..... ;o)
Yeh its weird Sorum is way more skilled in terms of chops, tempo steadiness, etc etc, but Steven Adler just sounds more appealing when he plays, when Sorum took over everything sounded slick from then on.
Due to the video quality that may or may not be Slash and Izzy but I take your word for it.
borikualoco 4 months ago
MTF....Real guns and roses!!!
abehalford 7 months ago
Fuck that fucking motherfucker Axl fucktard. Stevie's the reason Appetite was so killer.
hisvorpalsword 10 months ago
Time will eventually heal the wounds and Axl will let go of his shit, and they will reunite and kick some serious ass. The band is Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven (no disrespect to Matt Sorum, who is awesome). These 5 guys made arguably the greatest rock n' roll record ever, and it would be a shame if they never got back together. Can you imagine the hype for a true reunion of the 5 original Gunners?....Wow! Long live GNR.
cmcastro30 1 year ago 3
now they just need Duff.....
lpguitarsaregreat 1 year ago
Damn it, this was GOOD! I don't understand why Slash, Duff, Steven, Matt, and Izzy just won't sue Axl for the rights to the name and go on tour without him. Yes, I know...it won't be the same. But damn it, these guys are pushing 50, and rock and roll tends to shorten your life expectancy. These guys better do it now while they still have the chance.
jaywhofan 1 year ago
@jaywhofan they can't sue him, because he owns the name.
henfjel 11 months ago
@henfjel They can sue him for the ownership of the name. If they do and reach some kind of agreement, they can go on tour without him.
jaywhofan 11 months ago
not keen on the singing
Studas2006 1 year ago
el cantante no mola
Alfanawer 1 year ago
good to see Slash Izzy and Steven are playing together again
NASCAR90 1 year ago 3
whe was that?
pepehardy 1 year ago
i never knew that sweet ass lick was played by izzy....in the intro
DudeXMyster 1 year ago
izzY!!!!!!!!!
Darkside259 1 year ago 2
if this guys don't reunite, i will fucking use the same technology from Avatar and make this whole damm band in my digital world. with the original guns and some with the 1991 line up. I am growing tired of begging this assholes to reunite for us the fans.
Maya and Motionbuilder will be the tools of use. Hope to make some money too since this dicks don't wanna make the money themselves.
Watch me!!
IntoxicatedTV 1 year ago 3
@IntoxicatedTV And then?? You still can't see a concert or hear now songs
ajaxrulzz 1 year ago
@IntoxicatedTV
Fucking kill yourself.
JorshWarshington 7 months ago
@JorshWarshington
lmao
IntoxicatedTV 6 months ago
ohh mann.. no Duff, at least they got the two guitarists :) Awesome players, awesome songwriters. I think Izzy is underrated though, he didn't get the recognition he deserved
Disco234jockey 1 year ago
i'd have nothing against this being the new GNR......jUST if they'd drag Izzy and that's it.i think he's come pretty fast now that ROSE the cocksucker's outta the picture :DDD
LOONEYahahahahahaXD 1 year ago
this is orginally from adlers at guns n roses , apetite for destruction..no one can drum it better than himslef!! :D .... Damn slash us the hearth of any band
lessmann009 2 years ago
Addler sounds more raw than Sorum and Sorum sounds more technical.
Taurusaud 2 years ago 5
My favourite bit of sorum is the first half o estranged
DiarmaidGNR 1 year ago
when was this taped?
thejackass8 2 years ago
this guy sing better than scott this song...
cparr1981 2 years ago 5
@cparr1981 , sure man, that's Jizzy Pearl, legendary vocalist of Love/Hate and later L.A.Guns.... He's a great singer, check out his solo album called "Just A Boy", awesome...
Fuck my eyes!! This stuff is killer!
