Christian Protesters at Mormon Hill Cumorah Pageant, 7/11/09 3 of 3

[TheTrollyoufear]

If atheist are so certain that Jesus and God are not real, then why do they feel the need to insult people that believe. When I see someone who is Hindi, or Muslim, or whatever the case may be, I don't look down on that person. I suppose it's an insecurity that they have somewhere deep within.

[Reasonwillwin]

How about you religious people grow up and leave this fairytale bullshit? Accept your mortality already you psychos.

[BrianTerrill]

@Reasonwillwin get out of here atheist no one wants to talk to you

[Reasonwillwin]

@BrianTerrill Well you just engaged a conversation with me bible mcfucker.

[feoysabroso]

hahaha, losers! get a life!

[rahkshi0k]

i can't tell whether to dislike this because of that man's protesting

or like this because just the fact this is funny

[majinish]

Feel free to edit the title and have it say "Protesters" instead of "Christian Protesters" since the guy isn't much of a Christian. And wow to the girl holding the "Ask me why you deserve Hell" sign. And old man, we repent of our sins. However, we do not need to repent for being members of Jesus Christ's church.

[MaryBeth321123]

god bless him if he soon becomes mute

[majinish]

"You don't need baptism" WRONG! John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

We members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints love God. We do choose the right. Does this guy actually call himself a christian? He doesn't have the attitude of one.

[TrickTrolan]

That fella needs to take all that hot air an get his butt up on a treadmill!! Judge ye not lest ye be judged yourself....he totally cotradicts himself by bein out there an yellin at the pageant goers. Anywhere the truth is being shown or taught you can count on the adversarys attendance also, it just strengthens my testimony of the church that much more!! Once u get past all the wind bags like that guy, the Pageant is def a sight to see an witness...an The Spirits presence is very strong!!!

[joeb0]

What this man tends to display is proverbs 14:29 ; 15:1 ;

I saw this guy last year at the HSBC arena at a Catholic event, it's impossible to talk to him, he's convinced that Universal Christians don't worship Jesus when in fact we do. Everything we do is in fact to have a greater relationship with Jesus and his body.

I pray that this man will one day embrace the Holy Spirit to be able to control his anger.

[xnadinex321]

i would like to go up to this man, if he's there next year. and ask him "sir, is this what you always do on your spare time?" or.. "so why did you get excommunicated from the church of ladder day saints?" because most of these protesters are just old mormons.

[SexyChild223]

i wuld sit their and laugh my ass off at his stupidity then leave

[THELDSLIFE]

What a good use of one's time!

[nocturanas]

Dood if something like this ever happend... ugh it would be soooo great. I would stand right in front of this guy and sit there and yell right back "I can yell louder then you, therefore my sentence is more important" and I would do it till he left.. hahahaha

[awolLDSasap]

And the Pharisees all stood around in fine clothes with self righteous attitudes condemning Jesus.

[1pt21jigawatt]

Is that guy professing to be Lord? I don't think my Lord is fat and obnoxious.

[montanamari]

wait, and this guy claims to be a Christian? do you really suppose Jesus Himself would act this way, or would He be loving and respectful of all of God's children???

[johnyjamie]

Do a study on Matt 23 and see how Jesus dealt with the religious people.

Also, just so you're aware, not everyone are God's children.

See John 8:44 or Romans 9:8 for example.

Not sure where you got the idea everyone is a child of God, but God didn't tell you that.

[ToBeSaltnLight]

I'm not defending what is happening in this video. I haven't even watched it yet. I'm only responding to your comment.  Jesus overturned the table at the temple and chased some of the merchants out with a reed. When he saw how they were cheating the people. My point is he wasn't very loving and respectful in that situation.

[bdplist]

"There is one crucial test of repentance. This is ABANDONMENT of the sin" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p.163. Also cited in Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual: Religion 231 and 232, p.40).

[bdplist]

I am starting to think that this Eternal progression thing does not really work it is just a bill of goods sold to the members

[thatjimguy]

I doubt anyone will know until they die. No one really knows for sure what is going to happen. We all have faith in what we hope is true.

[bdplist]

So you admit you are not progressing?

