In so far as modern science cant explain or quantify what existed beyond the singlarity, moments before the big bang, the term 'god' is as archaic and useless as doing a rain dance and slitting the throat of a sacrificial victim to make it rain.Both are great examples of flawed thinking.
@bobbymurphy71 If someone uses the word 'God' to talk about the underlying processes of existence, they are already thinking about it wrongly. The word 'God' has so many bad and incorrect notions attached to it, that it cannot be rescued and repurposed to talk about something entirely different and modern; the word 'God' is culturally inferior.
While you can explain what goes on inside the sandbox universe we live in, you can't explain how reality came to be. Everything we know has a beginning and an end, but how could reality possibly "begin"? Since the idea of something starting from nothing doesn't make any sense, "God" in some form fills in that blank spot. Why do people say there isn't a "God"?
If the universe stops moving, time stops moving, and there will be no such thing as memory, past present and future because there would be no relativity. agree?
so all in all, i believe if we were just plain soul particle or something, we wouldnt need a brain system to make art appreciation "come true" . It's because we are somekind of organism that is in the "physical" world, or a world that is made up of "matter" and other forces that act on matter.
and variety because of a saying in bible something bout "God said let there be light and he felt satisfied/happy/good." So our God appreciates a good piece of art. and so do we. God hates evil, God loves love and gives love and expects love as thats his thing lol. Nobody likes bad art, well art is never bad or good just according to how its explained by individuals. any how, appreciation for art is also part of the brain function. i
yes we feel emotions and we can tell that we are feeling this emotion. and at the same time, we only feel emotions by release of hormones and other chemicals. omg so god does not exist because i can explain it with science! wrong. we are his thought personifed within a certain system called physics. yes everything is just dumb old spherical things called planets and stars, but variety is displayed when we look at universes as a whole. circle because of gravity and magnetism,
God knows how many galaxies there is and will be to the millionth of a second or timelessly and just how they look and will look. we are limited. and that is why need tools. as for the universe, this is just for show. this is the illusion that divides us and Godly dimension. have you seen god? me neither. but you can definately tell the sequence of experience you live through, coincedences are not mere coincedences. you are really narrow minded if you think no engineer is behind universe.
saigon: oh? If there is a god, he can come down and perform miracles and prove his existence, if he/she/it wants. It's obviously not impossible to prove that a god exists. Heard the expression "can't prove a negative?" Figure it out.
When I look through the comments, all I see are atheist arrogancebots. They like to look at galaxies and somehow think they've proven that there is no god. (Shh don't tell them it's impossible to disprove god, they like to think they know everything.)
If the creationists don't like it then they don't have to watch .. everyone has the right to their own opinion ..and we don't go around looking for religious vids and downrating them do we? ... lol ok maybe some of us do >.>
@whisper4132 Yeah I agree. I don't see why creationist votebots would downrate this video. And I don't think they're all over the place like some people believe.
life does exist else where but perhaps not in the same time frame that we exist in, remmber that time and space are infinite with no fixed points , we' re still exploring the shell of the big bang and perhaps we don t have the technology . those in authority would not allow us to know the full story until it comes kncking on our door . ready to meet any others from other places ... no we are kinda quite animal like and still possess anger and rage . one day though all will become clear .
I agree. Um... I think it would be like an Amoeba in a small pool of water looking out into our world and thinking it was alone. If it could do that of course.
Many scientists say that by mathematical chance in the visible universe alone there should be plenty of life. And that there is no reason that the universe has to stop where the visible universe stops because the expansion of the universe does not have to obey the light speedlimit.
I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
Or by a good stroke of luck your parents employed the electronic babysitters too much and as a result you found church to be nothing but boring, hence you never let in the poison that is religion.
As a result, by the time you grew old enough to care, you actually DID think critically and logically and the whole idea of God is utterly absurd to you.
Or if you were BLESSED, you started out in paragraph #2...sadly I started in paragraph #1...but made it to #2 :)
I actually always liked church, still do, despite my atheism. No sarcasm here at all; it's like being told a story every time you go (Though I don't go often.) What's more, it's a story you can really get into most of the time. I sometimes compare it to Ender's Game, and that's been one of my favorite novels since I first read it.
I almost feel we should keep churches around just so I don't have to keep paying to go the the movies when I want some entertainment.
With a distance of 320 million light-years and an apparent size of 2.5 arc-minutes, this barred spiral galaxy (NGC 4921) is ca. 460 thousand light-years (4.4*10^18 km or 2.7*10^18 miles) in diameter; that's about 4.6 times the diameter of our Milky Way.
That's my calculation based on Wikipedia. I hope I got it right.
I get an answer that is about half that. Take 2.5 and divide by 60. That gives you the angle in degrees. Now divide by 57.29578 to convert to radians. Now multiply by 320 million and get 233 thousand light-years.
You're right, I'm wrong. The diameter of NGC 4921 is 233,000 ly indeed. Starting with the right triangle, I should have bisected the 2.5 arc-minute angle (or alternatively not bisected the diameter).
I love the universe, don't you? If only more people could acknowledge it's beauty and origins, and enjoy all it's wonders with understanding. If only people weren't so damned stupid and stubborn. GO UNIVERSE! YOU CAN DO IT!