Roniel81 2 years ago 3
Hearns wants 2 know where his alchohol is ? Ra'
ConnerKent9 2 years ago
i have a question, do rythm quitar players also get to do solos? in this case Izzy...
gonicito 2 years ago
there is no rule saying that rythm players can't do solos, it's maybe not that usual, but when izzy does it, it's great, just listen to nightrain^^
spekte 2 years ago 4
well... steven plays a different style... sorum was the perfect drummer for UYI and adler was perfect for appetite... but anyway... 2 amazing drummers...
1rockforever 2 years ago 3
damnn cooooooooooooooooollll, luky bastards on that place XD
lessmann009 2 years ago
they must have had flashbacks..
zari194 2 years ago 6
Damn, So Close, and So Far Away...
Marko0190 2 years ago 5
steven has the groove, is different i like better steven!
pedritoantonio 2 years ago 7
Matt Sorum was/is good, but good ol' Steve just has the fucking groove! He's definitely the most "organic" drummer GNR ever had, what he lacked in technical skills, was overshadowed by his feel for sure.
RickyboyH 2 years ago 44
@RickyboyH
exactly the same for the buckethead vs slash argument
Hughespipe 1 year ago
@RickyboyH i agree
dimebuckerpickups 1 year ago
Keep On Rocking guys!
double91trouble 2 years ago 2
I hope Duff plays with them again, it souns great. I mean seriously, 4 of the 5 original members playing in a band. Anyways they would be better than Velvet and the new guns. This reminds me of when gnr played at Ritz, a small club, this is how gnr is supposed to be.
CDCustomGuitars 2 years ago 4
The fuckin' Ritz in '88! The best Guns show ever!
JumpingTomato 2 years ago 6
so true
gradcore 2 years ago
new guns? u mean the crap that axel leads today>? now i understand
lessmann009 2 years ago 3
OMFG ... oO
trickpa80 2 years ago
If Duff was there then I would have creamed my pants >__>. Would have been so close...
Rathalos887 2 years ago 8
was this gig pre planned or was it just a spur of the moment thing with slash and izzy
johthe1989 2 years ago
suprised Duff wasnt there
klummp 2 years ago 3
which ones izzy its gotta be the one with the white sg cuz that other guy moves around to much to be izzy izzy kinda jus stands there in all the old gnr videos hes funny in the old interviews cuz he never hardly talked
8fuckinghostile8 2 years ago
izzy's on the left side of the stage
arnoldvld 2 years ago
he is the one with SG..
hanifpoyo 2 years ago
PAID? comon..thats nonsense! they are friends!
slashthebestone 2 years ago
Steven dident pay anithing their all friends and thats what they like doing ....they do music you stupid asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dawnyg8 2 years ago 2
Whos on the drums??
dawnyg8 2 years ago
steven adler!
gatoaxl 2 years ago
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PuckiZuckiCucki 2 years ago
steven adler that's why it's called adler's appetite hello!!!
ahhhlexandra 2 years ago
I think this is has close to the original lineup we'll get.
Rathalos887 2 years ago
What the hell is this? Steve Adler's comeback band?
I wonder how much he paid Slash and Izzy for their time.
thegraybarronfx 2 years ago
man, duff should have been there :(
i would say axl...but...thats not going to happen
at least 3/5 are there :D
sheetal96 2 years ago 18
axl should sing up there...
1rockforever 2 years ago 4
nobody can match axl's voice nobody. that singers is probably good but with appetite and having to compare to axl he fails
192837452 2 years ago 4
thank you youtube, for showing this beautiful concert
actionwaves92 2 years ago
if i were the bassist or singer, this would be the highest point in my life
RiffPirate9 2 years ago 3
actually no, slash quit the band as he says in his book, and he said that axl was driving him to almost commit suicide so he could never work with axl again
IanCarr1 2 years ago 3
to suicide? wow i really need to read that book!
angusisgod55 2 years ago
which book?
gunsnrosesfan888 2 years ago
Slash's autobiography. I've only heard good things about it.
angusisgod55 2 years ago
ahhh yes...
i alsoo read it! GREAT BOOK!
many interessting things.
