Matt, you're a genius. I wish we could get you on national TV for 2 or 3 timers per week - religion in this country would die in short order. Ironically, you have fulfilled your earlier goal to become a minister, the only difference is that instead of spreading nonsense, you now preach the truth. Honestly, you're the best "preacher" that I have ever heard.
@Ragnarockalypse I agree, it´s they who would torture and kill us and anyone who doesn´t belong to their pathetic club. It´s a tall order to awaken reason in the religious though, don´t you think?
I does sound like you have heard and understood the gospel message so I am not sure there is anything else anyone can say to you regarding it. It can be total futility attempting to explain what is essentially unexplainable to the unregenerate man.. God will not in any way diminish your accountability for sin by imposing his own will upon you. If you are to [be] saved, then at this point you must [want] to be saved.
"Theists are p..... Why? Because they're indoctrinated f...... zombies that impose their religios will and beliefs on everyone and everything."
This to me is evidence of God's mercy toward you. There must be a lot of people praying for you because you can't seem to find anywhere where the gospel of Christ is [not] being proclaimed. Ironic isn't it, that what brings the greatest comfort to the believer also brings the greatest discomfort to the Unbeliever.
The reason you feel so strongly about this is due to the message of the gospel having an effect on the hearer of it. The knowledge that an all powerful God is personally interested in you is what the unbeliever is most afraid of. Jesus is the source of refuge for the believer or the source of judgment for the unbeliever.
The gospel is light that exposes our sin before a holy God. We can allow the light to transform us or we can close the curtains and remain in darkness.
@irestinhim I'm not afraid of an old book containing some ramblings stolen from oral myths of previous peoples lol - may as well be afraid of harry Potter- threatening an atheist with hell is like threatening to hit me with a bubble lol
A reality in which a select few don't get to enjoy eternal bliss in infinitely preferable to a reality in which the vast, innocent majority get eternal torment.
Animals are driven by instinct. Though humans may also be driven by instinct we also have in place an understanding of harm. This understanding is derived from an ablity to think of others well being as a part of our own need for wellness.
Well, what is good or bad, right and wrong? How have we come to our conclusions of whom to reward or punish. If someone believes that what you think is wrong, is right, how do you judge that one. Is there a foundation or do we make it up as we go along?
You also talk about reality. I am sure Matt must know, that people who believe in the "fairy tale" of Jesus Christ, have done some of the greatest work's in order to change the wicked realities of this world?
@prn72271 Theists are pricks. Why? Because they're indoctrinated fucking zombies that impose their religios will and beliefs on everyone and everything. I couldn't help but notice you get a lot of "SPAM" flags. Bet you're one of those theists things, trolling around Atheist channels, hunting for Agnostics to assimilate, thinking it has real thoughts of it's own. Every single argument I hear on this show is shot to shit. And they make it look soooo easy. I'll stick to telling theists "Fuck you."
I love this video. I thought like that woman its understandable. Who wants to think that people who commit horrendous crimes and were never caught got away with it. But I agree with matt in order for this to occur less often we need to aknowlege they we are the defense against that.
@cynt123able The question why are "we" against such actions.
No one says that a tiger for instance committ's murder. When a Lion takes over a pride and kill's the young of the previous Lion, no one say's that it is wrong. The Lionesses in the pride don't seek justice.
I think it is imperitive that we ask where does the knowlegde or what we think is right and wrong come from? Especially, if we are in fact creations of nothing or chance.
There's people in the comments saying they disagree with Matt. Could anyone out there who disagrees with Matt PLEASE specify why they disagree with him? Which points he makes are faulty etc? Saying you disagree or disagree without further elaboration keeps us all in wonder as to why you disagree. Thanks in advance.
Life isnt fair but we can create societies that can make it fairer. To do this it is best to leave religion behind. Making society fairer is a long-term project and magic solutions from super-beings in the sky are a distraction. They are liable to sap our will if not lead us into unethicial behaviour.
Matt makes a number of assumptions about the woman to base his reply. Since he doesn't validate his assumptions, his assault on her belief system and her character lack merit. Matt also argues from several erroneous assumptions about God, which, if he had stayed in school, he might have learned better. His view of God is so small, trivial, and trite that allows a hypothetical pedophile to trick Him with false confession and repentence. Clearly, his views on hell are literally erroneous.
@BoanergesHere You do realize that he's been educated fundamentally in the bible to go and preach it for thousands of people before he became an atheist right? And that thoroughly studying the bible is part of what made him become an atheist, right? If anyone knows this stuff it's Matt D. The way you put this in perspective is that the hypothetical pedophile is already beyond salvation. Then what would be the point in him living? We're taught that everyone can be saved at any time.
@BoanergesHere His hypothetical pedophile might not be faking his confession at all, he may be absolutely honest and wants Jesus in his life. If he is truthful about it, God should know, and he WILL be saved. Just like if you were lying about your belief in God, God should know, right? You can't be a good person, and say, "Sure, yeah, I believe in that god, yeah..." and expect him to believe you when you are only believing because it's safer to believe. He is apparently all knowing, right?
Christianity offers the ultimate escape from Justice…
A guy in Hell meets another sufferer. “What did you do to get here?” he asks. “Oh, I killed my parents, wife and children and a neighbor kid. How about you?” The guy responds, “I stole a bike as a teenager.” In Heaven Mother Theresa is surprised to meet Jeffrey Dahmer. How did you get here?” she asks. “I repented in prison, was baptized and became a born again Christian.”
MATT DILLAHUNTY HAS BRAIN FARTS ALL THE TIME. ALL HE EVER DOES IS FART UP A FUCKING STORM FROM HIS FAT FUCKING ASS. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID ATHEISTIC FUCK BEFORE I FUCKING KILL YOU AND AVENGE JESUS MY SAVIOR.
@ajhrockerboy6 Blow yourself up against a building while on the way. People do not seem to notice how disgusting religion is and how violent, volatile, and divisive theists can be. Thank you for giving me and the youtube community the reminder with your all-capped and pugnacious comment.
Fuck god...I can be the next Hitler and kill millions, ask forgiveness on my death bed and live in heaven forever. I can be a pillar of the community, do good, be the best person I know how to be, save lives, etc...and go to hell simply for lack of knowledge of God or choosing the wrong god/religion...yeah, fuck your God!
@ajhrockerboy6 Just keep on spreading Jesus's love. If that post isn't seen in a court of law, at least you must believe that you'll be judged in hell.
Matt, BRAVO! Wonderfully stated. Christian belief is based on emotional need not on evidence or sound reasoning. I know this b/c I was one for 20+ yrs, as were you. Thank you!
It's funny how Christians come to have their beliefs about reality but then when challenged they often don't give THOSE reasons. They give other reasons that have nothing to do with why they actually believe it (i.e. - b/c it makes them feel good)
@TheOptimistPrime What ? Are you saying that because the bible "denigrates womens" and "advocates slaverys" it makes me believe in it ? and what that has to do with atheistic viewpoint ? You're essentially saying " by saying anything about Harry Potter you believe in magic"
@jpgrygus pathetic psychobable. It is by definition impossible to prove an negative. If you need to hide behind logical impossibilities in order to justify your illogical belief in your precious pathetic fairy tale god then that's just sad. To state that there is a god is an extraordinary assertion. Extraordinary assertions require extraordinary evidence... either provide it or you ain't got nothin'.
@Drweavil , thanks for that, I am so sick of them saying that same stupid statement over and over. And then that's their proof that there is a god, so dumb.
@sdacrowe Dumb doesn't even begin to cover it mate. There is no proof of any god, not even the slightest piece of evidence, yet these people still cling to their irrational beliefs while demanding special privileges along the way. Even a cursory glance at the bible or the quran shows multiple contradictions and inconsistencies yet this fool still thinks that we have to prove the damn nonsense he believes to be untrue? No. Put up or shut up...
"Thanks; I've read it five times in the past six years. I know it well."
Therein lays the problem. Jesus Christ IS the gospel. To know the gospel is to know Christ. The gospel is not about a system of beliefs. The gospel is Jesus Christ. Add or take anything away from Christ and the gospel is no longer the gospel.
This is essentially why Paul preached Christ alone. There is no gospel (good news) apart from the person and work of Christ.
@irestinhim "Jesus Christ IS the gospel" and now you are just pulling shit out of your ass. its really hard to argue with you when you dont play by the rules. Gospel is story telling. And if you want to difine it somehow difrently, im afraid we cant have any discusion bechose you are dishonest. So, Bobies and have a nice day.
As Keikergaard, the 19th Century Danish philosopher said, "human reason must accept its limitations, the objective and empirical parameters of its capability and allow the illogic of paradox to remain."
In other words, "Doubt is the foundation of faith."
@irestinhim I completely disagree that fear is the beginning of wisdom. Fear is a wonderful emotion; it keeps us from taking unnecessary risks, helps keep our judgements in line with personal preservation, and protects us from foreseeable danger. However, fear is not a path to greater understanding, wisdom, or knowledge. In order to gain more understanding, wisdom or knowledge, one must adventure into uncharted areas, the very place fear would urge us not to go.