Wow, all we can do is look with awe at the beauty of the universe. One day man may be able to explore these wonders, for now however we must be content with speculation and wonder, and look with wonder i shall!!
This is fantastic. The sheer scale of the cosmos just blows me away. There is so much out there, so much more for us to see, explore and to learn. When i see these images i feel as though anything might be possible. Amazing, enlightening times lie ahead for mankind.
WOW --- This makes my head hurt...its beyond Imagination....Human Comprehension....wow, there's propably millions of different species all over the Universe.
Many a times I feel profoundly disappointed that of the hundreds of billions of galaxies out there, and the 200 billion stars in our own - all with their own orbiting planetary bodies - I will never in my lifetime get to see even beyond my puny solar system. In viewing such infinite vastness of potential for every kind of star system I know there must be life and civilizations somewhere out there, and what a damned shame I won't get to see them. :-(
Its far more likely that the Sol system has been observed and catalogued by space faring civilization for thousands perhaps millions of years.
Even nearby star systems are over a billion years older and that definitely leaves room for this part of the Milky Way to be highly populated and traveled.
It's probably understood to be unethical and dangerous to intervene in a pre space faring civilizations, especially one that is still absorbed tribal warfare and steeped in supernatural beliefs.
Tribal warfare and supernatural (superstitious) beliefs. Damn matt, I couldn't have said it better myself! Thankyou good sir.
However, I also think we could use some outside guidance seeing as (from my perspective) society seems to be getting stupider every day. Our entire monetary, social, legal, and political systems need major overhauls, and the people seem perpetually too dumb to realize this even when it's collapsing all around us.
Even though I'll probably be criticized, I believe there's probably been attempts.
There is one common similarity in all cultures and religions and that is visitors from the sky described as godlike and bestowing knowledge ad guidance, but the human mind is still too primitive to fully grasp the meaning and accept our place in the Universe.
Fear and greed continue to cloud any progress and until we too control these emotions that once helped us but now hurt us were doomed to repeat mistakes.
I also fear the Earth may be quarantined at the moment. I can make no sense of the fat that we've traveled to the moon basically run on a pocket calculator and on a rocket that hasn't changed in 1000s of yrs 40+ yrs ago.
Technology increases exponentially yet we are still barley past the Moon, why?
We should have colonized the moons of Jupiter and Saturn by now.
We should have probes traveling to nearby star systems, but we don't.
Either we are holding our selves back or something else is.
Ask a futurist, he/she'll tell you that sometimes a single invention or discovery is the precursor of major advancement in civilization.
For example, the electron microscope. The ability to see things at 2 000 000x magnification lead to a HUGE amount of discoveries and found many applications.
If space-travel is your dream, look up space elevators and carbon nanotubes. As soon as a space elevator is up and running, constructing a space ship would become inexpensive compared to today.
The universe is so fuckin huge!!! I love it. It amazes me when i see these kinda things.
So COOL!!! lol
Given there shear vastness of the universe, there has to be life out there. Hopefully it is intelligent life. It is possible that we are the most intelligent life in the universe, but that wouldn't be as fun as meeting a super advanced alien race.
"In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."" Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot, page 50.
Thanks FFreeThinker! The sense of wonder and awe never ceases whenever I get to see such amazing images.
All of the meaningless intolerance and petty human constraints on life and imagination fade away in the wake of the reality and beauty of the Universe.
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od dammit, I wish people would prioritize. We should spend money on the things we need, like food for those who starve, and only when everything on earth is good enough, then we can watch beautiful pictures.
Think of it this way. The human population, in the not too distant future, will be too numerous to be supported on just Earth. We need to spend more money on the space program to find other habitable planets, or ways to terraform dead planets for our species to survive. Otherwise we will just use all of Earth's resources, and then wither and go extinct.
Think of it this way. The technology is still lame, we know ~30 (I thinks that's the number) planets that are in, what looks like, liquid water zone. All those planets are so far, that even at light speed it would take years/decades/more?, not to mention the size of the ship you must have to transport at least one small country. My guess is that in the next 30 years we will have no light speed, no massive ships. We will have more humans.Drop some condoms over africa, that would actually help.
I will not deny the point that our capability to travel into deep space is woefully primitive to what we need for the future, but that is the point in giving the space program more money for research, eh?
I wouldn't give a time frame of 30 years either, as in the past 30 years, we have seen some of most brilliant advances in science. Stem cells, Hubble, exploration of Mars, the discovery of water-ice on Mars, and the use of ion-propulsion engines in space.
I would wager our technology is far more capable than what the general population is lead to believe.
It's a fact fission and fusion engines were developed in the '60's with thrust 100 to 1000x current chemical rocket and ion propulsion, where are they?
Why is there an artificial stagnantation of our space program, why?
"Why is there an artificial stagnantation of our space program, why?"
Money. The public doesn't understand the ratio of returns to spending in the space program, so it is easy for politicians to pretend they are saving money by starving the program. This includes cutting budgets for research into new propulsion systems.
We going extinct will have nothing to do with our numbers.
The only way we can go extinct would be because of a massive global catastrophy. Even then the race would most likely persist, although there would only be a handful left.