[thatjimguy]

I've been getting better. I don't sin as much as I used to since getting baptized. Hopefully, I'll quash it.

[bdplist]

WHY what is going to make the difference?

You SIN because you are by nature a SINNER not a "god" in embryo

You are a sinner in full bloom

[thatjimguy]

What does the theory of whether we are born out a sinner or not have to do with anything?

Do you really think God is going to judge us any kind of theory? Does he care whether or not we think that Jonah literally got swallowed up by a whale, or that Lamanites actually existed?

It's about how we treat ourselves and each other. Those are the teachings of Jesus and the only things that matter. The rest is just stuff that we babble and argue over.

[bdplist]

A Theory?

You are proof positive you sin because you can not help it even though you want to STOP

Even though mormonism says you MUST STOP

You can not

[thatjimguy]

"Go and sin no more."

As I mentioned before, Jesus said this. What does this mean to you? Did Jesus say this because he thought it was not possible? Or was he just pulling your leg?

[bdplist]

You must STOP ALL your SIN as you can NOT be saved in your sin Alma 11:37

when do you plan on stopping?

[bdplist]

When you sin ALL your previous SIN RETURNS, you MUST STOP ALL SIN!

D&C 82: 7 Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return

[bdplist]

2 Nephi 9:23-24 And he commandeth all men that they must repent, and be baptized in his name, having PERFECT faith in the Holy One of Israel, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God.

[thatjimguy]

At the same time, we talk of not having a perfect knowledge, because WITH a perfect knowledge, you do not have faith at all.

[bdplist]

Remember Gospel Principles says God does not let ANYONE who SINS live with him

[bdplist]

Moroni 10:32

Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you

Have you denied yourself of ALL ungodliness?

[thatjimguy]

Do you think Jesus would say, get rid of SOME ungodliness? You are nit picking.

[bdplist]

Keep working harder because IF you deny yourself of ALL ungodliness THEN is his grace sufficient for you

[thatjimguy]

so what then, do you think he meant by "Go and sin no more then?"

please just answer that question for me

[bdplist]

He meant "go & sin no more"

Have you stopped yet?

[thatjimguy]

If that's what he meant, what is your problem with it?

You think I should continue sinning?

[bdplist]

Of course NOT I am just wondering why you continue?

[thatjimguy]

because I fail from time to time

but when I die I can be perfected in Christ. It is not expected to be perfect against sin on my own.

I can however, be perfected within Christ.

Whether you believe it or not, the LDS do teach that.

[bdplist]

YOU MUST Triumph over SIN

"Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." (Spencer W. Kimball, Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 208)

[thatjimguy]

That is a book written by him as an Apostle. It is not considered Doctrine.

[bdplist]

Alma 11 is the STD WRKS

You still have not answered when are you going to STOP sinning?

[thatjimguy]

Let's read the entire thing shall we?

And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.

How can you get the kingdom of heaven? Through Jesus Christ! Only Jesus can save you from your sins. Do you see it now?

[bdplist]

That is NOT GOOD Enough

You can NOT be saved while in SIN

What are you some mormon SPLINTER GROUP?

Alma 11 "ye cannot be saved in your sins."

[johnyjamie]

You can be "perfect" right now in God's eyes if you repent from following a false gospel and trust Jesus. Believe what He says. His word, the Bible, is true.

Heb 10:14 says For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[thatjimguy]

Let's update

You said (unless you made a typo)

Jesus said BE not become perfect MT 5:48

I looked it up and see..

MT 5:48 "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (NIV)

as far as progress goes, it takes TIME. much more time than you asking once a day

[bdplist]

The point is that He was saying you are to BE present tense not become perfect.

As we have seen LDS "prophets" have said it is an achievable goal & since you are a god in embryo I was wondering how your Eternal progression is progressing

Have you done ALL?

Have you STOPPED sinning?

[thatjimguy]

Course not. Not exactly easy. If anything, gets harder.

[nauvoo123]

These Street preachers should learn to love one another instead of spreading hate.

[bdplist]

Has the "work of your Father" started yet?

"And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose foundation is the devil, THEN, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence. . ."

