@AlexandrosMykael You create your own hell by the stringent rules you impose on yourself and on your conscience. How does this help you to be happy? It is an ego problem. With less ego, you will be humble enough to not seek for all these so-called high moral rules in books like the Bible and the Koran. The Truth will set you free and only one in a billion know this in reality.
In 1998 Jesus Himself paid me a visit and let me know that I belong to Him but that just because I did didn't mean He wouldn't punish me on account of my love for porn!
Jesus is the real deal, people! Pray for Him to enter your lives and while you do PLEASE say a prayer for me, too, a great sinner, to somehow have nothing more to do with porn! It's such a powerful evil and by myself I feel helpless to conquer it. Your prayers to Jesus would be enough, I'm sure, for me to be free of it. THANKS!!
@guyNbluejeans Jesdus does not punish people. If you feel guilty and wanna repent, your guilt and sorrow will purify you, but Jesus is just there to receive you. Porn is not evil if you watch it with your wife or lover. However, if you make a cult out of it, then you are causing yourself and others evil. Remember that it does not harm God or Jesus in any way.
God is proving His word true. The primary message through Muhammad was to follow the whole Bible. Jesus taught to follow every word of God. All faiths need to follow what is written for holy days to have unity and God's kingdom on earth. All have been told to follow all God's Laws. Jesus is the Word of God, when we see him as that, we know how to be one with him and he was one with the word of God. Divine-Way com has petition and call for religion Special Envoy text of HR 440.
So i am guessing Islam want to try to convince christians that jesus is not the way. Christianity constantly proves through love that it is the truth for god is love from what i see from islam its constant judgement, arrogance, and punishment. If this was a christian family whos daughter turned to islam they would of stood by there daughters decision and hold her even closer. to me God is understanding God is love and God is forgiveness
The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Quran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. The man in the Quran is called the Mahdi, or Islam's savior. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist. Could it be possible that they are one and the same person?
jesus translates to zeus in hebrew and aramiac,holy to helel/lucifer,god to hasatan,lord to baal zeus was the 666th nyphilim king to rule the earth during the days of the hamaschia yahuwshua son of yahweh...do not be fooled
@grvc44 it's the khmer rouge. no, I don't like them either, because they killed millions of people. so yes, I would put all of these people into the same bracket of mass-murderers, bringers of war and destruction. just as one deist says they are right everyone else is wrong, the others say the same. and they use it as justification for their evil doings. I don't need to believe in superstition to believe that evil exists.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
There ya go, now you cannot say you wasn't warned.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
@athanasiadis24 Im glad He didnt decide to send is word in a language that was about to be extinct and which couldnt be preserved. i.e Aramic the language and word of Jesus. Where is his word in Aramic ? the Bible you have today is a translation of something that doesn't exist :) how strange. And on top of it you are still reserching to descover more scripture because they know its lost really
@EvidenceFaith Again, you are paraphrasing what Muslims told you. Do some research on that aside from what Moslems say, that our translations are "corrupted" etc etc
@athanasiadis Islam growing ,Yes that's a never ending debate even if CNN & BBC reports it. What resource do you get your doctrine from ? where it may be lets however not forget that too many Christians wont belive what the Bible says but still are counted as Christians. Look at the church, they are empty. Too many atheists are also documented as christians :) I see it in my uni all the time. Anyhow would you like me to find u a link where cnn talks about islams growth or u can manage?
@EvidenceFaith I am sure Islam is growing, but it's not the fastest growing religion. According to Al-Jazeera 6 mil Muslims convert to Christianity annualy! Even if it IS the fastest growing religion, that doesn't make it the truth under any circumstances.
@EvidenceFaith I am sure Islam is growing, but it's not the fastest growing religion. According to Al-Jazeera 6 mil Muslims convert to Christianity annualy! Even if it IS the fastest growing religion, that doesn't make it the truth under any circumstances.
@athanasiadis24 Im not trying to trick you as you seem to reply that way. Im only learning something I wonder and discussing it . Tell me something. There is a couple of thousands of years between the early followers of Moses and the coming of Jesus. The Jews like all previous prophets worshipped the 1 God and nothing to do with a son and yet could to heaven. Why to change basic religion doctrine 1alone God to 1of3 later?
@EvidenceFaith Yes I am sorry for thinking that you were trying to trick me, I already apologized, it was my mistake.
God sent Jesus, it was His will to alter this doctrine. Jesus is God incarnate. Holy Spirit is our guide, Jesus promised to send it after His death.
What you need to understand is that we clearly do not worship three Gods. They are one and the same. Adonai is the Creator, Jesus is the Creator Incarnate, and Holy Spirit is Jesus' heir, our guide after His noble death.
@athanasiadis24 The introduction of 3 but 1 was a huge change in Allah's old stress on the 1 God concept coming since Adam. The simple doctrine of believe and be good to turn to ''believe in son and do good'' is also a big change. Almost as if God changed his mind.
Someone told me God did this after he realised that man had become too sinful so sent his son is that true?
@EvidenceFaith God didn't change His mind, He decided to save us, as He promised to. Yes it is true. The only way to have a sin forgiven is through a sacrifice. Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself on the cross, a sacrifice capable of having every man's sin forgiven if the man chooses to follow God. Jesus was God incarnate, He was God as much as He was human. He even had the free will that men have, He could have chosen NOT to sacrifice Himself, but in the end He did the will of His Father.
@athanasiadis24 Yes thats what I uderstand about Christianity. In Islam Allah maintains the same old one indivisible God concept that was coming sicne Adam. He is not bound by a sacrifice to forgive. If he wants to forgive he just does it. Will punish punish thoese that worship others than Abrahams God. Even will reward Jews or Christains that worship Him alone. Jews and Muslim doctorine is very close. No Pork, modest avoid /modest drinking, cover he head, beards etc what do you say?
@EvidenceFaith It is quite evident that Muhammad nicked a lot of his religion from the Torah, and he did a bad job. Judaism and Islam are alike because Islam stole Judaism. Christianity differ in that Jesus changed the Mosaic Law, this was the very purpose of His life. The Mosaic Law also teaches eye for an eye (after all so does Islam in a way) among other things. Those were for Jews only, and at that particular time. Old Testament=Law, New Testament=Love.
@athanasiadis24 Its strange why God would make one law for a nation and change it for another . Amost as if He discovers its not working and can be improved etc. Thats very human. The bible does clearly say that God looked down on Earth and his heard weeped to see mans sins so he send his son. Again its like God didnt know He had created a monster (man) :) Quran says Gods law doesn't change and He doesn't make mistakes. Now to me thats more believable.
@EvidenceFaith Those are good questions you are asking. Well God gave certain commandments, and promised that they are incomplete and that one will come one day and complete it. God did not make a mistake, humans did, and God showed mercy and became human to show us the way out of this. If Allah makes no mistake, why did he create men who chose to become apostates in their VAST majority? He didn't make a mistake, He simply gave humans a choice, and they chose.
@athanasiadis24 People becoming a apostate is a Mistake made by Allah? Well never said he made people incapable of becoming one. If you believe that then most certainly deep down u feel Jesus made that mistake too however I dont. I have noticed one thing, you keep saying that Muslims dont wnat to see Muslims dont to look in but it so much applies to you. have a closer look into our discussion.
@EvidenceFaith As for the devil card...I expected you to play that soon enough. Are you willing to assume that a being that radiates love, guides its followers to do nothing but good, heals the sick and casts out demons etc etc is from the devil? The Quran says over 10 times that Shaytan has no authority over believers. Well, when Holy Spirit turns Muslims into Christians in the blink of an eye etc etc I call that tremendous power and authority.
@EvidenceFaith So Jesus does miracles, and everything He promises in the Bible is true. Islam, on the other hand, has nothing but garbage to offer. Like Allah's name bruised into an apple, completely made-up scientifc prophecies etc etc. There are some Islamic exorcists as well, but their power cannot even compare to that of Christians. And listen to what those exorcists say, it's like comedy.
@athanasiadis24 Allahs name on an apple is no scientific thing come on. Its just interesting like you will find it interesting to see Jesus written in nature. The scientfic stuff in the Quran. I dont take Exorcists very seriously as its found in every religion. I have seen Hindu and Jews do it. I believe in the power of the Christ, I believe he can raise the dead in the name of Allah.
@EvidenceFaith Do take exorcisms seriously, they are the demonstration of God's power. Jesus and Holy Spirit hold all the power. You've seen Hindu excorcisms and Muslim ones. Let me ask you, how common are they? Healings? No. Those who do miracles in Jesus' name have the Holy Spirit as their guide. And their guide tells them that Jesus is Lord. He appears Himself some times.
If you don't care about that, what DO you care about? Prophecies? Again, they are miracles, and the Quran has none.
@athanasiadis24 In Islam they always heal. but my point is that every religion has this art. Allah responds to efforts goood effort or bad Allah brings out a result but it doesnt mean the effort is a part of his religion and acceptance. eg a hindu goes ton idol and asks for a child and he gets one, according to you Jesus would have given the child and not the idol.
@EvidenceFaith How and since when do they "always heal" in Islam?
"eg a hindu goes ton idol and asks for a child and he gets one, according to you Jesus would have given the child and not the idol."
I clearly never said that, nor did I say anything that indirectly indicates that, you misunderstood something.
The "answer" of Allah is yet another theory you came up with, stay away from them! Atheism is a theory that seemed flawless to me- it isn't. It's a scam. Holy Spirit will let you know!
