i came face to face with a geisha in a very narrow street in gion at night ( guess she had a booking ) .She was in a taxi and i in was just 'overwhelmed 'to see a hugh white face within 1 mtr. Stunning but beautiful.
WTF! So not Geiko or Maiko. The walk is off, the kimono are disgraceful, and they would never make faces like that! Later in there are real ones but costumers REALLY make me feel mad and that my heiritage had been defaced.
Yes its tourist, a certain is the low quality on the kimono, but also the crest at the darari knot obi is missing... all maiko now a days wear and obi with the okiya crest on it.. even tho int he old days the maiko dident always wear a crested obi...
somethin else is the okobo, a maikos one does ont he top off her obobo have a extra layer off fabric or straw, since shes walking every day with them...
oh nothing would ever compair to meeting the real Elvis[if he was alive lol]but with Geisha and Meiko the look alikes are good and it saves the real ones from being harrased a lot of the maiko are bearly kids and having cameras shoved in front of them will be scary as hell for them these look alikes will be able to handle it more their paid for the tourests to flock around them and that so the real geishas and Mikos will feel less scared to walk the streets with out being stalked
I can also tell these are not geisha, possibly not even Japanese. Geisha don't stop and pose for the camera. A group of girls from China told me they paid for a service in Gion to be dressed in kimonos and made up as geisha. The girls were heavy set and much larger than the average Japanese. However, they were delighted that many tourists photographed them thinking they were real geisha.
@janetbear4556 in a way they use to get into their persona. But it's held in tradition now, before it used to illuminate their faces in dark candlelit rooms. Remember this started WWWAAAAYYYY before electricity.
@janetbear4556 Nope, because back then when there actually was no light, the geishas painted their face white so the reflection of the candles brightened up the geisha's face some more, so basically for light. So it became a tradition.
@raddchick57 actually the use of oshiroi did not start with geisha although the candle part is correct. Oshiroi was originally only used by persons meeting the emperor. The emperor would sit in a dark room behind a curtain (because no one could look at his face). Because the room was only lit by candle, the person seeing him would use oshiroi to aid the emperor to see his face clearly. It did become used by geisha and kabuki until very much after this.
They are not real maiko. Firts, geishas and maiko would never let tourists take a video or pictures of them(they don't even let a japanese photographer take artistic ppictures...). After, they are not able to walk properly with their zôri, and finally, as lot of people had already said it, the kimonos are low quality.
They are tourists. Of the maiko make a figure, and is an option walking the town. Please compare it with a kimono and the make of a genuine maiko of other videos.
@betonarchese i think the fake geisha miko are great ideas for the tourists the tourists want to see a geisha or miko and these actresses are their to pose or photos and that and it takes the hassel of the real Geishas who are allays being harrased bu tourists and held back from going to their work they dont need cameras and video cameras shoved in their face non stop and pepole pulling at them scaring them some of the mikos are very young and will feel scared
@freacls So taking a photo with a Elvis impersonator is better than a photo with Elvis? Fake is fake and you can't claim you took a photo with a Maiko if it is with a tourist. Most Maiko will stop for a photo if they aren't busy or late.
@betonarchese Oh damn okay. It's just hard to sort of the assholes of the internet from the ones that actually know what they're talking about. What kind of kimonos would be considered expensive, though?
@MaruchiSan You can just tell the dyeing isn't the best. After seeing so many I have learned what expensive Kimono looks like. Some of our $4000 kimonos were used on MTV's Paris Hilton show and they were really beautiful. We get them from her Aunt who owns a Kimono shop in Kyoto.
@betonarchese You don't know about Maiko's kimono. Maiko wear unfinished Kimono. In old time Maiko were 13 or 14 years old. So they must be taller. And Maiko's kimono
parts are piled by thread. So they look like slacked wear kimono. Not low quality. Study more!
@kaisermuto I showed this video to 2 Japanese Certified Kimono teachers and one showed it to an actual Maiko from Kyoto and they said the same things, 1. These are not real Maiko they are tourists dressed up (the Maiko doesn't know them and she knows all the Maiko in Kyoto) and 2. These kimono are the low quality ones used for tourist photos and dressing up. What expert opinions do you have? As far as needing to study, I think you are Otaku and never been to Japan. I am done here.
@betonarchese Almost you said correct. But we must hide dreamless fact for foreigners. Walking Maiko in the narrow street, it's nice. So it must be hidden for viewers. And real Maiko wears slacked unfinshed kimono really. I think you'd better hide the fact what you confessed for Kyoto. I'm not Otaku. I am 97 years old. (4649)
They're all very short women, Japanese people in general are not so staggeringly tall, so I believe you would be able to pull it off since the Kimono comes in only one size which is to fit all unless you're extremely tall.
Those 3 ladies are costuming tourists but at 3:22 and 4:17 are real Maiko. The quality of Kimono is obvious to tell as well as the way they walk. Real Geisha never roan around city with such 1:44 sloppy walk.
@kyotofukyotosi@kyotofukyotosi hehe notice when viewing the 3 henshin walking down a gion street, the 2 women forced to squeeze by a pole were snicklering at em
@kyotofukyotosi That's right! for us (foreign people) is not that obvious but if you have seen maikos before, you can see they walk with such class and care. I never thought it could be "fake" maikos in japan!
@attackofdameepits maikos don't, but depending on the area and the level of the geikos some do. I have seen some of the odori's on video and I would notice some of the geikos would have their lips fully painted. not all but some.