Book of Mormon 1 Nephi. 14:17

[thatjimguy]

"we enjoy our sin"

No.

"The reason we repent is because we cannot get it right"

Are you perfect? Are you past repentance of your sins?

"We dress up like Klingons."

Just plain trashy. If you are doing what you believe to be the work of God, why bring it down to the level of Jerry Springer?

[bdplist]

Are LDS perfect yet?

In a tract published by the LDS Church titled Repentance Brings Forgiveness:

"The forsaking of sin must be a permanent one. True repentance does not permit making the same mistake again"

LDS have a Impossible Gospel & do not have "TRUE REPENTANCE"

[thatjimguy]

No one is perfect. However, the idea of which you speak of here is about the long term deal.

You can't say I'm sorry, and do the same thing the next day.

I do not know about perfection, but I CAN tell you, through Jesus Chirst, I became better and forsaked my sins. Some of them returned, but only when I stopped praying and believing. Hopefully this time, I won't stop when things get rough.

[bdplist]

Then by definition it was not, as LDS theology defines it "TRUE REPENTANCE"

If you ever expect to be with Heavenly father you must STOP Sining!

Page 67 LDS Church manual Gospel Fundamentals "Our Father in heaven does not sin, and He does not allow people who sin to live with Him. To live with Him, we must repent of our sins. To repent means to feel sorry for our sins and STOP doing them."

[thatjimguy]

I'd hate to think he means, feel sorry for your sins and continue...

When Jesus saved the woman from being stoned, he said "Go and sin no more" Do you think he would have said that if it was not possible or expect that from us?

[bdplist]

Exactly "SIN NO MORE"

Have you stopped?

If not when do myou plan on stopping so you can progress?

[thatjimguy]

Are you having a problem with something Jesus said?

[bdplist]

Just wondering how your Eternal Progress is coming along.

Have you STOPPED Sinning yet?

[bdplist]

Have you TRIUMPHED OVER SIN yet?

"Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." (Spencer W. Kimball, Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 208)

[bdplist]

Jesus said BE not become perfect MT 5:48

"Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal."

Spencer W. Kimball, Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 208

When are you going to BE perfect?

[thatjimguy]

you might want to do a quick check on your scriptures

MT 5:48 "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (NIV)

Matthew 5:48

Perfection, as used in Scripture regarding everyday life, means maturity and completeness. We can certainly attain an increasing level of spiritual maturity, yet we cannot truly complete the process until changed into God—until our human nature has been totally changed.

[bdplist]

Thanks for again pointing out that LDS "prophets" such as Kimball & mormonism are once again at odds with the scriptures

"perfect MEANS to triumph over sin" S W Kimball MoF p 208

[thatjimguy]

Do you have a reply of how you botched up Matthew 5:48 yet?

[bdplist]

I think that was your so called prophets & your CES manuals

[bdplist]

How is your "eternal" progression progressing?

[bdplist]

ARE YOU SUPER YET?????

The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer W. Kimball p. 286: we are commanded to be supermen. Said the Lord, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt. 5:48) We are gods in embryo, and the Lord DEMANDS perfection of us.

[bdplist]

HAVE YOU DONE ALL YOU CAN DO?

2 Nephi 25:23 "...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."

What does the Book of Mormon mean by "all we can do? Can you honestly say you could not pray 1 more minute a day? You have done ALL you can do? Not 50% not even 99% but 100%?

[thatjimguy]

...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."

Yes, after all we can do, it is by the grace of God that we are saved. Do you really think that it meant being busy 24/7? Never stopping to take a bathroom break? That would be ultimate stress and make no sense what-so-ever.

You use attacks like this because you know they sound silly. You don;t have to be right, you just have to attack and SEEM right in the eyes of everyone else.

That is bearing false witness.

[bdplist]

Are you saved after:

ALL you can do?

or

after what Jesus has already done?

ANS______

[thatjimguy]

after what Jesus has done. He saved everyone with the atonement.

[bdplist]

SOME to EVERLASTING LIFE but some not to life

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[thatjimguy]

The funny part is they kept on saying "Jesus it the Savior", which is what the entire pageant was about.

[alaivani]

I wish I could hear your commentary! Make a video on that! :)