@athanasiadis24 Peace and blessings to you too brother. I will not give up on Allah, Jesus , Muhammad ever. Peace and love to you too. I will catch up with you. Its just that ive started a new company and too much work to do. BTW what do you do for a living
@athanasiadis24 Ah this debate is going on and on :) I would like to leave you in peace brother :)
I feel you are a decent and honourable fellow. I am humbled to you have not used bad words :) Just know that Muslims love Jesus, I can wash his feet and drink it because Allah chose him (in our faith) We worship who sent him and whom he prayed to. Muhammad is who revived the word of God after it was corrupted by man. May Allah be pleased with them both
@EvidenceFaith I stated the exact opposite, that it's peoples fault when they become apostates, not God's.
I fail to see, however, how I don't want to see something. I answered every question you asked me, if I forgot, paradon me and ask me again. I don't see where exactly I didn't wanna "see" or "look" and how this is evident in our discussion. Tell me and I will answer.
To me, atheism and deism and Spinoza's God make sense, does that make them the truth? No. A Muslim came up to me and asked me why I'm Christian, I told him about all those miracles, and his faith in Islam started to fail him. He told me he was confused, but suddenly one day he said "God showed me the truth, Jesus is not the Son of God, that sounds wrong". (continued)
@EvidenceFaith Do you also feel that Muhammad's preachings that came several centuries after Christianity, long afer Hnduism, even Budism etc, took a rapid growth and in merely 28 generations 47 countries became Muslim states and it became the second largest religion on Earth is now at a decline?
@EvidenceFaith I never stated that it is "at a decline". I merely stated that it clearly isn't the fastest growing religion, and that even if it is, it simply doesn't matter. Evil grows a million times faster than Christianity and Islam combined, does that make it good in any way?
You destroyed what??? you didn't anything but name calling typical of someone with ill knowledge.
I don't care what the romans spoke, I know what they spoke. I'm talking about what JESUS SPOKE. The verse is not out of context because the pharasis that you say he was refering to did not worship jesus. so how could he be talking about them ??? whats your answer more name calling ??? lmaoooo.. plz
your quran is the CORUPTION of the true holy word. the qurans ISA is not a person but an ARGUMENT for the cause of Muhammad. Jesus teached to prey to God. Jesus is Human/God and so prayed to the Father.
YOU.....worship muhammad. YOU.....associate muhammad as partner of Allah. YOU.........kill for Muhammad.
lol... quiet ?? why you getting mad at the truth ???
Don't spread your lies here.. Muslims don't worship Mohammad or Jesus peace be with them. Muslims worship the one and ONLY God.. Isa son of Mary is not an argument, he is the son of the blessed virgin, the sent messiah, the word of God and the spirit of God, but Jesus is not God or the son of God...
Jesus refered to himself in the bible as the son of man and also said God is not a MAN.
@IchooseIslam you obviously dont aggree with me because there is no Jesus in the quran....ISA is not even the arabic name for Jesus idiot
SECONDLY....quiet because i hate when a muhamadan picks ONE verse from the bible and makes up his own religion based on that 1 verse.
ALL YOU TUBERS LOOK AT THIS IDIOT. Jesus said 'God is not a man .... WHO SHOULD LIE!!! jesus was PROVING HIS WORD IS TRUE BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LIE, GOD DOES NOT LIE....JESUS IS GOD!!!!!! hahahahahahaaaaa muhamadan
@IchooseIslam looooooooooooooooooll LOOK AT THE MUSLIM. look at the coward...not did i just destroy his knowledge of 1 verse he took out of context...he then runs onto the next one. COWARD!
the Father IS Greater. where is the lie....IDIOT !!!
FOOL...what did the romans speak in Jerusalem during the occupation. you think that no one would have understood the Romans. MUHAMADAN!!! go twist your own man made scripture!
yes yes yes Mohammed is dead and Jesus is Alive and he will be here on earth you will cry your eyes out those who left Islam never was Muslims they are just liers they didn't look deeply in Islam and don't know it
It's a drama theatrical like we look on television, especially the woman who has been the mother usually we can see her on theatrical television progams, next time when make theatrical on this media choose the actress who not famous actress, in order to the story like true
this is really propaganda... almost all of these muslims4jesus videos .. all is "i tried to please allah" Allah (swt) makes it easy for us... always in these videos " a light came.. and said iam jesus the lord (astagfirullah), iam bla bla bla... all of these PROPAGANDA!.. if someone converted to Christianity OK, let him tell his/hers story but not making such videos of prophet Jesus (as).. total propaganda!.. wa salaama
@Ali3Ibn3Irani - Salaam Brother, too many people don’t know that having faith intellectually is the faith that brings peace to the soul. People converting by seeing a light or a mere dream are unstable and might tomorrow see Kirishna and become Hindu. Although a Muslim can go Murdat too, this video does look like Propaganda. Wa salaam
@EvidenceFaith A faith based on intellect is by far the least credible. Atheists base their faith on intellect, and so do many Christians. If you are willing to trust your intellect rather than prayer, and your brain rather than God, the problem is yours to deal with. I agree that some dream is not enough, but a physical interaction, a healing, a shock? It happens. Pray to God so that He may guide you. You intellect will take you nowhere. Atheists feel peace in their sould too. Or so they think.
@athanasiadis24 The reason why God gave intellect is so that we use it. Some use it for God and some against. Faith comes with belief and understanding. One cannot have full faith if his God says the Earth is flat, the faith will dangle at some level but reach a height. Atheists deep down are afraid, they too dont have the peace Im talking about.
@EvidenceFaith Not all atheists are afraid, a lot of them are sure that there's no God and never ever worry about it at all. Why? Because intellect inevitably indicates there's no God. But that's a long discussion. I agree that a capricious God who punishes and rewards His beings makes absolutely no sense at all. If He is God, why did he make people, since as God He shouldn't have the need to, and why does He need worshipping? Is He an egomaniac?
@EvidenceFaith What I am trying to say is that intellect, when taken seriously, cannot be used FOR Allah. When it comes to Jesus Christ, faith means less than nothing for people can really meet Him and see His power.
The "peace" you're talking about was created BY Islam, and its recurrent threats of Hellfire. It's like it burned you and then in gave you a gel for the wounds, and you don't feel pain now.
@EvidenceFaith I think I see where you're taking it...You're reffering to the "scientific miracles" of the Quran and the "errors" of the Bible. Don't fall for any of it, those "miracles" are a hoax started by one French man back in 1970. He said it first, and then all the fuss started. It is certain that the vast majority of "miracle prophecies" of the Quran were scientific facts or theories developed occassionaly even well over 1000 years before the Quran.
@athanasiadis24 ironically that French Man became Muslim because the Quran 1400 years ago stated that the Ramies;s body was not destroyed but protected by Allah, so that it can be an example to the world while the Bible said it was drowned and destroyed. Tbe body was found in 1898. That Frenchmen realized the Quran was right and the Bible wasn't . My friend the scientific method was developed byt the Muslims. First officel expdetion too etc etc . see wikipedia if u like
@EvidenceFaith What I am stating is that the vast majorit of "prophecies" in the Quran are hoaxes. There's probably some right prophecies in there, but I don't see how they can't be of the devil.
@athanasiadis24 Well u must quote the fasle prophecy then my friend. If its not from God then the prophet would not have succeeded. Even the Bible says that false prophets mission shall perish . Do you see that happened to Muhammad (pbuh) In 20 years he brought peace all over Arabia. His followers lived in pace through history, even during world war 1 and 2 . It was only after the cold war that Muslims became American target and have reacted. Tell me of any terror attach before cold attack plz
@EvidenceFaith "If its not from God then the prophet would not have succeeded. Even the Bible says that false prophets mission shall perish."
The "fact" that if it's from God because it succeeded means nothing. George Bush Senior was a Freemason, but very much succeeded. The antichrist's predecessors all have succeeded and will continure to succeed. Again, you made a theory. Stop following theories, it is of no avail.
@EvidenceFaith Is it really Arabs to blame for killing each other nowadays, when 1 out of 55 verses in the Quran commands Muslims to hurt, in one way or another, the non-believers? The Bible (NT) would never say that, neither would Jesus. I am not following false prophecy. I simply like to be sure which prophecy is or isn't false, rather than "guessing" my way to God and making theories. Theories are like butholes, we all have them, and they all stink. Disgusting but true :-P
@athanasiadis24 So ur saving Msulims are killing for the last 1400 years :) why was Islam then tagged a terror religion only after 9/11 / cold war? we missed the verses ? My friend the verses in the Quran came after the 13 years of endless torture upon the noble prophet and his companions. The first verse came to fight the marching christian and jewish armies. Doesnt apply to every non Muslims :) No Non Muslims would have lived in Muhammads lands then :)
@EvidenceFaith That's what Muslims told you, though. Others say that Muhammad wrote exactly what served him, even Aisha notices so in the Hadith, where she says "Your Allah is very eager to command that which you like" or sth like that.
@athanasiadis24 Not heard that before but let me tell you one thing. Allah and Muhammad are one in purpose. Allah even got annoyed with the prophet in the Quran, that is when the prophet did something He didn't expect
@EvidenceFaith Hold on...In Wikipedia it says that he was mumiffied and preserved, and even talks about where he was taken. And watch this
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Maurice Bucaille started the fuss with the "scientific evidence" and Muslims ever since make up outrageous miracle stories. They are desperate for miracles, and they find them because they like to. An atheist biologist once made up a story about quranic verses in human DNA, and everybody bought it and put it on his Muslim website.