@kyotofukyotosi wow awsome im from uk and even i can tell the ones at the start are fake the real geishas or Maikos are always in a hurry and ushally come out in the evning but are very busy to stop if you get a heloo maybe from a real Geisha yould be very very lucky these fake geishas are purly for tourests but theiy do look very realistic and are pretty maybe their help take the pressure and hassel off the real Geishas that they get from tourists
And again the women in the beginning are not real!! They are tourists dressing up as maiko, though yes, it is still beautiful! But keep in mind that a love of videos claiming "geisha" are probably fake! Nice video to watch even though.
There is both Geisha and Maiko there, its easy to tell because of the colours of the collar/back of kimono. Did u know that each kimono cost 11,000 yen for the cheapest. I read the book and have seen the movie many times and enjoy it more each time!
More like $11,000, at LEAST, probably more. In Yen it would be more like 1,000,000-100,000,000. Yen are like pennies. And if you're referring to Memoirs of a Geisha, that cost was from the 1920s! Which is why it is WAY more today.
I once had a pair of Vivienne Westwood rocking horse shoes which most likely were inspired by okobo, and even though they were probably half the height of real okobo I had tripped over and fallen more times than I could count. If I wore a pair of oboko I might have lost a few teeth from falling on my face!
Yes, thewomen in the beginning are fake, for all the reasons that Fearthainn453 has listed. At least they are wearing "half-wigs" so that it looks like it is their real hair! That would be a dead giveaway that she is not a real maiko! Geiko/geisha however do wear wigs, so that is harder to tell if they are fake just by their hair!
yes you are right, two of them sold the mizuage already but it doesnt mean they are geishas
they have to wait (from months sometime a year) to become a geisha. its all deppend of the owner of the okiya and her older sister. They have to have another ceremony for that.
so the three of them are maiko
geisha use different obis (small one, like a cushion and not long as maiko)
Just to update your knowledge, selling the maiko's mizuage stopped awhile back and they don't do it anymore. That's just one of the traditions they droppped.
Oh and Maiko is plural for Maiko. Geisha is plural for Geisha. Samurai is plural for Samurai. Ninja is pluar for Ninja. You people drive me crazy. Please PLEASE go research before you comment here
I don't get why you go on about eri color when you have the long sleeves signifying a maiko (and a young woman) and the darari obi right there in front of you. The the red of a maiko's juban-eri, LESSENS as the 5 years pass, becoming almost white but for a patch of red at the back, signifying that she's becoming older, AS A MAIKO.
Please, go research more yourself. (It's okay to make mistakes, but tone this "know-it-all" attitude down a bit.)
If they were real, you'd see the crest of the okiya they each belonged to at the bottom of their darari obi. But these obi are fake darari for fake maiko, thus no crests. Their make up is that of senior maiko, and two have almost white juban eri (which is for seniors)yet their kanzashi and obi age are that of a beginner (There'd be nothing dangling on a senior's kanzashi, and the obi age would be tucked in the obi, being much less visible). It's okay for a henshin though, I've seen worse.
In one of my college classes, I found out that they stopped the tradition of selling their mizuage and now just have a special ceremony where they are promoted to Geisha status. ^__^
@DominoShadow First of all, no one has every given away a mizuage. Mizuage is not japanese for virginity; you "have" a mizuage. It is the name of the ceremony that happens. Second, the mizuage ceremony changed several decades back. It's a simple ceremony in which the maiko cuts her hair with the help of her okiya family. Third, maiko collars have a red based but are stiched over with white thread, so that when they are really senior their collars look totally white but you can still tell that..
@jojiojp Wrong. I apologise for being so blatant but you are unfortunately wrong. I was taught about Japanese history by a natively Japanese man. Everythign I know was taught to me by a 70 year old japanese man. So I apologise for being so blatant about this (I seriously do not mean to sound rude) but you are wrong and should research alittle bit more.
@DominoShadow you mean "blunt" not "blatant". May statement was about your *use* of the word mizuage. Your use of it merely means that you dont understand the direct translation of it. That's fine.
However, the rest of my statement is correct. The present mizuage ceremony isnt anything sexual. 70 means that this man was alive during that time when it did have a sexual component. However, unless he frequented some hanamachi, regular japanese wouldnt have known what was going on in them.
@DominoShadow ah! now re-reading my original comment I see how you might have been mistaken abt what i was trying to say: that what you "give" might have once been virginity but that the word mizuage refered to the ceremony where that happened and not the virginity itself.
abt your old man. There is a misconception amongst japanese that there is still sex going on during mizuage. It is often the first thing that parents want cleared up before the allow they allow their children to become maiko
@jojiojp Apprentice Geisha (maiko) always have a red collar. Signifying their virginity. As well as the split peach style hair. Geisha wear white collars. Geisha collars can be embroidered or not doesn't matter. That being said, I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me?
@DominoShadow sorry I was saying this in case you made your statement based on their collars. Lots of people get maiko and geiko mixed up because they expect maiko to have really red collars. But their collars are only really red (from the front ) when they are rather junior.after that they become so filled with embordery that they *look* white. then you can only really tell that they were red from the back. I hope that you take this opprotunity to urself learn more instead of dismissing ppl.
@jojiojp No no, I am well aware that the virginity part of it now is now longer in effect in most areas. Only 1 or 2 still continue. I wasn't dismissing your point, I just didn't communicate what I meant well enough.
maiko is a term exclusive only to the Kyoto and Nara hanamachi. Everywhere else they may be called and dress differently. Take the hangyoukou of Tokyo, for example.
I would love to be dressed up like a geisha *sighs dreamily* Those zori look so interesting...I wonder if it's more difficult to walk in them than stilletos....
@darkcharm23 Apparantly they are fairly easy once you get used to them. I was told you just need to be taught how to walk in them, rather then figure it out, and then it's easy after.
If they have a white collar that usually means they are geisha if they have a red it means they are a meiko. Pure red means a young meiko. When a maiko turn to a geisha she changes her collar to white.