@irestinhim funny. your gods "love" thems to be the kind of "crazy girlfriend" love. he is afraid out if his mind of other gods. The kind of "love" you embrace is not real or good kind of love. The kind of love today embraces is Equle and fair. you treat others as your equle. not as subjects like your god does. allso The so called "human" reason as you said it is pretty much basis of everything that you do. without human reason, i dout you whuld exist.
@lhvinny "I completely disagree that fear is the beginning of wisdom. "
Totally agree with you. "Fear of the lord is the beginning [and middle and end] of wisdom" (my interpolations). Fear is self-concern, which is entirely natural but a lesser form of morality than compassion for others. Conservative christians don't seem able to see this.
It may help you to realise that none of your arguments are your own.. Thus, you have only demonstrated faith in those who have argued before you. You may consider yourself wise, but you are only standing on the shoulders of those who went before you. There are many who think they are wise, but they base that wisdom on 'human reason.'
The bible says that 'every man is wise in his own eyes." but 'The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
@irestinhim "The bible says that 'every man is wise in his own eyes." but 'The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."" Why should I care what the Bible says? You have failed to give show it is authoritative or worth listening to. Quoting a supposed holy book gets you nowhere.
@ilikelazers, the truth that Paul is teaching is this: You don't even need a bible to see and understand the revelation that God has given of himself to all men. You don't need to go to church to figure it out and you don't even need to hear the gospel.
So in conclusion, how much less excuse does a man have who DOES have a bible, who HAS gone to church and who HAS heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and rejected and suppressed all of this truth?
@irestinhim why doesn't "god" give himself to starving africans? why doesn't "god" give himself to innocent victims in middle eastern conflict? why does he only give himself to people who were born in christian families? the truth is that you have absolutely nothing but a book that written by ignorant men (ignorance of natural science) and somehow you have come to the conclusion that it is everything. you are much more ignorant than they were, at least they tried to find the truth.
God has given of himself to every human being. We are made in his image, but as spiritual people our decisions are all derived from a spiritual source. We are either in submission to God or satan. Suffering brings men to the end of themselves, causing them to seek someone beyond themselves. Often suffering is the consequence of living our lives contrary to what God has wanted of us. God does not impose himself on a man's free will. That would contravene why he created us.
@irestinhim "We are either in submission to God or satan." Bold assertion coupled with a false dichotomy. You would need to demonstrate that both of these beings exist. You also ignore that one can choose to not submit to either being.
"You would need to demonstrate that both of these beings exist."
No I wouldn't. That IS the dichotomy. Something beyond human reason makes all of this possible. That is what it means to be theo-logical. The numerous paradoxes and assumed contradictions only make sense if something greater than human reason exists.. Supernatural revelation. Something that cannot be gleaned by the finite human mind.
There is no false dichotomy when we derive all of our decision-making from a spiritual source that is beyond the understanding of the finite mind? Keikergard the Dutch philosopher struggled with these issues and said himself that these things can only be perfectly reconciled if there is something that transcends 'human reason.' Theo-logic or theology as you probably know it does exactly that. Supernatural revelation.
@irestinhim "There is no false dichotomy when we derive all of our decision-making from a spiritual source that is beyond the understanding of the finite mind?" So,you do all your decision-making by shutting down the very part of your body that does the decision-making processes (your finite mind)? This is beyond foolish.
You keep referring to "supernatural revelation." Until such a revelation occurs to me, why should I regard anything you say as true, and how does this revelation occur?
@lhvinny, human reason is insufficient for becoming or being a Christian because it cannot comprehend what faith perceives and receives.
If you think that Christianity is illogical and absurd at a natural level, you would be right. That is why it is referred to as 'theology.' or 'theo-logic.' Faith is not based or grounded in human reason. I am not a believer because it made sense for me to be a believer. I am a believer because I received revelation from something that transcends human reason.
@irestinhim Why you believe, again, shows that the god of your mythology utterly fails at the one thing it supposedly wants to do: reconnect with humans so that they may be in heaven with him. Requiring a "supernatural revelation" which obviously doesn't occur for each individual demonstrates that your god, indeed, doesn't want everyone to go to heaven. Fetuses which die before cognitive ability definitely never get the revelation. It is an asinine system.
@irestinhim It also fails to reconsile why members of every religion claim the same "supernatural revelation" or "supernatural experience." You obviously don't count those who claim to have been visited by The Goddess, Bast, Thor, Allah, Lord Krishna or any other deity, or possibly even aliens as valid. Their experience, based on what you've shared, should be equally as convincing, yet they are not to you.
@irestinhim Your "supernatural revelation" also fails to explain why those who even believe in the same god as you do draw different conclusions about what that god wants or how that god set up the world. For example, there are many Christians who claim that god does not hold children accountable for sin until the "age of reason" and that all infants who die before that time still go to heaven. They also claim this came by divine revelation, just as you do. Your revelation is not convincing.
@irestinhim "God does not impose himself on a man's free will." Your own mythology says you're wrong. God imposed his will on Pharaoh by hardening his heart and preventing him from letting the Hebrews free.
Also, prayer for things would also be meaningless if your God didn't impose himself on man's free will. If someone prays for a job opportunity, how is that not circumventing the free will of the employer to pick their application over others, or making a job opening available at all?
"God imposed his will on Pharaoh by hardening his heart and preventing him from letting the Hebrews free."
You have jumped from 'false dichotomy' to making theological statements as the basis for rejecting or discrediting the God of the bible and the scriptures. Interesting position. One refutes the other.
BTW, God simply turned the Pharaoh's own curse back on himself and his own people. It was Pharaoh who first tried to kill the firstborn Hebrew children.
@irestinhim "It was Pharaoh who first tried to kill the firstborn Hebrew children." Oh, so two wrongs make a right, is it?
"Supernatural revelation. Something that cannot be gleaned by the finite human mind." So, again, you fully admit that you don't have any knowledge that what you're saying is true. I again assert you are just blowing smoke.
@irestinhim "You have jumped from 'false dichotomy' to making theological statements as the basis for rejecting or discrediting the God of the bible and the scriptures. Interesting position. One refutes the other." Only if you completely ignore the context in which the statement was made. If you read the sentence preceding the one you quoted, it says "Your own mythology says you're wrong." I gave an example from your mythology. I suggest avoid quote mining.
" If someone prays for a job opportunity, how is that not circumventing the free will of the employer to pick their application over others, or making a job opening available at all?"
You view God as a glorified bell-hop running up and down the halls of heaven.. in much the way 'human reason' would attempt to do. The true believer prays "thy will be done and not mine." Christianity is not 'imitating' Christ.. It is the risen lord Jesus living in those who believe.
@ilikelazers, it helps to understand that no one is innocent, right down to the one who hasn't yet seen the light of day. So deeply entrenched in sin is the human race that we require salvation through redemption. The revelation that will make these truths known to you cannot be taught or explained by human reason. This knowledge transcends human reason. That is why it is called theology. Theo-logic. A supernatural logic that transcends human logic, based on the divine nature of God.
@irestinhim "it helps to understand that no one is innocent, right down to the one who hasn't yet seen the light of day." So you're telling me that my unborn niece or nephew is already guilty of something? Sorry, that doesn't fly. Guilt is a consequence of one's own actions. He or she hasn't even taken his or her own breath yet and you have the gull to say he or she is guilty of something. How evil and twisted of an idea.
"So you're telling me that my unborn niece or nephew is already guilty of something?"
Your brother's or sister's child is guilty of the same thing as you and I. We are guilty of being part of the human race. As there is none who are righteous, it is only logical that this child will also grow up to rebel against God. YOU may even play a huge part in the child's rebellion. It doesn't matter how good WE think we are. God does not judge us on our own opinion of ourselves.
How can you claim the moral high ground with a worldview where no moral absolutes exist? What is your basis for calling anything evil?
Why would it be evil of me to kill you? Would it be because the bible confirms what your conscience already testifies to? That it is morally wrong because it contravenes the Laws of God?
Without moral absolutes, what would it matter whether we love or kill each other?
@irestinhim "How can you claim the moral high ground with a worldview where no moral absolutes exist?" I never stated my position when it comes to moral absolutes. I also never claimed a moral high ground. You are projecting.
"What is your basis for calling anything evil?" I'm basing it on the idea that one is innocent of a crime until after the crime is committed. The idea that one is guilty without a crime committed is not a form of justice. It is horribly unsound.
@lhvinny, your arguments are all based on 'human reason.' The knowledge I have received is beyond 'human reason.'
That is why I only have the gospel of Jesus Christ for you to hear. You cannot logic your way into heaven or rationalise the irrational. Every logical paradox and contradiction can only be reconciled if there is something that transcends 'human reason.' Revelation is 'caught' it is not 'taught.' By the Spirit and not by the finite mind.
@irestinhim "The knowledge I have received is beyond 'human reason.'" Bull. You are still human and therefore only have the reasoning capabilities of a human. Saying that you have something beyond human reason only means you can't explain it or justify it, which means it is indistinguishable from making it up.