THe best book i've ever read!
take care
gunsnrosesfan888 2 years ago
but he has said in a interview that if they were going to do a reunion show that he would do it cause it would be amazing and fun which i think it would be to :)
fuckshit180 2 years ago
The singer is such a Axl copy! Nobody can immitate Axl rose good!
zeppelinroses1 2 years ago
who is singing?
jkdakid85 2 years ago
mm good cuestion who is ??
rockGA12 2 years ago
i think jizzy
DEXsAPPETITE 2 years ago
well this is it........the closest thing that will come of a gnr reunion
gnroses3586367 2 years ago 2
slash, jumping round as if he was still 22 lol
coolmeista84 2 years ago
Rockstars never get old my friend =)
XsmashthescilenceX 2 years ago 4
well said my frirnd =)
witeasian135 2 years ago
when this shit happenned??
vlk113 2 years ago
The Best Formation Ever : Axl Rose, Duff McKagan, Slash Gordon, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler
Bagufik 2 years ago 3
slash gordon?
TomDGW 2 years ago 4
that singer fails at life
466agg 2 years ago 2
It would be so nice if Izzy, Slash, Duff, Steven, and Axl got back together if that ever happened again I can die in peace
20019949911 2 years ago 3
They will !!!
kingtoster 2 years ago
So can I
luismmendivil 2 years ago
they're practically back together bcoz izzy has played with axl and he has played with steven and slash! they're comin back together slowly:)
michygonewild 2 years ago
I hope it was true... But I'm pretty sure they'll never come back together..
Axl hates Slash and vice-versa...
Sblezo 2 years ago
actually slash doesn't hate axl... slash wanted a reunion, adler said axl was being selfish by not wanting that reunion specially that it was only because of slash
edurafa69 2 years ago
dude sorry i ment to put a thumbs up anyway yea that would be the shit but even if duff slash steven and izzy got back together and found a new singer that would also be the shit
staypuftlova 2 years ago
great
Slash950 2 years ago
Steven gave gnr such an amazing swing. Brilliant to see him playing with slash and izzy again
flakone 2 years ago 2
i blame axl for steven leaving... no one on gnr would fire him cuz i heard slash say before that him duff and steven were cool and axl was the power hungry whore.. it's nice to see them togeter again without any dousches
andr3wbr1an 2 years ago 2
stephen adler a very good drummer look at tommy lee, cant drum worth shit
er3012 2 years ago
this is great it just lacks Duff and Axel
I doubt we will ever see Axel with them. I would go to see them are they out in Hollywood?
LadyBuggie97 2 years ago
what is this? steven adlers band playing with slash and izzy?
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lordcadillac 2 years ago
Awesome!!!!! we want a reconstruction
d0dFLyEr 2 years ago
GO...GO...ohhhhh. Steven.... LooKING
Forward more Brilliant beat to come....
ocean0414 2 years ago 3
steven adler is a way better drummer than matt
slashguitarguy45 2 years ago
At the begginging thatsa cool sound.
Southerncal1996 2 years ago 2
Ultra Rare images of Guns N' Roses!
look my friend:
/watch?v=I3I59vrGL24
progressivelectro 2 years ago
what year was this?
slaxls1 2 years ago
All we need is Duff and Please Axl get over the past!!!
AstriBlair 3 years ago 7
and slash and axl to get over it!
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how can you people say that steven is a nice guy? he cant stay off the dope. have you seen celebrity rehab or sober house? he's a fucking loser and hateful asshole to everybody!!! Matt sorum was a waaayyy better drummer than steven anyway. thereis no way an original lineup would happen. a reunion with izzy slash and duff yes but even i wouldn't support it if steven adler was there. this loser needs to go away and never be heard from again
Monkeyboy32 3 years ago
doing drugs doesnt not make you a horrible person. yes matt is a better drummer. BUT steven adler i feel is a better drummer for guns and roses. He is the definition of a Rock drummer
ElBishopo 3 years ago 16
Matt is not "a better drummer" than Adler...unless you like flat sounding drum machines..allthough I liked him with The Cult. Adler fits GNR so much better.
thestrawhead 2 years ago 2
He's a good guy, doing the wrong thing...