Another way of identifying maiko and geisha is maiko wear long sleeved kimono and obi. And they have the "split peach" hairstyle. The back of there hair is in a kind of v with some red material pocking through to look like a womans private parts.
You are correct about everything except the final comment. Maiko can be found in any tea house. Why? Because you aren't a Geisha until you lose your Mizuage.
A geisha is full-fledged. A MAIKO is in training to be a Geisha. Saying they can only be found in Kyoto is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
To be honest, I'm getting quite sick of all these people who think they're such "geisha experts" when they've never even had formal training on Japanese culture. They just like to make other people who are curious but aren't elite know-it-alls feel bad about not having read everything about geisha on wikipedia.
because we all know how valid of a source wikipedia is. I'm will ya. Wikipedia is not (and probably won't be for a long time) a valid source. Thanks! :D
The word Maiko literally translates to "dancing child" (mai = dance, ko = child), but is also referred to as "dancing girl". A Maiko is an apprentice Geisha who must must undergo a period of training that generally takes 5 years, where she learns the various "gei" (arts) such as dancing, singing, music etc before she becomes a Geisha.
However,The word Geiko is another way of saying Geisha. It is predominately used by Geisha of the Kyoto districts.
Arnt their collar colors diferent or something like that? Maiko are red and Geiko are white. I dont really know for sure. But i wouldent say they look totaly different. they both wear the same kimon makeup and haristyles but i know wha tyou mean about the lofferent "Looks".
No, their makeup, kimono and hair ornaments are different. Maiko wear more colorful Kimono. Their makeup is also specific. Maiko's lips are never fully painted. Junior Maiko paint only part of the bottom lip. Both Junior and Senior Maiko use a lot of pink and red in their makeup. Geiko use softer, more natural tones in both their makeup and Kimonos. Obi's are also ties differently. Note there are also differences between Junior and senior Geiko.
those are maiko, becuase their collars are red and the fabric on their backs hangs down rather than being folded into a box-like form. just puttin that out there
the govenment of Japan still refuses to pay the fucking little money for the Korean women whom were used as sex-slave (Jungshide) and even deny the fact. Japanese govenment often annouced that these women were volunteerly joined the service. how fucking dickhead thinking is that !! fucking bastard.
Yes, I think too that the three at the beginning are just tourists dressed-up by one of the photo studios that does that (and I think there is one very close to the place they are at, on the shirakawa river).
It's a nice souvenir of Kyoto by the way, I recommend it for girls visiting the city.
I love japanese culture and kyoto is a very beautiful city and geishas are beautiful but I think they sound like horses walking up the street, sumimasenXD
you are too ignorant to see the beauty that is to be a geisha and the make-up used to express the art and skill that each geisha holds. pity on you :(
well, thats why culture has changed and know geishas are not as sex toys anymore but more of entretainers. And nowadays, they can become geishas by choice, not by force. so they aren't "play things" anymore. so youre still ignorant for not realizing that they arent play things anymore, and that they are only for company and entretainment and not sex.
are you just typing to see your own words? go play with your barbies and stop trollin me. as soon as your parents let you cross the street by yourself then come back and talk to me, until then hurry up and wait for puberty to hit
dont tell me your life story. i bet i even have more of a body than you have, so dont start with the puberty crap. and your the only little kid here not knowing about geisha culture nowadays.
You're wrong as well. A culture that treated women as play things? The United States was as guilty as that as Japan or any other country in the stage that Japan was.
China had forced prostitution, America forced prostitution, Russia forced prostitution during the war.
at least your comments were made to me without using insults - see kakashizlove; you can make conversation without hurling insults! who would have thunk!
Geisha were never playthings. Geisha were never used for sex, at least legit Geisha weren't. It's also a common mis-belief that Geisha were 'forced' into their position. There were some cases of children being sold to an Okiya, but more often then not daughters of Geisha would be trained to be Geisha.
(Geisha can retire, that explains the children part..)
i understand. i knew that. just explain that to the person i was replying! she was thinking that they were used as playthings and sex toys and other misconceptions! shes the one that didnt know that! grrr. ignorant ppl like her never understand how cultures change or how cultures even started!
often confused with protitutes because there are some protitutes that dress in kimono, etc, mostly western society confuse the two, they are completly different. Geisha are NOT protitutes
and often they drink with the guests in tranditional bars.they are taught to dance,sing, and a lot of em know how to place a type of instrument.they company mens party
This was filmed in 1999
ayabaya 4 days ago
What year was this?
これは何年動画ですか？
acumen321 4 days ago
why are two geiko wearing maiko kimono?
gothiquebelle 2 weeks ago
Overwrite the name, they are maikos not geishas
MishaaCaine 3 weeks ago
美しい・・・
と思ったけどこれ本物の舞妓さんじゃないの？
でも綺麗だね
aiwosakebeba 3 weeks ago
They aren't real. Their ears aren't covered with the makeup.
KimonoHire 1 month ago
cool
YrendenQ 1 month ago
i came face to face with a geisha in a very narrow street in gion at night ( guess she had a booking ) .She was in a taxi and i in was just 'overwhelmed 'to see a hugh white face within 1 mtr. Stunning but beautiful.
tripper 2007
1921Happy 2 months ago
本当の舞妓さんはお金を払ってはくれない通行人には微笑んでくれませんよ。仏頂面で通り過ぎるだけです。そして移動の基本はタクシーで、歩いて移動はしません。
kyuurinoshiyaha 2 months ago
@kyuurinoshiyaha 舞妓さんでも歩いての移動がほとんどですよ。確かに一緒には写真撮影してくれない場合がほとんどですけど、本人たちは撮影されることはかまわないそうです。まぁ、この動画は間違いなく変身舞妓ですけどね。
toyonakakun2 2 months ago
maiko wear red underneath
katieperez777 4 months ago
those juban are just SAD!