"That is why I only have the gospel of Jesus Christ for you to hear." Thanks; I've read it five times in the past six years. I know it well.
@lhvinny Also, according to what I've read from others, God wants love. Love based in fear, or fear coupled with love, is not true love. It is a fake love; the type of love tyrants demand and receive. I continue to notice many parallels between your version of god and a tyrant, in action, desires, and thought process.
@irestinhim "You cannot logic your way into heaven or rationalise the irrational." I agree. So what?
"Thus, you have only demonstrated faith in those who have argued before you." Wrong. The arguments presented are abased on evidence. Faith is belief without evidence. You fail to know the basic definition of faith.
"You may consider yourself wise, but you are only standing on the shoulders of those who went before you" Where did I ever claim to be wise?
@irestinhim "Why would it be evil of me to kill you?" It depends on the circumstances. A society in which killing someone without justification is okay will not propagate very well, since we are dependent upon each other, as a social species, for our mutual survival. Thus, termination of a life without justification is evil. However, if termination of my life was found to preserve the life of others (self-defense, for example), then it is justified.
@irestinhim "Would it be because the bible confirms what your conscience already testifies to?" Not at all. The idea of not killing without justification dates back a lot farther than the Bible. It is a natural consequence of being a member of a species that survives via interaction with other members of that species in a mutually beneficial relationship.
@irestinhim "That it is morally wrong because it contravenes the Laws of God?" No. God's Law also says it's an abomination to eat shell fish. I do not see eating shell fish as evil even though it contravenes God's Law. I also do not see it wrong to not give the Sabbath to God.
"The dichotomy lays with YOU." You don't even know what dichotomy means, do you?
"No. God's Law also says it's an abomination to eat shell fish."
There is a world of difference between a night over the porcelain and transferring congenital birth defects by immoral behaviour that stand to pass on the affections of that immorality to future generations.
@irestinhim "There is a world of difference between a night over the porcelain and transferring congenital birth defects by immoral behaviour that stand to pass on the affections of that immorality to future generations." I agree. So what? You, again, take my quote completely out of context. It was simply to demonstrate that "God's Law" is not something I fully agree with and thus mutes your point of saying I appeal to its supposed authority.
@irestinhim Why the tangent into transference of birth defects by immoral behavior? The original topic was on killing is something to avoid in most cases.
"I am a believer because I received revelation from something that transcends human reason." You didn't bother to answer my questions: Until I have such a revelation (which I never did as a Christian) why should I believe you? How does one get this revelation?
@lhvinny, it makes perfect sense that you cannot call me 'evil' without in fact refuting your own position.
If I am evil, then so too must everyone else be. Otherwise the point you reach where you distinguish between 'good' and 'evil' is grounded in your own arbitrary standard.
I understand why you cannot see beyond 'human reason' concerning the scriptures, but your 'human reason' and 'human logic' is also sadly flawed. You contradict and refute your own position.
@lhvinny, confusion over what is truth is the evidence that truth is important to us. Why is it important? Why do we have this innate desire to seek truth?
Because we are creatures made in the image of the one who created us. Our entire existence is derived from the very source of life himself, God. We are created to be dependent upon God. Struggling with logical contradictions and paradoxes is a search for truth. God has not hidden himself FROM us, he has hidden himself FOR us.
@irestinhim "Why do we have this innate desire to seek truth? Because we are creatures made in the image of the one who created us." Wrong. Truth allows us to seek meaning patterns and make predictions about phenomenon in the world. These patterns and ability to make predictions is what allows us to advance in all realms of science. It has nothing to do with some supposed creator for which you refuse to provide evidence even exists.
@irestinhim "God has not hidden himself FROM us, he has hidden himself FOR us." Then you god does a piss poor job at the very thing it supposedly wishes to accomplish: forming a relationship with its creation. Surely an omniscient being would realize that hiding itself "for us" will directly lead to a consequence for those people which is, supposedly, against his wishes. It is an asinine position that even my "flawed human logic" can see. Surely a superior being would see it as well.
@irestinhim "The revelation that will make these truths known to you cannot be taught or explained by human reason." If they are beyond human ability to understand, then you cannot know that they are true. As such, you fully admit that you are just blowing smoke.
@ilikelazers, all a true Christian can offer you is the message of the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. God works through this message to save men. He will not force any man to believe as that would contravene a man's free will. If a man humbles himself, confesses his sin and provides God with the basis upon which to forgive him, God will not turn him away.
God introduced himself to me in a period of great brokenness..
but also to condemn him as a christian is wrong also "why look at the plank in one mans eye when you can't see the log in yours". this means just because he does not believe the way you do does not give you the right to say "go to hell" you do not codemn him. I say respect him for his views understand what he is saying and refute after that. Also, to atheist the reason for my changeup on my views is due to the fact that science does nothing but, come up with theories and has no solid base.
the part that makes me distrust matt is he was a christian before so somewhere deep down he does believe the bible still probably just struggling like we all do. as a catholic i struggle with wanting to believe the bible i grew up an atheist myself so in part i respect matt and dislike ignorant christians who say what they believe is truth. even though i would consider myself catholic but i am well rounded and education.
"Or, as the famous saying goes: "Faith is that quality that enables us to believe what we know to be untrue."
If what one believes is untrue, it holds no value, so why believe it? Faith in Christ is trust in Christ, trust in the knowledge of his teaching and commitment to application of those teachings. As Jesus said, "why do you call me Lord, but not do what I say?"
@irestinhim You bowed the knee to your Lord, Master and Owner. You know you have no rights to your own life, for "you are not your own; you are bought with a price." No doubt you "observe all things whatsoever He has commanded you." You have "forsake[n] all that you have, and your own soul also." If you have not done so, you "are not worthy to be [his] disciple", and i bet my life, you have not. You should first obey Christ rather than condemn others for not doing what you will not do either.
@dmorono, part of that obedience is proclaiming the gospel message. The gospel IS an offensive message. No man wants to believe he is sinful and needs to receive God's forgiveness, so it is a normal response to feel offended. If you don't believe in Jesus, there is nothing anyone can say or do. God has put everything in place for a man's salvation. He simply waits for men to repent. He is extremely patient, but will not wait forever.
Salvation requires acknowledging the truth about ourselves.
@irestinhim I think you forgot the part about not believing in 'god'. even if what you said was actually true it would prove that Matt is 'god like' in this clip. please enlighten us all on how he refutes his own position
"please enlighten us all on how he refutes his own position"
Certainly. Matt attempts to claim the moral high ground whilst endorsing a worldview where there exists no moral absolutes. Thus, he has no grounds or foundational basis for morality. In a nut-shell, Matt has successfully demonstrated judgment upon God, by the very same laws that God will be judging HIM. Matt has not refuted the truth of the scriptures... He has confirmed them.
@irestinhim you are making a false assumption. since matt doesn't believe in god (do you understand that?) he cannot judge him. it would be like an adult who lives alone putting out milk and cookies for santa claus. it wouldn't make any sense (unless he still believed in him :/). do you believe that matt thinks it's ok to murder, rape or kidnap people? of course not. does he share the same morals as most of the world? i think so. how does this make you think his position is no morals?
@ilikelazers, I cannot be your eyes and ears, so I am powerless if you do not like the answer.
One last time..
Matt is attempting to claim the moral high ground in a worldview where there exists no moral absolutes. I did not say that Matt has no morals. The FACT that he DOES have morals is what refutes his position. MD is judging, by the very same standard by which HE will be judged. You cannot use the Laws of God to judge any man without indicting yourSELF. Thus he refutes his own position.
@irestinhim You are using logic that is based on an assumption. I cant be your eyes and ears either. Matt cannot use laws from something that doesn't exist (HE DOESNT BELIEVE IN A GOD!!!) His entire rant concludes with telling the woman that it is a lie. The only reason he brought god into the discussion is because that is what the woman believes. He has to bring it up to refute him, not use his laws. Your god does not own morality, it is innate in us. without it we could never be civil
"Your god does not own morality, it is innate in us."
God does not 'own' morality, he IS morality. He is the moral ethos in whom all righteousness abides. To suggest that morality is 'innate' is to confirm the truth of the scriptures. You do indeed have a conscience given by God. Being civil is a choice as we are able to love one minute and murder in the next. The greatest mystery of all. How can one so capable of love also be capable of such abominable evil? The sin nature.
@irestinhim It is unfortunate that you cannot have an intelligent discussion because you won't accept a scenario where you could be wrong. God is not a fact, it is a belief.
"It is unfortunate that you cannot have an intelligent discussion because you won't accept a scenario where you could be wrong."
I'm not right. The bible is right. One either doesn't understand the scriptures or simply rejects them. Every man has enough understanding to be able to suppress the truth. Thus he demonstrates a level of understanding that indicts him, or sets him free. What you DO understand is that the bible says these things are true. Thus without excuse.