"I wish" talk gets you nowhere, and people starve mostly because of wars. We can't just put everything on hold until everyone on earth is "enlightened". Because progress is halted by people that don't want it, and would rather that many suffer so that their ideals are intact.
So don't you dare come here and say that people that look at the stars or don't directly contribute to feeding the hungry are in some way bad. To me it is a huge insult!
"Because progress is halted by people that don't want it". Sounds like something you would hear on FOX. Those africans, you know, they like to die, they don't want any help from us. We could help them create farms, but they prefer death from hunger, don't they?
I don't care where you would hear it too, don't try to make a straw man. The attempt is pathetic.
People ARE helping, but we shouldn't be a great big nanny watching over others. Why in the world do you think people are starving in the first place? Because their crop failed? NO. Its because of WARS! Now go cry to your mother about your lego's. Your kind of thinking makes me sick.
"spend money on the things we need, like food for those who starve"
That is a useless endeavor. As long as people have excess food they will have excess children. As long as they have more children than the food supply will support there will be starvation. Starvation is not a problem that can be "fixed." Furthermore the space programs make us a large amount of money compared to the money spent on them.
And, we cant live on this planet forever. Colonization is an ineffable consequence, if we want to outlive our sun. The sooner we develop space programs, then the greater our chance for survival.
Theoretically yes it will. Although having redundant locations for Homo sapiens is better than not having redundant locations for Homo sapiens. There is still risk of asteroids and whatever else. The more Homo sapiens in space the greater the chance for species survival; if some cataclysmic event destroys or greatly reduces life harboring ability on Earth.
Besides, the universe is a big place, why hang out in a tiny gravity well in the middle of nowhere?
I know of one good reason to hang out in a tiny gravity well in the middle of nowhere. It's safer. I can just imagine how much more radiation exposure we'd have closer towards the center of the galaxy. Not to mention all that space debris flinging around in there. :o)
Radiation exposure is a relatively easy problem to fix if a civilization wanted to achieve success in space and had resources. There's a whole lot of galaxy here in the Milky Way, and the distances are... astronomical. Space debris is a concern but it can be fixed given enough resources. Our species has decided, so far anyway, to not put any significant amount of resources into space habitation development.
Yes but life on earth can only live for another 500 million to a billion years. By then the sun will be far to bright and our poor blue dot will be far too hot. : ( it might not even be blue by then seeing as the water would boil away.
Personally i think we will drive ourselves extinct and take the rest of the life on earth with us in the next thousand years. I don't have much faith in mankind resolving its issues as history shows us every time we have a chance for greatness or progress, it usually falls flat, crushed by those afraid of change or those who want to maintain power/money. It' would be quite sad if an alien civilization found our planet and what a disaster this particular experiment of life was.
"i think we will drive ourselves extinct and take the rest of the life on earth with us in the next thousand years."
Actually I think the next 100 years are the most critical for our survival. We have reached a crossroads as a species. Either we follow the path of conservation and learn to take care of our environment or we go the way of the dinosaurs and make room for the next dominant family of organisms.
Within the next 1000 year hmm? You know, with the advancements in technology and such it may just save the day for us. I mean with the ever increasing advance in processing power and neuro networks we may reach a a point where we can map the mind and it upload back and forth, whole personalities into future virtual areas [le matrix style] then up load those into every advancing robotic forms [be they humanoid shaped or not].
This would allow us to break away from the frail organic eco cycle life is tied to and then we could truly begin to explore the universe as personalities. Maybe in a way this is evolutions next step is for us? To be able to upload the mind out of these restricted bio forms we currently dwell in?
Sounds like sci fi? I think not ... of course we'll have to have groups of people willing to break away from the religious dogma and 'oh but you're not human anymore' mantra pushed about.
good ..
gadionson1 1 month ago
In so far as modern science cant explain or quantify what existed beyond the singlarity, moments before the big bang, the term 'god' is as archaic and useless as doing a rain dance and slitting the throat of a sacrificial victim to make it rain.Both are great examples of flawed thinking.
bobbymurphy71 6 months ago
What would Jesus do? Apparently he would vote-bot YouTube videos.
derman077 7 months ago
I think there is a God, but our way of thinking about "God" is antique and wrong.
detailsandfacts 9 months ago
People say there isnt a god because THERE IS NO GOD.
bobbymurphy71 10 months ago
@bobbymurphy71 If someone uses the word 'God' to talk about the underlying processes of existence, they are already thinking about it wrongly. The word 'God' has so many bad and incorrect notions attached to it, that it cannot be rescued and repurposed to talk about something entirely different and modern; the word 'God' is culturally inferior.
asmodeusambrose 6 months ago
While you can explain what goes on inside the sandbox universe we live in, you can't explain how reality came to be. Everything we know has a beginning and an end, but how could reality possibly "begin"? Since the idea of something starting from nothing doesn't make any sense, "God" in some form fills in that blank spot. Why do people say there isn't a "God"?
BrokenDash4 11 months ago
@BrokenDash4 "Since the idea of something starting from nothing doesn't make any sense," Yet we know it happens.
None of quantum physics makes any sense, yet we know it happens.