Theklamp 6 months ago
not in focus,clearity fair.
bigbenguam 6 months ago
I can watch 3:22 forever <3 I love the geisha-Japanese culture, the way the town was in that time, the gardens...
Myumeful 8 months ago
imagine if u run into these girls at the middle of the night, hiiiiiiiii...
DavidUPH 9 months ago
WTF! So not Geiko or Maiko. The walk is off, the kimono are disgraceful, and they would never make faces like that! Later in there are real ones but costumers REALLY make me feel mad and that my heiritage had been defaced.
monanoke48 10 months ago
Yes its tourist, a certain is the low quality on the kimono, but also the crest at the darari knot obi is missing... all maiko now a days wear and obi with the okiya crest on it.. even tho int he old days the maiko dident always wear a crested obi...
somethin else is the okobo, a maikos one does ont he top off her obobo have a extra layer off fabric or straw, since shes walking every day with them...
SauryGirl1 11 months ago
oh nothing would ever compair to meeting the real Elvis[if he was alive lol]but with Geisha and Meiko the look alikes are good and it saves the real ones from being harrased a lot of the maiko are bearly kids and having cameras shoved in front of them will be scary as hell for them these look alikes will be able to handle it more their paid for the tourests to flock around them and that so the real geishas and Mikos will feel less scared to walk the streets with out being stalked
freacls 1 year ago
Kyoto is so lovely, and quiet. havent been there, but i wish i could go.
ladyamerias 1 year ago
What's the difference between a maiko and a geisha??
bia95x23 1 year ago
@bia95x23 A maiko is a geisha in training. They usually where heavier make-up and more colors. Think of them almost as a geisha apprentice.
TootieLouLou11 1 year ago
the 1st thing i noticed is how low quality the kimonos are, except for those of the real geisha's
PinkSkiiTtLeZzYoanNa 1 year ago
"Kyoto Hanamachi 【京都 花街】" is the best movie about learning Geisha in English.
Let's search "Kyoto Hanamachi" .
oyanist 1 year ago
do mordern day maiko's and geisha's speak english? l want to learn 9 asian languages...
suichi98 1 year ago
The walk is not right...the steps are too big and not graceful
kotonagano 1 year ago 5
I can also tell these are not geisha, possibly not even Japanese. Geisha don't stop and pose for the camera. A group of girls from China told me they paid for a service in Gion to be dressed in kimonos and made up as geisha. The girls were heavy set and much larger than the average Japanese. However, they were delighted that many tourists photographed them thinking they were real geisha.
kelinyc 1 year ago
ايه العالم اللذيذه دول
احنا مش عايشيين يا رجاله
alwadmazica 1 year ago
como pueden caminar con esos zapatos
ROSITACARAMELO 1 year ago
i love Japan..was there in 91 and loved it..very nice people..i met a Geisha by the name of Osama Kato...
she was great...
onefugowie 1 year ago
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a geisha is actually a prostitute tho right?
smukase 1 year ago
@smukase Not really... They sell their skills, not their body - Memoirs of a geisha
FreakoChu 1 year ago 3
@FreakoChu i guess u have to be pretty hardcore to think that way, especially for a woman
smukase 1 year ago
Very nice... :-)
amybfriend 1 year ago
I wonder why the geisha must make up into the white face,is that because they don't want the customer see their true face??
janetbear4556 1 year ago
@janetbear4556 in a way they use to get into their persona. But it's held in tradition now, before it used to illuminate their faces in dark candlelit rooms. Remember this started WWWAAAAYYYY before electricity.
pincushionllama 1 year ago 2
@janetbear4556 Nope, because back then when there actually was no light, the geishas painted their face white so the reflection of the candles brightened up the geisha's face some more, so basically for light. So it became a tradition.
raddchick57 1 year ago 3
@raddchick57 actually the use of oshiroi did not start with geisha although the candle part is correct. Oshiroi was originally only used by persons meeting the emperor. The emperor would sit in a dark room behind a curtain (because no one could look at his face). Because the room was only lit by candle, the person seeing him would use oshiroi to aid the emperor to see his face clearly. It did become used by geisha and kabuki until very much after this.
jojiojp 1 year ago
本物の舞妓さんではありません。体験舞妓さんです。。。残念
matsutaichi 1 year ago 7
this is maiko tour, not real
cutiebarbie 1 year ago
yea not geisha they would be holding the kimono because its so much longer and the makeup is more nicer nice video though
funkeys101 1 year ago
They are not real maiko. Firts, geishas and maiko would never let tourists take a video or pictures of them(they don't even let a japanese photographer take artistic ppictures...). After, they are not able to walk properly with their zôri, and finally, as lot of people had already said it, the kimonos are low quality.
But they really are beautiful, whatever
0kyokyo0 1 year ago 3
muy lindas pero no son geishas son atracciones turisticas
fadelchi 1 year ago
i guess u can call this life imitating art? still you have to say very nice
Triaka 1 year ago
right they are imitating Maiko, I thought there was something wrong with their kimono and their make-up looks a little sloppy... :(
LaineyAnime 2 years ago 4
They are tourists. Of the maiko make a figure, and is an option walking the town. Please compare it with a kimono and the make of a genuine maiko of other videos.
porepore81 2 years ago 2
You are right. Maiko would never wear these low quality kimonos.
betonarchese 2 years ago 57
@betonarchese i think the fake geisha miko are great ideas for the tourists the tourists want to see a geisha or miko and these actresses are their to pose or photos and that and it takes the hassel of the real Geishas who are allays being harrased bu tourists and held back from going to their work they dont need cameras and video cameras shoved in their face non stop and pepole pulling at them scaring them some of the mikos are very young and will feel scared
freacls 1 year ago
@freacls So taking a photo with a Elvis impersonator is better than a photo with Elvis? Fake is fake and you can't claim you took a photo with a Maiko if it is with a tourist. Most Maiko will stop for a photo if they aren't busy or late.
betonarchese 1 year ago
also they dont stop for someone to film them, they usually walk around "gracefully scurrying" for their appointments at tea houses.
scarletteyes 9 months ago
@betonarchese How do you know they're "low quality"? Just because they don't have intricate patterns doesn't mean they're cheap.