God is God whether we believe in him not. If every man on the planet turned atheist, God would still be God. He does not need us to believe in him, he does not need anything and he does what he pleases. God did not create us because he needs us. He did not create us because he is lonely. He created us as an act of his will. That we might know him. He is not obligated to create anything, reveal himself to anyone or to save anyone.
@irestinhim What if you replaced the word God with pickle. would your argument change in meaning? It wouldn't change because it is completely unintelligent to argue in absolutes. If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing. you said "God is God whether we believe in him or not" that isn't an argument. What if i told you that there is an ice cream stand on the moon? Would you believe me?
"If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing. you said "God is God whether we believe in him or not" that isn't an argument. What if i told you that there is an ice cream stand on the moon? Would you believe me?"
This demonstrates my point. Using regurgitated, ages old, already refuted arguments that are not your own, is not justification for unbelief.
You are exercising faith in those who have rejected the gospel, just as indeed you have done.
@ilikelazers, why you don't believe is irrelevant. You have had opportunity TO believe and refused. Nothing else matters. You see, that is what Unbelief IS. You cannot BE an unbeliever without having the opportunity TO believe. I can tell by your comments that you have heard all about Jesus, sin and the wrath of God.
Your response to the gospel demonstrates the true condition of your heart before God. If you don't judge yourSELF according to God's Laws and repent, Christ will judge YOU.
" If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing."
If you had done any of your own research and stopped trusting in the arguments of 'others' you would know this is not true. Yahweh predates Allah, so how can Allah logically be the only God?
@ilikelazers, whilst there are plenty of logical arguments for the existence of God, it is not belief in God that determines a man's salvation. It is belief in Christ. A man's response to hearing the gospel is what demonstrates the true condition of his heart before God. If he is in agreement with God concerning his sinful condition, he will repent and trust in Christ. If he is not in agreement with God concerning his sinful condition, he will seek any number of excuses NOT to believe.
@ilikelazers, The purpose of the gospel is to reveal those who believe and those who do not.
"He who believes is not condemned, but he who does not believe, stands condemned already for he does not believe in the name of God's only begotten Son."
A man is not condemned because of his sin, he is condemned because of his unbelief in Christ who died for his sin.
If you believe the gospel, you will repent.. If you do not believe the gospel, you will demonstrate yourself to be Unrepentant.
@irestinhim Well i guess im gunna burn in hell forever because i didn't believe in magic and ghosts. certainly it must be the moral thing to do with me.
@ilikelazers, the bible is right, don't trust men if what they say is not in accordance with the truth of scripture. Don't trust me, don't trust anyone. Repent and trust in Jesus. Do that, and many mysteries will be revealed. God has not hidden himself FROM you, he has hidden himself FOR you. He can only be found HIS way.
@ilikelazers, HIS way is through Christ. There is no other way.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end leads only to death."
I'm only hear to proclaim the gospel. I'm not judging you, I'm telling you to be honest with God about who you truly are. Judge yourself according to his Laws and see whether or not you would be able to stand before him perfectly righteous. His commandments will let you know if you are guilty of sin. Repent and trust in Christ and you shall live.
@ilikelazers, you need to know this truth. You are not arguing with me because you do not believe in God. You are arguing with me because you do not WANT to believe in the God of the bible. However, your own conscience testifies against you. God has been revealed so clearly since creation that every man is without excuse. Adam saw it, Cain saw it, Abraham saw it, Moses saw it, David saw it and YOU see it. You can say that God doesn't exist, but your conscience tells you otherwise.
@ilikelazers, here Paul is not only saying that this revelation is CLEAR, but also that to some degree in every man who has ever lived.. it is UNDERSTOOD.
So even if you have not consciously thought about it, your eyes have seen it.
No one COULD miss the truth about God and no one HAS missed the truth about God. What man has done is SUPPRESS the truth about God through wickedness. A wickedness that every man will succumb to when left to his own desires.
@ilikelazers, Atheism is the most unnatural philosophy on the face of the earth. Idolatry is more natural than atheism because even an idolater acknowledges a higher power outside of himself. For a man to be an atheist, he must not only deny the truth about God that he SEES in nature, he must also deliberately, repeatedly and wilfully suppress the truth about God found in his OWN conscience.
In the end.. it takes far more faith NOT to believe in God.
Matt, you're a genius. I wish we could get you on national TV for 2 or 3 timers per week - religion in this country would die in short order. Ironically, you have fulfilled your earlier goal to become a minister, the only difference is that instead of spreading nonsense, you now preach the truth. Honestly, you're the best "preacher" that I have ever heard.
CaneFu 1 hour ago
Awesome speech.
horanstreet 5 days ago
1:58 "The realization that there's no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice." This guy is awesome.
supahsekzy 1 week ago
Let´s all be nicer to christians than they are to us, let´s not want to torture and kill them for not thinking the way we do.
yatter1 3 weeks ago
@yatter1 We don't need to torture and kill them... only try to awaken their repressed reason.
Ragnarockalypse 6 days ago
@Ragnarockalypse I agree, it´s they who would torture and kill us and anyone who doesn´t belong to their pathetic club. It´s a tall order to awaken reason in the religious though, don´t you think?
yatter1 6 days ago
@yatter1 Definitely a tall order, and that's why I added the word "try" ;)
Ragnarockalypse 6 days ago
Moral of the story:
God ain't real. Read a book by Richard Dawkins.
AtheistGamer4 3 weeks ago 3
@AtheistGamer4 Or.. God ain´t real, read a book, any book.
yatter1 3 weeks ago
@TheCrimsonification,
I does sound like you have heard and understood the gospel message so I am not sure there is anything else anyone can say to you regarding it. It can be total futility attempting to explain what is essentially unexplainable to the unregenerate man.. God will not in any way diminish your accountability for sin by imposing his own will upon you. If you are to [be] saved, then at this point you must [want] to be saved.
irestinhim 3 weeks ago
@irestinhim Watch the video and listen.
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@TheCrimsonification said:
"Theists are p..... Why? Because they're indoctrinated f...... zombies that impose their religios will and beliefs on everyone and everything."
This to me is evidence of God's mercy toward you. There must be a lot of people praying for you because you can't seem to find anywhere where the gospel of Christ is [not] being proclaimed. Ironic isn't it, that what brings the greatest comfort to the believer also brings the greatest discomfort to the Unbeliever.
irestinhim 3 weeks ago
@TheCrimsonification,
The reason you feel so strongly about this is due to the message of the gospel having an effect on the hearer of it. The knowledge that an all powerful God is personally interested in you is what the unbeliever is most afraid of. Jesus is the source of refuge for the believer or the source of judgment for the unbeliever.
The gospel is light that exposes our sin before a holy God. We can allow the light to transform us or we can close the curtains and remain in darkness.
irestinhim 3 weeks ago
@irestinhim Do you seriously think yer thoughts and opinions have any bearing on me? Find a high spot and fall off it dipshit.
TheCrimsonification 3 weeks ago 2
@irestinhim Oh...and BTW... eat a shiturd and die asshole.
TheCrimsonification 3 weeks ago
@irestinhim I'm not afraid of an old book containing some ramblings stolen from oral myths of previous peoples lol - may as well be afraid of harry Potter- threatening an atheist with hell is like threatening to hit me with a bubble lol
apocalypticfire 2 weeks ago
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irestinhim 3 weeks ago
A reality in which a select few don't get to enjoy eternal bliss in infinitely preferable to a reality in which the vast, innocent majority get eternal torment.
Lolocaust00 4 weeks ago
I think the saddest thing is that this video is listed as comedy.
CrazyBluePrime 1 month ago
Animals are driven by instinct. Though humans may also be driven by instinct we also have in place an understanding of harm. This understanding is derived from an ablity to think of others well being as a part of our own need for wellness.
cynt123able 1 month ago
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Well, what is good or bad, right and wrong? How have we come to our conclusions of whom to reward or punish. If someone believes that what you think is wrong, is right, how do you judge that one. Is there a foundation or do we make it up as we go along?
You also talk about reality. I am sure Matt must know, that people who believe in the "fairy tale" of Jesus Christ, have done some of the greatest work's in order to change the wicked realities of this world?
prn72271 1 month ago
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prn72271 1 month ago
I wish I could memorize that rant. It was spot on. But, I'm an asshole, so I'll stick to letting the Theists know what fucked up pricks they are.
TheCrimsonification 1 month ago
@TheCrimsonification What is a prick and who is one? and why?
prn72271 1 month ago
@prn72271 Theists are pricks. Why? Because they're indoctrinated fucking zombies that impose their religios will and beliefs on everyone and everything. I couldn't help but notice you get a lot of "SPAM" flags. Bet you're one of those theists things, trolling around Atheist channels, hunting for Agnostics to assimilate, thinking it has real thoughts of it's own. Every single argument I hear on this show is shot to shit. And they make it look soooo easy. I'll stick to telling theists "Fuck you."
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irestinhim 3 weeks ago
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Except that evil wins out more the good and this is all man's doing.