@athanasiadis24 OK let us assume the french man is a mad man and forget him. How will you explain the Quran to describe the earths shape as the shape of an ostrith's Egg? How do u explain the Quran talking about the expanding universe. etc did you read the words in the Quran ? what do they mean ? Now do you know about the contirbution of Muslims in Science? It was later that The west took more interest and took it ahead especially in wepons. but not for long :) says the Noble prophet :P
@EvidenceFaith I knew that those scientific prophecies were somehow involved, they always are. Although Muslims don't know, in their vast majority, those facts that were "prophecized" were either facts or theories developed well over 1000 years before the Quran. And a lot of "prophecies" aren't even there. Zakir Naik says that the Quran prophecises that plants have two genders. The verse he mentioned didn't even indicate somehow that Muhammad knew that there were two genders.
@athanasiadis24 OK since ur bent upon stressing that the science in the Quran came from material even 1000 years back . OK then how come the Quran manage to choose the only ones that were correct? do u have any selection that turned false later? secondly can u tell me where before Islam was it written that the shape of th Earth is like the egg of an Ostrich. show where and id think over ur statement
@EvidenceFaith Even Wikipedia clearly states that the 3d century BCE it was a scientific given that the Earth was spherical, and 10 different ancient Greeks claimed so also. The Quran does not mention any ostrich, it just says "egg-shaped". I do not buy it for a second that the Quran doesn't have any mistakes- Muslims alwasy play hide and seek with translations when the Quran has a clear mistake. However, it could have been a lucky shot. Also, A spherical earth was a fact not a theory.
@EvidenceFaith What do you think about the video we're posting comments on? Are you sure it's a fraud? I know for sure that things like this happen everyday, they've happened to my family.
@athanasiadis24 NO i wont call this video a fraud. People can change. thats the beauty of free will really. Have you been looking into people reverting to Islam? May I also add that Islam is the most embraced religion and people who get into it change their lives and become pious. Its growing so fast that even the western celiberities are embracing it which is so hard at a time when Islam is targeted by the media.. but hey when Allah calls. none can hold back :)
@EvidenceFaith For the 3d time you are paraphrazing Mulsim doctrine. By "most embraced" you mean "fastest growing", I suppose. It clearly isn't, according to Al-Jazeera 6 million Muslims become Christians because they have visions like this. According to other non-Christian sources, Christianity has 2.3 million converts each year whereas Islam has 0.8 million.
@EvidenceFaith I don't understand what you mean by the beauty of free will. Yes I have seen a lot of Christian who became Muslims, they all bought a "scientific miracle" and converted. They never truly were Christians and naturaly they won't see Heaven. All Muslims who became Christians had a sudden vision=an indisputable theory. NO Muslim has ever had that, they all just fell for theories and so-called "prophecies" that really aren't even there.
@athanasiadis24 Yes you wont buy it as long as the son of TV remains the son of TV :D
One has to look out of the box which is all to hard at times I guess :) Hey how about u trust this one strange on Utube and look out of the box for once. Clear your mind and read the Quran, after all it came from the cousin of Jesus. And is the only other religious book that glorifies the Jesus and Mary. Allah says 'You reject it yet you dont see if it might be from your God' have a look
@EvidenceFaith What box are you reffering to? TV? I couldn't care less about it. I have many many testimonies of people I know in person who came to Jesus because of a miracle. Muslims convert to Christianity because of visions, why? Because Jesus is Lord of all, perhaps? Probably.
From a Christian viewpoint, Islam is utter garbage, has nothing to do with God, and is completely anti-christ. I know all claims of "miracles" in the Quran, they are all fake.
@EvidenceFaith When Jesus appears to people in the blink of an eye and tells them to follow the Bible, I don't feel like I have to read the Quran. I already know what Muslims claim about the miracles, and I have read all the "miracle prophecies" that are supposed to intrigue me and prove Islam, they failed.
@athanasiadis24 Brother what can I say now, I pray 5 times a day, I fast , am good to my wife, kids and parents. I do not worship a person but the one who created me and the universe. I worship whom Jesus used to pray to and to whom he cried our for help when he was on the cross. Trust me I lover my eyes before a woman even while livng in the west. But Jesus never came to me. He might be preparing hell fire me me then :)
@EvidenceFaith But He loves you, and wants you back! Talk to Him, He is only one prayer away, if you mean it He can reply that very second if he wants!
"Heavenly Father, forgive me my sins. Jesus I believe that you are the only son of God, please save me, come into my heart, and take over my life. Amen."
That's it! After you say that prayer (like you mean it), talk to Him and thank Him for all the good things He's done. Worshipping the false God Allah will only stall you, but don't stop.
@EvidenceFaith Very good. Listen here friend...Whatever I am telling you is a result of what I know. However, I have not yet met God, I am on my way. There is no testimony of anyone ever stating that Allah spoke to him. However there are thousands of testimonies of Jesus speaking to people, and I know for sure that it happens, it`s happened to my family. The Quran clearly sattes that you cannot see Allah, nor hear Him until Judgement Day.
@EvidenceFaith What I do is say "Lord if Jesus is your Son, who was crucifies and ressurected, then in His name I ask you to reveal yourself to me". Talk to Him, you don't have to face Mecca, but if you feel like it, do it.
Do you really expect this to happen overnight? I'm sure it can, but very rarely. It can take up to a couple of years to meet God, whereas others meet Him in weeks.
@EvidenceFaith There's a testimony of a Muslim about to commit suicide, he asked Allah to give him a sign of His existence. He did nothing at all. Then he prayed to the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses and Jesus appeared before him, and ever since this Mulsim dedicated his life to Jesus. He lives in the west now, he's a pretty famous preacher.
@EvidenceFaith There's no chance Allah will reply to you-don't even bother, there's no reason to. It has never happened in history, and even the Quran says it's downright impossible. He does however indiractly say that He answers people who seem to worship him the right way. It could be yet another mistranslation however. What do you have to lose?
@athanasiadis24. Allah means 'THE ONE GOD' not a person or an idol. U will never find a Muslim who worships and doesn't have in mind that he is worshipping the God of Adam, Encho, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, David Moses etc . Muhammad is actually from the lineage of Abraham, same blood line. ALLAH is what we call GOD. I can expect a Hindu to call Allah a false God as Hindu wont believe in Abraham etc as sent by God. And you too say Muslims worship a false God ?
@EvidenceFaith Do you think that Christians have the same opinion you have for them? Clearly according to Christian doctrine you worship the devil in one of his forms. It doesn't matter what he claims to be, only what he truly IS. We clearly do not believe that Allah is the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, although he surely says so. I can say that I am the Holy Spirit, and even right a huge book about it. Would you believe me if I didn't have anything to support it?
@athanasiadis24 It doesn't matter if Christians says we worship the Devil. What matters is who we say we call God. Tell me something , who do the Jews worhsip, is it Jesus or yet another false God?
@EvidenceFaith Neither matters, what matter is what Allah IS, not what anyone calls Him. Jews worship Adonai, the Great "I am", the true God. However, if they do not accept His son's sacrifice, they will perish. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
@athanasiadis24 The word is pronounced as Allahohim. Jews worship but you say He is the God but wont listen to as they have rejected His son . But you cannot say they worship a falst God Am I right?
@EvidenceFaith It doesn't really matter whether their God is the true one or not. Naturally they won't know Him, nor shall they ever see Heaven.
Jesus is, as I said, the Truth, the Way, and the Life, and they clearly reject Him. Jesus is God incarnate. If you reject Jesus, you reject God with Him.
@EvidenceFaith The Jews and the Christians surely believe that Muslims do not worship their God, and regard Muhammad as either a demon possesed man, a very vile and evil man, or just a loser.
@EvidenceFaith Why does it even matter, Adonai is the true God, and Jesus is His Son. They only follow a part of what Adonai says, the old one, which is now rendered an abomination in a large part. Their religion contains nuggets of truth but it is false.
@athanasiadis24 Just asking to understand that you do believe that people can worship a true God. but the the will go to Hell for a reason is another story. I have another Question. What if the Devil goes to the Jews and tells them to believe in Jesus as the son of God but stick to your old testament. will that make any differnce to theri fate?
@EvidenceFaith It isn't another story, salvation has to do with whether you know God or not. If Jews believed that Jesus is the Son of God, there is no reason to stick to the OT, I don't see why you're asking me these "what if" questions. Since the devil told them to do this, clearly they will go to Hell if they follow Him. It doesn't matter what you believe it's what you do. If they believe that He is the Son of God, why don't they follow Him? Even logically this is absurd.
@EvidenceFaith I think that you're trying to dig a hole around all this and somehow conclude magically that Islam is the truth. It just isn't, no matter how much you distort it.
You must know Jesus, He can appear to you physically! Only then, by constantly having an intimate relationship with Him can you be certain. Yes belief alone clearly holds no weight.
@athanasiadis24 I understand some of my Questions done make sense to u but trust me they clarify my concepts about Christianity. And now I know that to get salvation one has to be a Good Christian and also believe in Jesus as the Son of God . I was told the belief of his Divinity is enough
@EvidenceFaith "Belief" and "faith" are just absurdities. I'd never believe that Jesus is the Son of God if He couldn't prove it somehow. I am waiting, it'll happen soon, I know people it happened to :-)
@EvidenceFaith Do not trust what Christian in general tell you, most of them don't know Jesus and will never see Heaven. Denominations are also of the devil.
@athanasiadis24. OK that clears some stuff. I think after a person believes in Jesus one must make suer that the Bible carries the words of Jesus and not just mad made stuff. Where can I get the book that hold the actual words of Jesus in his language?
@EvidenceFaith The King James Version Bible is legitimate. Prayer, though, is that which is mandatory. Don't let Mulsims make you make up yet another theory about how "corrupted" the Bible is etc etc.