MaruchiSan 3 months ago
@MaruchiSan Because my wife is a trained Kimono teacher and I sell Kimono. I own thousands of dollars of Kimono and I can tell cheap.
betonarchese 3 months ago
@betonarchese Oh damn okay. It's just hard to sort of the assholes of the internet from the ones that actually know what they're talking about. What kind of kimonos would be considered expensive, though?
MaruchiSan 3 months ago
@MaruchiSan You can just tell the dyeing isn't the best. After seeing so many I have learned what expensive Kimono looks like. Some of our $4000 kimonos were used on MTV's Paris Hilton show and they were really beautiful. We get them from her Aunt who owns a Kimono shop in Kyoto.
betonarchese 1 month ago
@betonarchese You don't know about Maiko's kimono. Maiko wear unfinished Kimono. In old time Maiko were 13 or 14 years old. So they must be taller. And Maiko's kimono
parts are piled by thread. So they look like slacked wear kimono. Not low quality. Study more!
kaisermuto 1 month ago in playlist ayabaya さんのその他の動画 3
@kaisermuto I showed this video to 2 Japanese Certified Kimono teachers and one showed it to an actual Maiko from Kyoto and they said the same things, 1. These are not real Maiko they are tourists dressed up (the Maiko doesn't know them and she knows all the Maiko in Kyoto) and 2. These kimono are the low quality ones used for tourist photos and dressing up. What expert opinions do you have? As far as needing to study, I think you are Otaku and never been to Japan. I am done here.
betonarchese 1 month ago
@betonarchese Almost you said correct. But we must hide dreamless fact for foreigners. Walking Maiko in the narrow street, it's nice. So it must be hidden for viewers. And real Maiko wears slacked unfinshed kimono really. I think you'd better hide the fact what you confessed for Kyoto. I'm not Otaku. I am 97 years old. (4649)
kaisermuto 1 month ago in playlist ayabaya さんのその他の動画 4
If I have money, I would buy a kimon and dress up like them but I will not wear the shoes. I won't be able to walk with those sandals.
udon890 2 years ago
i like how the geisha look but i think i could not pull off dressing like that im too short
kurox67 2 years ago
They're all very short women, Japanese people in general are not so staggeringly tall, so I believe you would be able to pull it off since the Kimono comes in only one size which is to fit all unless you're extremely tall.
nazbites 2 years ago
great!
mroteroa 2 years ago
You are infact correct, these three ladies are not real geisha.
vanitytears 2 years ago 3
I am from Kyoto...
Those 3 ladies are costuming tourists but at 3:22 and 4:17 are real Maiko. The quality of Kimono is obvious to tell as well as the way they walk. Real Geisha never roan around city with such 1:44 sloppy walk.
kyotofukyotosi 2 years ago 112
@kyotofukyotosi i couldn't agree more and im from america
funkeys101 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi hehe notice when viewing the 3 henshin walking down a gion street, the 2 women forced to squeeze by a pole were snicklering at em
pincushionllama 1 year ago
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@kyotofukyotosi @kyotofukyotosi hehe notice when viewing the 3 henshin walking down a gion street, the 2 women forced to squeeze by a pole were snicklering at em
pincushionllama 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi This is true.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi That's right! for us (foreign people) is not that obvious but if you have seen maikos before, you can see they walk with such class and care. I never thought it could be "fake" maikos in japan!
darklly21 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi
AND There is no Okiya Crest on the bottom of the obi of the tourists!!
attackofdameepits 1 year ago
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Nor do they ever paint their lips fully
attackofdameepits 1 year ago
@attackofdameepits maikos don't, but depending on the area and the level of the geikos some do. I have seen some of the odori's on video and I would notice some of the geikos would have their lips fully painted. not all but some.
DarkOnyx98 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi can tell by the makeup too. They don't do a full lip.
12northstar13 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi wow awsome im from uk and even i can tell the ones at the start are fake the real geishas or Maikos are always in a hurry and ushally come out in the evning but are very busy to stop if you get a heloo maybe from a real Geisha yould be very very lucky these fake geishas are purly for tourests but theiy do look very realistic and are pretty maybe their help take the pressure and hassel off the real Geishas that they get from tourists
freacls 1 year ago
@kyotofukyotosi Why would anyone try to impersonate geisha?
haiiyaa 10 months ago
@kyotofukyotosi You should allow your channel to become visible, I wish to be your friend.
Omniscientus 10 months ago
geisha scares me.... but i love japan!
heroxer 2 years ago
And again the women in the beginning are not real!! They are tourists dressing up as maiko, though yes, it is still beautiful! But keep in mind that a love of videos claiming "geisha" are probably fake! Nice video to watch even though.
AyilanaEien 2 years ago
if I walked past them i would be a little freaked ahh fatal frame status
but yeah there beautiful I would just not be used to it
jeliyful 2 years ago
these girls are maiko´s ,I can see that by the decorations in theyr hair,sandals and kimono´s
xxHartBrokenxx 2 years ago
There is both Geisha and Maiko there, its easy to tell because of the colours of the collar/back of kimono. Did u know that each kimono cost 11,000 yen for the cheapest. I read the book and have seen the movie many times and enjoy it more each time!