TheDano1947 2 months ago
Except that evil wins out more the good and this is all man's doing.
TheDano1947 2 months ago
I love this video. I thought like that woman its understandable. Who wants to think that people who commit horrendous crimes and were never caught got away with it. But I agree with matt in order for this to occur less often we need to aknowlege they we are the defense against that.
cynt123able 2 months ago
@cynt123able The question why are "we" against such actions.
No one says that a tiger for instance committ's murder. When a Lion takes over a pride and kill's the young of the previous Lion, no one say's that it is wrong. The Lionesses in the pride don't seek justice.
I think it is imperitive that we ask where does the knowlegde or what we think is right and wrong come from? Especially, if we are in fact creations of nothing or chance.
prn72271 1 month ago
There's people in the comments saying they disagree with Matt. Could anyone out there who disagrees with Matt PLEASE specify why they disagree with him? Which points he makes are faulty etc? Saying you disagree or disagree without further elaboration keeps us all in wonder as to why you disagree. Thanks in advance.
FHomeBrew 2 months ago
WOW!!! you are awesome Dillahunty!! you got a friend in friendship,maine
freedom1234573 2 months ago
Hitler was a Catholic, and very religious.
Kida001 2 months ago
Life isnt fair but we can create societies that can make it fairer. To do this it is best to leave religion behind. Making society fairer is a long-term project and magic solutions from super-beings in the sky are a distraction. They are liable to sap our will if not lead us into unethicial behaviour.
aardvarkcustard 2 months ago
Matt makes a number of assumptions about the woman to base his reply. Since he doesn't validate his assumptions, his assault on her belief system and her character lack merit. Matt also argues from several erroneous assumptions about God, which, if he had stayed in school, he might have learned better. His view of God is so small, trivial, and trite that allows a hypothetical pedophile to trick Him with false confession and repentence. Clearly, his views on hell are literally erroneous.
BoanergesHere 2 months ago
@BoanergesHere You do realize that he's been educated fundamentally in the bible to go and preach it for thousands of people before he became an atheist right? And that thoroughly studying the bible is part of what made him become an atheist, right? If anyone knows this stuff it's Matt D. The way you put this in perspective is that the hypothetical pedophile is already beyond salvation. Then what would be the point in him living? We're taught that everyone can be saved at any time.
FHomeBrew 2 months ago
@BoanergesHere His hypothetical pedophile might not be faking his confession at all, he may be absolutely honest and wants Jesus in his life. If he is truthful about it, God should know, and he WILL be saved. Just like if you were lying about your belief in God, God should know, right? You can't be a good person, and say, "Sure, yeah, I believe in that god, yeah..." and expect him to believe you when you are only believing because it's safer to believe. He is apparently all knowing, right?
66gt40lm 1 month ago
This is NOT a rant. It's a SPEECH.
EllyMcCormack 2 months ago
Christianity offers the ultimate escape from Justice…
A guy in Hell meets another sufferer. “What did you do to get here?” he asks. “Oh, I killed my parents, wife and children and a neighbor kid. How about you?” The guy responds, “I stole a bike as a teenager.” In Heaven Mother Theresa is surprised to meet Jeffrey Dahmer. How did you get here?” she asks. “I repented in prison, was baptized and became a born again Christian.”
Yes, Christianity offers supremely twisted Justice….
apeek7 2 months ago
I love how he just stays so calm and articulate. Not a single "uhm" or stutter.
FHomeBrew 2 months ago
Did you see the dislike bar? I didn't cuz I didn't have a microscope.
FHomeBrew 2 months ago
MATT DILLAHUNTY HAS BRAIN FARTS ALL THE TIME. ALL HE EVER DOES IS FART UP A FUCKING STORM FROM HIS FAT FUCKING ASS. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID ATHEISTIC FUCK BEFORE I FUCKING KILL YOU AND AVENGE JESUS MY SAVIOR.
ajhrockerboy6 2 months ago
@ajhrockerboy6 How christian of you sir. Why don't you just forgive him?
steviepollock1 2 months ago
@ajhrockerboy6 How Christian of you.
Faerlon123 2 months ago
@ajhrockerboy6 Blow yourself up against a building while on the way. People do not seem to notice how disgusting religion is and how violent, volatile, and divisive theists can be. Thank you for giving me and the youtube community the reminder with your all-capped and pugnacious comment.
alo754 2 months ago
This was well written and spoken. I don't agree with him, but I can understand his points and appreciate his sincerity.
BradyLR 2 months ago
Very elloquent, but unfortunately, you will never get a person of religion to actually listen to it. Keep up the good work Matt.
suitnthaiguy 2 months ago 2
Well said!
Adonijas 2 months ago
MATT DILLAHUNTY vs JESUS CHRIST!! lol
/watch?v=VbwimILLLcs
atheist comedy , all for fun :D
TheAnimatheist 2 months ago
Matt is a brilliant thinker and pleasure to listen to.
drmoroe 3 months ago
i love you matt. i hope one day you become as famous as hitchens and dawkins cause you're just as good a speaker. brilliant!
gat0rgirl13 3 months ago
Fuck god...I can be the next Hitler and kill millions, ask forgiveness on my death bed and live in heaven forever. I can be a pillar of the community, do good, be the best person I know how to be, save lives, etc...and go to hell simply for lack of knowledge of God or choosing the wrong god/religion...yeah, fuck your God!
Jeffgothro 3 months ago 47
@Jeffgothro FUCK YOURSELF. COME OVER HERE AND I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU.
ajhrockerboy6 2 months ago
@Jeffgothro actually according to it, you can be the next Hitler and not even have to ask for forgiveness.
ApostateOfTheDamned 2 months ago
@Jeffgothro BUT U CANT B GUD PERSUN WITOUT JEZUS!
nmckee503 1 month ago
=D
raleco123 3 months ago
An Ovation guitar?!? Now I KNOW there is no god. =B)
rldickie 3 months ago
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HEY MATT YOU FAT ATHEISTIC FUCK. IF HUMANS ARE BIOLOGICAL MACHINES THEN WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING FAT. GO DIE FROM A HEART ATTACK YOU FAT FUCK.
ajhrockerboy6 3 months ago
@ajhrockerboy6 u mad bro? xD
MASSRCOR 3 months ago
@ajhrockerboy6 Just keep on spreading Jesus's love. If that post isn't seen in a court of law, at least you must believe that you'll be judged in hell.
VALENTINEBEAMS 3 months ago
amen.
davdd1032 3 months ago
I would like to see this speech published. It's one of the best I've ever heard, and it should be preserved in print.
Largo64 3 months ago 31
Matt, BRAVO! Wonderfully stated. Christian belief is based on emotional need not on evidence or sound reasoning. I know this b/c I was one for 20+ yrs, as were you. Thank you!
It's funny how Christians come to have their beliefs about reality but then when challenged they often don't give THOSE reasons. They give other reasons that have nothing to do with why they actually believe it (i.e. - b/c it makes them feel good)
transcendentalsunify 4 months ago 5
@TheOptimistPrime What ? Are you saying that because the bible "denigrates womens" and "advocates slaverys" it makes me believe in it ? and what that has to do with atheistic viewpoint ? You're essentially saying " by saying anything about Harry Potter you believe in magic"
TheDuck1234 4 months ago
video posted... thanks for putting words so more eloquently than I ever could
aaron2414 4 months ago
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@jpgrygus "Thanks for your OPINION Matt...but any proof God doesnt exist? No? Thought so...."
Please take a course on formal logic before you post on this topic again. Thanks.
Terncote 4 months ago
Thanks for your OPINION Matt...but any proof God doesnt exist? No? Thought so....
jpgrygus 4 months ago
@jpgrygus pathetic psychobable. It is by definition impossible to prove an negative. If you need to hide behind logical impossibilities in order to justify your illogical belief in your precious pathetic fairy tale god then that's just sad. To state that there is a god is an extraordinary assertion. Extraordinary assertions require extraordinary evidence... either provide it or you ain't got nothin'.
Drweavil 4 months ago 2
@Drweavil , thanks for that, I am so sick of them saying that same stupid statement over and over. And then that's their proof that there is a god, so dumb.
sdacrowe 4 months ago
@sdacrowe Dumb doesn't even begin to cover it mate. There is no proof of any god, not even the slightest piece of evidence, yet these people still cling to their irrational beliefs while demanding special privileges along the way. Even a cursory glance at the bible or the quran shows multiple contradictions and inconsistencies yet this fool still thinks that we have to prove the damn nonsense he believes to be untrue? No. Put up or shut up...
Drweavil 4 months ago 2
@jpgrygus Retard detected. Just learn about disease. Quite easy to see there is no loving creator/controller.
EliteDoomer 4 months ago
@jpgrygus
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
mb.
tellnet 4 months ago
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whatchalamagopagoop 4 months ago
@jpgrygus Can you prove that there ISN'T a dragon flying above my house in another plane of existence? No? Thought so...
etowngftddummy 4 months ago
Hello sir, I highly recommend you change your name to Matt Killdacunty. That is all, good day.
justCrafted 4 months ago
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@justCrafted
Hello sir, I highly recommend you change your name to JustShafted. That is all, good day.
tellnet 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"Thanks; I've read it five times in the past six years. I know it well."