NiklasVaara 3 years ago
This gave me a chill up my spine. SO fucking cool to see Slash, Izzy, and Steven Adler playing together. I think we all know Duff would be in, now if Axl would stop being a selfish prick...
imagine what a new GNR record with the original lineup would sound like~!!!!
They would make so much money they could buy their own country and call it AXL, and fill it with dolphin aquariums, yoga instructors, and personal stylists. Maybe then Mr. Rose would be happy.
ancestron 3 years ago 6
hhaahah that's funny!
savagesnephew 2 years ago 3
shut the fuck up.
TomDGW 2 years ago
fuck you
ancestron 2 years ago
shut the fuck up
TomDGW 2 years ago
reunion dammit!!!!
ancestron 3 years ago 2
perfect!!!!!!!!!!!
gabotab1 3 years ago 3
The singer suck, but steven can definately still drum and he's the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Cyrax20CDM 3 years ago 13
not bad at all.
paowibird 3 years ago 3
it would be better if THIS band had the name Guns N Roses. they sound great
STiLLMaTiC717 3 years ago
Izzy and Slash: the greatest duo in hard rock history!
deanpancho14 3 years ago 8
hell yea
bcrich77 3 years ago 3
Slash is DA MAN!!!!
dbenmil 3 years ago 3
What year was this?
dbenmil 3 years ago
that was actually pretty good
SCoop923 3 years ago
is this just a fake band cuz if they are their guitar player is pretty good
wern1440 3 years ago
lol no it's for real
effects69 3 years ago
Its not Guns but that is Slash
420HBK420 3 years ago
scot weiland es gay
jesucinho 3 years ago 2
lol,... actually there's no Weiland on stage ;-)
ueberulmen 3 years ago
its here guys. the guns are back!!
Nocholas4sale 3 years ago 2
Is Adler high? He's all over the place. Perfect.
blackpoolbison 3 years ago 2
...But there was a time
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nico82828 3 years ago
is really slash?
wei11811 3 years ago
Scott weiland singing good to see almost the orginal line up on stage!! lets hope they get it together soon!!!
gonzodrum 3 years ago
Is Duff there and who's singing?
SLASHduRocker 3 years ago
Jizzy Pearl
ioo008800ooi 3 years ago
STEVEN is the coolest and unfortunately most underrated drummer in rock history!
I think the chances for a reunion in late 2009 are not too bad....
drdo1988 3 years ago
I agree about steven being underrated, but do u really think Axl will still be able to tolerate Slash? I don't. Then again, here's to hoping!
cfreckna 3 years ago
Corrextion - Slash able to tolerate Axl!
SLASHduRocker 3 years ago 8
^^^^^^^
diabloss2000 3 years ago
Yo i can't see nothing in this video the quality is horrible... I wasn't even sure that was Adler in the back!
Darkn08 3 years ago 2
it is so cool to se that all the guns fans are listening to slash snakepit, izzy n the jujuhounds vr and adlers apetite!! guns are king!
donlennaerts 3 years ago
hey was izzy singing or what cuz i dont see him
venger1994 3 years ago
no izzy doesn't sound like that
pdeepsmit 3 years ago
he is on the far left playing the yellow guitar
uggla03 3 years ago
Steven is ten times better than matt
GunsNrosesAerosmith 3 years ago 2
Lol, Matt doesn't have many feelings when he plays, he's like the "drumanata" and Steven's a real drummer.
igrenade 3 years ago 4
eventhough steven's out of beat a bit but you know...this is what made Guns the untamed fury of a band back when they first came up...and i miss this in the band...heck i miss any kind of music from the band...but this reminds me of when they were young and hungry
crazeelegz2 3 years ago 2
he had a stroke.. to much dope
GuitarGod2011 3 years ago
Steven for life...Matt is a bitch
TheLordRob 3 years ago 5
Matt is ok, but Steven is BETTER than matt...