Ladygaga252 2 years ago
More like $11,000, at LEAST, probably more. In Yen it would be more like 1,000,000-100,000,000. Yen are like pennies. And if you're referring to Memoirs of a Geisha, that cost was from the 1920s! Which is why it is WAY more today.
AyilanaEien 2 years ago
I once had a pair of Vivienne Westwood rocking horse shoes which most likely were inspired by okobo, and even though they were probably half the height of real okobo I had tripped over and fallen more times than I could count. If I wore a pair of oboko I might have lost a few teeth from falling on my face!
garden0fgraves 2 years ago 4
all that zoom is offensive and pornographic
savagesamurai 2 years ago
wow O-O
razorage85 2 years ago
They are fake. They are not real geisha. They are tourists dressed as geisha.
tornados28 2 years ago 2
In the video appear 2 women dressed with kimono who don't seem to be geisha...( 2:37 )
My question is: Does japaneses still wear kimonos in ordinary life?
M91AlohaGirl 2 years ago
It's called yukata and people wear it on special occasions (like festivals)
Barbetka 2 years ago
god those geishas and thee kimono are sooo breathtaking and easy on the eye
residentevil808 2 years ago 2
Yes, thewomen in the beginning are fake, for all the reasons that Fearthainn453 has listed. At least they are wearing "half-wigs" so that it looks like it is their real hair! That would be a dead giveaway that she is not a real maiko! Geiko/geisha however do wear wigs, so that is harder to tell if they are fake just by their hair!
AyilanaEien 2 years ago
they are both geishas and maikos
maikos wear red collars while geishas wear white
imthegreenfaiiry 2 years ago
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what is the reason for wearing those shoes? And what is a Geisha anyways?
PlayTonicBubble 2 years ago
Quiero ir a Kyoto y conocer a las Geishas y vivir ahi, Crecer, tener Falilia y Morir!!!!!!!! ja ja creo que me exedi....
Mr7ser 2 years ago 3
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if they were maiko they would have a crest on their obi and their lips wouldn't be all painted like that.
xxxkimododragonxxx 2 years ago
That would be incredibly hard to learn how to walk in those shoes.
CelebrianoLorien 2 years ago 7
Unbelievable how they walk on those shoes. It gives them a sort of ellegance, those little steps.
TimmShizzle 2 years ago 7
there are so many posers pretending to be geisha
jesjenanddom 2 years ago 4
no, all of them are maiko
yes you are right, two of them sold the mizuage already but it doesnt mean they are geishas
they have to wait (from months sometime a year) to become a geisha. its all deppend of the owner of the okiya and her older sister. They have to have another ceremony for that.
so the three of them are maiko
geisha use different obis (small one, like a cushion and not long as maiko)
;)
Portuense72 2 years ago
Just to update your knowledge, selling the maiko's mizuage stopped awhile back and they don't do it anymore. That's just one of the traditions they droppped.
^__^
gothassassin14 2 years ago 5
they all are maikos
the wearing long obis
geishas wear short obis
also they are wearing tall zoris
geishas wear different kind of zoris
so
they are maikos and not geishas
and.... georginacostumes you are wrong
maiko are not only found in kyoto,
you can find maikos in every single tea house all over japan
Portuense72 2 years ago 5
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Only one of them is Maiko.
The other two have white collars which means they have already given away their mizuage. (Virginity)
Maiko will always have a red collar.
DominoShadow 2 years ago
Oh and Maiko is plural for Maiko. Geisha is plural for Geisha. Samurai is plural for Samurai. Ninja is pluar for Ninja. You people drive me crazy. Please PLEASE go research before you comment here
DominoShadow 2 years ago
I don't get why you go on about eri color when you have the long sleeves signifying a maiko (and a young woman) and the darari obi right there in front of you. The the red of a maiko's juban-eri, LESSENS as the 5 years pass, becoming almost white but for a patch of red at the back, signifying that she's becoming older, AS A MAIKO.
Please, go research more yourself. (It's okay to make mistakes, but tone this "know-it-all" attitude down a bit.)
Oh, and these are tourists, not real maiko.
Fearthainn453 2 years ago 6
Just out of curiosity.... how can you tell that they're tourists?
CelebrianoLorien 2 years ago
If they were real, you'd see the crest of the okiya they each belonged to at the bottom of their darari obi. But these obi are fake darari for fake maiko, thus no crests. Their make up is that of senior maiko, and two have almost white juban eri (which is for seniors)yet their kanzashi and obi age are that of a beginner (There'd be nothing dangling on a senior's kanzashi, and the obi age would be tucked in the obi, being much less visible). It's okay for a henshin though, I've seen worse.
Fearthainn453 2 years ago 2
In one of my college classes, I found out that they stopped the tradition of selling their mizuage and now just have a special ceremony where they are promoted to Geisha status. ^__^
gothassassin14 2 years ago 5
Mizuage is not practiced today. Please do some research before commenting such things.
GeikoWannabe 2 years ago 6
@DominoShadow First of all, no one has every given away a mizuage. Mizuage is not japanese for virginity; you "have" a mizuage. It is the name of the ceremony that happens. Second, the mizuage ceremony changed several decades back. It's a simple ceremony in which the maiko cuts her hair with the help of her okiya family. Third, maiko collars have a red based but are stiched over with white thread, so that when they are really senior their collars look totally white but you can still tell that..
jojiojp 1 year ago
@jojiojp Wrong. I apologise for being so blatant but you are unfortunately wrong. I was taught about Japanese history by a natively Japanese man. Everythign I know was taught to me by a 70 year old japanese man. So I apologise for being so blatant about this (I seriously do not mean to sound rude) but you are wrong and should research alittle bit more.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@DominoShadow you mean "blunt" not "blatant". May statement was about your *use* of the word mizuage. Your use of it merely means that you dont understand the direct translation of it. That's fine.