9hello123 6 months ago
If the universe stops moving, time stops moving, and there will be no such thing as memory, past present and future because there would be no relativity. agree?
legitworker 1 year ago
so all in all, i believe if we were just plain soul particle or something, we wouldnt need a brain system to make art appreciation "come true" . It's because we are somekind of organism that is in the "physical" world, or a world that is made up of "matter" and other forces that act on matter.
This is how i link God and science.
legitworker 1 year ago
and variety because of a saying in bible something bout "God said let there be light and he felt satisfied/happy/good." So our God appreciates a good piece of art. and so do we. God hates evil, God loves love and gives love and expects love as thats his thing lol. Nobody likes bad art, well art is never bad or good just according to how its explained by individuals. any how, appreciation for art is also part of the brain function. i
legitworker 1 year ago
yes we feel emotions and we can tell that we are feeling this emotion. and at the same time, we only feel emotions by release of hormones and other chemicals. omg so god does not exist because i can explain it with science! wrong. we are his thought personifed within a certain system called physics. yes everything is just dumb old spherical things called planets and stars, but variety is displayed when we look at universes as a whole. circle because of gravity and magnetism,
legitworker 1 year ago
God knows how many galaxies there is and will be to the millionth of a second or timelessly and just how they look and will look. we are limited. and that is why need tools. as for the universe, this is just for show. this is the illusion that divides us and Godly dimension. have you seen god? me neither. but you can definately tell the sequence of experience you live through, coincedences are not mere coincedences. you are really narrow minded if you think no engineer is behind universe.
legitworker 1 year ago
saigon: oh? If there is a god, he can come down and perform miracles and prove his existence, if he/she/it wants. It's obviously not impossible to prove that a god exists. Heard the expression "can't prove a negative?" Figure it out.
MazeleyFanClub 1 year ago
When I look through the comments, all I see are atheist arrogancebots. They like to look at galaxies and somehow think they've proven that there is no god. (Shh don't tell them it's impossible to disprove god, they like to think they know everything.)
MazeleyFanClub 1 year ago
@MazeleyFanClub it's alo impossible to prove God
saigondj 1 year ago
What the heck are 'creationist votebots'?? :S
JorvikMatt 1 year ago
Phenomenal
Lifehost 1 year ago
If the creationists don't like it then they don't have to watch .. everyone has the right to their own opinion ..and we don't go around looking for religious vids and downrating them do we? ... lol ok maybe some of us do >.>
666DemonicAngel777 1 year ago
I feel like this creationist votebots thing is bullshit. There's only 89 downvotes. And there isn't really much for a creationist to object to here.
whisper4132 1 year ago
@whisper4132 Yeah I agree. I don't see why creationist votebots would downrate this video. And I don't think they're all over the place like some people believe.
Forlo12345 1 year ago
Creationist votebots? I find that extremely, disturbing! How sick can religion get?
Keep posting the science!
schmutzgreiffer 1 year ago
o noes the hubblecaust
Flinty88 1 year ago
is it just me or is space fuckn massive!
overr8ted2 1 year ago 8
@overr8ted2 neeeh... just you. lol
snuffying 1 year ago
stumbled barcelona
angelina281088 1 year ago
Wow!
Ikonakonei 1 year ago
awesome vid!
ItchyVeinz 2 years ago
stumbled.
HobbsMadness 2 years ago
aww he has a daughter now? thats sweet. i hope he comes back soon though
sweetsongman1 2 years ago
If the universe is constantly expanding,what is it displacing?
SteveSparx 2 years ago
it's displacing the space time which it creates as it expands
GatorHighlights2 2 years ago 2
you sure about that?
1imax111 2 years ago
As far as I remember that was the explanation I was given in astrophysics. Someone may explain it a little better than me, or correct me if I'm wrong.
Hard to get one's head around the concept though.
GatorHighlights2 2 years ago
Tough concept indeed.
1imax111 2 years ago
very fascinating video, 5 stars.
FreedomLiberty21 2 years ago
hey people..anyone know what music is playing in the background. itz beautiful..
c0ldfusi0n 2 years ago
The music was crated for the hubble documentary "Hubble, 15 years of discovery".
Its for sale on DVD and (at least the box I have) includes the original soundtrack.
It REALLY is worth buying, I've watched it so often and it gives me the chills every single time.
TehBlackFox 2 years ago
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I feel like God is showing me the contents of his black velvet
jewelery box.
xaraxen 2 years ago
god? what is that?
1imax111 2 years ago 23
God is that man made myth that people hold dear 500 years after it should have gone away!
AbelMagwitch73 2 years ago 29
well said AbelMagwitch73. This conjuration of the mind needs to be gone with.
defect530 2 years ago
god died november 24, 1859, it was a thrusday
Nibielari 2 years ago 5
more like people opened their eyes
bati555 1 year ago
life does exist else where but perhaps not in the same time frame that we exist in, remmber that time and space are infinite with no fixed points , we' re still exploring the shell of the big bang and perhaps we don t have the technology . those in authority would not allow us to know the full story until it comes kncking on our door . ready to meet any others from other places ... no we are kinda quite animal like and still possess anger and rage . one day though all will become clear .
ocht68 2 years ago 2
I am life itself all life in the universe is in Me,this is a realisation that I have had.