@EvidenceFaith Im already Muslim :) U see Jesus spoke a language called Old Aramic which is extinct now. There is no Bible in that language which is important. I mean the Kind James Bible would be a translation of something that doesn't exist. That also accounts for the scientific errors in it otherwise being Muslims, I cannot accept Jesus can make a mistake. People compiling the bible 300 years after him however can. Does that make sense?
@EvidenceFaith Well I think He also spoke ancient Greek. There are clearly no scientific errors in the Bible, it is FULL of allegory, you need Holy Spirit to guide you when you are reading it. It's all one prayer away!
The Quran also has scientific errors, but whenever Muslims have to face that they seem to alter the meaning of words, claiming that back then it had a different meaning, so technically, Muhammad's language is also extinct.
@athanasiadis24 Jesus spoke Aramic only. So u say that the holy spirit require to under the science in the Bible and but a simple man made science book doesn't need that spirit. with this effect it interesting why the creator will make appear to some that he doesn't know his own creation. Errors in the Quran!! I yet yet to come across the scientific error in the Quran then. The first Quran is was written as the prophet spoke, he had 11 scribes. Its now in Istambul. No change of language yet.
@EvidenceFaith I don't understand this comment about science and the Holy Spirit, it has many grammatical errors, although your grammar in general is good. Just needed to clarify, the Bible has nothing to do with science. In reality, neither does the Quran, but Muslims surely like to think so. It is very good that you are curious my friend. Whatever you do though, be careful. Investigate, don't take Islam for granted, for I can almost guarantee that it is false. I will know for sure soon enough.
@athanasiadis24 To me science and maths is important. Its hard to disprove an event of history or the claim of hell or heaven in a book. but one can look into the science and maths in the book and see if that can be disproved. If so then the authenticity of that book can be doubted. Trust me I am very careful about religion :) I understand Jews call Jesus a false person and being a learned Rabi he made up a religion. Same u say about Muhammad. one has to apply logic equally on both sides.
@EvidenceFaith When it comes to the Bible, it has nothing to do with maths, it is the only thing that doesn't have to do with maths. Islam is completely, utterly incompatible with logic and common sense, Muslims don't like to see so, however.
@athanasiadis24 Brother have you seen videos of Christians that turned to Islam? as I look into Muslims going into Christianity. getting to know both sides of the story clears away a few misconceptions.
@EvidenceFaith Yes, that's the point. ALL Muslims who have converted to Christianity were pious Muslims who had powerful visions and shocks. Christians who became Muslims all did so because of "logic" or because of a "scientific proof" in the Quran. One of the dumbest, and certainly the deadliest mistake of their life if you ask me.
@athanasiadis24 Logic is better than mere visions that even Hindus get Muslims too but the wise once know visions can be from the Devil too. Logic is the right way to go. Many have converted due to science just recently what about the previous 1400 years? was that due to science too? Bible states Earth is flat, 6000 years old, Sun revolves around Earth,its logically its enough to decide. Some cam wait for the European faced Jesus to appear in visions while he looked like an Arab/Jew Black hair
@EvidenceFaith Logic has nothing to do with God, He is omniscient, and His actions are incomprehensible. As I said and described earlier in a comment, a lot of Muslims boast about how their religion is compatible with science and logic. This is total garbage, it simply isn't. I already said that the Bible is full of allegory (Sun revolves around Earth? I'm sure it doesn't say that).
@athanasiadis24 google this Geocentricism Bible. Bible actually says the earth has pillars that hold it tightly and the entire universe revolves around it.
@EvidenceFaith (cont.) He basically jumped to a conclusion overnight, and also decided that it was God's grace that lead him to it. In that sense, I can make up a much sweeter theory, that God showed me that He doesn't care about us, solely because it made sense to me. Don't merge God's will and your conclusions.
@athanasiadis24 Thats it thats a very weak God who jumps to conclusions. The all knower should just know and remains persistant. Did you also know that in the Bible Allah created the universe and got tired and had to take a rest ? In Islam getting tired and losing energy is a creation of Allah and not his attribute. He never gets tired.
@EvidenceFaith The Bible is FULL of allegory, it doesn't mean what it says a lot of the time. It also says that it took Him 7 "days" to create everything, and we clearly know that the universe the way we know it didn't evolve into this in 7 days. Dinosaurs existed for hunderends of years, for instance. Jesus also tells his students to buy a sword, but He doesn't mean that. He means "be prepared".
@athanasiadis24 Brother. Since THE core cause of a holy book is to clarify who God is and what He wants, give me any one unambiguous verse of the Bible where Jesus say ‘I am God so worship me’ or similar straightforward statement, shouldn't be a verse where one has to guess what it ultimately signifies. I’m sure he must have said it during his 33 years. Im waiting for your reply :)
@EvidenceFaith A lot of Muslims have told you that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say "I am the Son of God, worship me". It is true that He never says it. However, a lot of people call Him the Son of God and He doesn't say that He isn't. Since shirk (polytheism) is the most serious sin in Islam, I am sure He would wish to warn others about it.
@EvidenceFaith The devil tells Jesus "If you're the Son of God, jump off this cliff, and God will protect you since you're His Son" Jesus says "no, because in the Old Testament God tells us not to endanger ourselves". He doesn't say "No, I'm not the Son of God". God (Adonai) speaks during the baptism of Jesus and says "This is my beloved Son, from whom I am pleased". Those are only a few examples, ask a Bible expert about it, he will clearly say something about it.
@athanasiadis24 Again you are ignoring that there are many more sons of God in the Bible so the ur statement above loses weight. Its important to know that Jesus himself hasn't claimed to be God and to be worshipped. What will you do when on the day of judgement he says u were to worship Adoni liek he did, what holy book will you show him to say where you got that concept from?
@EvidenceFaith Also, Pilate tells Jesus "So...YOU are the Son of God" to which Jesus replies "You said it". He clearly doesn't say no. If He was an apostle of Allah, He would know how dangerous shirk is, and it would clearly be the first thing He'd warn us about.
Jesus doesn't want you to worship Him, He only wants your love, and He wants you to accept Him as your Savior. He wants an intimate relationship with you, He loves you!
@athanasiadis24 . Again. There are more people called the sons of God and no body objected. if this makes him the actual Son like i am to my dad then same logic must be apllied to the other sons of God in the Bible
@EvidenceFaith Jesus was born of a virgin, and was created by God so that He may save humanity. He had the most authority (i.e over evil spirits) any one had ever seen. He lead a sinless life and was perfect as a human. He died on the cross so that ours sins may be forgiven. This is how He is the Son of God and the Savior of humanity. You keep asking me to prove it somehow, why don't you ask Jesus ti prove it Hismelf?
@EvidenceFaith Hah, great. You are falling into the trap I warned you about a couple of comments ago. "How" did "the One" answer? But let me guess. He just didn't. He just thought so, and reached yet another verdict, and blamed it on God. "God told me so, He guided me". Did He appear, did you hear a voice? No.
It's funny how I was talking about exactly that a couple of comments ago...
@athanasiadis24 No vision of God my friend. No body can perceive Allah. he is beyound perception. As far as the prophet coming to dreams, many many Muslims see prophet Muhammad but it doesnt become a point to argue over when hinds claim to see Gita and Christians see Christ, these could be mind games of the brain. we are then left with logic and comparison of the books for a rational exchange of view
u r go to hell, u r not loyal to ou religion islam is the real religion and others just ah busseness religion
xintoyful 2 weeks ago
this is a cheap way of converting people.
not even a real christian or muslim would believe this.
zarshyg 2 months ago
@AlexandrosMykael You create your own hell by the stringent rules you impose on yourself and on your conscience. How does this help you to be happy? It is an ego problem. With less ego, you will be humble enough to not seek for all these so-called high moral rules in books like the Bible and the Koran. The Truth will set you free and only one in a billion know this in reality.
mrcuteblackie 4 months ago
jesus is true...............purihin ang sya
johnzion16 4 months ago
In 1998 Jesus Himself paid me a visit and let me know that I belong to Him but that just because I did didn't mean He wouldn't punish me on account of my love for porn!
Jesus is the real deal, people! Pray for Him to enter your lives and while you do PLEASE say a prayer for me, too, a great sinner, to somehow have nothing more to do with porn! It's such a powerful evil and by myself I feel helpless to conquer it. Your prayers to Jesus would be enough, I'm sure, for me to be free of it. THANKS!!
guyNbluejeans 8 months ago
@guyNbluejeans Jesdus does not punish people. If you feel guilty and wanna repent, your guilt and sorrow will purify you, but Jesus is just there to receive you. Porn is not evil if you watch it with your wife or lover. However, if you make a cult out of it, then you are causing yourself and others evil. Remember that it does not harm God or Jesus in any way.
mrcuteblackie 7 months ago
cerita apa ni??? mengarot gler indon2 ni wat cter
mhafizan 8 months ago
Ok so god was afraid of her threat and thus sent jesus to her in her dreams okkkkkkkkk sounds plausible
H3NNN 9 months ago
God is proving His word true. The primary message through Muhammad was to follow the whole Bible. Jesus taught to follow every word of God. All faiths need to follow what is written for holy days to have unity and God's kingdom on earth. All have been told to follow all God's Laws. Jesus is the Word of God, when we see him as that, we know how to be one with him and he was one with the word of God. Divine-Way com has petition and call for religion Special Envoy text of HR 440.
MarieDevine 9 months ago
So i am guessing Islam want to try to convince christians that jesus is not the way. Christianity constantly proves through love that it is the truth for god is love from what i see from islam its constant judgement, arrogance, and punishment. If this was a christian family whos daughter turned to islam they would of stood by there daughters decision and hold her even closer. to me God is understanding God is love and God is forgiveness
DKallyFWS 9 months ago 2
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The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Quran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. The man in the Quran is called the Mahdi, or Islam's savior. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist. Could it be possible that they are one and the same person?