However, the rest of my statement is correct. The present mizuage ceremony isnt anything sexual. 70 means that this man was alive during that time when it did have a sexual component. However, unless he frequented some hanamachi, regular japanese wouldnt have known what was going on in them.
jojiojp 1 year ago
@DominoShadow ah! now re-reading my original comment I see how you might have been mistaken abt what i was trying to say: that what you "give" might have once been virginity but that the word mizuage refered to the ceremony where that happened and not the virginity itself.
abt your old man. There is a misconception amongst japanese that there is still sex going on during mizuage. It is often the first thing that parents want cleared up before the allow they allow their children to become maiko
jojiojp 1 year ago
@DominoShadow they are embrodered. Geiko have actually white collar without any embrodery on it.
jojiojp 1 year ago
@jojiojp Apprentice Geisha (maiko) always have a red collar. Signifying their virginity. As well as the split peach style hair. Geisha wear white collars. Geisha collars can be embroidered or not doesn't matter. That being said, I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me?
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@DominoShadow sorry I was saying this in case you made your statement based on their collars. Lots of people get maiko and geiko mixed up because they expect maiko to have really red collars. But their collars are only really red (from the front ) when they are rather junior.after that they become so filled with embordery that they *look* white. then you can only really tell that they were red from the back. I hope that you take this opprotunity to urself learn more instead of dismissing ppl.
jojiojp 1 year ago
@jojiojp I was never dismissing anyone. I legitimately was asking what you meant. And I know all this yes.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@jojiojp No no, I am well aware that the virginity part of it now is now longer in effect in most areas. Only 1 or 2 still continue. I wasn't dismissing your point, I just didn't communicate what I meant well enough.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@DominoShadow Ah, then I think there was general miscommunication (恥). sorry on my part as well
jojiojp 1 year ago
@jojiojp Haha no worries.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
@jojiojp Now NO longer* I apologise for that. And no I did mean blatant. But I meant blunt the second time. I was extremely tired.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
maiko is a term exclusive only to the Kyoto and Nara hanamachi. Everywhere else they may be called and dress differently. Take the hangyoukou of Tokyo, for example.
GeikoWannabe 2 years ago
they all are maiko.. they wear long sleaves .. geisha wears short
mimoh20 2 years ago
the one in that horrible yellow gold colour is only a Maiko, the other two are Geisha
knifewelder 2 years ago
i think everything looks pretty except the shoes. they just look bizarre to me. interesting.
tlv156 2 years ago
Ah I am so dissappointed you feel this way. Their shoes make them so much more elegant.
DominoShadow 2 years ago
I would love to be dressed up like a geisha *sighs dreamily* Those zori look so interesting...I wonder if it's more difficult to walk in them than stilletos....
darkcharm23 2 years ago
@darkcharm23 Apparantly they are fairly easy once you get used to them. I was told you just need to be taught how to walk in them, rather then figure it out, and then it's easy after.
DominoShadow 1 year ago
How confusedly they can be before the camera, but strangers are able to be amused after all in their whole life.
DzsikPa 2 years ago
so quiet and peaceful
funnytoni 2 years ago
all of them are maikos not geishas
skolitos 2 years ago
If they have a white collar that usually means they are geisha if they have a red it means they are a meiko. Pure red means a young meiko. When a maiko turn to a geisha she changes her collar to white.
Another way of identifying maiko and geisha is maiko wear long sleeved kimono and obi. And they have the "split peach" hairstyle. The back of there hair is in a kind of v with some red material pocking through to look like a womans private parts.
Maiko are only found in Kyoto.
georginascostumes 2 years ago
>>georginascostumes
Why are you so familiar and wiser about Kyoto & Maiko than me a Japanese?
Amazing!!
nuda0205 2 years ago
You are correct about everything except the final comment. Maiko can be found in any tea house. Why? Because you aren't a Geisha until you lose your Mizuage.
A geisha is full-fledged. A MAIKO is in training to be a Geisha. Saying they can only be found in Kyoto is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
DominoShadow 2 years ago
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Look how they flick their eyes up from the ground. So doll-like and elegant.
BellyWigg 2 years ago
To be honest, I'm getting quite sick of all these people who think they're such "geisha experts" when they've never even had formal training on Japanese culture. They just like to make other people who are curious but aren't elite know-it-alls feel bad about not having read everything about geisha on wikipedia.
SarahLee1 2 years ago 7
snicker.
shirahonda 2 years ago
because we all know how valid of a source wikipedia is. I'm will ya. Wikipedia is not (and probably won't be for a long time) a valid source. Thanks! :D
marim0y 2 years ago
*with... dang typos!
marim0y 2 years ago
How is it that people can't tell the difference between Maiko and Geiko? These are obviously Maiko. Maiko and Geiko look totally different.
Nejjidragon 2 years ago
The word Maiko literally translates to "dancing child" (mai = dance, ko = child), but is also referred to as "dancing girl". A Maiko is an apprentice Geisha who must must undergo a period of training that generally takes 5 years, where she learns the various "gei" (arts) such as dancing, singing, music etc before she becomes a Geisha.
However,The word Geiko is another way of saying Geisha. It is predominately used by Geisha of the Kyoto districts.