Therein lays the problem. Jesus Christ IS the gospel. To know the gospel is to know Christ. The gospel is not about a system of beliefs. The gospel is Jesus Christ. Add or take anything away from Christ and the gospel is no longer the gospel.
This is essentially why Paul preached Christ alone. There is no gospel (good news) apart from the person and work of Christ.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "Jesus Christ IS the gospel" and now you are just pulling shit out of your ass. its really hard to argue with you when you dont play by the rules. Gospel is story telling. And if you want to difine it somehow difrently, im afraid we cant have any discusion bechose you are dishonest. So, Bobies and have a nice day.
gethsoftware 4 months ago
@lhvinny,
As Keikergaard, the 19th Century Danish philosopher said, "human reason must accept its limitations, the objective and empirical parameters of its capability and allow the illogic of paradox to remain."
In other words, "Doubt is the foundation of faith."
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim I completely disagree that fear is the beginning of wisdom. Fear is a wonderful emotion; it keeps us from taking unnecessary risks, helps keep our judgements in line with personal preservation, and protects us from foreseeable danger. However, fear is not a path to greater understanding, wisdom, or knowledge. In order to gain more understanding, wisdom or knowledge, one must adventure into uncharted areas, the very place fear would urge us not to go.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"I completely disagree that fear is the beginning of wisdom."
"The fear of THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom."
also said:
"God wants love."
Yes, but not the definition of love that the world embraces. This definition is precisely why the world is permeated with immorality.
Also said:
"I continue to notice many parallels between your version of god and a tyrant"
This comes as no surprise. World history leaves you no choice. Again... 'human reason.'
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim funny. your gods "love" thems to be the kind of "crazy girlfriend" love. he is afraid out if his mind of other gods. The kind of "love" you embrace is not real or good kind of love. The kind of love today embraces is Equle and fair. you treat others as your equle. not as subjects like your god does. allso The so called "human" reason as you said it is pretty much basis of everything that you do. without human reason, i dout you whuld exist.
gethsoftware 4 months ago
@lhvinny "I completely disagree that fear is the beginning of wisdom. "
Totally agree with you. "Fear of the lord is the beginning [and middle and end] of wisdom" (my interpolations). Fear is self-concern, which is entirely natural but a lesser form of morality than compassion for others. Conservative christians don't seem able to see this.
crapatev 4 months ago
@lhvinny,
It may help you to realise that none of your arguments are your own.. Thus, you have only demonstrated faith in those who have argued before you. You may consider yourself wise, but you are only standing on the shoulders of those who went before you. There are many who think they are wise, but they base that wisdom on 'human reason.'
The bible says that 'every man is wise in his own eyes." but 'The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "The bible says that 'every man is wise in his own eyes." but 'The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."" Why should I care what the Bible says? You have failed to give show it is authoritative or worth listening to. Quoting a supposed holy book gets you nowhere.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@ilikelazers, the truth that Paul is teaching is this: You don't even need a bible to see and understand the revelation that God has given of himself to all men. You don't need to go to church to figure it out and you don't even need to hear the gospel.
So in conclusion, how much less excuse does a man have who DOES have a bible, who HAS gone to church and who HAS heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and rejected and suppressed all of this truth?
I want you to seriously think on these things.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim dude, dont you have anything better to do than spread your bronze age ramblings on a comment section that does not care about you at all?
shandow15 5 months ago
@irestinhim why doesn't "god" give himself to starving africans? why doesn't "god" give himself to innocent victims in middle eastern conflict? why does he only give himself to people who were born in christian families? the truth is that you have absolutely nothing but a book that written by ignorant men (ignorance of natural science) and somehow you have come to the conclusion that it is everything. you are much more ignorant than they were, at least they tried to find the truth.
ilikelazers 4 months ago
@ilikelazers,
God has given of himself to every human being. We are made in his image, but as spiritual people our decisions are all derived from a spiritual source. We are either in submission to God or satan. Suffering brings men to the end of themselves, causing them to seek someone beyond themselves. Often suffering is the consequence of living our lives contrary to what God has wanted of us. God does not impose himself on a man's free will. That would contravene why he created us.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "We are either in submission to God or satan." Bold assertion coupled with a false dichotomy. You would need to demonstrate that both of these beings exist. You also ignore that one can choose to not submit to either being.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny sai:
"You would need to demonstrate that both of these beings exist."
No I wouldn't. That IS the dichotomy. Something beyond human reason makes all of this possible. That is what it means to be theo-logical. The numerous paradoxes and assumed contradictions only make sense if something greater than human reason exists.. Supernatural revelation. Something that cannot be gleaned by the finite human mind.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
" Bold assertion coupled with a false dichotomy."
There is no false dichotomy when we derive all of our decision-making from a spiritual source that is beyond the understanding of the finite mind? Keikergard the Dutch philosopher struggled with these issues and said himself that these things can only be perfectly reconciled if there is something that transcends 'human reason.' Theo-logic or theology as you probably know it does exactly that. Supernatural revelation.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "There is no false dichotomy when we derive all of our decision-making from a spiritual source that is beyond the understanding of the finite mind?" So,you do all your decision-making by shutting down the very part of your body that does the decision-making processes (your finite mind)? This is beyond foolish.
You keep referring to "supernatural revelation." Until such a revelation occurs to me, why should I regard anything you say as true, and how does this revelation occur?
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny, human reason is insufficient for becoming or being a Christian because it cannot comprehend what faith perceives and receives.
If you think that Christianity is illogical and absurd at a natural level, you would be right. That is why it is referred to as 'theology.' or 'theo-logic.' Faith is not based or grounded in human reason. I am not a believer because it made sense for me to be a believer. I am a believer because I received revelation from something that transcends human reason.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim Why you believe, again, shows that the god of your mythology utterly fails at the one thing it supposedly wants to do: reconnect with humans so that they may be in heaven with him. Requiring a "supernatural revelation" which obviously doesn't occur for each individual demonstrates that your god, indeed, doesn't want everyone to go to heaven. Fetuses which die before cognitive ability definitely never get the revelation. It is an asinine system.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim It also fails to reconsile why members of every religion claim the same "supernatural revelation" or "supernatural experience." You obviously don't count those who claim to have been visited by The Goddess, Bast, Thor, Allah, Lord Krishna or any other deity, or possibly even aliens as valid. Their experience, based on what you've shared, should be equally as convincing, yet they are not to you.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim Your "supernatural revelation" also fails to explain why those who even believe in the same god as you do draw different conclusions about what that god wants or how that god set up the world. For example, there are many Christians who claim that god does not hold children accountable for sin until the "age of reason" and that all infants who die before that time still go to heaven. They also claim this came by divine revelation, just as you do. Your revelation is not convincing.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "God does not impose himself on a man's free will." Your own mythology says you're wrong. God imposed his will on Pharaoh by hardening his heart and preventing him from letting the Hebrews free.
Also, prayer for things would also be meaningless if your God didn't impose himself on man's free will. If someone prays for a job opportunity, how is that not circumventing the free will of the employer to pick their application over others, or making a job opening available at all?
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"God imposed his will on Pharaoh by hardening his heart and preventing him from letting the Hebrews free."
You have jumped from 'false dichotomy' to making theological statements as the basis for rejecting or discrediting the God of the bible and the scriptures. Interesting position. One refutes the other.
BTW, God simply turned the Pharaoh's own curse back on himself and his own people. It was Pharaoh who first tried to kill the firstborn Hebrew children.
Miss that bit?
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "It was Pharaoh who first tried to kill the firstborn Hebrew children." Oh, so two wrongs make a right, is it?
"Supernatural revelation. Something that cannot be gleaned by the finite human mind." So, again, you fully admit that you don't have any knowledge that what you're saying is true. I again assert you are just blowing smoke.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "You have jumped from 'false dichotomy' to making theological statements as the basis for rejecting or discrediting the God of the bible and the scriptures. Interesting position. One refutes the other." Only if you completely ignore the context in which the statement was made. If you read the sentence preceding the one you quoted, it says "Your own mythology says you're wrong." I gave an example from your mythology. I suggest avoid quote mining.
lhvinny 4 months ago
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@lhvinny said:
" If someone prays for a job opportunity, how is that not circumventing the free will of the employer to pick their application over others, or making a job opening available at all?"
You view God as a glorified bell-hop running up and down the halls of heaven.. in much the way 'human reason' would attempt to do. The true believer prays "thy will be done and not mine." Christianity is not 'imitating' Christ.. It is the risen lord Jesus living in those who believe.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@ilikelazers, it helps to understand that no one is innocent, right down to the one who hasn't yet seen the light of day. So deeply entrenched in sin is the human race that we require salvation through redemption. The revelation that will make these truths known to you cannot be taught or explained by human reason. This knowledge transcends human reason. That is why it is called theology. Theo-logic. A supernatural logic that transcends human logic, based on the divine nature of God.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "it helps to understand that no one is innocent, right down to the one who hasn't yet seen the light of day." So you're telling me that my unborn niece or nephew is already guilty of something? Sorry, that doesn't fly. Guilt is a consequence of one's own actions. He or she hasn't even taken his or her own breath yet and you have the gull to say he or she is guilty of something. How evil and twisted of an idea.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"So you're telling me that my unborn niece or nephew is already guilty of something?"