MELISSA84008 9 months ago
jesus translates to zeus in hebrew and aramiac,holy to helel/lucifer,god to hasatan,lord to baal zeus was the 666th nyphilim king to rule the earth during the days of the hamaschia yahuwshua son of yahweh...do not be fooled
MrDeisenhower 10 months ago
how do you know it was lailatul qodar night??? we all moslem dont know when lailatul qodar comes...its a God secret...
I always heard this story from every murtadin that I know...hehehe...
different from converted to Islam people...they learn Qur'an, they learn bible, finally they find the truth, the one and only...is ISLAM....
use your brain, not your imagination...
artiereza 10 months ago
so jesus(pbuh) came to a muslim women and said follow me :) :) :)
craicheaDARA 10 months ago
For HE is truly the son of GOD!! I'm so proud to be a CHRISTIAN!!
ClaraClang 10 months ago
@ClaraClang not so much he is the son of Mary, placed in the care of the Virgin mother
ThePoeticsoulja 7 months ago
in any case, I thought there was a death sentence for leaving muslimism???
blueray1969 11 months ago
why doesn't Jesus or mohammed or whoever appear for anyone that asks this question?
blueray1969 11 months ago
Ahhhhhhhhhh...another heart-warming story about religion. We are better off without this superstitious nonsense.
blueray1969 1 year ago
@blueray1969 yeah because probably you like joseph stalin and the khamer rouge known to have no religion and killed millions of people!
grvc44 11 months ago
@grvc44 it's the khmer rouge. no, I don't like them either, because they killed millions of people. so yes, I would put all of these people into the same bracket of mass-murderers, bringers of war and destruction. just as one deist says they are right everyone else is wrong, the others say the same. and they use it as justification for their evil doings. I don't need to believe in superstition to believe that evil exists.
blueray1969 11 months ago
@grvc44 well it's up to you!
grvc44 11 months ago
To all those who say Jesus is lord, then I must quote what he told the priest who made the same claim to Jesus. Jesus told him " You say the Iam"
When Jesus referred to himself, he did so as the son of man.
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam Wow, I am a Muslim now.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
''They do not see whether this (Quran ) is from their creator and yet they reject it'' God all mighty Allah in the Quran
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
Yes the Wikibedia says that but not the Bible. Bible says it was destroved . Quran says it will be found which it was 1300 years later .
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
did Jesus (pbuh) speak malay?
LOL the last time i checked he spoke aramaic!!
MrBabibubo 1 year ago
first commandment.- Thou shall have no god but me.
Islamic shihada - There is no god but God...
Allahu Akbar - God is Greater
Certainly Jesus agrees.
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam God is Greatest** ;)
MrBabibubo 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam Nice try.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
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Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
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Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
There ya go, now you cannot say you wasn't warned.
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
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Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
There is no such thing as a mohamadan, that is a european invension to distort islam and it's message..
The Quran is in arabic, in the language of the blessed prophet Mohammad peace be with him, unlike your scripture which is NOT is his language.
Like I said. Jesus peace be with him will reject YOU and that is in your BIBLE... tsk tsk tsk. poor solo cannot address the real issues
You say trinity, three in one, one in three, all the same yet are not... The father is Greater. Allah Akbar
IchooseIslam 1 year ago 2
@IchooseIslam So Allah decided to make a book downright impossible to translate to languages other than Arabic?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Im glad He didnt decide to send is word in a language that was about to be extinct and which couldnt be preserved. i.e Aramic the language and word of Jesus. Where is his word in Aramic ? the Bible you have today is a translation of something that doesn't exist :) how strange. And on top of it you are still reserching to descover more scripture because they know its lost really
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Again, you are paraphrasing what Muslims told you. Do some research on that aside from what Moslems say, that our translations are "corrupted" etc etc
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis Islam growing ,Yes that's a never ending debate even if CNN & BBC reports it. What resource do you get your doctrine from ? where it may be lets however not forget that too many Christians wont belive what the Bible says but still are counted as Christians. Look at the church, they are empty. Too many atheists are also documented as christians :) I see it in my uni all the time. Anyhow would you like me to find u a link where cnn talks about islams growth or u can manage?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I am sure Islam is growing, but it's not the fastest growing religion. According to Al-Jazeera 6 mil Muslims convert to Christianity annualy! Even if it IS the fastest growing religion, that doesn't make it the truth under any circumstances.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
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@EvidenceFaith I am sure Islam is growing, but it's not the fastest growing religion. According to Al-Jazeera 6 mil Muslims convert to Christianity annualy! Even if it IS the fastest growing religion, that doesn't make it the truth under any circumstances.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam Yet another nice try, but no more than that. Jesus is Lord.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Im not trying to trick you as you seem to reply that way. Im only learning something I wonder and discussing it . Tell me something. There is a couple of thousands of years between the early followers of Moses and the coming of Jesus. The Jews like all previous prophets worshipped the 1 God and nothing to do with a son and yet could to heaven. Why to change basic religion doctrine 1alone God to 1of3 later?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Yes I am sorry for thinking that you were trying to trick me, I already apologized, it was my mistake.
God sent Jesus, it was His will to alter this doctrine. Jesus is God incarnate. Holy Spirit is our guide, Jesus promised to send it after His death.
What you need to understand is that we clearly do not worship three Gods. They are one and the same. Adonai is the Creator, Jesus is the Creator Incarnate, and Holy Spirit is Jesus' heir, our guide after His noble death.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 The introduction of 3 but 1 was a huge change in Allah's old stress on the 1 God concept coming since Adam. The simple doctrine of believe and be good to turn to ''believe in son and do good'' is also a big change. Almost as if God changed his mind.
Someone told me God did this after he realised that man had become too sinful so sent his son is that true?
Is Jesus a son as I am a son to my dad?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith God didn't change His mind, He decided to save us, as He promised to. Yes it is true. The only way to have a sin forgiven is through a sacrifice. Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself on the cross, a sacrifice capable of having every man's sin forgiven if the man chooses to follow God. Jesus was God incarnate, He was God as much as He was human. He even had the free will that men have, He could have chosen NOT to sacrifice Himself, but in the end He did the will of His Father.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Yes thats what I uderstand about Christianity. In Islam Allah maintains the same old one indivisible God concept that was coming sicne Adam. He is not bound by a sacrifice to forgive. If he wants to forgive he just does it. Will punish punish thoese that worship others than Abrahams God. Even will reward Jews or Christains that worship Him alone. Jews and Muslim doctorine is very close. No Pork, modest avoid /modest drinking, cover he head, beards etc what do you say?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith It is quite evident that Muhammad nicked a lot of his religion from the Torah, and he did a bad job. Judaism and Islam are alike because Islam stole Judaism. Christianity differ in that Jesus changed the Mosaic Law, this was the very purpose of His life. The Mosaic Law also teaches eye for an eye (after all so does Islam in a way) among other things. Those were for Jews only, and at that particular time. Old Testament=Law, New Testament=Love.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Its strange why God would make one law for a nation and change it for another . Amost as if He discovers its not working and can be improved etc. Thats very human. The bible does clearly say that God looked down on Earth and his heard weeped to see mans sins so he send his son. Again its like God didnt know He had created a monster (man) :) Quran says Gods law doesn't change and He doesn't make mistakes. Now to me thats more believable.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Those are good questions you are asking. Well God gave certain commandments, and promised that they are incomplete and that one will come one day and complete it. God did not make a mistake, humans did, and God showed mercy and became human to show us the way out of this. If Allah makes no mistake, why did he create men who chose to become apostates in their VAST majority? He didn't make a mistake, He simply gave humans a choice, and they chose.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 People becoming a apostate is a Mistake made by Allah? Well never said he made people incapable of becoming one. If you believe that then most certainly deep down u feel Jesus made that mistake too however I dont. I have noticed one thing, you keep saying that Muslims dont wnat to see Muslims dont to look in but it so much applies to you. have a closer look into our discussion.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith As for the devil card...I expected you to play that soon enough. Are you willing to assume that a being that radiates love, guides its followers to do nothing but good, heals the sick and casts out demons etc etc is from the devil? The Quran says over 10 times that Shaytan has no authority over believers. Well, when Holy Spirit turns Muslims into Christians in the blink of an eye etc etc I call that tremendous power and authority.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith So Jesus does miracles, and everything He promises in the Bible is true. Islam, on the other hand, has nothing but garbage to offer. Like Allah's name bruised into an apple, completely made-up scientifc prophecies etc etc. There are some Islamic exorcists as well, but their power cannot even compare to that of Christians. And listen to what those exorcists say, it's like comedy.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Allahs name on an apple is no scientific thing come on. Its just interesting like you will find it interesting to see Jesus written in nature. The scientfic stuff in the Quran. I dont take Exorcists very seriously as its found in every religion. I have seen Hindu and Jews do it. I believe in the power of the Christ, I believe he can raise the dead in the name of Allah.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Do take exorcisms seriously, they are the demonstration of God's power. Jesus and Holy Spirit hold all the power. You've seen Hindu excorcisms and Muslim ones. Let me ask you, how common are they? Healings? No. Those who do miracles in Jesus' name have the Holy Spirit as their guide. And their guide tells them that Jesus is Lord. He appears Himself some times.
If you don't care about that, what DO you care about? Prophecies? Again, they are miracles, and the Quran has none.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 In Islam they always heal. but my point is that every religion has this art. Allah responds to efforts goood effort or bad Allah brings out a result but it doesnt mean the effort is a part of his religion and acceptance. eg a hindu goes ton idol and asks for a child and he gets one, according to you Jesus would have given the child and not the idol.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith How and since when do they "always heal" in Islam?