6Thun6deR6 3 years ago 12
Matt Sorum still can't play this beat right.
CCVanderbilt 3 years ago 3
I love how everyone trashes on matt sorum, get off him he does his job, nothin too fancy just like a drummer should.
LedZeppelinforever19 3 years ago
yeah matt is awsome!!!
rubytuesday2626 3 years ago
Even though the quality of this video is poor, a true fan can identify Izzy Stradlin from the other two guitarists, who bounce around like amateurs. Slash and Izzy perform w/out having to jump around like fairys.
farmape35 3 years ago
is that actually steve adler on drums? cas i thought he was still heavy in2 his junk!
evilscotsman2008 3 years ago
I miss Adler.
I'd much rather have him in VR than Matt Sorum. Ofc i like matt too, but not as much as Adler.
If the Guns had reunion they should take Steve back and not matt..
Matt might be a better drummer, but steven brings a little more rock n roll magic than matt.
Thats my opinion.
xxNewAbortionxx 3 years ago 2
Of course they'll take Adler cause he's the original GnR Drummer.
doomrocker666 3 years ago
Nope, he has some disorder so he wouldn't be fit to play for Guns.
Belone1976 3 years ago
Maybe....
doomrocker666 3 years ago
Who's singing? Is it Jizzy?
shambofunk 3 years ago
nice performance,if only Axl was there!!!
draghetto93 3 years ago
I would love nothing more than the original Guns n Roses reform, but I just finished Slash's autobiography, and from that it sounds like there will never be a reunion :(
stringbenderb5 3 years ago
WOW!
bfitzpatrick1 3 years ago
awesome
tekobkn 3 years ago
aguanten guns n fuckin rosess!!!!!!!!!!!
freddy792000 3 years ago
Damn it!! They're doing every thing BUT having a proper reunion!! they're all obviously back in the swing of playing, {and playing awesomely at that!!}, so i just don't get it!! but anyway, i'm still supporting them all, whatever!!!
xxxdarkmexxx 3 years ago 6
There spoiled F In BRATS!
bcn1211 3 years ago
yeah, there's that, but they shouldn't let that stop them! xD
xxxdarkmexxx 3 years ago
axl's a faggot
Superior010 3 years ago
it's not gonna be a gn'r reunion you guys, so stop nag about it.
apart from that, this was really gooooood ;D
Kexogoesmcrlover 3 years ago
All that's missing is my boy. Kickass!
09iloveaxl 3 years ago
Whas that slash and izzy in adler's appetite
clevelandjasmin23 3 years ago
great great great!!!!!!!!!!!! but I truly miss axl`s voice and attitude on stage! but thanks for giving us the illusion that maaaaayyyybeeee one day..... ;o)
mrslashontravisbeans 3 years ago
GNR reunion!!!! Come on guys!!!! we want the old Guns back!!!!
neponovljivi 3 years ago 6
GNR reunion!!!! Come on guys!!!! we want the old Guns back!!!!
neponovljivi 3 years ago 5
rivogliamo axl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kerakoll410 4 years ago
A Guns reunion would brake records in tix sales!!!
elektro66 4 years ago 5
I cant see shit
Sixx1985 4 years ago 3
have annother drink
GreenBayLA 3 years ago
Yeh its weird Sorum is way more skilled in terms of chops, tempo steadiness, etc etc, but Steven Adler just sounds more appealing when he plays, when Sorum took over everything sounded slick from then on.
jaikwillis 4 years ago 6