Your brother's or sister's child is guilty of the same thing as you and I. We are guilty of being part of the human race. As there is none who are righteous, it is only logical that this child will also grow up to rebel against God. YOU may even play a huge part in the child's rebellion. It doesn't matter how good WE think we are. God does not judge us on our own opinion of ourselves.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"How evil and twisted of an idea."
How can you claim the moral high ground with a worldview where no moral absolutes exist? What is your basis for calling anything evil?
Why would it be evil of me to kill you? Would it be because the bible confirms what your conscience already testifies to? That it is morally wrong because it contravenes the Laws of God?
Without moral absolutes, what would it matter whether we love or kill each other?
The dichotomy lays with YOU.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "How can you claim the moral high ground with a worldview where no moral absolutes exist?" I never stated my position when it comes to moral absolutes. I also never claimed a moral high ground. You are projecting.
"What is your basis for calling anything evil?" I'm basing it on the idea that one is innocent of a crime until after the crime is committed. The idea that one is guilty without a crime committed is not a form of justice. It is horribly unsound.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny, your arguments are all based on 'human reason.' The knowledge I have received is beyond 'human reason.'
That is why I only have the gospel of Jesus Christ for you to hear. You cannot logic your way into heaven or rationalise the irrational. Every logical paradox and contradiction can only be reconciled if there is something that transcends 'human reason.' Revelation is 'caught' it is not 'taught.' By the Spirit and not by the finite mind.
The gospel speaks to a man's spirit.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "The knowledge I have received is beyond 'human reason.'" Bull. You are still human and therefore only have the reasoning capabilities of a human. Saying that you have something beyond human reason only means you can't explain it or justify it, which means it is indistinguishable from making it up.
"That is why I only have the gospel of Jesus Christ for you to hear." Thanks; I've read it five times in the past six years. I know it well.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny Also, according to what I've read from others, God wants love. Love based in fear, or fear coupled with love, is not true love. It is a fake love; the type of love tyrants demand and receive. I continue to notice many parallels between your version of god and a tyrant, in action, desires, and thought process.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"That is why I only have the gospel of Jesus Christ for you to hear." Thanks; I've read it five times in the past six years. I know it well."
Thus why you indict yourself.
The rest of your commentary is simply more of the same. The arguments of others.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "You cannot logic your way into heaven or rationalise the irrational." I agree. So what?
"Thus, you have only demonstrated faith in those who have argued before you." Wrong. The arguments presented are abased on evidence. Faith is belief without evidence. You fail to know the basic definition of faith.
"You may consider yourself wise, but you are only standing on the shoulders of those who went before you" Where did I ever claim to be wise?
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "Why would it be evil of me to kill you?" It depends on the circumstances. A society in which killing someone without justification is okay will not propagate very well, since we are dependent upon each other, as a social species, for our mutual survival. Thus, termination of a life without justification is evil. However, if termination of my life was found to preserve the life of others (self-defense, for example), then it is justified.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "Would it be because the bible confirms what your conscience already testifies to?" Not at all. The idea of not killing without justification dates back a lot farther than the Bible. It is a natural consequence of being a member of a species that survives via interaction with other members of that species in a mutually beneficial relationship.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "That it is morally wrong because it contravenes the Laws of God?" No. God's Law also says it's an abomination to eat shell fish. I do not see eating shell fish as evil even though it contravenes God's Law. I also do not see it wrong to not give the Sabbath to God.
"The dichotomy lays with YOU." You don't even know what dichotomy means, do you?
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny said:
"No. God's Law also says it's an abomination to eat shell fish."
There is a world of difference between a night over the porcelain and transferring congenital birth defects by immoral behaviour that stand to pass on the affections of that immorality to future generations.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "There is a world of difference between a night over the porcelain and transferring congenital birth defects by immoral behaviour that stand to pass on the affections of that immorality to future generations." I agree. So what? You, again, take my quote completely out of context. It was simply to demonstrate that "God's Law" is not something I fully agree with and thus mutes your point of saying I appeal to its supposed authority.
lhvinny 4 months ago
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@irestinhim Why the tangent into transference of birth defects by immoral behavior? The original topic was on killing is something to avoid in most cases.
"I am a believer because I received revelation from something that transcends human reason." You didn't bother to answer my questions: Until I have such a revelation (which I never did as a Christian) why should I believe you? How does one get this revelation?
lhvinny 4 months ago
@lhvinny, it makes perfect sense that you cannot call me 'evil' without in fact refuting your own position.
If I am evil, then so too must everyone else be. Otherwise the point you reach where you distinguish between 'good' and 'evil' is grounded in your own arbitrary standard.
I understand why you cannot see beyond 'human reason' concerning the scriptures, but your 'human reason' and 'human logic' is also sadly flawed. You contradict and refute your own position.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@lhvinny, confusion over what is truth is the evidence that truth is important to us. Why is it important? Why do we have this innate desire to seek truth?
Because we are creatures made in the image of the one who created us. Our entire existence is derived from the very source of life himself, God. We are created to be dependent upon God. Struggling with logical contradictions and paradoxes is a search for truth. God has not hidden himself FROM us, he has hidden himself FOR us.
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim "Why do we have this innate desire to seek truth? Because we are creatures made in the image of the one who created us." Wrong. Truth allows us to seek meaning patterns and make predictions about phenomenon in the world. These patterns and ability to make predictions is what allows us to advance in all realms of science. It has nothing to do with some supposed creator for which you refuse to provide evidence even exists.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@irestinhim "God has not hidden himself FROM us, he has hidden himself FOR us." Then you god does a piss poor job at the very thing it supposedly wishes to accomplish: forming a relationship with its creation. Surely an omniscient being would realize that hiding itself "for us" will directly lead to a consequence for those people which is, supposedly, against his wishes. It is an asinine position that even my "flawed human logic" can see. Surely a superior being would see it as well.
lhvinny 4 months ago
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@irestinhim "The revelation that will make these truths known to you cannot be taught or explained by human reason." If they are beyond human ability to understand, then you cannot know that they are true. As such, you fully admit that you are just blowing smoke.
lhvinny 4 months ago
@ilikelazers, all a true Christian can offer you is the message of the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. God works through this message to save men. He will not force any man to believe as that would contravene a man's free will. If a man humbles himself, confesses his sin and provides God with the basis upon which to forgive him, God will not turn him away.
God introduced himself to me in a period of great brokenness..
irestinhim 4 months ago
@irestinhim You should be put in a looney bin with the rest of the people who talk to "god"
ilikelazers 4 months ago
This wasn't a rant, but it was the greatest monologue I've ever heard Matt D say.
GodofVengence 5 months ago
but also to condemn him as a christian is wrong also "why look at the plank in one mans eye when you can't see the log in yours". this means just because he does not believe the way you do does not give you the right to say "go to hell" you do not codemn him. I say respect him for his views understand what he is saying and refute after that. Also, to atheist the reason for my changeup on my views is due to the fact that science does nothing but, come up with theories and has no solid base.
MrBiblical 5 months ago
the part that makes me distrust matt is he was a christian before so somewhere deep down he does believe the bible still probably just struggling like we all do. as a catholic i struggle with wanting to believe the bible i grew up an atheist myself so in part i respect matt and dislike ignorant christians who say what they believe is truth. even though i would consider myself catholic but i am well rounded and education.
MrBiblical 5 months ago
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@EqualAndFree said:
"Or, as the famous saying goes: "Faith is that quality that enables us to believe what we know to be untrue."
If what one believes is untrue, it holds no value, so why believe it? Faith in Christ is trust in Christ, trust in the knowledge of his teaching and commitment to application of those teachings. As Jesus said, "why do you call me Lord, but not do what I say?"
irestinhim 5 months ago
Matt D is not as wise as he thinks he is. The bible does inform him of this..
"For every man is wise in his OWN eyes."
One day Matty D will have to eat his own words and unless he repents and trusts in Christ, he will have all of eternity to eat them.
"Who is the Liar? He is the man who says that Jesus is not the Christ. He is the anti -christ and has neither the Father or the Son."
"He who believes is not condemned, but he who does not believe stands condemned already."
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim You bowed the knee to your Lord, Master and Owner. You know you have no rights to your own life, for "you are not your own; you are bought with a price." No doubt you "observe all things whatsoever He has commanded you." You have "forsake[n] all that you have, and your own soul also." If you have not done so, you "are not worthy to be [his] disciple", and i bet my life, you have not. You should first obey Christ rather than condemn others for not doing what you will not do either.
dmorono 5 months ago
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@dmorono said:
"You should first obey Christ rather than condemn others for not doing what you will not do either."