"eg a hindu goes ton idol and asks for a child and he gets one, according to you Jesus would have given the child and not the idol."
I clearly never said that, nor did I say anything that indirectly indicates that, you misunderstood something.
The "answer" of Allah is yet another theory you came up with, stay away from them! Atheism is a theory that seemed flawless to me- it isn't. It's a scam. Holy Spirit will let you know!
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Atheist is not logical to me. It logical to the ones afraid of accountability.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith That reminds me, your username is "EvidenceFaith". What evidence are you refering to and where is it?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Evidence Faith means to have faith intellectually and not just blindly
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Don't give up on Jesus, He is Lord of all. When you call upon His name, you will be saved.
Remember that, forever.
Goodbye, peace and love
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Peace and blessings to you too brother. I will not give up on Allah, Jesus , Muhammad ever. Peace and love to you too. I will catch up with you. Its just that ive started a new company and too much work to do. BTW what do you do for a living
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Ah this debate is going on and on :) I would like to leave you in peace brother :)
I feel you are a decent and honourable fellow. I am humbled to you have not used bad words :) Just know that Muslims love Jesus, I can wash his feet and drink it because Allah chose him (in our faith) We worship who sent him and whom he prayed to. Muhammad is who revived the word of God after it was corrupted by man. May Allah be pleased with them both
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I stated the exact opposite, that it's peoples fault when they become apostates, not God's.
I fail to see, however, how I don't want to see something. I answered every question you asked me, if I forgot, paradon me and ask me again. I don't see where exactly I didn't wanna "see" or "look" and how this is evident in our discussion. Tell me and I will answer.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith "Now to me thats more believable."
To me, atheism and deism and Spinoza's God make sense, does that make them the truth? No. A Muslim came up to me and asked me why I'm Christian, I told him about all those miracles, and his faith in Islam started to fail him. He told me he was confused, but suddenly one day he said "God showed me the truth, Jesus is not the Son of God, that sounds wrong". (continued)
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
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EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Brother! do you also deny that Muhammad was from the generations of Abraham. That he is fom Ishmael ? or possible but not important?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Do you also feel that Muhammad's preachings that came several centuries after Christianity, long afer Hnduism, even Budism etc, took a rapid growth and in merely 28 generations 47 countries became Muslim states and it became the second largest religion on Earth is now at a decline?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I never stated that it is "at a decline". I merely stated that it clearly isn't the fastest growing religion, and that even if it is, it simply doesn't matter. Evil grows a million times faster than Christianity and Islam combined, does that make it good in any way?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Possible but not important.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
Awww how cute more name calling..
You destroyed what??? you didn't anything but name calling typical of someone with ill knowledge.
I don't care what the romans spoke, I know what they spoke. I'm talking about what JESUS SPOKE. The verse is not out of context because the pharasis that you say he was refering to did not worship jesus. so how could he be talking about them ??? whats your answer more name calling ??? lmaoooo.. plz
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
Muslims always come to the TRUE Jesus Christ!!
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1 Yes I agree and that Jesus is in the Quran... The true Jesus that is
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
Jesus is a Muslim... He prayed to God, He worshiped God, Obeyed the Commandments and taught his people to obey the Commandments.
Anyone worshiping Jesus, Is not worshiping the God Jesus himself worshiped.
God will not pray to himself, why did Jesus pray if he was the lord ??
Because he wasn't the lord, but a messenger sent to guide humanity to the lord.
The bible mentions that Jesus will reject those who prayed to him..
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam quiet!!!
Jesus is GOD!!!!
your quran is the CORUPTION of the true holy word. the qurans ISA is not a person but an ARGUMENT for the cause of Muhammad. Jesus teached to prey to God. Jesus is Human/God and so prayed to the Father.
YOU.....worship muhammad. YOU.....associate muhammad as partner of Allah. YOU.........kill for Muhammad.
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1
lol... quiet ?? why you getting mad at the truth ???
Don't spread your lies here.. Muslims don't worship Mohammad or Jesus peace be with them. Muslims worship the one and ONLY God.. Isa son of Mary is not an argument, he is the son of the blessed virgin, the sent messiah, the word of God and the spirit of God, but Jesus is not God or the son of God...
Jesus refered to himself in the bible as the son of man and also said God is not a MAN.
Get your facts straight, stop lieing
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam you obviously dont aggree with me because there is no Jesus in the quran....ISA is not even the arabic name for Jesus idiot
SECONDLY....quiet because i hate when a muhamadan picks ONE verse from the bible and makes up his own religion based on that 1 verse.
ALL YOU TUBERS LOOK AT THIS IDIOT. Jesus said 'God is not a man .... WHO SHOULD LIE!!! jesus was PROVING HIS WORD IS TRUE BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LIE, GOD DOES NOT LIE....JESUS IS GOD!!!!!! hahahahahahaaaaa muhamadan
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@soloscriptura1
Such a righteous christian with ya name calling, now I know I struck a nerve with ya... hahahahaha
Now back to the discussion.
Jesus didn't speak english, latin or greek . Now how do you know the real jesus again ??
The real jesus never authorized the bible actually he wont even understand the language of the bible since its not in his own language.
Jesus is God ????
Jesus said the father is GREATER then I... Oops maybe he lied once or twice huh
IchooseIslam 1 year ago
@IchooseIslam looooooooooooooooooll LOOK AT THE MUSLIM. look at the coward...not did i just destroy his knowledge of 1 verse he took out of context...he then runs onto the next one. COWARD!
the Father IS Greater. where is the lie....IDIOT !!!
FOOL...what did the romans speak in Jerusalem during the occupation. you think that no one would have understood the Romans. MUHAMADAN!!! go twist your own man made scripture!
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
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IchooseIslam 1 year ago
Thank you for sharing this video!God bless you!
Hans021220 1 year ago
yes yes yes Mohammed is dead and Jesus is Alive and he will be here on earth you will cry your eyes out those who left Islam never was Muslims they are just liers they didn't look deeply in Islam and don't know it
GrooveNinja 1 year ago
It's a drama theatrical like we look on television, especially the woman who has been the mother usually we can see her on theatrical television progams, next time when make theatrical on this media choose the actress who not famous actress, in order to the story like true
onotrasab1 1 year ago
this is really propaganda... almost all of these muslims4jesus videos .. all is "i tried to please allah" Allah (swt) makes it easy for us... always in these videos " a light came.. and said iam jesus the lord (astagfirullah), iam bla bla bla... all of these PROPAGANDA!.. if someone converted to Christianity OK, let him tell his/hers story but not making such videos of prophet Jesus (as).. total propaganda!.. wa salaama
Ali3Ibn3Irani 1 year ago
@Ali3Ibn3Irani - Salaam Brother, too many people don’t know that having faith intellectually is the faith that brings peace to the soul. People converting by seeing a light or a mere dream are unstable and might tomorrow see Kirishna and become Hindu. Although a Muslim can go Murdat too, this video does look like Propaganda. Wa salaam
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith A faith based on intellect is by far the least credible. Atheists base their faith on intellect, and so do many Christians. If you are willing to trust your intellect rather than prayer, and your brain rather than God, the problem is yours to deal with. I agree that some dream is not enough, but a physical interaction, a healing, a shock? It happens. Pray to God so that He may guide you. You intellect will take you nowhere. Atheists feel peace in their sould too. Or so they think.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 The reason why God gave intellect is so that we use it. Some use it for God and some against. Faith comes with belief and understanding. One cannot have full faith if his God says the Earth is flat, the faith will dangle at some level but reach a height. Atheists deep down are afraid, they too dont have the peace Im talking about.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Not all atheists are afraid, a lot of them are sure that there's no God and never ever worry about it at all. Why? Because intellect inevitably indicates there's no God. But that's a long discussion. I agree that a capricious God who punishes and rewards His beings makes absolutely no sense at all. If He is God, why did he make people, since as God He shouldn't have the need to, and why does He need worshipping? Is He an egomaniac?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith What I am trying to say is that intellect, when taken seriously, cannot be used FOR Allah. When it comes to Jesus Christ, faith means less than nothing for people can really meet Him and see His power.
The "peace" you're talking about was created BY Islam, and its recurrent threats of Hellfire. It's like it burned you and then in gave you a gel for the wounds, and you don't feel pain now.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I think I see where you're taking it...You're reffering to the "scientific miracles" of the Quran and the "errors" of the Bible. Don't fall for any of it, those "miracles" are a hoax started by one French man back in 1970. He said it first, and then all the fuss started. It is certain that the vast majority of "miracle prophecies" of the Quran were scientific facts or theories developed occassionaly even well over 1000 years before the Quran.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 ironically that French Man became Muslim because the Quran 1400 years ago stated that the Ramies;s body was not destroyed but protected by Allah, so that it can be an example to the world while the Bible said it was drowned and destroyed. Tbe body was found in 1898. That Frenchmen realized the Quran was right and the Bible wasn't . My friend the scientific method was developed byt the Muslims. First officel expdetion too etc etc . see wikipedia if u like
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith What I am stating is that the vast majorit of "prophecies" in the Quran are hoaxes. There's probably some right prophecies in there, but I don't see how they can't be of the devil.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
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EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Well u must quote the fasle prophecy then my friend. If its not from God then the prophet would not have succeeded. Even the Bible says that false prophets mission shall perish . Do you see that happened to Muhammad (pbuh) In 20 years he brought peace all over Arabia. His followers lived in pace through history, even during world war 1 and 2 . It was only after the cold war that Muslims became American target and have reacted. Tell me of any terror attach before cold attack plz
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
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@EvidenceFaith "If its not from God then the prophet would not have succeeded. Even the Bible says that false prophets mission shall perish."