134being 2 years ago
How does Tony Danza fit into all this ?
ThermostatAgreeable 2 years ago
Great video! ☆☆☆☆☆
GetWellSoon911 2 years ago
to say there is 'definately no other life' is closed minded. we dont know.... but.......
omadon7 2 years ago
I agree. Um... I think it would be like an Amoeba in a small pool of water looking out into our world and thinking it was alone. If it could do that of course.
RyRyVids 2 years ago
yeah true. we dont even know exactly how big the universe is!
omadon7 2 years ago
Many scientists say that by mathematical chance in the visible universe alone there should be plenty of life. And that there is no reason that the universe has to stop where the visible universe stops because the expansion of the universe does not have to obey the light speedlimit.
jamyfromfin 2 years ago
oooo cool , its soo sexy !
LordLebu 2 years ago
I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
TheScienceFoundation 2 years ago
Does thid guy's voice remind anyone else of Terry Pratchett?
GriffinPilgrim 2 years ago
awesome
johnnyk2112 2 years ago
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why would u think we'll last the same time as our star(sun) remember how the dinos went extinct... we got till 2012 peeps lol
mjrcamba 2 years ago
You might as well give me your money and house then...
jezarius 2 years ago
2012 will be the day when god will officially die !
LordLebu 2 years ago
Let's hope so, because we have a lot of work to do.
RyRyVids 2 years ago
2012 is a year, not a day.
pxxner 2 years ago 2
then make it a year , damn it !
LordLebu 2 years ago
You rock, TTF! Have you tried the "Celestia" program suggested by Tfoot?
OneClownShoe 2 years ago
Is the music in the background by the band "Stars Of the Lid"?
musicforpeople 2 years ago
This guy speaking is far easier to understand then the other guy.
gomuti 2 years ago
i can't stand the other guy, i'd much prefer this guy!
meloveanna 2 years ago
agree although the other guy makes the podcast seem more authentic.
kimae247 2 years ago
great video. i love looking at hubble pics of deep space. the majesty of the universe is truly humbling.
gothatfunk 2 years ago 3
Thank you FFreeThinker!
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
"Well considering what we've done in the field of aerospace in the last 100 years I'm pretty sure 500 million will be enough time."
I dont think time will be a problem. More like resources and a limit to technology.
Scrag06 2 years ago
Love the vid, I was just getting my scope ready when I checked my subs. Now I'm totally stoked. thanks for posting friend.
Cheers, RL
RandyLayhea 2 years ago
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Very cool video.
Grymyrk 2 years ago
beautiful
boxant 2 years ago
amazing !!
woo2fly21 2 years ago
Wow God must be great to have created such things. lol Just kidding.
PuzzleBox83 2 years ago 6
lol
woo2fly21 2 years ago
Stunning... How can people get so caught up in the my god-your god-no god bull$h1t when there is so much more to see and think about....
Spuddydog 2 years ago 3
Childhood brainwashing runs deep in our minds. How can we escape it?
evolsteveve 2 years ago
By using our critical mental faculties just a little, tiny bit. Done.
zimmyis 2 years ago 3
Or by a good stroke of luck your parents employed the electronic babysitters too much and as a result you found church to be nothing but boring, hence you never let in the poison that is religion.
As a result, by the time you grew old enough to care, you actually DID think critically and logically and the whole idea of God is utterly absurd to you.
Or if you were BLESSED, you started out in paragraph #2...sadly I started in paragraph #1...but made it to #2 :)
tremedar 2 years ago
I actually always liked church, still do, despite my atheism. No sarcasm here at all; it's like being told a story every time you go (Though I don't go often.) What's more, it's a story you can really get into most of the time. I sometimes compare it to Ender's Game, and that's been one of my favorite novels since I first read it.
I almost feel we should keep churches around just so I don't have to keep paying to go the the movies when I want some entertainment.
ziggo3 2 years ago
Looks more like a rose than a jellyfish to me
Redshift21 2 years ago 2
how big is the giant nebula galaxy?
soulinite 2 years ago
With a distance of 320 million light-years and an apparent size of 2.5 arc-minutes, this barred spiral galaxy (NGC 4921) is ca. 460 thousand light-years (4.4*10^18 km or 2.7*10^18 miles) in diameter; that's about 4.6 times the diameter of our Milky Way.
That's my calculation based on Wikipedia. I hope I got it right.
leporidus 2 years ago
I get an answer that is about half that. Take 2.5 and divide by 60. That gives you the angle in degrees. Now divide by 57.29578 to convert to radians. Now multiply by 320 million and get 233 thousand light-years.
WarmWeatherGuy 2 years ago 2
Maybe you calculated the radius and I calculated the diameter? My starting point was:
diameter/2 = distance * sin(angle)
Of course the leg of this right-angled triangle is awfully long, the angle tiny, the angle is approximately its own sine.