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poisonedspice 2 years ago
Arnt their collar colors diferent or something like that? Maiko are red and Geiko are white. I dont really know for sure. But i wouldent say they look totaly different. they both wear the same kimon makeup and haristyles but i know wha tyou mean about the lofferent "Looks".
shirahonda 2 years ago
No, their makeup, kimono and hair ornaments are different. Maiko wear more colorful Kimono. Their makeup is also specific. Maiko's lips are never fully painted. Junior Maiko paint only part of the bottom lip. Both Junior and Senior Maiko use a lot of pink and red in their makeup. Geiko use softer, more natural tones in both their makeup and Kimonos. Obi's are also ties differently. Note there are also differences between Junior and senior Geiko.
Nejjidragon 2 years ago 3
Their hana kanzashi is so beautiful in the wind!
And the sound of their okobo ( 2:00 ) is so soothing.
Hektotron 2 years ago
those are maiko, becuase their collars are red and the fabric on their backs hangs down rather than being folded into a box-like form. just puttin that out there
kasula17 2 years ago 5
Are you spying on them??
mommys18 2 years ago
kakashizlove is still crying? the only ignorant one would be you - insulting people on youtube to make your point is just sad
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago 2
From old age, It is said that Kyotos people
don't care money what clothing=Kimono and fasions.
Osakas people don't care money what eating delicious dishes.
ult7 2 years ago
Kyoto is truth minds area.
Dishes is too.
Tokyos dishes are out of questions.
Kyoto and Osakas are good and true taste.and true area.
ult7 2 years ago
geishas are so beautiful and interesting.
Memoirs of a Geisha is my favourite book ever.
Reva10835 2 years ago
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the govenment of Japan still refuses to pay the fucking little money for the Korean women whom were used as sex-slave (Jungshide) and even deny the fact. Japanese govenment often annouced that these women were volunteerly joined the service. how fucking dickhead thinking is that !! fucking bastard.
drahn1275 2 years ago
These are hensin and no maiko.
Look at their kanzashi they are like from a first year maiko but they have both painted lips like a second year maiko.
Their obi haven't got the sign of their okiya. THESE ARE NO MAIKO
Ichimomo101 2 years ago
Yes, I think too that the three at the beginning are just tourists dressed-up by one of the photo studios that does that (and I think there is one very close to the place they are at, on the shirakawa river).
It's a nice souvenir of Kyoto by the way, I recommend it for girls visiting the city.
alestane 2 years ago
Geisha's are absolutly Beaitfull :3 =D
Mousegirl913 2 years ago
I love japanese culture and kyoto is a very beautiful city and geishas are beautiful but I think they sound like horses walking up the street, sumimasenXD
moodyJUN 2 years ago
no they are NO japaneas prostitutes! they are actresses! they are not having sex with their clients! and the girls seen in this video, are maiko.
you can see it on teir kimono and obi.
mapferl 2 years ago
they seem so sad.
chickendec 2 years ago
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you'd be sad too if you had to wear ronald mcdonald makeup
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
you are too ignorant to see the beauty that is to be a geisha and the make-up used to express the art and skill that each geisha holds. pity on you :(
Kakashizlove 2 years ago
in a culture that treated women like play things... but i'm the ignorant one... nice try
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
well, thats why culture has changed and know geishas are not as sex toys anymore but more of entretainers. And nowadays, they can become geishas by choice, not by force. so they aren't "play things" anymore. so youre still ignorant for not realizing that they arent play things anymore, and that they are only for company and entretainment and not sex.
Kakashizlove 2 years ago
are you just typing to see your own words? go play with your barbies and stop trollin me. as soon as your parents let you cross the street by yourself then come back and talk to me, until then hurry up and wait for puberty to hit
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
dont tell me your life story. i bet i even have more of a body than you have, so dont start with the puberty crap. and your the only little kid here not knowing about geisha culture nowadays.
Kakashizlove 2 years ago
dont cry :D
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
you are entitled to "ASSHOLE"
khoihq 2 years ago
your dad beat me to it but thanks anyway
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
You're wrong as well. A culture that treated women as play things? The United States was as guilty as that as Japan or any other country in the stage that Japan was.
China had forced prostitution, America forced prostitution, Russia forced prostitution during the war.
"Comfort girls" They were called.
So don't judge one country by that.
Dridien 2 years ago 5
at least your comments were made to me without using insults - see kakashizlove; you can make conversation without hurling insults! who would have thunk!
KillerQueensRyche 2 years ago
Geisha were never playthings. Geisha were never used for sex, at least legit Geisha weren't. It's also a common mis-belief that Geisha were 'forced' into their position. There were some cases of children being sold to an Okiya, but more often then not daughters of Geisha would be trained to be Geisha.
(Geisha can retire, that explains the children part..)
Dridien 2 years ago 4
i understand. i knew that. just explain that to the person i was replying! she was thinking that they were used as playthings and sex toys and other misconceptions! shes the one that didnt know that! grrr. ignorant ppl like her never understand how cultures change or how cultures even started!
Kakashizlove 2 years ago
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i do not want to sound ignorant. what are geishas's exactly? are they japanese prostitutes?
chickendec 2 years ago
Geisha are artists, and entertainers
often confused with protitutes because there are some protitutes that dress in kimono, etc, mostly western society confuse the two, they are completly different. Geisha are NOT protitutes
BelladonnaHarker 2 years ago 5
*prostitutes
damn spell check
BelladonnaHarker 2 years ago 3
thanks for answering my question.
chickendec 2 years ago
and often they drink with the guests in tranditional bars.they are taught to dance,sing, and a lot of em know how to place a type of instrument.they company mens party
lisakawaii 2 years ago
what if they need to run..........god how uncomfortable is that
ntjain8 2 years ago
Don't geishas usually take smaller steps? It's been descriped to me that it's to make the rim of the kimono wave like... well, waves.
Someone2Follow 2 years ago
I wonder what they have in the backpacks?
stinkingdog101 2 years ago