The "fact" that if it's from God because it succeeded means nothing. George Bush Senior was a Freemason, but very much succeeded. The antichrist's predecessors all have succeeded and will continure to succeed. Again, you made a theory. Stop following theories, it is of no avail.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Is it really Arabs to blame for killing each other nowadays, when 1 out of 55 verses in the Quran commands Muslims to hurt, in one way or another, the non-believers? The Bible (NT) would never say that, neither would Jesus. I am not following false prophecy. I simply like to be sure which prophecy is or isn't false, rather than "guessing" my way to God and making theories. Theories are like butholes, we all have them, and they all stink. Disgusting but true :-P
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 So ur saving Msulims are killing for the last 1400 years :) why was Islam then tagged a terror religion only after 9/11 / cold war? we missed the verses ? My friend the verses in the Quran came after the 13 years of endless torture upon the noble prophet and his companions. The first verse came to fight the marching christian and jewish armies. Doesnt apply to every non Muslims :) No Non Muslims would have lived in Muhammads lands then :)
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith That's what Muslims told you, though. Others say that Muhammad wrote exactly what served him, even Aisha notices so in the Hadith, where she says "Your Allah is very eager to command that which you like" or sth like that.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Not heard that before but let me tell you one thing. Allah and Muhammad are one in purpose. Allah even got annoyed with the prophet in the Quran, that is when the prophet did something He didn't expect
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Hold on...In Wikipedia it says that he was mumiffied and preserved, and even talks about where he was taken. And watch this
watch?v=wfpnULtcLvA
Maurice Bucaille started the fuss with the "scientific evidence" and Muslims ever since make up outrageous miracle stories. They are desperate for miracles, and they find them because they like to. An atheist biologist once made up a story about quranic verses in human DNA, and everybody bought it and put it on his Muslim website.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 OK let us assume the french man is a mad man and forget him. How will you explain the Quran to describe the earths shape as the shape of an ostrith's Egg? How do u explain the Quran talking about the expanding universe. etc did you read the words in the Quran ? what do they mean ? Now do you know about the contirbution of Muslims in Science? It was later that The west took more interest and took it ahead especially in wepons. but not for long :) says the Noble prophet :P
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I knew that those scientific prophecies were somehow involved, they always are. Although Muslims don't know, in their vast majority, those facts that were "prophecized" were either facts or theories developed well over 1000 years before the Quran. And a lot of "prophecies" aren't even there. Zakir Naik says that the Quran prophecises that plants have two genders. The verse he mentioned didn't even indicate somehow that Muhammad knew that there were two genders.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 OK since ur bent upon stressing that the science in the Quran came from material even 1000 years back . OK then how come the Quran manage to choose the only ones that were correct? do u have any selection that turned false later? secondly can u tell me where before Islam was it written that the shape of th Earth is like the egg of an Ostrich. show where and id think over ur statement
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Even Wikipedia clearly states that the 3d century BCE it was a scientific given that the Earth was spherical, and 10 different ancient Greeks claimed so also. The Quran does not mention any ostrich, it just says "egg-shaped". I do not buy it for a second that the Quran doesn't have any mistakes- Muslims alwasy play hide and seek with translations when the Quran has a clear mistake. However, it could have been a lucky shot. Also, A spherical earth was a fact not a theory.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith What do you think about the video we're posting comments on? Are you sure it's a fraud? I know for sure that things like this happen everyday, they've happened to my family.
Or are you gonna make another guess again?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 NO i wont call this video a fraud. People can change. thats the beauty of free will really. Have you been looking into people reverting to Islam? May I also add that Islam is the most embraced religion and people who get into it change their lives and become pious. Its growing so fast that even the western celiberities are embracing it which is so hard at a time when Islam is targeted by the media.. but hey when Allah calls. none can hold back :)
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith For the 3d time you are paraphrazing Mulsim doctrine. By "most embraced" you mean "fastest growing", I suppose. It clearly isn't, according to Al-Jazeera 6 million Muslims become Christians because they have visions like this. According to other non-Christian sources, Christianity has 2.3 million converts each year whereas Islam has 0.8 million.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I don't understand what you mean by the beauty of free will. Yes I have seen a lot of Christian who became Muslims, they all bought a "scientific miracle" and converted. They never truly were Christians and naturaly they won't see Heaven. All Muslims who became Christians had a sudden vision=an indisputable theory. NO Muslim has ever had that, they all just fell for theories and so-called "prophecies" that really aren't even there.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith "Pious" is subjective, and I don't buy for a second that Muslims are more moral than Christians.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Yes you wont buy it as long as the son of TV remains the son of TV :D
One has to look out of the box which is all to hard at times I guess :) Hey how about u trust this one strange on Utube and look out of the box for once. Clear your mind and read the Quran, after all it came from the cousin of Jesus. And is the only other religious book that glorifies the Jesus and Mary. Allah says 'You reject it yet you dont see if it might be from your God' have a look
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith What box are you reffering to? TV? I couldn't care less about it. I have many many testimonies of people I know in person who came to Jesus because of a miracle. Muslims convert to Christianity because of visions, why? Because Jesus is Lord of all, perhaps? Probably.
From a Christian viewpoint, Islam is utter garbage, has nothing to do with God, and is completely anti-christ. I know all claims of "miracles" in the Quran, they are all fake.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Even if there is a real one, remember that Satan can also prophecise.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 One way to find out. Read the Quran. Do you have enough truth seeking element to do that brother?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith When Jesus appears to people in the blink of an eye and tells them to follow the Bible, I don't feel like I have to read the Quran. I already know what Muslims claim about the miracles, and I have read all the "miracle prophecies" that are supposed to intrigue me and prove Islam, they failed.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Brother what can I say now, I pray 5 times a day, I fast , am good to my wife, kids and parents. I do not worship a person but the one who created me and the universe. I worship whom Jesus used to pray to and to whom he cried our for help when he was on the cross. Trust me I lover my eyes before a woman even while livng in the west. But Jesus never came to me. He might be preparing hell fire me me then :)
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith But He loves you, and wants you back! Talk to Him, He is only one prayer away, if you mean it He can reply that very second if he wants!
"Heavenly Father, forgive me my sins. Jesus I believe that you are the only son of God, please save me, come into my heart, and take over my life. Amen."
That's it! After you say that prayer (like you mean it), talk to Him and thank Him for all the good things He's done. Worshipping the false God Allah will only stall you, but don't stop.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 How about I deeply summon the creator and ask Him to reply to me. And if its Jesus will he reply?
And will you be willing to make such a prayer too ? Tonight . And we share our experience in honesty. It is fair I believe
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Very good. Listen here friend...Whatever I am telling you is a result of what I know. However, I have not yet met God, I am on my way. There is no testimony of anyone ever stating that Allah spoke to him. However there are thousands of testimonies of Jesus speaking to people, and I know for sure that it happens, it`s happened to my family. The Quran clearly sattes that you cannot see Allah, nor hear Him until Judgement Day.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith What I do is say "Lord if Jesus is your Son, who was crucifies and ressurected, then in His name I ask you to reveal yourself to me". Talk to Him, you don't have to face Mecca, but if you feel like it, do it.
Do you really expect this to happen overnight? I'm sure it can, but very rarely. It can take up to a couple of years to meet God, whereas others meet Him in weeks.
Relax, stress doesn't belong to His Kingdom.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith There's a testimony of a Muslim about to commit suicide, he asked Allah to give him a sign of His existence. He did nothing at all. Then he prayed to the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses and Jesus appeared before him, and ever since this Mulsim dedicated his life to Jesus. He lives in the west now, he's a pretty famous preacher.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith There's no chance Allah will reply to you-don't even bother, there's no reason to. It has never happened in history, and even the Quran says it's downright impossible. He does however indiractly say that He answers people who seem to worship him the right way. It could be yet another mistranslation however. What do you have to lose?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24. Allah means 'THE ONE GOD' not a person or an idol. U will never find a Muslim who worships and doesn't have in mind that he is worshipping the God of Adam, Encho, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, David Moses etc . Muhammad is actually from the lineage of Abraham, same blood line. ALLAH is what we call GOD. I can expect a Hindu to call Allah a false God as Hindu wont believe in Abraham etc as sent by God. And you too say Muslims worship a false God ?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Do you think that Christians have the same opinion you have for them? Clearly according to Christian doctrine you worship the devil in one of his forms. It doesn't matter what he claims to be, only what he truly IS. We clearly do not believe that Allah is the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, although he surely says so. I can say that I am the Holy Spirit, and even right a huge book about it. Would you believe me if I didn't have anything to support it?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 It doesn't matter if Christians says we worship the Devil. What matters is who we say we call God. Tell me something , who do the Jews worhsip, is it Jesus or yet another false God?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Neither matters, what matter is what Allah IS, not what anyone calls Him. Jews worship Adonai, the Great "I am", the true God. However, if they do not accept His son's sacrifice, they will perish. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 The word is pronounced as Allahohim. Jews worship but you say He is the God but wont listen to as they have rejected His son . But you cannot say they worship a falst God Am I right?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith It doesn't really matter whether their God is the true one or not. Naturally they won't know Him, nor shall they ever see Heaven.