I completely agree. Spoken like someone who possibly tried and either failed or gave up. Am I close?
irestinhim 5 months ago
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@dmorono, part of that obedience is proclaiming the gospel message. The gospel IS an offensive message. No man wants to believe he is sinful and needs to receive God's forgiveness, so it is a normal response to feel offended. If you don't believe in Jesus, there is nothing anyone can say or do. God has put everything in place for a man's salvation. He simply waits for men to repent. He is extremely patient, but will not wait forever.
Salvation requires acknowledging the truth about ourselves.
irestinhim 5 months ago
"Matty D laying down the law to some woman."
This is precisely why Matt D is a hypocrite. He is claiming the moral high ground in a worldview where there exists no moral absolutes.
Matt D is judging God by the very same standard that God will be judging HIM.
Thus Matt D refutes his own position.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim I think you forgot the part about not believing in 'god'. even if what you said was actually true it would prove that Matt is 'god like' in this clip. please enlighten us all on how he refutes his own position
ilikelazers 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"please enlighten us all on how he refutes his own position"
Certainly. Matt attempts to claim the moral high ground whilst endorsing a worldview where there exists no moral absolutes. Thus, he has no grounds or foundational basis for morality. In a nut-shell, Matt has successfully demonstrated judgment upon God, by the very same laws that God will be judging HIM. Matt has not refuted the truth of the scriptures... He has confirmed them.
Lesson? God is God and we are NOT.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim you are making a false assumption. since matt doesn't believe in god (do you understand that?) he cannot judge him. it would be like an adult who lives alone putting out milk and cookies for santa claus. it wouldn't make any sense (unless he still believed in him :/). do you believe that matt thinks it's ok to murder, rape or kidnap people? of course not. does he share the same morals as most of the world? i think so. how does this make you think his position is no morals?
ilikelazers 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, I cannot be your eyes and ears, so I am powerless if you do not like the answer.
One last time..
Matt is attempting to claim the moral high ground in a worldview where there exists no moral absolutes. I did not say that Matt has no morals. The FACT that he DOES have morals is what refutes his position. MD is judging, by the very same standard by which HE will be judged. You cannot use the Laws of God to judge any man without indicting yourSELF. Thus he refutes his own position.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim You are using logic that is based on an assumption. I cant be your eyes and ears either. Matt cannot use laws from something that doesn't exist (HE DOESNT BELIEVE IN A GOD!!!) His entire rant concludes with telling the woman that it is a lie. The only reason he brought god into the discussion is because that is what the woman believes. He has to bring it up to refute him, not use his laws. Your god does not own morality, it is innate in us. without it we could never be civil
ilikelazers 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"Matt cannot use laws from something that doesn't exist"
Correct.. So why is he?
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"Your god does not own morality, it is innate in us."
God does not 'own' morality, he IS morality. He is the moral ethos in whom all righteousness abides. To suggest that morality is 'innate' is to confirm the truth of the scriptures. You do indeed have a conscience given by God. Being civil is a choice as we are able to love one minute and murder in the next. The greatest mystery of all. How can one so capable of love also be capable of such abominable evil? The sin nature.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim It is unfortunate that you cannot have an intelligent discussion because you won't accept a scenario where you could be wrong. God is not a fact, it is a belief.
ilikelazers 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"It is unfortunate that you cannot have an intelligent discussion because you won't accept a scenario where you could be wrong."
I'm not right. The bible is right. One either doesn't understand the scriptures or simply rejects them. Every man has enough understanding to be able to suppress the truth. Thus he demonstrates a level of understanding that indicts him, or sets him free. What you DO understand is that the bible says these things are true. Thus without excuse.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"God is not a fact, it is a belief."
God is God whether we believe in him not. If every man on the planet turned atheist, God would still be God. He does not need us to believe in him, he does not need anything and he does what he pleases. God did not create us because he needs us. He did not create us because he is lonely. He created us as an act of his will. That we might know him. He is not obligated to create anything, reveal himself to anyone or to save anyone.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim What if you replaced the word God with pickle. would your argument change in meaning? It wouldn't change because it is completely unintelligent to argue in absolutes. If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing. you said "God is God whether we believe in him or not" that isn't an argument. What if i told you that there is an ice cream stand on the moon? Would you believe me?
ilikelazers 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
"If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing. you said "God is God whether we believe in him or not" that isn't an argument. What if i told you that there is an ice cream stand on the moon? Would you believe me?"
This demonstrates my point. Using regurgitated, ages old, already refuted arguments that are not your own, is not justification for unbelief.
You are exercising faith in those who have rejected the gospel, just as indeed you have done.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, why you don't believe is irrelevant. You have had opportunity TO believe and refused. Nothing else matters. You see, that is what Unbelief IS. You cannot BE an unbeliever without having the opportunity TO believe. I can tell by your comments that you have heard all about Jesus, sin and the wrath of God.
Your response to the gospel demonstrates the true condition of your heart before God. If you don't judge yourSELF according to God's Laws and repent, Christ will judge YOU.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers said:
" If you changed it to Allah it would mean exactly the same thing."
If you had done any of your own research and stopped trusting in the arguments of 'others' you would know this is not true. Yahweh predates Allah, so how can Allah logically be the only God?
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, whilst there are plenty of logical arguments for the existence of God, it is not belief in God that determines a man's salvation. It is belief in Christ. A man's response to hearing the gospel is what demonstrates the true condition of his heart before God. If he is in agreement with God concerning his sinful condition, he will repent and trust in Christ. If he is not in agreement with God concerning his sinful condition, he will seek any number of excuses NOT to believe.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, The purpose of the gospel is to reveal those who believe and those who do not.
"He who believes is not condemned, but he who does not believe, stands condemned already for he does not believe in the name of God's only begotten Son."
A man is not condemned because of his sin, he is condemned because of his unbelief in Christ who died for his sin.
If you believe the gospel, you will repent.. If you do not believe the gospel, you will demonstrate yourself to be Unrepentant.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim Well i guess im gunna burn in hell forever because i didn't believe in magic and ghosts. certainly it must be the moral thing to do with me.
ilikelazers 5 months ago
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@ilikelazers said:
"Well i guess im gunna burn in hell forever because i didn't believe in magic and ghosts."
No.. Because you did not believe in Jesus.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, the bible is right, don't trust men if what they say is not in accordance with the truth of scripture. Don't trust me, don't trust anyone. Repent and trust in Jesus. Do that, and many mysteries will be revealed. God has not hidden himself FROM you, he has hidden himself FOR you. He can only be found HIS way.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, HIS way is through Christ. There is no other way.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end leads only to death."
I'm only hear to proclaim the gospel. I'm not judging you, I'm telling you to be honest with God about who you truly are. Judge yourself according to his Laws and see whether or not you would be able to stand before him perfectly righteous. His commandments will let you know if you are guilty of sin. Repent and trust in Christ and you shall live.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, you need to know this truth. You are not arguing with me because you do not believe in God. You are arguing with me because you do not WANT to believe in the God of the bible. However, your own conscience testifies against you. God has been revealed so clearly since creation that every man is without excuse. Adam saw it, Cain saw it, Abraham saw it, Moses saw it, David saw it and YOU see it. You can say that God doesn't exist, but your conscience tells you otherwise.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, this is what Paul is teaching in Romans Chapter 1. Read it and listen to what he is saying.
“Since what may be known about God is PLAIN to them, because God has MADE it plain to them.”
It is so clear that no one can miss it or ignore it.
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been CLEARLY seen.”
No man can deny God's truth, he can only suppress it.
"Clearly SEEN and UNDERSTOOD"
Wow.
(Cont)
irestinhim 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, here Paul is not only saying that this revelation is CLEAR, but also that to some degree in every man who has ever lived.. it is UNDERSTOOD.
So even if you have not consciously thought about it, your eyes have seen it.
No one COULD miss the truth about God and no one HAS missed the truth about God. What man has done is SUPPRESS the truth about God through wickedness. A wickedness that every man will succumb to when left to his own desires.
There is no such thing as an atheist.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@irestinhim Fuck off, bible-thumper. No one wants to hear your bullshit.
lordrectumslasher 5 months ago
@ilikelazers, Atheism is the most unnatural philosophy on the face of the earth. Idolatry is more natural than atheism because even an idolater acknowledges a higher power outside of himself. For a man to be an atheist, he must not only deny the truth about God that he SEES in nature, he must also deliberately, repeatedly and wilfully suppress the truth about God found in his OWN conscience.
In the end.. it takes far more faith NOT to believe in God.
irestinhim 5 months ago
@EqualAndFree, as Jesus said to Thomas.. "You have seen and believe, blessed are those who have not seen and believe. Stop doubting and believe."
Faith is trust.. Trust in a knowledge that is truth.. and making a Commitment to that knowledge. Faith is not blind.
Believing Jesus is doing what he says to do and trusting in him alone.. Faith commits to that trust.
irestinhim 5 months ago