Anyway, NGC 4921 is quite large, but it's also translucent. Makes me wonder how our Milky Way looks like from "above". :-)
leporidus 2 years ago
D'oh! (_8(O)
You're right, I'm wrong. The diameter of NGC 4921 is 233,000 ly indeed. Starting with the right triangle, I should have bisected the 2.5 arc-minute angle (or alternatively not bisected the diameter).
leporidus 2 years ago
It's frustrating to not know exactly whats out there other than random pictures of bright dots.
TheAndyLoraProgram 2 years ago 2
I used to think the star clusters orbiting other the most distant galaxies where even more distant galaxies.
DickJohnson3434 2 years ago
We definitely need a more uber space telescope already. That things like 15 years old...
Ormaaj 2 years ago 3
19 i think Ormaaj
jedaaa 2 years ago
yes galaxy is awesome
I always remenber the man in black ending with all those giants dinos
ganondorffromhell 2 years ago
I love the universe, don't you? If only more people could acknowledge it's beauty and origins, and enjoy all it's wonders with understanding. If only people weren't so damned stupid and stubborn. GO UNIVERSE! YOU CAN DO IT!
zimmyis 2 years ago 12
lol, agreed
freqmart 2 years ago 4
it seems people are more interested in pop idol or americas next top model zimmyis :(
jedaaa 2 years ago 4
Wow, all we can do is look with awe at the beauty of the universe. One day man may be able to explore these wonders, for now however we must be content with speculation and wonder, and look with wonder i shall!!
Smithyis1337 2 years ago
Wow thats so beautiful,the wonders of the universe...
UnrealSlayer92 2 years ago
This is fantastic. The sheer scale of the cosmos just blows me away. There is so much out there, so much more for us to see, explore and to learn. When i see these images i feel as though anything might be possible. Amazing, enlightening times lie ahead for mankind.
DeaconSwayne 2 years ago 2
popped a boner
specialmike140 2 years ago
WOW --- This makes my head hurt...its beyond Imagination....Human Comprehension....wow, there's propably millions of different species all over the Universe.
rextrek 2 years ago
nice pictures
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
These kind of imagery always makes me speechless. Amazing stuff.
wrongwayup 2 years ago 2
I love this stuff!!
Jeredin13 2 years ago 2
iveiwthetube....
I recon that's probably about one of the best posts I have read on here for a long time.
You never know, if the world government fcuk up enough then maybe they will be here sooner than you think....
Tomsolomon111 2 years ago 2
That is so awesome.
websnarf 2 years ago
Incredible.
Mackaframmalamma 2 years ago
Cool....Very cool.
boony68 2 years ago
Many a times I feel profoundly disappointed that of the hundreds of billions of galaxies out there, and the 200 billion stars in our own - all with their own orbiting planetary bodies - I will never in my lifetime get to see even beyond my puny solar system. In viewing such infinite vastness of potential for every kind of star system I know there must be life and civilizations somewhere out there, and what a damned shame I won't get to see them. :-(
mrdevious 2 years ago 14
You should however feel lucky to have lived in the generations where travel into the final frontier moved from fantasy to reality :)
VivekisV 2 years ago 4
"I know there must be . . .civilizations. . .out there, and what a damned shame I won't get to see them."
Those creatures could be very lucky they have not yet met man.
So far, modern human has not been able to cross paths with another creature (i.e. neanderthal) without fucking them up royally.
iviewthetube 2 years ago 5
Its far more likely that the Sol system has been observed and catalogued by space faring civilization for thousands perhaps millions of years.
Even nearby star systems are over a billion years older and that definitely leaves room for this part of the Milky Way to be highly populated and traveled.
It's probably understood to be unethical and dangerous to intervene in a pre space faring civilizations, especially one that is still absorbed tribal warfare and steeped in supernatural beliefs.
mattghtpa 2 years ago 3
Tribal warfare and supernatural (superstitious) beliefs. Damn matt, I couldn't have said it better myself! Thankyou good sir.
However, I also think we could use some outside guidance seeing as (from my perspective) society seems to be getting stupider every day. Our entire monetary, social, legal, and political systems need major overhauls, and the people seem perpetually too dumb to realize this even when it's collapsing all around us.
mrdevious 2 years ago 2
Even though I'll probably be criticized, I believe there's probably been attempts.
There is one common similarity in all cultures and religions and that is visitors from the sky described as godlike and bestowing knowledge ad guidance, but the human mind is still too primitive to fully grasp the meaning and accept our place in the Universe.
Fear and greed continue to cloud any progress and until we too control these emotions that once helped us but now hurt us were doomed to repeat mistakes.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
I also fear the Earth may be quarantined at the moment. I can make no sense of the fat that we've traveled to the moon basically run on a pocket calculator and on a rocket that hasn't changed in 1000s of yrs 40+ yrs ago.
Technology increases exponentially yet we are still barley past the Moon, why?
We should have colonized the moons of Jupiter and Saturn by now.
We should have probes traveling to nearby star systems, but we don't.
Either we are holding our selves back or something else is.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
Ask a futurist, he/she'll tell you that sometimes a single invention or discovery is the precursor of major advancement in civilization.
For example, the electron microscope. The ability to see things at 2 000 000x magnification lead to a HUGE amount of discoveries and found many applications.