Jesus is, as I said, the Truth, the Way, and the Life, and they clearly reject Him. Jesus is God incarnate. If you reject Jesus, you reject God with Him.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith The Jews and the Christians surely believe that Muslims do not worship their God, and regard Muhammad as either a demon possesed man, a very vile and evil man, or just a loser.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 But sill you can you say that the Jew worship a false God?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Why does it even matter, Adonai is the true God, and Jesus is His Son. They only follow a part of what Adonai says, the old one, which is now rendered an abomination in a large part. Their religion contains nuggets of truth but it is false.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Just asking to understand that you do believe that people can worship a true God. but the the will go to Hell for a reason is another story. I have another Question. What if the Devil goes to the Jews and tells them to believe in Jesus as the son of God but stick to your old testament. will that make any differnce to theri fate?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith It isn't another story, salvation has to do with whether you know God or not. If Jews believed that Jesus is the Son of God, there is no reason to stick to the OT, I don't see why you're asking me these "what if" questions. Since the devil told them to do this, clearly they will go to Hell if they follow Him. It doesn't matter what you believe it's what you do. If they believe that He is the Son of God, why don't they follow Him? Even logically this is absurd.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 OK so its necessary to follow Jesus and not just believe he is the Son of God. The belief alone doenst matter.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I think that you're trying to dig a hole around all this and somehow conclude magically that Islam is the truth. It just isn't, no matter how much you distort it.
You must know Jesus, He can appear to you physically! Only then, by constantly having an intimate relationship with Him can you be certain. Yes belief alone clearly holds no weight.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 I understand some of my Questions done make sense to u but trust me they clarify my concepts about Christianity. And now I know that to get salvation one has to be a Good Christian and also believe in Jesus as the Son of God . I was told the belief of his Divinity is enough
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Oh, I'm so sorry then...I suspected that you were being dishonest.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith "Belief" and "faith" are just absurdities. I'd never believe that Jesus is the Son of God if He couldn't prove it somehow. I am waiting, it'll happen soon, I know people it happened to :-)
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Do not trust what Christian in general tell you, most of them don't know Jesus and will never see Heaven. Denominations are also of the devil.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24. OK that clears some stuff. I think after a person believes in Jesus one must make suer that the Bible carries the words of Jesus and not just mad made stuff. Where can I get the book that hold the actual words of Jesus in his language?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith The King James Version Bible is legitimate. Prayer, though, is that which is mandatory. Don't let Mulsims make you make up yet another theory about how "corrupted" the Bible is etc etc.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Im already Muslim :) U see Jesus spoke a language called Old Aramic which is extinct now. There is no Bible in that language which is important. I mean the Kind James Bible would be a translation of something that doesn't exist. That also accounts for the scientific errors in it otherwise being Muslims, I cannot accept Jesus can make a mistake. People compiling the bible 300 years after him however can. Does that make sense?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Well I think He also spoke ancient Greek. There are clearly no scientific errors in the Bible, it is FULL of allegory, you need Holy Spirit to guide you when you are reading it. It's all one prayer away!
The Quran also has scientific errors, but whenever Muslims have to face that they seem to alter the meaning of words, claiming that back then it had a different meaning, so technically, Muhammad's language is also extinct.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Jesus spoke Aramic only. So u say that the holy spirit require to under the science in the Bible and but a simple man made science book doesn't need that spirit. with this effect it interesting why the creator will make appear to some that he doesn't know his own creation. Errors in the Quran!! I yet yet to come across the scientific error in the Quran then. The first Quran is was written as the prophet spoke, he had 11 scribes. Its now in Istambul. No change of language yet.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith I don't understand this comment about science and the Holy Spirit, it has many grammatical errors, although your grammar in general is good. Just needed to clarify, the Bible has nothing to do with science. In reality, neither does the Quran, but Muslims surely like to think so. It is very good that you are curious my friend. Whatever you do though, be careful. Investigate, don't take Islam for granted, for I can almost guarantee that it is false. I will know for sure soon enough.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 To me science and maths is important. Its hard to disprove an event of history or the claim of hell or heaven in a book. but one can look into the science and maths in the book and see if that can be disproved. If so then the authenticity of that book can be doubted. Trust me I am very careful about religion :) I understand Jews call Jesus a false person and being a learned Rabi he made up a religion. Same u say about Muhammad. one has to apply logic equally on both sides.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith When it comes to the Bible, it has nothing to do with maths, it is the only thing that doesn't have to do with maths. Islam is completely, utterly incompatible with logic and common sense, Muslims don't like to see so, however.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Brother have you seen videos of Christians that turned to Islam? as I look into Muslims going into Christianity. getting to know both sides of the story clears away a few misconceptions.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Yes, that's the point. ALL Muslims who have converted to Christianity were pious Muslims who had powerful visions and shocks. Christians who became Muslims all did so because of "logic" or because of a "scientific proof" in the Quran. One of the dumbest, and certainly the deadliest mistake of their life if you ask me.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Logic is better than mere visions that even Hindus get Muslims too but the wise once know visions can be from the Devil too. Logic is the right way to go. Many have converted due to science just recently what about the previous 1400 years? was that due to science too? Bible states Earth is flat, 6000 years old, Sun revolves around Earth,its logically its enough to decide. Some cam wait for the European faced Jesus to appear in visions while he looked like an Arab/Jew Black hair
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Logic has nothing to do with God, He is omniscient, and His actions are incomprehensible. As I said and described earlier in a comment, a lot of Muslims boast about how their religion is compatible with science and logic. This is total garbage, it simply isn't. I already said that the Bible is full of allegory (Sun revolves around Earth? I'm sure it doesn't say that).
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 google this Geocentricism Bible. Bible actually says the earth has pillars that hold it tightly and the entire universe revolves around it.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Give me a verse, the Google search came up with nothing.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:10)
The sun, moon, and stars were created after the firm "foundation of the earth" was laid. (Gen. 1:9-18)
"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)
"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)
"Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world." (Jer. 10:12)
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith (cont.) He basically jumped to a conclusion overnight, and also decided that it was God's grace that lead him to it. In that sense, I can make up a much sweeter theory, that God showed me that He doesn't care about us, solely because it made sense to me. Don't merge God's will and your conclusions.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Thats it thats a very weak God who jumps to conclusions. The all knower should just know and remains persistant. Did you also know that in the Bible Allah created the universe and got tired and had to take a rest ? In Islam getting tired and losing energy is a creation of Allah and not his attribute. He never gets tired.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith The Bible is FULL of allegory, it doesn't mean what it says a lot of the time. It also says that it took Him 7 "days" to create everything, and we clearly know that the universe the way we know it didn't evolve into this in 7 days. Dinosaurs existed for hunderends of years, for instance. Jesus also tells his students to buy a sword, but He doesn't mean that. He means "be prepared".
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Brother. Since THE core cause of a holy book is to clarify who God is and what He wants, give me any one unambiguous verse of the Bible where Jesus say ‘I am God so worship me’ or similar straightforward statement, shouldn't be a verse where one has to guess what it ultimately signifies. I’m sure he must have said it during his 33 years. Im waiting for your reply :)
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith A lot of Muslims have told you that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say "I am the Son of God, worship me". It is true that He never says it. However, a lot of people call Him the Son of God and He doesn't say that He isn't. Since shirk (polytheism) is the most serious sin in Islam, I am sure He would wish to warn others about it.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Jesus in the not the only one called the son of God in the Bible there more more but Christains call them prophets. Thats not right.
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith The devil tells Jesus "If you're the Son of God, jump off this cliff, and God will protect you since you're His Son" Jesus says "no, because in the Old Testament God tells us not to endanger ourselves". He doesn't say "No, I'm not the Son of God". God (Adonai) speaks during the baptism of Jesus and says "This is my beloved Son, from whom I am pleased". Those are only a few examples, ask a Bible expert about it, he will clearly say something about it.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 Again you are ignoring that there are many more sons of God in the Bible so the ur statement above loses weight. Its important to know that Jesus himself hasn't claimed to be God and to be worshipped. What will you do when on the day of judgement he says u were to worship Adoni liek he did, what holy book will you show him to say where you got that concept from?
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Also, Pilate tells Jesus "So...YOU are the Son of God" to which Jesus replies "You said it". He clearly doesn't say no. If He was an apostle of Allah, He would know how dangerous shirk is, and it would clearly be the first thing He'd warn us about.
Jesus doesn't want you to worship Him, He only wants your love, and He wants you to accept Him as your Savior. He wants an intimate relationship with you, He loves you!
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 . Again. There are more people called the sons of God and no body objected. if this makes him the actual Son like i am to my dad then same logic must be apllied to the other sons of God in the Bible
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Jesus was born of a virgin, and was created by God so that He may save humanity. He had the most authority (i.e over evil spirits) any one had ever seen. He lead a sinless life and was perfect as a human. He died on the cross so that ours sins may be forgiven. This is how He is the Son of God and the Savior of humanity. You keep asking me to prove it somehow, why don't you ask Jesus ti prove it Hismelf?
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 I asked the one who sent Jesus and the answer is Islam
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago
@EvidenceFaith Hah, great. You are falling into the trap I warned you about a couple of comments ago. "How" did "the One" answer? But let me guess. He just didn't. He just thought so, and reached yet another verdict, and blamed it on God. "God told me so, He guided me". Did He appear, did you hear a voice? No.
It's funny how I was talking about exactly that a couple of comments ago...
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@athanasiadis24 No vision of God my friend. No body can perceive Allah. he is beyound perception. As far as the prophet coming to dreams, many many Muslims see prophet Muhammad but it doesnt become a point to argue over when hinds claim to see Gita and Christians see Christ, these could be mind games of the brain. we are then left with logic and comparison of the books for a rational exchange of view
EvidenceFaith 1 year ago