If space-travel is your dream, look up space elevators and carbon nanotubes. As soon as a space elevator is up and running, constructing a space ship would become inexpensive compared to today.
jama463 2 years ago
we sent fat to the moon? cooool!
toxickness 2 years ago
sad eh
kwrzxm 2 years ago
Beautiful just beautiful!
Clearerer 2 years ago
How can Christians look at all this and say that all of this is all about Jesus saving man?
iviewthetube 2 years ago 11
narrowminded
franksaninocencio 2 years ago
just wonder, all the millions of civilizations just only that galaxy, with different ways of thoughts and customs . is amazing to think about it :)
quisqueyatv 2 years ago 2
The universe is so fuckin huge!!! I love it. It amazes me when i see these kinda things.
So COOL!!! lol
Given there shear vastness of the universe, there has to be life out there. Hopefully it is intelligent life. It is possible that we are the most intelligent life in the universe, but that wouldn't be as fun as meeting a super advanced alien race.
scott5878 2 years ago
I don't know why, but I find it insanely cool that there's a galaxy called The Coma Galaxy. XD
dynamiteruby 2 years ago
Awesome.
I'm now downloading the image of this galaxy to use as my new desktop background
ObakeOnna 2 years ago
Awesome! Thanks FfreeThinker!
deauvillimus 2 years ago
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. " ~ Carl Sagan
Thanks for this FFreeThinker
pjacobs51 2 years ago 3
"No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."
iviewthetube 2 years ago 2
Dawkins ;)
peteq1972 2 years ago
"In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."" Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot, page 50.
iviewthetube 2 years ago 7
That`s it, i saw Dawkins on here reading it, i`m buying the pale blue dot.
I just realized i got a telescope an 8" reflector, and i havn`t yet read Pale blue dot. *off to sort life out*
peteq1972 2 years ago
wow...
Makes you want to go out there and see these wonders for yourself
Sugerfly 2 years ago
Congratulations to Dr. J!
jgoemat 2 years ago
Spectacular.
cidvisions 2 years ago
Thanks FFreeThinker! The sense of wonder and awe never ceases whenever I get to see such amazing images.
All of the meaningless intolerance and petty human constraints on life and imagination fade away in the wake of the reality and beauty of the Universe.
5Stars!
mattghtpa 2 years ago
Amazing! Thanks
iDeist 2 years ago
Stunning pictures.
VaginalTsunami 2 years ago
lovly
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
How can this be if the universe is only 6000 years old???
tmcthree 2 years ago 2
6000 years? hehe some one got you, it seems like.
piratakamrata 2 years ago
The Universe is more than 13.7 billion years old, numbnuts!
rationalway 2 years ago
Nice troll, good sir.
int3rl0per 2 years ago
Please tell me this is sarcasm.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
od dammit, I wish people would prioritize. We should spend money on the things we need, like food for those who starve, and only when everything on earth is good enough, then we can watch beautiful pictures.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
Think of it this way. The human population, in the not too distant future, will be too numerous to be supported on just Earth. We need to spend more money on the space program to find other habitable planets, or ways to terraform dead planets for our species to survive. Otherwise we will just use all of Earth's resources, and then wither and go extinct.
leojsivad 2 years ago 3
Think of it this way. The technology is still lame, we know ~30 (I thinks that's the number) planets that are in, what looks like, liquid water zone. All those planets are so far, that even at light speed it would take years/decades/more?, not to mention the size of the ship you must have to transport at least one small country. My guess is that in the next 30 years we will have no light speed, no massive ships. We will have more humans.Drop some condoms over africa, that would actually help.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
I will not deny the point that our capability to travel into deep space is woefully primitive to what we need for the future, but that is the point in giving the space program more money for research, eh?
I wouldn't give a time frame of 30 years either, as in the past 30 years, we have seen some of most brilliant advances in science. Stem cells, Hubble, exploration of Mars, the discovery of water-ice on Mars, and the use of ion-propulsion engines in space.
leojsivad 2 years ago
I would wager our technology is far more capable than what the general population is lead to believe.
It's a fact fission and fusion engines were developed in the '60's with thrust 100 to 1000x current chemical rocket and ion propulsion, where are they?
Why is there an artificial stagnantation of our space program, why?
mattghtpa 2 years ago
"Why is there an artificial stagnantation of our space program, why?"
Money. The public doesn't understand the ratio of returns to spending in the space program, so it is easy for politicians to pretend they are saving money by starving the program. This includes cutting budgets for research into new propulsion systems.
cidvisions 2 years ago
Fortunately our current president ❤'s the space program and science.
iviewthetube 2 years ago 6
We going extinct will have nothing to do with our numbers.
The only way we can go extinct would be because of a massive global catastrophy. Even then the race would most likely persist, although there would only be a handful left.
halldbe 2 years ago
"I wish" talk gets you nowhere, and people starve mostly because of wars. We can't just put everything on hold until everyone on earth is "enlightened". Because progress is halted by people that don't want it, and would rather that many suffer so that their ideals are intact.
So don't you dare come here and say that people that look at the stars or don't directly contribute to feeding the hungry are in some way bad. To me it is a huge insult!
halldbe 2 years ago 2
halldbe:
"Because progress is halted by people that don't want it". Sounds like something you would hear on FOX. Those africans, you know, they like to die, they don't want any help from us. We could help them create farms, but they prefer death from hunger, don't they?
ArtypNk 2 years ago
I don't care where you would hear it too, don't try to make a straw man. The attempt is pathetic.
People ARE helping, but we shouldn't be a great big nanny watching over others. Why in the world do you think people are starving in the first place? Because their crop failed? NO. Its because of WARS! Now go cry to your mother about your lego's. Your kind of thinking makes me sick.
halldbe 2 years ago
Whatever... I think you are a douchebag.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
Oh the feelings mutual...
halldbe 2 years ago
Amen to that brother.
omegavalerius 2 years ago
"We should spend our money for those who starve."
Yes, but let us not forget that the space program also produces jobs which help keep people from starving.
The space program also promotes education which in turn helps us to learn methods on how to solve other world problems like starvation.
iviewthetube 2 years ago 4
Furthermore, stopping starvation without stopping overpopulation just worsens the problem.
fatmanprime 2 years ago
@ArtypNk
"spend money on the things we need, like food for those who starve"
That is a useless endeavor. As long as people have excess food they will have excess children. As long as they have more children than the food supply will support there will be starvation. Starvation is not a problem that can be "fixed." Furthermore the space programs make us a large amount of money compared to the money spent on them.
cidvisions 2 years ago 3
And, we cant live on this planet forever. Colonization is an ineffable consequence, if we want to outlive our sun. The sooner we develop space programs, then the greater our chance for survival.
poorkinghaggard 2 years ago
There's little point in trying to outlive our sun, though. We're much more likely to blow ourselves up.
Lpoolboy 2 years ago
Our sun will last for another 5 BILLION years. I think that gives us a little time to work on space travel.
cidvisions 2 years ago 2
Theoretically yes it will. Although having redundant locations for Homo sapiens is better than not having redundant locations for Homo sapiens. There is still risk of asteroids and whatever else. The more Homo sapiens in space the greater the chance for species survival; if some cataclysmic event destroys or greatly reduces life harboring ability on Earth.
Besides, the universe is a big place, why hang out in a tiny gravity well in the middle of nowhere?
Gerafix 2 years ago 2
I know of one good reason to hang out in a tiny gravity well in the middle of nowhere. It's safer. I can just imagine how much more radiation exposure we'd have closer towards the center of the galaxy. Not to mention all that space debris flinging around in there. :o)
DodecaDude 2 years ago
Radiation exposure is a relatively easy problem to fix if a civilization wanted to achieve success in space and had resources. There's a whole lot of galaxy here in the Milky Way, and the distances are... astronomical. Space debris is a concern but it can be fixed given enough resources. Our species has decided, so far anyway, to not put any significant amount of resources into space habitation development.
Gerafix 2 years ago
Yes but life on earth can only live for another 500 million to a billion years. By then the sun will be far to bright and our poor blue dot will be far too hot. : ( it might not even be blue by then seeing as the water would boil away.
atheelogos 2 years ago
"Yes but life on earth can only live for another 500 million to a billion years."
Well considering what we've done in the field of aerospace in the last 100 years I'm pretty sure 500 million will be enough time.
cidvisions 2 years ago
Personally i think we will drive ourselves extinct and take the rest of the life on earth with us in the next thousand years. I don't have much faith in mankind resolving its issues as history shows us every time we have a chance for greatness or progress, it usually falls flat, crushed by those afraid of change or those who want to maintain power/money. It' would be quite sad if an alien civilization found our planet and what a disaster this particular experiment of life was.
SplinterInYourEye 2 years ago
"i think we will drive ourselves extinct and take the rest of the life on earth with us in the next thousand years."
Actually I think the next 100 years are the most critical for our survival. We have reached a crossroads as a species. Either we follow the path of conservation and learn to take care of our environment or we go the way of the dinosaurs and make room for the next dominant family of organisms.
cidvisions 2 years ago 5
Within the next 1000 year hmm? You know, with the advancements in technology and such it may just save the day for us. I mean with the ever increasing advance in processing power and neuro networks we may reach a a point where we can map the mind and it upload back and forth, whole personalities into future virtual areas [le matrix style] then up load those into every advancing robotic forms [be they humanoid shaped or not].
PacalB 2 years ago
This would allow us to break away from the frail organic eco cycle life is tied to and then we could truly begin to explore the universe as personalities. Maybe in a way this is evolutions next step is for us? To be able to upload the mind out of these restricted bio forms we currently dwell in?
Sounds like sci fi? I think not ... of course we'll have to have groups of people willing to break away from the religious dogma and 'oh but you're not human anymore' mantra pushed about.
PacalB 2 years ago
"Well considering what we've done in the field of aerospace in the last 100 years I'm pretty sure 500 million will be enough time" I completely agree
atheelogos 2 years ago
anyone got a bitmap of that picture
jamminjago 2 years ago
Superb job done with H telescope.
videouzleg 2 years ago
amazing, beautiful, humbling....
tattooskin72 2 years ago 2
The pictures are incredible, I suffer a little anxiety when realizing just how huge our universe is.
Pleblian 2 years ago 8
Incredible!
realityseeker1984 2 years ago 3